Alright so ive been lurking and searching hardcore lately on this forum and other sites on which PLASMA to get, ive set my mind on a 50" G10, I decided to go to bestbuy to check how it looks right.. Looks good, clear, and then I looked at the corner of my right and BAM, my attention sparked on over to those new Samsung LED T.V.s .. It looked MORE clear than the G10.. and this made me stop and think lol wat just happened.. Now im on a boat and I can't find any information on these LED t.v. and how they compare to Plasmas but they sure are very clear and pretty.. Any suggestions??

Price don't matter to me much right now but what im mainly going to be using the T.V. is.. HD Movies, Xbox 360, and Multi-Tabling PokerStars, and maybe a little gaming on my laptop through HDMI.

my advice would be *take your time*. you might indeed end up going
with an led, or some other lcd, but i strongly advice against a snap decision. there are basically 3 reasons:
1) like a suit or a dress, a tv can look really impressive on first glance, but sometimes those flashy suits/dresses aren't really the ones you end up wanting to wear. if you can manage to spend at least 20 minutes really *watching* the various sets, you might be surprised by what you end up wanting to really own.
2) if you can manage it, figure some way to see the sets in their optimal state (i.e. blu ray movie, decent settings, etc); that way, you're really getting a fair comparison.
3) finally, if you end up going led, make sure to really shop around, as, for example, LG is supposed to have some bang-up sets on the market right now...

If you saw an LED edge-lit LCD and you like the picture better than a G10...:eek: I think you're crazy!
However, maybe you just like the 'look' of LCDs better. In which case I would tell you to look at getting a more conventional CCFL-lit LCD. Something like the Sammy B750 series. IMHO, edge-lit LED offers no real improvements over CCFL.
Now, if you saw something like an A950 which is a backlit LED LCD, that's a different story. I happen to really like their picture BUT I don't think they're twice as nice as a G10. Yet they cost, at least, twice as much.

Good luck.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-UE40B6000VW-LED-LCD-TV-Review.html

According to the review the samsung LED has less accurate colors or over process, and the back light is not even.

4Saken, I've been into a couple of Best Buy's myself and got to say that I think the Panasonic 50G10 is much nicer than that of the Samsung LED's. Sure design wise the Sammys look very sleek and stylish but the Panasonic IMO looks very impressive in its own right. I've been going back and forth in regards to go with a LCD or a Plasma and everytime I keep leaning towards the plasma. The two LCD's I've been interested in is the Samsung LN52B750 (not LED) and the upcoming Sharp LED backlit LE700 series. From the reviews I've seen and read, the LN52B750 is a beautiful set and has an excellent picture but off angle viewing can be an issue. Also "whites" are supposed to be better on a LCD vs. a Plasma.
The big advantage with a plasma, especially on the Panasonic G10 is that it can handle motion with ease and still keep the resolution in tact. Also off angle viewing is a non-issue because no matter where you sit the picture will still stay sharp and clear. Another big advantage is that there is no "soap opera effect" meaning that when you watch a movie (especially Blu-ray) it won't look like someone took a home video camera and started shooting the movie. Sometimes its a bit over-the-top and looks fake. Some people really like that look whereas some do not. The plasma on the other hand will just show it naturally. The one exception is that with the Samsung B750 LCD there are ways to adjust the AMP (which works with the 240hz) so that the SOE can be minimal or turned up.
For the price there is no question that the Panasonic 50G10 offers the best value out there. I'm actually leaning towards that one myself but again still want to check out the Sammy B750 and the new upcoming Sharp LED backlit series, the LE700 before making any decisions.

I do agree with your opinion on the G10 (I own a 42" G10), you said hd movies as your first use for the tv. Since price is not a matter, you may want to look at the V10 series, which is offered in 50". It has a screen refresh of 96hz which lets the blu-ray movie truly shine. Other than that and styling, it is mostly a G10 with more features and a Pro setting for really tuning in the picture.

Cnet offers many reviews of current and some older tv's. I frequent the site often. Check it out!

forget led its still a lcd. get plasma.
ps ill write later again its hard on ps3 with no keyboard

I was in BestBuy last night checking out the new Panasonic's as I plan on buying the soon to be released 65" V10,,,, anyhow I see a Pansonic 54V10 and while Im checking it out I happen to notice the new 55" LG LED set sitting right next to the V10, Wall-E was playing an both the sets and I gota say I was kinda shocked to see (in my opinion) the better picture and the blacker blacks the LG LED was puttng out over the Panny V10.

Sorry plasma ONLY lover's, but while the space scenes in Wall-E were playing, the the blacks on the LG LED reminded me of my recently sold 60" Pioneer Kuro, while the blacks on the Panny looked gray'ish compared to the LG.

I have never been a fan of LG but I gota say I was pretty impressed after watching both sets side by side.

Matter of fact I was so impressed I am now re-thinking getting the V10, and while the V10 is not off my shopping list I will say I have added the LG and Samsung LED's to that shopping list.

Yea, I know,,,, I should not be posting anything positive about LED on the plasma thread,,,, sorry I just get confussed sometimes as I own both plasma and LCD.

Cheers
Davyo

while the blacks on the Panny looked gray'ish compared to the LG.
I'm guessing they had the Brightness on the Panasonic too high...
The black levels on a plasma vs. an LED LCD should be comparable.
Personally, there's no way I'd spend $1000 more for an LG 55LH90 than I paid for my 54" G10. I don't think the LG's picture is even in the same league as the G10 (and yes, I too saw both of them side-by-side) and I, for sure, would not pay $1000 more for an inferior picture.
Again, IMHO, the Sammy A950s and the Sony XBR8 give plasma a run for the money. BUT at around twice the price...

But in the end, it's your money and your eyes. Get whatever looks best to you and get it as big as your wallet can handle.;)

Thanks for the input guys, I might check out the V10 and the G10 is really what im aiming towards.. Although Dave I know what you're talking about, I guess I rather save myself a grand to get another something nice :D.. I'll post later this week to see what I ended up getting.

If it wasn't for the off angle problems, I'd be all over one. But the off angle viewing is a deal breaker for me.

davyo, also, in BestBuy there is some ambient light, and that may hurt the plasma's picture. In a bright enviroment, the blacks on a lcd can look better than blacks on plasma. Big lcd's (esp. LED) just aren't cost efficient.

davyo, also, in BestBuy there is some ambient light, and that may hurt the plasma's picture. In a bright enviroment, the blacks on a lcd can look better than blacks on plasma. Big lcd's (esp. LED) just aren't cost efficient.

Actually the V10 and the LG LED were sitting side by side not in the BstBuy area but in a dimmly lit part of the Magnoila store inside the BestBuy,, very low lighting in that area.

Not sure what you mean by "LED's are not cost efficient" ????

Cheers
Davyo

I was in BestBuy last night checking out the new Panasonic's as I plan on buying the soon to be released 65" V10,,,, anyhow I see a Pansonic 54V10 and while Im checking it out I happen to notice the new 55" LG LED set sitting right next to the V10, Wall-E was playing an both the sets and I gota say I was kinda shocked to see (in my opinion) the better picture and the blacker blacks the LG LED was puttng out over the Panny V10.

Sorry plasma ONLY lover's, but while the space scenes in Wall-E were playing, the the blacks on the LG LED reminded me of my recently sold 60" Pioneer Kuro, while the blacks on the Panny looked gray'ish compared to the LG.

I have never been a fan of LG but I gota say I was pretty impressed after watching both sets side by side.

Matter of fact I was so impressed I am now re-thinking getting the V10, and while the V10 is not off my shopping list I will say I have added the LG and Samsung LED's to that shopping list.

Yea, I know,,,, I should not be posting anything positive about LED on the plasma thread,,,, sorry I just get confussed sometimes as I own both plasma and LCD.

Cheers
Davyo

I'm actually a little fond of the LG LED myself. I'm a bit confused about it's shootout scores though, especially since everyone seems to like it.

I also recently spent some time at Best Buy comparing LED-LCDs with plasmas. I don't really have an opinion about which has better picture quality, however, I'd like to sound a paranoiac warning about judging this on a showroom floor. You probably are not going to know exactly where the signals come from or how the sets have been adjusted. I would rather trust the evaluation of reviewers and other knowledgeable users. (I bought a plasma, partly because the LED-LCDs were too expensive.)

I think the animation rocks on the good 1080p LED/LCD's. It looks way better than any plasma, the Kuro's included. But I still just can't stand watching films on even the highest end models. This is really a taste issue though. I was at Best Buy recently and literally cringed when I saw a film segment on their high end model in the place of honor at Magnolia. The guy next to me noticed and asked about my reaction because he thought it looked "awesome." He liked the "detail" and the "3D like" look. What I saw was a film that now looked like it was shot in HD video -- it looked more detailed but cheaper. It looked "hyper real." It didn't look anything like a movie, though. It made it feel like a TV movie, even though it was a high budget action movie. It ruined the movie for me.

I think the animation rocks on the good 1080p LED/LCD's. It looks way better than any plasma, the Kuro's included. But I still just can't stand watching films on even the highest end models. This is really a taste issue though. I was at Best Buy recently and literally cringed when I saw a film segment on their high end model in the place of honor at Magnolia. The guy next to me noticed and asked about my reaction because he thought it looked "awesome." He liked the "detail" and the "3D like" look. What I saw was a film that now looked like it was shot in HD video -- it looked more detailed but cheaper. It looked "hyper real." It didn't look anything like a movie, though. It made it feel like a TV movie, even though it was a high budget action movie. It ruined the movie for me.

i really hear you on this one. they were playing one of the x-men movies at sears on a few sets, and on the lcds hugh jackman looked totally fake, but on the plasmas, he had a totally natural appearance. i could see animation working really well on an lcd, but in my opinion there is something really fishy about how they handle live-action films...

Try watching that exact LED lcd on a dark room (like you would watch a plasma on)then tell me which tv looks better :D and try watching a movie that has shadow detail black hawk down for example. Led has an issue it crushes shadow detail.

I was in BestBuy last night checking out the new Panasonic's as I plan on buying the soon to be released 65" V10,,,, anyhow I see a Pansonic 54V10 and while Im checking it out I happen to notice the new 55" LG LED set sitting right next to the V10, Wall-E was playing an both the sets and I gota say I was kinda shocked to see (in my opinion) the better picture and the blacker blacks the LG LED was puttng out over the Panny V10.

Sorry plasma ONLY lover's, but while the space scenes in Wall-E were playing, the the blacks on the LG LED reminded me of my recently sold 60" Pioneer Kuro, while the blacks on the Panny looked gray'ish compared to the LG.

I have never been a fan of LG but I gota say I was pretty impressed after watching both sets side by side.

Matter of fact I was so impressed I am now re-thinking getting the V10, and while the V10 is not off my shopping list I will say I have added the LG and Samsung LED's to that shopping list.

Yea, I know,,,, I should not be posting anything positive about LED on the plasma thread,,,, sorry I just get confussed sometimes as I own both plasma and LCD.

Cheers
Davyo

My point was...

TC-P54V10: $2599.95 MSRP 'panasonic dot com'
55LH90: $3200 MSRP 'lg dot com'

comparing the suggested price only. They are actually both very close right now at Big River. And please, davyo, post about both tv's in this forum. We are here to compare/contrast both techs, positive and negative. Just as long as everyone plays nice!

Now, animation, this is new to me. I wasn't aware they looked that different on lcd v. plasma. To the video store!!

My point was...

TC-P54V10: $2599.95 MSRP 'panasonic dot com'
55LH90: $3200 MSRP 'lg dot com'

comparing the suggested price only. They are actually both very close right now at Big River. And please, davyo, post about both tv's in this forum. We are here to compare/contrast both techs, positive and negative. Just as long as everyone plays nice!


Ahhhh,, understood, price comparison's.
As far as "cost efficient" (operating cost's) I have never owned an LED "yet" but its my understanding that the LED panels eat far less power than LCD's or plasma.

And thanks for the suggestion to post positive and negitive, sadly I will have to pass.
Im in the camp of I really like plasma, LED and LCD equally but I must admit I feel like I am walking on eggshells anytime I say anything nice about an LCD or LED here on the plasma thead,,,,, plasma owners tend to get very pissed at anything nice said about LED/LCD,,,,, I have just never understood that.
Funny thing is, when I post something positve about plasma in any LCD thread it does not seem to generate the same amount of pissed-off-ed-ness from LCD owners.
Very odd that the plasma owners get more pissed than the LCD owners do.

Anyhow, I really try to keep my positve opinions of LCD and LED to myself when ever I am on a plasma thread.

Cheers
Davyo

Try watching that exact LED lcd on a dark room (like you would watch a plasma on)then tell me which tv looks better :D and try watching a movie that has shadow detail black hawk down for example. Led has an issue it crushes shadow detail.

Not sure what you mean by "Try watching that exact LED lcd on a dark room",,, I assume you meant "in" a dark room and not "on" a dark room.

Anyhow, the reason Im not sure what you mean is as I stated I "was" watching the LED in a fairly dark room side by side with the V10 plasma.

CHeers
Davyo

My point was...

TC-P54V10: $2599.95 MSRP 'panasonic dot com'
55LH90: $3200 MSRP 'lg dot com'

...

Check it out

TC-P54V10 $2399.90 + $78.99 shipping
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P54V10-54-inch-VIERA-Plasma/dp/B002C8LX6S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248887474&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002C8LX6S?tag=avs-forum-20)

55LH90 $2598.98 free shipping
http://www.amazon.com/LG-55LH90-55-Inch-Backlit-Infused/dp/B0026NOWGW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248887546&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0026NOWGW?tag=avs-forum-20)

:):):)

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They are actually both very close right now at Big River.

MSRP seems to be a pretty useless figure for the consumer these days - I haven't seen a piece of high end electronics at MSRP in a very long time.

Sorry my english is not my best. the settings must be wrong on the plasma.

Not sure what you mean by "Try watching that exact LED lcd on a dark room",,, I assume you meant "in" a dark room and not "on" a dark room.

Anyhow, the reason Im not sure what you mean is as I stated I "was" watching the LED in a fairly dark room side by side with the V10 plasma.

CHeers
Davyo

Davyo, i'm not sure if you answered this year, but did you check what setting the V10 was on?

Davyo, i'm not sure if you answered this year, but did you check what setting the V10 was on?

Not sure what you mean by " if you answered this year", Im guessing you meant to say "if you answered this yet"

No, I did not check to see what the setting's were on either set, but its pretty much standard policy for most store's to just take a display out of the box, plug it in and turn it on.

Im assuming both sets were set to factory default right out of the box.

Cheers
Davyo

I think the animation rocks on the good 1080p LED/LCD's. It looks way better than any plasma, the Kuro's included. But I still just can't stand watching films on even the highest end models. This is really a taste issue though. I was at Best Buy recently and literally cringed when I saw a film segment on their high end model in the place of honor at Magnolia. The guy next to me noticed and asked about my reaction because he thought it looked "awesome." He liked the "detail" and the "3D like" look. What I saw was a film that now looked like it was shot in HD video -- it looked more detailed but cheaper. It looked "hyper real." It didn't look anything like a movie, though. It made it feel like a TV movie, even though it was a high budget action movie. It ruined the movie for me.

don't forget the ultimate display is the one thats shows images like our eyes it is one of the reason majority of the people prefer lcds,even OLEDs look more 3d like lcd,but with the obvious contrast edge over any other current flat screen tvs.

don't forget the ultimate display is the one thats shows images like our eyes it is one of the reason majority of the people prefer lcds,even OLEDs look more 3d like lcd,but with the obvious contrast edge over any other current flat screen tvs.

Huh ?

I've always preferred plasma over LCD because of 1) blacks/shadow detail 2) off-angle viewing 3) that fake/artificial/cartoony look that LCD can impart and 4) I see more posterization on LCD. But I keep reading about how LCD/LED is quickly overtaking/killing off plasma. I can't quite figure that out.

So I would hope that people might post positives about LCD when they see them. I love new stuff, better stuff, so if it's better, I'll be all over it. I mean, I get OLED, and would kill to have a 75" OLED. But with LCD I keep going to the store hoping to be blown away and I keep seeing the same issues I didn't like before. But I'm trying to like it.

You want a positive about LED? It was a 108 degrees here yesterday, and I would rather have had one of those cool-running LED's to watch, without heating up the house another few degrees.

I've always preferred plasma over LCD because of 1) blacks/shadow detail 2) off-angle viewing 3) that fake/artificial/cartoony look that LCD can impart and 4) I see more posterization on LCD. But I keep reading about how LCD/LED is quickly overtaking/killing off plasma. I can't quite figure that out.

So I would hope that people might post positives about LCD when they see them. I love new stuff, better stuff, so if it's better, I'll be all over it. I mean, I get OLED, and would kill to have a 75" OLED. But with LCD I keep going to the store hoping to be blown away and I keep seeing the same issues I didn't like before. But I'm trying to like it.

Simple:

1) Most viewers think #3 is a POSITIVE -- they just don't describe it the same way. Our "fake" is their "super detailed" and "3D-like."

2) BRIGHT

3) "Most" people by smaller sets. So by definition the stats will strongly bias toward LCD. Most of the articles fail to compare sales of just sets in the same size range (i.e. 50"+)

4) Most people are sheep. They follow the crowd. Bah.

Huh ?I think what the poster is saying is that plasma displays tend to be soft compared to LCD. This softness is what makes plasma picture more film like.


LCD has a sharper, more vibrant picture. This shows off video based material very well, and has the pop that HD advertises.

This basic difference between the technologies is why film buffs prefer plasma. Without your shoes sticking to the floor, plasma screens come as close as possible to a movie theater.

LCD gives the viewer the "wow" effect of 3D images with well recorded video and life action material.

As Blu Ray has failed to capture the marketplace from DVD, most people are getting their HD images from HDTV. Thus, they are buying LCD sets like popcorn, viewing plasma as yesterday's news.

I was in BestBuy last night checking out the new Panasonic's as I plan on buying the soon to be released 65" V10,,,, anyhow I see a Pansonic 54V10 and while Im checking it out I happen to notice the new 55" LG LED set sitting right next to the V10, Wall-E was playing an both the sets and I gota say I was kinda shocked to see (in my opinion) the better picture and the blacker blacks the LG LED was puttng out over the Panny V10.


Cheers
Davyo

I was in BB today and overheard a salesman pushing the LG really hard on two separate occasions. I had never even considered an LG but it looked pretty good. I was surprised though because it was the first time I had heard someone at BB push an LG (or anything for that matter) over a Samsung. The folks in ours certainly hate plasma and often offer up bad info on everything plasma related.

You want a positive about LED? It was a 108 degrees here yesterday, and I would rather have had one of those cool-running LED's to watch, without heating up the house another few degrees.

heat up the house another few degrees?, how small is your house :p

heat up the house another few degrees?, how small is your house :p

ok, perhaps i misspoke. i should have said heat up the room a few degrees, not the whole house. yesterday evening the thermostat in the hallway said 97 degrees. and we have no ac. it says 93 right now. a plasma doesn't help matters on days like this.

now, come winter...

I think this is little to no issue to be honest now stick with me, i live in watsonville and i've been to roseville (90+ to 100ish) degrees and i would not mind having a bit more heat as the plasma is better then anything else.


ok, perhaps i misspoke. i should have said heat up the room a few degrees, not the whole house. yesterday evening the thermostat in the hallway said 97 degrees. and we have no ac. it says 93 right now. a plasma doesn't help matters on days like this.

now, come winter...