Does this sub bring anything new to the table?

It looks like a direct competitor to the SVS SB12, and should promise similar performance for the size. It doesn't have the finish options of the SVS, and is priced higher with less features, so on the surface, it certainly seems like it's not a contender.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/ecs.html

Anybody willing to try one of these and host a shootout of the popular compact sealed ID subs? ;)

Where's it made ? SVS subs are made here in the USA.

A 10" can only do so much in a small sealed box. Seems a bit pricey.... $50 more for a Rythmik F15.

Does this sub bring anything new to the table

Time will tell but currently imo, no. For those with the absolute smallest footprint requirements and can't move to the SB12+ which offers more options with PEQ, Room Comp and other finish options or the Vanquish with better specs or the Rythmik with servo, all which offer 12" drivers and are cheaper options I guess it could.

But that would seemingly be a very, very small percentage.

I believe it is a rebadged Velodyne Chrysalis Photon 10.

Also the same price as an ED A7-450 with an 18" high excursion woofer and 1300W amp. I don't understand why this sub costs this much.... I realise people like small compact equipment, but this just isn't a good deal.

Also the same price as an ED A7-450 with an 18" high excursion woofer and 1300W amp. I don't understand why this sub costs this much.... I realise people like small compact equipment, but this just isn't a good deal.

I totally agree with your conclusion but I also think one needs to stay in the same general footprint when comparing. No one looking for a sub the size range of the A7-450 would even give a second thought, or first for that matter to the ECS-10.

I totally agree with your conclusion but I also think one needs to stay in the same general footprint when comparing. No one looking for a sub the size range of the A7-450 would even give a second thought, or first for that matter to the ECS-10.

I agree. Not many ID companies deal in small high powered subs. The ECS-10 obviously uses a lot of EQ on the low end to meet their claims (-3db 23hz). I have a hard time beleiving that 1000W claim though, as the woofer would have to have upwards 50mm xmax with 1000W pushing it in the 20hz range, if its Eqed.

Something like the Dayton T1003A (using the version of the amp with boost) would probably equal the outlaw down low in real world testing. 240W with boost at 30hz exceeds xmax, though not mechanical limits. The woofer has 19mm xmax.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-761

The high price gives them room to lower it later and still make a nice profit. The same marketing ploy is used at clearance sale, store closing sale, etc.

I believe it is a rebadged Velodyne Chrysalis Photon 10.

According to specs....same FR, amp power, cabinet dimensions (width/height), weight...

I'd say you're on to something there Curtis...

According to specs....same FR, amp power, cabinet dimensions (width/height), weight...

I'd say you're on to something there Curtis...

Hmm, interesting. I guess Outlaw needed a compact sub to offer to people looking for one without the expense of tooling their own. I'm not sure what advantage one of these would have over one of Velodyne's own branded subs

I agree with warp, I think Outlaw just wanted a small sealed sub in their stable.

It does seem to be a little less expensive than what the Velodyne counterpart can be found for online.

I agree with warp, I think Outlaw just wanted a small sealed sub in their stable.

It does seem to be a little less expensive than what the Velodyne counterpart can be found for online.

For the most part...although AH store is offering a 30% off code that should bring the Photon-10 in at a fair bit under what Outlaw is charging.

I have a hard time beleiving that 1000W claim though, as the woofer would have to have upwards 50mm xmax with 1000W pushing it in the 20hz range, if its Eqed.

The bold feature is probably why it is so costly!

Among the ECS-10's many features are:

• A sealed design
• A long throw 10" woofer with 8" piston
• A powerful 1000 Watt RMS amplifier for precise driver control
• Signal Sense for automatic turn on/off
• 180-degree phase control
• Line and speaker level inputs (with HPF/LPF)

Specifications

Driver Type: Front Firing, 10" Long-throw Woofer
Ports: None-Sealed Design
Amplifier Power Rating: 1000W RMS; 2000W peak
Frequency Response:
23Hz-120Hz +/-3dB
Crossover:
Lowpass : 40Hz to 120Hz and Bypass
Highpass: 80Hz
Phase: 0 or 180 Degrees
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 13.23" x 12.375" x 13.875 "
Shipping Weight: 46 lbs

I still question its ability. It will be interesting to see as time will tell as someone will give it a good test. :)

The bold feature is probably why it is so costly!

Among the ECS-10's many features are:

• A sealed design
• A long throw 10" woofer with 8" piston
• A powerful 1000 Watt RMS amplifier for precise driver control
• Signal Sense for automatic turn on/off
• 180-degree phase control
• Line and speaker level inputs (with HPF/LPF)

Specifications

Driver Type: Front Firing, 10" Long-throw Woofer
Ports: None-Sealed Design
Amplifier Power Rating: 1000W RMS; 2000W peak
Frequency Response:
23Hz-120Hz +/-3dB
Crossover:
Lowpass : 40Hz to 120Hz and Bypass
Highpass: 80Hz
Phase: 0 or 180 Degrees
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 13.23" x 12.375" x 13.875 "
Shipping Weight: 46 lbs

I still question its ability. It will be interesting to see as time will tell as someone will give it a good test. :)

That's just marketing, a generic statement saying the driver has more excursion then your standard woofer. Any non budget subwoofer is going to be a long throw design.

I was wondering when this sub was going to be mentioned, here.

It reminds me a lot of the relatively new Klipsch XW-500d (http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/xw-500d-overview/).

I was wondering when this sub was going to be mentioned, here.

It reminds me a lot of the relatively new Klipsch XW-500d (http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/xw-500d-overview/).

That Klipsch is much more believable

rebadged Velodyne= misleading and very bad:(

That's just marketing, a generic statement saying the driver has more excursion then your standard woofer. Any non budget subwoofer is going to be a long throw design.

The adjustable LP filter is an interesting touch. These subs apparantly could be fed a left and right signal and then the midbass and highs redirected to a pair of mains, which makes for an excellent MBM for those with deep bass extension needs. Redirect the LFE channel low.

rebadged Velodyne= misleading and very bad:(
Is it not?

The adjustable LP filter is an interesting touch.:confused:

Is it not?

absolutely, I was referring to Outlaw

absolutely, I was referring to Outlaw
OK...thought you had more info.

I've had my ECS-10 for over a week (ordered the first day the announcement came out) but hadn't taken it out of the box until yesterday due to moving (didn't wanna bang it up). First off, this thing is tiny compared to the LFM-1 EX, which is in turn smaller than some ED and SVS subs I've seen people bring up in other threads. While the price tag puts it near some very high performing subs, most of those are at least 2X the size. The small size, after all, is the selling point of the ECS-10. If you have no size limitations for a sub, a bigger box usually gives similar performance for less money or better performance for the same money.

All I had a chance to do yesterday was hook up a 3.1 system with Onkyo AVR, three Boston Soundwares, and the ECS-10 (going for high wife acceptance factor). Watching CSI Miami in HD, the ECS provided healthy bottom end as expected. All I did was set levels by ear and haven't run Audessey yet (the mic is packed somewhere) but from what I've heard so far, I'm pretty sure I'll be completely satisfied with the ECS-10. I'm not looking for super high dB's or the last few Hz of extension that bigger subs will do, so I'm not as critical as some.

Sorry I don't have any back-to-back comparisons with the EX. Last time I heard the EX was more than a week ago in a different house/room, so any comparisons like that are not very valid. I'm happy with the ECS-10 so far and can't wait to get the whole system up and EQ'ed. I'm really going to like pretty darn good sub performance in an HTIB-sized sub.

FYI the Chrysalis subs have three year warranties on electronics and 5 years on the driver.

Considering you can get the Chrysalis Photon 10 for for $700 with free shipping right now, and you'll get 2 more years warranty (on the driver/cabinet), I see no reason to go with the Outlaw version unless Outlaw has made some improvements to the design that are no evident from the specs.

Obviously, this is only an opinion.