So I got the 1209s (Runco DTV-1100) and I have a Lumagen Vision Pro HDP Video Processor. I would guess that I could get an HD Fury (1 or 2 ???) and that would get me into the Lumagen then the Lumagen into the 1209s. What is the difference in the HD Fury 1 and the HD Fury 2?

Question: Is this my only option or is there others available to me? Obviously I'm looking for the least costly with the most bang for the buck option. I would guess that the Lumagen would give me the low end gamma that I want to have to bump the low end and not have to get the Box 1020 or something of the sort. Admittedly I do not have have that much experience in working with the Lumagen since I bought a Moome card for the G70.

Any advise you all might want to offer to me in getting this baby up and running would be greatly appreciated. I've loved my G70's till I got this 9"er. Does anyone have any experience with this combo; the 1209s and the Lumagen Vision Pro HDP? Didn't mention that my model

Thanks,

Tom


BTW, got to see the Atlantis come back from Edwards AFB last evening in Cocoa Beach...WAY COOL!!!
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt30/shruck_album/ATLANTIS.jpg?t=1244064594

you are good with the Lumagen, get a HDFury1 because the Lumagen only offers RGB DVI output, you should be pretty pleased

with the Lumagen you can also dial back the contrast(video level) to tame some of the blooming the HDFury has

-Gary

you are good with the Lumagen, get a HDFury1 because the Lumagen only offers RGB DVI output, you should be pretty pleased

with the Lumagen you can also dial back the contrast(video level) to tame some of the blooming the HDFury has

-Gary

Gary,

Thanks for the info but I just need add to my original question that my Lumagen is a BNC only (input and output). I think I can do the HD Fury out of my Yamaha receiver which I'm using as an HDMI switcher. Then I could adapt the HD Fury 1 to the Lumagen then go into the 1209. Is this a correct chain or will I get problems with the HD Fury and the Yamaha? I would think this would work but wanted to make certain before purchasing anything, certainly don't want to waste any money.

Thanks,

Tom

Tom the HDP doesn't have DVI output?

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=hdp_details

-Gary

No actually it only has BNC connectors. Must have bought an older one but no DVI at all on it. My dumb headed move in buying this one but that was 4 yrs ago and I got it for a steal at the time.

well in that case I guess I would feed all my HD sources to something like a switcher or receiver and then feed that devices output to the HDFury2, then set the HDFury2 to RGB output and connect its RGBHV breakout cable to the Lumagen BNC input

you could also look for a DVDO VP30 or something like that, I think that would work much better

-Gart

Isthis (http://cgi.ebay.com/HDFURY-DVI-TO-BNC-RGB-CONVERTER-GREEN-EDITION-BN_W0QQitemZ370211748863QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_ 0?hash=item563256fbff&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A15|66%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|2 94%3A50)and acceptable solution to my quest to get an image from my 1209s? I have the adapters to and from this HD Fury.

I've heard that digital cables are to be kept as short as possible and analog lines can be the long runs. Is this true?

Hello HT

...and congrats on your 1209 purchase! ..not to mention joining the "dark" side!

As far as the HD Fury: I have a preference for the Moome devices...but the latest Moome ones are more expensive that the fury!

Here is the cool thing:

Even the first generation Moome DVI cards are better in build and PQ than the latest Fury and such...and you should have no problem picking them up for less than the Fury at Videogon or something. (If you do decide to do than make sure you get in touch with Moome to send you the latest version of the EDID chip thingie...that way there is no issues not recognizing and "handshaking" with the latest source devices!)


So if there is no DVI on your video processor you will need to do it with the BNCs...I am not familiar with the lumagen but I would think that they should have the option to add it on from the factory..so all you might need to do is find that DVI board and add it...I know it might be be harder than just buying a full video processor that already has it...but it is an option you might be able to work around!


As far as distances for cabling are concerned: you obviously want to keep it as short as possible and within specs when it comes to what is "suggested" in the BICSI manual!

https://www.bicsi.org/default.aspx

This is the body responsible for standards and such when it comes to telecommunications wiring and such.

If you go too far then you might need repeaters and other hardware to do it properly and not degrading the signal.

Bottom line is you want a clean signal/path!

Hope this was helpful

Feel free to ask us whatever other questions you might have and we or myself will try to answer to them to the best of our knowledge/capabilities.


Good luck and enjoy

Martin

Go with short analog cables and long digital cables, go to BlueJean cables and get their mid grade cables and you'll be fine. I use their 25' mid grade cables and they work perfect into a Moome unit.

I suggest monoprice for HDMI, get the thick stuff

also if you need a ubber high-end short RGBHV VGA breakout cable go to avcable.com

-Gary

I've got a G70 with a 1st Gen Moome card (obviously w/o gamma and such) but it is pretty much a no brainer to hookup any HDMI device feeding into the receiver then to the G70.

So say I get the Moome EXT-FULLHD and this box outputs a VGA signal. The Barco has a negative sync does it not? Had a BD800 some time ago and I think I remember having to deal with this issue. Is there something special I need to do before hooking this up to my Runco (1209s)? I certainly don't want to fry an input board or anything.

Thanks,

Tom

The sync polarities on the Moome cards are selectable.

The sync polarities on the Moome cards are selectable.
Excellent...Thanks Walter! I looked at the manual on this but didn't see it. I then looked at the EXT-FULLHD FAQ on Curts site and saw it.


(If you do decide to do than make sure you get in touch with Moome to send you the latest version of the EDID chip thingie...that way there is no issues not recognizing and "handshaking" with the latest source devices!)
What exactly is the issue with this? If I get a bad one does it not recognize the HDCP handshake? I don't think I've ever had an issue with my Moome Card in the G70?

I'm almost convinced that I should buy a Moome EXT-FULLHD box but this little box will cost 2/3 of what my projector did! I know "don't be cheap" you might say, but I'm doing this whole theater on the cheap and if there are 'minor' video issues between the HD Fury and the EXT-FULLHD box, I can live with those and maybe clean them up on the Lumagen??? Keep in mind, I'm going from an 8" G70 to a 9" 1209s...a big jump. Is the issue between the HD Fury and the Moome one where the Moome has better compatibility with the different movie cadences??? I really don't know so I thought I'd ask.

So IF the differences between the Moome and HD Fury are minor (I can fix Gamma with the Lumagen), then I would say the HD Fury is the way I would go. Just looking for opinions of those that have 9" pjs and an HD Fury. What do you think of it? Is it satisfactory? I know this is a subjective question but honestly I'm not the videophile that some are. I don't need the Nth degree of video quality...the $270 difference in price between the two is quite a bit!

I know I'm being cheap but I thought times are tight now and every dollar counts.

Thanks all for everything you have contributed to this post...

Tom

Tom

...Times are certainly tough and spending your hard earned cash on such things is certainly a luxury that a lot of folks can not afford at this time.

About the EDID chip on the earlier moome cards, it is just the old problem of a device being newer than the moome card and the moome not recognizing the latest and greatest devices...hence the need for the newer chip. (Again this is just something that might be needed if say you have a newer BD source that it can not find in its database!)

The fury will do the job and yes you can "fix" the gamma levels in the video processor!

My advice would be to get the better card that your budget allows...that way you don't end up with a fury and then have to buy the moome at some point down the line!

The moome card is certainly a better choice and yes it will cost more! ...and the reason for the cost is that it is a better thought out and made device! (...In my opinion at least!)

About the "subjective" question about these two devices:

You don't need to be a picky "videophile" to see/enjoy the quality differences between the two devices.

Coming from someone that has/had 9 inch CRTs ...and also have had both the cards mentioned above, let me say that I wish that I had chosen the moome one from the beginning! (It is just that much better!)

So if you think you will not miss something by getting the fury then go with that one...but do yourself a favor and see if you can have someone (...or someones!) from the forum be a pal and bring you both these cards (...or something!) that way you can see the difference(s) with your own eyes before deciding which way you wanna go.

I am in LA otherwise would have offered to let you "audition" them...(I have both!)

Feel free to ask and maybe someone will be able to help you make a more informed/experienced decision.

Also I/we will be more than happy to answer whatever else questions you may have. (...that is the beauty of this forum!)

A 9 inch Barco is a very nice projector and you should try and squeeze every last ounce/bit of performance out of it! (...without going overboard like a lot of folks here seem to do...and yes that includes me from time to time also!)

Good luck


Martin

Martin,
That is your opinion. I trust this test a little more.


William


PS: Oh, by the way, the first thing we did yesterday was a video shoot out, between the first version Moome HDMI 1.1 Marquee video input card, the current Moome HDMI 1.3 Marquee video input card, and the HD Fury II. A blend is the perfect instrument to conduct such a video shootout, as you can use one candidate in the left projector, and a second candidate in the right projector, and directly compare 2 separate candidates on the same image at exactly the same time. Having the highest bandwidth video chain (in a Home Theater) on the planet doesn't hurt either.

The results: the unmodded Moome HDMI 1.3 Marquee video input cards were the softest. My MP modded Moome HDMI 1.1 Marquee video input cards were slightly sharper. The unmodded HD Fury II was obviously the sharpest, and as an added bonus, displayed the more vibrant primary and secondary colors. Last night I ordered my own standard issue HD Fury II, from the Curt Palme website, of course.

My old primary video path had been HDMI (actually DVI) from the Blendzilla to the MP modded Moome HDMI 1.1 Marquee video input cards, with RGBHV analog as the backup. As soon as I receive my HD Fury II, my primary video path will be all HDMI sources fed to the HD Fury II, then RGBHV through the Blendzilla and on to the projectors. The all HDMI video path to the MP modded Mooome HDMI 1.1 Marqee video input cards will become the backup video path. Aren't leapfrogging technology improvements a wonderful thingee!!!

I will also add that Mark_A_W tested the Moome with his pj and CRT monitor and I believe was disappointed.

Eric

I don't have a Fury II. (...mine is the one from the previous generation).

The fury II could possibly be the be the sharpest with your chain..
...but then again with my equipment the HDMI Moome seems to have done a a lot better of a job than the precious generation Fury did!


The bototm line is that we all use pretty different setups with our video chains, not to mention all the tweaks, and that the differences DO have an impact on PQ.

I did say that this was my opinion based on what I had seen on my setup with my equipment.

I am sure than with a different chain the PQ could be totally different!

...I have had different setups on different pjs and overall to me the difference was worth the price! (It could just be the fact that I expect the higher price one to do a better job of it...then again I don't think I am that detached from reality! ...and what I have seen so far on my setups reinforces that!)

Tom try and audition/check both of them with your video chain and come to a conclusion!

Martin

Tom,

Congrats, I think you'll love the Barco 9". Setup is a breeze. Let me know if you need anything. Someday I'll get another 9.

Mike

Tom,

Congrats, I think you'll love the Barco 9". Setup is a breeze. Let me know if you need anything. Someday I'll get another 9.

Mike

But Mike...Mines only a wannabe...you had the Mack Daddy 9" in that DTV-1200! I'm just now getting back into the swing of things from being on vacation for a couple weeks in FL. Trying to get a signal to it for now and that's the reason for the question on the HD Fury vs the Moome. You fed yours with a VP30 didn't you?

BTW, I took the pic I posted. I can't believe that NASA would fly that thing as close to the ground as they did just for PR. Don't get me wrong, I loved it and I thought it was an incredible experience to see it and so did my 8 year old daughter which I was very surprised about.

Martin,
That is your opinion. I trust this test a little more.



I will also add that Mark_A_W tested the Moome with his pj and CRT monitor and I believe was disappointed.

That was a Moome ISS HDMI card.

From what I have read the new Moome cards may be a lot better.....and a lot more expensive...

I still feel that a decent analogue signal path is just as good, a HD-Fury was no better. The limitations are inside the projector, not the cables.

Although, as I said, I haven't seen the latest Moome stuff.