I have not come across any blu-ray discs with PIP commentary using secondary audio. Is there a list anywhere?

I have not come across any blu-ray discs with PIP commentary using secondary audio. Is there a list anywhere?

Try selecting Bonus View on this page: http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php

-Bill

Thanks Bill. Do all those discs really have the PIP commentary? I know some blu-ray discs just use the secondary audio to make click noises when you traverse the main menu. Can they legitimately call the latter kind of discs "Bonus View"?

On the related subject of BD-LIVE, "Standard Operating Procedure" is listed as having this feature. However I could not find any BD-Live functionality on that disc. There was a menu item with the icon but clicking on it did nothing. As far as I can tell, my Panasonic DMP-BD60 is enabled for BD live with a 4G SD card and ethernet connection.

Thanks Bill. Do all those discs really have the PIP commentary? I know some blu-ray discs just use the secondary audio to make click noises when you traverse the main menu. Can they legitimately call the latter kind of discs "Bonus View"?

I don't know.

On the related subject of BD-LIVE, "Standard Operating Procedure" is listed as having this feature. However I could not find any BD-Live functionality on that disc.


I see no mention of BD-Live here: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1709/standardoperatingprocedure.html

-Bill

Interesting. Another review at http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=1147&show=review also doesn't mention it. However the BD Live logo is on the back cover of the disc case, the disc itself and menu. Maybe that is why it is listed as having BD Live at http://blu-raystats.com

Thanks Bill. Do all those discs really have the PIP commentary? I know some blu-ray discs just use the secondary audio to make click noises when you traverse the main menu. Can they legitimately call the latter kind of discs "Bonus View"?
It depends on how you define things. Strictly speaking, a BonusView title is going to have a secondary video stream embedded in the main feature that can be toggled by the playback device and requires a Profile 1.1 compliant player. You can detect these secondary video streams in a disc scan so there is no ambiguity, for example from Dr. Strangelove you can clearly see two video tracks:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=16670962&postcount=20

Obviously, this secondary video stream does not have to be a "commentary" in the classic sense and could just be storyboards, featurettes, etc. that appear in a PiP window so I'm not sure if you were looking to exclude those. There are also a number of titles (mostly older ones from New Line and Lionsgate) that have a PiP commentary but they are not implemented using Profile 1.1 BonusView. Instead, they are delivered as a completely separate encode on the disc with the PiP window burned into the video and thus will function on first generation BD players.

Not to mention both non-Java (interactive and presentation graphics streams) and BD-Java graphics overlays can be rendered and animated over the movie. For example, Men in Black has a telestrator graphics overlay for the Barry Sonnenfeld and Tommy Lee Jones audio commentary (think Mystery Science Theater silhouettes).

My point being that there a number of types of in-movie content multiplied by various ways to deliver this content, so these are hard to quantify into simple lists.

Thanks Bill. Do all those discs really have the PIP commentary? I know some blu-ray discs just use the secondary audio to make click noises when you traverse the main menu.

On BDs, there are secondary and effect audios. Secondary audio is for PIP. Effect audio is for the click noises on the menu. You must have your player output PCM if you want to hear them on your receiver. Most people choose not to because they want to bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD to their receivers.

On BDs, there are secondary and effect audios. Secondary audio is for PIP. Effect audio is for the click noises on the menu. You must have your player output PCM if you want to hear them on your receiver. Most people choose not to because they want to bitstream Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD to their receivers.

Just goes to show that the majority can rule without being right.

Just goes to show that the majority can rule without being right.

Well some people believe there is a slight degradation in sound quality because of the conversion from Dolby TrueHD Or DTS-HD to PCM. But PCM is uncompressed, so I think it's all in people's head.

Well some people believe there is a slight degradation in sound quality because of the conversion from Dolby TrueHD Or DTS-HD to PCM. But PCM is uncompressed, so I think it's all in people's head.

Key word: "believe." The list of things that "most people" believe that are unprovable or definitively untrue is staggeringly vast.

Interesting. Another review at http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=1147&show=review also doesn't mention it. However the BD Live logo is on the back cover of the disc case, the disc itself and menu. Maybe that is why it is listed as having BD Live at http://blu-raystats.com

Pretty much all Sony titles since some time last year have BD Live.

It takes you to an internet portal and you can register your disc for a chance to earn fabulous prizes.

Sadly I have found it to be a fairly futile exercise - I should contact them and tell them what I think of that...

Also, as Cinema Squid noted, titles with 'Bonus View' have a secondary video track. I do not track what the secondary video contains.

The PiP flag indicates that a PiP feature exists - it can be Bonus View or a second encode of the entire title with a PiP picture in place.

Hope that clarifies things.

Also the database is not perfect - if you find errors feel free to let me know.

Cheers!

Well since "Standard Operating Procedure" is a 2008 Sony release, it seems I should have been sent to that site when I clicked on the BDLive logo on the menu. I hope someone else who has played that disc could tell me if he/she had better luck.