I have an HD-DVD (Eagles) which used to play on my HP laptop. That laptop has since died. I was able to salvage the HD-DVD drive and hook it up to my PC via USB enclosure. The drive is now working fine and I can play DVDs off of it.

My problem is playing that HD-DVD. I don't have any software that will play it. I tried PowerDVD Ultimate and WinDVD9 but they both stutter horrendously with any HD or Blu-Ray.

I am able to play Blu-Rays using PowerDVD7.3 OEM which came with my Sony Blu-Ray drive. However, PowerDVD7.3 will not play HD-DVD.

Does anyone know what I can do to play this one HD-DVD? I'd be more than happy to buy the Blu-Ray but it is not available on Blu-Ray.

Check out Total Media Theatre from Arcsoft. Works pretty well for me with the Xbox 360 HD add on drive.

Funny .. I checked out TMT after I posted this but it doesn't play HD DVDs.

So, I've tried:

PowerDVD9 Ultimate - plays HD-DVD but stutters
WinDVD9 - plays HD-DVD but stutters
Total Media Theather - Doesn't play HD-DVD
PowerDVD7.3 - doesn't play HD-DVD


Anyone have any other suggestions?

PowerDVD 7.3 absolutely plays HD DVD's. If yours isn't, try a different software build. I use PowerDVD 7.3 and 9. I was completely unaware PowerDVD 9 played HD DVD. :confused: I thought they dropped HD DVD in 8? My version of 9 does not, but I think I have Deluxe, not 100% sure.

So, I've tried:

PowerDVD9 Ultimate - plays HD-DVD but stutters
WinDVD9 - plays HD-DVD but stutters
Total Media Theather - Doesn't play HD-DVD
PowerDVD7.3 - doesn't play HD-DVD
PowerDVD 9 doesn't play HD-DVD at all (feature was dropped a while ago). WinDVD should play HD-DVD. TMT should play HD-DVD. There are several different OEM-Versions of PowerDVD 7, some play HD-DVD, some don't. The full retail version does, of course.
Anyone have any other suggestions?There is probably some other issue with your system.

I have an HD-DVD (Eagles) which used to play on my HP laptop. That laptop has since died. I was able to salvage the HD-DVD drive and hook it up to my PC via USB enclosure. The drive is now working fine and I can play DVDs off of it.

My problem is playing that HD-DVD. I don't have any software that will play it. I tried PowerDVD Ultimate and WinDVD9 but they both stutter horrendously with any HD or Blu-Ray.

I am able to play Blu-Rays using PowerDVD7.3 OEM which came with my Sony Blu-Ray drive. However, PowerDVD7.3 will not play HD-DVD.

Does anyone know what I can do to play this one HD-DVD? I'd be more than happy to buy the Blu-Ray but it is not available on Blu-Ray.

I have been using Nero 8 app Showtime with no problems so far, Nero 9 dropped HD DVD support.

Try ripping it with MakeMKV to remove the overhead. VLC v1.0 is suppose to play an MKV wrapper.

Funny .. I checked out TMT after I posted this but it doesn't play HD DVDs.

So, I've tried:

PowerDVD9 Ultimate - plays HD-DVD but stutters
WinDVD9 - plays HD-DVD but stutters
Total Media Theather - Doesn't play HD-DVD
PowerDVD7.3 - doesn't play HD-DVD


Anyone have any other suggestions?

TMT does play HD DVD's

PowerDVD 7.3 absolutely plays HD DVD's. If yours isn't, try a different software build. I use PowerDVD 7.3 and 9. I was completely unaware PowerDVD 9 played HD DVD. :confused: I thought they dropped HD DVD in 8? My version of 9 does not, but I think I have Deluxe, not 100% sure.

How do I get the special build of PowerDVD7.3 that allows me to play HD-DVD?

PowerDVD 9 doesn't play HD-DVD at all (feature was dropped a while ago)..

Yes, it does. I tried it a few weeks ago but it's choppy. Cyberlink would not provide me support other than stock answers.

WinDVD should play HD-DVD.

Yes, WinDVD9 does. I tried it a few weeks ago but it's choppy. Corel would not provide me support other than stock answers. The day after I paid $69 for the software (on sale) Corel wanted to charge me for phone support. No dice.

TMT should play HD-DVD.

No, it doesn't. I tried it last week. Their website makes no mention that it will work either.

There are several different OEM-Versions of PowerDVD 7, some play HD-DVD, some don't.

How do I get these special OEM versions that you refer to?

The full retail version does, of course.

How do I get this version that you refer to? I only saw PowerDVD9 on Cyberlinks site and (above) that does not work.


There is probably some other issue with your system.

Cyberlink, Corel, and Arcsoft all have "system advisor" software and my system meets or exceeds all requirements.

PowerDVD7.3 OEM which came with my SONY drive plays Blu-Ray discs perfectly without a stutter. It also upconverts DVD nicely too. It just wont play HD-DVD.

Try ripping it with MakeMKV to remove the overhead. VLC v1.0 is suppose to play an MKV wrapper.

:( For each of my HD-DVDs, MKV gives me the following error:

VC-1 video stream without TFCNTR information is not supported, sorry. Few HD-DVDs use it anyway.
Failed to decode audio/video data for title #1 - invalid mux or internal error, title skipped.
Failed to open disc

These HD-DVDs all play in WinDVD9 but it is choppy. I am just looking for a player which will play my HD-DVDs as nicely as PowerDVD7.3 plays my Blu-Rays.

TMT2 and TMT3 both play HD DVDs. Check out the HTPC forum for more details. I watched some of Bourne Ultimatum last night with no issues at all.

TMT2 and TMT3 both play HD DVDs.


Guys, I'm glad you are all trying to help but telling me that previous versions of PowerDVD, WinDVD and TMT all play HD-DVD does not help me unless you also show me how to download or purchase those previous versions.

Check out the HTPC forum for more details.

I must say .. those instuctions are a bit vague. Why not just say "check the internet"?

I don't have time to read that entire forum. Although I have searched it for "HD-DVD player software", I got no meaningful hits. Could you give me a thread or a search keyword?

Yes, it does. I tried it a few weeks ago but it's choppy. Cyberlink would not provide me support other than stock answers.I doubt that very much. HD-DVD support was officially dropped by Cyberlink when version 8 was released. If whatever disc you have plays in PowerDVD 9, it's not an HD-DVD.
No, it doesn't. I tried it last week. Their website makes no mention that it will work either.TMT (both 2 and 3) definitely plays HD-DVDs. I use it regularly.
How do I get these special OEM versions that you refer to?They were pack-ins with some HD-DVD-capable drives, e.g. the LG GGC-H20L.
How do I get this version that you refer to? I only saw PowerDVD9 on Cyberlinks site and (above) that does not work.PowerDVD 7 is not available anymore. At most you may be lucky and find a boxed version somewhere.
PowerDVD7.3 OEM which came with my SONY drive plays Blu-Ray discs perfectly without a stutter. It also upconverts DVD nicely too. It just wont play HD-DVD.It would have surprised me if Sony packed in something that supports HD-DVD ...

Guys, I'm glad you are all trying to help but telling me that previous versions of PowerDVD, WinDVD and TMT all play HD-DVD does not help me unless you also show me how to download or purchase those previous versions.
I bought an LG combo drive a few weeks back and it was bundled with an HD-DVD-compatible version of PowerDVD 7.3. This OEM version requires the LG drive.

Again, does anyone know of any HD-DVD player besides WinDVD, PowerDVD, or TMT?

WinDVD9 stutters violently and they will not support it with anything other than stock answers. Getting a refund is also impossible because of the same.

PowerDVD9 and PowerDVD7.3 do not play HD-DVD.

While people out there have versions of TMT that play HD-DVD, ArcSoft's website does not show an HD-DVD logo for the Standard, Gold, or Platinum versions of TMT3. To verify, I installed a trial version of Platinum and, in fact, it does not play HD-DVD. So, the versions of TMT that are available on ArcSoft's website cannot play HD-DVD.

Again, does anyone know of any HD-DVD player besides WinDVD, PowerDVD, or TMT?There is none.
WinDVD9 stutters violently and they will not support it with anything other than stock answers. Getting a refund is also impossible because of the same.Corel has a money-back guarantee, so you can get a refund. However, before you do that, first be sure that the stuttering is not because of hardware limitations. You need at least a dual-core CPU and a video card that supports HD video decoding offload.
While people out there have versions of TMT that play HD-DVD, ArcSoft's website does not show an HD-DVD logo for the Standard, Gold, or Platinum versions of TMT3. To verify, I installed a trial version of Platinum and, in fact, it does not play HD-DVD. So, the versions of TMT that are available on ArcSoft's website cannot play HD-DVD.To repeat: The full version of TMT platinum definitely plays HD-DVDs.

I meet or exceed all hardware requirements. Like I said earlier, PowerDVD7.3 plays Blu-Rays flawlessly.

Again, does anyone know of any HD-DVD player besides WinDVD, PowerDVD, or TMT?

I must say .. those instuctions are a bit vague. Why not just say "check the internet"?

I don't have time to read that entire forum. Although I have searched it for "HD-DVD player software", I got no meaningful hits. Could you give me a thread or a search keyword?

If you are going to play HD DVDs via computer you will find that you will need do a lot of reading and research.

Here is the link for the HTPC forum: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26/

Here is a link to the TMT3 thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131238

Regarding that 44 page TMT3 thread. I see a few people (a few) asking the same question I'm asking "What about HD-DVD?". However, I never once see that question get answered. It seems to get completely ignored. If you think I missed something, can you point me to the exact page?

Now, your other link pointed me to an entire forum with tens of thousands of pages. While that's a bit more specific than "check the internet" ... could you narrow that one down a bit as well?

Remember, I am playing Blu-Rays with PowerDVD7.3 just fine and that I've already tried WinDVD9, TMT3, and PowerDVD9 to play HD-DVDs but they either stutter of have AV sync issues. WinDVD9 comes closest with less than a 2 second AV sync delay.

Regarding that 44 page TMT3 thread. I see a few people (a few) asking the same question I'm asking "What about HD-DVD?". However, I never once see that question get answered. It seems to get completely ignored. If you think I missed something, can you point me to the exact page?
I used the trial version of TMT3 to play HD-DVDs under Vista. Hardware was the LG combo drive.

I'll reiterate that the retail version of PowerDVD 7.3 plays HD-DVD as well as Blu-ray; the same holds true for the OEM version bundled with the LG combo drive. There is a stutter problem with certain builds released after the fall; apparently it was corrected in the latest version.

Edit: ... I installed a trial version of Platinum and, in fact, it does not play HD-DVD. So, the versions of TMT that are available on ArcSoft's website cannot play HD-DVD.
Not true; I downloaded the 7.3 Platinum evaluation edition and it *does* play HD-DVD. In fact, I specifically downloaded it for HD-DVD use. Mind you, that was with the LG combo drive, which seems to be the most robust HD-DVD PC solution.

Regarding that 44 page TMT3 thread. I see a few people (a few) asking the same question I'm asking "What about HD-DVD?". However, I never once see that question get answered. It seems to get completely ignored. If you think I missed something, can you point me to the exact page?Just read the last few pages. In addition, several people here have now confirmed to you that TMT3 is capable of playing HD-DVDs. What more do you want?

There is obviously some problem with your system. My guess would be that the controller in your USB enclosure is simply unable to pass through the extended commands to the laptop drive that are necessary to play HD-DVDs (mostly related to the AACS copy protection). But there could be other reasons as well.

Did you download it from ArcSoft or did it come with your drive? I tried again today and it doesn't play HD-DVD. It does play the individual EVOs but they are very statticy and still out of sync.

Did you download it from ArcSoft or did it come with your drive? I tried again today and it doesn't play HD-DVD. It does play the individual EVOs but they are very statticy and still out of sync.
I downloaded it from Arcsoft.

TMT3 plays Blu-Rays with some serious stutterring.

Now, I originally thought it couldn't play HD-DVD because (a) it doesn't have an HD-DVD logo and (b) IT ABORTS!!!

TMT3 plays Blu-Rays with some serious stutterring.

Now, I originally thought it couldn't play HD-DVD because (a) it doesn't have an HD-DVD logo and (b) IT ABORTS!!!
You have hardware issues, partner.

TMT3 plays Blu-Rays with some serious stutterring.

Now, I originally thought it couldn't play HD-DVD because (a) it doesn't have an HD-DVD logo and (b) IT ABORTS!!!

You have hardware issues, partner.
Agreed! Fault-free HD playback is VERY DIFFICULT to achieve in an HTPC.

You have hardware issues, partner.

No other real answer, at least not one as obvious. jaja714, what HD DVD drive do you have? You mentioned that it came form a laptop?

Agreed! Fault-free HD playback is VERY DIFFICULT to achieve in an HTPC.

Not in my experience, 9 times out of 10 its simply a matter of not meeting the recommended hardware specifications.

Agreed! Fault-free HD playback is VERY DIFFICULT to achieve in an HTPC.

I have over 99% fault free HD playback which is at least as good as an STB (though much more work and tweaking is involved). I do convert all my HD DVD's to BD ISO's and use TMT for playback though.

* I think I meet or exceed all poasted CyberLink and Corel hardware requirements for HD playback (I think)

* PowerDVD7.3 has played dozens of my Blu-Rays and dozens of my DVDs flawlessly in 1080p an DTS.

* my drive (as specified previously above) is a Toshiba TS-802LA but that should not be relevant as the behaviors is the same whether the HD-DVD is in the drive or it's ISO (ripped from AnyHDDVD) is mounted (by VirtualCloneDrive).

I don't think the drive is significant because my HD-DVD problems are manifest both with the original HD-DVD disc itself and with the ISO I ripped of it from AnyDVDHD.

As far as system requirements are concerned, I think I meet or exceed them. I have:

* Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2180 @2GHz (4GHz)
* 3 GB Memory
* > 7 TB disk space
* GeForce 9500 GT (1GB memory) dual DVI
* SigmaTel HD Audio using Optical SPDIF

Again, remember, PDVD7.3 works flawlessly ... if only it played HD-DVDs.

* Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2180 @2GHz (4GHz) Kinda' creaky, no?
* 3 GB Memory Try 4. More is always better, and it's cheap.
* > 7 TB disk space Holy Cow, Batman! That's fun.
* GeForce 9500 GT (1GB memory) dual DVI
* SigmaTel HD Audio using Optical SPDIF

jaja, I also think your system meets the recommended requirements. If you have a 32-bit operating system then 3GB is about all the RAM you can access anyway. (I think the RAM + video RAM must be less than 4GB.) A 64-bit OS on proper hardware would allow lots more RAM but not needed here. Suppose a stronger Core2Duo would help but not necessary.

The computer is just over a year old and was marketted as an HD Media Center PC. I bought it from Gateway in May 2008. I know that upgrading will always work but my specs should be more than sufficient.

I will happily try 4GB. Why not, right? Where can I get it cheap without paying through the nose from gateway.com?

I have a sneaky feeling that my problem is the sound card. The only difference between PDVD7.3 and PDVD9 is that 7.3 is limited to 2-channel audio. When I listen to PDVD7.3 movies, it sure feels like DTS as I am experiencing all the sound effects from all angles. However, because PDVD9 and WinDVD9 didn't work, I cannot make any sort of comparison.

Newegg.com usually has sales on RAM and is a good place to deal with. DDR2 is very cheap these days.

But we posted about the same time so if you missed my post, make sure you have a 64-bit OS if you want to increase from 3GB.

I have a sneaky feeling that my problem is the sound card. The only difference between PDVD7.3 and PDVD9 is that 7.3 is limited to 2-channel audio. When I listen to PDVD7.3 movies, it sure feels like DTS as I am experiencing all the sound effects from all angles. However, because PDVD9 and WinDVD9 didn't work, I cannot make any sort of comparison.My PowerDVD 7.3 OEM has six-channel as an option. (I use the S/PDIF.)

My Powerdvd 4617 OEM is also 6 channel. I use SPDIF.

:( For each of my HD-DVDs, MKV gives me the following error:

VC-1 video stream without TFCNTR information is not supported, sorry. Few HD-DVDs use it anyway.
Failed to decode audio/video data for title #1 - invalid mux or internal error, title skipped.
Failed to open disc

These HD-DVDs all play in WinDVD9 but it is choppy. I am just looking for a player which will play my HD-DVDs as nicely as PowerDVD7.3 plays my Blu-Rays.


If you want to make a MKV out of a HD DVD let me know, I'll post the process.

I have 2-channel, you have 6-channel ...
mine plays Blu-Rays, his plays HD-DVD ...

What exactly does 7.3 mean when CyberLink obsiously has many different sub-versions of version 7.3?

The sound coming from PDVD7.3 into my home theater system certainly sounds like 5.1 but PDVD help clearly states the output is only 2-chan. Also, PDVD itself scrolls the words "PowerDVD BD 2CH" in the player window.

If you want to make a MKV out of a HD DVD let me know, I'll post the process.

I've seen the process but it doesn't work as it seems to require Nero.

[v01] Getting "Haali Matroska Muxer" instance failed. <ERROR>
Aborted at file position 1048576. <ERROR>

I have 2-channel, you have 6-channel ...
mine plays Blu-Rays, his plays HD-DVD ...

What exactly does 7.3 mean when CyberLink obsiously has many different sub-versions of version 7.3?

The sound coming from PDVD7.3 into my home theater system certainly sounds like 5.1 but PDVD help clearly states the output is only 2-chan. Also, PDVD itself scrolls the words "PowerDVD BD 2CH" in the player window.
I think some of the OEM versions were originally two-channel but they can be patched to six-channel.

I think some of the OEM versions were originally two-channel but they can be patched to six-channel.

I know you're trying to help but saying that something "can" be done is a lot different than actually demonstrating how to do it.

It is easy for me to say that time travel is possible but we all know that I cannot prove it.

I've seen the process but it doesn't work as it seems to require Nero.

[v01] Getting "Haali Matroska Muxer" instance failed. <ERROR>
Aborted at file position 1048576. <ERROR>

It doesn't require Nero :)

You need

Avisynth
ffdshow
Haali
AnyDVD HD
Cyberlink PDVD Ultra 7.3.3319A
EVODemuxer
TSMuxer GUI
and the tutorial suggest Ripbot, I personally do not, I would suggest MeGUI. While it is a little bit more complicated to get used to, the results are ALWAYS better, as you have way more control over more x264 settings.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1032872528

The process is kind of long, BUT it works 100%.

I know you're trying to help but saying that something "can" be done is a lot different than actually demonstrating how to do it.

It is easy for me to say that time travel is possible but we all know that I cannot prove it.
You download the patch from Cyberlink and install it. After the installation, your two-channel is six-channel. Look in the configuration audio options channels drop-down and see if six-channel is present.

Unless I'm mistaken, most folks won't need six-channel anyways, because they're using S/PDIF.

I know you're trying to help but saying that something "can" be done is a lot different than actually demonstrating how to do it.

It is easy for me to say that time travel is possible but we all know that I cannot prove it.
Are you using Windows 7, Vista, or XP? I have successfully played back HD-DVDs under the first two. If you're using XP, you might want to try downloading and installing the free Windows 7 trial.

Also, there's the matter of hardware. If you're really serious about HD-DVD and you have a regular desktop system, you might consider replacing your optical drive with the LG combo unit.

Again, Windows 7 sounds like trial and error troubleshooting. It will likely create more support issues than it solves. Why not just say "buy a new computer, HDTV, and home theater system and see if that does the trick"?

Note earlier in this post the fact that the toshiba drive already works for me and I've already ripped some of my HD-DVDs to ISO ... so the drive is irrelevant.

Again, Windows 7 sounds like trial and error troubleshooting. It will likely create more support issues than it solves. Why not just say "buy a new computer, HDTV, and home theater system and see if that does the trick"?

Note earlier in this post the fact that the toshiba drive already works for me and I've already ripped some of my HD-DVDs to ISO ... so the drive is irrelevant.

Which operating system are you using? XP, or Vista?

Hasta la Vista baby

Hasta la Vista baby

Attitude!

I finally got to watch my Eagles HD-DVD (2 audio streams, DTS and PCM). Keep in mind that this is a proof-of-concept and that I am still looking for a REAL solution. Here's what I did.

* I used eac3to to combine the 3 EVOs which comprise the main concert (CONCERT_PT1_1, CONCERT_PT1_2, and CONCERT_PT2) into EAGLES.EVO. This process took 45 minutes.

* I used tsMuxerGUI to "mux" the EAGLES.EVO into EAGLES.m2ts. This took almost 2 hours. All I used was "m2ts muxing". tsMuxerGUI indicates that the PCM stream was omitted and if only shows VC-1 and DTS in the "tracks" section.

* I can play EAGLES.m2ts with PDVD7.3 but there is no audio.

* I can play EAGLES.m2ts with 321 MPCHT but the video is extremely pixelated worse than any Monet painting.

* So, if I play EAGLES.m2ts with both PDVD and MPCHT simultaneously, I can watch and hear the concert. To sync the audio, I go back and forth between PDVD and MPCHT hitting and releasing pause until I manually get them in sync. This take 5-10 minutes every time I watch. I effectively lose any realistic ability to control playback (play, pause, rewind, forward, etc...).


FYI: This is a real pain. However, this clearly demonstrates that my hardware and Vista are certainly capable ot HD video and HD sound. The fact that PDVD plays Blu-Rays just fine demonstrates that my hardware and Vista are fully capable of doing BOTH at the same time.

If anyone thinks this is a hardware or Vista issue, please, please, please just keep it to yourself.

I only want input from people who know how I can use eac3to and/or tsMuxer correctly to generate a file which PDVD can play without sync issues.

If you're going to be ripping the HD DVD to a ts/m2ts, than I would just use MPC-Home Cinema to play it.

Follow that tutorial I posted, and instead of re-encoding ti, and putting it into a mkv container, stop there with the full size .m2ts, and play that. I guarantee it will work, I have done it a few times.

Why can't PDVD "see" the audio? (no reverse pun intended)

Why can't PDVD "see" the audio? (no reverse pun intended)

Codec misconfiguration/conflict?

what codecs are you using?

Not sure how to answer that ... Everything I know you know becasue I put everything I know in this thread.

I used eac3to (simple dos command) to "combine" three .EVOs into 1. Here is the log:

eac3to v3.16
command line: eac3to L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_2.EVO+ L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT2.EVO p:\videos\eagles.evo
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
"SongVideo"
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 29 chapters with names
3: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
4: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
Creating file "p:\videos\eagles.evo"...
Fixing EVO/VOB timestamps...
Video track 3 contains 295631 frames.
eac3to processing took 40 minutes, 26 seconds.
Done.

Then, I used tsMUXerGUI to "convert" the .EVO into a .m2ts file. tsMuxer shows that codecs VC-1 and DTS-HD were used.

MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --vbr --vbv-len=500
V_MS/VFW/WVC1, "P:\Videos\eagles.evo", fps=29.970, track=85
A_DTS, "P:\Videos\eagles.evo", track=137

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffallen/tsmuxer.jpg


I know that everything is in that .m2ts file becasue MPCHT can play the DTS-HD audio and PDVD7.3 can display the HD video.

Do you have ffdshow, and/or Haali installed? Install them and then see if MPC will play the video too.

I always wondered what it was for but ffdshow is, in fact, installed on my system. I'll try to update it and I'll get Haali too.

You'll want to make sure the MPC is using them in the options menu.

I don't see anywhere in the options menu where I can enable ffdshow except "External Filters". I added both ffdshow video filters but that didn't help the video at all.

I don't see anywhere in the options menu where I can enable ffdshow except "External Filters". I added both ffdshow video filters but that didn't help the video at all.

did you set it to prefered in the check boxes to the right?

"set merit" was checked for both but changing it to "prefer" had no effect. Still extreme pixellation.

"set merit" was checked for both but changing it to "prefer" had no effect. Still extreme pixellation.

Just for sh!ts and giggles, go to the tutorial I posted, and use the programs that are linked, follow it to the point where you have a .m2ts.

You should have Avisynth, you do have ffdshow, and Haali so...

1. Extract HD DVD with AnyDVD HD

2. Use EVODmuxer to trancode the .EVO into .MPA, and .MPV

3. Open TSMuxer to turn the .MPA and .MPV into a .m2ts

4. Then open the resulting .m2ts in TSMuxer and check the Tracks just to make sure it is correct, should have the video, audio, and maybe some subs tracks. At this time I would remove any extra audio tracks, and subs if you don't need them, and remux a pure .m2ts with nothing but the audio/video. Also, if it's a HD audio track, I'd use eac3to to strip it to the core 5.1 (unless you have the facilities to playback HD audio.

Hmmm... I tried that first with the smalest EVO and it didn't work. I'll try it again with this larger combined EVO.

EVOdemuxer is running now. However, it is not transcoding to .mpa and .mpv but, rather:

eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1

txMuxing to .m2ts now using .vc1 and the DTS .ddp (it couldn't handle the PCM .ddp).

FYI: here is the EVOdeMux output:

Opening file eagles.evo
Reading...
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
VOB number 1 contains 1 video and 2 audio streams.
PTM of first video frame = 00000D8F
PTM of last video frame = 34E9B859
Duration = 2:44:23.654
VC-1 video stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = 55
Profile = Advanced
Level = 3
Chroma Format = 4:2:0
Size = 1920x1080
Display size = 1920x1080
Aspect ratio = 1:1 (square samples)
Frame Rate = 23.976 (24000/1001)
DTS HD (DTS) audio stream 1 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = 89
PCM core samples = 32
PCM sample blocks = 16
Primary frame byte size = 2011
Channel arrangement = C + L + R + Ls + Rs
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Transmission bitrate = 1536 kbit/s
LFE channel = present (IF:64)
Encoder software rev. = 7, Current
Source PCM resolution = 24 bits
LPCM audio stream 0 found!
First PTS = 00000D8F
Substream id = A0
Number of frame headers = 9
First acces unit pointer = 0006
Emphasis = off, mute = off
Frame number = 1
Quantization length = 16 bits
Sampling frequency = 48 kHz
Number of audio channels = 2
Done.

3708 counted frames (0:02:34.654) in video stream 0.
236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.

HVA00001.VTI not found
Creating P:\videos\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1
Creating P:\videos\eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
Creating P:\videos\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
Opening file eagles.evo
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
Demuxing eagles.evo
Cancelled.
Done.

236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.
Checking new version...
You are using the latest version of EVOdemux.exe.

Creating P:\videos\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1
Creating P:\videos\eagles.LPCM.stream.00.ddp
Creating P:\videos\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp
Opening file eagles.evo
File size: 25763 Mbytes.
Demuxing eagles.evo
Done.

295666 counted frames (3:25:31.736) in video stream 0.
236491 calculated frames in video stream 0.

Weird. Does that Eagles have a DVD side? ro is it a pure HD DVD?

Pure HD-DVD. I have the DVD set too but it is broken up into two discs.

tsMuxer 30.3% done ... waiting ...

MUXOPT --no-pcr-on-video-pid --new-audio-pes --vbr --vbv-len=500
V_MS/VFW/WVC1, "P:\Videos\eagles.VC-1.stream.0.vc1", fps=29.970
A_DTS, "P:\Videos\eagles.DTSHD.stream.01.ddp"

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
VC-1 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding VC-1 stream (track 1): Profile: Advanced@3 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)

FYI: if this Eagles concert was available in Blu-Ray ... we would not be having this discussion...

Again, Windows 7 sounds like trial and error troubleshooting. It will likely create more support issues than it solves. Why not just say "buy a new computer, HDTV, and home theater system and see if that does the trick"?

Note earlier in this post the fact that the toshiba drive already works for me and I've already ripped some of my HD-DVDs to ISO ... so the drive is irrelevant.
The drive is relevant because many of us are using the LG combo, and experiencing flawless HD-DVD playback after a simple install and patch.

DONE!

SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net
VC-1 stream does not contain fps field. Muxing fps=29.97
Decoding VC-1 stream (track 1): Profile: Advanced@3 Resolution: 1920:1080i Frame rate: 29.97
Decoding DTS-HD stream (track 2): Bitrate: 1536Kbps core + MLP data.Sample Rate: 48KHz Channels: 5.1 (DTS Master Audio)
Processed 295631 video frames
Mux successful complete.
Muxing time: 65 min 11 sec

No improvement ... extreme pixellation! Here's a pic of my second favorite Eagle's song, "New Kid In Town". That's Don Henley on drums second from the left...

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffallen/nkit.jpg

I'd have to have a copy of this to try some things, apparently there's something different going on in this disc, or your system than what I am used to. I've not once had a failure using the method I posted.

The drive is relevant because many of us are using the LG combo, and experiencing flawless HD-DVD playback after a simple install and patch.

No offense but that is simply "silly" on several counts:

* I'm seeing the exact same behavior whether I'm using the HD-DVD in the drive or whether I'm using the ISO ripped by AnyDVDHD

* I've conclusively proven that my system can play the audio from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system can play the HD video from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system is cabable of playing HD content ... yes, audio and video simultaneously ... from Blu-Ray discs and ISOs

* Even if you're right, I politely asked anyone suspecting hardware issues to pipe down until we've explorered all software issues

DONE!



No improvement ... extreme pixellation! Here's a pic of my second favorite Eagle's song, "New Kid In Town". That's Don Henley on drums second from the left...

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffallen/nkit.jpg

I know you're frustrated. But I do appreciate this humor. Very funny. Very droll. Even if you didn't intend it to be.

I'd have to have a copy of this to try some things, apparently there's something different going on in this disc, or your system than what I am used to. I've not once had a failure using the method I posted.

I'm sure it's my software configuration. The .m2ts we made today will not play in PDVD7.3 unlike the one we made yesterday which played in beautiful HD ... without audio.

Do you have Anisynth installed?

Ladies and Gentlemen, the real Don Henley:

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffallen/henley.jpg

Brought to you silently by PDVD7.3 via eagles.m2ts made yesterday.

Why can PDVD7.3 see the video and not the audio for eagles.m2ts?

Why can TMCHT see the audio and not the video for eagles.m2ts?

I have installed over 20 programs in an attempt to see this concert in HD. Hopefully, AviSynth be the last one.

Where do I get it?

How do I use it?

This is funny. My optimal solution is to find a way to get PDVD7.3 to play sound. So googled "Powerdvd m2ts no sound".

My top result mentioned the KLite Codec Pack which I skeptically installed. Sure enough, it did not fix the PowerDVD audio problem.

Why is this funny? For S&G, I tried MPCHT. Remember, MPCHT had the opposite problem ... no video. After installing KLite to solve the audio problem in PDVD, I inadvertently solved the video problem in MPCHT ... EVERYTHING PLAYS !!! There is a slight audio sync but I can fix that with tsMuxer.

Strange.

This is getting ridiculous. Provided your hardware can handle it, you should need nothing else but a recent version of MPC-HC to play back the demuxed content. One thing you could try is to demux the disc into elementary streams to exclude any muxing problems. Try this:

eac3to <your list of EVOs here> 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac

If you want the best possible audio quality, make sure that you have TMT2 installed, so eac3to can use its superior DTS-HD codec. The resulting Matroska file will only contain the video. Now make sure that all the internal filters of MPC-HC are activated and open the MKV with it (it should find the FLAC file containing the audio automatically since the basename is the same). You should now get video and audio.

Nice try ...

P:\Videos\eac3to>eac3to p:\videos\eagles.evo 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
1: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
2: RAW/PCM, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
3: DTS Master Audio, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
This audio conversion is not supported.

Nice try ...:rolleyes: You know, I think you would get a lot more help if you were a bit less snippy and instead paid more attention to what the people trying to help you are saying. I wrote you should use your list of the original EVOs from the HD-DVD. Your "eagles.evo" is obviously already remuxed and has different stream numbers. Either you go back to the original files, or you use yours and change the streams in the eac3to command to 1 and 3 instead of 3 and 5.

If I can dish it out, I certainly can take it ... Well put!

However, I got that wonderful sound again...

P:\Videos\eac3to>eac3to L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+ L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 1:39:08
1: Joined EVO file
2: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
3: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
4: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
This audio conversion is not supported.

OK, there was an extraneous space in the command right before that 3rd EVO, I removed it an it's working now...

P:\Videos\eac3to>eac3to L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
"SongVideo"
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 29 chapters with names
3: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
4: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
a05 The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
v03 Extracting video track number 3...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
v03 Muxing video to Matroska...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
--

P:\Videos\eac3to>eac3to L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_1.EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT1_2.
EVO+L:\HVDVD_TS\CONCERT_PT2.EVO 3: eagles.mkv 5: eagles.flac
EVO, 1 video track, 2 audio tracks, 2:44:24
"SongVideo"
1: Joined EVO file
2: Chapters, 29 chapters with names
3: VC-1, 1080i60 /1.001 (16:9)
4: RAW/PCM, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 48khz
5: DTS Master Audio, English, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB
(core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz, dialnorm: -4dB)
a05 The ArcSoft and Sonic decoders don't seem to work, will use libav instead.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
v03 Extracting video track number 3...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
v03 Muxing video to Matroska...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
a05 Clipping detected, a 2nd pass will be necessary.
a05 Original audio track: max 32 bits, average 29 bits, most common 28 bits.
a05 The processed audio track has a constant bit depth of 24 bits.
a05 Audio has a gap of 273ms at playtime 1:39:08.
a05 The libav DTS decoder doesn't decode the full DTS-HD information.
a05 Starting 2nd pass...
a05 Extracting audio track number 5...
a05 Extracting DTS core...
a05 Removing DTS dialog normalization...
a05 Decoding with libav/ffmpeg...
a05 Remapping channels...
a05 Reducing depth from 64 to 24 bits...
a05 Encoding FLAC with libFlac...
a05 Realizing RAW/PCM gaps...
a05 Creating file "eagles.flac"...
a05 The processed audio track has a constant bit depth of 24 bits.
Added fps value to MKV header.
Video track 3 contains 295631 frames.
eac3to processing took 1 hour, 53 minutes.
Done.

The .flac file plays audio nicely in WimAmp. Sounds great.

The .mkv "plays" sharp HD Video in MPCHT. Unexpectedly, the audio is also there! Is that correct?

That audio though seems way out of sync. This might sound weird but the video seems to be progressing slower than the audio. I think it is getting more and more out of sync the longer I play through the concert. Sounds like a framerate issue?

FYI: MPCHT is really sluggish and I have very little control of the play bar in terms of play/pause/forward, etc... When I was finally able to move the slider, the audio disappeared. Again, this is probably due to the what I hope is a framerate issue but I will wait for your analysis while I go see Cirque Du Soliel in Newark!

No offense but that is simply "silly" on several counts:

* I'm seeing the exact same behavior whether I'm using the HD-DVD in the drive or whether I'm using the ISO ripped by AnyDVDHD

* I've conclusively proven that my system can play the audio from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system can play the HD video from this HD-DVD and it's respective ISO flawlessly

* I've proven conclusively that my system is cabable of playing HD content ... yes, audio and video simultaneously ... from Blu-Ray discs and ISOs

* Even if you're right, I politely asked anyone suspecting hardware issues to pipe down until we've explorered all software issues
The post wasn't silly; it was a good faith attempt to help from someone experienced in Blu-ray and HD-DVD playback who has seen that not all hardware and software is compatible with this purpose.

That being said, I wish you luck and leave you be.

I've played and played around with various settings but I can't seem to make a video that plays without an av sync issue. I can't tell if the issue is an av sync issue or a framerate issue. When I play the video, it appears as if it's going the right speed but the audio is about 30 to 60 seconds behind.

We're very close to solving this. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?

Ahah! The video is definately going slower than the audio.

First of all, how can I verify that the demuxing went as expected?

Secondly, how can I mux all this properly?

I have similar problem that Cyberlink Version 7.3 with patch won't play HD-DVD, but will play BlueRay flawlessely. I will try some of the process described in this thread to convert 7 HD-DVD I got from Amazon to other format, and stop wasting my time to get HD-DVD work with the Cyberlink.

You may not get much help here as the stock answer seems to be "upgrade hardware" despite the fact that your Blu-Rays play flawlessly like mine.

You see, "upgrade hardware" works 100% of the time. Why mess with a good thing, right?

I've tried using several different software packages without any real luck.

Hardware setup is: Phenom II 720, Radeon 4850x2, 4 gigs RAM, RealTek onboard audio, xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on.

PowerDVD 7.3 was able to play all of my HD-DVD flicks but had a very bad audio sync problem that I could not find a way to fix (bad lip syncing).

I downloaded the trial version of Total Media Theater 3 and it will recognize that an HD-DVD was inserted but it gives no audio or video playback. It just shows a black screen with small artifacts, no option I tried would fix this.

My other option is try out winDVD 9 plus blu-ray. I have heard generally negative comments about this software but if it works at all it may be my only option outside of Nero 8 with showtime plug-in.

Could anyone provide feedback on the efficacy of these programs or possible solutions to the above problems? It's a shame to have such solid HTPC hardware but not be able to find software that works.

(Note: the 360 HD-DVD works without a hitch when hooked up to the 360 directly, but I have an old Pro model with no HDMI so I can't get 1080p out of it).

The .flac file plays audio nicely in WimAmp. Sounds great.

The .mkv "plays" sharp HD Video in MPCHT. Unexpectedly, the audio is also there! Is that correct?

That audio though seems way out of sync. This might sound weird but the video seems to be progressing slower than the audio. I think it is getting more and more out of sync the longer I play through the concert. Sounds like a framerate issue?

FYI: MPCHT is really sluggish and I have very little control of the play bar in terms of play/pause/forward, etc... When I was finally able to move the slider, the audio disappeared. Again, this is probably due to the what I hope is a framerate issue but I will wait for your analysis while I go see Cirque Du Soliel in Newark!

Check into the log file for a mention of a delay. You can use that to resync your audio. You can check the "hd to mkv..." thread in the hd software section. It's a tutorial on how to use eac3to and has a lot of info that can be applied to your case.