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Useful links:

Xtreamer Firmware v1.01 - http://gator884.hostgator.com/~xtreamer/Xtreamer_ver101.xtr *NEW*
Release Notes (v1.01) - http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=577 *NEW*
Xtreamer MovieJukebox v1.0.0.5 BETA - http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=463
Xtreamer UNBOXED Pics - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16758137#post16758137
Xtreamer User Manual - http://gator884.hostgator.com/~xtreamer/xtreamer_UseManual_final.pdf
Xtreamer Quick Install Guide - http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/765/picture40.png
Xtreamer TV Promo (YouTube) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1emJdtjyWY *FIXED*
Xtreamer GUI Demo & Product Tour (YouTube)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaoNTSNn0g
Xtreamer product FAQ - http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/categories.php?categoryid=5
Xtreamer forums - http://forum.xtreamer.net/
Xtreamer website - http://www.xtreamer.net/

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Xtreamer Quick Install Guide
The Xtreamer therefore performs several unique advantages over competing media streamers :

(1) unlike the WDTV - the Xtreamer has both wired/wireless lan connectivity at 802.11n standard.
(2) unlike NMT - the wireless USB Antenna is to be at 802.11n - much stronger and stable signal than any USB dongle in the market. (patent pending) .
(3) Unlike the WDTV - it can work as an external HDD 2.5" enclosure. (not a must have but nice to have)
(4) Unlike the Asus O|Play the xtreamer use more advanced chipset. the Asus use Realtek 1073 and Xtreamer is based on the more advanced 128X ( the X stands for specially designed chipset made for this project only - from the 1283 series). please note an important enhancment to our realtek based unit : its supports NTFS read\write as well as SMB. your unit will be able to be accessible from your PC and files would be able to be copied\downloaded\streamed with no problem via your wire\wireless USB and your USB the device supports 2 USB extentions that alows it to connect to 2 extrenal USB HDD + the additional one inside (as an option).
(5) Unlike the WDTV or Asus the xtreamer supports 23 languages including full 100% OSD, GUI and Subtitles for each.
(6) The Xtreamer has an incorporated full NAS capability based on its UPnP abiity. a user can access and stream all his media library even from the internet by simply designating his unit a friendly name ( Yourname.xtreamer.net) . the integrated DDNS and NAS are both free and installed from factor .
(7) the Xtreamer comes with full NTFS SMB and FTP full read/write capability
(8) special effort was done in utilizing the xtreamer to support 1080p and MKV. Thus our labs tests shows more than 95% competability to MKV files
(9) our staff was collecting data for month in various warez blogs and platforms so as to enable greater competability to as many file formats and codecs as possible ([*websites removed*]) we dont recomend nor we will support by anyway downloading illegal media or protected intelectual property content of any kind.
(10) the Xtreamer is bundled with YAMJ like software that was designed to be easier for "regular" user while retain support for both media search and an automatic movie info file generation from various platforms
(11) the Xtreamer is supporting DTS audio and has acquired all licenses from Sisvel , DTS, Dolby labs and Divx)
(12) the Xtreamer supports an Auto WIFI Scan and an Auto UPnP detection from factor.
(13) The xtreamer is designed mainly for Windows PC vista and XP users and linux users (mac support is scheduled for Q3 2009)

Source: 'Xtreamer forums - What is Xtreamer all about' (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6")


Connectivity

* WIFI
* UPnP SSDP
* UPnP AV
* NTFS
*

Web services

o Video : YouTube, Picasa, Yahoo Video, CNN, NBC Today, CBS Face the Nation and more
o Audio : Live365 Radio, iPodcast, Radiobox, ABC News, BBC Podcast, CNN News , Indiefeed, Jamendo
o Photo : Picasaweb
o RSS feed : Yahoo! Weather, Yahoo! News, Yahoo! Xchange, MSNBC News and more
o
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Media files supported

* Video containers:
o MPEG1/2/4 Elementary (M1V, M2V, M4V)
o MPEG1/2 PS (M2P, MPG)
o MPEG2 Transport Stream (TS, TP, TRP, M2T, M2TS, MTS)
o VOB
o AVI, ASF, WMV
o Matroska (MKV)
o AVC HD
o MOV (H.264), MP4, RMP4
o FLV - Flash Video
* Video codecs:
o XVID SD/HD
o MPEG-1
o MPEG-2
+ MP@HL
o MPEG-4.2
+ ASP@L5, 720p, 1-point GMC
o WMV9
+ MP@HL
o H.264
+ BP@L3
+ MP@L4.0
+ HP@L4.0
+ HP@L4.1
o VC-1
+ MP@HL
+ AP@L3
* Audio containers:
o AAC, M4A
o MPEG audio (MP1, MP2, MP3, MPA)
o WAV
o WMA
o FLAC
o OGG
o
* Audio codecs:
o Dolby Digital
o DTS (DTS DownMix Supported)
o WMA, WMA Pro
o AAC
o MP1, MP2, MP3
o LPCM
o FLAC
o Vorbis
* Audio pass through : DTS, Dolby Digital, DTS-HD MA, DTS-HD HR, Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus
* Photo formats : JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF, HD JPEG
* Other formats: ISO, IFO, FLV, RM, RA, RAM
* Subtitle formats : SRT, SMI, SUB, SSA, IDX
* Streaming formats : RTSP, FLV

Chipset

* Realtek 128X (Special Edition)

Memory

* 256MB DDR SDRAM, 32MB Flash

Audio/Video outputs

* HDMI v1.3a (up to 1080p)
* Composite Video
* Stereo Analog Audio
* S/PDIF Optical Digital Audio

Interface

* 1x USB 2.0 slave
* 2x USB 2.0 host
* Internal SATA

Network

* Ethernet 10/100
* WIFI USB Antenna 802.11n (optional)

Power

* 12V DC, 3A

Dimension

* Width 10.5"(180mm) x Depth 1.25" (32mm) x Height 2.25" (82mm)
* Weight
* 2.2 lbs (1Kg)

Package Content

* Xtreamer (HDD not included)
* 100~240V Power Adapter
* 1.5M length HDMI cable (optional)
* WiFi 802.11n USB Antenna (optional)
* Audio & Video Cables
* Remote Control with 2 "AAA" batteries
* USB Slave cable
* Quick start guide

Source: Xtreamer website - Specs (http://xtreamer.net/89/content-pages/Specs.aspx)

Chipset: Realtek 128X (Special Edition)

'The RTD128X is a highly integrated SoC for Consumer Electronics products requiring High Definition Media Playback, Wireless/Wired Networking, and Mass Storage capabilities. The Xtreamer, while incorporating flexible, advanced audio/video processor, enables cost-effective consumer solutions for those who seek a solid yet scalable media streamer.'

Source: Xtreamer website - Specs (http://xtreamer.net/95/content-pages/Chipset.aspx)

Performance Capabilities

12-Bit Color**
Smoothest Gradation of Colors
Greater cable capacity for support of 12-bit color, also called Deep Color, available from advanced HD sources and displays. Greater color depth, from 8-bit to 12-bit, allows more detailed gradations of individual colors for the display of billions of colors.

x.v.Color

Extended Color Range
Ideal for advanced HDTVs with xvYCC color, also called x.v.Color. x.v.Color widens the number of available colors for 1.8 times more colors than standard RGB.

Source: Xtreamer Knowledge Base - Does the Xtreamer support true full HD ? (http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=80)

This was posted recently in the Xtreamer forums by the admin:

Q: Does the Xtreamer support any image/video enhancement features like Upscaling, Deinterlacing

A: Yes it can. You have to remember that Realtek chipsets are usually a lot better at handling the picture quality than Sigma products. And the Xtreamer runs on a very special chip indeed. (XtreamerAdmin)

Source: Xtreamer forums (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=73)

This claim was reportedly also underscored in an email to customer:

thank you for your email

realtek 1283(x) is better than sigma 8654 or even 8655.

its better in picture quality
it has more memory bandwidth
and it has DTS Downmix

Mvix is the biggest in the industry of mediaplayer. much bigger than all other names. we did not pay attention until now for online market.

now we do with xtreamer ...

Sincerely,
Xtreamer.net Customer Support"

Source: NMT Forums (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=23101&page=10)

There have been a lot of comparison threads asking whether the Xtreamer should be bought versus some other brand and model. I figured it would be useful to have one thread dedicated to this player where people could post and find reviews and useful information and also discuss the product. So here we are.

The Xtreamer product is kind of curious. It promises to do a heck of a lot at the low price of 99 euros (including DTS downmix). The product won't be in store, only available for direct sale. There isn't a lot of information yet available, mostly only what the sales people at Xtreamer are promising (which is a lot).

What does everyone (especially seasoned AVS vets) think about this new player?

MPC Club:

I probably overlook some additional comments like the fan noise and other stuff I could come up with as a conclusion, fact is, for €99 this is a superb value and the firmware at this level in many ways is more mature than most players released before. Xtreamer obviously made a decent attempt at tuning the interface to an easy and appealing one, even though it overloaded it with its own logos on every page, too much for me. Other than the copy section, the interface was convenient and fine. I would like to see the file manager be enhanced to have more files listed.

Certainly to an extend we agree this product is more than just a WDTV competitor… It competes with much more than that and has plenty of potential yet unused to grow further. Let’s concentrate on that part… Simply amazing, yet needs additional work. Kudos to Xtreamer as I never felt I was handling an "only €99" player. It’s actually worth more but just so you know, me saying so is no reason to raise the price, ok?

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Ordered one today, was a customer number #582, so it means people are grabbing this little device quite seriously.

Was planning on waiting for some reviews, but got scared by this "less than 300 units left" massage. :)

I am quite sure there will be bugs, but I figure, it really cannot be worse than WDTV, so we will see.

Ordered one today, was a customer number #582, so it means people are grabbing this little device quite seriously.

Was planning on waiting for some reviews, but got scared by this "less than 300 units left" massage. :)

I am quite sure there will be bugs, but I figure, it really cannot be worse than WDTV, so we will see.

Same here. I'm in the early #500s. Ordered last night when I saw the stock warning. Presumably that means there are not much more than 200 units (if that) left in the first shipment at this point. Can't wait to unbox and review it. Hopefully it kicks WDTV's ass.

If this thing is bug free, then it's definitely going to be the best on the market. Incredible features. Can't wait for the first reviews.

just being it a wireless ..the xtreamer for me in this price is a "market killer"

i am sure it will be improved in time also.

i am order #236, my freind orderd today his order #621. wow this toy is rocking !!!

i saw today also the announcemnet for the new c-200 of popcornhour. i could not be convinced more i made the right decision to buy this little one.

My main problem was anyway explain my wife why we should spend $400 or more for the C-200 while the xtreamer can do most for 1/4 of the price.

Once this cutie will arrive and i will meet its expectations to play my MKV file and H.264, my Tvix and PCH are going on sale on ebay.

you are comparing the pch c200 with xtreamer???????

two totally different products

all cars have 4 wheels....and??? why by a ferrari if you could buy a vw :D

If this thing is bug free, then it's definitely going to be the best on the market. Incredible features. Can't wait for the first reviews.

agreed :)

you are comparing the pch c200 with xtreamer???????

two totally different products

all cars have 4 wheels....and??? why by a ferrari if you could buy a vw :D

agreed, but in this case for sure xtreamer is the ferrari and the pch c200 is vw,

Does anyone knows the specs of the files Xtreamer is playing?

The movie 300.2006.1080p.bluray.x264.sample-hv.mkv
The movie Transformers.2007.1080p.bluray.DTS.x264-HDLIFE.mkv

How many reframes they have?
How high is the bitrate they have?

That can give a image of the power of the chip and the firmware...

http://www.xtreamer.net/Files/300_notice.jpg

Looks like they really had around 800 of them and they are now almost gone.
Last chance to gamble guys. :cool:

I may be in the minority here, but i'm gonna wait for the first reviews even if i have to wait for the third or forth batch to be available.

/Made this mistake in the past
//not trading my WD TV in for an even bigger POS.

Yep, smart move. Would do the same myself, but I decided to also test this "ultra fast" new 802.11n WIFI , so I also ordered two antennas to make a network, and it helps that one of them is given as a gift with pre-order.

No thumbnails..... no good!

http://www.xtreamer.net/Files/300_notice.jpg

Looks like they really had around 800 of them and they are now almost gone.
Last chance to gamble guys. :cool:

I love my WDTV, but all these build-in features with Network connection, DTS downmix support, Movie Jukebox is unbeatable that i ordered No. #747.
I hope only that the picture quality is at least equal to the Sigma chipset

No thumbnails..... no good!

eh, thumbnails are the last thing I worry about.
What we dont realize yet is that this little box will be open source which means that half a year from now, there will be hundreds of mods. Everything and anything humanly possible, especially some trivial visual features like thumbnails and different skins. If this first batch of units delivers even close to what has been promised, than soon Xtreamer will have a community as big as PCH.

What I worry about is stuttering, freezing, picture quality, overheating, booting problems, remote control problems, etc, etc..

agreed, but in this case for sure xtreamer is the ferrari and the pch c200 is vw,

Probably want to hold off crowning any player the king until we get some got real world feedback... Considering you can turn the PCH C-200 into a full fledged Blu Ray player, I think it would be more accurate to compare the Xtreamer against the A-110.

I mentioned this elsewhere, but there were some thoughts on the networkedmediatank site that Xtreamer basically copied verbatim content from their site (http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=23101&pid=195801#pid195801), start at post #35. Don't know the validity of this but if true that doesn't sit too well with me. What do you guys think, could this be a potential issue, or if the Xtreamer does exactly what it claims them who gives a $hit???

Had a few Q&A's excerpted from an email exchange with Xtreamer support (I've had two emails sent back to me within 90 minutes) and here's what I've learned:

FT2009: What is the CPU speed of the Xtreamer or chipset inside?
XTREAMER: "Realtek 1283(x) it is a special project of unicorn-Realtek with better specs to the [Sigma] SMP8654 [chipset]"

FT2009: Have you provided any Xtreamer's to websites for review? Which ones? (Gizmodo? Engadget? other?) When can we expect the first reviews to become available and public? (Will it be before the shipping date of July 1st?)
XTREAMER: "Many reviews are coming. We are here to stay for long."

FT2009: How many Reference Frames can the Xtreamer handle smoothly? (With the WDTV for instance it has been criticized by some for its inability to play anything smoothly with over 4 rf or Reference Frames)
XTREAMER: "the Xtreamer is much better in video and pix qulaity than the WDTV." (sic.)

FT2009: Does it play H. 264 HP@L5.1 video? (It is a spec outside Blu-ray/HD DVD, sometimes people find videos encoded by amateurs or people who don't know that L4.1 is the appropriate profile.)
XTREAMER: "We believe should be no problem to play H. 264 HP@L5.1"

EDIT: I tried to nail them down on more specifics on all Q's. Especially 1-3, however Xtreamer support declined to entertain me further, giving me the brush off..

XTREAMER: "We are flooded with 100s of emails and question from all parts of the world and simply cannot answer all at length as required from us. We are overwhelmed with the amount of attention the Xtreamer has gathered in such a short time. we will be happy to be at your service in the future."

EDIT2: (Peristence pays off!) Another email, just got the FIRST CONCRETE INFO on when and where to expect the first Xtreamer review! (Question #2)

"We will ask marketing department to handle your inquiry. we do know the first to have a review will be MPC CLUB (http://www.mpcclub.com/) as we highly appreciate its unbiased objective reviews. most reviews will be published within couple of weeks. we have no control and cannot say a date."

Found this on MPC Club (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=776):

Posted on Wednesday, June 03 @ 08:30:00 CEST by Hi-Jack

This should frown quite a few eye brows as to how any brand can achieve to bring a media player with just about all the features we need into a single €99 device as that's what the new Xtreamer is target to be. Based on the RealTek 128X (RTD128X) chip the unit combines SD and HD playback including MKV and HD Audio support and comes standard with 256MB memory (no Blu-ray support). Optional wireless LAN (€20 extra) offers up to 802.11N in addition to the standard 10/100 RJ45 socket for network streaming over UPnP or Samba. What's most astonishing is the size of the unit with only 18cm width, 3.2cm depth and 8cm height. It surely seems to become a "David vs. Goliath" competition. Even with this size, the unit supports internal hard drive (2.5") and can be used as external hard drive or approached by FTP. Whether the internal drive supports read and write NTFS is unknown, I do hope so as Linux formats are such a hassle for PC users. Click on "read more" for the full story.

Now, there's a little catch as to how such affordable product can even be made. The unit will be sold only online so not thru retailers saving on expenses and margins in different steps. In addition, several companies invested money in this project including MViX, Unicorn, Realtek and EMS. Development takes place by RD teams in Korea, Taiwan and Israel. The official target of this project is clearly beating the WDTV on all fronts adding MKV and FLAC support and network support, both wireless and fixed.

Our contacts promised a sample within a few weeks from now so we can have a look at what is announced as a killer. Surely we expect few limitations for this money (like no NFS maybe or limited sources for network usage), however the price will make up for a lot. The size makes it ideal as a travel companion, a second player around the house or even as the main living room entertainment jukebox if it can convince me of doing the job well. On paper so far, it looks on track to be a killer for some more expensive alternatives and looks like simplifying things for the novice users.

Ok so it's interesting to note that it appears MPC Club is first on deck for reviews.

edit: Thanks for the clarification on the extraneous parts of the post Afrsa!

Found this on MPC Club (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=776):



Ok so it's interesting to note that it appears MPC Club is first on deck for reviews.

I did a spit-take when I saw them in their preview state (I believe erroneously) that the Xtreamer doesn't do DTS Downmix. I have noted this quote in red. I believe it to be a mistake by the author. I have put it to Xtreamer Support for further clarification.

See the next post from Hi-Jack: ;)

xTreamer, the player that aws many readers has DTS down mix support. only that already brings it ahead of several other players so if the navigation on the player, handling and support for files is good compared to it's cost below €100, this will be a "killer" and not one of those that have been announced by many before. The WDTV's most often commented lacking features include proper media support and network functionality... The xTreamer might be what the WDTV wanted to be. Let's not get ahead of ourselves though and wait until our first "hands on" with the player is history. We'll tell you all about it soon... Good already is xTreamer releasing big chunks of code into public so the community can possibly enhance parts of the xTreamer... MPC surely has caused a flood at xTreamer for requests and inquiries after launching the news... They seem so happy at the time that all pre-orders get a free USB Wlan antenna included worth €20. Off course, there's no one currently able to tell you the product is any good. You decide to take the plunge or wait for MPC's review / hand's on. Hence... what's a little risk in life... Read up on two interesting articles below...

http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14
http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6

That's again all for now...
There's more to come soon, for sure :-)

Enjoy
Hi-Jack

I ordered #655 yesterday. Hope this thing is good. The only other media streamer that looks good to me is the Yuixx, since the gui looks like xbmc with aeon. of course, for the price they are stating the yuixx will cost, I could build an ion box that runs the real xbmc :/

Xtreamer support wrote me. They are watching this thread. They don't "appreciate" the posting of their answers or my cowboy "independent forum reporter" ways. (Even though I'm fairly certain the majority of what I've written here and relayed to you has been published elsewhere.)

(Xtreamer - No offense intended, there's just not much information out there for a product launching in 13 days. Just trying to help spread information... Geez..)

Apparently someone is going to contact me "regarding my order", which sounds kind of ominous given the tone and context of their email... I hope I don't get whacked.

Perhaps this is what they meant by building unique client relationships with the 'community'.. :rolleyes: You have to admit, a business that doesn't want what it says published in the community forums is definitely unique.

Xtreamer support wrote me. They are watching this thread. They don't "appreciate" the posting of their answers or my cowboy "independent forum reporter" ways. (Even though I'm fairly certain the majority of what I've written here and relayed to you has been published elsewhere.)

(Xtreamer - No offense intended, there's just not much information out there for a product launching in 13 days. Just trying to help spread information... Geez..)

Apparently someone is going to contact me "regarding my order", which sounds kind of ominous given the tone and context of their email... I hope I don't get whacked.

Perhaps this is what they meant by building unique client relationships with the 'community'.. :rolleyes: You have to admit, a business that doesn't want what it says published in the community forums is definitely unique.



A company that threatens their costumers for posting information on media forums. That's really off putting, I'd hate to have a problem with my media player and have to deal with that attitude.


Why would they tell you the information in the first place, if it was a closely guarded secret that they didn't want you telling anyone about?

I understand that now things like, "We believe should be no problem to play H. 264 HP@L5.1" and "Realtek 1283(x) it is a special project of unicorn-Realtek with better specs to the [Sigma] SMP8654 [chipset]".

Are made public and it may not have been their invent to have this information made public yet. Also, it could be that it builds expectations of having HP@L5.1 that they don't have yet.


......But it's the company's employees job to keep their mouths shut not yours.

......................Unless.....Did you cross your heart pinky swear not to tell!?!?!......You Bastard

A company that threatens their costumers for posting information on media forums. That's really off putting, I'd hate to have a problem with my media player and have to deal with that attitude.

Why would they tell you the information in the first place, if it was a closely guarded secret that they didn't want you telling anyone about?

......But it's the company's employees job to keep their mouths shut not yours.


Funny.. I just made those same points to them in a response email. :rolleyes:

......................Unless.....Did you cross your heart pinky swear not to tell!?!?!......You Bastard
NO.. but I did cross my heart and hope to die. ;);) :rolleyes:

Funny.. I just made those same points to them in a response email. :rolleyes:


NO.. but I did cross my heart and hope to die. ;);) :rolleyes:

Let us know how it goes, with their response back. As someone who may buy an Xtreamer in the future, it's helpful to hear how a company treats their costumers.

Will this thing do DVD menus?

What we dont realize yet is that this little box will be open source which means that half a year from now, there will be hundreds of mods..

Oh yeah. That's one of the reasons I'm so excited about this little beast. :D

Apparently someone is going to contact me "regarding my order", which sounds kind of ominous given the tone and context of their email... I hope I don't get whacked.


They do call this unit a "killer" ;)

Looks like MPC-Club will be 'dormant' for next 3 weeks or so (Hi-Jack is going on a break)

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=783

If MPC Club is expected to carry the 1st review for Xtreamer, it will be only after the first batch shipping date, I guess. Hopefully Xtreamer has sent units to other review sites too.

A company that threatens their costumers for posting information on media forums. That's really off putting, I'd hate to have a problem with my media player and have to deal with that attitude.

I don't think they were threatening anyone. I suppose they are a worried about unnecessary badmouthing and probably concerned that some of their competitors would send their trolls to blast them on the Net.

Whether the internal drive supports read and write NTFS is unknown, I do hope so as Linux formats are such a hassle for PC users.

This is what interests me. I'd love to get rid of EXT3.

If MPC Club is expected to carry the 1st review for Xtreamer, it will be only after the first batch shipping date, I guess. Hopefully Xtreamer has sent units to other review sites too.

Confirmed. Here's what Hi-Jack wrote in an email regarding the status of the Xtreamer review, whether he has one, and what to expect:

We neither have the unit or a shipping date from xtsreamer so far. In general though I believe people should not expect the all in one wonder but expect a similar product like an NMT for very low cost and very small in size. Somewhat the WDTV with networking and HD support... No more, no less...

Details can only be given after we seen the player and this will certainly not be before the first of July since we are on leave until the 3rd of July and not concudt any reviews in the upcoming weeks. There's also 9 different products in the pipeline for us too look at upon our return and we handle a first come first serve basis too...

EDIT: It sounds like the MPC guy has a lot on his plate. If MPC is supposed to be the first to review the Xtreamer and as they say it isn't even there yet, with 9 other products to review upon their return July 3rd, it could mean that some of the first reviews we see about this unit will in fact come from forum members or customers who have ordered.

it could mean that some of the first reviews we see about this unit will in fact come from forum members or customers who have ordered.

You think that Xtreamer people only sent a unit to MPC?

You think that Xtreamer people only sent a unit to MPC?

I have no idea. I hope not. But I was under the distinct impression MPC would be the first. And MPC says they are off duty until July 3rd and even then they have 9 other products in the pipeline (whereas the Xtreamer hasn't arrived yet and MPC has no expected shipping date.)

Wow.. this is some shady ****..

Xtreamer.net - Tracking Shipments (http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=46)

[2]As soon as your item(s) have shipped, we'll send you a Shipment Notification email that includes the carrier's name and a tracking number, if available. You can also view this information by signing in to online. ... [1]You'll see your order number, the date and time the order was placed, the status of the order, estimated shipping and delivery dates, the shipping method, and package tracking information for items that have shipped. If you choose to view the order details of an order, you'll see additional information including any gift messaging, product engraving, product customization, and more.

Apple.com (http://store.apple.com/us/help/viewing_changing_orders)

[1]You’ll see your order number, the date and time the order was placed, the status of the order, estimated shipping and delivery dates, the shipping method, and package tracking information for items that have shipped. If you choose to view the order details of an order, you’ll see additional information including any gift messaging, product engraving, product customization, and more. ... [2]As soon as your item(s) have shipped, we’ll send you a Shipment Notification email that includes the carrier’s name and a tracking number, if available. You can also view this information by signing in to online Order Status.

Anyone else's spidey senses tingling? Or maybe we really can have our Xtreamer engraved, customized, and more!

Well, the way it looks to me now, we may just as well forget about reviews for the near future. It appears they havent send any units yet, so the logic here is that they are still working on it, on FW.

They are already overwhelmed by community feedback and inevitably there must have been some points made that they didnt consider previously.

My guess is they will dispatch testing samples only days before first batch goes out to us, so at the end of this month.
It also says delivery time is 10-15 days so it is totally possible we will receive our units only around 15th of july, therefore plenty of time for official reviews to come in during this waiting period.

Anyone else's spidey senses tingling? Or maybe we really can have our Xtreamer engraved, customized, and more!

Yes, it appears there was lots of copy/paste going on allover the site, also lots of spelling mistakes, but I personally dont blame the guy...Especially if only one guy is behind the whole site creation. The site is huge, so many information and I know if I were creating it, I would try to copy/paste myself, as much as possible. :eek:

But you are right, it does spoil the mood somehow.

Especially if only one guy is behind the whole site creation. .

One guy? As far as I know there are some major hitters involved in this project. Unicorn, Realtek etc...

One guy? As far as I know there are some major hitters involved in this project. Unicorn, Realtek etc...

It's an interesting point. There have been lots of names thrown around about who has backed this project. But it's not clear if that was only in terms of the technology they contributed to making the project possible in R&D, or whether those big hitters are involved with the marketing, promotion and support of the product or have a stake in it's success.

Apparently Xtreamer is fronted by a company called MVIX, but given that Xtreamer support seems so overwhelmed at a crucial launch period, its website and support emails with relatively poor presentation value, consistently written in the same fractured english with spelling mistakes or excessive copy and paste, and its unprofessional approach to customer relations (i.e. making information public and then complaining about it to a customer) it's understandable why one might pause to wonder just how much staff is actually behind the Xtreamer website and if it isn't just one or two guys.

no no, I am talking about their web site designer.

to wonder just how much staff behind the Xtreamer and if it isn't just one or two guys.

Well, I was talking to them on shop live support on two occasions in a period of ~5 minutes and both times different person picked up. It looked professional, polite and serious .

Yes, it appears there was lots of copy/paste going on allover the site, also lots of spelling mistakes, but I personally dont blame the guy...Especially if only one guy is behind the whole site creation. The site is huge, so many information and I know if I were creating it, I would try to copy/paste myself, as much as possible. :eek:

But you are right, it does spoil the mood somehow.

Huh, so if you hire a webmaster to create a site for your company, and all he does is just copy/paste (basically plagiarize) then it is ok because he is only one person??? They are coming out with a "killer/innovative" product yet they can't even manage to come up with their own material on their website??? I don't know how anyone can think this is ok...

@fourtwenty2009 - you have done a good job with this thread, keep it up. If the Xtreamer does everything that is being promised then the unit will sell itself, people will buy these in a heartbeat. Shady behavior by companies, especially over forums they do not own, has gotta make you wonder...

They are coming out with a "killer/innovative" product yet they can't even manage to come up with their own material on their website???

There is plenty of their material on their site also. I am just saying I am not that picky, I care more about the quality of product then about spelling mistakes.

Besides, in this particular given case where it seems they copied from apple, it is quite possible they really didnt. It is about delivery and tracking business, so it is quite possible that UPS company provided them with this info, to be thorough, exact and precise.

There is plenty of their material on their site also. I am just saying I am not that picky, I care more about the quality of product then about spelling mistakes.

Besides, in this particular given case where it seems they copied from apple, it is quite possible they really didnt. It is about delivery and tracking business, so it is quite possible that UPS company provided them with this info, to be thorough, exact and precise.

That's a bit of a stretch. They have allegedly also lifted things from the NMT forums too. And if you take parts [1] or [2] of the one quote I supplied and google them you'll see it only appears on Apple websites.

I care most about the quality of product too, but presentation is also part of that quality IMHO. What's the value of a brand that can't even be bothered to make its own websites or web pages (let alone make them presentable)? Instead using a patchwork of other people's words and ideas to create a brand or image for itself? It's pretty friggin' lazy and I don't like it, to be truthful. I don't think most other people here do either. It doesn't show a lot of respect for their own brand, product, or customers IMHO.

I didn't mean to start this raging debate on plagerism, but as a customer I went to look for some information and saw the quote about 'ENGRAVING' and it really stuck out like a sore thumb that whoever wrote this page clearly didn't think it was worth the time to write it themselves or even proof read it to make sure it was relevant to their product.

But hey, having said all of that and shelled out for the player already I'm with most of you who are just hoping it lives up to expectations. I hope the final product is worth all of this corner cutting.

But hey, having said all of that and shelled out for the player already I'm with most of you who are just hoping it lives up to expectations. I hope the final product is worth all of this corner cutting.

Since I've already ordered one I decided to ignore all the other stuff and homed on that last paragraph. :)

Wow.. this is some shady ****..





Anyone else's spidey senses tingling? Or maybe we really can have our Xtreamer engraved, customized, and more!




If you don't mind my asking.


Where on the apple website did you find same quote?

Where on the apple website did you find same quote?

The link was in the quote bubble at the top of each quote, this is the link: http://store.apple.com/us/help/viewing_changing_orders

The link was in the quote bubble at the top of each quote, this is the link: http://store.apple.com/us/help/viewing_changing_orders

Sorry I'm blind I just saw "Apple.com" didn't think it was a link. :D

Thanks

From the same page:

Xtreamer: "As soon as your item(s) have shipped, we'll send you a Shipment Notification email that includes the carrier's name and a tracking number, if available. You can also view this information by signing in to online. Just visit online UPS Tracking page and provide the package number we provided you by email to get a summary of orders placed in the past 18 months. "




Apple: "As soon as your item(s) have shipped, we’ll send you a Shipment Notification email that includes the carrier’s name and a tracking number, if available. You can also view this information by signing in to online Order Status. If you ordered multiple items, you may receive separate shipments."

That's pretty lame, plagiarizing. But if you think about it the product itself seems to be a reaction to all the other existing products out there, so why would you expect their web site to be any different?

What the heck, in for one! Order #786!

This little unit seems to be the holy grail in my quest for the "perfect" portable media player:

- portable form factor
- internal 2.5" HDD capable
- ethernet + WLAN support
- plays pretty much any codec out there, including AVCHD
- DVD menu support
- NAS capable
- open source
- cheap!

Does anyone happen to know the names that are said to be part of the Xtreamer project?

Realtek, Unicorn media? Anyone else?



Anywhere on there site do they claim to have worked with realtek or unicorn?

Hmmm, something's not right with these dimensions:

# Width 10.5"(180mm) x Depth 1.25" (32mm) x Height 2.25" (82mm)

10.5" = 266mm
2.25" = 57mm



So what are the real specs??

Check it out! http://www.xtreamer.net/ was just updated with a slick intro video that pops up on loading the main site. (It can also be accessed again at any point by clicking 'TV Promo' at the top of the Xtreamer.net website.)

Nice job Xtreamer! Great promo and the product is looking good!

Check it out! http://www.xtreamer.net/ was just updated with a slick intro video that pops up on loading the main site. (It can also be accessed again at any point by clicking 'TV Promo' at the top of the Xtreamer.net website.)

Nice job Xtreamer! Great promo and the product is looking good!

A lot of your posts are edited. Can you confirm that you are the one editing?
:D
Don't suppose that they are being censored, or that mysterious person in orders has "offered" a free unit for some "good" wording ??

Just joking, keep us posted. :)
Cheers

A lot of your posts are edited. Can you confirm that you are the one editing?
:D
Don't suppose that they are being censored, or that mysterious person in orders has "offered" a free unit for some "good" wording ??

Just joking, keep us posted. :)
Cheers

Yeah it's me. A lot of times I'll re-edit a post because I want to make sure I'm using the right words, that I can correct typos, or improve the flow of the post for people who are reading it -- and above all, so that I am communicating clearly in an easy to read fashion.

haha unlike a certain website I believe in proof-reading and spellcheck. Zing! ;)

Yeah it's me. A lot of times I'll re-edit a post because I want to make sure I'm using the right words, that I can correct typos, or improve the flow of the post for people who are reading it -- and above all, so that I am communicating clearly in an easy to read fashion.

haha unlike a certain website I believe in proof-reading and spellcheck. Zing! ;)

So, your posts about the copy and paste of Apply content got me a little bit more curious about the Xtreamer, and the validity of their claims.




So my curiosity getting the best of me I emailed Divx, Realtek, Dts, Dolby to inquire about the licenses Xtreamer claims to have.

In Realtek's case, to ask if they are part of the project, and if they truly make a "Realtek 128X (Special Edition)" and if they supplied them to Xtreamer. :)

(If they do make one, I asked if they could tell me the specs of the chip.)



Lets hope I can reply emails with good info! :D

DVD Menu Support:


1.While the Xtreamer is designed to play most popular media files and formats of movies and music you can find in the internet for download somtime you will come across a DVD that that you want to play in its original structure. The Xtreamer is the simplest unit to play and store your entire DVD collection in one digital Ultra portable place.

2.Backing up and playing DVD files is an extremely simple process with Xtreamer Media Players. All you have to do is to transfer all your DVD files (.VOB and .IFO) from your DVD to your Xtreamer HDD. Put all of these files in one folder (e.g. name of the movie/video).

Once all these files are in a folder on the Xtreamer, simply connect the Xtreamer to you TV and navigate to enter the folder. Select "Play" and the movie will start exactly like your DVD. You can use the DVD menus to choose languages/subtitles, etc., just like a DVD playback.

Another simpler way to for playing DVD's, and the way to playback using the Xtreamer: Just select and play the first file, VIDEO_TS.IFO. If you have built your DVD structure correctly, it should play just fine with all menus and features.

Alternatively, you can also create an ISO image of your DVD. Xtreamer Media Players support ISO playback also!

Not sure what the rush is...Patience people...Give it some time and let's see how the reviews turn out

DVD Menu Support:


1.While the Xtreamer is designed to play most popular media files and formats of movies and music you can find in the internet for download somtime you will come across a DVD that that you want to play in its original structure. The Xtreamer is the simplest unit to play and store your entire DVD collection in one digital Ultra portable place.

2.Backing up and playing DVD files is an extremely simple process with Xtreamer Media Players. All you have to do is to transfer all your DVD files (.VOB and .IFO) from your DVD to your Xtreamer HDD. Put all of these files in one folder (e.g. name of the movie/video).

Once all these files are in a folder on the Xtreamer, simply connect the Xtreamer to you TV and navigate to enter the folder. Select "Play" and the movie will start exactly like your DVD. You can use the DVD menus to choose languages/subtitles, etc., just like a DVD playback.

Another simpler way to for playing DVD's, and the way to playback using the Xtreamer: Just select and play the first file, VIDEO_TS.IFO. If you have built your DVD structure correctly, it should play just fine with all menus and features.

Alternatively, you can also create an ISO image of your DVD. Xtreamer Media Players support ISO playback also!

Wow !!!
And I assume that you are affiliated with Xtreamer?

A lot of advertising but no product - yet. :confused:

Lets wait and see :)

Ah..
Just got the drift. WDTV hasn't got its DVD menu support yet.
But still,
Xtreamer 0
WDTV 0

Wasn't advertising, just posting something in response to a question someone else had and something I was wondering myself.

Wow !!!
And I assume that you are affiliated with Xtreamer?

A lot of advertising but no product - yet. :confused:

Lets wait and see :)

Ah..
Just got the drift. WDTV hasn't got its DVD menu support yet.
But still,
Xtreamer 0
WDTV 0

I agree, it is great to see hype around a product but it is really hard to read people talking about Xtreamer doing this and that when there is no basis for those claims. Once the Xtreamer gets into the hands of real people and we start getting some real world feedback we will have plenty of time to make a decision. I really hope the Xtreamer follows through on its claims, as the bar has been set very high...

Things are getting interesting...someone on the Xtreamer forums pointed out that the device looks identical to the MvixMCE. Go to Mvix.net and click on the MvixMCE link. (This is my second post so I can't post the direct-link.)

Things are getting interesting...someone on the Xtreamer forums pointed out that the device looks identical to the MvixMCE. Go to Mvix.net and click on the MvixMCE link. (This is my second post so I can't post the direct-link.)

here: http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=117

and this is the post for those that don't want to make the jump:



When clicking the MvixMCE on
http://www.mvix.net/
it looks like the same .. and the Mvix Movie Jukebox screenshots look similar to the ones from the Xtreamer
http://www.mvix.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1136

Ok, we already know that the Xtreamer is a product by Mvix Europe, so it seems that it's a rebranded MvixMCE. But i don't find any reviews or further infos on this device too, 'cause it is also just announced ..

Things are getting interesting...someone on the Xtreamer forums pointed out that the device looks identical to the MvixMCE. Go to Mvix.net and click on the MvixMCE link. (This is my second post so I can't post the direct-link.)

Hmmm....definitely looks very similar. It doesn't appear to be on sale yet. The GUI looks different then the Xtreamer (at least from the screenshots)

Well it is known that the Xtreamer was being produced by MVIX, considering the storefront is operated by MVIX Europe.... How good or bad is MVIX?

Here is a picture from the front of: http://mvixmce.net/

The MvixMCE:

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4815/indexsd.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/indexsd.jpg/)




The Xtreamer:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6782/xtreamerimageweb.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/xtreamerimageweb.jpg/)

Assuming that the Xtreamer and the MvixMCE are "closely related" what benefit would there be to basically rebrand one of your own devices? Is this just a marketing gimmick, I mean how many people have heard of the MvixMCE?

Is this a bad thing? Well known company is backing it. It means we can expect quality, right?

Is this a bad thing? Well known company is backing it. It means we can expect quality, right?

I wonder if one of the key differences will be that Xtreamer is open source/community supported whereas MViX is not (?)

I'm not personally claiming the it's a negative or a positive.

I simply find it interesting, and I'm sure others do as well, that the two products look identical (In my opinion).

Knowing this if the MvixMCE had been out and has reviews of it already available we could have read those reviews. :) Sadly I havn't been able to find any.






(Edit) I'm sure if someone was so inclined they could email Mvix and ask them is they are officially backing the Xtreamer, and if it's the same product as thier MvixMCE. Letting them know your are apprehensive to buy the product, but with the backing and design from a company such as theirs it would ease your mind. :)

I'm not personally claiming the it's a negative or a positive.

I simply find it interesting, and I'm sure others do as well, that the two products look identical (In my opinion).

Knowing this if the MvixMCE had been out and has reviews of it already available we could have read those reviews. :) Sadly I havn't been able to find any.



They look identical, but according to the specs the MvixMCE supports 3.5" drives whereas the Xtreamer supports 2.5" HDDs. Because of this information, one would expect the Xtreamer to be more compact.

They look identical, but according to the specs the MvixMCE supports 3.5" drives whereas the Xtreamer supports 2.5" HDDs. Because of this information, one would expect the Xtreamer to be more compact.

Apparently only the picture changes showing the unit, and the rest of the page is static.
So that 3.5" could be for any one of their products
Could be an oem with the Mvix and Xtreamer badges on them.
Strange that a company releases 2 identical units with different names and characteristics. That is off coarse if they are the same. They look the same anyway.

It's a pity companies go all the way from R&D to production, and at the very end where they present the final product they screw up
Cheers

They look identical, but according to the specs the MvixMCE supports 3.5" drives whereas the Xtreamer supports 2.5" HDDs. Because of this information, one would expect the Xtreamer to be more compact.

What specs? The text under the shown models, including the 3,5" phrase on the Mvix homepage, remains the same for every presented model.. maybe it's a failure.

Here the movie jukebox comparison:

http://i44.tinypic.com/35mo3df.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/2i1cf49.jpg

(funny, the original file from Mvix is called Yamj1.jpg ;))

Ok, the normal MvixMCE GUI-view is another (i don't mean the Jukebox) .. but to be honest, the Xtreamer GUI looks much better to me


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EDIT: sda_gr, you were faster replying

Well it is known that the Xtreamer was being produced by MVIX, considering the storefront is operated by MVIX Europe.... How good or bad is MVIX?
I've used a MVIX 760HD (older sigma chip-no h264 support) for 2 years mainly for HD MPEG 2, DVR transfers and it functions as advertised and has never failed. Support questions were always answered. Playback on a 40 inch SONY Bravia is identical to HD broadcast. Had no problems with component connections but as with any brand, many pros and cons on the MVIX Community USA forum. More recently, using WDTV and am on the list for Xtreamer. Overall, no complaints with MVIX.

So, fourtwenty2009, how did you get yourself banned from the nmt forums?:)

So, fourtwenty2009, how did you get yourself banned from avforums?

...very carefully? ;)

Actually, I've never posted on AVForums, although I do lurk. You must be thinking about the NMT forums, and it was for discussing the Xtreamer with other members in the "Offtopic - Anything Goes" section of the NMT forums.

As it turns out this section of the forums was named poorly, as the NMT forum mods didn't take kindly to my stirring up discussion about the competition on what they said were 'NMT/PCH sponsored' forums. Despite numerous other devices being discussed in similar threads at the time, I guess there was a limit to 'anything goes' discussion, especially when seen as a threat to their bottom line. :rolleyes: Good riddance.

The only reason I was in that forum discussing Xtreamer in the first place was because it was one of the few and first Google hits with any type of relevant discussion to the player that seemed to be current. Now we have this thread, and there's no better forum for AV enthusiasts to freely discuss things about this product and other products without prejudiced or biased mod's with vested interests interfering.

Whether the internal drive supports read and write NTFS is unknown, I do hope so as Linux formats are such a hassle for PC users.

This is what interests me. I'd love to get rid of EXT3.
Check this out:
www.xtreamer.net/124/content-pages/Supported-Formats.aspx

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And according to the Mvix thing: some speculations from a portuguese board (htforum.com) mention, that the MvixMCE might be the original product and was discontinued after signing for other partnerships to develop the project xtreamer. Though the MvixMCE might not be shown on international Mvix Websites (and has a crap gui on mvix.net). Also found some info on hometheater.co.il, but didn't understood the translation correct .. something about developers in israel, turkey and russia, but i'm not sure about that.

Other speculations tell that xtreamer is for the european market only, but if you look in the mvix forum you see support in european languages and on the xtreamer page shippment to the U.S. is also stated. And this link leads to an asian supplier offer on the xtreamer: translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://search.china.alibaba.com/search/offer_search.htm%3Fkeywords%3Dxtreamer&prev=hp

Is this a bad thing? Well known company is backing it. It means we can expect quality, right?

indeed and they are not trying to hide this: information from their forum

The Xtreamer was designed and manufactured by the joint effort of Unicorn-Mvix, Zyxel and Realtek and other vendors. each contributed its knowledge in a joint Korean-China-Taiwanese effort to come up with a device that will be both attractive in terms of price and specs.

So i think they know what they are talking about.

Xtreamer TV Promo (YouTube) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9DW2NdLai8

(Same one that went on their front page tonight.)

I'm using firefox 3 and I can't get the new video popup on their front page to close :P

I'm using firefox 3 and I can't get the new video popup on their front page to close :P

Same here. EDIT: Found a workaround for now, click on one of the top menu headings in the background (ie. Specs, Wireless, Compare.. etc.)

EDIT2: Update: Xtreamer has removed the promo from auto-loading on their main page. It can still be found at the top menu by clicking 'TV Promo' or found on YouTube using the links on this page (and also found on page 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155845)) of this thread.

Does anyone knows the specs of the files Xtreamer is playing?

The movie 300.2006.1080p.bluray.x264.sample-hv.mkv
The movie Transformers.2007.1080p.bluray.DTS.x264-HDLIFE.mkv

How many reframes they have?
How high is the bitrate they have?

That can give a image of the power of the chip and the firmware...

Anyone?? This is pretty usefull information... ;)

Thanks ecto.

My interest is definitely piqued. I'll wait for some user first-hand reviews.

Anyone?? This is pretty usefull information... ;)

This file is DXVA compliant -- playable on MPC-HC using ATI 3450 , also with WDTV



Edit (Adding info)
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Even though this is L5.1 H264 stream, the product of the video width and height and the number of reference frames is within the limits of the DXVA specifications.
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End of edit


Video
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 8 frames
Muxing mode : Container profile=Unknown@5.1
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 56mn
Nominal bit rate : 11.8 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.400
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Resolution : 24 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.321
Writing library : x264 core 55 svn-663C
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-4:-4 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=6 / brdo=1 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=2 / deadzone=4,6 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / bime=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=11806 / ratetol=1.0 / rceq='blurCplx^(1-qComp)' / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:0.3:15.0
Language : English

Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 56mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 640 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Surround: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Language : English

Text
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Language : English

[QUOTE=jakmal;16680430]This file is DXVA compliant -- playable on MPC-HC using ATI 3450 , also with WDTV



Edit (Adding info)
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Even though this is L5.1 H264 stream, the product of the video width and height and the number of reference frames is within the limits of the DXVA specifications.
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End of edit


Thx!

So you confirm that this movie plays ok in WD TV?

And the movie Transformers.2007.1080p.bluray.DTS.x264-HDLIFE.mkv

How many reframes it have?
How high is the bitrate it have?

Anyone knows?

I too spotted that the movie jukebox on Xtreamer and Mvix is identical, what worries me is that according to the Mvix forum the movie jukebox is not yet in beta testing, so when will it be available on the Xtreamer?

I am very interested in the Xtreamer and I really hope it performs as promised but I have niggling doubts about it that are stopping me from ordering until I have seen a creditable review.

David

...very carefully? ;)

Actually, I've never posted on AVForums, although I do lurk. You must be thinking about the NMT forums, and it was for discussing the Xtreamer with other members in the "Offtopic - Anything Goes" section of the NMT forums.

As it turns out this section of the forums was named poorly, as the NMT forum mods didn't take kindly to my stirring up discussion about the competition on what they said were 'NMT/PCH sponsored' forums. Despite numerous other devices being discussed in similar threads at the time, I guess there was a limit to 'anything goes' discussion, especially when seen as a threat to their bottom line. :rolleyes: Good riddance.

The only reason I was in that forum discussing Xtreamer in the first place was because it was one of the few and first Google hits with any type of relevant discussion to the player that seemed to be current. Now we have this thread, and there's no better forum for AV enthusiasts to freely discuss things about this product and other products without prejudiced or biased mod's with vested interests interfering.

You can't really blame them for not wanting any posts about a product that is advertised as delivering 80% of what the new PCH does but at a fraction of the price.

David

You can't really blame them for not wanting any posts about a product that is advertised as delivering 80% of what the new PCH does but at a fraction of the price.

David

or 120% of what the a-110 does for half the price. Thinking of pre-ordering the c-200 I went ahead and ordered the xtreamer. Makes more sense.

or 120% of what the a-110 does for half the price. Thinking of pre-ordering the c-200 I went ahead and ordered the xtreamer. Makes more sense.

I wouldn't call the Xtreamer half the price of the a-110. They are pretty close in price.


Popcorn Hour C-200 = 315$ (USD) (Shipped)

Popcorn Hour A-110 = 231$(USD) (Shipped)

Xtreamer = 165$(USD) (Shipped) + 20$ Import tax + 5$ credit card exchange rate charge. Total Cost: 190$ (USD)


So the Xtreamer comes out to be: 125$ less than the C-200 and 41$ less than the A-110.


(Please keep in mind the Import tax and CC fee are rough guesses.)

Well, in Europe , it`s ~240€ for A-110 and 120€ for Xtreamer.

So there u go.

Well, in Europe , it`s ~240€ for A-110 and 120€ for Xtreamer.

So there u go.

How is the A-110 240 Euro?

Popcorn hour A-110 ships to Europe for 250 (USD), which exchange rate comes out to be, 178 (Euro). Which comes out to 58 (Euro) less for the Xtreamer.




(I'm going to guess you have to pay import tax and exchange rate fees like those of us in the states as well. So maybe tack on another 20 euro to have that.)




Edit: However, I do completely agree with you the Xtreamer is a great deal for those of you on the Euro, who don't have to pay exchange fees, import taxes, and have a weaker currency like those of us in the states. Even with all that the Xtreamer still comes out to be 41$ (USD) less than the A-110. But for you guys it's 58 - 78 (Euro) less.

Import taxes are different across EU I guess and it is usually not worth it.
It is just not a standard practice to import from US and there is a good reason for it. I believe I would have to pay around 23% of total taxes , so its already ~220€, plus there are shipment costs in case they are not already included..

And I just checked, I would now get it for 229€ here in a store, still almost twice as much as Xtreamer..

So like u said, it is a perfect price for us in EU, but for US its totally different story, mainly because we are talking about untested product. I would not risk it for that ~40$ difference.

Import taxes are different across EU I guess and it is usually not worth it.
It is just not a standard practice to import from US and there is a good reason for it. I believe I would have to pay around 23% of total taxes , so its already ~220€, plus there are shipment costs in case they are not already included..

And I just checked, I would now get it for 229€ here in a store, still almost twice as much as Xtreamer..

So like u said, it is a perfect price for us in EU, but for US its totally different story, mainly because we are talking about untested product. I would not risk it for that ~40$ difference.


The US is the same, it isn't a flat important. I just got the 20$ (USD) price from what people are reporting being charged to have other players like the Egreat imported to the US. It stinks you guys have to pay such a high import tax for the product.


I do however envy you for being able to get the Xtreamer for so cheap! :D

If I didn't have to pay all the extras jacking the price up to being only a 41$ (USD) less than the A-110 and more importantly 10$ more than the Egreat M34A, I'd have been in the first batch.

However, seeing I can't get it for the cheap price like yourselves I'm going to wait to get feedback from all the people on the forums taking the plunge first. ;) If everything does work out, I'll be in the 2nd or 3rd batch for sure.



I agree with your assessment of the player, if it delivers on it's promises, it seems to offer more than the PCH A-110, and only a little less than the new C-200.

I live in the US and I didn't get charged any kind of import tax.. it was like $169 after shipping and I got the free wifi antenna as a gift

I live in the US and I didn't get charged any kind of import tax.. it was like $169 after shipping and I got the free wifi antenna as a gift

Import Tax isn't up front.....you get a bill in the mail a few months later.

What happens is the shipping company has to pay a fee when it enters customs. They pay the fee for you and bill you plus a little transaction fee for paying it.





Edit: (I am in no way saying this is going to be what happens with the Xtreamers. I have simply seen previous post where people were confused about why they received a bill from the shipping company, when they ordered an item from another country.)

Import Tax isn't up front.....you get a bill in the mail a few months later.

Sounds like you should change your address within the next few months :D

Via Xtreamer's Website:

Your packages may be subject to the customs fees and import duties of the country to which you have your order shipped. These charges are always the recipient's responsibility.


Source: http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=24



Edit: I also found this it's Xtreamer's page on "Customs, Duties, and Taxes". However, be warned this page looks like another copy and paste job taken from another site.


I think that due to this, "Eligible items sent via International Shipping will have an estimated Import Fees Deposit applied to the order. Orders for some types of products may only be sent via International Shipping and to certain eligible countries. Orders for Cables, Car Kits, that are Expedited International Shipping will not include an estimated Import Fees Deposit."

They sell car kits and cables?

Anyway here is the source: http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=52 if you wanna read a little more about their duty taxes.

From the forums, a comment in response to the question whether the Xtreamer is just a rebadged MvixMCE:

As you know Mvix is a major Xtreamer contributor so naturally we had access to the best their R&D people had to offer. But is there a difference? Yes. You will see. ;)

Check it out, MPC Club weighs in on Mvix MCE vs Xtreamer:

MPC Club News Mix 20 June, 2009 (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=784)

... The xStreamer and the Mvix MCE are the same products almost. It seems as though the MCE is tailored for regular sales wile the xStreamer targets to take on WDTV in big retail stores and will be sold from a single page online.

And says there are more 1283 Realtek based products coming, (note to sigma: it's on!!) EDIT: typo (1283 not 1238 sorry)

- And another player is announced based on the 1283 Realtek chip and targets to be more powerfull and easier to handle than the TViX M-6500 (withouth DVB-T tuner though). The unit is expected to come on the market using using the name "Movie Palace". Here's a picture: http://www.rhisc.nl/jpeg/NEW_MKV_Player.jpg We did not research yet who made this player and which brand it comes from. Something on our ToDo list after our return. With this unit, at least 3 RealTek based units are pending review, with and withough DVB-T functionality.

omg Movie Palace is butt ugly IMHO. Xtreamer ftw.

Check it out, MPC Club weighs in on Mvix MCE vs Xtreamer:



And says there are more 1238 Realtek based products coming, (note to sigma: it's on!!)



omg Movie Palace is butt ugly IMHO. Xtreamer ftw.



Is it the 1238 or the Realtek 128X ?

They call it 128X on some pages and 1238 on others. (Xtreamer does)

Edit: My guess was the X stands for the different models, like a 1237, 1268, ect. (This is simply a guess, I have no idea if that's true.)

Also, I know your active over on the Xtreamer forums, do you think you could ask about the hardware specs of the units? IE: The chips speeds, ram in the unit, ect? You mentioned Sigma, I like the fact with them your able to see the speed off all thier chips, type of ram in their units, ect. I don't know what to really think about the Realtek 128X, because all we know about it is, it's called the Realtek 128x. So knowing they are putting it in more models kinda means nothing to us. Unless they tell are a little more transparent about the specs.

more important than the chipset is the software

we have many players with sigma 8635 and with different bugs.....

files that we can play with nmt and not with wd,quality of image in divx better in wdtv than in nmt...

and the MHZ isnt important because the chips are designed in a different way

Also, I know your active over on the Xtreamer forums, do you think you could ask about the hardware specs of the units? IE: The chips speeds, ram in the unit, ect?

I asked for specifics and they declined to answer. First saying something to the effect of 'oh it's very fast, faster then sigma chips' etc. And when I asked for specific frequencies, declining to answer, appearing perturbed, saying they were overwhelmed with questions and would answer at a "future date".

You mentioned Sigma, I like the fact with them your able to see the speed off all thier chips, type of ram in their units, ect. I don't know what to really think about the Realtek 128X, because all we know about it is, it's called the Realtek 128x. So knowing they are putting it in more models kinda means nothing to us. Unless they tell are a little more transparent about the specs.

+1 I think a big part of the reviews that many people will be watching for will focus on the showdown between Realtek vs Sigma. PQ, Speeds, Efficiency, Compatibility, power consumption, heat. People want to know the answers to these questions and more. Xtreamer has put a lot of its credibility in promoting the Realtek chips as the jesus-chips of the new MPC age and constantly saying they are better than the sigma chips. Really waiting for some independent reviews to tackle this important question thoroughly.

more important than the chipset is the software

we have many players with sigma 8635 and with different bugs.....

files that we can play with nmt and not with wd,quality of image in divx better in wdtv than in nmt...

and the MHZ isnt important because the chips are designed in a different way

Yep. Hopefully the fact that the Xtreamer will be an open source project will help a lot in that way. I really hope we can attract quality developers like the dude who develops the custom WD firmwares, and others. It will really help optimize the Xtreamer in a way WD never would allow.

I also love the fact the Xtreamer is open source!


Cybman: I also do agree that firmware is more important. I'm simply saying I'm not ready to crown the Realtek as the better chip without any info about it. ;)

Also while I don't think specs are the definite measure of performance. Knowing the speed of a chip is much more helpful than knowing it's, very fast, faster then sigma chips. Which was basically the response fourtwenty2009 posted he received from his email.


Edit: In my experience companies post specs of thier products if they feel it's something to brag about. If they don't feel it's something to brag about the simply post the name of the product, IE: Realtek 128X. Calling it very fast, and extremely powerful. It leaves it up to your imagination.

I think if the Realtek 128X had similar specs to the new Sigma going into the C-200, it would be all over Xtreamers site. If the chip has similar specs to the older sigma chips (or worse) it's better to no say anything. It's just good marketing. ;)

I also love the fact the Xtreamer is open source!


Cybman: I also do agree that firmware is more important. I'm simply saying I'm not ready to crown the Realtek as the better chip without any info about it. ;)

Also while I don't think specs are the definite measure of performance. Knowing the speed of a chip is much more helpful than knowing it's, "very fast, faster then sigma chips". Which was the response fourtwenty2009 posted he received from his email.

Careful with the quotation marks there ruktuim ;) I was paraphrasing. Quotes from Xtreamer regarding claims about the supremacy of their Realtek chip can be found on page one, or for your convenience below.

XTREAMER: "Realtek 1283(x) it is a special project of unicorn-Realtek with better specs to the [Sigma] SMP8654 [chipset]"

XTREAMER: "Yes it can. You have to remember that Realtek chipsets are usually a lot better at handling the picture quality than Sigma products. And the Xtreamer runs on a very special chip indeed." (XtreamerAdmin)

XTREAMER: "realtek 1283(x) is better than sigma 8654 or even 8655. its better in picture quality it has more memory bandwidth
and it has DTS Downmix"

XTREAMER: "The Xtreamer is based on the more advanced chipset 1283(x) while the Asus [O!Play] device is based on the 1073 - which has a limited memory capcity, limited memory bandwidth and limited support for DTV signal and content."

Careful with the quotation marks there ruktuim ;) I was paraphrasing. Quotes from Xtreamer regarding claims about the supremacy of their Realtek chip can be found on page one, or for your convenience below.

I did email Realtek about 2 days ago, and asked about their chip, and for any specs/info they were willing to release about it. :D

So far sadly no response.

Claiming a chip "more powerful" without ANY specs available on the Net is a promotional stunt...it may have better de-interlacing algorithms or may be able to demux mkv in hardware, but I doubt it will natively run L5.1 1080 at 16 reframes...

Claiming a chip "more powerful" without ANY specs available on the Net is a promotional stunt...it may have better de-interlacing algorithms or may be able to demux mkv in hardware, but I doubt it will natively run L5.1 1080 at 16 reframes...

I asked, they wouldn't answer. So no idea bout the Ref frames. But Xtreamer is the only player I'm familiar with that claims to run H.264 HP@L5.1 (a profile I personally don't give a flying fig about because Blu-rays are all @L4.1 now anyways).

XTREAMER: "We believe should be no problem to play H. 264 HP@L5.1"

So rejoice everyone out there with improperly encoded video I guess!

I asked, they wouldn't answer. So no idea bout the Ref frames. But Xtreamer is the only player I'm familiar with that claims to run H.264 HP@L5.1 (a profile I personally don't give a flying fig about because Blu-rays are all @L4.1 now anyways).

So rejoice everyone out there with improperly encoded video I guess!

Note that Popcorn also plays @L5.1 but not natively, same as egreat...the xtreamer answer may only imply that the unit does play @L5.1 but not necessarily due to the more powerful video decoder chipset...

Claiming a chip "more powerful" without ANY specs available on the Net is a promotional stunt...it may have better de-interlacing algorithms or may be able to demux mkv in hardware, but I doubt it will natively run L5.1 1080 at 16 reframes...

Over on the PlayOn!HD thread a video has been successfully played that is encoded @L5.1 1080 with 16 reference frames. The PlayOn!HD uses the same Realtek chip as the Xtreamer. You can download the file in question and check it out.

David

Over on the PlayOn!HD thread a video has been successfully played that is encoded @L5.1 1080 with 16 reference frames. The PlayOn!HD uses the same Realtek chip as the Xtreamer. You can download the file in question and check it out.

David

Sweet! Thanks for this info David.

I'm guessing the first batch has sold out, as they have removed the 'few units left' notice from the front page. The second shipment of Xtreamer's will occur on August 1st according to an earlier update on the announcement page. Congratulations to everyone who got in on the first batch. Hopefully delivery goes without a hitch for all of us.


EDIT: Not so according to an update posted 06/21. Qty of 1st batch reportedly increased.

More on Xtreamer vs MvixMCE from the admin @ Xtreamer.net forums (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=117):

XTREAMER: "Xtreamer is not MCE

This is answer we got from the Mvix MCE product manager

"MCE is a project that is aimed at retail market...

Not same chipset
Not same price
Not same memory
Not Same Gui
Not Same Tooling

totally different concept behind it.

The MCE project is under the sole control of Unicron Mvix. Xtreamer is not.

MCE project was postponed and will be expected within few month for announcement.

The Xtreamer will have open source while the MCE will not""

Ah, just wanted to post the same quote.

I'm guessing the first batch has sold out, as they have removed the 'few units left' notice from the front page. The second shipment of Xtreamer's will occur on August 1st according to an earlier update on the announcement page. Congratulations to everyone who got in on the first batch. Hopefully delivery goes without a hitch for all of us.

It's good news for me that the first batch is sold out as I want to wait for you guys to test the Xtreamer out and then we will see what does and doesn't work, what the perfomance is like and whether the Xtreamer is worth buying. By 1st August there should also be some magazine reviews as well. I will order in time to get the free wireless N dongle though.

David

It's good news for me that the first batch is sold out as I want to wait for you guys to test the Xtreamer out and then we will see what does and doesn't work, what the perfomance is like and whether the Xtreamer is worth buying. By 1st August there should also be some magazine reviews as well. I will order in time to get the free wireless N dongle though.

FYI: To get the free dongle you would have to order by July 1st, I don't think anyone will have reviewed or seen the Xtreamer before then as that is the scheduled shipping day for the first batch.

First reviews would be in I would guess around July 10th-15th, and I'm again guessing most of these will be user reviews.

As has previously been reported MPC Club has been tapped as the first independent entity to review the Xtreamer, currently they [MPC] are on hiatus until July 3rd and when they left they had not yet received the Xtreamer and had 8 other projects to review in the pipe (presumably before the Xtreamer.) Which means even if MPC Club did a review a day upon return from their break, we probably wouldn't see the first website Xtreamer review until mid-July, competing with the first user reviews (if shipping goes as planned).

It's good news for me that the first batch is sold out as I want to wait for you guys to test the Xtreamer out and then we will see what does and doesn't work, what the perfomance is like and whether the Xtreamer is worth buying. By 1st August there should also be some magazine reviews as well. I will order in time to get the free wireless N dongle though.

David

Doh! Just seen that Xtreamer have increased the quantity available in the first batch, how does that work? Where did they get them from?

I guess it is good selling to create an illusion that they are selling out to increase orders and then at the last minute release some more.

David

http://xtreamer.net/Files/300_notice2.jpg (http://www.xtreamer.net)

EDIT:

Due to overwhelming amount of interest and orders for the xtreamer

We decided to pospote shipments for dealers to the 2nd batch

Hence, more units will be availabe for private users for 1st batch

500 units left

Hey i have a quick question. On the specs page of the xtreamer it says:

Audio pass through : DTS, Dolby Digital, DTS-HD MA, DTS-HD HR, Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus

Dolby Digital is audio pass thru. Does this mean for me to play a dvd either in folder vob/ifo form or as an iso i have to hook the xtreamer up to an audio receiver(which i don't have) and not directly to my tv (Samsung 32a550)?

Hey i have a quick question. On the specs page of the xtreamer it says:

Audio pass through : DTS, Dolby Digital, DTS-HD MA, DTS-HD HR, Dolby True HD, Dolby Digital Plus

Dolby Digital is audio pass thru. Does this mean for me to play a dvd either in folder vob/ifo form or as an iso i have to hook the xtreamer up to an audio receiver(which i don't have) and not directly to my tv (Samsung 32a550)?

No DD will work fine. Xtreamer is pointing out that DD can be passed through to an amp if required.

David

Just overheard in the AVForum (http://www.avforums.com/forums/streamers-network-media-players/1009973-xtreamer-hd-media-player-cheap-powerful-10.html): Xtreamer has at least 1,026 orders.

Decided to join the queue...order no.1026 http://www.avforums.com/forums/images/smilies/xyxthumbs.gif

Ok thanks for the information davidt99

This is how they explain it

http://www.xtreamer.net/166/content-pages/announcment.aspx

"Due to overwhelming amount of interest and orders for the xtreamer

We decided to pospote shipments for dealers to the 2nd batch

Hence, more units will be availabe for private users for 1st batch

500 units left"

Makes sense, and nice move also.

Xtreamer:
"We decided to pospote shipments for dealers to the 2nd batch"




Didn't they say that the Xtreamer is going to be available ONLY through their own shop?!?

What's going on?

A quick question.

Have those 1000+ units mentioned been prepaid??

If so, seems a bit ... (won't say the word and get blacklisted) to me considering no product atm :confused:

Cheers

A quick question.

Have those 1000+ units mentioned been prepaid??

If so, seems a bit ... (won't say the word and get blacklisted) to me considering no product atm :confused:

Cheers

Yes, those have all been paid via Paypal.

EDIT: And you can say whatever word you want (as long as it's not swearing or abusive) in these forums. You don't have to be concerned about being blacklisted or banned for personal opinion here. AVSForum doesn't have a vested interest one way in the other in the Xtreamer and won't blacklist you for posting your thoughts and opinions. This is a discussion thread. All respectful discussion is welcome. :)

EDIT2: Xtreamer has been confirmed to exist and be backed and associated with Mvix Europe. Mvix Europe is the confirmed recipient of all paypal payments. MPC Club believes the unit exists and that this is not some elaborate scheme. Unless you're a fan of conspiracy theories, I'd say that's pretty good proof the product actually exists.

EDIT3: Michael Roussine Admin/Tech Support of MVIX.net / Unicorn has left his email and phone contact numbers (support@mvix.eu michael@mvix.eu and Unbo b/d 226-16, sukchon-dong, songpa-gu, Seoul, Korea Tel: 82 2 420 2713 (202) / Fax: 82 2 420 2723 respectively), anyone can contact him about any concerns they have at any time.

Is there any guarantee (from paypal) if something mysteriously happens and they aren't able to deliver, that there would be a refund of any sort??


Quote :
EDIT: And you can say whatever word you want (as long as it's not swearing or abusive) in these forums. You don't have to be concerned about being blacklisted or banned for personal opinion here. AVSForum doesn't have a vested interest one way in the other in the Xtreamer and won't blacklist you for posting your thoughts and opinions. This is a discussion thread. All respectful discussion is welcome.

Joking on that aspect, but still worried about the prepaid thing.
I can understand a small deposit upon order and remaining when they could verify the existence of the unit, but full payment is beyond me.

Is there any guarantee (from paypal) if something mysteriously happens and they aren't able to deliver, that there would be a refund of any sort??

There's always the Paypal Dispute Resolution Center (within 45 of your original payment transaction).


I'm not able to resolve my dispute with my seller. How can PayPal help me?

Question :
Answer :
If you're not able to agree with your seller on how to resolve a dispute, you can escalate your dispute to a claim. By escalating your dispute to a claim, you're asking us to investigate and decide whether you're eligible for a refund.

1. Log in to your PayPal account.
2. Click My Account at the top of the page.
3. Click Resolution Center at the top of the page.
4. Select Open cases from the list.
5. Click View next tot he case you want to escalate.
6. Click Escalate to a Claim.

Purchase protection programs.

* When you purchase goods online with PayPal, your transactions are covered by our Buyer Complaint Policy. If we find the complaint in your favor, the amount of the payment, if available from the seller, will be transferred back to your account. See eligibility

Ok, fair enough.
No, I am not a conspiracy theory fan, and as a matter of fact, if I decide to buy a unit, it won't be in the very near future, as I have bought an E34 a couple of weeks ago.

Just made those questions as I haven't seen that area covered yet in this forum.

Quote:
* When you purchase goods online with PayPal, your transactions are covered by our Buyer Complaint Policy. If we find the complaint in your favor, the amount of the payment, if available from the seller, will be transferred back to your account. See eligibility

It does state " if available from the seller" which means that you are not fully covered.

Cheers

Joking on that aspect, but still worried about the prepaid thing. I can understand a small deposit upon order and remaining when they could verify the existence of the unit, but full payment is beyond me.

Right now the full payment people are paying for the right to pre-order and have the unit first. It happens all the time for products on Amazon.com. It happened with the iPhone 3GS. It's nothing terribly worrisome IMHO.

Further to the earlier point, myself and others in this forum have done some additional digging (just as in the case of the Mvix/Xtreamer association) as to some of the licensing claims that Xtreamer has made and they have checked out. (Now THAT would be an elaborate scheme!!)

As for the first 1,000 or so of us with full payment in on a sight unseen product, I spoke to Hi-Jack of MPC Club and he likened those of us to 'pioneers'. I like that analogy. :) It's not for everyone, especially the faint of heart. ;) The rest of you guys can come settle on the land and hop on the bandwagon once we've plowed the fields.

I was told that I wouldn't be billed until it actually ships.

Interestingly enough, at the Mvix.net forum thread about the Movie Jukebox, this is what the thread creator had to say:

1.7.2009 is target day with more exciting features.


We've heard that date before now, haven't we? :)

EDIT: The MvixMCE is now gone from the Mvix.net listing. :eek:

apart from 1 movie made by some guy in unknow language published on youtube...and another 2 pages of info on popcornhour.com i dont have any proof such machine exists either.

the Popcorn hour take preorders the same way the xtreamer does.

No one reviewd the C-200, no one here actually saw it or got any idea when we will see more than few pictures and 3 paragraphs on the website.

whatever the case maybe, for me the days of consiprations are gone and finished together with the X-files :)

and for the forum ref...my freind made an order for the xtreamer, changed his mind, and got prompt refund from xtreamer shop.

i remeber how long it took me to get a refund for the HDX...

I placed an order with the xtreamer and it seems to me somone really making an effort to convince me i was wrong

What whole of XXXXXXX people are talking here ???

it's 120 Euro...I doubt anyone would file bankruptcy if cheated for 120 Euro...but being the first to get the toy by pre-ordering online beats "losing" 120 Euro...

apart from 1 movie made by some guy in unknow language published on youtube...and another 2 pages of info on popcornhour.com i dont have any proof such machine exists either.

The popcorn hour take preorders the same way the xtreamer does.

No one reviewd the c-200, no one here actually saw it or got any idea when we will see more than few pictures and 3 paragraphs on the website.

Whatever the case maybe, for me the days of consiprations are gone and finished together with the x-files :)

and for the forum ref...my freind made an order for the xtreamer, changed his mind, and got prompt refund from xtreamer shop.

I remeber how long it took me to get a refund for the hdx...

I placed an order with the xtreamer and it seems to me somone really making an effort to convince me i was wrong

what whole of xxxxxxx people are talking here ???

+1

it's 120 euro...i doubt anyone would file bankruptcy if cheated for 120 euro...but being the first to get the toy by pre-ordering online beats "losing" 120 euro...

+1

being the first to get the toy by pre-ordering online beats "losing" 120 euro...

+1

Guys,

I have tried accessing the forum just now and it seems that their shop and forums are down.

I am really worried now. Time to raise a Paypal dispute.

Cheers,
Vish

Guys,

I have tried accessing the forum just now and it seems that their shop and forums are down.

I am really worried now. Time to raise a Paypal dispute.

Cheers,
Vish

No biggie. It's gone down in the past briefly as well. It's probably server maintenance or something like that. Give it a few hours.

@Vish: I'm not sure what your Paypal dispute will be. That their website went down? Seem's pretty silly to me. Paypal disputes are for when you haven't received your item, you receive the wrong item, or the item wasn't as ordered. It seems to me none of those apply to this situation. Chill out.

Well, the forum and the site are up but the shop is probably down for maintenance.

Well, the forum and the site are up but the shop is probably down for maintenance.

Forum and shop are down. Site is up. It's probably something with a scripting server or other maintenance problem. As I said, this has happened before and it came back up shortly after.

Hi FourTwenty2009,

You do seem very optimistic about Xstreamer. Have you actually purchased any of these units?
Its just that you joined in June, then posted about X-streamer and now everythime some one comes up with a negative point about X-streamer, you tend to come out with good things about Xtreamer.

Do you think there is not a single chance that this could be all a big hoax. No one has seen anything and the moderators on that site have not been very good in convincing us.

Sorry that I am so negative about this but something just does not seem right and I have bought 2 of this babies.

Cheers,
Vish

You do seem very optimistic about Xstreamer.
Well I would count myself among the hopeful. I've seen enough now that I believe that the unit exists. And I don't see the use of people who post their suspicions and spread FUD at this juncture. We're all going to know pretty good within a months time whether the Xtreamer is good (or a hoax as you suggest).

Have you actually purchased any of these units?
Yes.

Its just that you joined in June, then posted about X-streamer and now everythime some one comes up with a negative point about X-streamer, you tend to come out with good things about Xtreamer.

I joined in June after reading the AVSForum poll/post about "Which next gen MPC will you get?" (or something to that effect; it had NMT2, WDTV2, and Xtreamer etc.) Xtreamer lead the poll. I was interested to read more about the player, and couldn't find anything on the Internet about it, no reviews no substantial information. And being familiar with AVS I thought it would be great to have an Xtreamer thread, much like the other threads, to centralize discussion and debate around this particular unit.

In regards to: "everythime some one comes up with a negative point about X-streamer, you tend to come out with good things about Xtreamer" I think if you go back and read what I have posted (this post among them) I have attempted to maintain a healthy skepticism and neutrality. Reading my posts I think you will see I have participated in (and even instigated) a great deal of the some of the most pointed questioning and criticism against Xtreamer.

I think your inference that I'm a chronic Xtreamer fanboy out to defend their every move is unfair, and moreover, it's not true for anyone who has followed this thread or my posts.

When it comes to Internet servers going down at 5-6AM EST, I think there's no need to rush to the rooftops filing Paypal disputes. That's all I was expressing in response to your post. I wasn't saying "Oh man, Xtreamer would never do this!! Just give them time." I was saying "Internet servers (especially those involving scripts and forums) crash or go down for maintenance all the time." Sometimes people look to the mundane and project their own insecurities, and I just don't think that's terribly useful, sometimes the most obvious answer is the correct one. I am guessing the servers will be back soon. Obviously you are free to file whatever disputes with Paypal you wish, but you might want to try contacting the store or technical support if you want your money back, as it was reported in an earlier post on this page that someone had ordered the Xtreamer, changed their mind, requested and received a refund promptly and without incident.

Do you think there is not a single chance that this could be all a big hoax. No one has seen anything and the moderators on that site have not been very good in convincing us.

Sorry that I am so negative about this but something just does not seem right and I have bought 2 of this babies.

@Vish: I agree with you. To many of us there appears to be a big problem with the quality and business practices of the person or people behind Xtreamer. If anyone writes a proper review in the coming weeks, there will surely be a paragraph dedicated to all the foolish and questionable ways in which this business has acted and inspired the distrust and fear of its customers and the community as a whole. This has not been a good first impression for the Xtreamer. So yes, I have some concerns, and I agree, Xtreamer through both it's action and inaction has fueled a lot of the ongoing uncertainty.

As for it being a big hoax, while I will admit in the early going I did think that may be a possibility, I have come to believe that this is unlikely at this stage. As I have explained in an earlier posting, investigative efforts by members of this forum and others, strongly suggests this player exists:

- Documentation has been found that details Xtreamer being pitched as a ground level investment opportunity for Korean/Asian investors

- Mvix Europe Ltd. is behind the Xtreamer. Feedback left at Mvix.net came from email addresses from Mvix.net/.eu domains confirming that this is the case. For you and anyone else very concerned and insecure about this product I highly recommend contacting officials at Mvix for further reassurance. I have provided contact details earlier in this post. (Perhaps they can answer why they would associate their company with a brand who has such questionable marketing and business practices that seem to inspire so little trust and confidence.) Please share your experiences with the forum if you do.

- Media players involve a lot of licensing. Members of this forum and I have contacted third party license holders and verified that the Xtreamer holds (at least some) of the valid licenses it advertises.

So while I share your concerns about how the Xtreamer people run their business (ie. copy n paste knowledge base, poor presentation, poor english with typos, poor planning, poor and unprofessional customer communications, failure to have the model reviewed prior or close to shipping, changing the paypal account from ilan@mvix.eu --> mvix.net@gmail.com, and probably a few others I forgot to mention too) -- I don't think this is a hoax.

I am totally unimpressed by the quality of business they are running. That doesn't mean they don't have a good product and that it won't do what they say.

Thanks FourTwenty2009.

That was a good detailed reply. Hope they come out with something solid soon so as to put all the 1200 or so purchasers at ease.

Cheers.

I have tried accessing the forum just now and it seems that their shop and forums are down.
I saw in the morning that two new topics appeared for a short time in the forum (something like "problems / bug reports" & "bug fixes" or so) and they dissapeared very soon. So i suppose these are only maintenance issues.

Well, the forum and the site are up but the shop is probably down for maintenance.

forum.xtreamer.net and shop.xtreamer.net are back online - 9:30AM EST :rolleyes:

http://forum.xtreamer.net/
http://shop.xtreamer.net/

Just saw this cheeky response (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=148) to a cynical poster in the Xtreamer forum:

buy a hat

on July 2009 you will have to eat it !

I cannot access either shop or forums. Still comes up with error.

Cheers,
Vishal

I cannot access either shop or forums. Still comes up with error.

Cheers,
Vishal

Works for me. Try again or try connecting using a proxy. It could be a DNS change or something. It's definitely back up.

Tried a few times. no luck. Can anybody else confirm?

Tried a few times. no luck. Can anybody else confirm?

:rolleyes:

i was just posting a message in their forum when the forum went down

i lost a good comment :rolleyes:

i made email to the admin and got nearly immediatley a reply that they had to take it down for short time due to over load on their servers and something about moving to new grid soon.

now the is forum is up and looks ok

More news:

The long awaited media streamer with support of NTFS read + write is here.

Yes the Xtreamer device does support NTFS writing so no more need for EXT drivers like other mediaplayers


Nice!!! No need for EXT3 internal or external disks... really nice! :D

Hi Afrsa,

WHere did you get this information?

Hi Afrsa,

WHere did you get this information?

Hi!

Here: http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=148

;)

Didn't they say that the Xtreamer is going to be available ONLY through their own shop?!?

What's going on?

No, they said it would only be available on-line.

David

No, they said it would only be available on-line.

David

Hmmm They have a 'Partners' section online link (http://shop.xtreamer.net/Support/questions.php?questionid=75)

Edit: That page seems to be largely a copy and paste of this Mvix USA partner policy page (https://www.mvixusa.com/partners/function.include)

I think the key bit here is "e-tailer" which suggests to me they are looking for on-line partners. I think at this price point it will be very difficult for a high street retailer to make a profit out of the Xtreamer unless they can buy at a large discount.

David

Tried a few times. no luck. Can anybody else confirm?

Works for me.

David

I think the key bit here is "e-tailer" which suggests to me they are looking for on-line partners. I think at this price point it will be very difficult for a high street retailer to make a profit out of the Xtreamer unless they can buy at a large discount.

David

"Our Sales Agent Program is designed for individuals or companies that primarily intent to market our products to large retailers / resellers."

What do you make of that?

EDIT: Probably just another copy-n-paste hack job.

"Our Sales Agent Program is designed for individuals or companies that primarily intent to market our products to large retailers / resellers."

What do you make of that?

EDIT: Probably just another copy-n-paste hack job.

A bit confusing, I put most of this down to the fact that English is probably not their first language and a lot of "copy & pasting" going on.

To be honest I don't have a problem with the "company" or the website, it all looks fairly normal to me for a Far East setup.

David

Weird,


Not sure if anyone else has noticed this. But the post on the Xtreamer forum about Xtreamer looking exactly like the MvixMce is gone, or at least I can't find it anymore.

Also, the MvixMce has been removed from Mivx.net.

To me it's another thing that helps further prove Xtreamer is truly connected to Mivx and not a hoax. :)

I can't find it anymore.

Right here (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=137&p=455&hilit=MVIX#p455)

Right here (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=137&p=455&hilit=MVIX#p455)

I'm convinced when you tilt the Xtreamer just so, you can see an image of the virgin mary. :D



Oh I'm blind!! lol :) What page is it on? Before it was under the, "Feature Requests & Feedback" section on the first page.

That's why I said, "or at least I can't find it anymore". It however it true that it's been removed from Mivx.net.

The product being removed from Mivx.net if further proof for myself. ;) That Xtreamer is a real product, and isn't a hoax. :D



Edit: Just found it under, "General Xtreamer discussion".

Something i found on htforum.com (translated via online-translator) about the GUI (as you know, xtreamer admins asked useres in their forum to translate the xtreamer table string):
By giving a look to see the file has some interesting features, such as recording TV channels (as I said earlier through a usb dongle) and bi**orrent client. Obviously we do not know if this is already available on the first version, but it is an indication that they have the most forward.
I hope it's ok to post this information here. I know xtreamer guys don't like our investigative efforts because they dread competitors. I can understand that, but, the few informations we are searching and finding are all free available on the web. So the competitiors will find them too.. eat's notvery difficult to use google searech.

Good news!!!

From Xtreamer forum:

"Xtreamer has been tested up to 11 frames with MKV1080P and the average was 8 frames."

This is good enough for everything... 1080p movies with 16 reframes are just insane... no need for that crap enconde!

Looking nice!!! :D

i never tried to stream videos via WLAN. I have a question about it:

is it possible to stream a mkv 1080p File without any stuttering or quality loss?

my Router is a DLINK DIR 615.

thx

Dear freinds,

We are aware of some people that feeds your concerns and doubts about the validity of the xtreamer. We cannot stay oblivious to the attempts of trols to spread here panic. All those who made contact with us were promptly answered the best way we can. Those who asks to validate or verify us are more than welcome to do so anytime.

The amount of disbelief sometime is overwhelming. That is why introduced money back gurantee with unquestionable refund. Those who want to stay hesitant are welcome to do so as well. Just wait for reviews and user private opinion once their unit will arrive.

We wonder if the same emails are sent to Syabas...asking verification of the existence of new model c-200 that no one saw until now ???

Asus and WDTV will surely answer you personally all as well !!!! :roll:

If wanted to block this kind of reaction we could simply activate this forum 1 month later in july. We decided to open it notwithstaning the fact we anticipated some sort of bad practices here.

If someone dont want to believe xtreamer exists..let him wait..even cancel his order if he ever placed one...and live to see with his own eyes. its not so long to wait anyway.

The readers are welcome to actively participate in this thread.

We are aware who is a customer and who is just playing a dirty game, never placed an order, was banned on other platforms and initiating threads with no basis. Making a bad buzz on a forum does not take long.

More than once it was declared here and everywhere ...Xtreamer is an online new brand powered by Mvix and Unicorn. Unicorn is one of the biggest manufacturers in the industry with more than 27,000 employees in 6 facilities in 3 countries.

If someone want to make assumption that companies of this caliber will play a game and hoax you all...you are free to think so at your own time. In our opinion it is rediculous and make no sense at all.

This platform as well as all other platforms is done for the benefit of people to give their views a freedom. if somone want to come as our guest in order to seed panic, fear or other bulshit bad mouthing he will be banned immeditaly with no further discussion.

While we are tolerant to those that are genuinly asks for more info, we are not tolerant to non-sense and simple bad water making threads..

Just for the Ref of all viewers of this post : We are personal freinds to NMT officials, NMT forum admin as well as to other brands you may know or heard of. We see them in trade show and We are active in the same forums as you are, have more than one media player at home and practice the same practices for long time to know the difference.

English..Shminglish spelling mistakes...are just creating a bad water and negative atomesphere. the xtreamer platforms are big and all will be corrected. I am sure that on july most of these nicknames will disapper and we wont hear from them again. We launched the System of Xtreamer with more than 450 articles in various langauges in order to provide you most info as possible about the xtreamer.

The price of 99 Euro indeed may embarace some in the industry. The Xtreamer promise to deliver same qulaities of units that we all had to pay 4 times more. Those who has stocks of other models and will surely be stuck with them soon send here trols as well as to other places. Our servers and this forum was under DDOS attacks and other malicious practices to degree that will shock you all.

The criticism was acceptable if we were publishing 2.3 pages on the web and collecting money for a "new model" no one saw. this is not the case in xtreamer.

Nevertheless, we welcome you all.

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=148&start=10)

Personally I've never really thought Xtreamer was a hoax. :) But wow, that's a very childish/unprofessional response.

When you put out a new product there is bound to be skeptics and nay-sayers.
I agree there Xtreamer has had a fair amount of both.

But Xtreamer should understand the internet media crowd are a savvy bunch, and put time and research into purchases and products their interested in. Isn't that the point of all the media forums?

Part 1:
We wonder if the same emails are sent to Syabas...asking verification of the existence of new model c-200 that no one saw until now ???

Asus and WDTV will surely answer you personally all as well !!!! :roll:

I found this quote to be childish. Their I guess attacking their forum community for sending emails and having concerns about the product?


IMO, the reason Syabas didn't have people asking for verification of the existence of the C-200, and people wondering if it was all a hoax.

Is because it was an established product already!
PHC already had a community of owners, people already owned A100 and A110.

However even with an established community. The NMT forums had people crying bloody murder when they thought the announcement of the C-200 was going to be delayed.


Edit: WDTV and Asus, again are established companies. So when they are coming out with a new product they have a reputation of past products. If I say however, Started a company called, "The Awesome Machine" it was the first product we were going to release. I wouldn't blame people for not giving me the same assumption of product quality as established companies.


I understand that he Xtreamer is: More than once it was declared here and everywhere ...Xtreamer is an online new brand powered by Mvix and Unicorn. Unicorn is one of the biggest manufacturers in the industry with more than 27,000 employees in 6 facilities in 3 countries.

If someone want to make assumption that companies of this caliber will play a game and hoax you all...you are free to think so at your own time. In our opinion it is rediculous and make no sense at all.

I personally believe this to be true!!

To me this is comforting to know, and makes the product much more appealing.

However, to people who believe in a Hoax. Simply saying you are backed by MVIX isn't impressive. The connection between Xtreamer and Mvix at first was hard to find. No mention of Xtreamer on the Mvix site, nothing official to show a backing from MVIX other than Xtreamer's word. Which to people who think it's a hoax doesn't mean much. As time goes on it became more and more clear Xtreamer is real. But to blast those who doubt you doesn't help your cause.

(Again, Let me say I think Xtreamer is real! I look forward to the product! I simply don't agree with this letter.)


This platform as well as all other platforms is done for the benefit of people to give their views a freedom. if somone want to come as our guest in order to seed panic, fear or other bulshit bad mouthing he will be banned immeditaly with no further discussion.

Oh come on, this product is done for OUR benefit. So I'm to assume Xtreamer is a charity working for the good of the people? So all profits will be going where?

It's a business, which is totally cool, everyone understands it's a business.
It irks me :) lol when companies, really any company makes it seem like it's a charity and put it's products out for the good of the people.

English..Shminglish spelling mistakes...are just creating a bad water and negative atomesphere.

Anyone else find it ironic they misspelled atmosphere in a sentence about misspelling? I'm the last person to talk about spelling, I have horrible spelling!! But come on, it's called spell check! You can fix grammatical and spelling errors before posting. Your a company with "27,000 employees in 6 facilities in 3 countries." one of them has to be able to spell.


I am sure that on july most of these nicknames will disapper and we wont hear from them again. We launched the System of Xtreamer with more than 450 articles in various langauges in order to provide you most info as possible about the xtreame

I'm sure the nicknames will disappear. I for one will sing Xtreamers praises, tell everyone I know to order one, and be an defender of it's good name ;) lol if it delivers on it's promises.



Thanks for reading my little rant. lol :D

Sorry I normally don't post long winded, overly opinionated stuff like this.


Edit: All in All just horrible PR people for Xtreamer. I personally think it will be a great product! I just think the marketing department for Xtreamer isn't the best in the world. :) Which sucks because they have a potentially great product.

Good post Ruktuim. No apologies necessary. It's interesting to read what people think and how they react to this latest message from Xtreamer.

@ Ruktuim - haha, I just finished doing a quick write up of Xtremer on my blog (http://dbone1026.blogspot.com/2009/06/xtreamer-follow-up.html) just trying to summarize some of the stuff I have read across on this site and others, and at the bottom I made a quick comment about how I thought Xtreamers response was a little unnecessary (or as you put it Childish).

Very simple, if you are Xtreamer and have a killer product that does exactly what you claim, who cares what people think, the product will sell itself...

i have several friends waiting for this device to come into my hands

once this baby is going to pass my hard review, and even come up with only 50% of what it promise it will knock out all other option we had in mind.

the price is just too good to be ignored.

With all the rest i can live for now.

ordered this thing bluntly last Friday using my credit card. order was immediatley confirmed by e-mail and also shows correct on my account status. credit card has not not yet been debited by today though...hoping this is all fine :) and shipment takes place in July...if not: gggrrrrrr:mad:!

new screenshots of GUI and Jukebox functions on the Xtreamer webpage....looking just incredible!:);)

Anyone else notice that when you bring up the screenshots on the site it says "Loading 42 of xx images", when it should be the other way around?

i have several friends waiting for this device to come into my hands

once this baby is going to pass my hard review, and even come up with only 50% of what it promise it will knock out all other option we had in mind.

the price is just too good to be ignored.

With all the rest i can live for now.

Post your review here as well! ;) I can't wait to see user reviews come out about this product.

I would be one of the ones to pre-order as well if I lived over in Europe. But, I'm from the US, and sadly it is close to 200$ (US). So the price is pretty close to the other players like the, Egreat 34A and Popcorn hour A110.

So as long as the unit out performs those two, I'm on board for the 2nd batch. :D

has anyone see real non promitional videos on youtube or any side of this device like actually working?

has anyone see real non promitional videos on youtube or any side of this device like actually working?

No.

9:15pm EST - Xtreamer forums/shop down again.

EDIT: Probably scheduled server maintenance.

Well they posted recently that their forums would be down due to server maintenance starting around 8:30 AM Korean time. Not sure if that's now though.

Well they posted recently that their forums would be down due to server maintenance starting around 8:30 AM Korean time. Not sure if that's now though.

K thanks drm, I didn't see that. Apparently it is 10:30am KST right now (Thank you Google!)

and looks like they have changed their name servers to mvix

and looks like they have changed their name servers to mvix

Shop/Forum still down for me.

Our Forum & Shop maybe down for maintenance

Sorry for the inconvenience

Shop/Forum still down for me.

Same

I think it's up now.

yep

ordered this thing bluntly last Friday using my credit card. order was immediatley confirmed by e-mail and also shows correct on my account status. credit card has not not yet been debited by today though...hoping this is all fine :) and shipment takes place in July...if not: gggrrrrrr:mad:!


my credit card has been debited today.....by Xtreamer.com, Netherlands

Xtreamer.com as a site is for sale....hhhmmmm

Probably just a mistake. Nothing to worry about.

my credit card has been debited today.....by Xtreamer.com, Netherlands

Xtreamer.com as a site is for sale....hhhmmmm

Your credit card will NOT be charged until your order is shipped.
Source: Link (http://www.xtreamer.net/111/content-pages/Pre-Order.aspx)


AFAIK, everyone who pre-ordered has been charged BEFORE their order was shipped in direct contradiction to what is written on the pre-order page.

We will email you one week before shipping.

Anyone get their one week email yet?..

AFAIK, everyone who pre-ordered has been charged BEFORE their order was shipped in direct contradiction to what is written on the pre-order page.

Anyone get their one week email yet?..

So either Xtreamer is full of $hit or your orders have been shipped (hopefully the latter!!!)

wouldn\'t that be your credit company\'s fault?

Does anyone happen to know if the, "xtreamer" user (site admin) over on the forums represents the company, or is it just a volunteer person? Are their different "xtreamer" admins? Here is the reason I think there maybe different admins:

So this was a post by a user asking Xtreamer how it's product compares to O!play.

Potential Customer:

Dear Xtreamer company,

Can you please show us the facts where you have claim in the statement of why buy xtreamer over O!play that O!play is using the inferior realtek process RTD1073. We would love to buy from honest company doing the honest statements/claims/comparison of other products. I personally would love to be the buyer of xtreamer with no regrets, but if your claim over O!play is false, you are just lying to your customer to your advantage of getting them to pick you over O!play.


(Above post was abrupt, but was asking a valid point. He asked for info/specs regarding Xtreamer's processor. Thou he did do it in am impolite way.)




Xtreamers first response:

The 1073 and the 1283 are nearly the same except minor differences about memory bandwidth and DTV support. The 1283 originaly supports recording function the 1073 is cheaper chipset but lacks this ability.

The Xtreamer Enjoyes the 802.11n unique wireless solution, it is aimed to be community oriented with vast forum and website, it is intended to be sold on online only platforms and therefore expected to be cheaper, it is sold from European HQ and has full UPnP with DDnS NAS feature. The Xtreamer enjoys Movie JukeBox as well as the power of one of the most exprienced manufacturers of media players in the industry.

None of those are applicable to O|Play of Asus.

Asus bought a software solution. Its main business was never media players, actually it is asus first attempt to enter this water.

Which one is better and more supportive we will have to wait and see.

This info source is from the highest officials of Realtek.

If you are happy with O|Play, be our guest and go and write on their forum, if you will be able to find one ....

(The response up until the underlined section was very professional. It was polite, informative, and what you would expect from a company answering a question, even a rude one. I give a lot of credit to Xtreamer for answering this question this way, up until the underlined part. If left at that it would build confidence in Xtreamer for myself. The underline part is some what unprofessional. While mild it has an air of hostility.)



Ok, so the first post was pretty normal, what you would expect from a company. It showed they are willing to answer questions, and made me think that if I have a problem with my unit I'd be able to get good customer service.






A day later, after Xtreamers first response, came this 2nd post by Xtreamer:


Reading this post just makes us more encouraged to answer you Amboz trol ! ;-)

The price of xtreamer shocked you as well hey ! ??;-) You are frustrated and coming here to do what exactly ?

Nothing much you can do about it even if the Xtreamer was based on grandma's laundry machine engine.

It does all what it promises and more. and cheaper. and better and yes...it is based on other chipset your vendor may have paid more and got less !

Get it right dude! Simple and clear...xtreamer is here ! no need to pay more...99 Euro + shipping + free USB antenna 802.11n and we are all good to go !

Whatever you may say here or elsewhere will not change this fact ! whatever stock you may bought or intend to keep of other player, the xtreamer is here to say to you and your like - enough !!! no need to pay more for a solid media player...when the xtreamer can do same for much less...we could also be greedy but decided to make it affordable for everyone ...Xtreamer is expected to do more and cheaper !

For those readers of this thread who are amused as we are ...a little note : just watch this nickname "amboz" (amboz@hotmail.com) and invite him to discuss things with us once you will get your Xtreamer devices...

We urge you to compare our xtreamer to the WDTV...to the AC RYAN PlayON and Asus as well as to the e-Great once out.

Compare the specs...the usability..the total look and feel...the remote control reaction...the NAS functionality...the language competability...the graphical user interface...the sound feedback ...the ability to play MKV files ...the streaming power...the ad hoc wireless VPN...the on screen display ...the support platforms that are backing up your media player and the time it take each of them to react to your questions, the general community feeling and vibe...and ofcourse ....the price !!!!

Once you are through with this check list...ask yourself the two simple questions ought to be asked !!!!

WHY PAY MORE ?????
Does the Xtreamer worth the 99 Euro price tag ???

This topic is now locked and will be reopend in July !!!

Good luck to our friend Amboz ...it seems he will go now to rest a little bit...


(Is this a different Admin!?! This has an entirely different tone than the first post. It went from professional, instilling confidence in a company. To what you would expect from a teenager flaming another poster. The underline section is unsettling, is the Xtreamer Admin encouraging it's users to flame the posters email, or to "invite him", I guess by email seeing they posted it?)



I personally think Xtreamer will have a great product. :D What worries me is the follow-up. The hostile and unprofessional tone of the Xtreamer admins answering users questions isn't (IMO) a great indicator of what to expect from a company.

If they find the poster to be a troll, simply delete the thread and ban the user. You don't bring yourself down to the level, taking the bait, and responding the way I've seen the Xtreamer admin respond in a number of threads. I think their responses more than anything else is what's giving people second thought about the product, not the forum trolls.


I don't know if the Admins of the forum are official payed employees of Xtreamer, or if they are simply volunteers. Whatever the case they are doing a disservice to what looks like a great product. :)


Not like Xtreamer is going to read this, and improve their public relations....but I'm bored. lol

@ruktuim - good post. I agree with you as well, definitely makes me feel better about holding off on purchasing the Xtreamer. I really hate rewarding a company for such an utter lack of professionalism, but if the Xtreamer does what it claims it will be tough not to!!!!

@ruktuim - good post. I agree with you as well, definitely makes me feel better about holding off on purchasing the Xtreamer. I really hate rewarding a company for such an utter lack of professionalism, but if the Xtreamer does what it claims it will be tough not to!!!!

This one is my favorite (so far):

Before I buy 3 of these Xtreamer units, I need to know if my Hamony remote will work with this. To be clear, does Logitech Harmony remote have Xtreamer on their database?

Please, I repeat. If I don't hear any response, I will NOT buy.

I sent several messages, asking about this very topic and never got any responses from you folks. This makes me a little suspicious and wonder about your commitment to us users. So again, please take a little time to answer this question before I buy.


[messages follow by other posters berating the original poster]

Thanks for your concern, guys. But don't worry, I've already dispatched the Xtreamer death squad to take care of this guy.

I don't know if I would be making 'death squad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squad)' jokes if I were a serious business and one my potential customers asks a question or expresses frustration at problems accessing an answer. Especially considering the Xtreamer is probably shipping to several countries that actually *have* death squads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_squad). :rolleyes:

The post remains (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=176) but the admin later wrote Frankly I'm a little surprised by such an attitude but I do apologize if my joke caused any offense.

I don't know if I would be making death squad jokes when my customers ask a question or have problems accessing an answer. Especially considering the Xtreamer is probably shipping to several countries that probably *have* death squads. :rolleyes:

LOL, Classic!!!

Eh guys, you are just overreacting, dont you think?

I actually appreciate this kind of talk, it tells me admins are honest. By my book, this kind of straight talk confirms everything they have been saying and promising about the product.

Just for the sake of argument, imagine this Xtreamer product and company is a complete fraud only there to get our money and disappear. Would in this case their tone be the way it is now? Would their admins be calling people trolls and kicking them out of their forum?..
I dont think so. They would be kissing our asses and smiling 24/7 to our faces.

Nasty talk comes from the heart, while being polite is pure business ,regardless of the quality ;)

@ruktuim - good post. I agree with you as well, definitely makes me feel better about holding off on purchasing the Xtreamer. I really hate rewarding a company for such an utter lack of professionalism, but if the Xtreamer does what it claims it will be tough not to!!!!


I don't mind buying an Xtreamer if it lives up to it's boasts, and gets good reviews. I'm not saying Xtreamer is a bad product, I'm not saying not to buy one.


I'm simply saying I feel bad for the people who worked hard to make the Xtreamer. They are being (IMO) represented poorly on the forum.

A big selling point for Xtreamer has been it's community and so far the face of it's community has been less than amazing.


I think their are different people who use the "Xtreamer" admin account. The writing styles change and the tone of the posts change. It ranges from professional, what you would expect from a company, to down right childish.



(For some reason when I read the post I get a mental picture other companies answering people in such a manner.

Can anyone imagine:

Bill Gates for Microsoft doing an interview with reporters being asked why the Ipod is outselling the Zume 8 to 1. Him answering by calling the reporter a "trol" grabbing his nuts....and saying, I got ya Zume right here !&@##.)

Eh guys, you are just overreacting, dont you think?

I actually appreciate this kind of talk, it tells me admins are honest. By my book, this kind of straight talk confirms everything they have been saying and promising about the product.

Just for the sake of argument, imagine this Xtreamer product and company is a complete fraud only there to get our money and disappear. Would in this case their tone be the way it is now? Would their admins be calling people trolls and kicking them out of their forum?..
I dont think so. They would be kissing our asses and smiling 24/7 to our faces.

Nasty talk comes from the heart, while being polite is pure business ,regardless of the quality ;)



I think you got the wrong message out of what I was trying to say. :)
I don't question the validity of their product. It simply raises concerns for myself about what happens after the product is in the customer's hands.

If my player has problems ranging from hardware, to playback, anything you can think of. When you go to the forum for help, will I get the helpful Admin who is polite and friendly, or will I get the Admin who calls me a "trol" and bans me for, "causing bad waters".


I don't consider being an ass to people, "straight talk", you can be nice to people without being phony.


Edit: Again, This won't stop me from buying the product. I'm also not suggesting in anyway it should stop others from buying the product. :)

I'm simply pointing out (Imo) the public relations end of the product is being handled poorly.

Ruktuim, I agree with you, it makes the company look bad when clearly there are more than one person using the XtreamerAdmin account one who seems to be very professional and answers questions in a polite manner and another user who is just rude and obnoxious in his/her replies.

David

Oh, common, the death squad thingie was obviously a joke. It was OK within the context.

Well I would not mind a "death Squad" joke if their product was already out and they had established a good relationship with people on their forums.

Everything is still very new and hence I think they should be more careful then just trying to be more friendly. What we need now is a solid evidence.

They don't accept people talking c**p about them. So why do they sat stupid things.

Oh, common, the death squad thingie was obviously a joke. It was OK within the context.

I agree but also keep in mind that this product is being marketed Globally. While some people my find the humor in it you do run the risk of offending/alienating others. Why even take that chance, especially when you are not even an established company.

I believe that most of the more pressing questions have been answered and we will continue to dot the i's as we go. The manual will be published within a few days, the code (fingers crossed) somewhere around the release day. As for the tone etc I'd like to apologize. This is a very stressful time and our resources are rather stretched so please be patient with us and we will make it up to you with our wonderful product and good service.

We have prepared many nice surprises for you. You can bet on it.
link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=148&start=20)

I agree but also keep in mind that this product is being marketed Globally. While some people my find the humor in it you do run the risk of offending/alienating others. Why even take that chance, especially when you are not even an established company.

What product?
Anyone seen it for real??
Come on people, can't you see that this company is run by a bunch of cowboys??
As if they had shared drinks previously with the boys to joke about sending the so called death squad to the other guy.

Personally I think that they will deliver.. but what they have been payed for, as for the next batches they better get their act together or they'll be snooping (or sniping) for customers.:D

Cheers

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=148&start=20)



It's nice to see XtreamerAdmin realizing and apologizing for the tone of it's responses to people. The rude manner of the replies does nothing but hurt the company.





It does seems like there are two Xtreamer administrator posters. One named Xtreamer, and the other XtreamerAdmin.



The post I quoted before, as well as the post the XtreamerAdmin apologized for, in the link you posted. Where both posted by Xtreamer, and not XtreamerAdmin. Most of the posts I consider rude/childish/obnoxious are coming from "Xtreamer".

On the other hand the posts that answer questions, and I'd consider polite come from XtreamerAdmin.



So what does everyone else think, Xtreamer VS XtreamerAdmin

Check out the different type of replies they give, which do you like more?

So what does everyone else think, Xtreamer VS XtreamerAdmin

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde?

Check this out!

Some guys in Portugal sent an email to http://www.mvix.eu/ asking if Xtreamer was real and developed with help from Mvix...


Response:


"Dear Sir

Xtreamer.net is Unicorn - Mvix online new platform and brand .


Dont worry.


Mvix Europe ltd.
Unicorn information system co., ltdEuropean Business Div./ Supervisor
www.mvix.eu ,www.mvix.net
Unbo b/d 226-16, sukchon-dong, songpa-gu, Seoul, Korea
Tel: 82 2 420 2713 (202) / Fax: 82 2 420 2723"



So I sent an email to Mivxusa and asked the same thing...


Response:

Thanks for your email and interest in our products.

That is definitely not true.

Mvix is launching this unit soon: Mvix Ultio

http://www.mvixusa.com/ultio/1080p-h...heater-pc.html

The Mvix Ultio MX-800HD is a newer model with a newer style design



The mail was sent to the pre-order adress...

Probably the guys from Mvix are not sharing information between them or the guy just want to sell Mvix products...

Hey, if Xtreamer (the product) provides as much entertainment as Xtreamer (the company) then we may just have a winning product;)

At least we have entertainment and fun :D

An yes, I preordered one :eek:

Cheers
AppleRedX

It's nice to see XtreamerAdmin realizing and apologizing for the tone of it's responses to people. The rude manner of the replies does nothing but hurt the company.





It does seems like there are two Xtreamer administrator posters. One named Xtreamer, and the other XtreamerAdmin.



The post I quoted before, as well as the post the XtreamerAdmin apologized for, in the link you posted. Where both posted by Xtreamer, and not XtreamerAdmin. Most of the posts I consider rude/childish/obnoxious are coming from "Xtreamer".

On the other hand the posts that answer questions, and I'd consider polite come from XtreamerAdmin.



So what does everyone else think, Xtreamer VS XtreamerAdmin

Check out the different type of replies they give, which do you like more?

This guy must change the Xtreamer account name to Screamer. :rolleyes:

I've pre-ordered one after that my popcorn a-110 has died two times in nine months.

Ok this is just weird. Growing more interested in Xtreamer, I decided to post over on the Xtreamer site.

Basicly I had two questions, one about the procession. I'm really interested to know more about the Realtek 128X. Also, I was interested in it's support of .ASS subs. :D

So I posted this thread:


I'm really interested to know the specs of the Chipset used in the upcoming Xtreamer. :)

I think the community is dieing to know more about the processor used in the Xtreamer. So I'm interested to see if your able to answer some questions regarding specs. Just a quick simple list of questions.

What is the:


1: Host CPU Speed/Type? (Most important, I think everyone wants to know!! hehe)

2: Digital video input?

3: Audio DSP?

4: Does it offer, Motion adaptive deinterlacing, Programmable scaling, Chromaticity correction, 32-bit OSD, OSD gamma control, RGB output gamma control, Color temperature control, Peripheral bus?

5: HDMI with v1.3a CEC deep color xvYCC? (Not really Realtek related, but also interested if it does have deep color)




Thank you Xtreamer for taking the time to read my post. Hopefully your able to answer these questions in an open manner. :D


Edit: I'd also like to invite others to post questions. Questions I may have left out that they would like answered regarding the specs of the Realtek 128X. :D






This was the response from Xtreamer. (Keep in mind this is the Xtreamer user and not XtreamerAdmin.)

We see you making this kind of comments in other platforms as well.

We have a week or so for first devices to start shipping and reviews from all over parts of the world.

We have no intention to delete this thread....as we believe that once customers will get their units and will post their reviews here and there, this kind of attitude will be gone and over.

End of discussion. Topic locked !




This is just crazy, I'm trying to be polite, and I'm truly interested in the realtek chipset. :( Just wow


Edit: As I read it again, I fail to understand how there is an "attitude" to my post. Even when the product is released I'll be interested in the chipset. The Xtreamer reactions is just plan rude, to a polite post, that breaks zero rules, and asks a valid hardware question. :(

They mentioned that they " see you making this kind of comments in other platforms as well." Kinda sounds like they are following this thread or maybe others??? WHat do they think, you work for another NMT company and are trying to get the dirt???? Lets hope the Xtreamer rocks, because obviously the company itself or the folks who respresent it have no clue how to run a business...

I guess on the bright side they said they would be shipping in approx a week...

They mentioned that they " see you making this kind of comments in other platforms as well." Kinda sounds like they are following this thread or maybe others??? WHat do they think, you work for another NMT company and are trying to get the dirt???? Lets hope the Xtreamer rocks, because obviously the company itself or the folks who respresent it have no clue how to run a business...

I guess on the bright side they said they would be shipping in approx a week...

I guess, they would simply have to look at my post history to see I have been on AVS way before Xtreamer.

I don't really get how it's, "dirt" either. To be it's valuable info about a product. Their competitors freely post the processor speed of thier machines. So it's not like it's a closely guarded secret media player companies keep.

Also, I haven't really bashed Xtreamer. I have said a number of times in this thread, I think it looks like a good product, I don't question the validity of the product, after some reviews I think it will be a good player to buy.

So it's not like I'm trolling bad mouthing their player, it's just really sad to see a basic question about their processor. A processor they boast about being really good, meet with hostility. :(


Edit: Also, what does, "we see you making this kind of comments in other platforms as well." even mean? They see me asking about the Realtek on other platforms? Yes, yes I am, because I'd like to know more about it. That's why I started the thread in the first place lol

or

Does it mean I made comments questioning that particular Admin's professionalism, so to prove he is the constant professional he locked my thread, for something said about him on another forum?

Technically the Xtreamer is capable of supporting upto 8 Giga. We will consider more memory if required in the next batches. Once community will become more active participant.

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184)

This is just crazy, I'm trying to be polite, and I'm truly interested in the realtek chipset. :( Just wow


I agree with you. This is not the way to do business. To tell your customers 'watch what you say, we're watching you' or to respond rudely to queries for basic information about a product. They said the same thing to me too when I started this thread.

I agree with you. This is not the way to do business. To tell your customers "watch what you say, we're watching you" or to respond rudely to queries for information on a product. They've said the same thing to me too when I started this thread.

Agreed, I don't know if it's simply they don't want to release any info about the Realtek 128X. If they don't I respect their right not to say anything, but don't be rude about it. Like I'm attacking their company for asking.


Hell, it would be like me asking someone from the Chevy forum about the engine in the new Camero, and them responding with....We see you making this kind of comments in other platforms as well. We have no intention to delete this thread....as we believe that once customers will get their units and will post their reviews here and there, this kind of attitude will be gone and over.

It's just weird. lol

Supposing you were to change the specs of the Xtreamer or add memory after the first or second batch as you suggested is a possibility above: What options would be available to the people who have supported the company by pre-ordering first? (i.e. to upgrade their Xtreamer in the areas it was found to be lacking by the community)

no memory upgrade is needed. Once community will get their hands on the machine and will start play with it you will notice there is more than enough space to do lots of projects.

For now and until further notice will be no memory upgrade in our opinion there is no need for such. It will simply make the device more expensive ...

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=184)

Basicly I had two questions, one about the procession. I'm really interested to know more about the Realtek 128X. Also, I was interested in it's support of .ASS subs. :D

They seem to like your idea of .ASS (most hilarious extension name ever?) subs and want you to provide additional information. link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=98)

They seem to like your idea of .ASS (most hilarious extension name ever?) subs and want you to provide additional information. link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=98)

I saw that :)


I responded by reply in the thread and PM. I'm not really sure what kinda info they want via mail. I'm more than happy to supply them with anything they need, if I can.


Multi-line .ass subtitle support is the number 1 request of any Fan-sub Anime fan. (Imo) It is also my number one "it" feature to make a player leaps and bounds above the rest.

There is a huge long running post about it on the NMT forum, which sadly suffers from the same problem.

WDTV, PHC, Egreat, basically every media player on the market has the same problem with them. So if Xtreamer is able to pull off support it would be a big feather in their cap.

A post by the "Mvix Tech" user/admin: (http://www.mvix.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1060&PN=4)

Maasbommel, as you might have heard Mvix is one of the major contributors of the Xtreamer project. And while we are by no means ignoring our community a lot of our resources are at this time dedicated to Xtreamer. As soon as we'll be able to relocate them we will continue working to create new and exciting Mvix products and improving all those gadgets you already have.

Just in case anyone needed further proof of its legitimacy. ;)

A post by the "Mvix Tech" user/admin: (http://www.mvix.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1060&PN=4)

Just in case anyone needed further proof of its legitimacy. ;)

Thanks drm870, good find.

In all possibility, with only 256MB SDRAM, Xtreamer will probably not be able to support 16 reframe H264 streams.

Can some learned AVSForum member (who understands the intricacies of the 16 reframe issue) clarify that it is indeed the 245 MB required to store the 16 reference frame which prevents hardware players with 256 MB DRAM (such as Egreat EG-M34A) from decoding the stream? Or, has it got to do with the chipset being used (Realtek or Sigma?)

Thanks in advance!

In all possibility, with only 256MB SDRAM, Xtreamer will probably not be able to support 16 reframe H264 streams.

Can some learned AVSForum member (who understands the intricacies of the 16 reframe issue) clarify that it is indeed the 245 MB required to store the 16 reference frame which prevents hardware players with 256 MB DRAM (such as Egreat EG-M34A) from decoding the stream? Or, has it got to do with the chipset being used (Realtek or Sigma?)

Thanks in advance!

Yes and then someone please explain to me why anyone should care about 16 reframes when Blu-ray players and the majority of media players, blu-ray sources and all properly encoded movies don't use it. :)

Yes and then someone please explain to me why anyone should care about 16 reframes when Blu-ray players and the majority of media players, blu-ray sources and all properly encoded movies don't use it. :)

I have lots of 16 reframe MKVs which I have been waiting for months to playback just for the want of a powerful enough device to handle them. (When the 1 year timeframe gets over, I am just going to chuck all this posting on the forums searching for the ultimate one-horned-unicorn player out and just upgrade my HTPC to a more powerful one!)

I know these are junk encodes at the present time, but, in the future, we will soon have video standards which will expect this sort of processing power (Think about 3D streams, 4K displays etc).

Users will have to drive the innovation forward. Unless we request for features, the industry wont respond, and trust me, these sort of features will be routinely required in moving towards the future.

I have lots of 16 reframe MKVs which I have been waiting for months to playback just for the want of a powerful enough device to handle them. (When the 1 year timeframe gets over, I am just going to chuck all this posting on the forums searching for the ultimate one-horned-unicorn player out and just upgrade my HTPC to a more powerful one!)

I know these are junk encodes at the present time, but, in the future, we will soon have video standards which will expect this sort of processing power (Think about 3D streams, 4K displays etc).

Users will have to drive the innovation forward. Unless we request for features, the industry wont respond, and trust me, these sort of features will be routinely required in moving towards the future.

get off your cloud. your not gonna buy a machine and be able to play 4K streams. you talk as if they'll be available within months.

and seeing as all your mkv with 16reframes must be your own converted files, why not re-encode them to more suitable specs.

Ok this is just weird. Growing more interested in Xtreamer, I decided to post over on the Xtreamer site.

Basicly I had two questions, one about the procession. I'm really interested to know more about the Realtek 128X. Also, I was interested in it's support of .ASS subs. :D

So I posted this thread: .....

This was the response from Xtreamer. (Keep in mind this is the Xtreamer user and not XtreamerAdmin.)

This is just crazy, I'm trying to be polite, and I'm truly interested in the realtek chipset. :( Just wow

Edit: As I read it again, I fail to understand how there is an "attitude" to my post. Even when the product is released I'll be interested in the chipset. The Xtreamer reactions is just plan rude, to a polite post, that breaks zero rules, and asks a valid hardware question. :(

All very valid questions IMHO for which in all honesty I am also interested in getting an answer.

Seems like this "admin" is not accustomed at all to interacting with people that know a little more than joe six pack.
His answer does not make much sense either as I do not believe the average user is going to be able to formulate a motivated answer other than 'the picture is great (let's hope so :D). Professional reviews are at least a month away as the device is not even shipping.

To me, for the moment, they have the benefit of the doubt, may be just some growing pains from a start up company. In a few weeks time when the launch pressure has passed, things might look differently. I'll wait and see.

get off your cloud. your not gonna buy a machine and be able to play 4K streams. you talk as if they'll be available within months.

and seeing as all your mkv with 16reframes must be your own converted files, why not re-encode them to more suitable specs.

3D TV is already on sale by JVC or LG, I think, and there are also 3D movies coming out in High Def (Journey to centre of earth or some similar movie, I am not sure of the title name). 4K display being driven by dual GPUs has already been demo-ed by ASUS. These are all coming soon. The 'soon' is not a few months obviously (I don't know what made you infer that from my post). I was just listing out the upcoming advances which will require people to rethink approaches to hardware design.

I could invest in a Nvidia GPU for my HTPC, and be able to decode my 16 reframe videos, but Nvidia GPU doesn't work in some other respects (like HDMI audio native support). I am just another average HTPC guy looking to find the solution to my issues, each of which have been solved by different hardware vendors (ATI, Nvidia, WDTV, and now Xtreamer). I just want to choose the one which smoothens my transition the easiest and also gives me the best return on my research investment. Bouncing off a few ideas with fellow users / suggestions and queries to Xtreamer developers do not merit condescending statements like 'get off your cloud'.

I had already replied to other suggestions about transcoding in the xtreamer forum, and it is not a solution for me with my present set up:

http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=54


Yes, transcoding is the only way out that I know of too.

...

Another issue is that my PC takes ages to transcode x264 video. I am not sure I have patience for that! I would prefer a 'plug and play' solution much more

Hi,
we have now a quick installation guide:

http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=188&sid=6692d7c00432f8dab19f0399a9f2f535

plus a interesting "promise" there

Dear friends

Your units will be on their way to your houses within few days.


Cheers
AppleRedX

we have now a quick installation guide:

http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=188&sid=6692d7c00432f8dab19f0399a9f2f535


Cool! Added this to page 1 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155845) of this thread. Thanks AppleRedX

I dont see FTP or Torrent that a NMT would have. NMT also has advantage of being more "open".

Does anyone have an idea of if Xtreamer is sold in the US...and if it is where do I order it from (Xtreamer website or other US distributor) and what does the cost come to with shipping if purchased directly from Xtreamer. Thought some people on this board might have purchased it. I'm interested in this since I have a MAC and it seems like I can share files wirelessly or via networking through my Airport Extreme that would have a external drive attached to it. Does anyone have experience with intergrating a MAC with any of these media players (WD TV, Egreat M34A, or Xtreamer)?

Does anyone have an idea of if Xtreamer is sold in the US...and if it is where do I order it from (Xtreamer website or other US distributor) and what does the cost come to with shipping if purchased directly from Xtreamer. Thought some people on this board might have purchased it. I'm interested in this since I have a MAC and it seems like I can share files wirelessly or via networking through my Airport Extreme that would have a external drive attached to it. Does anyone have experience with intergrating a MAC with any of these media players (WD TV, Egreat M34A, or Xtreamer)?

You can by directly from the Xtreamer website. I think it is USD 130ish, plus shipping, tax, customs. I am hearing total comes out to around $180ish.

You can by directly from the Xtreamer website. I think it is USD 130ish, plus shipping, tax, customs. I am hearing total comes out to around $180ish.



Comes out to about 138$ (Item) + 29$ (S/H) + 4$ (CC exchange rate fee) + 10$-ish (Customs Tax, The Tax code site is very confusing lol. I figured about 5% tax.)

Comes to about 181$ with the current exchange rate.


But I'd budget for up to 200$ (US) in case customs tax comes out to be more than 5%.

On monday all of you will get change of status in your accounts.

Due to the amount of shipments to process we will start on the 1.7.2009 to send messages to your accounts with tracking numbers as per parcel shipped.

We hope we would be able to process all this quantity in few short days.

First orders paid will be served first.

As all European Community resident customers will get their units pre-paid VAT tax , our team is already preparing the multinational logistics per country.

We hired the services of TNT also due to anticipated load of work. We will serve Russian clients with EMS due to tax issue upon their request.

We promise to do our best and finish all within less than 2 weeks.

Wish us luck, its going to be a hell of a week

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177)

In all possibility, with only 256MB SDRAM, Xtreamer will probably not be able to support 16 reframe H264 streams.

Can some learned AVSForum member (who understands the intricacies of the 16 reframe issue) clarify that it is indeed the 245 MB required to store the 16 reference frame which prevents hardware players with 256 MB DRAM (such as Egreat EG-M34A) from decoding the stream? Or, has it got to do with the chipset being used (Realtek or Sigma?)

Thanks in advance!

It depends on implementation but your math is probably wrong. Most video is stored in YUV format. Only the Y (luminance) channel requires full pixel resolution. UV are stored at half resolution or 1/4 the pixels. So for a 1920x1080 frame, you need 1920*1080*1.5 = 3110400 bytes.

Even for 16 ref frames, that's only ~48 MBytes in total. The issue is not the amount of memory. The problem is usually memory bandwidth. The decoder can't pull data from all of those frames fast enough to reconstruct the decoded frame. Even the popcorn hour with only 256Mb has no trouble playing many 1920x1080 16ref videos as long as the bitrate is not too high.

I expect this player to be slightly faster than the PCH since it uses a similar MIPS core but runs at 400 Mhz vs. 300.

-Mark

It depends on implementation but your math is probably wrong. Most video is stored in YUV format. Only the Y (luminance) channel requires full pixel resolution. UV are stored at half resolution or 1/4 the pixels. So for a 1920x1080 frame, you need 1920*1080*1.5 = 3110400 bytes.

Even for 16 ref frames, that's only ~48 MBytes in total. The issue is not the amount of memory. The problem is usually memory bandwidth. The decoder can't pull data from all of those frames fast enough to reconstruct the decoded frame. Even the popcorn hour with only 256Mb has no trouble playing many 1920x1080 16ref videos as long as the bitrate is not too high.

I expect this player to be slightly faster than the PCH since it uses a similar MIPS core but runs at 400 Mhz vs. 300.

-Mark

Wow. Thanks for the technical explanation Mark!

What do you think about the idea of videos encoded at 16 ref frames? Are there legitimate reasons for this to be done? Are there appreciable benefits? Or are people just encoding video improperly and ineffeciently when they use 16 ref frames? Thanks.

Wow. Thanks for the technical explanation Mark!

What do you think about the idea of videos encoded at 16 ref frames? Are there legitimate reasons for this to be done? Are there appreciable benefits? Or are people just encoding video improperly and ineffeciently when they use 16 ref frames? Thanks.

With a basic idea of how video encoding works, I am trying to explain here:

Though higher number of reference frames is computationally more expensive to both encode and decode, there is appreciable benefit in video sequences with very less motion in them (think of animation). I think if you can represent a block of the picture as a function of upto 16 other frames, the probability that the block is an exact replica of some other block in one of the other frames (upto 16) is very high. Thus, lesser number of bits are required to code the new block. This increases overall compression efficiency (better quality of video while getting lower file size)

Mark, if this doesn't make sense, please do correct me!

link (http://forum.xtreamer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=177)
That shipping soon news sounds perfect. :D

AppleRedX

Hi

Thanks to all the people contributing to the thread. Its been a great time lurking in the shadows.

I just pop in to share a funny story. Some days ago a buy a new tv (pana txp50g10) and I wanted to complement it with a digital player. Thought about the WD, PC, etc, but I wanted something that could stream through my router from my PC. Searching in some spanish forum (forodvd) somebody talk about the Xtreamer.

There started a net quest for this most mysterious "thing". Finally i come down here and enjoyed the interesting thread while at the same time thinking to myself: f..kin´ell, those people that bought it before seeing it have some big balls... well, here I am, after a few days, newly renamed "crazy guy # 1339" :eek:.

F..k me If i know how in hell did this happen!:confused:


Greetings
Sorry for my strange english

.... do not merit condescending statements like 'get off your cloud'.



yea, your right, sorry bout that.

i felt your demands on a media player seemed a bit steep. but your predictions on 'soon' (however you define it) is not correct regarding consumer available feature films/tv in 4k. bluray is still in its early years, no-one knows how long it will last, but its unlikely to be replaced for a while.

and streaming 1080p is barely viable so 4k is certainly out of the question.

also HDTV has really only just taken off, and having a 4k display in demo is very different to selling it at an affordable price along with media files of similar resolution.

3D, who knows, its been in the making for decades, and only now has it got acceptable, yet....will it ever be the standard?

Anyone (geared towards U.S. obviously) thinking about getting the MvixUltio (http://www.mvixusa.com/ultio/1080p-high-definition-home-theater-pc.html) in place of the Xtreamer? From the webiste I can't find any details about the chip being used nor any screenshots of the UI. I also don't see any details about DTS Downmix. I do like the 3.5" internal HDD option over the 2.5" with the Xtreamer. My PCH that I was using for my son's playroom looks like it is dead, so kicking around some ideas for a replacement.

Anyone (geared towards U.S. obviously) thinking about getting the MvixUltio (http://www.mvixusa.com/ultio/1080p-high-definition-home-theater-pc.html) in place of the Xtreamer? From the webiste I can't find any details about the chip being used nor any screenshots of the UI. I also don't see any details about DTS Downmix. I do like the 3.5" internal HDD option over the 2.5" with the Xtreamer. My PCH that I was using for my son's playroom looks like it is dead, so kicking around some ideas for a replacement.

*gasp* Mentioning the "not-Mvix Fuglio(tm)" in the Xtreamer thread?! That's Heresy!! ;)

But seriously:

"Unfortunately MvixUSA - Unicorn partner in USA for the last few years has recently announced their new device - the so called "Mvix Ultio (MX-800HD)" This announcement is to clarify to all that device is not a Unicorn product, nor it will be supported by Unicorn now or in the future in anyway. According to initial Unicorn Investigations to the subject matter, the device is an independent unauthorized OEM initiative made by MVIXUSA and originated from other vendor.

The use of the mvix name brand on any product or publication without the advance explicit authorization or permission of Unicorn Korea was reported to the legal department of the company with a clear instructions to take all necessary steps to protect Unicorn rights without delay.

Please note : Any dealer or an e-tailer worldwide offering the sale or distribution of any Mvix devices without explicit authorization in advance from Unicorn Korea will be held liable for infringing Unicorn rights and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent allowed by the law. Mvix Korea Official site is www.mvix.net

So yeah, I would advise people against sinking money into an "unauthorized" player that is prospectively going to be fought tooth and nail by lawyers and subject to being forcibly taken off the market at any moment.

Xtreamer FTW! Looks hella better too (remote and player itself).

PS: If most of your HDD's are 3.5's, consider getting something like the Thermaltake BlacX HDD Dock (no hub) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153066) orwith hub (http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Blacx-HDD-Dock-Port/dp/B0014KLABI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246035107&sr=8-1). It docks 3.5+2.5" HDD's via USB. I used it for my WDTV and intend to use it for the Xtreamer. It's a great solution, hot swap the drives without having to power down, touch a screw driver, or open any system chasis'. (The BlacX is also an indispensable tool for PC Backups and system migration.)

So yeah, I would advise people against sinking money into an "unauthorized" player that is prospectively going to be fought tooth and nail by lawyers and end up being forcibly taken off the market at any moment.

Xtreamer FTW! Looks hella better too (remote and player itself).

PS: If most of your HDD's are 3.5's, consider getting something like the Thermaltake BlacX HDD Dock (no hub) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153066) orwith hub (http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Blacx-HDD-Dock-Port/dp/B0014KLABI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1246035107&sr=8-1). It docks 3.5+2.5" HDD's via USB. I used it for my WDTV and intend to use it for the Xtreamer. It's a great solution, hot swap the drives without having to power down, or opening any system chasis. (The BlacX is also an indispensable tool for PC Backups and system migration.)

Funny enough, you can't even find the product from the MvixUSA website. They didn't kill the link, just removed getting to the link from the website.

This is a very interesting company :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-syuI8NBVU part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yk2dkctVF8 part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-syuI8NBVU part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yk2dkctVF8 part 2

I want to see footage of it going thru photos. I want to see how quick/slow it is. It appears the Ryan (using a similar chip) is faster than all the existing Sigma chip players. I'm hoping the XTreamer has this speed too!

Any one from Canada pulling the trigger on this ..?
Are they offering international postal services ?

The thing is with UPS crazy brokerage fees, this can end up anything between $2xx-$3xx delivred in Canada.

I can seriously consider building another HTPC with some money on top of that (assuming I have an extra XP sticker misplaced somewhere ;) )

Come on guys, advise me ;)

Does it support FLAC multi channel audio in a MKV container? and if not which of the competitors do?

The front page at www.xtreamer.net was just recently updated with a red countdown timer, counting down the seconds until launch/shipping commences.

http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/17308/zwischenablage01_iSPPL6.jpg (http://www.xtreamer.net/countdown.swf)

Also seen here: http://www.xtreamer.net/countdown.swf

Excited yet?

Does anyone know if it will pull down IMDB info and fan art from the web?

.....Excited yet?

Reminds me of a song by the Pointer Sisters :D