My brother has a DMR-E80H DVD recorder by Panasonic and absolutely loves it. Unfortunately after 4 years of steady use and THOUSANDS of discs later it is starting to burn coaster after coaster unless he burns in the FR mode.

I have the Panasonic DMR-EH75VS which he likes but not as much as his E-80H. Both are long discontinued. He really liked the perfect frame by frame editing on the hard drive that Panasonic offered (I tried a Polaroid and an RCA and neither would edit less than a half second or so)

Since Panasonic decided to leave the DVD/HDD-Recorder market he would like to get a new one. Do you have any suggestions on what to get him? It needs to have that level of editing that Panny offered. Unfortunately it looks like there are so few brands with a HDD now that I fear that there is nothing out there.

Hi

I used to own a Panasonic E80H myself til May 2006, when Bestbuy said it wasn't repairable, for a while i couldn't find a replacement hard drive model and dvd recorder like the one i used to have, til in February 2008 I bought the Philips 3576 HDD/DVD Recorder model from Walmart. Feature wise it has Editing like my old Panasonic, Good Quality Disc Recordings, Maganbox i believe has a Clone like it a Walmart if the Philips 3576H is no longer available there. Others may chime in and offer other suggestions as well later on

may wanna read wajo's detailed info on the Phillips and Mangavox models in the sticky thread at the top for more info, and determine if either machine meets your brothers needs

My brother has a DMR-E80H DVD recorder by Panasonic and absolutely loves it. Unfortunately after 4 years of steady use and THOUSANDS of discs later it is starting to burn coaster after coaster unless he burns in the FR mode.

Intermittent read, write and finalizing failures are common indicators that the DVD Drive's rubber hub atop the spindle (turntable) is dirty or has oily residue. With a DMR-E80H the cleaning procedure takes perhaps thirty minutes using isopropyl rubbing alcohol and a cotton swab.

Information concerning the lens and rubber hub cleaning procedures, including photos, is found in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14479898#post14479898

Due to the DVD Drive and case design the cleaning procedure requires somewhat more disassembly in 2005 and older Panasonics. Photos showing the black plastic DVD Drive used in 2005 and older models, including the DMR-E80H, are found in this post in the same thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15045566#post15045566

It is very important to follow the instructions and heed the cautions found in those posts.

This "editing on the frame" obsession makes more people miserable than practically any other feature/drawback of DVD recording:rolleyes:. Aside from your brothers ancient Panasonic and a handful of old Toshibas that were often more trouble than they were worth to maintain, NO dvd recorders have explicitly offered "true" to-the-frame editing. Why? Because it takes the software and horsepower of a PC to do, and most recorder mfrs were not about to sink that much money into their recorders. Its easier and cheaper to program the recorder to force edits to the nearest half-second key frame compatible with DVD playback standards. The old Toshibas were equipped with the software and CPU to handle the task like a PC and were priced accordingly, but all other recorders fudge it somewhat, including your brothers Panasonic. He isn't really getting exactly the frame he wants, but the recorder is hitting close enough that he doesn't notice the difference.

Some recorders will not even try, they are limited to half-second accuracy. Others, like some Panasonics and all Pioneers, will give you the choice of either guaranteeing the edit on the half-second, or fudging it as close as the recorder can manage and still stay within the DVD-R spec. Members here with more experience on the Phillips/Magnavox units can advise you on whether your brother would find them acceptable. My experience with Pioneers is if you select the "frame accurate" prompt in the edit window, it will more often than not carry over very closely from HDD to the finalized high-speed DVDR and should be satisfactory. Unfortunately Pioneer went under last month and the machines are getting harder to find (try eBay for Canadian dealers). Perhaps a new Panasonic Global model EH-67 or EH-68 would also do: AVS member ChurchAVGuy has one, and should be able to tell you how accurate its edit points are. These special Panasonic import models are still available new from a few USA dealers. But keep in mind all DVD/HDD units are fast disappearing from North America, and all except the Phillips/Magnavox are pre-ATSC so your brother would need to add an external ATSC tuner or cable or satellite to record TV programs.

If he really likes his E80H ('03 model year) and doesn't want to try the do-it-yourself spindle cleaning(which really isn't that hard once you've got the hang of it) for $130 he could send his DVDR into Panasonic for the $130 flat rate repair (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14451738#post14451738). That offer includes all parts and labor as well as shipping it back to you. It's really an incredible deal. Personally if he's really used to his Panny I don't think he'd be satisfied with anything else.
If he can do without the tuner the EH-67 (http://www.world-import.com/dmr-eh67.htm) Citibear mentioned would be a good alternative. If the rumor is true and the EH-68 (http://www.world-import.com/Panasonic_dmr-eh68_320GB_HDD_DVD_Recorder.htm) is based on the EZ platform, I'd really stay clear of it. The EH-67 is based on the ES platform which has proven much more stable.

I am a long-time user of the Toshiba RD-XS series of recorders and creating seamless, edited-to-the-extreme titles on the Toshibas is no problem. For example, if you have video consisting of closeups of a person's face mixed with other scenes, you can create a title consisting only of the person's face. You have to be able to set frame-by-frame chapter marks to delineate areas of video between the closeups which will be discarded. I set a chapter mark on the first frame the person's face shows on the screen and on the last frame before it disappears from the screen. I create thumbnails of the chapters so I can see them, delete every other one, then recombine the remaining chapters into a seamless whole. When played back on the HDD, the title consists of a slideshow of only the person's face. Now if I dub the title to DVD-R, the frames shift a bit and you will see a bit of garbage in between 'seams'. But if I dub to DVD-RAM the title stays seamlessly intact, even if I dub back to HDD.

I've been playing with a Magnavox 2160A the last couple of days and no way it can do this. No matter how finely you try to cut out sequences, garbage always shows up. Plus it's very tedious editing on the Maggie: the forward and back buttons aren't very responsive and precise, you have to edit in a small screen, and there is a chapter divide box in the way. As far as I can tell, on the Phillips 3756 you create chapter divides and delete those, whereas on the Maggie you do a scene delete and select start and end points. Either way, you can't cut it as fine as frame-to-frame.

It would be nice if the Toshiba had a feature where, in one fell swoop, you can delete every other thumbnail, recombine the remaining ones, and seal the chapter divides into a seamless whole, specifying whether to start with the first thumbnail or the 2nd one, but I think I'm getting greedy here :D.

Archiving titles created this way on the Toshiba can get expensive, since you have to archive on DVD-RAM, but I don't do this very often. The frame editing of the Toshibas are so precise, you can dub the 'shifted' stuff on DVD-R to HDD and re-edit out the garbage again! So maybe it can edit by the half-frame.

I've been playing with a Magnavox 2160A the last couple of days and no way it can do this. No matter how finely you try to cut out sequences, garbage always shows up. Plus it's very tedious editing on the Maggie: the forward and back buttons aren't very responsive and precise, you have to edit in a small screen, and there is a chapter divide box in the way. As far as I can tell, on the Phillips 3756 you create chapter divides and delete those, whereas on the Maggie you do a scene delete and select start and end points. Either way, you can't cut it as fine as frame-to-frame.Both 3576 and 2160 do Scene Deletes in the same way, as described here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298466#Edit6)

The "forward" and "back" buttons for editing can be REW/FF and NEXT/PREV buttons? You can't get any more precise than moving frame-by-frame with the NEXT/PREV buttons AFTER pressing PAUSE, also as described in the above link in the *asterisk note:

*In PLAY mode: FF/REW for fast play... NEXT/PREV for Chapter move... SKIP/REPLAY for preset move... PAUSE for frame-stop.
In PAUSE mode: FF/REW for slow play... NEXT/PREV for single-frame move... PLAY to get out of PAUSE mode.

Edit accuracy is not precise, moving up to 14 frames with a high-speed dub but dead-on with a real-time dub. I always dub in high-speed and my edit points seem to always turn out later than the point I select, so I try to make edits on or before 1st and last black frames of a fade, when available.

wajo and others mention an important secondary factor which Battra92's brother may want to consider: high-speed dubbing to DVD-R vs "real-time" dubbing. Highspeed dubs copy the exact digital recording on the hard drive to a DVD in about 9-18 minutes with no quality loss. Because it is copying the actual "bits", to the narrowly-defined DVD format, and at high speed, the recorder cannot tweak the edit points to the exact frame: some will default to the closest half-second, others will try to get within a frame or two, but its rarely 100% perfect. If you choose the "real-time" option, the recorder dubs from HDD to DVD at the actual running time of the movie or TV programs. Real-time dubs involve a complete re-encode of the hard drive data, resulting in a slight overall quality loss, but allowing edit points to be perfectly on the frame with most recorders (because the recorder has time and opportunity to tweak and rencode the edit point). Six of one, half dozen of the other: choose the compromise you like better, depending on the capabilities of your recorder. Another option, per Clevor, is to use DVD-RAM discs instead of DVD-R: the different format retains frame-accurate edits easily during high-speed lossless dubs.

If he really likes his E80H ('03 model year) and doesn't want to try the do-it-yourself spindle cleaning(which really isn't that hard once you've got the hang of it) for $130 he could send his DVDR into Panasonic for the $130 flat rate repair (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14451738#post14451738). That offer includes all parts and labor as well as shipping it back to you. It's really an incredible deal. Personally if he's really used to his Panny I don't think he'd be satisfied with anything else.
If he can do without the tuner the EH-67 (http://www.world-import.com/dmr-eh67.htm) Citibear mentioned would be a good alternative. If the rumor is true and the EH-68 (http://www.world-import.com/Panasonic_dmr-eh68_320GB_HDD_DVD_Recorder.htm) is based on the EZ platform, I'd really stay clear of it. The EH-67 is based on the ES platform which has proven much more stable.

I have the same problem.

I have 2 Panasonic systems(1 DMR-E85 120 GB and 1 DMR-EH55 200 GB system) both record on the HDD fine but won't let me play dvds or dub to dvd. One gives me a u99 error the other u88 error. The 200 GB is worst it won't even let me set up a timer to record on HDD i have to record manually.

Will those units(EH-68, EH-67) work in Canada? Aren't those pal systems? I thought they would only work in Europe if not I am so buying it.

I have the same problem.

I have 2 Panasonic systems(1 DMR-E85 120 GB and 1 DMR-EH55 200 GB system) both record on the HDD fine but won't let me play dvds or dub to dvd. One gives me a u99 error the other u88 error. The 200 GB is worst it won't even let me set up a timer to record on HDD i have to record manually.

Will those units(EH-68, EH-67) work in Canada? Aren't those pal systems? I thought they would only work in Europe if not I am so buying it.

If the DVD Drive makes "grinding" or "scrubbing" noises and fails during read, write or finalizing operations the disc is slipping on the rubber hub. Cleaning the DVD Drive rubber hub is the usual corrective for these problems.

The U88 error comes when there are other reading problem(s) with a disc in the machine. There might be any number of causes for these errors, a dirty or failed lens/laser assembly, a disturbance to one or more of the ribbon cables from the DVD Drive to the Digital PCB, or a problem with the Digital PCB itself. The U88 error may be accompanied with "clunking" or "chugging" noises as the DVD Drive attempts to read the disc. A gentle lens cleaning might restore functionality.

The U61 error is similar to the U88 error but occurs when there is no disc in the machine. The cause for these errors may be the same as for the U88 error.

Links to the rubber hub and lens cleaning procedure are found in my earlier post in this thread.

If the lens/laser assembly has failed or there is a problem with the Digital PCB replacement is indicated.

The U99 error indicates a "hang up" displayed when there is a communication error between the main microprocessor and the timer microprocessor. This U99 error may be triggered by the same hardware-related problems bringing on U88 and U61 errors. Panasonic suggests that the machine should be powered off for a time and then powered on. Sometimes a Panasonic may recover from the U99 error, sometimes not.

There is a $130 flat-rate repair offered through the corporate Panasonic Digital Service Center in Elk Grove Village Illinois, (near Chicago’s O’Hare airport). The $130 flat-rate repair includes all the parts and labor (and return shipping) necessary to return a Panasonic to new functional condition. I’m unsure if the flat-rate repair is offered to residents of Canada. For that information contact Elk Grove Village at 1-888-439-2676.

See this post for more information:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14451738#post14451738

Will those units(EH-68, EH-67) work in Canada? Aren't those pal systems? I thought they would only work in Europe if not I am so buying it.

The EH-67 and EH-68 are "generic" worldwide models. They will work just fine in Canada after you set them to NTSC recording/playback mode. Although primarily intended for PAL countries in Eastern Europe (because they have only analog PAL tuners), they are just as usable as any other recorder in USA/Canada, if you connect them to cable or satellite or external ATSC tuner. If your old Panasonic proves unrepairable, they make an excellent replacement (if you can afford one).

If he really likes his E80H ('03 model year) and doesn't want to try the do-it-yourself spindle cleaning(which really isn't that hard once you've got the hang of it) for $130 he could send his DVDR into Panasonic for the $130 flat rate repair (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14451738#post14451738). That offer includes all parts and labor as well as shipping it back to you. It's really an incredible deal. Personally if he's really used to his Panny I don't think he'd be satisfied with anything else.
If he can do without the tuner the EH-67 (http://www.world-import.com/dmr-eh67.htm) Citibear mentioned would be a good alternative. If the rumor is true and the EH-68 (http://www.world-import.com/Panasonic_dmr-eh68_320GB_HDD_DVD_Recorder.htm) is based on the EZ platform, I'd really stay clear of it. The EH-67 is based on the ES platform which has proven much more stable.

I have used the $130 flat rate repair service and I highly recommend it. I had my machine back in about two weeks, and it has been working perfectly since being returned. If you relly love your machine and don't want to change, then I think getting it repaired is the best approach.

I have the same problem.

I have 2 Panasonic systems(1 DMR-E85 120 GB and 1 DMR-EH55 200 GB system) both record on the HDD fine but won't let me play dvds or dub to dvd. One gives me a u99 error the other u88 error. The 200 GB is worst it won't even let me set up a timer to record on HDD i have to record manually.

Will those units(EH-68, EH-67) work in Canada? Aren't those pal systems? I thought they would only work in Europe if not I am so buying it.

My EH67 is equipped with a PAL tuner. It does everything else NTSC, but does not have a tuner that will work in the US. I use DirecTV exclusively as my service provider, so I don't need a tuner. If you do need one, you can get an external one (many threads abound discussing these and their pros and cons). It does not hve an IR blaster, so you will need to program the same information in the DVD recorder as in the separate tuner, so get one that can be programmed.

If you are thinking that this sounds like a lot of work, you are correct. Unfortunately, the manufacturers have left us with few elegant choices. Many of us have resorted to Rube Goldberg contraptions to automate our systems. Functional maybe, but undesirable.

Okay so I'm going to recommend he get his e80H repaired as well as getting the EH67 for "future use". I see B&H has it for $400 which is a little pricey but about what he paid for his years ago and this one has a much bigger hard drive.) If not, I may just buy that one for the living room and move mine into my bedroom for twice the programming power!

He doesn't record via the tuner so that's no problem. It's all composite or SVideo from the cable box. He also programs twice since our local cable never worked with the IR blaster anyway.

We'll see what he says.

I want to buy this
http://www.world-import.com/dmr-eh67.htm

I use Bell ExpressVu has my Satellite provider. I also have Shaw cable. Will they work with both?

ringmaster316, yes the EH-67 will work just fine with either Shaw cable, Bell Sat. or even OTA if you have a external tuner and can receive a good signal. With Shaw you'll still need some sort of STB or tuner that has composite or S-video outputs and with Bell I'm sure you already have a STB but again it would need composite or S-video outputs. Channel 3/4 outputs are no good since the EH-67 doesn't have a NTSC tuner to tune it.
The unit has a 110v-220v 50/60 HZ power supply and should come with a converter plug to go from the 2 round prongs to our 2 parallel prong plug.
I don't believe it's been mentioned but generally gray market items like the international DVDRs lack the manufactures warranty so the store that sells them generally give you a 30 day exchange warranty though them. For this reason you want to make sure the company you purchase the item from has been around for a long time and not about to go out of business(otherwise your store warranty would be useless). This shouldn't be a problem with WI or BH, they've been around as long as I can remember and I don't think they're going to go under anytime soon.
Since you're in Canada you'll need to make sure the company you decide on will ship out of the US, even if just to Canada.

I want to buy this
http://www.world-import.com/dmr-eh67.htm

I use Bell ExpressVu has my Satellite provider. I also have Shaw cable. Will they work with both?
If your cable box and satellite receiver will put out an anamorphically compressed signal on the S-Video or composite video lines, you are in. If it will only out put letterboxed video on these lines, then you will have a problem with high def content being postage-stamped. I bought my EH67 from World Import and it came with a power plug adapter. A really cheap little thing, but it was provided. I don't know if B&H will give you one of these. Also, the picture on the world import site is in error. Mine is black, and I suspect they all are. If you are partial to chrome over black, check with them to make sure before ordering.

I have been happy with my EH67.

thanks guys for the info

i use composite(yellow, white, red) for Bell ExpressVu.


If it will only out put letterboxed video on these lines, then you will have a problem with high def content being postage-stamped


what does this mean?

If you're Bell box (or Shaw for that matter) is HD and you use component/HDMI or DVI to your HD TV, you'll probably want to try running your composite output directly to your TV. What you see is what you get, meaning that if the picture is letter boxed(black bars on top and bottom of screen) or postage stamp(black bars on all sides) that's what your recorder will record. Sometimes HD STBs have menu adjustments to enable WS over non HD outputs, if so you'll want to enable this option.

If you have a analog STB you have no worries because analog doesn't have the option of WS. You can zoom a postage stamp picture with a digital TV but the image will suffer.

i don't have hd...sd receiver on a edtv

so i have nothing to worry about then right?

No worries then if you don't have HD service:)

i don't have hd...sd receiver on a edtv

so i have nothing to worry about then right?
This is correct. If you don't have HD, then you have no worries. I guess I just assumed that you did. Sorry. The problem of letterboxing (black bars on the top and bottom of the screen), or postage stamping (black bars on all four sides), has been continuous and difficult to overcome. In some cases, the use of appropriate settings can eliminate the problem, but in other cases, only the replacement of the cable box or sat receiver with a "better" one has been effective. That is what I meant when I said you might have a problem. A problem using the whole wide screen of an HD television effectively. No one wants to pay for a 42 inch diagonal wide screen television and get stuck with a 30 inch picture in the center.

also will my non finalized dics work on the EH67? They work on my eh55/e85h just fine but those are NTSC systems only .

They should work fine, yes.

People always come up with stuff I have never tried. It amazez me how long I have nad these devices, and all the possibilities I have never attempted.
also will my non finalized dics work on the EH67? They work on my eh55/e85h just fine but those are NTSC systems only.
The systems appear to be fully compatable, so I see no reason they would not work, but I have never tried it. I almost always use the dub and finalize option, so I rarely have unfinalized disks lying around. If you want, I'll try it and see.

People always come up with stuff I have never tried. It amazez me how long I have nad these devices, and all the possibilities I have never attempted.

The systems appear to be fully compatable, so I see no reason they would not work, but I have never tried it. I almost always use the dub and finalize option, so I rarely have unfinalized disks lying around. If you want, I'll try it and see.

you don't have to try it's not a big deal or anything I was just curious.

yeah 80% of my discs are un finalized. I try to finalze them but then get lazy.

What dvd recorders from Pansonic do you have? I find Pansonic DVD recorders have the best options for dubbing onto DVD(mind you have never used a Pioneer or Sony). Sony lets you use -R/+R to dub which is great(my Philips lets me use both has well but the menus for dubbing suck for it).

I love Philips recording speeds though. It has the XP(1hr), SP(2hrs),SPP(2.5hrs),LP(3hrs), EP(4hrs),SLP(8hrs) which I really like Panasonic only has 1hr,2hrs,4hrs, & 8hrs.

Phillips doesn't have FR mode though which really sucks. With Pansonic I can fit 2hrs 45 min SP mode onto 1 disc(max is 2 hrs but with FR mode I can fit an extra 1min-45 min) while with Philips I can only go OVER THE LIMIT by 2-3 min's.

So both systems have there pros/cons but Pansonic has more pros.

I was also 99% sure it would work but I figured if anyone knew for sure it would be Luke;)

okay i am going off topic here but what do you guys think of the Sony 160GB HDD / 1080p Up-Converting DVD Recorder (RDRHX780)? In Canada(atleast in BC) there are tons of these laying around at Best Buy & Futureshop. I guess if I want to get another non Panasonic unit this should do it. I heard the menus for dubbing are has good has Panny.

I think that's the clone of the Pioneer DVDR that was available in Canada. AFAIK it just lacks the RAM capability on the DVD drive and maybe a few minor things. I believe Citibear knows all the little differences and at one point was recommending the Sony since I think it was slightly cheaper than the Pioneer for those looking for the lowest price.

Phillips doesn't have FR mode though which really sucks. With Pansonic I can fit 2hrs 45 min SP mode onto 1 disc(max is 2 hrs but with FR mode I can fit an extra 1min-45 min) while with Philips I can only go OVER THE LIMIT by 2-3 min's.
Check this help file for a "HSD Times" table that shows how many extra minutes at each rec mode will fit on a std DVD? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298490&postcount=19)

Actually on a Panny when your use FR for 2:45 it's not recorded in SP but rather a speed or bitrate that fills up the disc after 2:45 min. The Philips has a 3hr speed so in your 2:45 minute case you're only really wasting 15 min or ~10% of the disc if you use the Philips 3hr canned speed.
Don't get me wrong, I really like FR it's just in your example I wouldn't really worry about the 10% waste. I've read reports from people who say using FR on a Panny wastes ~10% of the available disc space for some reason, so if that's true things would be about the same in both cases.

edit: if you're referring to the point at which the machine switches from D1 to 1/2 D1 resolution I might understand where you're coming from since your '03 E80H switches to 1/2 D1 somewhere before LP. From '05 and on Panny's keep full D1 up to LP(4hr speed).
I believe the Philips drops to 1/2 D1 on any speed above SP or ~2:07 if using HS dub from the HDD.
Is that what your were getting at when you said "max is 2 hrs but with FR mode I can fit an extra 1min-45 min"?

Unless the Sony 780 is being offered at a real firesale price ($219 or less), it is a poor value compared to its Pioneer "cousins". The Pioneer x60 models were the third generation perfection of a chassis designed in 2006: they use a newer 12-bit video encoder, they can read/write DVD-RAM as well as -R/RW and +R/RW, and their handling of jpegs and jukebox functions is slightly more refined (if you bother with those features). The Sony 780 is a cut-rate design using a mishmash of 2006 and 2007 parts (older 10-bit encoder, older operating system, plays RAM but can't record it). The Sony has also had significantly more reports of issues with HDMI and component out.

When these machines were introduced a year ago, the Pioneer 560 sold for $449 and the Sony 780 was $349: even then the price savings was not really worth the compromises. Today, with leftover Pio 460/560/660 units going for $269-299, the Sony 780 is pointless unless you can get it for just over $200. Any more than that, go for the Pioneer instead. Its pretty telling that the Pioneers are nearly sold out all over Canada but the Sony litters the landscape like Starbucks coffee lids. They're a decent enough machine, especially if you get one that works properly, but the Pioneers were better. Best Buy should have a liberal return/exchange policy in case you get an "off" Sony, so they could be worth a shot as a backup recorder at the right price.

REGARDING "FR" RECORDING SPEEDS: the Panasonics can only do this automatically, it works well but its a bit kludgy and does not maximize disc capacity/quality as much as you can under manual control. The Pioneers and the Sony 780 have fully manual "MN" recording speeds that you can set in 5 or ten minute increments between the standard XP, SP, LP speeds. Because you have full control, you can use your human intelligence to set a "wrong" speed the recorder computer would never choose automatically. Like say you're recording a 93 minutes 30 secs movie from TCM: you can set a Pio/Sony to a 90 minute speed and fill the 4.4GB disc completely with the 93:30 minutes. Admittedly the automatic Panasonic FR would make a recording almost indistinguishable from this using 3.9GB, but sometimes its noticeable and its nice to have full control over it.

The Phillips/Magnavox units split the difference: no auto FR, no manual speeds, but a very useful 2.5 hour speed and a credible 3 hour speed that can cover most bases nicely. Their built-in 16:9 ATSC tuners compensate for the lack of in between speeds in many cases, other DVD/HDD machines rely on external tuners or STBs.

you don't have to try it's not a big deal or anything I was just curious.

yeah 80% of my discs are un finalized. I try to finalze them but then get lazy.



I was also 99% sure it would work but I figured if anyone knew for sure it would be Luke;)

Well, now I am curious. I'll have to try it just to satisfy my own interest in the matter. As a coincidence, Just last weekend I found an unfialized disk that I had made many years ago on me E85. One of the first disks I ever recorded. It finalized on my EH55 just fine. I'll run the test shortly as I have a lot of stuff in my two "in-console" machines to burn.

...Its pretty telling that the Pioneers are nearly sold out all over Canada but the Sony litters the landscape like Starbucks coffee lids.
I really like your colorful colloquialisms. Over the last few months, they have been getting more and more barbed--to the point. Keep up the good work!:D

I'm surprised there even are that many Starbucks lids scattering the landscape in the current economy.

You'd think a lot of people would've cut out those $5.50 latte's by now. :p

According to my wife, Starbucks is NOT discretionary spending!:D

also will my non finalized dics work on the EH67? They work on my eh55/e85h just fine but those are NTSC systems only .
Okay, yesterday evening I made a disk with my EH55, and took it over to my EH67 to finalize it. There was no problem at all. The time it took to finalize this was about the same. I expected this, but now it is confirmed. Well, one test case...