Just watched Ep 9, and, WOW. This was the equivalent to Dollhouse Ep 6. Up until now the show was OK, but not great. This is the episode that made it great.

Ep 9 was on P2P sites an hour after it aired in Canada.

It's well-seeded, too. Far better than I would have expected, which really speaks to the cult status this show started to attain.

It's well-seeded, too. Far better than I would have expected, which really speaks to the cult status this show started to attain.

Agreed.....& the big shots at ABC have too much EGO to accept that they goofed up on this show big big time

On the contrary, ABC very clearly accepted the reality of the situation. Without knowing how much, or how little, they paid for the series, it is impossible to say that it was a "goof". By the time ABC bought the series, it was so far through production that it is likely that it was heavily discounted. They might have paid a lot less than you think, and so the risk they took by putting what they clear figured was a long-shot (as evidenced by how they scheduled its episodes) was well within reasonable limits.

I have to agree that it's the best episode yet! I had a hunch that they were searching for the other betas, and that there was a link to the mars mission. I thought that beta came from mars though as a stow-away, but this is a little more interesting.

I wonder why Jen couldn't see beta, and now I'm wondering if beta can see her? Maybe she has no guilt or conscience...perhaps she'll be able to see the other objects? If beta communicates through guilt, maybe the others will tap into joy, fear, hate, happiness, sadness, anger, love, etc...The other guy could see it, but didn't experience any guilty hallucinations. Maybe Jen is just evil LOL. Perhaps these objects are being collected to be brought back to judge humanity? Why were they separated to begin with? I fear we'll never know....sigh

I think the one on mars (alpha) reversed Donner's vasectomy because he came back and got Zoe pregnant--but maybe it was beta?

caught the episode on www.casttv.com if anyone interested in watching it.. I agree with above posters, best eppy yet..Too bad its not making the grade inratings..

Episode 10 doesn't appear to be scheduled (http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/tvlist/CFTOtvlist.html) for this week, and the DG show page (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/show/CTVShows/20090706/DefyingGravity-default/) on the CTV web site hasn't been updated. :(

Episode 10 doesn't appear to be scheduled (http://www.ctv.ca/generic/generated/tvlist/CFTOtvlist.html) for this week, and the DG show page (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/show/CTVShows/20090706/DefyingGravity-default/) on the CTV web site hasn't been updated. :(

I read that it has moved to the Space Network (http://www.spacecast.com/Schedule.aspx?fldate=9/25/2009%2012:00:00%20AM) up here in Canada on Friday nights. The schedule says Friday is a repeat of Episode 9, though. Unfortunately, Canada's Space Network is SD only, and has the worst video quality transmission of any channel - virtually unwatchable on my big screen.

I think you guys should be using spoiler tags as most here have not seen Ep 9, and ABC, might possibly, air it in the future.

Besides, the Ep 9 some of us have seen is clearly copyrighted material, so a bit of discretion would be advisable.

I think you guys should be using spoiler tags as most here have not seen Ep 9, and ABC, might possibly, air it in the future.

Besides, the Ep 9 some of us have seen is clearly copyrighted material, so a bit of discretion would be advisable.

My thinking exactly. It hasn't aired in the US so spoilers shouldn't be posted without spoiler brackets.

i think you guys should be using spoiler tags as most here have not seen ep 9, and abc, might possibly, air it in the future.

Besides, the ep 9 some of us have seen is clearly copyrighted material, so a bit of discretion would be advisable.+1.

Anybody know of an online version in at least SD (720X480) and preferably in HD, versus the above 1/4 SD resolution online versions?

Spoiler tags added. If anyone doesn't know how to do this, PM me.

My thinking exactly. It hasn't aired in the US so spoilers shouldn't be posted without spoiler brackets.

So much for the borderless internet!!!

Borderless internet vs common courtesy.

Around here, courtesy wins, eh? :D

I read that it has moved to the Space Network (http://www.spacecast.com/Schedule.aspx?fldate=9/25/2009%2012:00:00%20AM) up here in Canada on Friday nights. The schedule says Friday is a repeat of Episode 9, though. Unfortunately, Canada's Space Network is SD only, and has the worst video quality transmission of any channel - virtually unwatchable on my big screen.

Well, it's better than nothing, IMO.

Ep. 10 appears to be scheduled (http://www.spacecast.com/Schedule.aspx?fldate=10/2/2009%2012:00:00%20AM) on October 2.

Ep. 10 appears to be scheduled on October 2.

I find this to be good news!
It is bound to show up on the net somewhere.

Borderless internet vs common courtesy.

Around here, courtesy wins, eh? :D

Yeah, unless of course you guys see a show first! ;)

Yeah, unless of course you guys see a show first! ;)

LOL I was thinking the same thing, but the title of this thread does say "on ABC HD"....so, that being the case, I can live with the tags--but I encourage everyone to find episode 9 just in case ABC doesn't work it back into their schedule...trust us, if you like this show even just a little bit, you'll definitely want to see it.

I would like to thank the posters here. Without you I would not have known where to see the latest (and future remaining) episodes. I certainly would not have learned via ABC. Perhaps we can change the title of this thread to just "Defying Gravity" ommiting "on ABC" just as ABC has ommited the show.

Thanks again!

I would like to thank the posters here. Without you I would not have known where to see the latest (and future remaining) episodes. I certainly would not have learned via ABC. Perhaps we can change the title of this thread to just "Defying Gravity" ommiting "on ABC" just as ABC has ommited the show.

Thanks again!

2nd that.....the mods needs to change the title & drop ABC HD from the title.

Actually, they don't need to do a thing. ABC still owns their share of the property and they just might show the remaining episodes in the future. Just because many of us have watched the unaired episode doesn't mean that the unwashed might not be able to see it later on ABC. For us to talk about what we have seen would just kill it for the rest.

2nd that.....the mods needs to change the title & drop ABC HD from the title.

You could always start a spoilers thread, something like "Defying Gravity on ABC, CTV and Space Network *SPOILERS*"

#9 was a great episode. I cannot believe that ABC stopped at Episode #8.

For those of you with persistence, you can find an online version of Episode #9 in 720p with commercials edited out. With the proper player on your PC you can connect to your HDTV and persuade it to play. I used a PC input and a VGA connection, so I had to play the sound seperately on a pair of PC speakers.

Playing it on my broadband-connected HD TiVo would have been even better, but I could not figure that one out.

Actually, they don't need to do a thing. ABC still owns their share of the property and they just might show the remaining episodes in the future. Just because many of us have watched the unaired episode doesn't mean that the unwashed might not be able to see it later on ABC. For us to talk about what we have seen would just kill it for the rest.

I think spoiler tags are fine where appropriate as a courtesy to others. But for a show not even planned for broadcast in the USA this year I can't get very excited about it or worried about folks with email alerts that show spoiler content.

To me a show once a show is publicly broadcast then it is sort of fair game for discussion since the discussion itself has a shelf life as fresh news and loses value rapidly as time passes. And anyone still following the show has probably found some way to view the newer episodes.

But again, I'll of course go with the moderators and the consensus here at AVS about discussion rules.

- Tom

I've been following some of the CTV forums, and it appears that the network (like ABC) has shelved plans to air any further episodes of the show. They indicated they might reschedule them at some undisclosed future date. Any hope for a second season is certainly dead. However, CTV's satellite "Space" channel will air the remaing episodes on Fridays beginning October 2nd. For those of us willing and able to download from bittorent sites, we can only hope at least one Canadian uploader has the channel and will do so.

Episode 9 was very good and sent the series in a great, new direction. I doubt spoiler tags in this thread mean anything. ABC will never broadcast the remaining episodes.

You obviously haven't seen The Forgotten, yet. :)

Glad I checked here, I wondered what happened to the show, my DVR auto record had shown zero episodes in the queue. I found episode 9 on the news groups. Great episode, finally the secret was revealed. There are a total of 13 episodes scheduled to air on CTV.

http://epguides.com/DefyingGravity/

To me, this show was a prime example of how utterly clueless networks are about how to market sci-fi. Whoever had the brilliant idea to try and sell it as "Gray's Anatomy in space" should be taken out back and beaten.

1. The word "space" will immediately turn off most of the market they're targeting by linking it to Gray's Anatomy.

2. Saying the show is anything like Gray's Anatomy will immediately disinterest the sci-fi fans that would normally make up the core audience of the show.

If they had any clue whatsoever, they would have talked up the huge mystery aspect and sold it as more of a Lost-type show.

1. The word "space" will immediately turn off most of the market they're targeting by linking it to Gray's Anatomy.Why? Because people who care about provocative workplace relationships can't possibly be interested in space?

2. Saying the show is anything like Gray's Anatomy will immediately disinterest the sci-fi fans that would normally make up the core audience of the show.Only if you get to unilaterally dictate what the intended "core audience" of the show is supposed to be. Generally, though, one viewer doesn't have that distinction.

I normally wouldn't reply to someone who's name actually contains the word "bicker", since that seems to indicate the intent of the poster. However...

A show, set in the future, about a pioneering mission in space, which includes a mysterious - possibly alien - entity communicating with the crew telepathically... You're right. The sci-fi fans definitely wouldn't make up the core audience.

No no no, Aro. Your assertion was that the people who would make up the "core audience" was, specifically, people who have an "immediately disinterest" in "anything like Gray's Anatomy". That's what you wrote. You claimed that core audience for Defying Gravity would be people who don't like Grey's Anatomy. Ludicrous. And that's why I pointed out how ridiculous your assertion was.

Yes, I'm sure sci-fi fans are overall quite fond of Gray's Anatomy.

You don't happen to be one of the said network marketing execs, do you? That would explain a lot...

It is indefensible to jump to the conclusion you have, that someone must be working for or with the people you're condemning because they disagree with your attacks on them. No, I have nothing to do with any of those companies except as you are, a consumer of their services. I just think what you've said about them in your attacks is wrong.

And your implication is backwards: Your errors were: (1) asserting that people who like Grey's Anatomy could not possible enjoy fiction set in space, and (2) asserting that people who like fiction set is space could not possible enjoy Grey's Anatomy. The existence of the folks who did enjoy Defying Gravity very much, as it was presented, for what it was (including, most notably, my wife), belie your assertions.

Aro and Bicker1, calm down or take it off-line by exchanging email addresses. We don't need this non-sense here.

Anybody know of an online version in at least SD (720X480) and preferably in HD, versus the above 1/4 SD resolution online versions?

Available via iTunes for the AppleTV in HD

(1) asserting that people who like Grey's Anatomy could not possible enjoy fiction set in space

IMHO pretty much true. Daughter loves Grey's and won't watch a Space anything.

(2) asserting that people who like fiction set is space could not possible enjoy Grey's Anatomy.

Well yea, I can't stand soaps like Grey's Anatomy. Bleech. Yet I quite enjoyed the space opera Battlestar Galactica.

Aro and Bicker1, calm down or take it off-line by exchanging email addresses. We don't need this non-sense here.Agreed.

PM is fine.

I think this sums up how ABC feels about sci-fi stuff, they are only going to air 4 episodes of V and then yank it! I don't even know why they bother.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/09/v-in-trouble-again-expect.php

I think this sums up how ABC feels about sci-fi stuff, they are only going to air 4 episodes of V and then yank it! I don't even know why they bother.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/09/v-in-trouble-again-expect.php

That's 'cause they know they've got Morena Baccarin to pull everybody back after the hiatus. ;)

I think this sums up how ABC feels about sci-fi stuff, they are only going to air 4 episodes of V and then yank it! I don't even know why they bother.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/09/v-in-trouble-again-expect.php

With V, it seems ABC is trying to schedule it around some of the big ratings competition:

"In waiting until March to resume "V," network insiders noted that they wanted to avoid the January "American Idol" juggernaut and the Winter Olympics in February. "

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009212.html?categoryId=14&cs=1

I've been following some of the CTV forums, and it appears that the network (like ABC) has shelved plans to air any further episodes of the show. They indicated they might reschedule them at some undisclosed future date. Any hope for a second season is certainly dead. However, CTV's satellite "Space" channel will air the remaing episodes on Fridays beginning October 2nd. For those of us willing and able to download from bittorent sites, we can only hope at least one Canadian uploader has the channel and will do so.

Crap! At least I got to see ep. 9 which left me a little less "hanging".

Are there any other links that I could watch Ep 9? Nothing I do works .... Help need to see what happens ......

This is where I watched episode 9 a couple weeks ago. Just checked and still working.

http://www.casttv.com/shows/defying-gravity

Nix that request - just watched it! This show was just too good for network TV. Only a matter of time for network TV to become a thing of the past.

Schedule for the remaining 4 episodes on Space (in Canada):

10/02: 1x10 Deja Vu
10/09: 1x11 Solitary
10/16: 1x12 Venus
10/23: 1x13 Kiss

8pm eastern.

Schedule for the remaining 4 episodes on Space (in Canada):

10/02: 1x10 Deja Vu
10/09: 1x11 Solitary
10/16: 1x12 Venus
10/23: 1x13 Kiss

8pm eastern.

Hope it can be found on the internet

;)

I found it on Vuze, some nice person in Canada posted it.

I found it on Vuze, some nice person in Canada posted it.

Tonight's episode, already?

If anyone has found 1x10, can you please share or PM me?

I've looked around, haven't seen it anywhere yet.

Neither have I.

Argh :(

Not anywhere obvious on news groups. :(

- Tom

It's a mythical episode that only exists in title. :)

There's a 9 minute clip on YouTube

Check out some of the p2p search engines - I just found it. Am downloading it now.

Finished downloading. As someone pointed out earlier, the "space" channel is not high def. The resolution of the download is definitely poorer, but still watchable.

Check out some of the p2p search engines - I just found it. Am downloading it now.

So are more people than I've EVER seen!

The marketing idiots who think that their advertising-based model reflects reality need to pull their heads out or take their place on the trash heap of history.

So are more people than I've EVER seen!

The marketing idiots who think that their advertising-based model reflects reality need to pull their heads out or take their place on the trash heap of history.

I noticed that as well. This is actually the best-seeded one I've seen so far.

yaaaaay! I promised a friend I'd wait until we had all 5 and watch them together, so I am really glad it turned up. Hopefully the next few will as well.

Excellent ep! It just keeps on getting better!

Excellent ep! It just keeps on getting better!

Indeed. The show keeps getting better.

But I am now seriously pi$$ed they canceled this show. The best available quality download I could find this week still was a pretty bad quality low-rez xvid.

I have no problem with looking for an Internet download after ABC nastily canceled this fine show. But at least last week I could find a decent 720p version. It seems a shame we have to finish it with versions of comprised quality. All the trouble they went to to make the darn thing and then we have to download it from another country in fuzz vision. :(

- Tom

Will check out the episode later to see why everyone is excited. Man....hope ABC sees that some of the guys who were behind this show cancellation gets fired.

Where did anyone read that ABC officially canceled the show? I have read ABC has not made any move yet on it.

http://www.scificool.com/is-defying-gravity-canceled-or-isnt-it-abc-answers/

You are correct, Gary.

Interesting quote from that article, which is written by a sci-fi fan.

I never really gave Defying Gravity a shot, mostly because the concept of Grey’s Anatomy In Space made me want to barf. I have no use for Grey’s Anatomy, so any offshoot of it, well, ain’t that tempting.

They haven't, but as this show is following the same pattern as Eli Stone, Pushing Daisies, Dirty Sexy Money and probably Men in Trees, that pattern being waiting 6 mos or more just to burn off the few(5 in this case) episodes that are left, and the fact that no pickup announcement has been made, which would have come already if there was a snowball's chance, yeah, I'd bet a substantial amount of money that this show is dead and buried as far as renewal goes.

CTV itself has moved it from their main network and are airing the remaining eps on what looks to be a cablenet.

It could also be that ABC is prevented from making an announcement about cancellation to protect viewership where the show is still airing and/or hasn't aired yet.

Any number of reasons as to why they haven't announced it, but based on recent history I think it's a heavy dose of wishful thinking to expect any more than the already "in the can" 5 episodes. My guess is that if ABC does air them, it will be sometime next summer, and frankly, in my case, since our northern neighbor is airing them already, I'm going to watch them now rather than wait for ABC to air what's left of a likely canceled series 9 mos from now.

...and the hunt begins again....

...and the hunt begins again....
"Space" (Canada) is showing episode 11 at noon, Saturday (10/10/09).
It won't show up until this evening at the soonest.

"Space" (Canada) is showing episode 11 at noon, Saturday (10/10/09).
It won't show up until this evening at the soonest.It's already showing up on the news groups:

Defying Gravity - S01E11 - Solitary [XviD] (yEnc) [01/27] - Defying.Gravity.S01E11.Solitary.XviD.SDTV.par2

*update*
Post is complete and working.

Good grief, whoever decided usenet was a good way to distribute files larger than ~5 mb needs their head examined....

Good grief, whoever decided usenet was a good way to distribute files larger than ~5 mb needs their head examined....

Is this sarcasm or are you complaining about a medium you don't know how to use?

Is this sarcasm or are you complaining about a medium you don't know how to use?

Solid! You wait 3 years to make your first post, and this is what you come up with? :rolleyes:

Is this sarcasm or are you complaining about a medium you don't know how to use?

I know how to use it. I just find it to be a gigantic pain in the butt compared to pretty much any other method of downloading a large file.

I know how to use it. I just find it to be a gigantic pain in the butt compared to pretty much any other method of downloading a large file.

I really don't think it's a pain in the butt... load an nzb file and newsreader does everything else for you... it's actually the easiest way, and what's downloaded is less likely to be tracked compared to torrents or IRC etc...

Where did anyone read that ABC officially canceled the show? I have read ABC has not made any move yet on it. [/url]

I don't think ABC ever intended to air the entire series this summer. This show wasn't produced by ABC, and was not part of their development slate. It was originally just going to air in Canada and other international markets. It was was well into shooting and post production before ABC decided to pick it up as summer filler. They decided to buy it just a few weeks before the first episode aired (which is why there was so little promotion). Deciding to air the whole thing continuously would have screwed up their established plans for the fall season premieres. At best, if the show did well enough to pick up for a 2nd season, they would have aired the remaining shows from first season as part of that block. That option may still be on the table.

I don't think ABC ever intended to air the entire series this summer.Yes, that is correct.

Episodes 10 and 11 are kind of treading water after the significant plot advances in Episode 9.

It seems to me that before the extra 5 episodes finish,there is time to retrieve Gamma from Venus and have some kind of dramatic incident for the season cliffhanger.

FYI, episode 12 is available on the news groups:

Defying Gravity - S01E12 - Venus [XviD] (yEnc) [01/27] - Defying Gravity - 112 Venus.par2 (1/1)

FYI, episode 12 is available on the news groups:
It's up in some of the "usual places" also.

As for ep 11 - Solitary - it had way too much Soap Opera and too little Science Fiction for me. (which means Jane and Joe Mainstream would have loved it)

If you are so inclined, "Merlin" (S2) and "The Sarah Jane Adventures" (S3) have started up in the UK and there is a "Monty Python" special on IFC on the 18th.

caught ep. 11 on the reliable www.casttv.com .. I agree with above poster, looked like a soap opera in space..

Just finished watching ep. 12, and it is awesome, I loved every minute of it.

Just finished watching ep. 12, and it is awesome, I loved every minute of it.

I agree.

caught ep. 11 on the reliable www.casttv.com .. I agree with above poster, looked like a soap opera in space..

Thanks for the casttv link taxman!
Just got done watching episodes 10 -11 & 12!!!
Episode 12 was great and would love to see the outcome of this.

Great episode, the helmet shots reminded me of 2001 Space Odessy.. All episodes are available on castv.com as well as "Behind the Scenes" feature..

This is one of the best scifi shows that I have watched in a great long time. What a shame it won't be continued.

Well, tonite's the night for what is probably the final episode, entitled "Kiss".

I don't suppose anybody's heard anything positive about a second season?

Apparently the set has been completely torn down and tossed (http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/10/22/set-visits-reveal-ghosts-of-defying-gravity-set-destruction/). Obviously not a good sign.

is anybody here refusing to watch online and still waiting for ABC to show the remaining episodes? If so, why?...or maybe waiting for the bluray because it's not worth watching if it's not HD?...just curious--considering this thread is still titled with "ABC".

is anybody here refusing to watch online and still waiting for ABC to show the remaining episodes? If so, why?...or maybe waiting for the bluray because it's not worth watching if it's not HD?...just curious--considering this thread is still titled with "ABC".I did not hold out. I don't want some huge gap in my head and then I forget the details of the show. I remember when ABC broadcast Lost and then the show had a few months gap, I had a hard tracking what was going on. When ABC decides to air the first 4 episodes of V and then shelf it I may just do the opposite and download the first set and sit on it until the rest of the show airs.

Defying Gravity is a good show. I can't say it's the best sci-fi TV I have ever seen but considering what's on these days it's pretty top notch. I was really upset when I found out they pulled it. Thank you to the Internet for alternatives.

Meanwhile I'm dying to see the final episode, and it has been over 12 hours and nobody has posted a copy of S01E13, the series finale. I'm starting to suspect that it was never broadcast.

It's out there. It's a pretty good episode, too. I'm sad it's over.

Try Mininova...

Meanwhile I'm dying to see the final episode, and it has been over 12 hours and nobody has posted a copy of S01E13, the series finale. I'm starting to suspect that it was never broadcast.Episode 13 was posted on the newsgroups last night. It was a great episode. I guess it's another series that is not going to be picked up. I just wish they would give these series a final episode to sum things up.

Try Mininova...

Try Vuze, I just downloaded it.:)

That was a pretty great episode, and I am really sad that the series is gone. I thought the series had a slow start but was running on all cylinders the last few weeks and had the potential to be a fantastic series. i don't think the slow start was bad in terms of the storyline, it was good character development and good setup for important things down the road. What seemed to be trite throwaway 'grey's anatomy drama' side stories from the first part of the show had some good payoffs in the last few episodes. I'm sure the rest of the show would have continued upon that path.

Personally I understand why the show failed, but I am saddened by it, especially with the strength the show went out. (dramatically I mean, obviously)

just watched 13....sigh

it's almost enough to stop watching scifi type series on network tv. I have an idea for future serial scifi: tape at least 5 completely werapped up seasons worth of episodes before airing the pilot LOL.

what a great way to end the season. Dont know if this series will continue. 1 of the better series I have seen this year

I watched 11-13 over the weekend and have to say that a series which started as OK to good became very good: A rareity for TV programming in general today. In my view, ABC made three mistakes with DG. One, not showing the entire initial 13 episodes as a courtesy to their viewing audience if nothing else. Two, not offering another season-character development takes time. Three, not giving the show a chance in a better time slot.

Though I never sat in ABC's programming meetings, I suspect what happened here is that DG was never conceived as anything beyond summer filler and ABC programming decision makers stuck with this mindset without regard to the show's actual quality or reception by the public. My regret is that ABC has failed to react to the reality that they have a quality show in their portfolio with DG, whether it was expected or not. I don't know, if I were an ABC executive I would think this would be a good problem to have.

By the way, I'm not the only who feels this way. Have you seen the DG comments page at ABC (http://abc.go.com/shows/defying-gravity/episode-guide/fear/287840?page=1)?

What an excellent ep! and so much story to go foward with. I am so PO'd that they are not continuing this show. With all the @#$%^&* that they have on broadcast tv now this show is by far one of the best. It makes you want to give up on the networks altogether.

What an excellent ep! and so much story to go foward with. I am so PO'd that they are not continuing this show. With all the @#$%^&* that they have on broadcast tv now this show is by far one of the best. It makes you want to give up on the networks altogether.

Indeed a good finale. I will miss this show. Sadly I am used to all my fantasy sci/fi shows being canceled. I can hardly even rant about it anymore.

- Tom

Episode 13 displayed so much promise for SF fans. RIP, Defying Gravity.

Just finally spent the weekend watching all the episode back to back. To bad it got cancelled it was very good. Problem was that no one was watching it, at least in my circle of friends. I only checked it out because im a fan of Christina Cox.

Show showed so much promised. Which it would have ran for a full season. Oh well.

Is it me or did they seem to be hinting that
Nadia used to be a Man. I think that was her/his secert
Imagine if people/Donner found out sans 5 years later. Then again it is 2050ish

[QUOTE=Wytchone;17462245]Is it me or did they seem to be hinting that
[QUOTE]

I also thought abt that....but not tooo deaply....but it seems that way.

but whats the point now....since who knows when there will be another season

No point really other then I watched them all back to back Friday to Sunday and wanted to discuss it. None of my other friends saw DG :(

I must have missed the part where they hinted at that. What led you to that?

I must have missed the part where they hinted at that. What led you to that?

Well Naida vision is of a man. Each close up of it looks to be hear in a beard. I can't see it being a brother even a twin brother. Why not cast someone in the brothers place? First time I saw it I thought it was me but uding Kiss it clearly showed Nadia in a beard.

Is it me or did they seem to be hinting that
Nadia used to be a Man. I think that was her/his secert
Imagine if people/Donner found out sans 5 years later. Then again it is 2050ish

You should read this interview where creator James Parriott talks about how the show came together, and his intended season/series long story arcs.
http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/10/29/how-defying-gravity-would-have-progressed-straight-from-the-creator/
Spoilers there, of course, for those who've missed out on the remaining episodes.

Another interesting article. Contrary to bicker1's assertions, it appears the actual showrunner agrees with me:

Having the Grey's Anatomy tag probably hurt the show ultimately. But in terms of trying to sell the show, as sort of a quick pitch … for the buyers, it had to be ‘look, it’s a show in space, but it’s not a space show. This is a space show that’s going to attract women.

So, trying to attach it to Grey's Anatomy was solely for the benefit of network execs.

Thanks ever so much.

Close on Nadia but missed it. NICE

Finally was able to watch episode 13 on CastTV.
Even though ABC completely bailed on this I am happy I got to watch the few remaining episodes.

Finally was able to watch episode 13 on CastTV.
Even though ABC completely bailed on this I am happy I got to watch the few remaining episodes.

This helps show where the show was going. Helped me alot in reading it.

http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/10/29/how-defying-gravity-would-have-progressed-straight-from-the-creator/

This helps show where the show was going. Helped me alot in reading it.

http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/10/29/how-defying-gravity-would-have-progressed-straight-from-the-creator/

Thanks for the link as it was a good read.

Is it me or did they seem to be hinting that
Nadia used to be a Man. I think that was her/his secert
Imagine if people/Donner found out sans 5 years later. Then again it is 2050ish
I watched the last episode today and then read the article with the show creator and he confirmed your theory. But I can't recall her hallucination that eluded to this. Can someone tell me which episode and about what point in that episode it occurred in? Thanks.

I watched the last episode today and then read the article with the show creator and he confirmed your theory. But I can't recall her hallucination that eluded to this. Can someone tell me which episode and about what point in that episode it occurred in? Thanks.

Cant remember which episode but it was when Nadia first had her vision and they did a close up of what she saw.

Just finishing watch the 1st two DVD - Netflex-- This really a well done Sci-Fi.
It's two bad more people havn't seen it.
Look at al the Actors that have gone on to their own shows or are leads in others. Very impressive.
If you are into Scf-fi watch this very short series.
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Sci Fans seem to be fickle in the past years.
Lost of series killed off only to have crap replace it.
This show, Journeyman, SG:U are but a few that come to mind.

As I recall, most of the criticism of the show during its brief network run centered on the soapy-sudsy aspects of the plotline. My guess is they wrote it that way to try to attract a female audience not normally associated with sci-fi. But the effects were good, the cast was solid, and the Big Arc serialized storyline had inventiveness and punch.

DG had the potential to develop into a great TV show. Most of the show's fans never saw the last several episodes since they were never telecast. Well worth it to check out now that it's on Netflix.

Yes, it was another well-done show that was never watched, and disappeared with barely a whimper. I like it, a lot. I thought it had very good production values, and a great "look" but the ratings, they were horrendous.:(

Sci Fans seem to be fickle in the past years.
Lost of series killed off only to have crap replace it.
This show, Journeyman, SG:U are but a few that come to mind.

And in all three cases they take the share of the blame.

All three started out with barely a nod to science-fiction and wanted to exist as human dramas with slight science-fiction overtones. They didn't want to scare away the mainstream so aimed for them more than sci-fi fans. In doing so they alienated the genre audience. See also: Flash Forward

Journeyman and SGU became infinitely more interesting when they stopped aiming for the mainstream and started embracing their genre. You would be hard pressed to find anyone who watched to the end who didn't think those shows improved when that happened.

There's a lesson here. If you are a science-fiction show stop trying to pretend you are not just for ratings. Be honest about what you are and realistic about who you want to appeal to.

As I recall, most of the criticism of the show during its brief network run centered on the soapy-sudsy aspects of the plotline. My guess is they wrote it that way to try to attract a female audience not normally associated with sci-fi. ...
I took to hitting FF during almost all the scenes set back on Earth. (sometimes made for a short episode) The science fiction part was OK, the Soap Opera part -- not so much.

All three started out with barely a nod to science-fiction and wanted to exist as human dramas with slight science-fiction overtones.

I'm going to have to disagree with this, as regards SG:U. Yes, it wanted to focus more on the human drama, but it never shied away from its science fiction roots. Right from the beginning, they were on an alien space ship, trying to deal with alien technology and life forms, and hoping to survive by scrounging raw material from passing planets they reach via the Stargate.

It was as blatantly sci-fi Battlestar Galactica.

I'm going to have to disagree with this, as regards SG:U. Yes, it wanted to focus more on the human drama, but it never shied away from its science fiction roots.

Except in it's storylines.

They spent at least half the show just arguing amongst themselves based on some plot device in the first five minutes.

Take the desert planet for example. Thirty minutes of desert arguing and an occasional sighting of a weird alien thing. Back on the ship when systems failed the episode was spent arguing about who was in charge. When they had no plot device to argue about it was spent on Earth following adulterous wives etc. etc.

Contrast that with final season episodes battling space drones, alien species, other timeline Rush etc.

They ignored the concepts that make science-fiction and instead spent a large portion of the first season running through dramatic staples like alcoholism, pregnancy, love triangles, faction rivalries etc.

Imagination and creativity is what makes science-fiction excel. Without that you just have a dramatic series with characters who wear a different type of uniform than a cop.

SG:U-"ship when systems failed the episode was spent arguing about who was in charge"
That was what turn me OFF of SG:U..

Take the desert planet for example. Thirty minutes of desert arguing and an occasional sighting of a weird alien thing. Back on the ship when systems failed the episode was spent arguing about who was in charge. When they had no plot device to argue about it was spent on Earth following adulterous wives etc. etc.

My fast forward method developed for watching Defying Gravity helped me get through the extraneous stuff on SG:U also. (my media player has a programmable skip function)