Ok I just got back from Transformers 2.

This movie on Blu Ray will have the most LFE content that we will ever have encountered in a movie. Mark my words. The DLP Theater I was in is probably the best in Cleveland, and it was STRUGGLING with the amount of LFE during the movie. The picture quality and graphics were AMAZING and the Blu-Ray of this could very well overtake Cloverfield and WOTW in terms of sheer LFE content!

there is already a thread here about this.

there is already a thread here about this.

And the link for this fine thread is......?????

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1157870

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1157870

yup

I made sure my system can handle any movie, bring it on.

i made sure my system can handle any movie, bring it on.

+1

Didn't see it because the title didn't mention the movie title.

Oh man,i hope my vtf-1 hsu sub woofer will handle it ha ha that would suck if it blows up. :eek: I'm gonna see this movie on a friday. :D

Cannot wait to give the PB13 a good workout

I think the dual PB13-Us should be up to the task.

Some scenes was good(forest fight), some scenes was like...um, where was bass(especially that wheelie crashing bridge), could be those jbl 4xxx speakers fault,or just the sound mix, or then i was sitting in null(probably), because t4 seem have overall better lfe in there.

Movie was pretty stupid(in good way:p), but i liked it and especially liked my hometown theater new dlp picture quality.:eek::cool:

I was hoping Transformers 2 would be a decent movie, but unfortunately the movie itself was pretty bad. Granted, I didn't expect the world - I knew better. But the dialog was stupid, the jokes fell flat, the story was weak (but not a dealbreaker), and Mudflap and Skids are going to co-reign with Jar Jar Binks on my "worst movie characters ever" list. That said, the audio/video side of things was extremely impressive. The IMAX theater at which I saw it looked and sounded great, though the subs seemed like they couldn't always keep up. Overall I was let down but not too surprised. Despite its flaws, I'll probably end up picking it up on Blu-ray when it comes out simply as a reference demo disc.

and Mudflap and Skids are going to co-reign with Jar Jar Binks on my "worst movie characters ever" list.

Oh God no. No, please no.

Oh God no. No, please no.

Have you not yet seen the movie? I'm sorry. I should have put that in SPOILER TAGS then...I'd hate to ruin the surprise for everyone :p:D

This movie's LFE will separate the men from the boys.

If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though.

weren't we saying the same thing 2 years ago??

Have you not yet seen the movie? I'm sorry. I should have put that in SPOILER TAGS then...I'd hate to ruin the surprise for everyone :p:D

I have to agree with you in regards to the story line. I understand they are trying to appeal to those who are not familiar with the series, but as someone as who grew up watching it, I feel that they could have been more faithful to the original cast/line, and still had a knockout. They really went overboard with some of the characters.

As far as the bass? The theater I saw it at is fairly new, but they placed more of an importance on the visual aspect of the experience. The first words that came from my wifes mouth was "I can't wait for it to come out on BD so we can watch it at home, it'll be so much better". ;)

This movie's LFE will separate the men from the boys.

If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though.

what about dual 12's :confused:

what about dual 12's :confused:

If you room is 10'x8'x8' sure...jk..but really it does depend on subs in question, room volume, room acoustics, and level you want to obtain and at what frequency that level is...

If you room is 10'x8'x8' sure...jk..but really it does depend on subs in question, room volume, room acoustics, and level you want to obtain and at what frequency that level is...

well im running 2 pa120's.. not the best ,,but definately not the worst...

it will have to do...

i cant wait to see the movie myself.. im just looking to be entertained.. audibly and visually

Mudflap and Skids are going to co-reign with Jar Jar Binks on my "worst movie characters ever" list.


I agree that character ruined episode 1 for me. I didnt even really care to see 2-3 after the first one.

When i first watched Transformers 1 i think it blew my sub, it was never right after that movie.

Can you imagine the miles those movies put on sound systems all over the world. Running that movie over and over with that pounding bass for weeks!:eek: Then when they move them from the larger theaters to the smaller ones and then those systems take poundings :rolleyes:

The best place to sit in a theater
is at lease 3 rows back from the wall. Not in the center but more on far left or far right. :)

Mudflap and Skid's were funny. I loved them.

And my 4 subs plus 3 Buttkickers will walk thru T2 with pride. Bring It!

The best place to sit in a theater
is at lease 3 rows back from the wall. Not in the center but more on far left or far right. :)

good point I will try that this weekend at the IMAX Theater.

The best place to sit in a theater
is at lease 3 rows back from the wall. Not in the center but more on far left or far right. :)

Actually you ideally want to sit symetrically between the sound point sources, at 38% from the rear of the room.

DE uses that calculation to place the seating position when he designs theaters for people.

Great movie... Needless to say, Transformers is not about elaborate storylines and deep characters. Popcorn fun to the max though!

Anyway, I went to see this at my local IMAX this morning and I was looking to be blown away by the bass(literally), well that certainly didn't happen. However, I don't fault the movie in any way at all. I think my local cinema crippled the bass channel by excessively lowering the volume.:mad: I couldn't feel any bass at all, and I know this IMAX is capable, because last summer, The Dark Night in there was the best movie sound experience I've ever encountered, can you say BASS BASS BASS.:eek: I don't know if maybe they got too many complaints about it being too loud, or maybe they thought this movie was too intense for their sound system.:confused: Now I feel the need to view this film again at my usual THX cinema and see what I missed. The IMAX filmed scene was a treat at any rate, and maybe worth the extra premium I paid.

I am REALLY looking forward to this on BR...

I will watch this movie tomorrow at my THX theater. This theater has loud bass that goes down to 20 hz so I should feel it. The night at the museum 2 trailer had my pants blowing when the t-rex was roaring.

Just saw it with the kids.

No doubt the movie will give the home system an excellent all around workout, but the movie as a whole was more tiring than entertaining for me.

just saw it today with mym lil boy... great action flix...

i will be seeing it again at the local IMAX though..

What about an epik conquest would that be enough to handle it? :)

This movie's LFE will separate the men from the boys.

If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though.

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

What about an epik conquest would that be enough to handle it? :)


That wimpy sub? :D

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

Without getting into the cost arguement, I think the SVS 13s and JL 13s fall into a category of their own.

Didn't someone say the same thing about Transformers 1? Just look how that turned out:mad:

Didn't someone say the same thing about Transformers 1? Just look how that turned out:mad:

The bluray has pretty decent LFE content. The HDDVD had issues with the .1track. I dont remember the DVD being too bad either.

Transformers on bluray rocks with bass. I use it for demos all the time.

I got the standard def Decepiticon case version. Has some pretty very good bass for me. The Skopinock attack is very good. The Iron Hide flip is great.Also when the tank gets shot is really nice and tactile.

WOW, I take back what I said:eek: I just watched a couple of the action scenes on my Blu-ray copy and it is alot better than what I remember when I watched it on HD-DVD. Maybe a 4.5 star movie for bass now:eek:

WOW, I take back what I said:eek: I just watched a couple of the action scenes on my Blu-ray copy and it is alot better than what I remember when I watched it on HD-DVD. Maybe a 4.5 star movie for bass now:eek:

If you check out the review in the media forum they go into detail on the issues with the HDDVD. It was very underwhelming. It was definately fixed on BD.

The HD DVD was fine. The bass rattles the curtain rods in my living room with my modest Velodyne CHT-12. (no longer an issue with my new Subdude :D) Either people had some setup issues, or I got the rare variant disc with a .1 track.

Despite my supreme disappointment with RotF, I'll pick it up on Blu when it goes on sale and watch the 3 or 4 cool scenes; much the same way I watch Phantom Menace.

Transformers on bluray rocks with bass. I use it for demos all the time.

i thought so too. my Epik Sentinel handled the entire movie at -8 from reference with the sub about 2 to 3db hot. it survived it and impressed me.

-8, even -10 from reference is loud enough for me.

The HD DVD was fine. The bass rattles the curtain rods in my living room with my modest Velodyne CHT-12. (no longer an issue with my new Subdude :D) Either people had some setup issues, or I got the rare variant disc with a .1 track.

It wasnt that it didnt come with a .1, the .1 wasnt at the right level. People were having to either crank their sub gain or their AVR LFE output gain to get close to appropriate levels.

I owned the HD dvd as well and the whole track was about 5 db's down and the LFE a little more. I always had to turn it up compared to other movies. Once turned up it was good. I still like the bluray better.

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

Apparently you've never heard an IB or LLT. You're faith in these less than ideal manufactured subs would certainly change.

It changed my perspective, that's for sure. I was one of the biggest JL fanbois around.

I owned the HD dvd as well and the whole track was about 5 db's down and the LFE a little more. I always had to turn it up compared to other movies. Once turned up it was good. I still like the bluray better.
The disc is definitely mixed lower than most of my other movies. But I didn't have to fiddle with LFE volume at all.

The best place to sit in a theater
is at lease 3 rows back from the wall. Not in the center but more on far left or far right.
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Will try that, cause I'm always at the center. I thought it was the best place to sit in a theater.

I did not adjust the LFE as well, but at that time I was running the LFE 3 db's hot. With the Bluray I am running the subs flat and the bass is much more intense. I hit over 122 db's all the time(uncorrected) so depending on frequency it is up there with other other movies.

I always sit in the second row of the second tier. Where the feet rails are so I can put my feet up. I feel the bass from that spot.

Sounds like a killer setup.

No doubt RotF will be demo material. I just wish it came with a good movie attached to it.

I'm guessing we will be getting this on BD around the holidays so I am pretty sure AV123 will be able to make and ship me another satin black MFW15 by then.:o

The two "ghetto" robots were totally not necessary for the movie. If you removed every scene they were in the movie would have a lot better flow. They are worse than jarjar.

I saw this movie in the local IMAX yesterday with some friends, and all of us were not impressed with the LFE content. Really, I didn't think there was anything special about the bass. I saw Watchmen in the same IMAX and it had much more LFE than Transformers 2 did, at least in that theater.

I saw this movie in the local IMAX yesterday with some friends, and all of us were not impressed with the LFE content. Really, I didn't think there was anything special about the bass. I saw Watchmen in the same IMAX and it had much more LFE than Transformers 2 did, at least in that theater.

What kind of Imax theater is it?

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lol this is great..i love feeling the bass/beat of a movie, just like sitting in the theatre all over again

The bluray has pretty decent LFE content. The HDDVD had issues with the .1track. I dont remember the DVD being too bad either.

There was nothing wrong w/ the .1 track of the HD DVD. There were just people who didn't know how to properly setup their systems that got schooled.

The sequel had more subdued bass and lens flare. (I think Star Trek took most of the lens flare quota for the year, so Transformers 2 didn't have as much available this year! :p ) The track was still excellent with its use of surrounds, but the LFE wasn't beat you over the head as much in RotF as it was in the original Transformers movie, IMHO.

I always sit 3rd or 4th row in the second tier. Puts me within 1 screen width, gives me great spatial surround effects and the best bass response for the total package.

I liked RotF. It was a fun summer blockbuster and will make great demo material on blu ray. I don't think the twins were bad in the film at all. I also find it strange that people called their characters racist. I grew up in the ghetto(Jane and Finch in Toronto) and everyone I grew up with(of all races) found them funny including me. They kept the movie light and when they needed to be in the action, they didn't do to badly. Anyways, I don't take these kind of movies too seriously as it allows me to enjoy them for what they are.

Also, for those who find movies to sound different in the same cinema compared to other films, the projectionist usually adjust sound levels when they screen them, but don't use any measuring equipment. Not even a RS SPL meter, so you tend to get different audio impact from movie to movie in the same cinema.

This makes me feel sorry for my "old" subwoofers.

A poor old PB-12/Ultra2 and a PB-12+2.

2,000 watts of power, 4-12" woofers, in a treated 18x18 room...

It's gonna be FUN!!

There was nothing wrong w/ the .1 track of the HD DVD. There were just people who didn't know how to properly setup their systems that got schooled.


I wasn't particularly happy with ralph potts' review considering he made little mention of the horrible grain in the middle sections of the movie, which were not shot with IMAX cameras. This is what he said about the audio after doing a head to head between the hddvd and br.

It seems as though the minor attenuation (for lack of a better word) of the bass present on the HD DVD is no longer present. The bass has better tactility and improved depth which can be felt not just in the room but within the body as well. The improvement here seems to be related to the deeper bass frequencies and is most appreciable in the scenes in the film that contain lower bass content. That is not strictly the case though. An example would be in chapter 18 where the cryogenic freezing apparatus where Megatron is being held has begun to fail. There is an alarm that begins to sound and the scene switches the control room. There is a low bass tone that accompanies that transition before the scene switches again. It was detectable on the HD DVD but on the Blu-ray Disc it could be felt as wave of punchy low bass energy. The beginning of chapter 2 (mentioned earlier) definitely had a more distinct and powerful low bass presence than on the HD DVD. I ran these scenes along with the others mentioned earlier in this review 3 times each and double checked to ensure that output levels were the same. I also ran these same scenes using the PS3 rather than bit streaming the audio from my Panasonic and Samsung players and the results were the same. I am satisfied that the Blu-ray version of Transformers does in fact offer an improvement in this area over the HD DVD. I want to be clear that the low frequency effects on the HD DVD are quite good and the difference here is not night and day but is certainly noticeable. As far as any appreciable differences in the overall sound quality I would say that if present they are minimal.


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My point exactly. There's nothing wrong with it. The Blu-Ray audio is slightly more detailed which kind of makes sense as the difference w/ DD+ and TrueHD is that TrueHD contains the information that DD+ (and DD) removed.

You posted that the track had issues. There's a difference between a lossy track having less information than saying that's it's broken.

My point exactly. There's nothing wrong with it. The Blu-Ray audio is slightly more detailed which kind of makes sense as the difference w/ DD+ and TrueHD is that TrueHD contains the information that DD+ (and DD) removed.

You posted that the track had issues. There's a difference between a lossy track having less information than saying that's it's broken.

I have to agree. FilmMixer has gone on record saying that there is NO difference. Differences noticed are due to different players, etc.

My point exactly. There's nothing wrong with it. The Blu-Ray audio is slightly more detailed which kind of makes sense as the difference w/ DD+ and TrueHD is that TrueHD contains the information that DD+ (and DD) removed.

You posted that the track had issues. There's a difference between a lossy track having less information than saying that's it's broken.

Sounds broken to me. :D

You're right about it not being broken but I'd have been pissed if I bought it and it wasnt as grand as it is on BR.

I've never seen it on HDDVD but I've definately heard a lot of bitching about the sound on it.

I compared the dts 1.5 on hd dvd to the 640 DD on bluray(optical) and the bluray was better.

I just saw Trans 2 and it only had a couple scenes with loud 40-60 hz bass(just a guess). On tuesday I will see it on the THX screen for any differences. It does have potential though.

Apparently you've never heard an IB or LLT. You're faith in these less than ideal manufactured subs would certainly change.

It changed my perspective, that's for sure. I was one of the biggest JL fanbois around.

No I have not heard either an IB or a LLT....but I'm not disputing the fact that those would/could surpass the Ultra at reproducing a LFE track. I guess if an IB or LLT sub can pass the WAF and look as good as the SVS and be built for under $2K Canadian, then yes, maybe I should've looked at that. Unfortunately I'm lazy and not really the "builder" type.

But you stated that anything less than a 15" driver would be be inefficient....that's the part I'm actually referring to.

IMO, JL is over priced as are most B+M store subs but for under $2000 Canadian, the Ultra with all its features, a 13.5" driver with over 3" of excursion and mirror black finish, it's one helluva bang for the buck.

LFDH, Mr.and Mrs.Smith and BHD sounds like it may have some company with this new T2 film tho...cant wait.

I dont see any movie having a more bass test then U571

I dont see any movie having a more bass test then U571

Then you obviously have not seen; WOTW, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Haunting, Cloverfield, Hot Fuzz, The Incredible Hulk etc. :D

Then you obviously have not seen; WOTW, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Haunting, Cloverfield, Hot Fuzz, The Incredible Hulk etc. :D

Second that lol. U571 is good, but these films are in a league by themselves...

I love the kind of bass you get from U-571. That intensly powerful slams of bass. I wish more movies used that. Not saying I don't like other kinds of bass though, because I definitely do. RotF seems to have a good mix of bass material throughout. There is atleast one moment that seemed to want to go very deep, but the theater sub seemed to rolloff early. Can't wait for this on blu ray and get some graphs/waterfalls on this movies' bass.

Then you obviously have not seen; WOTW, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Haunting, Cloverfield, Hot Fuzz, The Incredible Hulk etc. :D

+1. I thought that Iron Man and Transformers were filled with bass. After watching The FOTF and The Haunting, I was actually scared that I was going to blow my ear drums out. The overall pressure that the bass scenes deliver is second to none. After watching FOTF when they are in the sand storm and the plane starts to spin and go upside down, it literally feels like buttshakers are strapped to every seat of the listening area. Fantastic scene.

But I just came from my local IMAX watching Transformers 2 and I have to say, that movie (if done right) will probably be some of the best demo material that I have ever witnessed or heard. From the visual to the audio side, I stand and applaud Michael Bay. Well done.:D

Well, I am just now getting back from seeing T2 at my local IMAX. The picture was phenominal. It was very crisp and clear. I must say that the video was very well calibrated. The colors were stunning. The sound was very good. The bass was not over whelming. It was just right for me. It definitely filled where it was needed. I was very impressed. I give two thumbs up.:D

this morning i watched Master and Commander here at home, then this afternoon i went to see Transformers 2. this may sound odd but i liked the bass in Master and Commander much better. yes, there was a shitload of bass in T2, but how much of it was really necessary? how much of it was added just for the hell of it and how much should have actually been there to go along with the action on screen?

the movie itself was decent, but i felt it got a bit out of hand. it got a bit out there and it seemed like they were just trying to hard. i'll definitely give it a rent on Blu-ray when it comes out though.

my IMAX theater crippled the bass. i heard what it should sound like in an imax trailer at the same theater before star trek and the movie was crippled. im kind of ready to cry guys. i would have walked out but was with others who didnt mind or know better.

Ceiph,
My theater would have given me a free pass if I complained about something like that, which I've done before. Now they pretty much expect me to tell them there's something wrong, but I don't abuse it. I only complain when there is something wrong, so they trust me, since I've proved my arguments right.

I just watched The Incredible Hulk again and it will be hard to beat as bass is concerned. Then again, I have more subs than many commercial theaters.

Saw Transformers 2 yesterday on Imax.


OMG

Besides the amazing picture... the bass was so loud and hard my chest literally hurt. Let me just say that the day prior I saw it in a normal theater an I actually heard the sub (or subs?) bottom out multiple times because they couldn't handle it.

Now Imax actually hurt my chest, Never once did the subs bottom out. After 2 hours my ears felt like there were bleeding and my chest exploded but it was ONE HELL of a time!!!!

Saw Transformers 2 yesterday on Imax.


OMG

Besides the amazing picture... the bass was so loud and hard my chest literally hurt. Let me just say that the day prior I saw it in a normal theater an I actually heard the sub (or subs?) bottom out multiple times because they couldn't handle it.

Now Imax actually hurt my chest, Never once did the subs bottom out. After 2 hours my ears felt like there were bleeding and my chest exploded but it was ONE HELL of a time!!!!

i heard what sounded like port noise at my local theater but no bottoming out. no nasty noises, just some port chuffing sounds. my local theater is a brand new Regal Cinema, not an imax but i couldn't imagine it sounding much better or much louder.

i thought the new Terminator movie sounded cooler though. maybe not as much bass, just more dynamics.

Mcjasonb,
To me, Terminator was mastered hotter than RotF. I don't think it was more dynamic, just louder considering the dialog in Terminator was louder than normal.

Mcjasonb,
To me, Terminator was mastered hotter than RotF. I don't think it was more dynamic, just louder considering the dialog in Terminator was louder than normal.

that could be.

Then you obviously have not seen; WOTW, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Haunting, Cloverfield, Hot Fuzz, The Incredible Hulk etc. :D

I dont really care much for low end, I want you head to snap from impact of pressure change, also Desperado and Kill Bill are some of my Favs.

I love the kind of bass you get from U-571. That intensly powerful slams of bass. I wish more movies used that. Not saying I don't like other kinds of bass though, because I definitely do. RotF seems to have a good mix of bass material throughout. There is atleast one moment that seemed to want to go very deep, but the theater sub seemed to rolloff early. Can't wait for this on blu ray and get some graphs/waterfalls on this movies' bass.

The helicopter? Like the scene in the Matrix?

I saw it last night and there was no bass. At all. Completely rubbish. Even the volume was very low. I didnt leave though because I was with a large group, helped make the movie still enjoyable.

But I do feel jipped after reading this thread.

I saw it last night and there was no bass. At all. Completely rubbish. Even the volume was very low. I didnt leave though because I was with a large group, helped make the movie still enjoyable.

But I do feel jipped after reading this thread.

It's funny how two different people can't have such different experiences....:p

Why don't you guys tell the theater managers that something seems to be wrong with the audio levels? Movies aren't cheap, so if they aren't going to deliver the goods, we should be compensated. That's how I feel anyway. There is plenty of bass in this movie and it's just sad that everyone isn't experiencing the same thing. As AV enthusiasts, we should be the first to let the theaters know something is wrong. Let's start a revolution!

Nice to see it has bass...too bad I'm boycotting this pile of poo! Warren or no Warren Bay crossed the line on this one! A toy movie??!?

dunno what everyone is bichin' about as far as the movie goes. i thought it was pretty good

dunno what everyone is bichin' about as far as the movie goes. i thought it was pretty good

+1

just left the IMAX theater,,,, watched the entire movie on IMAX and then went into a different theater just to see the beginning.... but I had already seen it last week at a totally different theater

the first time sen I thought it was full of bass but maybe not the best subs used

IMAX,,, holy crapola..... what a huge difference,,, all I could think was "my poor lil subs r gonna hate me including the neighbors"

no better way to experience the movie,,except on IMAX

Nice to see it has bass...too bad I'm boycotting this pile of poo! Warren or no Warren Bay crossed the line on this one! A toy movie??!?


Just so I'm clear, what line are you talking about?


Brian

Will i saw transformers 2 this weekend,
my friend talk me to wasting 20 bucks. I have to say that the movie was terrible. i keep telling my self walk out of the theater but for some reason i stay through out the movie.
The bass was outstanding in our local amc theater and had very cool surround effects.:D this movie deserve a 2 out 5

Apparently you've never heard an IB or LLT. You're faith in these less than ideal manufactured subs would certainly change.

It changed my perspective, that's for sure. I was one of the biggest JL fanbois around.

what's an LLT ?

what's an LLT ?

Large, Low-tuned Ported. Think of those massive 500L behemoths tuned at 12hz. Or Missile Silos ;)

Yeah...LLT's are a bit extreme for most people. Good thing I went with two. :D

I think I will take that advisement with a grain of salt.

If you ever demo a SVS PB13Ultra and hear what a properly built 150 lb box with "only" a 13.5 driver will do, it may bring back your faith in manufactured subs.

My thoughts exactly........people making blanket statements :rolleyes:

Mcjasonb,
To me, Terminator was mastered hotter than RotF. I don't think it was more dynamic, just louder considering the dialog in Terminator was louder than normal.

How can anyone tell how hot a master is, from a cinema showing?

You have no idea if the system is set up correctly.....and I would think even close to being correct is a longshot.

It's funny how two different people can't have such different experiences....:p

My theater couldn't even show the entire movie before their projector bit the dust, so I've seen about the first 20 minutes of the moive.:rolleyes:

Another reason I never go to the theater here, besides the fact they don't even have subs.:mad:

Ok, I agree with most who say why not to go. I have always argued with people when the threads start that ask how your HT compares to the theater. People will say how their setup will blow away the theater. I say for a true test put some theater speakers and subs in your room and now see how that sounds, it will blow you away. I know this because I have done it. A properly calibrated and working theater should rock your world(20 Hz and up). I just watched this again in the THX theater and they played under reference levels so I was not happy. Next time I go I will tell them to turn it up. The speakers used in my local theater are the JBL pro 4732's and no home speaker could match it in dynamics and impact, but they have to be working and calibrated properly.

I say for a true test put some theater speakers and subs in your room and now see how that sounds, it will blow you away.

i think the point is that theater speakers don't blow me away "at the theater" where they should blow me away

i'm sure they sound great at home, just not in a giant auditorium

i never go to the theater anymore. i used to go just to see star trek on the big screen but after seeing what they've done to the franchise with this latest movie, looks like i have no reason to ever buy another over-priced diet coke :)

They could blow you away at the theater if done right, but not sub 20 Hz performance.

They could blow you away at the theater if done right, but not sub 20 Hz performance.

i guess i haven't been in the right theater yet

they don't impress me at any frequency

sometimes the surround speakers aren't even working

if you complain to the manager, they give you a ticket for a free movie but what good is it

How can anyone tell how hot a master is, from a cinema showing?

You have no idea if the system is set up correctly.....and I would think even close to being correct is a longshot.

Well, I'm actually friendly with the projection manager at my local Cineplex. He told me Star Trek was mastered about 3-4db hot before we screened it with the other projectionists. After watching it, we both agreed that the speakers needed to be reduced by a couple of db due to them sounding strained. After screening Terminator, we had the same problem, but not during Transformers 2. These are my experiences, but yours may differ.

I made sure my system can handle any movie, bring it on.

yeah i think our 19ov.2s will get a nice workout with this movie :)

i guess i haven't been in the right theater yet

they don't impress me at any frequency

sometimes the surround speakers aren't even working

if you complain to the manager, they give you a ticket for a free movie but what good is it

I consider a good theater that puts equipment in a room with overkill in mind so nothing strains at reference levels, especially if it is a THX theater. Of course that does not always happen. My local theater uses speakers that are meant for theaters twice the size they are in so they don't strain, they need to be reminded to turn it up at times though. I agree with you and free movie tickets won't change the experience. I have a friend who has a friend you works at my local cineplex and we are working on him for a behind the screen look and a true at reference showing of Transformers 2. The JBL screen arrays are very capable speakers, my 8 subs will fail before my entry level screen arrays will. My room is a joke for them and that is why they sound good.

yeah i think our 19ov.2s will get a nice workout with this movie :)

I just watched The Incredible Hulk and WOTW at reference and it was great. The IH had much more dynamics but WOTW bass is great(spl). Bluray vs DVD. WOTW on bluray should kill some subs. The articulation of bass on bluray and dynamics is just much better. I used to think WOTW was recorded hot but after watching TIH on bluray I had to turn it up. Transformers 2 has potential and hopefully comes thru.

Some bass moments to watch for on blu ray:

The fight in China has a few good moments.

When Optimus rescues Sam from Megatron in the warehouse. The IMAX subwoofer rolled off really early and I'm pretty sure it's goes really deep.

When Megatron kills Optimus in the forest, there is some bass that seems to go pretty low.

When all the Decepticons land from space in the desert and the aircraft carrier has some punchy bass that I like. Very similar to the autobots landing in the first movie.

The big explosion in the desert when the fighter jet drops about 10+ bombs on everyone.

When The Fallen is on top of the pyramid and telekenitcally/magnetically raises all the army vehicles and then drops them.

I'm sure there are others, but those ones definitely stand out.

Well, I'm actually friendly with the projection manager at my local Cineplex. He told me Star Trek was mastered about 3-4db hot before we screened it with the other projectionists. After watching it, we both agreed that the speakers needed to be reduced by a couple of db due to them sounding strained. After screening Terminator, we had the same problem, but not during Transformers 2. These are my experiences, but yours may differ.

Cool.

I myself do not hang with projectionists....rofl.......glad to hear they take it serious at your local flicker show....

I just saw the movie with my son and the bass kinda sucked :eek: I can't wait for this to come out on Blu-ray. I am sure it will be demo material on my Epik Phoenix!! :D
BTW, Megan Fox is SMOKIN in this one!

I just saw the movie with my son and the bass kinda sucked :eek: I can't wait for this to come out on Blu-ray. I am sure it will be demo material on my Epik Phoenix!! :D
BTW, Megan Fox is SMOKIN in this one!

yea she is! i'd do her. :cool:

+++1. Super hot!!

Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.

Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.

awesome :cool:

since you went sealed a while back, how low is your system EQ'd to ?

Good news. Wednesday night my friend and I get to have a private screening of Transformers 2. After the last showing of the night. We get to look behind the screen, projector room, and hopefully make sure it is calibrated. We also get to crank it up to reference levels or higher. Now we will see how this movie sounds.
:eek: WOW... That is awesome. I'm so jealous. I've always wanted to get behind the scenes access to experience what these state of the art cinemas are REALLY capable of. Have fun...

It will be fun.

Otk, I am not using any EQ and thanks to room gain REW shows me I am flat to 5 Hz. The main differences between the sealed and ported in my room are dynamics(twice the drivers and power) and pressurization. They go together for me. My room can become instantly pressurized from low frequencies. The hair on your head, arms, and legs get tingly and everything starts to shake. It can disappear in seconds. Very quick reacting. It does this much better than the ported subs did.

Great movie... Needless to say, Transformers is not about elaborate storylines and deep characters. Popcorn fun to the max though!

Anyway, I went to see this at my local IMAX this morning and I was looking to be blown away by the bass(literally), well that certainly didn't happen. However, I don't fault the movie in any way at all. I think my local cinema crippled the bass channel by excessively lowering the volume.:mad: I couldn't feel any bass at all, and I know this IMAX is capable, because last summer, The Dark Night in there was the best movie sound experience I've ever encountered, can you say BASS BASS BASS.:eek: I don't know if maybe they got too many complaints about it being too loud, or maybe they thought this movie was too intense for their sound system.:confused: Now I feel the need to view this film again at my usual THX cinema and see what I missed. The IMAX filmed scene was a treat at any rate, and maybe worth the extra premium I paid.

I am REALLY looking forward to this on BR...

Thats too bad! I saw this at my local IMAX and thought the sound was excellent, right up there with the Dark Knight.

But like so many others I can't wait to get this movie home.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen sound designed on Meyer Sound HD-1s.
www.meyersound.com

I consider a good theater that puts equipment in a room with overkill in mind so nothing strains at reference levels, especially if it is a THX theater. Of course that does not always happen. My local theater uses speakers that are meant for theaters twice the size they are in so they don't strain, they need to be reminded to turn it up at times though. I agree with you and free movie tickets won't change the experience. I have a friend who has a friend you works at my local cineplex and we are working on him for a behind the screen look and a true at reference showing of Transformers 2. The JBL screen arrays are very capable speakers, my 8 subs will fail before my entry level screen arrays will. My room is a joke for them and that is why they sound good.

Overkill FTW!

Are you switching over to the TH-221 anytime soon? ;)

I'm ready! ;)

MKtheater, don't forget to take your spl meter in there and maybe some speaker pictures would be nice too, if this is not too much to ask.:)

I will do what I can. Getting ready for tomorrow.

I will do what I can. Getting ready for tomorrow.

Of course, but hey here is frequency chart for that forest fight, taken from awesome youtube clip(not mine).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxQqe_A8cU0&feature=related

I hope it's just that theatre sound system(or cam mic) and not final, what we get later this year. Good midbass in there though.

147324

:)

Looks like spielberg edited my post, wow that was fast. Lol:D

Saw RotF this weekend. Great action but a bit too fast to tell the good guys from the bad. I could tell there was a lot of good LFE, but not in this theater. Hoping for a quick release for home viewing.

Saw RotF this weekend. Great action but a bit too fast to tell the good guys from the bad. I could tell there was a lot of good LFE, but not in this theater. Hoping for a quick release for home viewing.

Should be out around Christmas no?

Should be out around Christmas no?

Actually, the Transformers HD-DVD was released mid-October 07, and relatively ROTF was released to theaters about a week earlier in the year than the first one.

So early-mid October should be a possibility, no?

EDIT: This seems a bit early, but same ballpark: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=6171

Its generally 6 months after release!

I CAN'T WAIT!

I expect to have my second Fathom by then, so it should be fun in a 1700 cu.' room. ;)

My demonstration was postponed for next Wednesday, bummer. I will bring the SPL meter when this happens.

I'm going with my SPL meter on Tuesday for a special IMAX presentation where all the audio levels are set to 0(rather than -2 like they have it now) and with a new bulb in the projector. It will be amazing! Will post my findings.

We watched it in IMAX in Hampton, VA and it didn't have any problem with the sound and it was amazing!

We watched it in IMAX in Hampton, VA and it didn't have any problem with the sound and it was amazing!

Not saying there was a problem, just want to know what it is delivering in the IMAX cinema. I also want to get an idea of what this movie may deliver later on blu ray and have some numbers to compare it with once it's released.

I'm going with my SPL meter on Tuesday for a special IMAX presentation where all the audio levels are set to 0(rather than -2 like they have it now) and with a new bulb in the projector. It will be amazing! Will post my findings.

you know the manager there?

you know the manager there?

Yeah. The projection manager and one of the operations managers. Do you live in Toronto?

Yeah. The projection manager and one of the operations managers. Do you live in Toronto?

unfortunately no :( i would love to hear it louder than normal. I went to the local imax to watch it and wished they cranked up the volume more :D cant wait to get my hands on the bd

My demonstration was postponed for next Wednesday, bummer. I will bring the SPL meter when this happens.

I'm going with my SPL meter on Tuesday for a special IMAX presentation where all the audio levels are set to 0(rather than -2 like they have it now) and with a new bulb in the projector. It will be amazing! Will post my findings.

That is nice. Looking forward your findings.:)

unfortunately no :( i would love to hear it louder than normal. I went to the local imax to watch it and wished they cranked up the volume more :D cant wait to get my hands on the bd

Too bad. I almost always feel the same way. I told him to leave the surrounds alone since they were actually louder than the mains during my first viewing. So he's gonna raise the mains and sub to reference and I'm probably going to have a big smile on my face:D

Yeah. The projection manager and one of the operations managers. Do you live in Toronto?


Can other people attend this showing?

Anyone wishing to see this movie in the Manhattan area avoid the AMC theater on 42nd street.

I saw it in IMAX there last weekend and I quickly noticed they reduced the volume level - (I guess they were protecting their investment... lol).

As far as the movie goes:
Visually stunning - story underwhelming - sound can't comment because of reduced volume.

EricE,
I sent you a PM.

For anyone else in the GTA, you are welcome to come to this show. For now, the show is on Tuesday at the Colossus in Woodbridge at 12pm. This isn't free, so you have to buy a ticket, but it should be worth it;) please call, text or email me so I have a way to reach you if anything changes. PM me for that info. It will be cool to meet some of you AV nuts;)

You know, I love great sound and also appreciate an impactfull LFE experience like anyone else, but for a movie like this the only relavant question is -- how hot is Megan Fox! :eek::D


Brian

You know, I love great sound and also appreciate an impactfull LFE experience like anyone else, but for a movie like this the only relavant question is -- how hot is Megan Fox! :eek::D


Brian

If you look up "hot" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Megan.

You know, I love great sound and also appreciate an impactfull LFE experience like anyone else, but for a movie like this the only relavant question is -- how hot is Megan Fox! :eek::D


Brian

I know most guys think she's hot, but I don't. She looks over-done in this movie. To me she looked better in the last one, but even then, she was too skinny. Michael Bay actually put her on a cake diet a month before they started shooting. She gained 10 lbs, and I think if she gained another 10lbs(preferably in her bum) she'd look a little better. That's me though. I like big butts and I cannot lie;)

I know most guys think she's hot, but I don't. She looks over-done in this movie. To me she looked better in the last one, but even then, she was too skinny. Michael Bay actually put her on a cake diet a month before they started shooting. She gained 10 lbs, and I think if she gained another 10lbs(preferably in her bum) she'd look a little better. That's me though. I like big butts and I cannot lie;)

For you there's always Beyonce. She's got a big butt and yet is still hot.

Megan Fox is a superstar!!

For you there's always Beyonce. She's got a big butt and yet is still hot.

I like Beyonce, but there are many others. I like women, not young girls. Kate Winslet is one of my favourites as is Sofia Vregara and Monica Bellucci. In terms of skinny girls, I'd have Natalie Portman over Megan Fox any day!

Not saying there was a problem, just want to know what it is delivering in the IMAX cinema. I also want to get an idea of what this movie may deliver later on blu ray and have some numbers to compare it with once it's released.

oh no, haha! I was replying to the op. since you mentioned it already, what's this audio level 0 and -2 deal?

oh no, haha! I was replying to the op. since you mentioned it already, what's this audio level 0 and -2 deal?

Oh, sorry. I didn't know.

The projectionists will adjust the audio levels depending on how hot the track is mastered at. Star Trek was about +4db over reference, so we tried it at 0 and the front speakers were slightly strained. Well we could hear it sounding strained, so he reduced it by -2 and it sounded a lot better. He actually told me that most IMAX theaters use crappy drivers in terms of handling soundtracks mastered hot, and he has had to change them many times. They could use some of Tom Danley's synergy and tapped horns in there, that's for sure.

He told me that the senior IMAX manager told him to run the mains at -2 for Transformers 2, but when I listened to it, there seemed to be much more available from them. Well, I'm going to find out. I'm not sure if their system actually means -1db, or if it's more like some kind of volume control that doesn't relate to the actual db reading. I'm inclined to believe the former, but I'm not 100%. Either way, I'm excited.

Anyone wishing to see this movie in the Manhattan area avoid the AMC theater on 42nd street.

I saw it in IMAX there last weekend and I quickly noticed they reduced the volume level - (I guess they were protecting their investment... lol).

As far as the movie goes:
Visually stunning - story underwhelming - sound can't comment because of reduced volume.

I don't even think that is a "real" IMAX.

The only one I know that is legit is the one on Lincoln square.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz1bcb112e.jpg

Went tonight and I have to say the LFE is going to be awesome on blu-ray. It's like Transformers 1 times 10. Example: the 100m round shells in part one, times 10 in part two. I wanted to see it in IMAX in Lincoln square NYC, but decided to save alittle $$.

I know most guys think she's hot, but I don't. She looks over-done in this movie. To me she looked better in the last one, but even then, she was too skinny. Michael Bay actually put her on a cake diet a month before they started shooting. She gained 10 lbs, and I think if she gained another 10lbs(preferably in her bum) she'd look a little better. That's me though. I like big butts and I cannot lie;)


I have not seen the new movie and never saw the first one in the theator. I had never seen anything Miss Fox was in and had a somewhat negative opinion of her due to the tatoo thing -- I hate tramp stamps! However, I picked up the BR of the first movie expecting an intersting action movie with good sound/LFE, but I was very impressed with how hot Megan Fox looked. I'm not talking about acting here as action movies are not usually a fair test of an actor.

I also appreciate that mens taste in women is not the same and that for some guys the slim/fit look just doesn't work for them and that a women with junk in the trunk is way more appealing. I would suggest, however, that the majority of men prefer the slim/fit look.

OK, I guess I'll wait for the BR of the second movie to come out but I will almost certainly pick it up when it come out, probably in late October or early November to capitalize on the Christmas season.

But, back to Megan for a second ... if it were not for the tramp stamps I think she'd be just about perfect!


Brian

I also appreciate that mens taste in women is not the same and that for some guys the slim/fit look just doesn't work for them and that a women with junk in the trunk is way more appealing. I would suggest, however, that the majority of men prefer the slim/fit look.

Brian

That is a very honorable statement, but I would highly disagree with your comment on the majority of men preferring slim/fit female bodies. Surveys have shown that men prefer women with more curvy/hourglass bodies(not fat, but 10-15lbs over the considered fit weight). I know Hollywood has this fixation on being superfit and all, but around the world, normal curvy women are considered the sexiest of them all. Eva Mendes is an example of curvy. I will say that Megan Fox has a very photogenic face. I personally like to hug someone soft and not a bone/muscle rack. Sorry for the OT discussion.

That is a very honorable statement, but I would highly disagree with your comment on the majority of men preferring slim/fit female bodies. Surveys have shown that men prefer women with more curvy/hourglass bodies(not fat, but 10-15lbs over the considered fit weight). I know Hollywood has this fixation on being superfit and all, but around the world, normal curvy women are considered the sexiest of them all. Eva Mendes is an example of curvy. I will say that Megan Fox has a very photogenic face. I personally like to hug someone soft and not a bone/muscle rack. Sorry for the OT discussion.


Not only do mens taste vary from one to another and from one country to another they have varied over time as well. It may be the case that men generally preferred the more rounded look as an indication of social status but times are different now. And, to argue that Hollywood prefers the superfit ignores the huge preference that town has placed on Silicon and Saline.

I dare say that when 'surveys' are conducted on this topic they are almost always done with a desired outcome in mind and they get what they are looking for. I frankly place little faith in ANY of the 'surveys' and polls. What I do find interesting is the type of woman that is preferred by those that download images of women. The folks in the business of selling images of hot women have long known that men tended to prefer the young fit types but when the internet came along they discovered just how prevalent this preference was. Post a large array of images covering every 'type' you can then sit back and watch which ones get downloaded most. It should be no surprise that almost all the mens magazines created since the internet hit big have all focussed on more-or-less the same theme -- fit young women.


Brian

What I do find interesting is the type of woman that is preferred by those that download images of women. The folks in the business of selling images of hot women have long known that men tended to prefer the young fit types but when the internet came along they discovered just how prevalent this preference was. Post a large array of images covering every 'type' you can then sit back and watch which ones get downloaded most. It should be no surprise that almost all the mens magazines created since the internet hit big have all focussed on more-or-less the same theme -- fit young women.I agree with you. It only makes sense that the web sites offering pictures of women would cater to what men want to see. Aside from men with a particular preference (EVERY look has its admirers, even grossly obese), you simply don't see the zaftig look.

I find it hard to believe that the average male would choose a female with measurements of 30-23-30 over one with measurements of 33-25-34. Again, I think that Americans and Canadians have a slightly different preference than the rest of the world. Orientals sure do. They prefer slender women, while South American, Latin and Mediterranean men definitely prefer more curvy bodies. One day I'll do a simple international survey to finally settle this question;)

Just for informational purposes, Megan Fox measures 34c-26-34.

Just for informational purposes, Megan Fox measures 34c-26-34.


;)

Just for informational purposes, Megan Fox measures 34c-26-34.

Yeah, after Michael Bay's cake diet;) I have a hard time believing her bottom was 34" around. It looked more like 30-31" max in the first film. Well, most of the girls I date are in the 36" area, so I might be a little spoiled.

Anyways, at noon today, I'll be in an IMAX theater watching this movie for the third time, but this time with the audio levels set right, and my SPL meter ready to measure:D I will post my findings as soon as I can.

I went to see TF2 at the Imax here in Pretoria (South Africa) just because I couldn't bare to watch the best bass movie ever at one of the other cinemas here. What a disaster! Blurry unfocused image, some rattly speakers and NO BASS WHATSOEVER!

I guess not all Imaxes are created equal :(

New Transformers movie---Might destroy all out subs!

Bring it on!

I find it hard to believe that the average male would choose a female with measurements of 30-23-30 over one with measurements of 33-25-34. Again, I think that Americans and Canadians have a slightly different preference than the rest of the world. Orientals sure do. They prefer slender women, while South American, Latin and Mediterranean men definitely prefer more curvy bodies. One day I'll do a simple international survey to finally settle this question;)


Well this statement pretty much explains your position. I doubt that the average anorexic has a body image as distorted as yours. I doubt Karen Carpenter had a body that skinny when she died!

Interestingly, the dimensions you mentioned as preferred, 33-25-34, are SMALLER than Miss Fox's!

Hey, I like em slim and I like not quite so slim. I'd have a hard time passing up Kathern Heigl, or Scarlotte Johanson, or any of an number of the more rounded actresses. But, yeah, Megan Fox at 34C-26-34 is, save for the tramp stamps, pretty darn near perfect!


Brian

Ok, so I went into the theater and met with the projection manager. He told me some interesting things about the bulbs used in the projectors, but this story is about the audio. At the end of the movie, he took me behind the screen and we climbed the scaffolding about 15ft up to the plattform where the sub resides. The box is C shaped with six 18" drivers total, 3 on each side with the drivers facing each other and has a 2kw external amp. All speaker levels were set to 0 including the sub. For reference, -1 on their processor level control, equals -3db.

The highest bass peak measured was 114db, with plenty of bass between 104db to 110db throughout the film.

I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone, so all the details of where I got each reading are in the spoiler box. I measured almost every bass moment in the film. Hope they give you an idea of what to expect when we get this bad boy on blu ray;)


IMAX opening sequence that let's you know you're in an IMAX theater;)
108db

Opening sequence up to the title transformation.
110db peak

First fight China
Big Decepticon with giant wheel transforms and punches the ground. Highest peak of the movie.
114db
Optimus parachutes down from the plane.
106db
Fights with the monster Decepticon.
109db

Sam and Megan on phone. I took this as a reference to what normal speaking levels were at.
70db-75db

Bumblebee fighting the household appliances and destroying half the house.
104db

Optimus voice during military talk.
80db-96db

All spark retrieval. Some of the shots from the jaguarbot(don't know what it's called) on the government building holding a piece of the allspark.
104db

Megatron rescue
Diving
105db
Spark in chest
109db
Surfacing destroying the aircraft carrier
107db
Landing on the moon of Saturn the Fallen is on
107db

Fembot blows up door in the bedroom and when she enters the library.
106db

Starscream's and Megatron's footsteps in warehouse when they captured Sam and his friends.
105db

Battle to save Sam in warehouse where Optimus jumps over everyone while shooting. It felt like there will be some very deep bass.
105db-111db

Forest
First part of fight 103db-109db
Second part or fight 107db
Optimus gets killed and as he's falling there is some really deep bass.
106db-113db

Decepticons crash landing from space onto the aircraft carrier.
104db-107db

Ancient Blackbird thransformer
Transformation.
104db-106db
Falls down
104db-108db

Blackbird warp travel
Taking off from the field with the planes.
108db
Crash landing in Egypt or Jordan(can't remember which one).
108db-110db

Starcream
Shoots at bumblebee while they're driving to Optimus.
104db
EMP burst to knock out communication links.
105db

Devastator
Transformation
103db-110db
Sucktion and battle battle with twins.
103db-106db

Sam and Mikaela in the Arabic house. The footstep of the Decepticons and the house being blown up.
109db

Bumblebee fights red Decepticon usind the wheel belt as a whip.
103db-105db

The Jordan army helicopter crash.
105db-107db

Sam running from the blasts. Sounds like a heart beating.
104db

Scorpion blasts out of ground to attack Blackbird Autobot.
104db-106

Devastator killed by the secret super gun on battleship.
102db-104db

Fighter jet drops around 10 bombs on the Decepticons as the Autobots run for it. Huge explosion!
104db-110db

Fallen teleports in and takes matrix from Optimus's chest.
106db-107db

Fallen on the pyramid using his anti-gravity power to raise all the army vehicles into the air, then drops them. Sounds like a really good mix of bass frequencies!
105db-110db

Optimus vs Fallen
106db peaks

Every time I "say" the title of this thread in my head, I flat out don't understand it. I get the meaning, but I don't understand what is missing grammatically. Maybe it's just me....I don't know...... but it's bothered me enough times that I felt compelled to say something about it.

I feel much better now. Back to the Megan Fox show. :D

Back to the Megan Fox show. :D

Hopefully Megan will show us a little more in Jennifer's Body :D

Thanks Dbuudo07.

Thanks Dbuudo07.

Anytime;) I might start my own thread forum where I do this for as many movies as I can. What do you think?

Anytime;) I might start my own thread forum where I do this for as many movies as I can. What do you think?

It's fine to me. I need to do more frequency charts myself. Next one's will be push or watchmen.:)

It's fine to me. I need to do more frequency charts myself. Next one's will be push or watchmen.:)

Both have good bass, especially Watchen.

We could start a thread dedicated to comparing the results of a good quality theater and a good quality home theater.

We could start a thread dedicated to comparing the results of a good quality theater and a good quality home theater.

Yes, but before that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckY9_ZBVg-I

:eek::p

Yes, but before that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckY9_ZBVg-I

:eek::p

No guys, this!

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/142/14213059/vids_1.html

Vampire movie :)

Correction: I don't think she's a vampire, just evil. Not that it matters :D

We could start a thread dedicated to comparing the results of a good quality theater and a good quality home theater.

I did this over in the diy section after I went to the cinema for the first time in 7 years. Wasn't impressed at all. Will try to find it and post a link tomorrow.

Ok, so I went into the theater and met with the projection manager. He told me some interesting things about the bulbs used in the projectors, but this story is about the audio. At the end of the movie, he took me behind the screen and we climbed the scaffolding about 15ft up to the plattform where the sub resides. The box is C shaped with six 18" drivers total, 3 on each side with the drivers facing each other and has a 2kw external amp. All speaker levels were set to 0 including the sub. For reference, -1 on their processor level control, equals -3db.

The highest bass peak measured was 114db, with plenty of bass between 104db to 110db throughout the film.

I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone, so all the details of where I got each reading are in the spoiler box. I measured almost every bass moment in the film. Hope they give you an idea of what to expect when we get this bad boy on blu ray;)


IMAX opening sequence that let's you know you're in an IMAX theater;)
108db

Opening sequence up to the title transformation.
110db peak

First fight China
Big Decepticon with giant wheel transforms and punches the ground. Highest peak of the movie.
114db
Optimus parachutes down from the plane.
106db
Fights with the monster Decepticon.
109db

Sam and Megan on phone. I took this as a reference to what normal speaking levels were at.
70db-75db

Bumblebee fighting the household appliances and destroying half the house.
104db

Optimus voice during military talk.
80db-96db

All spark retrieval. Some of the shots from the jaguarbot(don't know what it's called) on the government building holding a piece of the allspark.
104db

Megatron rescue
Diving
105db
Spark in chest
109db
Surfacing destroying the aircraft carrier
107db
Landing on the moon of Saturn the Fallen is on
107db

Fembot blows up door in the bedroom and when she enters the library.
106db

Starscream's and Megatron's footsteps in warehouse when they captured Sam and his friends.
105db

Battle to save Sam in warehouse where Optimus jumps over everyone while shooting. It felt like there will be some very deep bass.
105db-111db

Forest
First part of fight 103db-109db
Second part or fight 107db
Optimus gets killed and as he's falling there is some really deep bass.
106db-113db

Decepticons crash landing from space onto the aircraft carrier.
104db-107db

Ancient Blackbird thransformer
Transformation.
104db-106db
Falls down
104db-108db

Blackbird warp travel
Taking off from the field with the planes.
108db
Crash landing in Egypt or Jordan(can't remember which one).
108db-110db

Starcream
Shoots at bumblebee while they're driving to Optimus.
104db
EMP burst to knock out communication links.
105db

Devastator
Transformation
103db-110db
Sucktion and battle battle with twins.
103db-106db

Sam and Mikaela in the Arabic house. The footstep of the Decepticons and the house being blown up.
109db

Bumblebee fights red Decepticon usind the wheel belt as a whip.
103db-105db

The Jordan army helicopter crash.
105db-107db

Sam running from the blasts. Sounds like a heart beating.
104db

Scorpion blasts out of ground to attack Blackbird Autobot.
104db-106

Devastator killed by the secret super gun on battleship.
102db-104db

Fighter jet drops around 10 bombs on the Decepticons as the Autobots run for it. Huge explosion!
104db-110db

Fallen teleports in and takes matrix from Optimus's chest.
106db-107db

Fallen on the pyramid using his anti-gravity power to raise all the army vehicles into the air, then drops them. Sounds like a really good mix of bass frequencies!
105db-110db

Optimus vs Fallen
106db peaks


I forgot to add that the SPL meter was set to C weighting and fast response.

Question, what doe's everyone base their own home theater SPL to when measuring with the meter set to C weighting and slow response?

I set mine to 75db with the subs 85db

Try Valkyrie in the mean time, my front row seating was floating off the floor at times.

Art

Question, what doe's everyone base their own home theater SPL to when measuring with the meter set to C weighting and fast response?

I set mine to 75db with the subs 85db

I think there is some confusion. Those are options on the SPL meter. C weighting filters less low frequency sound the A weighting does. Fast response is just the reaction speed of the device. I don't think the theater runs the sub 10db hotter than the speakers mind you. I could be wrong though.

Try Valkyrie in the mean time, my front row seating was floating off the floor at times.

Art

Of course it was floating. You've got FOUR Submersives behind your screen;) Do you still use the other inwall subs that you have or did you take them out?

Try Valkyrie in the mean time, my front row seating was floating off the floor at times.

Art

Which scenes specifically If you don't mind. :)

I don't even think that is a "real" IMAX.

The only one I know that is legit is the one on Lincoln square.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/zz1bcb112e.jpg

LOL.. slightly exaggerated with the 6ft man but I do get your point.
I've heard sounds coming from there before while going to other movies and thought I was in for a treat when I saw the size of the surround speakers.
Seats were spaced out perfect and the screen was amazing; but sound was the only let down.
I've been to the one at Licoln square and also at 72nd or 73rd and actually preferred the 72nd theater so far. Licoln Center is no slouch and it could have been the movies viewed (72nd saw 300 - Licoln Center last night saw the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince pre-release).

When there's a movie I really want to see I always try to go IMAX theaters not just for the audio visual upgrade but it's also more enjoyable cause the rowdies and crowds usally don't want to pay the extra money.

"If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though." I would think that the smaller subs would sound alot better given their quicker transient responce time. I run several 10`s and they do alot better with the loud quick bass than my 15`s do..


just my 2 cents right or wrong. :cool:

"If you're using a sub under 15", you best consider an upgrade. Most of the DIYer's should be okay though." I would think that the smaller subs would sound alot better given their quicker transient responce time. I run several 10`s and they do alot better with the loud quick bass than my 15`s do..


just my 2 cents right or wrong. :cool:

how old are your subs ?

that was probably true many moons ago

large size drivers have gotten a lot better in recent years

look up the TC Sounds (now pulse audio) LMS-5400 15 & 18 inchers

i went with 15s instead of 18s back in the mid 90s because the 18s sounded sluggish to me but that was then. now they have long throw drivers with massive voice coils and magnets. whole new ball game

Ok, so I went into the theater and met with the projection manager. He told me some interesting things about the bulbs used in the projectors, but this story is about the audio. At the end of the movie, he took me behind the screen and we climbed the scaffolding about 15ft up to the plattform where the sub resides. The box is C shaped with six 18" drivers total, 3 on each side with the drivers facing each other and has a 2kw external amp. All speaker levels were set to 0 including the sub. For reference, -1 on their processor level control, equals -3db.

The highest bass peak measured was 114db, with plenty of bass between 104db to 110db throughout the film.

I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone, so all the details of where I got each reading are in the spoiler box. I measured almost every bass moment in the film. Hope they give you an idea of what to expect when we get this bad boy on blu ray;)


IMAX opening sequence that let's you know you're in an IMAX theater;)
108db

Opening sequence up to the title transformation.
110db peak

First fight China
Big Decepticon with giant wheel transforms and punches the ground. Highest peak of the movie.
114db
Optimus parachutes down from the plane.
106db
Fights with the monster Decepticon.
109db

Sam and Megan on phone. I took this as a reference to what normal speaking levels were at.
70db-75db

Bumblebee fighting the household appliances and destroying half the house.
104db

Optimus voice during military talk.
80db-96db

All spark retrieval. Some of the shots from the jaguarbot(don't know what it's called) on the government building holding a piece of the allspark.
104db

Megatron rescue
Diving
105db
Spark in chest
109db
Surfacing destroying the aircraft carrier
107db
Landing on the moon of Saturn the Fallen is on
107db

Fembot blows up door in the bedroom and when she enters the library.
106db

Starscream's and Megatron's footsteps in warehouse when they captured Sam and his friends.
105db

Battle to save Sam in warehouse where Optimus jumps over everyone while shooting. It felt like there will be some very deep bass.
105db-111db

Forest
First part of fight 103db-109db
Second part or fight 107db
Optimus gets killed and as he's falling there is some really deep bass.
106db-113db

Decepticons crash landing from space onto the aircraft carrier.
104db-107db

Ancient Blackbird thransformer
Transformation.
104db-106db
Falls down
104db-108db

Blackbird warp travel
Taking off from the field with the planes.
108db
Crash landing in Egypt or Jordan(can't remember which one).
108db-110db

Starcream
Shoots at bumblebee while they're driving to Optimus.
104db
EMP burst to knock out communication links.
105db

Devastator
Transformation
103db-110db
Sucktion and battle battle with twins.
103db-106db

Sam and Mikaela in the Arabic house. The footstep of the Decepticons and the house being blown up.
109db

Bumblebee fights red Decepticon usind the wheel belt as a whip.
103db-105db

The Jordan army helicopter crash.
105db-107db

Sam running from the blasts. Sounds like a heart beating.
104db

Scorpion blasts out of ground to attack Blackbird Autobot.
104db-106

Devastator killed by the secret super gun on battleship.
102db-104db

Fighter jet drops around 10 bombs on the Decepticons as the Autobots run for it. Huge explosion!
104db-110db

Fallen teleports in and takes matrix from Optimus's chest.
106db-107db

Fallen on the pyramid using his anti-gravity power to raise all the army vehicles into the air, then drops them. Sounds like a really good mix of bass frequencies!
105db-110db

Optimus vs Fallen
106db peaks

Thanks very much for your kind informations. ;)
Your post is very interesting: it give us a chance to compare our "house" reference level with the levels that everyday we could find in our cinemas.

When Transformers 2 will be on dvd or in Blu-ray, it will be interesting to see also the spectral graphs of that low bass scenes:
so we could join all the informations to have a complete "picture" of the situation. ;)

Thanks again... very good work! ;)

Thanks very much for your kind informations. ;)
Your post is very interesting: it give us a chance to compare our "house" reference level with the levels that everyday we could find in our cinemas.

When Transformers 2 will be on dvd or in Blu-ray, it will be interesting to see also the spectral graphs of that low bass scenes:
so we could join all the informations to have a complete "picture" of the situation. ;)

Thanks again... very good work! ;)

Thank you for the kind words. I look forward to the waterfalls and detailed tests of this movie on blu ray. What is going to be the next big action flick in theaters? Harry Potter 6 wasn't filled with big sound. There are some good moments, but nothing mind blowing.