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Toe
07-03-09, 12:55 PM
One of the absolute best concert films ever IMO (if not the best) is coming to BR October 13!

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3012


This should be reference audio if the DVD is any indication.....cant fricken wait!

dvdmike007
07-03-09, 01:52 PM
Fantastic all I want now is the Peter Gabriel DVD's on Blu

Toe
07-03-09, 01:57 PM
Fantastic all I want now is the Peter Gabriel DVD's on Blu


+1......That would be awesome as well:)

bob_c_b
07-03-09, 07:13 PM
It's been a great year for music on Blu, Flight 666, Snakes & Arrows Live and now this.

sharkshark
07-03-09, 07:34 PM
tremendous news - for those that don't have the DVD, there are two 5.1 mixes, one by David, one ostensibly by the rest of the band... Hope to get at least these two in lossless!

Toe
07-03-09, 07:39 PM
tremendous news - for those that don't have the DVD, there are two 5.1 mixes, one by David, one ostensibly by the rest of the band... Hope to get at least these two in lossless!

Agreed.....hope we get both these 5.1 mixes in lossless.

dargo
07-03-09, 08:15 PM
Great news a must buy!

Hughmc
07-03-09, 09:43 PM
I remember people dancing in the theatres as it was so upbeat and motivating, which seemed the point in the 80's getting people to get into the music and dance. Great stuff, thanks for the heads up Toe!!

Kram Sacul
07-04-09, 06:15 AM
Hope it's given a decent transfer.

audiotomb
07-04-09, 06:59 AM
man, I've been waiting for this!
probably my favorite concert video of all time
maybe they will throw in some Rome 1980 with Belew as extras
(Who Kilburn had a 69 show as an add on)

and funny before I even opened the thread was thinking about the Peter Gabriel concerts on blu

also Sade - Lovers Rock - very sensual and great musicianship
and Steely Dan Plush, Roxy Music At the Apollo, Led Zeppelin (the Live dvd or better yet Earls Court 1975 completer)etc

Toe
07-04-09, 11:47 AM
I remember people dancing in the theatres as it was so upbeat and motivating, which seemed the point in the 80's getting people to get into the music and dance. Great stuff, thanks for the heads up Toe!!

That is awesome! How fun that would have been:D

man, I've been waiting for this!
probably my favorite concert video of all time
maybe they will throw in some Rome 1980 with Belew as extras
(Who Kilburn had a 69 show as an add on)

and funny before I even opened the thread was thinking about the Peter Gabriel concerts on blu

also Sade - Lovers Rock - very sensual and great musicianship
and Steely Dan Plush, Roxy Music At the Apollo, Led Zeppelin (the Live dvd or better yet Earls Court 1975 completer)etc

I would kill for the complete Earls Court 1975 show!:eek: That 3 song acoustic opener on the Led Zep DVD is one of my favorite concert pieces and I have used this as concert "demo" material more than anything else.......It sounds absolutely incredible.....

audiotomb
07-08-09, 06:05 PM
not to thread jump so a quick comment
the zep earls court 75 was all shot close cropped for the screen above the concert and 4:3 format
so a blu release is not likely
then again as Robert Plant ages terribly, he may want his pristine image out there

talking heads - yes - we really need Stop Making Sense
but make a boat load of extras - the extra songs
choice of theatrical or all inclusive
maybe a few rare early shows, rome 80 or other shows
videos
load that sucker with great heads material and some new extended interviews
and not just with david

Dave Mack
07-08-09, 06:10 PM
not to thread jump so a quick comment
the zep earls court 75 was all shot close cropped for the screen above the concert and 4:3 format
so a blu release is not likely...


Yeah, but 4x3 HD is still damned good....

Toe
07-08-09, 09:07 PM
Yeah, but 4x3 HD is still damned good....


Agreed, and honestly I am more interested in the audio on the concert releases, especially a 75 Zep show......Earls Court in lossless would be fantastic!

moshmothma
07-08-09, 11:46 PM
YESSSSS!!!!!! I have been waiting for this one. Can't wait.

fjames
09-11-09, 06:49 PM
Bumping this because it's next month.

"The Blu-ray debut of Stop Making Sense has been remastered from the original 35mm interpositive into 1.85:1 1080p video and either 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio or stereo 2.0 audio."

Maybe we'll get lucky.

rsbeck
09-11-09, 11:47 PM
Counting the days!

Greg_R_STL
09-24-09, 11:12 AM
Here's the Bits review (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bdreviews092309.html#sto). Not the ultimate edition wished for above, but it sounds good. I'm not even much of a Talking Heads fan, but this is a great movie.

Toe
09-24-09, 08:16 PM
Here's the Bits review (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/reviewshd/bdreviews092309.html#sto). Not the ultimate edition wished for above, but it sounds good. I'm not even much of a Talking Heads fan, but this is a great movie.

19.5/20 for audio......:cool: CANT WAIT TO WATCH/LISTEN TO THIS!:D

This and Fight Club are the only BRs I have ever preordered....really excited for this one.

Toe
09-28-09, 10:57 PM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Stop-Making-Sense-Blu-ray-Review/6140/

5/5 Audio....

:cool:

JetJockey1
09-29-09, 11:39 AM
I have never seen this film/concert before....never did see it available at any shops up here in the frozen tundra...weird.

As a DJ in the late 70's, early 80's I am very familiar with their work...I was a dance club DJ...disco,funk, rock evolving into punk and then into new wave, this should be a blast.

Audio wise...loving the sound of two different 5.1 mixes. Hey Toe...me thinks you and i are going to prefer the "board" mix:D. I hope there is lots of really solid bass in this one.

Blind/deaf buy for me.

Shaded Dogfood
09-29-09, 03:12 PM
Great film. It's sort of an opera without a plot. The last few songs build to an unbelievable fever pitch. One of the greatest, if not the greatest of all concert films.

Toe
09-29-09, 09:52 PM
I have never seen this film/concert before....never did see it available at any shops up here in the frozen tundra...weird.

As a DJ in the late 70's, early 80's I am very familiar with their work...I was a dance club DJ...disco,funk, rock evolving into punk and then into new wave, this should be a blast.

Audio wise...loving the sound of two different 5.1 mixes. Hey Toe...me thinks you and i are going to prefer the "board" mix:D. I hope there is lots of really solid bass in this one.

Blind/deaf buy for me.


BUY WITHOUT HESITATION!:D I dont want to hype this too much, but this should be one of the absolute best blind/deaf buys you will ever make. This still ranks in my top 3 overall as far as DVD concerts is concerned and the audio on the DVD is incredible IMO......funny thing though is I cant remember if I have always watched the feature film mix or the board mix:confused: l know I have only listened to one of the mixes every time I have watched this and I honestly think I have only watched the feature film mix and have always been blown away by it.......cant wait to check out the board mix which will probably somehow be even better?! I suspect you are right though that the board mix will be the preferred choice for both of us;)

Godbluffer
10-11-09, 07:17 AM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Stop-Making-Sense-Blu-ray-Review/6140/
Looking at the screenshots I think they look VERY soft. Is this *really* a new transfer of the original film? :(

Kram Sacul
10-11-09, 11:35 AM
Kind of hard to tell by 720p screenshots but I remember the print I saw a few years ago being on the soft side.

Godbluffer
10-11-09, 11:41 AM
Kind of hard to tell by 720p screenshots but I remember the print I saw a few years ago being on the soft side.

I have a user account over there, so I'm able to view the 1080p screenshots. But where did you see the print?

Kram Sacul
10-11-09, 11:50 AM
It was at a special AFI screening in Hollywood.

Toe
10-11-09, 01:49 PM
Looking at the screenshots I think they look VERY soft. Is this *really* a new transfer of the original film? :(

The DVD is soft as I remember as well.....my expectations are not high as far as the video on this disc.....where this one really shines is audio and whatever video improvement we get over the DVD will be a bonus IMO. Not saying I dont want a great transfer, but audio should really be the focus on this one IMO.

rsbeck
10-12-09, 02:33 AM
The raw material may not lend itself to demo quality visuals, but I still love the visual construction of this movie.

Toe
10-12-09, 02:35 AM
^Agreed.

Godbluffer
10-12-09, 01:57 PM
The raw material may not lend itself to demo quality visuals, but I still love the visual construction of this movie.

I most certainly love that too! :) But then again, I could say that about a lot of movies, yet - for a high definition medium like blu-ray is - still expect a bit more than we seem to be getting here. That's the whole point of HD, superior sound AND picture. And this makes me wonder if the blu-ray *really* is the best presentation possible for this movie.

rsbeck
10-12-09, 04:15 PM
Not all movies are meant to look like Quantum of Solace. Unless they screw up the transfer, the blu-ray will look better than the DVD, will offer higher resolution, more information while retaining the artistic intent. Blu-ray will bring out the best that the movie can offer but the movie will not represent the ultimate in what blu-ray has to offer in the way of detail, but 99.9% of the time -- I would rather watch a great movie presented in its best form. That's what I am expecting here.

Godbluffer
10-12-09, 04:30 PM
Not all movies are meant to look like Quantum of Solace. Unless they screw up the transfer, the blu-ray will look better than the DVD, will offer higher resolution, more information while retaining the artistic intent. Blu-ray will bring out the best that the movie can offer but the movie will not represent the ultimate in what blu-ray has to offer in the way of detail, but 99.9% of the time -- I would rather watch a great movie presented in its best form. That's what I am expecting here.

I'm well aware that not every movie will look like Quantum of Solace, and I don't have any problem with that notion per se. I'm just doubting that this is the best this particular film CAN look, because it doesn't even come close to what 35 mm film usually looks like. That's the only thing I'm pointing out here, and therefore it's not unvalid for me to question if the best possible source was actually used here. There HAVE been screw-ups before.

rsbeck
10-12-09, 04:55 PM
it's not unvalid for me to question if the best possible source was actually used here. There HAVE been screw-ups before.

Okay, I wasn't clear on your point. That certainly is a valid question. I recall seeing this in the theater and to my eyes it always had a soft/rough look to it.

Godbluffer
10-12-09, 05:21 PM
Okay, I wasn't clear on your point. That certainly is a valid question. I recall seeing this in the theater and to my eyes it always had a soft/rough look to it.

Problem is that many theatres are given soft/rough prints of just about *anything*, so that doesn't say a lot. :D I'll end up buying it anyway though, if only to get rid of the european PAL sped-up DVD disaster. :o

John Schneider
10-13-09, 06:29 PM
So, did anybody pick it up yet? Thoughts?

I'm trying to figure out if I'm gonna stop at BB on the way home and pick it up. I'll have a chance to watch tomorrow morning with an empty house:)(going into work for a late shift :().

Was hoping to hear comments on the sound before I pulled the trigger.

rsbeck
10-13-09, 07:05 PM
My copy should be here Friday.

John Schneider
10-13-09, 08:50 PM
Stopped by local (small) BB on the way home to get it, and SURPRISE, SURPRISE....




They didn't have it!!!!


Oh well. some other time..............

Toe
10-13-09, 08:54 PM
Amazon shipped out my copy today.......one of the few BR purchases I am making this year.:)

c-not-k
10-13-09, 09:06 PM
Mine shipped too. (Anybody want my worn-out VHS copy?)

I saw the tour (and a few others.) Been a fan since '77. (Pun intended.) I'll enjoy this on the big screen.

Steve Wright
10-14-09, 11:09 AM
Audio blows the DVD out of the water, by a large margin. Video not a much of an upgrade but a must own for the audio.

arty100
10-14-09, 07:00 PM
I just played the blu-ray from Netflix..

Something is possibly really wierd with the DTS MASTER Audio.

David Burne sounds really "off mike" in some solo vocal parts.

I have played DTS MASTER audio before with no problems on my system.

Anyone else notice this?

drebnord
10-14-09, 08:32 PM
Wow. Today I received my Blu-ray of "Stop Making Sense" by the Talking Heads. Compared to the DVD the video is a nice incremental upgrade, but my oh my the audio...

I have all the Talking Heads Dual Discs and I've listened to/watched the Stop Making Sense" DVD many times. I've only watched the Blu-Ray once, with the DTS-HD-MA studio mix using my Oppo BDP-983, but again Wow.

Toe
10-14-09, 09:56 PM
Audio blows the DVD out of the water, by a large margin. Video not a much of an upgrade but a must own for the audio.

Sweeeet!:cool:

parabola
10-16-09, 06:22 AM
Could somebody please check if this is region free? I would love to order this, but I only have a region B player....

moshmothma
10-16-09, 09:32 AM
Video is a nice upgrade from the DVD. More filmic for me with a bit more depth, color and detail..
The audio is superior! A massive upgrade from the dvd - lots of little things never noticed before with a clear distinction between instrumentation. Some of this music is so layered and complex it's neat to be able to just close you eyes and pick out stuff that barely registered before.

Highly recommended!

Maestro J
10-16-09, 12:22 PM
Watching and listening to this right now.
Video is pretty horrid. Very soft, no depth or detail and lots of print damage and such.
But the audio is outstanding. Love the studio mix. I went back and forth for a while between studio and live and I like studio better. Recorded at a perfect volume. Gosh, every instrument has great separation. Great example of this is "Slippery People" (track 5). I feel like I've listened to "Burning Down the House" for the first time after years of hearing it compressed.
Wonderfully done.

drebnord
10-16-09, 02:14 PM
"Could somebody please check if this is region free? I would love to order this, but I only have a region B player...."

The case is marked as region A. I will check tonight to see if it is indeed region locked.

eric.exe
10-16-09, 08:37 PM
A few comparisons to the DVD:

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Kram Sacul
10-16-09, 11:04 PM
Uh oh. :(

Toe
10-17-09, 12:37 AM
^^^^Did you expect it to be much better:confused:

Any video improvement for this one would be a bonus IMO.....to focus on video that is not all that it could be on a 25 year old concert film in light of how killer the audio track supposedly is (have not listened to mine yet which came today) is a bit ridiculous IMO. Just turn up the volume a bit more and that soft video wont look as bad;)

eric.exe
10-17-09, 12:44 AM
The video is a lot more pleasing to look at on the BD imo. Brighter where it needs to be brighter, darker where it needs to be darker. And it doesn't have the smearing that the DVD had, as evidenced in screenshot set 7.

And the DVD only had DD5.1 448k and DD2.0 192k, no full rate DTS or pcm stereo, so it's pretty worthless.

rsbeck
10-17-09, 12:46 AM
I have the DVD and my blu-ray should be here this weekend. I want to see it in motion.

Kram Sacul
10-17-09, 01:21 AM
^^^^Did you expect it to be much better:confused:

No but a little better than this. The captures look out of focus.

rsbeck
10-18-09, 06:14 AM
Watched it tonight. Listened to the studio mix. The sound is absolutely fantastic. Huge improvement over the DVD.

On the video side, I would call it inconsistent, but I am still of the mind that this is probably the best this film can look.

On the plus side, I saw no evidence of sharpening, no ringing to speak of, no sign of EE at all. Grain seems beautifully rendered. So, no sign of inappropriate digital tampering. I like that.

The image can be sharp and detailed some of the time, but soft and grungy looking at other times, sometimes during the same camera shot. The change in the image from sharp to soft seems to coincide with differences in lighting as the cameras move about the stage.

Demme and the Talking Heads didn't want the filming to intrude on the theater audience's experience, so it appears that they filmed using the lighting design employed to illuminate the show rather than add a lot of strategic bright lighting to aid the film cameras.

I suspect that the soft grungy look was intentional, that they intended a sort of low budget, cinema verite, warts and all type of look. Anti-glitzy, anti-flash, anti-sharp and professional looking. An arty/grungy look.

It also appears that Demme and his camera crew concerned themselves more with capturing the visual construction of the concert, with artful framing and composition, rather than trying to make it look pretty.

If I am correct about this, then the decision to leave the nicks and scratches rather than digitally correct them was also probably an artistic decision in keeping with this aesthetic. It adds to the feeling you're seeing this at a midnight movie with a well used print.

The main thing this movie holds for me is of course the music, but also the visual construction of the show, which is well represented here, as it has been in every incarnation. Other than that, it is the oddly mesmerizing performance of the incomparable and improbably charismatic David Byrne.

What a Marvel. He's the embodiment of nerd/chic. So wrong, he right. So out, he's in. He's fascinating. The juxtaposition of the artfully awkward, off-beat, art school bred Byrne against the incredibly danceable world beat/new wave/old school/funk is a hoot. The band, with some tasty additions; Bernie Worrel, Alex Weir, back-up singers Lynn Mabry and Edna Holt, will have you moving in your seat.

Byrne turns out to be a gifted performer, getting great milage out of simple props and concepts.

Demme was smart to simply capture the narrative inherent in the show and the decision to refrain from audience cutaways and back-stage interviews really adds to the continuity. When it was over, I couldn't believe I had just watched an 80 minute concert film. The time literally flew by.

If you already have the DVD and you're considering an upgrade, you'll get a huge improvement in sonics and a slight improvement in visual quality.

You won't bring this out to demo blu-ray PQ at its finest, but you're likely to bring it out to demo blu-ray concert sound and you can comfort yourself with the notion that this is probably the best it is ever going to look and most likely represents the artistic intent of the film makers.

Toe
10-18-09, 10:51 AM
Watched it tonight. Listened to the studio mix. The sound is absolutely fantastic. Huge improvement over the DVD.

On the video side, I would call it inconsistent, but I am still of the mind that this is probably the best this film can look.

On the plus side, I saw no evidence of sharpening, no ringing to speak of, no sign of EE at all. Grain seems beautifully rendered. So, no sign of inappropriate digital tampering. I like that.



If you already have the DVD and you're considering an upgrade, you'll get a huge improvement in sonics and a slight improvement in visual quality.

You won't bring this out to demo blu-ray PQ at its finest, but you're likely to bring it out to demo blu-ray concert sound and you can comfort yourself with the notion that this is probably the best it is ever going to look and most likely represents the artistic intent of the film makers.


Awesome......personaly I would not want this film any other way. I think we are going to finaly agree on a audio track rsbeck:eek:;)

No but a little better than this. The captures look out of focus.


Sure, but this could be an artistic decision considering the band, material, film, director, etc....

audiotomb
10-21-09, 08:50 PM
huge heads fan - instant amazon preorder buy

sound is fab -way beyond expectations
video disappointing - very washed out

a lot of the blacks are too bright and that's on a oppo kuro combo

hard days night is 20 years older and sharp as hell

saw that heads tour but missed the one before with Adrian Belew

killer disc despite the major disappointments

harbong
10-23-09, 12:19 PM
got this in the mail yesterday, love it!!
it is like being at a midnight movie with an amazing sound system. there are reel change burns left in!

nut bunnies
10-23-09, 05:02 PM
huge heads fan - instant amazon preorder buy

sound is fab -way beyond expectations
video disappointing - very washed out

a lot of the blacks are too bright and that's on a oppo kuro combo

hard days night is 20 years older and sharp as hell

saw that heads tour but missed the one before with Adrian Belew

killer disc despite the major disappointments

Did you ever consider that it isn't might not meant to be sharp?

rsbeck
10-24-09, 05:17 AM
When filming a performance, the artist has to make some decisions.

In many cases, they add very bright lights to help with the filming.

Without bright lights, you are not going to get a consistently sharp picture and contrast is going to suffer.

If you've ever been to a concert taping where they employ bright lights for the cameras, you know how it can suck to be an audience at these types of shows.

Secondly, there are film makers who challenge themselves to forgo the strategically placed bright lights and to rely instead on the available natural light.

The results can be pleasing in some aspects and less than pleasing in others, but this is a conscious artistic choice.

Here, we seem to have a film where the artist doesn't use the available natural light, but uses the available stage lighting.

IMO, it is an unusual choice, but an interesting one.

Whether one appreciates it or not will of course be up to the individual.

I like that they did something different.

I get tired of looking at pores on every blu-ray and I've grown to despise the brightly lit prettified look of the typical cookie cutter concert video.

For me, what is going on in this concert film is unique and the artistic choices made in filming continue in that vein.

Personally, I like it.