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The Biggest Game Publisher Threatens to Ditch PS3/PSP

This is bad. The prisoners have grabbed the keys. Activision Blizzard, the world's largest producer of video games, is publicly threatening to abandon Sony's PS3 and PSP platforms.

From Activision Blizzard President and CEO Bobby Kotick:

I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. Games generate a better return on invested capital on the Xbox than on the PlayStation...When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support [PS3 and PSP].

Kotick wants to see Sony's licensing fees reduced (Activision paid Sony $500 million in royalties and "other goods" last year) and a PS3 price cut. He probably wouldn't mind seeing some incentives like advertising dollars, either (something Microsoft can be pretty generous about).

Oh, and if there's one publisher that can say these things, it's the conglomerate makers of Call of Duty, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk, multiple Dreamworks and Marvel movie titles, World of Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo—even if those Blizzard games aren't on consoles at this time.

As of now, Kotick's words are just corporate smacktalk (bottom line: Activision still makes money on the platform). But what if a company like EA came forward and said the same thing? No good can come of this for Sony. [TimesOnline]

Wow if this is for real. But how as a company are you going to come out and say somthing like that? How does this benefit them?

Wow if this is for real. But how as a company are you going to come out and say somthing like that? How does this benefit them?

the idea is that it will help force a price cut (by putting pressure on sony), which in turn sells more consoles, which increases the amount of potenial activision customers, which means greater profit for activision..

I really want a price cut so I can justify buying a second PS3.... but with COD4 selling 4.3 million copies on the PS3 and COD:WaW selling 3.3 million copies on the PS3 I think this is laughable....

the idea is that it will help force a price cut (by putting pressure on sony), which in turn sells more consoles, which increases the amount of potenial activision customers, which means greater profit for activision..

I understood that but they along with others have been begging for price cuts since the beginning of the year and Sony has stated many times it ain't coming.(not right now it ain't)
It isn't like Sony will make a press conference on Monday saying we have now cut the price of the PS3. When it does come around the end of the Summer I don't see a cut of $100 dollars when they are still bleeding. That was why they cut the price of the PS2 and all it did was bump it one month and then it came back down this past month.

What Activision can do is not do timed exclusives with the DLC or make it timed exclusive for the PS3 version if you are doing so well with the 360 version to help profits. Don't blame it all on the price when you are affecting a small part into sales for your products on the PS3 IMO.

I'm no fan of activision and espeically Bobby the CEO but the 400 dollar price tag has stopped me from owning a PS3 for 2 years now. Yeah I could afford it but the price isn't justified to me.

I recall a story from about a year ago where EA said Sony's platform was their biggest moneymaker. Maybe Activision's problem is Activision. It sounds like a bluff, anyway.

...When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support [PS3 and PSP]...

I work for a large technology corporation and saying stuff like this, is ALWAYS just corporate executive strong-arm ********.

They can say what they will. They're simply trying to leverage their (extremely) large position into more profit for themselves.

But it comes down to the fact that they're still making some money and pulling development from the PS3\PSP doesnt make any real sense at all.

Yikes. This is not good news.

I work for a large technology corporation and saying stuff like this, is ALWAYS just corporate executive strong-arm ********.



Exactly. It sounds like Activision and Sony have a contract up for renewal, and Activision wants to negotiate in the press.

And, you can always count on Stangs55 to only pop up posting PS3 threads when it's perceived bad news...

Here's the actual article:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece

LOL. This is laughable. Maybe he's mad that inFAMOUS blows the crap out of Prototype.

I guess I would look at like this; If I am Activision and paying 500miilion in fees to be able produce games for the PS3, I believe that my product would help increase the sales of the PS3, I would come out with a statement like that. For me its all about game play, not what plays the game. I have the Xbox360, WII and the PS3 and are used in that order. The PS3 more of a blu-ray player.:D

I don't think I've played a Activision Dev'ed/Published game besides COD4/5; and those weren't even that great.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Activision after all is becoming the new EA. Bottom line is everything, and their games are suffering big time. Three IP's: COD, WOW, and Rock band/GH brought in the bulk of their revenue last year. GH/RB screwing over their customer base with unique and non-cross-game controllers.

Personally, I think they're butt hurt over Prototype and Sonys success with inFamous mixed in with some contract PR positioning.

And, you can always count on Stangs55 to only pop up posting PS3 threads when it's perceived bad news...


Let's not make this personal kiddo. Don't be angry at me for opening a discussion on a topic that Gizmodo, Engadet, and Joystiq are all covering on their front page right now. :rolleyes: Last time I checked, I've got over 15 PS3 games in my gaming closet.

LOL. This is laughable. Maybe he's mad that inFAMOUS blows the crap out of Prototype.

:( Infamous was incredible and ruined most other open world games for me...including the POS prototype.

LOL. This is laughable. Maybe he's mad that inFAMOUS blows the crap out of Prototype.

he doesn't give a crap about prototype. Activision didn't develop it and they paid pennies on the dollar to aquire it in the vivendi acquistion. Honestly prototype may not be infamous but frankly the only thing they have is common is that they have an open world. Infamous is a crap sandbox game but a great game. Prototype is a soso game but a terrific sandbox game. As gabe from penny-arcade put it:
You can karate kick a helicopter...WHAT THE **** ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT!?"

Pacther said a price cut would cost Sony $350 mil.

I think this is just BS from Activision.

Yeah...strong arm Sony..that will work.When Activision just sold over 1 Million downloads for the W@W map pack 2. Pure BS for someone at Activision to come out and have diarrhea of the mouth.

Corporate speak for "stop making us pay so much in royalty fees" and "we don't feel like working extra hard to tap into the wealth of power the PS3 offers when we can be lazy and just make Wii and 360 games."

No way this would ever happen. He's just talking sh*t to piss someone off at Sony.

Pacther said a price cut would cost Sony $350 mil.

I think this is just BS from Activision.

Evidently that loss is covered by the royalties activision pays...just sayin :D

I think we'd all like to see a price cut...so we could all get the 2nd PS3 we want. But I'm leaning towards this being a bluff as well. I understand you wanting to make more money, but if you're turning a profit, there are other ways to maximize the return.

Also, there's no clear cut correlation between console price and attach rate for certain games. If the price goes down on the PS3, it could just be more HT enthusiasts that pick them up and the sales of Activision games remains the same.

Fortunately, for Mr.Kotick he has a team of people at Activision that do REAL work and clean up for the BS he's spewing. Phone calls have probably already been placed between organizations to make sure everyones on the "Same Page".

These power moves are embarrassing to watch when played out in the media since a majority of people dont understand the politics behind dumbass statements like what Bobby Kotick is saying. He has no real bottom-line decision power. All real decisions get decided behind tightly closed doors with a limited set of "Very Knowledgeable People" from both sides of the equation.

All he's really doing is providing bluster and ammunition to folks that subscribe to "console war" ridiculousness.

I think we'd all like to see a price cut...so we could all get the 3rd PS3 we want. But I'm leaning towards this being a bluff as well. I understand you wanting to make more money, but if you're turning a profit, there are other ways to maximize the return.

Also, there's no clear cut correlation between console price and attach rate for certain games. If the price goes down on the PS3, it could just be more HT enthusiasts that pick them up and the sales of Activision games remains the same.

Fixed!

Fixed!
Hmm, I wonder if I got enough points to get a free PS3 with my Sony Rewards credit card.

I had enough at one point, but then spent about $200 worth of points to get my wife a camera for christmas in 2006.

But, then they did a price cut.

Exactly. It sounds like Activision and Sony have a contract up for renewal, and Activision wants to negotiate in the press.

Yeah, this seemed like the key to the article: "Kotick wants to see Sony's licensing fees reduced..." He doesn't care about a console price cut, he just wants to pay less to continue making what they already make. "Losing ground" just means that Sony's installed base is growing at a slower rate, but it's still growing rapidly. No way Activision drops that chunk of sales, come on. Statements like this just hurt the PS3's public image, it's not an efficient way to negotiate.

Originally posted by Replicant Nexus6
All he's really doing is providing bluster and ammunition to folks that subscribe to "console war" ridiculousness.
Yup, the xbots will eat this up...

Infamous is a crap sandbox game but a great game.You know, that actually is a great description. I hate (abhor might be a better word) "sandbox" games. So the fact that I am addicated to inFAMOUS like crack lines up pretty well with calling it not a sandbox game.

If Call of Duty 4 could sell 4.5 million units on the PS3 in 2007 then it's current install base isn't hindering product sales for Activision. This is little more than the loudmouth CEO of the least consumer friendly publisher in the industry trying to rile up stupid people and get the internet abuzz to pressure Sony into dropping the price of their system sooner. It's an empty threat.

This is a totally hollow threat meant to make Activision sound like it's on the side of gamers. Makes them look like they forced Sony's hand when everyone already assumes a $100 price cut is coming within a couple of months. :rolleyes:

This is what I posted on Gizmodo (some references obviously may not apply to the forum users here):

Heh.. pretty stupid, really. Does this moron even know what he's talking about (you'd *think* so)? He sounds about as clueless as all the x360 fanbois running their ignorant mouths off here in these comments. The PS3 is the most intelligent, powerful, and full-featured console availble (in history). It hasn't lost momentum in the slightest, in fact -- just the opposite. Hell, the next year and half are already positioned to be easily the biggest for the platform yet! Uncharted 2, FFXIII, GoW3, MAG, GT5, just to name a few. Sony has done the smart thing and made the superior console ALSO an intuitive and powerful home media device. You tools complain about the price, when in reality it was worth DOUBLE at launch and is still worth much more than the MSRP to anyone with half a brain and a lick of intelligent, common sense. As soon as Sony lowers the price, you will undoubtedly see their already-strong sales skyrocket even further. They have the best hardware, the best support, the best exclusives, the best features, and a FREE store/network. They just don't have throngs of talentless hacks who want to play Halo on their side (which unfortunately is a powerful thing in this gen). They've won the last 2 genwars hands down, and they're already on their way to dominating this one (considering the Wii isn't a "true" competitor, and that's from a Wii owner here). Once they overcome the x360's full year headstart, there will be no need to look back. MS and its fanboi throngs will have to pony up for the x720 or w/e to even have a remote chance of keeping up. Once you all supress or release the urge to label me as a stupid Sony fanboi or w/e, keep in mind that A) you're a complete ****ing idiot; B) I'm a 'fanboi' of the superior product that gives me the most for my money, and am willing to change loyalties at any point. I've already done so with AMD v Intel, ATI v nVidia, and similar matchups; & C) your mom bought you the x360 because it was cheaper, not because it was better.

c) your mom bought you the x360 because it was cheaper, not because it was better.

lol!

Were you being serious or did I miss internet sarcasm in that?

This is what I posted on Gizmodo (some references obviously may not apply to the forum users here):

Heh.. pretty stupid, really. Does this moron even know what he's talking about (you'd *think* so)? He sounds about as clueless as all the x360 fanbois running their ignorant mouths off here in these comments. The PS3 is the most intelligent, powerful, and full-featured console availble (in history). It hasn't lost momentum in the slightest, in fact -- just the opposite. Hell, the next year and half are already positioned to be easily the biggest for the platform yet! Uncharted 2, FFXIII, GoW3, MAG, GT5, just to name a few. Sony has done the smart thing and made the superior console ALSO an intuitive and powerful home media device. You tools complain about the price, when in reality it was worth DOUBLE at launch and is still worth much more than the MSRP to anyone with half a brain and a lick of intelligent, common sense. As soon as Sony lowers the price, you will undoubtedly see their already-strong sales skyrocket even further. They have the best hardware, the best support, the best exclusives, the best features, and a FREE store/network. They just don't have throngs of talentless hacks who want to play Halo on their side (which unfortunately is a powerful thing in this gen). They've won the last 2 genwars hands down, and they're already on their way to dominating this one (considering the Wii isn't a "true" competitor, and that's from a Wii owner here). Once they overcome the x360's full year headstart, there will be no need to look back. MS and its fanboi throngs will have to pony up for the x720 or w/e to even have a remote chance of keeping up. Once you all supress or release the urge to label me as a stupid Sony fanboi or w/e, keep in mind that A) you're a complete ****ing idiot; B) I'm a 'fanboi' of the superior product that gives me the most for my money, and am willing to change loyalties at any point. I've already done so with AMD v Intel, ATI v nVidia, and similar matchups; & C) your mom bought you the x360 because it was cheaper, not because it was better.

Hope that was a troll post to get a rise and not an actual opinion.

:p

Well I just threw my two PS3s away. I mean what is the point of holding onto them. It isn't like they are good for anything else like Blu Ray, Media Server, net browsing, playing CD's, SACD's, DVD's.

lwright, with exception to some obvious bias as you progressed in your comments, I more than agree with most of what you are saying. The PS3 really is one of if not the best CE product ever for what it can do.

Are you guys kidding? Everything-ish about that post was serious, factual, and reality-based. What are you guys missing? Maybe you missed that my inciteful comments were directed at the Gizmodo users, and not the AVS forums users (as I stated in my disclaimer at the beginning of the post). I just didn't feel like redirecting the post and went for the quick copy-and-paste-with-disclaimer route.

lwright84 just shot himself in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about AVS culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Gizmodo where you can become respected by being an *******. If you screw someone over in AVS, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the AVS, after hearing about this, is not going to want to read any of lwright84's comments, nor will they click on lwright84's links. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but lwright84 has alienated an entire AVS subforum with his post on Activision.

lwright84, publicly apologize and edit your post or you can kiss your web forum credibility goodbye.

Yup, fanboys are a subgroup of the genus internet troll. To deal with them effectively, like a troll, you post an insightful opinion based on fact, and don't bother to get sucked in to their bloviating.

Otherwise, go for a TB derailment and point out teh funny.

Fighting them with their own style is going full-******.

I really want a price cut so I can justify buying a second PS3.... but with COD4 selling 4.3 million copies on the PS3 and COD:WaW selling 3.3 million copies on the PS3 I think this is laughable....

Bingo. It would be an asinine business move for Activision to cancel PS3 development. Sounds like a transparent negotiating ploy.

I certainly hope I never lose my web forum credibility.

I certainly hope I never lose my web forum credibility.

Post of the year.

Post of the year.

Post of the year declaration of the year.

I certainly hope I never lose my web forum credibility.

Don't worry Charlie Brown....you're safe. :D

lwright84 just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about AVS culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in Gizmodo where you can become respected by being an *******. If you screw someone over in AVS, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the AVS, after hearing about this, is not going to want to read any of lwright84's comments, nor will they click on lwright84's links. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but lwright84 has alienated an entire AVS subforum with his post on Activision.

lwright84, publicly apologize and edit your post or you can kiss your web forum credibility goodbye.


What's that from?

lol you guys must have glazed right over the first sentence in my initial post. No worries, have fun with it. Doesn't change how relevant to gizmodo and similar mindsets and accurate in general the following paragraph was.

So be it. As it stands, the issue of your web forum credibility on the interwebz remains unresolved.

This is what I posted on Gizmodo (some references obviously may not apply to the forum users here):

Heh.. pretty stupid, really. Does this moron even know what he's talking about (you'd *think* so)? He sounds about as clueless as all the x360 fanbois running their ignorant mouths off here in these comments. The PS3 is the most intelligent, powerful, and full-featured console availble (in history). It hasn't lost momentum in the slightest, in fact -- just the opposite. Hell, the next year and half are already positioned to be easily the biggest for the platform yet! Uncharted 2, FFXIII, GoW3, MAG, GT5, just to name a few. Sony has done the smart thing and made the superior console ALSO an intuitive and powerful home media device. You tools complain about the price, when in reality it was worth DOUBLE at launch and is still worth much more than the MSRP to anyone with half a brain and a lick of intelligent, common sense. As soon as Sony lowers the price, you will undoubtedly see their already-strong sales skyrocket even further. They have the best hardware, the best support, the best exclusives, the best features, and a FREE store/network. They just don't have throngs of talentless hacks who want to play Halo on their side (which unfortunately is a powerful thing in this gen). They've won the last 2 genwars hands down, and they're already on their way to dominating this one (considering the Wii isn't a "true" competitor, and that's from a Wii owner here). Once they overcome the x360's full year headstart, there will be no need to look back. MS and its fanboi throngs will have to pony up for the x720 or w/e to even have a remote chance of keeping up. Once you all supress or release the urge to label me as a stupid Sony fanboi or w/e, keep in mind that A) you're a complete ****ing idiot; B) I'm a 'fanboi' of the superior product that gives me the most for my money, and am willing to change loyalties at any point. I've already done so with AMD v Intel, ATI v nVidia, and similar matchups; & C) your mom bought you the x360 because it was cheaper, not because it was better.


tl; dr

how many price cuts do they want? this is the PS3 were talking about..not an Atari. i think someone lost tons of money on crappy games they made and now they are trying to take cheap shots at sony so they can recover from those loses. anyways. i sense a PS3 price cuts soon on the horizon.

What's that from?

What do you mean? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11960243&postcount=1766)

Are you guys kidding? Everything-ish about that post was serious, factual, and reality-based. What are you guys missing? Maybe you missed that my inciteful comments were directed at the Gizmodo users, and not the AVS forums users (as I stated in my disclaimer at the beginning of the post). I just didn't feel like redirecting the post and went for the quick copy-and-paste-with-disclaimer route.

You are right you are the most factual reality-based guy here! can you tell me what is really going on with aliens, govt mind control...

if by 2010/2011 activision still having a hard time developing games for the ps3.. they need to hire new staff..

What Activision can do is not do timed exclusives with the DLC or make it timed exclusive for the PS3 version if you are doing so well with the 360 version to help profits. Don't blame it all on the price when you are affecting a small part into sales for your products on the PS3 IMO.

How will that help them, it'll just shift buyers from one platform to another. What they want is increased sales across the board.

I'm not surprised they're threatening to drop PSP development. I'm surprised Sony's still trying so hard to keep that device alive.

As for PS3 development, I'd hazard a guess they'll stick with it for their existing development teams, but may drop support with new IP, unless they get some sort of kick back - either marketing dollars or reduced fees.

Long term I think Sony will try and repeat the PSP pricing model. The problem is it's not hackable, so hardware sales aren't going to be as high.

I will never understand this type of thread and the kind of responses.

Ok lets look at the Ps3.

1) It's a Blu ray player. A damn good one. I still to this day use it as my main player. I have yet to find a stand alone player I would rather have. I would really like the Pioneer Elite player to be the one but I don't think it is. The Oppo is very nice but I have yet to get my hands on one.

2) It's a Sacd player over HDMI. The older models have this ability and it's very nice.

3) It's a DVD player. Average but still a player.

4) Built in Media server. Cd's sound fantastic over HDMI and even Optical. I don't really use it anymore for this feature but I do like it a lot.

5) It's a fine game console. I have all the current consoles and I really don't play the Ps3 that often. I prefer the Xbox 360 only because of LIVE. If it didn't have LIVE I would not use it at all. It's a piece of junk. I'm on my forth console. They break down all the time. I have owned my Ps3 for a long time now with no issues at all. It works great.

Down side to the Ps3 has always been the ability to control it. I would love it to be IP controlled. IR would be nice as well or even a Serial port. Just give me another way to control it and I would be extremely happy. I use a Nyko USB control with a MSC400 to control it but I can't control power. Someone released a unit but I have not researched it. It's the only flaw I see with it.

So for the older 599.99 asking price I firmly believe this unit is a bargain. For 399.99 it's a steal. I don't see how anyone would think it's not worth the asking price. We all would like things for nothing but the Ps3 is well worth it's asking price.

Dan

SONY's CEO already announced in Sony's E3 presentation that they were cutting the costs for game developers.

Seems like corporate bluster on Activisions part,as if you are really going to cease producing games for a console that has such a large and growing install base,especially in Europe and Japan compared to the Xbox.
They might as well say that they are only going to produce games for the US market.

Then again,there have been idiots in charge of corporations before.

Activisions roster of games seem to cater more for those who would own a Xpox anyway IMHO.

Activision acts like 22.5 million consoles is insignificant. Yes its less than the 360, but what did the first xbox sell in its total life span, 25 million. 22.5 million at a $600 to $400 price point is pretty impressive. That being said I was hoping for a price cut at E3... and if there isn't one by holiday 2009 then I will be pretty disappointed...

Down side to the Ps3 has always been the ability to control it. I would love it to be IP controlled. IR would be nice as well or even a Serial port. Just give me another way to control it and I would be extremely happy. I use a Nyko USB control with a MSC400 to control it but I can't control power. Someone released a unit but I have not researched it. It's the only flaw I see with it.

So for the older 599.99 asking price I firmly believe this unit is a bargain. For 399.99 it's a steal. I don't see how anyone would think it's not worth the asking price. We all would like things for nothing but the Ps3 is well worth it's asking price.

Dan

Harmony Remote + Harmony PS3 controller (or IR4PS3, that's what I have).

this is what i posted on gizmodo (some references obviously may not apply to the forum users here):

Heh.. Pretty stupid, really. Does this moron even know what he's talking about (you'd *think* so)? He sounds about as clueless as all the x360 fanbois running their ignorant mouths off here in these comments. The ps3 is the most intelligent, powerful, and full-featured console availble (in history). It hasn't lost momentum in the slightest, in fact -- just the opposite. Hell, the next year and half are already positioned to be easily the biggest for the platform yet! Uncharted 2, ffxiii, gow3, mag, gt5, just to name a few. Sony has done the smart thing and made the superior console also an intuitive and powerful home media device. You tools complain about the price, when in reality it was worth double at launch and is still worth much more than the msrp to anyone with half a brain and a lick of intelligent, common sense. As soon as sony lowers the price, you will undoubtedly see their already-strong sales skyrocket even further. They have the best hardware, the best support, the best exclusives, the best features, and a free store/network. They just don't have throngs of talentless hacks who want to play halo on their side (which unfortunately is a powerful thing in this gen). They've won the last 2 genwars hands down, and they're already on their way to dominating this one (considering the wii isn't a "true" competitor, and that's from a wii owner here). Once they overcome the x360's full year headstart, there will be no need to look back. Ms and its fanboi throngs will have to pony up for the x720 or w/e to even have a remote chance of keeping up. Once you all supress or release the urge to label me as a stupid sony fanboi or w/e, keep in mind that a) you're a complete ****ing idiot; b) i'm a 'fanboi' of the superior product that gives me the most for my money, and am willing to change loyalties at any point. I've already done so with amd v intel, ati v nvidia, and similar matchups; & c) your mom bought you the x360 because it was cheaper, not because it was better.

qft

Activision has regrettably been taken over by bean counters.

The same sort of bean counters that had the XBOX made to such shoddy design and QC standards, that if you actually counted units actually sold [vis a vie REPLACED] are more like half as most are replacements for broken units.

I've got one of these green dust collectors at home,elite model I bought the same day I bought my original 60g PS3.
I've played 2 games through on it,must of powered it up 50 times max in the 2.5 years I've owned it.
It won't connect to the internet now,I just turned it on one day and all my internet info had been wiped,tried manual input of all internet related things,tried different modem NAT etc settings [I'm not a fool in this regard]but the Fu(ker won't work.
I messaged a mate over the PSN and asked what might be wrong,he said the network card,I never played with the snotbox online anyway so I haven't been too perturbed,only ever used it for system updates & free demos of the totally average fair.

He messaged me back 3 days later that 2 of his friends [the name that I hate to mention now] crasholes had broken,one was only 2 weeks old.
They were told a 4 month wait for repair here in Australia as the failure rate is that bad.

Activision & Microsoft....what a combo.

Crappy console and average at best games.

This is the business equivalent of doing a rain dance in April and then taking public credit when it rains. :rolleyes:

Corporate structure.

VINENDI is the parent company of Activision.

ACTIVISION is a Publishing house [nothing more,a broker so to speak]

It has numerous DEVELOPMENT HOUSES contracted and "partially owned" by them to supply games.

Activision has NO control over these game developers other than purely contractual.

If said gaming developers decided that Activisions stance was against their interest,well they could take them to court for various reasons,even though Activision might be a major share holder of that game developer.

Conflict of interest,inhibited trading ..etc.

Only a complete fool would bring this onto a company and all it's subsidiaries.

SO all in all a total BS stance by the idiot in charge of Activision [as seen at a stock market level]

Harmony Remote + Harmony PS3 controller (or IR4PS3, that's what I have).

Is this a IR based Device? Can it be controlled by any universal remote? I'm gonna assume so. I gotta do some research on this. Does it control on and off?

i would do the same as i did to my ex girlfriend.

when i finished the relationship with her, she wanted to jump from the second floor. i said go jump. she didnt do it.

to activision i would say. sure leave ps3 and psp. i bet activision will not do it either :)

Ouchy (http://gizmodo.com/5296617/the-biggest-game-publisher-threatens-to-ditch-ps3psp)

I'm not even going to read past this first post. Kotick has to be one of the greediest gingers on the planet. This is the same guy selling $200 guitar hero package. Yea, the PS3 version of Activision games don't sell as well as their counterpart but its still a respectable 40%. And no, Activision is not going to leave that kind of cash on the table. This is an empty threat from a CEO that already knows a price cut is coming.

On the same note, I'm starting a petition to boycott the PS3 if Uncharted doesn't release prior to 2013. :rolleyes:

This is the same guy selling $200 guitar hero package.

Isn't the Beatles game going to be the same way?

Isn't the Beatles game going to be the same way?Don't forget $120 for the new Tony Hawk game and $120 for DJ Hero. :rolleyes:

Isn't the Beatles game going to be the same way?

that is not made by activision

that is not made by activision

Yeah. I'm saying Activision is not the only company doing high-priced peripheral-games (they seem to be doing a ton of them, though).

Kotick has lost all credibility.

http://www.destructoid.com/modern-warfare-boycott--141418.phtml

You forgot about the $149 COD:MW2 Prestige Edition.

Kotick has lost all credibility.

http://www.destructoid.com/modern-warfare-boycott--141418.phtml

You guys need to post quotes for us here that are at work...

You guys need to post quotes for us here that are at work...

Activision is going to charge £54.99 for MW2 in the UK. I think that's around $80 US. :rolleyes:

This could eventually effect us all, not just UK. If people don't stand up to this sh$t, big release titles might end up being more than the current $60. FWIW, I will do my little part by either keep playing KZ2 instead of buying MW2, or buy it used from Gamestop so it doesn't show in there sales numbers. Maybe others will do the same... but I doubt it...

This could eventually effect us all, not just UK. If people don't stand up to this sh$t, big release titles might end up being more than the current $60. FWIW, I will do my little part by either keep playing KZ2 instead of buying MW2, or buy it used from Gamestop so it doesn't show in there sales numbers. Maybe others will do the same... but I doubt it...
I'll do the same. Wait for it to be out a month and grab it from GS or Ebay.

If people don't stand up to this sh$t, big release titles might end up being more than the current $60.Newsflash: most big releases already are more than $60. Factor in peripherals, special editions, and DLC, and you're looking at most major titles already costing $80-200.

I will probably find a deal rather than waiting to play a month instead of worrying about getting the "man"

Newsflash: most big releases already are more than $60. Factor in peripherals, special editions, and DLC, and you're looking at most major titles already costing $80-200."Most" is a huge overstatement, and even so it isn't an apples to apples comparison.

- Peripherals typically these can be used over multiple iterations and even across games, although there were some notable hiccups early on in the band game days. They are also not typically a money-making proposition - they inflate revenue, true, but not profits particularly. They are required for the games that utilize them. If the games are good and sell well, that's proof enough for me that it isn't a blatent money-grab.
- Special editions are almost always optional. You can still buy the $60 edition if you don't care for the crap you get with a special edition.
- DLC is a somewhat valid point, because there are a handful of games that have come out at $60 and then immediately released meaningful DLC that arguably should have been included in the OOB price. However, the DLC is still optional, whereas the higher pricepoint title is an MSRP and will not be available in a lesser-priced version (I am assuming that in this case, I haven't fact-checked).

All in all I am not too worried, I don't expect to see the "normal" versions of console games that do not bundle peripherals breaking $60 this generation. The console market is much more rigid than the PC market and it's very hard to raise prices when the consoles themselves haven't changed. I would worry more about a possible price hike when the next round of consoles are introduced, and that would be industry-wide, not just a crappy move by Activision.

Anyway, just my $0.02.

Activision can suck it. I hate DLC, and I sure as hell think that $60 is a lot already for an "unfinished game". I will go out of my way not to buy Activision games, not that I was going to buy MW2 anyways since I hated MW1 and thought it was the most overrated POS i've ever seen.

October is such a packed month (Uncharted 2, Demon's Souls, Dragon Age & Borderlands), I won't have any trouble skipping out on MF2 (Nov. 10). Add Brutal Legend to the mix (if Activision fails in their attempt to stop its release) and my hands are full for the rest of the year. Besides, I"m more of a Battlefield guy anyways when it comes to multiplayer.

Activision can suck it. I hate DLC, and I sure as hell think that $60 is a lot already for an "unfinished game". I will go out of my way not to buy Activision games, not that I was going to buy MW2 anyways since I hated MW1 and thought it was the most overrated POS i've ever seen.

Activision and Capcom are slowly becoming the new EA

Originally posted by confidenceman
Newsflash: most big releases already are more than $60. Factor in peripherals, special editions, and DLC, and you're looking at most major titles already costing $80-200.
Special editions and DLC are optional...........................

Special editions and DLC are optional...........................

As are Peripherals. BT and Eye toy, Steering wheels arent needed in order to play the games (except for that one game that uses the eye toy to read cards...) Other than that one, I cant think of a single game that came out that YOU HAD TOO buy a Peripheral in order to play it.

As are Peripherals. BT and Eye toy, Steering wheels arent needed in order to play the games (except for that one game that uses the eye toy to read cards...) Other than that one, I cant think of a single game that came out that YOU HAD TOO buy a Peripheral in order to play it.

Activision's other cash cow was one of them. And they made damn sure you couldn't use older devices.

I lost all respect for Activision when my World Tour guitar stopped working less than 12 hours out of the box, and they wanted me to pay for it to be shipped to them. I just paid $100 for your ****ing bundle, you ****s. **** you, Activision.

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I lost all respect for Activision when my World Tour guitar stopped working less than 12 hours out of the box, and they wanted me to pay for it to be shipped to them. I just paid $100 for your ****ing bundle, you ****s. **** you, Activision.

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That sucks. My GH3 guitar still works fine, I'm using it with RB2 which I just picked up. Amazingly it's still on the original set of batteries.
Do you like the RB2 guitar better?

That sucks. My GH3 guitar still works fine, I'm using it with RB2 which I just picked up. Amazingly it's still on the original set of batteries.
Do you like the RB2 guitar better?

I haven't used the RB2 guitar, I'm using my old GH3 guitar as well, which is still kickin'

I really liked the World Tour guitar, it felt great, but the switches for the strum bar are cheap, apparently. I'm looking into fixing it myself this week, I guess its pretty easy.

Special editions and DLC are optional...........................As are games themselves. If it's too expensive, you can choose not to buy it. ;)

Regardless, my point was that this is how publishers have been increasing prices without having to increase the price tag at the store of a standard release.

Yeah I definately not waiting on this one and I pre-ordered the Prestige Edition anyway. I wonder if the folks over in the U.K. after seeing what is in store with this latest video will back off on the petition.

Customized Perks and already know what my favorite one will be. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBJcOy6iuUc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ethebitbag%2Ecom%2F2009%2F07%2F27%2Fm odern%2Dwarfare%2D2%2Dmultiplayer%2Dfootage%2Fcomment%2Dpage %2D1%2F%23comment%2D9452&feature=player_embedded)

Enjoy

Activision and Capcom are slowly becoming the new EA

Well, Capcom always has been a mini-EA. Aside from the occasional creative bursts like Devil May Cry or the revitalized RE series, they've always run their franchises into the ground with repetitive yearly releases. Activision only recently has some good franchises to make us sick of. :D

I lost all respect for Activision when my World Tour guitar stopped working less than 12 hours out of the box, and they wanted me to pay for it to be shipped to them. I just paid $100 for your ****ing bundle, you ****s. **** you, Activision.

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Just what the ****ing **** are you ****ing trying to ****ing say? :D

You know considering the ridiculous cost of these peripherals, at some point it becomes cheaper, and more rewarding, to just buy a real electric guitar and teach yourself how to play. :eek:

Just what the ****ing **** are you ****ing trying to ****ing say? :D

You know considering the ridiculous cost of these peripherals, at some point it becomes cheaper, and more rewarding, to just buy a real electric guitar and teach yourself how to play. :eek:

so ****ing true!

I don't have the time or patience for that ****.

I don't have the time or patience for that ****.

**** that!

**** you!

**** you!

**** you, too!

Reported.

Reported.

**** your report!

This is a ****ing great thread. You guys are some of the ****ing funniest ****s that I've ever ****ed.

This is a ****ing great thread. You guys are some of the ****ing funniest ****s that I've ever ****ed.

You **** guys?

You **** guys?

Not that there's anything ****ing wrong with that.

Not that there's anything ****ing wrong with that.

You must be out of your ****ing mind if you think there's nothing ****ing wrong with that! **** that!

Mom, the meatloaf, ****!

I am reminded of the first time my wife watched me play a game online. I was playing COD4, and some kid was cursing like a sailor and yelling at his mom to order him some calzones. She still brings that up and teases me about playing with the kiddies. Good ****in times.

I don't have the time or patience for that ****.


:confused:

: poopcorn :

You must be out of your ****ing mind if you think there's nothing ****ing wrong with that! **** that!

This is similar to watching an episode of "Deadliest Catch." There is so much bleeping that it is hard to hear the few remaining words of the sentences.

Like they said in G-Force "Yippie kay yay coffee maker"
I just wanted to say that.