I've started this thread first on the CRT section and Digital Projector section to prove first all the differences between the CRT and this technology.
Since it's been proven that this amazing machine is far better than the CRT's (Finally the new technology at it's best), and i am looking for the best projector to experience SD and HD movies in a 5 or 6 Meter Screen, i would like to hear the opinions of the experts.
I would like to consider not only this machine but machines with similar performance or better (sometimes cheaper).

And like "coldmachine" told me i also think this is the right section to do it.

The Meridian actually has something that i love, it has one of the best scalers that can bring up to live my DVD'S, D-Theater and Laserdisc (NTSC and Muse Hi-Vision) Movies to life.
And this is very important to me, since i don't want to get rid of any format that i have.

And besides it will improve Blu Ray and HD-DVD to an upper level, that's even more fantastic.




I love movies, what can i say :)

If you are seriously considering this projector and ones like it, and you are in North America or close enough, then it would probably make sense to make the trip to the CEDIA show in Atlanta in September. They aren't likely to have every high end projector there, but there should be some stuff to check out. And different people can be attracted to different image attributes, so it makes some sense to check at least some of these out for yourself to see what kinds of projectors put out images that you like.

--Darin

Hi
You are absolutely right. I live in Europe, but it's like a 7 hour trip to USA.
And besides buying in USD is alot cheaper than buying in Euro.
For example the Meridian, it's like 180.000 USD, and they sell it here for 180.000 Euros.
That means if i buy in USA i save 54.000 Euros, around 76.600 USD.:eek:

Now another question is: Will it also be compatible with PAL System for SD and HD sources? I guess so, it's like universal, but i'll have to ask...

Tank you :):)

It is compatible with PAL

@ RMSMT: Where do you live in Europe?

Hi
I live in Portugal

Tank you for the information Dennis :)

Hi
You are absolutely right. I live in Europe, but it's like a 7 hour trip to USA.
And besides buying in USD is alot cheaper than buying in Euro.
For example the Meridian, it's like 180.000 USD, and they sell it here for 180.000 Euros.
That means if i buy in USA i save 54.000 Euros, around 76.600 USD.:eek:

Now another question is: Will it also be compatible with PAL System for SD and HD sources? I guess so, it's like universal, but i'll have to ask...

Tank you :):)

What about import duties and local VAT and other hidden nasties ?

What about import duties and local VAT and other hidden nasties ?

Maybe Portugal is like Brazil. Over there you have EXPORTABANDO. It leaves the US as export it gets into the country as contraband. :D

The best projector in the world optimized for 3-6 meter sizes "bar none" will be showing at CEDIA, and maybe there will be show floor specials to be had so I would definitely attend.

Hi
Yes we do have import duties and VAT (this is Europe, not Banana Republic).
But even with that i can still save around 50.000 USD.
It's alot of difference, with that money i can buy any other things, for example the amazing Kef Reference 7.2 System. ;)

Personally used to the contrast enhanced Barco to me the Meridian looks like :

uma imagem morta, eu quero mina viva. :D

Personally used to the contrast enhanced Barco

There is the Barco OEM but Meridian has the only 4k video processor that Im aware of.

Yes it is indeed a good processor, but when the DLP 4K comes out it will have it's own up converter.

Yes it is indeed a good processor, but when the DLP 4K comes out it will have it's own up converter.

Other then a PC ( software based:( ) any other standalone 4k scaling solutions out there.

Well, expect any standalone units (not aware of any, yet) to be software-based, just a bunch of fpga's in a rack-unit.

Well if one is really interested the real prices start to come out, and the actual difference might be less than that whopping 50K you mentioned above.

Peter that reduced contrast/saturation in your new avatar makes you look younger, guess your buddies also make a rejuvenating unterkontrast;-).

I wish .I think I have become my father- the unthinkable.:D Thanks anyways.

Well if one is really interested the real prices start to come out, and the actual difference might be less than that whopping 50K you mentioned above.

Peter that reduced contrast/saturation in your new avatar makes you look younger, guess your buddies also make a rejuvenating unterkontrast;-).

I wish .I think I have become my father- the unthinkable.:D Thanks anyways.

No, that is Peter's look after bringing an attractive SOBE babe up to his condo.:D Actually, it is almost harder to find an ugly female on SOBE than it is to find an attractive female in most other US cities. :eek:

Y when the DLP 4K comes out it will have it's own up converter.

Im sure it will be better than Meridians "Plastic face maker" device.

One thing in which we agree...

Wait, so are you saying that the 7 hour trip is to long for you to come to see the pjs in person? Are you saying that you want to buy a pj from the US and then ship it over without seeing it first? Peter can comment on it, but I thought that the commercial pjs were not point and shoot for good performance.

That is why I favour digital cinema projectors (modified for contrast and depth) and front ended for HT Like control but you have a factory certified local DCI tech do the install. It is a more global business model riding on the back of the DCI rollout Juggernaut.

No, that is Peter's look after bringing an attractive SOBE babe up to his condo.:D Actually, it is almost harder to find an ugly female on SOBE than it is to find an attractive female in most other US cities. :eek:

They ruined it though with all of that metal and ink by Discovery's Kat von D and lesser talent:-(.

Hold on there. I am not saying that Miami isn't a ghetto third world country and that there aren't a lot of pigs with tats walking around like at Dolphin Mall where Peter hangs out.:D The thing is when I drive over to SOBE I almost always see about a dozen or more females that would make most guys forget they were married.:) Those dozen females would also be better looking than just about all of the women I would see in a year or two in Raleigh.

Back to the OP's original post ...

As can be seen, there are certain, can we say "emotional" attachments to various projectors and technologies. Regardless of opinions, technical specifications, or the personal experience of others, I would strongly urge you to view any projector you intend to purchase (particularily in that price range) prior to making that committment.

I agree
And of course that before i buy it i will go and see it personally.
Because sometimes some images are more suitable for the eye than others (and this goes from person to person) i think it's better to see.
Also the screen i know i very important.
Sometimes High End screens with some High End projectors just don't match..

Cheers

Hi RMSMT,
If you are in Portugal why not come to the UK for a look at the Meridian.
As an ex dealer for Meridian I can attest to how helpfull the guy's at the factory are and if they have a system set up at the factory then i'm sure they would not mind giving you a demo there.
Where are you in Portugal? My wife is from Guimaraes and I have traveled around Portugal quite a bit in the last decade.

I am more interested in a projector designed to trump ALL OF THE HIGH END re badged projectors(meridian/runco/wolf/dpi lighting) plus the 700,000 Laser projector, it exists. One that can do 3-D and 2-D in triple flash on 3 to 6 meter wide screens with an intelligent lamp house and an inexhaustible variety of lamps, one that can be converged perfectly center to corner, a projector with a smart zoom lens to change aspect ratio and not one adding a 6 inch glass element to change aspect ratio while reducing ANSI contrast and MTF by 1/5th.

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/DP-2000-new-01_L.jpg

Given sufficient space to install properly I would buy a 2k DCI compliant projector with the superkontrast modifications that has an uprade path to DCI Compliant DLP Cinema 4K. That is the only correct 4K path at the moment.

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/ev_DP3000_pic1_L.jpg

Like I said above I want my image alive (to put a smile from ear to ear every time) not dead. LCOS lack of ansi cr and mtf leaves me gasping for air.

To be honest ladies and gentlemen there is no contest. The world of high end hometheater is about to be put on it's head thanks to the Barco sanctioned modified units.

And let me tell you something about Faroudja, I was the first person to suggest to Faroudja to bring his line doubler to the Home Theater Market, in fact one day in 1989 Yves Faroudja called me and asked me:

"do you mean to tell me that people have data projectors at home to watch movies? I would never had thought so..." , at that time he had the original LD-1 for $50,000 , I told him that was too expensive that when he could price it around the price of the Ikegami then $13,500 to give me a call, one day I received a box at the door and there it was the $15,000 LD-100.:D

I also being a co-founder and effective instigator in the creation of CEDIA brought Faroudja and SONY (we use to use the 1292's then) to the association. Needless to say Yves and I are good friends, I know what an Yves Faroudja's image aesthetics tastes are, I even discussed with Bob Stuart to not use the Snell & Wilcox Interpolator because Faroudja had sued them and the intellectual property was too strong.

The point being that the kitchen sink scaler while commendable does indeed create a waxy/ plastic rendition of 2k content converted to 4K when used with the LOW MTF high frequencies of the JVC projector the OEM for the Meridian.

So for 185,000 you get an anamorphic lens that softens the image, the projector that has no ansi contrast, no 3-D, no large screens and you are dependent on Meridian service. How many good meridian local factory trained (who work on these projectors more than 180 days a year)? 4

There are 800 Barco certified technicians, working every day with such projectors in the deployment of 3-D digital cinema all over the world, and the numbers are increasing. Chances are the are already Barco techs in Lisboa.

THERE IS NO CONTEST.

Another advantage of the Barco even over Christie and Nec DCI units is the communicator software, when I first was exposed to this operating system for the projector, the thing just sat there blinking and I felt intimidated by the complex software. It was the most complex yet fascinating tool I had ever beheld in front of me. "This projector is an airplane " I said.

18 months later I have my learners permit, and with the right patented LUT's the Barco platform DEPTH FX is the harbinger of a new age in DIMENSIONALISATION of the 2-D HDTV signal.

There are Home Theater projectors in the 85,000(Titan/HT5000/6000) to 250,000 (the ol Runco sc-1), and there is the Laser projector in the 550,000 to 700,000 range, that is the universe and then there is something that feels like 1,000,000 in every way but it is not. That ladies and gents is the REALITY of the Projection world for the next years grab your superkontrast while they last.

Barco Scaler,

I recently had a chance to upgrade the Barco scaler firmware and re tweak it's settings for DirectV. The ACS2048 is a very powerful unit which can now be set to perfectly display 1080i on the Barco's, it has a wide range of settings for the input and output signal including 8 to 12 bit chroma expansion from hdmi to dual DVI. This is the scaler that needs to be compared to the more expensive Snell & Wilcox unit. Either of them are a fine competitor to the Marvel Faroudja in SD/720p/1080i deinterlacing.

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/ACS-2048_L.jpg

not one adding a 6 inch glass element to change aspect ratio while reducing ANSI contrast and MTF by 1/5th.

Peter, you're causing my hemorrhoids to fare up again.:eek:

The ISCO/ANSI misinformation issue has been addressed.

Not for my control group.;)
Just continue to be a good boy for the next month or so and put your ear on the ground and see what people say then. Deal?

An American land owner was on vacation in England driving around the countryside. One day he met a local farmer and they got talking, He asked the farmer 'How long does it take you to drive around your land?'
'About twenty minutes' the farmer replied.
'Twenty minutes?, It takes me four day's to drive around my ranch back home'
The farmer looked at the man and simpatheticaly replied 'Oh, I used to have a car like that!'

I don't know why but that just seemed appropriate.:p

I don't know why but that just seemed appropriate.:p

Perhaps because you are slow-witted? ;)

Quite possibly Peter, or it might be that there is always more than one persons opinion available at any given time!;)

This is not a subject of opinion it is a matter of enlightenment, I have it and soon many others, at that point your opinion will change.

We are not talking about a paradigm shift A TECHNOLOGICAL BARRIER HAS BEEN perforated.

My God, That sounds AWE INSPIRING.
Do you think you might attend Cedia UK this year and give a demonstration of this technological marvel?
You won't need to advertise or wear a name tag, I'll find you by following the choir of angels voices leading me towards the ethereal glow surrounding you!:D

put your ear on the ground and see what people say then. Deal?

The problem with keeping your ear to the ground is that you end up listening to a load of dog sh1t.:D

Lol.

Actually i am very excited to see that projector working...:cool::cool:

I hear they're selling great looking projectors in Nigeria, have you tried them?..
They are very friendly though.:D:D

Ah! The necessary morning vitriol. Well it shall be over next month.

I have had many Portuguese customers over the year's and one of the biggest complaints from them has always been import tax if they fly it back.
For a purchase so expensive you might want to think about buying in the UK and then driving it back to portugal, my experience with customs at the borders is that they seem more interested in alchohol and tobacco than anything else.
You probably wouldn't pay a cent in duty and it's a great drive.

Exportabando! :D

Not exactly, we dont have any gun toting militia who are paid off by drug cartels at our borders in europe as they might in South America.
By the way I did see on your site that wonderful install you did in Brazil, very nice!;)

Thanks, the owner recently purchased a Tact Audio TCS MK III for it.

He is friends with the Bell Helicopter dealer over there. A brand new 6 seater Bell helicopter left Miami for Brazil. In it's trunk the TCS MK III.:D That is a 4,000 mile chopper ride.

Hold on a second, a RICH South American who lives on the outskirts of Brazil and need's a helicopter?:eek:
I can't imagine what that gentleman's line of business might be!;)
Tell me, did he pay cash or just promise to release your family unharmed on completion?:D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Blumenau_vista.jpg

No it's not like that, I morally oppose to dealing with that kind of customer some of the largest Industrialists have a home in Blumenau which is a Bavarian type village, this man has textile factories all over Brazil and in Portugal too.

The women in Florianopolis, were the beach houses are: the most incredible mixture of latin with blue eye blondes anywhere 70% of population women.

http://floripatips.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/032.jpg?w=495&h=694

Just kidding, I once had a Columbian customer who was an accountant handling affairs in London for his client back home. The man had a deep booming voice, like a Spanish "Jabba the Hutt". He used to scare the crap out of me when I was working in his house, He would say things like 'I LIKE YOU MARTIN, YOU ARE ALRIGHT' in a very ominous way, which I took to mean I would live to see another day!:eek:

If the man's in textiles I would grab every penny you can while he's got it!
All of my wifes family were in the textile industry in Portugal and it's all gone down the toilet, the rest of the world can't keep up with China in this economic climate.

This week a Bell helicopter and a High End AV system, next week a bicycle and a Walkman.:p

He used to scare the crap out of me when I was working in his house, He would say things like 'I LIKE YOU MARTIN, YOU ARE ALRIGHT' in a very ominous way, which I took to mean I would live to see another day!:eek:

Reminds me of selling a Media Room to General Augusto Pinochet for his -7 level bomb proof bunker. We sent 6 remote spares just in case.

See, that picture show's exactly what I am saying about the textile business going downhill.
That poor girl's dress shrunk, very poor quality indeed!:D

You can say that again!

Ai Brasil... Mulheres Lindas e Gostosas...Ai Ai Ai...
Não para casar e claro senão vai um Projector por mes so para elas...

EHEHEH;););)

I must be slipping in my old age! It took a while to sink in, A BAVARIAN TYPE VILLAGE IN SOUTH AMERICA!.
Who the hell would build a "BAVARIAN" style village in South America for the "UBER" rich?(there is a clue in the word "UBER" by the way), then the penny dropped.
Blue eyed blondes you say?
You ever see "The Boys from Brazil" Peter?:eek:

I have it on a Blue Ray imported from Limecanshire. :D

Maybe but my client's rich father in law's ancestors came to Blumenau during the great famine of 1895. So they are kosher.;)

Blumenau is a city in Santa Catarina state in southern Brazil. It was founded on September 2, 1850 by Dr. Otto Hermann Blumenau along with 17 German immigrants. A few years later Fritz Müller migrated to Blumenau as well. As of 2005, Blumenau had a estimated population of approximately 280,000 people, with an area of 510 km². The main ethnic groups of the city are German and Italian people. The city itself retains many historical and cultural reminders of its past, such as houses and constructions ...

They certainly have great plans for the future, like dieying the river green.;)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7413/blumenau2050.jpg

http://www.snellgroup.com/documents/brochures-conversion/hd-standards-conversion/cv70data.pdf

I thought you didn't like Snell & Wilcox because they are a limey company who took an intelectual property and improved on it?;)
Let's be honest, all modern day scalers resemble the original "Interpolator" far more than the fixed resolution output unit's Faroudja built.
By the way I used to sell and love Faroudja products, and I never sold a Snell & Wilcox in my life (too expensive).
Also thanks for the wiki on Blumenau but you did miss out one little tiny scrap of info that is interesting, the most famous person to emerge from the place was actress/model Vera Fischer who wasn't born until 1951 but stated that her father was a Nazi who used to beat her and force her to read Hitler's writings. I doubt her daddy was Kosher.:(

And with the modified Runco by Cineramax, where does the Runco SC-1 stays?
It's an overpriced projector...but interesting to compare it to the one modifed by Cineramax.

HA HA HA.

No thank you. Design year =2002 vs 2007, new .98 chip, smart zoom lens system does not need IMAGE ROBBING ANAMORPHIC OPTICS, modular CONSTRUCTION (24/7 parts express), communicator SOFTWARE, single projector 3-D,built in Dolby 3-D controller, internal color wheel attahment, (why the hell was the SC-1 never contrastizized), NO DIGITAL CINEMA DLP (inferior hand picked optics- one projector is made with the rejects of the 3% parts ).Special electronic blanking contour trim for curved or irregular shape screens (not involving WARPING-which reduces resolution)
Runco not a real manufacturer(rebadged Christie Industrial projector) Barco manufacturer from the ground up.

BTW I commissioned the SUPERKONTRAST modification to be made in a clean room facility sanctioned by Barco. MiT the company that makes the modification is one selected by Barco to do custom equipment for them in Hollywood, their client list includes just about every studio, post house, the Directors Guild. This is a key special purpose custom engineering optics company in Hollywood, not some Bolinha (http://bp3.blogger.com/_jdtV0PhD7bI/RttUuEaaJlI/AAAAAAAAAQc/3bT2PIAhvzE/S269/Bolinha.jpg) with a screwdriver. One of the people working there steers a smpte committee involving DCI gamma. They have several Patented LUT's. We use some of those in DEPTH FX a purpose specific application for dimensionalisation of the 2-D image. So the company behind these Barco sanctioned mods is a real company (better than Runco or Wolf or yes MERIDIAN).This is very serious operation and process with tightly controlled parts tracking (we cannot pollute the Barco pool of spare parts modules).

So it is defined that just to get the right picture quality you need a DCI compliant dlp, of those NEC are doing their own thing, being Japanese they have not interfaced very well at the engineering level. Christie? let me count the ways I dislike the HYUNDAI of projector manufacturers,I am a perfectionist, what they did to IMAX is PATHETIC. Christie oems for runco vx-44/55/sc1 and WOLF they all use (not sc-1)the cermax xenon lamp a disaster in lamp flicker and reduced output the Wolf at Infocomm had strobing due to a faulty lamp-I avoid cermax lamps like the plague.

You see you not only need xenon, you need xenon smart lamp system to a) eliminate flicker through automatic lamp focusing, b)to maximize the output for say (3-D), c)to reduce the light output to play low apl movies like Watchmen and Underworld. DEPTH FX gives you 6 preset settings to fine tune a movie depending on how it was Mastered, one of them is the most accurate rec 709 setting on the planet thanks to 3nm tip7 auto-calibration. The other depth settings increase apparent depth for films (3), and for animation(2).

Oh the Runco lacks a 8 million dollar auto-color calibration system called the TIP7, and finally nuance, a legacy for manufacturing sophisticated video images.

What the BARCO has that people here said it wouldn't is absolute reliability. As some may know I pioneered the use of contrast enhanced hdcp compatible BARCO's here in the process becoming the only custom installer anywhere to master the highly complex COMMUNICATOR operating system to achieve the EPIPHANY image I am proclaiming about. But let me tell you that Florida for Electonic equipment is the absolute as$hole of the world when it comes to thunderstorms, some of the most violent on the planet.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/thedailygreen/images/Ww/miami-thunderstorm-www-lg.jpg

Helene is frequently hit by monster bolts, two air conditioning units destroyed, a DENON SURROUND PROCESSOR DESTROYED, AN AXONIX MEDIA SERVER DESTROYED, ALARM SYSTEM GONE, TELEPHONE SYSTEM GONE, Superkontrast :Unperturbed.

In May I was to enter the Prometheus property with the streets flooded amid a lighting storm, one bolt landed in the back yard, one landed by the dock, one behind my car and when one hit right in front of my car I decided to abort the visit. :D

http://www.miamibadc.com/Images/10608-014.jpg

13 amx panels gone, the front gates opening and closing, the cisco data and voice system gone, air conditioners gone, one mark Levinson amp gone, a Denon Blue Ray player gone the Barco: intact.

I think these two anecdotes attest to the reliability of these units, any other projector would have been gone.

CINEMA DLP WILL KILL PROJECTOR REBRANDERS: it is legally impossible for any firm but the three licensed manufacturers (BARCO, CHRISTIE,NEC) to put a label on the projector they will be sued by Texas Instruments (you know how i feel that Christie seldom goes 100% on anything -see what hapeenned to Lon and Nicksbass that returned their units-NEC sorry but they are in another world and I don't speak Japanese to help them). That is why we propose a more honest, transparent and value added proposition We have MiT do the SUPERKONTRAST mods and we do the DEPTH FX implementation which is mission dependent.

If the man's in textiles I would grab every penny you can while he's got it!
All of my wifes family were in the textile industry in Portugal and it's all gone down the toilet, the rest of the world can't keep up with China in this economic climate.

This week a Bell helicopter and a High End AV system, next week a bicycle and a Walkman.:p

You got that right. The Scottish Borders was a textile giant for hundreds of years supplying goods worldwide and suddenly these last dozen or so years has seen a real decline with factories closing down and it's due to China.

Regarding digital cinema projectors. I have viewed films which have used a Christie digital projector and then i have viewed just a few weeks ago a proper 35mm film presentation and there is no comparison. The 35mm presentation looked fabulous and the Christie nowhere near as good and i'm not returning to the cinema that uses the Christie. I'm glad i found a cinema showing real 35mm again.

Perhaps the cinema with the Christie projector looked processed because they didn't have the settings correct or due to contrast issues but i felt it really lacked when compared to a proper 35mm film presentation in a quality cinema.

So i won't be going back to the Vue Omni cinema just off Princes street in Edinburgh again but the Fountainpark cinema is fantastic and even has decent cinema sound and a ten pin bowling alley.

Is this Meridian projector much better than Christie ones ?

On paper it is, the scaler is one of the few. CM and I find the image waxy plasticky on 2k-4k scaling. I believe a Christie could probably be tweaked albeit not as much as a Barco because of the lack of a DNA architecture development platform the COMMUNICATOR software has turned out to be.

Sorry to hear that it has hit there too FoxyMulder. I had noticed that Pringle and Lyle & Scott have lost there charm and gone all chav recently. I would like to visit again when my kid's are a little older but only Edinburgh and the Highlands. I stayed in Glasgow for a week training at Linn in 2002, but I have only been to Edinburgh for one day and would definately like to visit again. At least my favorite companies haven't gone under yet, Balvenie, Lagavulin, Oban, Cardhu, Talisker and of course Tunnock's tea cakes.;)
As for Digital vs Film I still prefer to find a theatre showing real film myself whenever possible (unless the film was shot digital).

As for Digital vs Film I still prefer to find a theatre showing real film myself whenever possible (unless the film was shot digital).

That is because you guys are virgins to DEPTH FX DIMENSIONALISATION.:D

You want to make "The Third Man" and "Lawrence of Arabia" 3D Peter?
Would it make them better films?
While your at it why not give "Casablanca" a happy ending?:)

Do not confuse DIMENSIONALIZATION (http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/PR.aspx?newsID=204) with DEPTH FX dimensionalisation. The former is a million dollar a minute stereoscopic remastering process. The later is my original adjustable depth enhancement process achieved through the implementation of patented LUT's, a huge Hollywood director LOVED IT.

The later you will understand at your point of enlightment, no point explaining the nunace involved. Let's just say Laurence could definetely use it to properly convey the expanse.

You make it sound like the projector is inaccurate, far from it, in it's rec 709 setting NOTHING can compare to it's accuracy. HOWEVER WITH INCONSISTENTLY MASTERED BLU RAYS THE OWNER OF THE SUPERKONTRAST IS SURELY GOING TO TRY more profound depth of field settings. :)

NEW CONCEPT. :D

About half of my local screen are digital now, all Christie. The screens that are film based are so poorly implemented that the digital hammers them. I'm sure that well done film based projection is superior but I don't get to see it happening.

Art

Please do not confuse technical accuracy with artistic intent, Lawrence looked it's best in 1962 in 70mm. Although i'm sure there is plenty of lackluster
crap made in recent years that would benefit, you think it might add some depth to a Vin Diesel performance?:p

No for that d-box.

About half of my local screen are digital now, all Christie. The screens that are film based are so poorly implemented that the digital hammers them. I'm sure that well done film based projection is superior but I don't get to see it happening.

Art

I suppose thats so true of many cinema's though and not just for their film based content.

I wonder if i actually was watching 35mm film based content now that i read your post. Maybe i was just lucky to get a cinema with a superior digital projection system which was set up correctly. The other cinema had the EXIT sign flashing light onto parts of the screen at night scenes and this one had the EXIT safety door away from the screens so maybe that made a huge difference too.

I was assuming it was 35mm film based on the quality of the presentation and the fact i could actually see some film grain present in the excellent image. Incidentally it was The Hangover i saw. ( funny film )

Here's the cinema i saw it at.

http://www.fountainparkcentre.co.uk/venue.cfm?category=cinema

Next time i pop in i'll have to find out if it's really 35mm as maybe it was Digital and if it was then all i can say is wow it looked like film.

My point is digital is more plug and play. The local film projection is dirty ,non uniform,often out of focus etc. The digital, although not perfect, just is way way more consistant.

Art

Art and Peter are totally on the money here, unsurprisingly.

In almost every circumstance a digital unit will have a significantly superior presentation, and that's coming from someone with a 35mm system who's presentation dumps on commercial cinemas.

Many people haven't seen a fresh print ran on a perfectly adjusted machine, but its also true that many people haven't experienced a "genuine" high end digital system. Film does some things better, but the overall superiority is very clearly with current digital PJs.


As for Digital vs Film I still prefer to find a theatre showing real film myself whenever possible (unless the film was shot digital).

Regardless of the capture method, the movie will have gone through a DI process and then been transferred back to film. When you watch a current movie on film, with few exceptions, its a digital transfer to film, no matter if the original capture was film or digital.

Just curious but is anything coming out at cedia that suppose to be better then the Meridian?

Yesterday i went to see Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince at IMAX.
Only the first 13 minutes of the movie we're 3D...But it was awsome!!! I love it.
I would like to know from Cineramax if this is possible to achieve in a private Home Theater? With that particular modified Barco?
What about the software, will the studios release it?
I would love full 3D movies....But i think that's not very common.

Cheers

We can do better than Imax. Talvez muito melhor :D

Depending on the Blue Ray 3-D format the 96 frames per second (que você viu), there is 120 fps, and then there is the KING 144fps that is what we are installing in the PROMETHEUS SYSTEM, there should be 40 movies out by Xmas 2011 on 3-D BlueRay including AVATAR the movie that will change the way movies are made forever. Look for AVATAR free preview at the same IMAX theater AUGUST 21.

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/avatarparty-550x309.jpg


I do not like sports but I LOVE SPORTS IN 3-D it is spectacular, and there are 150 video games of which 75 are phenomenal. Some engineering is required to integrate all of this but with the right kit the answer is yes.

SKY is going to have a full time 3-D satellite channel in the CE possibly by then too.

The Barco is the very best 3-D display when using the Dolby 3-D system let me find some diagrams to explain why.

Essentially on the Dolby 3-D system there is a color wheel installed in the projector, you can order the projector with the wheel already installed, because the wheel resides IN BETWEEN THE LAMP and THE LIGHT engine you do not lose light, contrast and sharpness, because the ansi contrast is roughly three times of the IMAX FILM, and because THE PROJECTORS HAVE convergence adjustment, AND BECAUSE THE PROJECTOR DOES NOT NEED A SILVER SCREEN, the perforations on the silver screen stick out visually from 50 feet away and are very annoying right smack in the middle of the Percival comfort zone , for all of those reasons Imax 3-D will be PARDON MY PORTUGUESE:uma merda pela comparação:D to a properly engineered Barco/Dolby system which correctly set HAS NO WEAKNESSES.

Today I had a chance to see the most incredible screen surface, acoustically transparent , very flat an very very small holes, you cannot see the holes after 4 feet/1.22m at that point it looks like a white rubber screen. This is the IDEAL screen for 3-D because it does not say I AM HERE , RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE , LOOK AT THE MIDDLE the screen holes are the bane of good 3-D watching never mind screen holes on a silver screen (THE CHESEE GRATER CONONDRUM).

The middle of what you say? The middle of the Percival comfort zone. When you watch 3-D and the objects get close to your face, they keep on getting close to your face UNTIL IT BECOMES distorted by Ghosting, this is the audience side demarcation of the Percival comfort zone the point close to your face where the image looks great (your brain has accomodated that optical illusion to that point but further out no), then the Percival comfort zone extends the other way deep into the screen until a control group of people begin to see ghosting because the vergence accommodation, that is the backsatge limit of the PCZ. So the PCZ is a range sticking out in front of the screen(audience limit) and all the way back into the screen (backstage limit) without distortion. That is where good 3-D resides.

The cheese grater in the middle of the comfort zone is an abomination. You need the Barco, the Dolby system and the impermeable looking acoustically transparent screen to fully loose yourself in the PCZ.

Fantastic, i am really impressed :)
We have to meet in Miami.
So it means that i can watch a 2D or 3D movie with that projector.
Just a small question...in terms of screen i would like to use a 5 or 6 meter screen (I don't know if that's too much for the projector, i would like it to be installed in full performance).
What screen do you advice? Do you also sell the screens?

Just a small question...in terms of screen i would like to use a 5 or 6 meter screen (I don't know if that's too much for the projector, i would like it to be installed in full performance).

Dr. if you must have the projector right now your only option is the dp-1200

http://miamibadc.com/Images/dp-1200.jpg

For good 3-D we can only go 4.5 meters.

Or you can wait for series II Dp-2000 in December
http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/DP-2000-new-01_L.jpg
Then you can go 6.5 meters.

But at this point we are dressed in a tuxedo with no shoes on.:D

What the heck? I'll buy myself future proofing, the ability of sending the 2k projector back and get a 4K upgrade and if you want 8-9 meters 3-D. :D

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/images/ev_DP3000_pic1_L.jpg

DP3000 series II- a tempo para o carnaval!

Just curious but is anything coming out at cedia that suppose to be better then the Meridian?

Check with Gary Reber here. (http://www.widescreenreview.com/);)

Just curious but is anything coming out at cedia that suppose to be better then the Meridian?

I assume you mean in addition the the units that already are?

Yes there will be.

Check with Gary Reber here. (http://www.widescreenreview.com/);)

What you don't host your own releases;-).
http://www.widescreenreview.com/blog_detail.php?id=265

SMX CINEMA SOLUTIONS, CINEPRO, AND CINERAMAX TO BRING TO CEDIA 2009: “THE TEMPLE OF HOME THEATER”.

State of the art acoustically transparent masking screens, Mix Mode reference grade In-wall surround sound systems, and contrast optimized DCI compliant projectors to debut at CEDIA 2009 - Booth 6235.

Coconut Creek, FL - Mount Sinai, NY - Miami, FL - (August 10, 2009 )

This is not your typical cubicle partition booth.”-Says Ruben Ortiz, founder of SmX Cinema Solutions, Corp. “This is a light controlled acoustically optimized cabin showcasing a scaled version of our next generation large-room audio video ensemble.” The Temple of Home Theater features the critically acclaimed SMX PROMASK-QUAD 4 way masking screen fitted with the latest SMX 4K acoustically transparent CineWeave woven surface which experts describe as appearing impermeable from a close-by vantage point.

In addition, SMX will be showcasing five different fixed and masking screen models including the ProMask-Curv two-way curved masking screen, the ProMask-CH two-way flat masking screen, the ProLine flat fixed projection screen and the ProCurv curved fixed projection screen. SMX will also be introducing the industries first affordable manual masking option the PRO-PANELS for masking flat and curved fixed projection screens.


CINEPRO will be showcasing new editions to their high powered AFM Speaker System. With over 10,000 watts it will effortlessly exceed reference levels without compression, distortion, or any signs of ear fatigue, while hidden behind the high resolution acoustically transparent SmX masking screen.

Michael Panicci, Pres. and DR. Constantine Gus Cossifos, V.P., will be introducing their NEW 15 HVV Subwoofers which provide a more powerful level of bass output and have a significant advantage over industry standard sealed and vented designs. They are faster, tighter, more faithful to the input signal and play louder with greater impact. Cannons, depth charges, gun shots and explosions will attain new levels of realism and authority.


CINERAMAX will be showcasing a SUPERKONTRAST modified BARCO DP-1200 with exclusive convergence and lamp focus adjustability. It yields double the native contrast of this celebrated platform while the Depth FX patented LUTs enhances dimensionaliSation. “We look forward to bring an earnest alternative to the practice of projector re-branding so prevalent in the high end consumer projector arena”.

Only three manufacturers are licensed to do Cinema DLP, this precludes their re-badging by consumer DLP brands because DCI compliant projectors, whose optics and electronics are superior to the 1080p category commonly re-baptized, legally cannot be re-branded. Thus we offer the CEDIA Home Theater installer/designers a more transparent value-added business model with an image superior to solutions costing 5 times its price.

“Together with Moving image Technologies' online monitoring and diagnostics we take advantage of BARCOs global 3-D digital cinema rollout infrastructure with their spare parts module dispatch and a global network of certified technicians to achieve the best possible support to critical screening rooms everywhere” says Peter Montoulieu a co-founder of CEDIA and Technical Director, CINERAMAX LLC.

“We call upon those fervent believers of home theater that will be making their pilgrimage to CEDIA this year to experience true joy and glory at the TEMPLE OF HOME THEATER. May you find the peace that comes with renewing your faith in high technology.” –Gus Cossifos, VP CINEPRO.

You beat me to it.I started a thread asking about thoughts..except mine started with the Megan Fox thing in the email.

Art

No I haven't heard of Megan coming by sorry.

Let's use your thread instead...

No I haven't heard of Megan coming by sorry.

Let's use your thread instead...That is a copy of the email from Gus.

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