First, Thanks to Big M for the name :D;)

Well the day is finaly here. The theater build starts tomorrow with the bar build following in 2.5 weeks.

Just finished cleaning the basement and wiring for 7.1 Surround.

Here's the Equipment list,

Carada 118 Inch Diagonal Precision Series Projection Screen - 1.78 to 1 Brilliant White
Epson 6100
Pioneer Elite Receiver
Monster Power Managment
Monster THX speakers for front 3
Mids and rears are in ceiling Paradigms
Sony Blue Ray player
High Deffinition Box
X-Box 360
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0113.jpg
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Speakers ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0076.jpg


Instead of Theater seating I went with a custom made couch. It's done and will be delivered third week of August.

Screen Wall will be the one on the right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Picture001-1.jpg

Bar Area against back wall.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0340.jpg

Equipment rack will be tucked in around that corner.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0339.jpg



So framing starts tomorrow. I will be posting pictures daily this week.

PLEASE if you see something done wrong tell me. I've got the guys here for 2 weeks. I don't know much about construction. Ok well maybe a little but please let me know if you want a close up picture, if you think something is wrong etc.

I look forward to getting through this next month and then it's showtime and NFL time ;)

So bd, where are you located and what's the story behind the name 'ammo dump'?

Paul

Live just outside of Toronto, Ontario. The Ammo dump comes from having to relocate all of my gun safes to accommodate the theater.

well you've come to the right place.
Lots of experienced eyes will check it out.
Just post progress photos often and you'll get plenty of comments.
Good Luck!

Paul

Thanks, been lurking for a long time. Was waiting to get my new house to build it. Let the basement dry out for 2 winters and here we are. Build time!!

Excellent...

A build in my neck of the woods. :)

So are you in the GTA, or further out..? I'm hoping your North of T.O. I can't stand driving the 401 and I'm looking forward to the future meet...:D

West End Near Hamilton. More than welcome to swing by when it's done.

I was working out the Oakville area for a couple of years...

Some very nice residential areas in that Burlington/Oakville stretch of the QEW.

I did my trade schooling in Stoney Creek. I can't say that I miss that drive... lol...especially on the bike when crossing the Skyway.

Look forward to following your build.

All the material was just delivered. Off to the basement. Let's see what we can get done today.

Both, using a contractor for 50% or so. Father in law coming in from LA in two weeks to help me finish it off. Lunch break.

The material arrives. 7:30am Drop off.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0359.jpg

9 Hours later: 85% of the framing is done.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0368-1.jpg

Back Wall = Bar area
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0369-1.jpg

Front wall:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0372.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0366.jpg

Equipment Closet Front:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0371.jpg

Equipment Closet Side: There will be a 1/2 door here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0374.jpg

I am tired and going to drink beer while you comment. Hopefully it's Ok...have at 'er

The material arrives. 7:30am Drop off.


I am tired and going to drink beer while you comment. Hopefully it's Ok...have at 'er


Looking good. For my own education - how do know if you should have a vapor barrier. Is there any concern with trapping moisture between that vapor barrier and the concrete?

Ya got some good insulation for the theater area. Can't wait to get the screen up!!

Tomorrow will be finishing the frame, pot lights and electrical maybe insulation depending how fast we move.

I'm assuming nobody sees anything wrong so far?

broconne, thank you for repeating all the pictures I didn't see them the first time.

broconne, thank you for repeating all the pictures I didn't see them the first time.

lol :)

broconne, thank you for repeating all the pictures I didn't see them the first time.


What - are you on a 9600 baud modem? heh..

reply fixed.

No I'm on my wifes dell laptop and I hate the built in control pad, I'm getting a blister on my finger dragging down the pages.

No I'm on my wifes dell laptop and I hate the built in control pad, I'm getting a blister on my finger dragging down the pages.

I sometimes use the little EeePC my bank sent me - you should try it on one of those little things...talk about annoying!

Well day 2 is just about done. I've got some odds and ends to fix up tonight but here are the progress shots before I have dinner and a beer ;)

Framing is 100% done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0376.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0377.jpg

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The conduit from the projector area to the Equipment Cabinet is in and wires run.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0379.jpg

Power for the equipment rack/closet

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0380.jpg

Electrical boxes are in and mostly wired. Electrical is 65% done all wiring is in. Just need to mount the pot lights in the morning.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0382.jpg

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Plumbing is set up for the wet bar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0381.jpg



Thanks for all the good feedback. I will update again tomorrow.

Well day 2 is just about done. I've got some odds and ends to fix up tonight but here are the progress shots before I have dinner and a beer ;)


Electrical boxes are in and mostly wired. Electrical is 65% done all wiring is in. Just need to mount the pot lights in the morning.


Thanks for all the good feedback. I will update again tomorrow.


Okay, I'll bite. Pot lights ?? I know our gracious friends to the north are more liberal than some of us down here in the US. Never dawned on me to move my pot plants into the theater. Does the bass help them grow faster ?

No comments on today? I'm guessing nobody sees anything wrong?.

Wow those houses are close together. My god. jesus. Nice looking houses though.

Okay, I'll bite. Pot lights ?? I know our gracious friends to the north are more liberal than some of us down here in the US. Never dawned on me to move my pot plants into the theater. Does the bass help them grow faster ?

...really..?

Pot light = Can light

http://www.potlight.ca/ (the second hit when googling "pot light")

bdoyle13: Only comment I'll make is based on your method for the wiring entering the boxes. I suggest...(seeing as you have a good deal of extra within the boxes themselves) that you pull back a little out of the box, like you did for the yellow 20A circuit. It won't make a difference now, and may never will, but I can say having that little bit of slack that you can pull back into the box if repairs are needed, is worth the extra few moments of effort.

Great work ... a build close to where I am. What are the dimensions of your HT? I didn't see it mentioned.

ps. a Mattamy home? looks like their lot signs in front of the houses.

I'm assuming nobody sees anything wrong so far?

i do.. being in the same geographical area (Brampton for me) I can tell you a few code violations already and some bad idea's.


1. Steel bottom plate, big no no. that sucker will rust in 1 year's time. ATLEAST put a sill gasket underneath it. It's 4-6" wide foam roll that seperates concrete and whatever. Best case, use this foam and Pressure Treated 2x4 for the bottom plate.

2. That speaker wire is NOT in-wall rated. If it catches fire your insurance company could dismiss your claim.

3. That bag insulation on the wall should come down and it be PROPERLY insulated like an above ground wall. Code is ashphalt paper on the wall, pink fibreglass on all exterior walls and 4mil vapour barrier over it all, taped and sealed all around. Another method of insulating can be seen in my build thread (see signature below).

looks good though..

I also like the waste hot water recovery ;) nice touch!!

i do.. being in the same geographical area (Brampton for me) I can tell you a few code violations already and some bad idea's.


1. Steel bottom plate, big no no. that sucker will rust in 1 year's time. ATLEAST put a sill gasket underneath it. It's 4-6" wide foam roll that seperates concrete and whatever. Best case, use this foam and Pressure Treated 2x4 for the bottom plate.

2. That speaker wire is NOT in-wall rated. If it catches fire your insurance company could dismiss your claim.

3. That bag insulation on the wall should come down and it be PROPERLY insulated like an above ground wall. Code is ashphalt paper on the wall, pink fibreglass on all exterior walls and 4mil vapour barrier over it all, taped and sealed all around. Another method of insulating can be seen in my build thread (see signature below).

looks good though..

How can you tell the speaker wire is not in wall rated? I've never heard of speaker wire catching fire..?

It's not bag insulation. The wall is insulated 4 feet off the ground with a vapour barrier covering it. It passed code 2 years ago when the house was built. Why would there be a problem with it?

Thanks for the info looking forward to answers.

So, are we going to get to see a floor plan before it is all done, or are we going to have to work from the one Big drew one up for you? :p

EDIT: I guess I should include a link to Big's post with picture (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15841617&postcount=46)

3. That bag insulation on the wall should come down and it be PROPERLY insulated like an above ground wall. Code is ashphalt paper on the wall, pink fibreglass on all exterior walls and 4mil vapour barrier over it all, taped and sealed all around. Another method of insulating can be seen in my build thread (see signature below).

It's not bag insulation. The wall is insulated 4 feet off the ground with a vapour barrier covering it. It passed code 2 years ago when the house was built. Why would there be a problem with it?

I believe that it's properly insulated for an unfinished area. Standard building practices in Ontario seems to have the insulation only covering the foundation wall down to the frost line.

Once the area is "rezoned" as finished living space, the requirements change.

How can you tell the speaker wire is not in wall rated? I've never heard of speaker wire catching fire..?

It's not bag insulation. The wall is insulated 4 feet off the ground with a vapour barrier covering it. It passed code 2 years ago when the house was built. Why would there be a problem with it?

Thanks for the info looking forward to answers.

Because in-wall rated wire has a PVC jacket on it. It would look more like Cat5e wiring instead of that clear speaker wire. Well, if a fire starts somewhere, the speaker wire catches and it spreads like crazy on the speaker wire, your insurance might not be valid. Wire is cheap (check out http://www.monoprice.com)


that IS a bag insulation. it pass 2 years ago as an UNFINISHED basement. if you insulate infront of it and vapour barrier the whole wall you will get a double VB situation and get moisture. It's also the cheapest, crappiest method. you should tare it all out (except the white spray foam in the joist cavaties) and insulate using the roxul you have, cover the whole thing with plastic and you're good.


my words of advice. STOP. continue reading on building practices (this might not be the right site for you for basic DIY) before you go further.

I believe that it's properly insulated for an unfinished area. Standard building practices in Ontario seems to have the insulation only covering the foundation wall down to the frost line.

Once the area is "rezoned" as finished living space, the requirements change.

Correct. once it becomes finished space you must insulate the full height. and this cannot be properly done w/o tearing down the diaper builders call insulation put on basement walls in ontario


take note how thick it is in the middle. now go to 2-3" from the bottom and check. thin as hell, how do you expect that to insulate?

also it's not very well sealed to the wall is it? moist air will get up there, it will find a cold spot on the wall near the top and condense, turning into water and eventually creating mould.

Thanks Mike P, although I'm not tearing it all down to insulate the last 4 feet. Today I finished most of the drywall.

I'm not worried about fire as the insulation I got is sound prrof and fire prrof. I watched a demo where the guy help a blow torch to the insulation I've put in the ceiling and it didn't go up. Plus as of last nigt I would have had to start tearing down drywall on the ceiling to re-wire.

It may not be exactly to code and I thank-you for trying to stop me but it's already drywalled. I'm not loosing a days work now.

I'm not insulating in front of the vapour barrier.

I've done the entire ceiling in a non flamable and sound proof(hopefully) insulation. I'm not worried about heat down there as it stays pretty warm in the winter already and I"m laying carpet.


Beerparty,

I've changed the layout. I haven't scanned one into the comp yet as I am to tired ;) I will see if I can get one up next week when I have a few days off from the basement.

THanks

all I can do is try ;)

Thanks Mike P, although I'm not tearing it all down to insulate the last 4 feet. Today I finished most of the drywall.

I'm not worried about fire as the insulation I got is sound prrof and fire prrof. I watched a demo where the guy help a blow torch to the insulation I've put in the ceiling and it didn't go up. Plus as of last nigt I would have had to start tearing down drywall on the ceiling to re-wire.

It may not be exactly to code and I thank-you for trying to stop me but it's already drywalled. I'm not loosing a days work now.

I'm not insulating in front of the vapour barrier.

I've done the entire ceiling in a non flamable and sound proof(hopefully) insulation. I'm not worried about heat down there as it stays pretty warm in the winter already and I"m laying carpet.


THanks

I like your OP

"PLEASE PLEASE if you see something done wrong tell me. I've got the guys here for 2 weeks. I know jack **** about construction. Ok well maybe a little but please let me know if you want a close up picture, if you think something is wrong etc."

I've seen a lot of people on this forum start threads asking for help and then as soon as they receive it, from very intelligent people, they proceed to argue and disregard that sound advise.

I'm not sure what causes it...stubborness...a need to jump the gun out of impatience and then a lack of willingness to fix errors? I don't know.

In any case...you've made some mistakes. Another one is believing that safe'n'sound is "sound proof". That's been proven to be crap. I would recommend not planning on an expensive sound system, least ways being able to turn it up.

The people on this forum that have very successful builds are the ones to take things slow. The ones that ask a question and then wait for the flow of answers before moving ahead. Many times there is a concensus on which way to go and not listening to that mass agreement would seem crazy to me.

You will likely lose interest in your thread from some very key players if you continue on that path.

That said I hope that the build continues to meet your satisfaction and you do indeed enjoy the end result. :)

wait, you hired a contractor to build this and THEY did those things wrong???

:eek:


if this is the case, you need to ask them about the things i've mentioned. if they say its fine... :mad:

Well, if a fire starts somewhere, the speaker wire catches and it spreads like crazy on the speaker wire, your insurance might not be valid.


I've actually done some experimenting with both in-wall rated and unrated speaker cable (Scraps) and my blow torch. I couldn't tell the difference in the way they burned and neither propagated flame longitudinally "like crazy".

IMHO a bigger problem I've seen here in the basements turned theaters is the lack of adherence to fire-stopping code. Wall cavities communication with ceiling joist spaces and soffits framed before the walls and ceiling are drywalled are the common mistakes which will allow fires to spread faster.

I like your OP

"PLEASE PLEASE if you see something done wrong tell me. I've got the guys here for 2 weeks. I know jack **** about construction. Ok well maybe a little but please let me know if you want a close up picture, if you think something is wrong etc."

I've seen a lot of people on this forum start threads asking for help and then as soon as they receive it, from very intelligent people, they proceed to argue and disregard that sound advise.

I'm not sure what causes it...stubborness...a need to jump the gun out of impatience and then a lack of willingness to fix errors? I don't know.

In any case...you've made some mistakes. Another one is believing that safe'n'sound is "sound proof". That's been proven to be crap. I would recommend not planning on an expensive sound system, least ways being able to turn it up.

The people on this forum that have very successful builds are the ones to take things slow. The ones that ask a question and then wait for the flow of answers before moving ahead. Many times there is a concensus on which way to go and not listening to that mass agreement would seem crazy to me.

You will likely lose interest in your thread from some very key players if you continue on that path.

That said I hope that the build continues to meet your satisfaction and you do indeed enjoy the end result. :)


Whoa, slow down a little Jd,

I do appriciate any advice I get, but when the framing is up and the drywall already being put in place you can't expect me to throw away $1,000 in wood another $300 in metal and some drywall and start over from scratch.

Some people may think Safe 'n sound is "crap" as ou say but my brother did his basement with it and I think it's great on the noise.

Why would I not invest in an expensive sound system? I've alrady purchased it anyways. The house is over 2100sq/ft it will be 3000 when the basement is done. It's only my wife and I so I can crank up the stereo / HT whenever. I already make the house shake with my living room system.

You seem to be upset that I didn't rip up the framing. I'm sorry if it's pissed you off but I can't stop everything on stage 4 and go back to stage 1.

wait, you hired a contractor to build this and THEY did those things wrong???

:eek:


if this is the case, you need to ask them about the things i've mentioned. if they say its fine... :mad:

I will be talking to them today.

Hey,

What town are you in? I think my sister lives around there. Houses look familiar.

Hey,

What town are you in? I think my sister lives around there. Houses look familiar.

Just outside of Hamilton.


MikeP and Jd,

I think the Safe 'n sound insultaion is a preference for some and some don't like it. So no big deal. I've read many positive reviews on the material.
I've done the entire ceiling with it so it should be quite enough. My brother did only the area over the theater area and it is still fine. However I think he should have done the entire thing as some sound does spill out.

With regards to the steel framing on the floor. The contractor advises it is galvanized metal framing. He also advises that if it rusts 20 years he'll come back and replace it. The only concern with rusting would be if there is a flood.

So is the metal framing a prference over wood?

Whoa, slow down a little Jd,

I do appriciate any advice I get, but when the framing is up and the drywall already being put in place you can't expect me to throw away $1,000 in wood another $300 in metal and some drywall and start over from scratch.

Some people may think Safe 'n sound is "crap" as ou say but my brother did his basement with it and I think it's great on the noise.

Why would I not invest in an expensive sound system? I've alrady purchased it anyways. The house is over 2100sq/ft it will be 3000 when the basement is done. It's only my wife and I so I can crank up the stereo / HT whenever. I already make the house shake with my living room system.

You seem to be upset that I didn't rip up the framing. I'm sorry if it's pissed you off but I can't stop everything on stage 4 and go back to stage 1.



I will be talking to them today.


On the contrary, I'm not mad at you at all. I simply think if you began a thread for advice that you should not have moved to stage four before you had taken all the advice for stage one. You're right, it is too late now. This is a very valuable spot to learn and get advice...there are very smart and talented individuals that spend a lot of time on this thread helping people. The unfortunate thing is that when OP's begin to make their own calls on everything they lose the original support they could have had.

By 'crap' I mean that the marketing scheme for Safe'N'Sound is crap. It's been proven that it does very little beyond the regular pink in terms of isolation. It's just a ploy to make you spend more money. Any insulation in the ceiling is going to help (depending on your standards). Most people don't have any insulation in the floor joists, and that's likely the reason you notice a difference at your brothers.

The reason I said not to invest in an expensive system is because it is generally viewed as pointless to have an expensive system and not take the proper steps to isolate and treat the sound in a room. "Shaking the house" is not the idea for those with high taste in audio.

Again not ticked off at you, but I don't see the point in these threads that pop up asking for help and then jump the gun on things. Like the bottom plates, like the wall insulation, like the speaker wire, like the safe'n'sound. The code recommendations really should not be overlooked, however, and your contractor should know better...and as such he should have to fix those things at his expense.

I will lay off on the critique though - because it does sound like you are looking more for a regular room with a big screen than what many people here look at as a dedicated theatre. If you aren't an audiophile and are more of a picture guy - that's fine. Each to his own.

After doing some searching on AVS I've found some theaters are done completely with metal framing and no wood studs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1059029&highlight=

There are 3 pages of responses and not one person complained about the metal framing.

Don't get me wrong I do want advice but I'm talking about about things like: Holy **** positive and negative can't touch your gonna blow your house up!:eek::eek:

If it is a preference please let me know that it is your preference or you would recomend something. Scaring the **** out of me saying the metal will rust out in one year is a little crazy. :rolleyes:

Thanks Jd,

Just read your response as I typed the last one.

Ya it's not a dedicated home theater ie: enclosed theater only.

It is a long room with a bar at one end and screen at the other. I though I had posted that in this thread but it may have been in the design thread Big M was helping me with.

I do appriciate the advice 100% The only problem is I can't wait days in between posts to have the contractor start up again. If I could I would but he's on a schedule so I'm kind of stuck. That's why I'm doing daily pictures in hopes that if something major is F'ed up that I can call him on it.

THANKS

With all that being said here's a few shots from this morning.

Sorry the pictures aren't the best today as it was dark and I hadn't plugged in the lights yet. ;)

So yesterday,

Drywall going up. Got a lot of the ceiling done.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0015.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0018.jpg


Finished running pipe and wires to equipment closet.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0020.jpg

Got the holes made for the in ceiling speakers and pot lights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0017.jpg

Thanks Jd,

Just read your response as I typed the last one.

Ya it's not a dedicated home theater ie: enclosed theater only.

It is a long room with a bar at one end and screen at the other. I though I had posted that in this thread but it may have been in the design thread Big M was helping me with.

I do appriciate the advice 100% The only problem is I can't wait days in between posts to have the contractor start up again. If I could I would but he's on a schedule so I'm kind of stuck. That's why I'm doing daily pictures in hopes that if something major is F'ed up that I can call him on it.

THANKS

No worries then. It must have been in the other thread.

I'm understanding the thing with the contractor - it can be much easier for us that DIY to twiddle our thumbs. Of course the guy I got to help with my family room only showed up 1/4 of the time, so it didn't matter with him either. Then I fired him and did the rest myself anyway, lol.

1/4 of the time? Nice I'd fire him to.

These guys have been great, good references and they do all the Home Depot and RONA installs for my area.

They've been here everyday at 8am and don't stop till 4:30pm I don't know when the eat. Enough computer this morning I'm supposed to be helping. ;)

Off to the basement.

Just outside of Hamilton.
With regards to the steel framing on the floor. The contractor advises it is galvanized metal framing. He also advises that if it rusts 20 years he'll come back and replace it. The only concern with rusting would be if there is a flood.

So is the metal framing a prference over wood?


citing a DIY home theatre forum is not the best place to get sound construction advice IMO. Especially when you consider geographical differences.

http://forum.canadianwoodworking.com/showthread.php?t=24081

simple google search will reveal that in our climate, its not a good idea to have steel or non-PT lumber in direct contact with concrete. ESPECIALLY new concrete which is still curing. I have steel in my basement for my bulkheads simply because its straigher.



For the record, i have no problem w/ Roxul SnS. I actually lined my entire ceiling with it, and I'm in a townhouse! :)


Make sure you get that in writing from your contractor about the replacement in 20 years (my guess would be less than 5 though). Also I can tell there is no building permit (and thats ok), but they would have told you the same things as I am now.

I've actually done some experimenting with both in-wall rated and unrated speaker cable (Scraps) and my blow torch. I couldn't tell the difference in the way they burned and neither propagated flame longitudinally "like crazy".

IMHO a bigger problem I've seen here in the basements turned theaters is the lack of adherence to fire-stopping code. Wall cavities communication with ceiling joist spaces and soffits framed before the walls and ceiling are drywalled are the common mistakes which will allow fires to spread faster.


I think it also has something to do with the fumes. Code requires CL2 rated wiring in my area, for the price, i'll stick with it.

So in this picture where there is no insulation within the 2X4's ... is it going to stay that way & you drywall over it leaving that 3.5" cavity empty ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0015.jpg

I've been putting safe 'n sound along the bottom as we go. Still have some left over.

Can I stuff it around the main HVAC area? I didn't put any on top of the main one and I have enough to go from the outer wall to the furnace. Is this Ok to do?

Todays update. Lots of pictures.

Walking down stairs. Front room/work out area.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0107.jpg

Turn left and small alcove with hallway.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0112.jpg

End of hall looking right.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0113-1.jpg

Screen Wall
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Deathakiss/Home%20Theater/DSC_0114-1.jpg

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Back wall, Bar area
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Equipment closet / Rack
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Left to right shots,

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Ceiling holes for speakers
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Coming down the stairs.
All pot lights wired. Mudding taping sanding done. Also primed the ceiling today.

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Hallway mudded taped sanded. Doors in for storage and heater rooms.
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Installed remote (IR) light controls so I can control it with my Logitech 1000 remote control. No more getting up to turn down the lights ;) Didn't dish out for the graffix eye

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More progress shots. As you can see all lights are in and working. Everything sanded, muded and, taped. Going to prime it tomorrow.

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Got some more work done on the equipment cabinet. Started making the shelving units with MDF board.

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Got some more work done on the equipment cabinet. Started making the shelving units with MDF board.

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you might want to consider using the double hook style (see my thread) for strength. you will be putting A LOT of weight on those. They are available at Lowes for sure (thats where i got mine) and probably Home Depot and Rona.

Thanks Mike I will check out your thread now.


EDIT::::

Maybe I missed it but do you have a close up of your rack stuff?

If you mean by double hook, a hook in one slot and then about 2 down another hook in on the same arm?

If so that's what I'm using as well. If not I need to know. Thanks

I missed this before. There is generally nothing wrong with using metal framing in contact with concrete. IT is galvanized to resist corrosion. you can even get framing made for wet areas that has an extra thick galvanizing on it. I have used it to build a commercial car wash. Pretty much 95% of all commercial buildings use metal framing and it is always in direct contact with the cocrete, even in basements.

The reason for not allowing standard cables in a wall does much more to do with fumes in a fire rather if they burst into flames more easily. When normal cables burn they can release poisonous fumes and melt away, leaving gaps for hot gasses to move to another stud bay or area. The CL2 cables have thinner jackets that met less and release release less fumes. Plenum rated cables are even less still. Most likely you will be fine with standard speaker cable in the wall since you will not have a fire, but you are more at risk for issues if you do have a fire so it is always best to do it right from the beginning. I agree that many times, people do not use fire caulk on their holes and that can help quite a bit in a fire. The Fire Caulk is available in most home improvement stores for $5 a tube.

As far as insulation, defnitely do not do a double vapor barrier, but there is nothing wrong with removing the existing vapor barrier and then placing insulation up the entire wall, including the concrete and covering that with a vapor barrier. In fact, this will help get better insulation in the previously insulated areas due to covering any bad areas or gaps. This is the same principal as rolling out batts perpendicular to the attic joists after installing batts in the joist bays. It works even better than one set of batts in the bays, but double the thickness. As long as the vapor barrier is as close as possible to the habitable area you should be fine.

Of course, you or your contractor should always talk to your local building official to be sure about anything you do.

I've actually done some experimenting with both in-wall rated and unrated speaker cable (Scraps) and my blow torch. I couldn't tell the difference in the way they burned and neither propagated flame longitudinally "like crazy".

IMHO a bigger problem I've seen here in the basements turned theaters is the lack of adherence to fire-stopping code. Wall cavities communication with ceiling joist spaces and soffits framed before the walls and ceiling are drywalled are the common mistakes which will allow fires to spread faster.

It has nothing to do with your tests.
If perhaps one does have a fire in your home, and non rated wire (either speaker or otherwise), is in place, this gives the insurance companies the leverage to not pay for anything since the negligence was on the homeowner. If you needed a permit to finish your basement, then that means you would have needed inspections and the inspector would have, most likely, told you or the contractor to remove all the non in-wall rated wire.

It is very inexpensive to do this change while you could have, but it can still be accomplished cheaply before you paint. My advise would be to do this so everything is up to code.

As for the insulation, being Canadian, I would have removed the insulation from where it was, or removing the existing vapor barrier, and placing it between the studs and placing new vapor barrier between the studs and drywall. Coating the concrete foundation with a moisture proof material would also prevent possible water or moisture from making its way inside behind the wall where mold grows like wildfire. This would also give you better R factor and noise stoppage.
Remember, nothing stops noise like mass.
In the least, I would decouple the subwoofer from the floor so the vibrations do not go throughout the house and adjacent nieghbors.

Thanks for the advice guys. There is deffinitely not 2 vapour barriers. My contractor had advised me about this as well with regards to moisture and mold.


Ok, I got 3 hours sleep but all of the construction is done. I have only the screen wall and ceiling to Prime. Everything else is primed and ready to go.

I'll probably prime the last wall and ceiling on Saturday. I did them at seperate times 'cause I'm using a regular prmier on the walls but for the screen wall and the ceiling I'm using a primer with a grey tinge as I was reading that this is better when painting the area black.

Schedule, hopefully.

Bar construction starts on Sunday.

Paint August 13/14

Equipment and screen install and calibration August 16/17

Carpet delivery and install August 21

Baseboards Installed and Couch Delivery August 22

August 23 and on......who knows touch up and finalize.

Here's today's shots. It's a little picture heavy today but now that all the garbage is cleaned up and I moved the work out gear out of the way.

Next update will probably be Tues/Wed next week when there is more progress on the bar.

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Oh well, to each his own.

Oh well, too each his own.

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I'm not worried about fire as the insulation I got is sound prrof and fire prrof. I watched a demo where the guy help a blow torch to the insulation I've put in the ceiling and it didn't go up. Plus as of last nigt I would have had to start tearing down drywall on the ceiling to re-wire.

It may not be exactly to code and I thank-you for trying to stop me but it's already drywalled. I'm not loosing a days work now.


Why would you have to tear down the drywall?
Did you staple the speaker wire? If you did, you shouldn't have.
If not, then using the existing speaker wire to pull new rated wire should be easy.

Just because the insulation can't catch fire, doesn't mean everything else will not.
Remember, wire is a conductor for heat.
A rated wire and jacket will resist the burning for a longer period of time than a non rated wire and jacket. If you have a fire, the wire will spread the fire faster and give the occupants less time to get out. There are building codes for a reason, not following them leaves you liable for your own family, home and possessions.

Don't be stupid and think that it will never happen to you, it can happen to anyone. I wouldn't put my own family at risk for 1 day of work.

Remember what Mike Holmes says, "do it right the first time".

I didn't staple it down so I guess I could pull it through. It's certainly something I can look at doing even in a month or two when I get another $200.

I don't think things will never happen to me. Trust me I work in front line emergency service and I know what can happen.

Like I said, to each his own.

Thanks Mike I will check out your thread now.


EDIT::::

Maybe I missed it but do you have a close up of your rack stuff?

If you mean by double hook, a hook in one slot and then about 2 down another hook in on the same arm?

If so that's what I'm using as well. If not I need to know. Thanks


not a close up perse, but look at the top of the right support. see the double (side by side) slots?

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Mike,

I see now. Side by side slots. I will take a look at home depot Sunday and see how wide they are. Thanks

Ok boys, Got some more pictures. Been working my and my friend and father in laws ass off.

So here we go....

Got the outlets for speakers in.
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Random shots of the room to show off color scheme, progress and qeuipment rack.

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Co-worker ;)
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Speakers are in!

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Holy ****, wiring nightmare.

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Up goes the projector, yup it's a wife beater. Deal with it.

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****ing X-box update

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Organizing the rack, still have work to do.

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Up goes the screen!!

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The ladder is Six feet tall. Trying to give it some scale for you.
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Bar shots.


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More detailed pics tomorrow. Time for some sleep!!:cop:

I didn't see it (sorry if I missed it) what IR lights did you get and from where?

Thanks!

Lutron IR lights. Picked them up at home depot for $45 each.

oh geez, the cardinal sin!!! you installed the projector BEFORE the project is complete, now, nothing will get done. :P

Lutron IR lights. Picked them up at home depot for $45 each.

Thanks!

looks good so far man. i like that your screen is huge. it is a pet peeve of mine when people have super nice dedicated HTs with (well, relatively speaking at least) small screens :)

I know, I have no inspiration to do anything else now. Lucky for me my father in law is here to make me work. ;)

I love the screen. Can't wait till the carpet is in and I can start doing the audio properly.

I got a question on the bar - you guys making that from scratch? You buy plans or just make them yourself?

Don't your studs need to be 16" on center???

Making the bar from scratch. Father in law is building it while I help with the smaller parts.

Ok latest updated pictures. Not a ton of noticible stuff butt a lot of little things that needed to be done plus tons of work on the bar.


More mouldings for the bar.

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Bar shots. (With flash color is off)
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New cabinet put together. All Dvd downstairs.

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Sink in. Top storage and mouldings in.

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Now, no flash so you get a better idea on colors.
Equipment Box

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Bar.

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More to come over the next few days. Bar has to be done Wed night as carpet coming Thursday.

Making the bar from scratch. Father in law is building it while I help with the smaller parts.

K - Thanks - obviously more skilled than I am :)

Build looks great, but I have to ask...Does the guy in the white shirt realize that the guy in the striped shirt is about to give him a "check-up"? :eek: :D

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Curious
where did you buy the mouldings and the Cabinets for the bar?

The cabinets are base cabinets from Ikea.

All of the mouldings are from Home Depot, Rona, Lowes and a custom framing shop near Toronto. It took quite a while to get all the mouldings together but I think it's paying off. I'll be posting more photos tomorrow.

Hopefully we should be staining the bar on Thursday/Friday and a final coat Saturday for the top of the bar.

Just came up for food. Back to work. We are putting in around 12-14 hours a day on this and it's coming together nicely. I think.

Lots of long hours but here we go.

Just did the big clean up. So this is how it's going to look over the next few months until we find some good posters / frames etc.

So here are some semi-final shots before wall stuff.

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Just a cheap shot to give it some scale.
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Thanks for looking. Hope you like it.

Wow--looks great. My favorite part is the drum set in the alcove. My room doubles (when it is finally finished) as a jam/recording room as well. Very nice work.

Thanks, for a minute I though nobody could see my posts ;)

the final look is really nice... now turn off that hallway light and take more screen shots!!! :)

I'll take some more shots this week.

Congrats! Looks fantastic!! I just went back through the thread again to see what the panel was on the left of your rack, great idea for an access panel for hook ups and wiring!

Is that Foo Fighters live at Arrow Hall?

Wow didn't realize it had been this long. Some quick updates shots

LOL at the old thread warning.

Quick apology some pics are blurry because I don't know where the tri pod is.


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From stairs looking down hall. TV has been added to work out area with hidden DVD player


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Autographs on walls down hallway

and.. in to theater area

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All poster are matted and mounted

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468 DVDs and Blu Ray

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Booze, yes it's blurry

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Beer and Mix

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The following I turned the flas on to show the detail of the wood work

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The bar looks like it turned out very nice

This is a kick a$$ space my friend. I really like how the bar and the above storage turned out. It makes me want to re-configure some things with my bar. Great job

now THATS a bar!!! Its cool that you put an HT in your bar ;) Sweet space man, i love the ambiance. Great work