I'm probably going to get this TV sometime this week but I was wondering how bad the input lag is. I'm going from a regular CRT to this TV and the games that I mostly play are Call of Duty and Halo on X360. If I use a VGA cable will I notice any difference? (any lag)

Not sure but I think 60hz tv's are better for gaming than 120hz tv, unless the 120hz can be switched to game mode which some tv's have.

I'm probably going to get this TV sometime this week but I was wondering how bad the input lag is. I'm going from a regular CRT to this TV and the games that I mostly play are Call of Duty and Halo on X360. If I use a VGA cable will I notice any difference? (any lag)

From my research the B6** series Samsungs will provide 0-15ms of lag while using VGA. In other words, the average human is incapable of noticing such a small input lag.

Also, in a sense 60Hz displays are superior for gaming due to the lower input lag but 120Hz panels are generally superior in all regards since they have a higher manufacturing standard.

I don't think you have why to worry about this. Like Sythe X10 said Samsung will provide 0-15ms of lag in this conditions plus it has 4 ms response time. This year Samsung say that they improved game mode stating. I say you won’t notice any difference and 120Hz panels are overall better than 60Hz panels. Samsung LN40B640: good buy.:)

I don't think you have why to worry about this. Like Sythe X10 said Samsung will provide 0-15ms of lag in this conditions plus it has 4 ms response time. This year Samsung say that they improved game mode stating. I say you won’t notice any difference and 120Hz panels are overall better than 60Hz panels. Samsung LN40B640: good buy.:)

Just a little tid bit: Response time is completely different from input lag.

Response time measures the time pixels take to respond to changing colors ( Usually measured Grey to Grey or GTG/G2G by most MANF )

Input lag is generally caused by the panel and or processing. It basically means the gap of time between the signal or image is sent to the display, processed and displayed. In this case that gap would be ~15ms.

So there's not going to be a difference going from a tube to this TV?

So there's not going to be a difference going from a tube to this TV?

There will be a huge difference, but I'll assume that your talking about input lag.

Tubes generally have below 1ms or below (We are talking *μs) so on paper there will be a difference but a human being will not notice 15ms of latency. To put it in perspective from the time you see an image with your eye it takes around 50ms for your brain to actually process the image.

So, you won't NOTICE a difference using VGA on that display compared to your tube.

Should I just go with the Samsung PN42B450? I'm not that worried about burn in that much and 1080p is hardly worth it at anything 42" or less. So what's better for gaming, plasma or lcd?

In terms of raw performance IE: Black levels, Motion, 'depth' and color reproduction the plasma is superior, as it's just the nature of the technology.

Be sure to research proper break in procedure before you take the dive. Also, make sure you go with a 1080p Panasonic plasma, the 720p panels are NOT Neo-PDP technology. Also, Samsung is very poor when it comes to image retention compared to Panasonic, so highly consider a Panasonic over a Samsung in the PDP area.

Either way, You'll be happy with either sets. Edit: LCD or Plasma that is.

So there's hardly any lag with plasmas right? Less than LCD? I think I'm going to get the PN42B450 then since I could care less about 1080p unless of course the input lag is essentially the same as the LCD.

So there's hardly any lag with plasmas right? Less than LCD? I think I'm going to get the PN42B450 then since I could care less about 1080p unless of course the input lag is essentially the same as the LCD.

The input lag on plasma is far less than comparable LCD's.

But please reconsider getting a Panasonic if the sole purpose is gaming. Samsungs have been known to have less image retention handling then the comparable Panasonics.

What are your viewing habits? Example: 50% movies 25% game 25% TV and which games do you play the most?

Edit: Remember resolution is not the only thing different in 720p and 1080p panels, 1080p panels have higher manufacturing standards and as a result they boast higher (true) contrast ratios and better color reproduction as well as superior motion handling.(compared to their 720p counterparts)

probably like 50% gaming
50% tv and movies (more so on tv like 40%)

probably like 50% gaming
50% tv and movies (more so on tv like 40%)

In that case as long as you follow proper break in procedure with the Samsung you should be fine. Just don't over do it in the first 150 hours of use. During that time there is a high chance of severe image retention. All image retention is temporary it's just the severity that varies.

I'm gonna have to refer you to the plasma forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=167

You'll get more answers there than here.

Should I just go with the Samsung PN42B450? I'm not that worried about burn in that much and 1080p is hardly worth it at anything 42" or less. So what's better for gaming, plasma or lcd?

So there's hardly any lag with plasmas right? Less than LCD? I think I'm going to get the PN42B450 then since I could care less about 1080p unless of course the input lag is essentially the same as the LCD.

I've never seen any lag tests done on Samsung's plasma (I'd love to), nor any special mention or praise in reviews (Panasonic's often do). I'm pretty sure Samsung is sharing their general video processing across both LCD's and Plasma's, so while they may be slightly better than their LCD's, I wouldn't hold my breath on them setting any standards in this regard either.

You are right but i didn't say that response time is the same as input lag. Considering that ghostfacekilla wants to buy this LCD TV for mostly games, i said that having a 4ms response time is a plus. Am i wrong?

Regarding lag on samsung.... if you watch a whole wall of displays on the same video, the samsungs will always be the last to change. Compare, in your periphery, a number of different TVs at once during scene changes -- it's quite obvious that the samsung is slower. The samsungs have to be at *least* 250ms later than Sony, Sharp and others. This is far worse than 4ms or 17ms quoted above and in specs elsewhere.

Samsung tends to have better and more robust processing than the others, but if that is being done at the expense of latency (too many discrete processing steps), that would be unacceptable for PC output, videoconferencing, or gaming.

I was unable to engage the game mode on these samsungs to get around this. Also, it's possible that the stores' video distribution uses coax (atsc/qam) and the samsung's tuner could be immensely slower than HDMI for some reason, but I doubt it.