Many people seem to feel that Beck's Sea Change is a definitive mch audio title.

I've seen this specifically with reference to the SACD; which if you can find it is almost $150 used :eek:

I've found a source for the DVD-A at $21.

Is it the same recording and same quality?

Many people seem to feel that Beck's Sea Change is a definitive mch audio title.

I've seen this specifically with reference to the SACD; which if you can find it is almost $150 used :eek:

I've found a source for the DVD-A at $21.

Is it the same recording and same quality?

I have not heard the SA-CD version but I have the DVD-A version and it has great sound.. I would grab the DVD-A version if I were you.... especially at $21

I have not heard the SA-CD version but I have the DVD-A version and it has great sound.. I would grab the DVD-A version if I were you.... especially at $21

The fact that you get a cracking Hi rez album in surround and seven Videos contemporary to the album make the DVDA a winner for me. No way the SACD can beat it

Is it the same recording and same quality?Without getting into a discussion of which format MAY be better, short answer is "yes". Get the DVD-A.

I bet dollars to doughnuts that if you had both and did a level matched DBT you couldn't tell the difference. Also the original recording is done in LPCM so the DSD SA-CD must be trans-coded.

I bet dollars to doughnuts that if you had both and did a level matched DBT you couldn't tell the difference.And even if someone COULD (or thought they could) tell a difference, they would not know which was which and would most likely be hard-pressed to decide, upon extended listening to different tracks, which "difference" they preferred.

I have the DVD-A and it sounds fantastic. I also chose it over the SACD (I bought it new and they were a dollar or two different) because of the video extras. At the current price differential, jump on the DVD-A.

I have both, I can't tell the difference in audio quality. The DVD-A has videos, which is a bonus. The SACD isn't even hybrid, so definitely go for the DVD-A!

IMHO,

shinksma

i never even knew beck when i bought the dvd-a years ago, it has to be the best sounding disc i have, i cant believe you found it for $21, better get it fast, btw what is the source ;)

I can tell you that I *would* be able to hear the differences, with a decent enough sound system, and quite clearly.

Anyway, that's another timeless debate that probably shouldn't be gotten into, as well :)...

i never even knew beck when i bought the dvd-a years ago, it has to be the best sounding disc i have, i cant believe you found it for $21, better get it fast, btw what is the source ;)

http://www.grooveyard.ca/

I can tell you that I *would* be able to hear the differences, with a decent enough sound system, and quite clearly.

Anyway, that's another timeless debate that probably shouldn't be gotten into, as well :)...Well, you let the cat out of the bag, now. :rolleyes: :p

Why do you think you would be able to tell the difference? I'm talking about a perfectly level-matched, blinded comparison with (if applicable) identical bass and time management.

As I said, you may be able to tell a difference between the two, but you would be hard-pressed, blinded, to choose which one you preferred with extended listening to multiple tracks.

I have both, and they're both excellent. Like others said, with the dvd-auido you get the videos and it's easier to archive. Whether there's a difference: sure, but I couldn't tell you which is better!

Whether there's a difference: sure, but I couldn't tell you which is better!Exactly. :)

Anybody heard the MoFi Ultradisc CD version yet?

i think 20 bucks is a great deal for that disc, better get one

The consensus is that the Beck dvd-A stands out. It is just short of Kamakiriad by Fagen which is the gold standard dvd-A in my opinion.

Unfortunately, Kamakiriad is a near impossible to find disc.

I would say Kamakiriad is worth $50-$75 bucks (a round of golf or a night out at a good restaurant) if you want to hear the best. Actually it sounds so good i am almost afraid to get it out of the case for fear of mishandling it.

.............Kamakiriad by Fagen which is the gold standard dvd-A in my opinion.Why not The Nightfly, Morph the Cat, Two Against Nature, or Everything Must Go? Hard for me to choose between those.

Kamakiriad is the best because Snowbound is the best sounding track I have ever heard.

I have all of the Steely Dan and Fagen DVD-A's and they all sound great, but Kamakiriad, on my system and setup, just sounds better than anything I have ever heard.

I actually have Nightfly on Mobile Fidelity Vinyl, CD, and DVD-A.

Kamakiriad is the best because Snowbound is the best sounding track I have ever heard.:D Laugh. Funny that you mention this track. One of my faves, too. Kamakiriad was my best sounding CD when it come out. And it is definitely one of my best sounding DVD-As. But I would be hard-pressed to decide between those I listed.

Yeah, Steely Dan / Donald Fagen certainly got multi-channel sound right. Another of my definite favorites is 'Gaucho' on SACD. Can't listen to this enough.

Hi there!
I have both formats. I first bought the dvd-a and I was shocked with the quality, fidelity and mix of this record, besides the unique melancholic air that is present in the music, something I really enjoy. Some months later I found a copy of the SACD for just 80 pesos ($6dls aprox.), a bargain I didn’t want to pass over. So I can tell, as David Scott wrote, there’s a difference between both formats: I can tell that I found the SACD more soft and I could tell I get a sense of space I can’t get in the dvd-a, but in the dvd-a I hear everything as closer and more clear… I think this is called fidelity. Honestly I couldn’t say which sounds better. This is not the case with Bjork’s Vespertine, I have both formats (dvd-a is 48/24) and SACD is jaw dropping you can hear every detail and you can hear Bjork’s voice as if she was in front of you.

So I can’t tell which sounds better but for sure dvd-a has an advantage with the extras.
:D

So I can tell, as David Scott wrote, there’s a difference between both formats: I can tell that I found the SACD more soft and I could tell I get a sense of space I can’t get in the dvd-a, but in the dvd-a I hear everything as closer and more clear… I think this is called fidelity.But what you absolutely cannot do is attribute any difference, real or imagined, as being strictly due to the difference in the two formats. You just can't. Period. There are just too many variables both during production and upon reproduction on your system to do that.


This is not the case with Bjork’s Vespertine, I have both formats (dvd-a is 48/24) and SACD is jaw dropping you can hear every detail and you can hear Bjork’s voice as if she was in front of you.Same reply as above.



An SACD or DVD-A version may indeed sound different or even better than the other to you, but you CANNOT KNOW "WHY?".

Shure this CD sounds great (If you can make it through the entire album)!!!:D:eek:

Shure this CD sounds great...

Are you referring to the microphones used?:D

Shure this CD sounds great (If you can make it through the entire album)!!!:D:eek:



Or, you referring it's a little on the depressing side? And you might end up with you wrist slit :eek: It's one of those albums that conjured some kinds of emotions, especially if you're on the outs with your lady, or your man( I don't judge) with it's breaking up themes.


Djoel

Or, you referring it's a little on the depressing side? And you might end up with you wrist slit :eek: It's one of those albums that conjured some kinds of emotions, especially if you're on the outs with your lady, or your man( I don't judge) with it's breaking up themes.


Djoel

Ha,
Yea this is the one. Sure it is LOL:D

http://www.grooveyard.ca/
They list a DVD, but not a DVD-Audio disc.

They list a DVD, but not a DVD-Audio disc.

Hmmm, looks like I missed out on this one, I don't see a DVD version listed anywhere on that site. Bummer, I'd love to have it to compare to my SACD version.

Here (http://www.fye.com/USED--Beck--Sea-Change-Front-Page_stcVVproductId6935861VVcatId455366VVviewprod.htm) for $39.

I called Groove yard, and spoke to someone about a week ago, they were really friendly to they said they are expecting a shipment pretty soon.. I gave him my email so when they arrive to let me know...


Djoel

I called Groove yard, and spoke to someone about a week ago, they were really friendly to they said they are expecting a shipment pretty soon.. I gave him my email so when they arrive to let me know...


Djoel


Good to know thanks. I'll give them a call and see if I can get it for a bit less than the f.y.e. price.

Good to know thanks. I'll give them a call and see if I can get it for a bit less than the f.y.e. price.

Don't bother. They canceled my order after 2 weeks because they can't get any more. :mad:

While it was a bit tough the swallow the FYE price, that's gonna be your only non-Ebay or Amazon Marketplace route for the disc now. There's no way Grooveyard is expecting a shipment of long-OOP DVD-A discs. They most likely meant the CD reissue of Sea Change that's forthcoming.

While it was a bit tough the swallow the FYE price....
Looks like someone didn't mind the price...no longer available! :(

I'm listening to the DTS of this, and it is mind-boggling.

Anyone have insight into where I can find this in either SACD or DVD-A? Is it unreasonable to want a sealed disc for around $50?

Thanks!

You can find it on EBAY. I've seen some lower bids.

somewhat off topic...

i consider myself a Beck fan. not to any unusual degree, but i own Sea Change (HDCD. no SACD player yet :( ), Mutations, and a double disc edition of Odelay

my question is: is sea change the only album offered in SACD? i LOVE mutations and would love to hear that in multi-channel. also, can anyone comment on the vynil quality? a dealer near me has a 12" of Sea Change. every time i go there i cant help but "sea" it ;)

I believe Gaucho or whatever the name of his album after sea change came out on DVD-A or it was a dual disc that supported DVD-A. That was over 5 years ago so I don't remember it as clearly. That is a title that I never picked up.

my question is: is sea change the only album offered in SACD?I believe Gaucho or whatever the name of his album after sea change came out on DVD-A or it was a dual disc that supported DVD-A. That was over 5 years ago so I don't remember it as clearly. That is a title that I never picked up.Guero. And it was available in surround. As was The Information, iirc. Whether either of those was available as SACD, I do not know.

Guero. And it was available in surround. As was The Information, iirc. Whether either of those was available as SACD, I do not know.

cool! thanks for the info

Guero was available as a CD/DVD-Audio limited-edition set; the DVD-A had the surround mixes with the selectable visuals, while the CD had maybe seven bonus tracks not found on the regular edition.

The Information is not available in either surround format. It does include a DVD of videos for all the songs on the main CD, but the disc is in stereo.

Sea Change, to my knowledge, was the only Beck title available in both DVD-Audio and SACD. (I own the SACD version, as well as the two-disc set for Guero.)

The Information is not available in either surround format.OK. Sorry if I posted some misinformation on The Information. :)

It looks like Ebay is the last vestige of places to find this beaute.

I can't comment on the DVD-A to SACD comparison, but I just picked up a copy of the SACD (on ebay) & it is great! I'd say that if the only version you've heard is the standard CD, you haven't really heard this album. I was amazed at how much more there is to this album.

I can't comment on the DVD-A to SACD comparison, but I just picked up a copy of the SACD (on ebay) & it is great! I'd say that if the only version you've heard is the standard CD, you haven't really heard this album. I was amazed at how much more there is to this album.



It's so rich, and lively in fact I was just listening to it over the weekend LOUD, and it's just scary on some of those passages the drum kicks sounds..My all time favorite SACD. I also have it on vinyl as well, it's been some time I've given it a spin.

There was one on sale on Agon not too long ago, I could never sell this disc, never:cool:


Djoel

I'm listening to the DTS of this, and it is mind-boggling.

So with all the praise this album gets, I tried buying the album online with no luck.

So I found and downloaded the DTS version and gave it a go. The discreet MC is nice. I like Beck, but I don't know about this album. It's a little too melancholy. It's as if the entire album was recorded while Beck was smoking bud. It just sounded blahhh to me. Maybe it will grow on me.

As others have said though, the surround mix is fantastic.

I like Beck, but I don't know about this album. It's a little too melancholy. It's as if the entire album was recorded while Beck was smoking bud. It just sounded blahhh to me. Maybe it will grow on me.

heh, I love how this album oozes with melancholy. This is Beck's break-up with long-time girlfriend album, where he puts all his emotions on his sleeve.

It's a great album to, um, "get close to a really good friend" with, as long as you ignore the lyrics. Not sure why, maybe there is yearning inherent in the mood that transfers well to the listener's subconcious, making them want the person they are with even more.

Or I'm just taking it too personally. ;)

shinksma

I picked this up when it was new (along with about a dozen other DVD-As that got a few quick listens) and, frankly, haven't spun it in a few years now. Perhaps I'll give it a whirl sometime soon when my schedule winds down for vacation.

So with all the praise this album gets, I tried buying the album online with no luck.

So I found and downloaded the DTS version and gave it a go. The discreet MC is nice. I like Beck, but I don't know about this album. It's a little too melancholy. It's as if the entire album was recorded while Beck was smoking bud. It just sounded blahhh to me. Maybe it will grow on me.

As others have said though, the surround mix is fantastic.

Not sure if this can be safely answered here but...I see downloads of dvd-audio or DTS 5.1 mixes obviously from the source disc, if you then burn it to a DVD is it identical in sound or was something encrypted so as to avoid this from happening.

I ask because prices for Hotel California on DVD-A are getting crazy and I'm more curious than anything to hear how good it sounds. Again, not condoning but didn't know if it would be identical.

Not sure if this can be safely answered here but...I see downloads of dvd-audio or DTS 5.1 mixes obviously from the source disc, if you then burn it to a DVD is it identical in sound or was something encrypted so as to avoid this from happening.

I ask because prices for Hotel California on DVD-A are getting crazy and I'm more curious than anything to hear how good it sounds. Again, not condoning but didn't know if it would be identical.

The DTS version of Sea Change was showing 48kHz, so I believe that it is a lossy version of the original DVD-A. It sounds great, so I'm sure the DVD-A or SACD may sound fuller.

I see many DTS albums out there from out of print material. I just paid $50 for Sting's "Nothing Like the Sun" in DTS format on the used market. The same disc is "out there" but it's one of my favorite albums worth owning as an original print.

I just wish that the recording industry could support the surround format more. It's such a pity that people are content with digital downloads only.

Wow, with all the talk of so many great DVD-As being so hard to come by, I must be sitting on a fortune with my 60-disc collection! I'm really glad I bought up as many as I did when they were widely available, and I continue to enjoy them immensely when I get a chance to sit down and really listen. It's a shame the format never really took off, but I will continue to enjoy mine as long as they keep making players that support the format.

I generally don't buy duplicates of albums in multiple formats, but at one point I moved to a player that only supported DVD-A (not SACD), so I duplicated my three favorite SACDs on DVD-A...Steely Dan's "Gaucho," Beck's "Sea Change," and the Who's "Tommy."

I generally don't buy duplicates of albums in multiple formats, but at one point I moved to a player that only supported DVD-A (not SACD), so I duplicated my three favorite SACDs on DVD-A...Steely Dan's "Gaucho," Beck's "Sea Change," and the Who's "Tommy."

So why you leaving us hanging then? What's Don thought on the original thread topic? SACD or DVD-A of Sea Change?:)

I just found the DVD-A at a bargain price and grabbed it. Wow! It's very nice, even if it is melancholy. I have a dedicated 5.1 music-only system, and Beck really works it well. Sea Change was a real accomplishment for the mixer and mastering talent. If this couldn't make DVD-A and/or SACD into a desired format, then I guess there wasn't much hope.

In response to an earlier question...I have the MOFI CD version....amazing sound, very three dimensional....$30...a great buy (unless you can get the DVD-A for that price of course.

I want to buy this title, but have been on the fence about which format to buy;
DVD-A vs. SACD vs. MOFI CD....

The DVD-A has video extras that the other two don't and is the same mix/master as the SACD. It also sounds great in MCH (though I know not everyone shares my views on MCH playback). I'm happy with my DVD-A (though I paid a LOT less than what seems to be the going rate for it).

Amazing album and sonics. I've got both the SACD and DVD-A much prefer the DVD-A, but I prefer DVD-A in general over SACD. SACD's seem to sound more artificial to me.

If you like the album, each format has its own merits. I have the SACD and mofi disc and would heartily recommend either/both. This album begs for multichannel application (IMO) and the SACD offers a very good surround mix. I've never heard the DVD-A, but I'm sure it sounds great and it has video material. The mofi disc has a different mix on some existing songs plus the benefit of an added song...which I like as well as any on the album. You can't go wrong whichever way you choose.

Is the sacd in stereo and multi channel?

yes to both.

Anybody have any leads on a reasonably priced copy of the DVD-A?

I'd love to get it, but can't justify paying more than $30 or so.

Anybody have any leads on a reasonably priced copy of the DVD-A?

I'd love to get it, but can't justify paying more than $30 or so.

I think your only chance of getting a DVD-A copy for that price is from someone that does not know the actual value. There was a listing on Audiogon a few weeks ago with 53 SACDs for $650.00:eek:. There were a number of very hard to find SACDs in the package. Beck's Sea Change, Roxy Music's Avalon and Allison Krause with Union Station Live were a few of them. Needless to say I missed out on getting them:(.

Bill

The 88/24 version of sea change is now on HDtracks.com

I think your only chance of getting a DVD-A copy for that price is from someone that does not know the actual value. There was a listing on Audiogon a few weeks ago with 53 SACDs for $650.00:eek:. There were a number of very hard to find SACDs in the package. Beck's Sea Change, Roxy Music's Avalon and Allison Krause with Union Station Live were a few of them. Needless to say I missed out on getting them:(.

Bill

Hmmm, yeah you are probably right I guess I missed out on getting a copy for a decent price.

The 88/24 version of sea change is now on HDtracks.com

Cool, good to know, maybe I will just go that route.

I got the HD Tracks download....does not appear to be multichannel unfortunately.

I cannot tell a significant difference from my MoFI gold master disc, and might slightly prefer the MoFI disc (admittedly I haven't done a good blinded comparison). It seems that the bass is much deeper in the HD Tracks version.

This is playing both the Disc and the flac on my OPPO 95

still, I am quite happy to have it on my memory stick!

Thanks for the info on that.

heh, I love how this album oozes with melancholy. This is Beck's break-up with long-time girlfriend album, where he puts all his emotions on his sleeve.

It's a great album to, um, "get close to a really good friend" with, as long as you ignore the lyrics. Not sure why, maybe there is yearning inherent in the mood that transfers well to the listener's subconcious, making them want the person they are with even more.

Or I'm just taking it too personally. ;)

shinksma

yes, it its melancholy. it's not the typical fun record you get with beck. sounds fantastic though. the acoustic guitar on "already dead" is sublime. for those of you who like beck's more typical sound, i would recommend the dvd-a of guero. it has a lively use of the surround channels and is just a blast to listen to. i listen to it more often than sea change. the sonic clarity isn't as good as sea change but it's still quite good. and has tons of bass too. amazon has a number of sellers and i haven't checked but i'm sure it can found on ebay as well.

yes, it its melancholy. it's not the typical fun record you get with beck. sounds fantastic though. the acoustic guitar on "already dead" is sublime. for those of you who like beck's more typical sound, i would recommend the dvd-a of guero. it has a lively use of the surround channels and is just a blast to listen to. i listen to it more often than sea change. the sonic clarity isn't as good as sea change but it's still quite good. and has tons of bass too. amazon has a number of sellers and i haven't checked but i'm sure it can found on ebay as well.

Before buying this I had only heard Beck's radio hits so I wasn't familiar with most of these songs. I was expecting Beck's "funky/quirky" style but was pleasantly surprised as it didn't sound anything like I expected it to. It's a very chill listen so make sure you're in a mellow mood.

Highly recommended and one of my favorite SACDs.

was pleasantly surprised. It's a very chill listen so make sure you're in a mellow moodIt's good- period...........

I have the SACD, the multi-channel version is beautiful

I just got the SACD this week and it does sound incredible:). I also have the CD (HDCD) and I feel that sounds excellent as well.

Bill

At the Steve Hoffman music forum Sea Change got several votes for best sounding MFSL. I recently picked it up and it's outstanding. I have two players connected to my AVR and might do an A-B comparing the MSFL with the SACD (2-channel).

At the Steve Hoffman music forum Sea Change got several votes for best sounding MFSL. I recently picked it up and it's outstanding. I have two players connected to my AVR and might do an A-B comparing the MSFL with the SACD (2-channel).

A almost grabbed the MOFI version used at a great price but I just can't see it being better than the SACD 2CH. But you never know;). I figured having two copies is enough. Although I must have about 5-6 different versions of ABB's Fillmore East:D.

Bill

I think the MOFI version is worth the cost. The MOFI version has a different mix on one or two songs plus a bonus song. I have the redbook CD, the SACD, and the MOFI CD and I always seem to reach for the MOFI version unless I want the surround treatment.

A almost grabbed the MOFI version used at a great price but I just can't see it being better than the SACD 2CH. But you never know;). I figured having two copies is enough. Although I must have about 5-6 different versions of ABB's Fillmore East:D.

Bill

Yeah I hear ya about the Allmans @ Fillmore as I have a bunch of different versions as well (but not MFSL-yet). I'm pretty sure I've listened to the SACD more than any other disc in my collection.

I think the MOFI version is worth the cost. The MOFI version has a different mix on one or two songs plus a bonus song. I have the redbook CD, the SACD, and the MOFI CD and I always seem to reach for the MOFI version unless I want the surround treatment.

Thats good to know. I did not know there was an extra track. Oh well if I can pick up the MOFI at a decent price I might grab one.

Bill

Yeah I hear ya about the Allmans @ Fillmore as I have a bunch of different versions as well (but not MFSL-yet). I'm pretty sure I've listened to the SACD more than any other disc in my collection.

I've had the MSFL for quite awhile. I broke it out recently and this version is my favorite for 2CH. The SACD sounds great as well.

Bill

I just found a used DVD-A for $53 shipped. I hope it is worth it since I'm at the worst juncture I've ever been in my life, both financially and personally. I'm hoping that listening to this will help me as I deal with the latter.

I just found a used DVD-A for $53 shipped. I hope it is worth it since I'm at the worst juncture I've ever been in my life, both financially and personally. I'm hoping that listening to this will help me as I deal with the latter.Um, it is a depressing album. :(

I just found a used DVD-A for $53 shipped. I hope it is worth it since I'm at the worst juncture I've ever been in my life, both financially and personally. I'm hoping that listening to this will help me as I deal with the latter.

James,

It definitely isn't an upbeat album but focus on the 5.1 SQ and you will be smiling:). I know I do everytime I listen to the SACD in 5.1. Excellent SQ and 5.1 mix without a doubt.

I looked back a few posts and see mention of having multiple copies of Fillmore East. I just bought the DTS version which is supposed have the original quad mix from the quad album. Should be very interesting. Yet another copy of a classic album.

Bill

I'm hoping that listening to this will help me as I deal with the latter.

Um, it is a depressing album. :(

First, I hope things improve for you. Just keep moving ahead, one day at a time, and before you realize it, you will have walked to a better place.

Second, Sea Change is a melancholy and wounded album, but it can be very cathartic. As long as you let it wash your sorrows away rather than overcome and drown you, you'll have a splendid aural experience and some emotional blood-letting (in a good sense). It's always a positive listening experience for me.

I know some folks panned the album as being too dark, too self-indulgent, too self-pitying. It is all of those things to be sure. Nonetheless, it was not just a way of parading pain, disappointment, and personal failure in front of millions; it was also a way to say, "Yep, you can feel like $h!t and still get something done. I made this record."

James in VA,
I'd say filecat13 hit the nail on the head in his description of the album. Sea changes are hard to weather, but there is always a way to overcome them. I've heard it put this way, "Trials can either make us bitter or they can make us BETTER!" Our attitude goes a long way toward controlling the outcome. Hang in there bud and let us know what you think about the album.

I'd say filecat13 hit the nail on the head in his description of the album.yep


Sea changes are hard to weather..........yep