Megan Fox ....... Booth 6235

at

CEDIA 2009!




CINEPRO, SMX SCREENS & BARCO PROJECTION are all geared up to "WOW YOU" with "The Greatest Show " at CEDIA 2009!


Many are saying that CEDIA 2009 will be a dead show, with attendance gradually decreasing by 10 - 20% each year over the last 3 years. Well, we feel that CEDIA 2009 will be far from dead, attracting only quality successful dealers/integrators who are looking for those unique lines that will push their business forward. This recessed economic period can be very advantageous, weeding out those who are struggling in a sea of qualified integration experts. Every year, there are more and more unqualified "alarm guys" getting into the High End Home Theater Market because their businesses are slow and they believe that Home Theater is just about pulling and terminating wires.


2009 could very well turn out to be the BEST CEDIA tradeshow in a long time. Quite simply, we will not subject you to a typical boring educational Home Theater Demo. We will not talk about why things look and sound so good...... That's Old School. We are going to give CEDIA Attendees something that they will remember for a long time, and it won't involve a live Strip Tease performance from Demi Moore!.....Although that would certainly be my demo choice for a CEDIA Trade Show!

Our PURPOSE is to give you the best HOME THEATER DEMONSTRATION that will "WOW" the most demanding CEDIA Attendee!


Don't miss out on all the action! Visit Booth 6235 and experience CINEPRO, SMX SCREENS & BARCO PROJECTION... presenting:


"The Greatest Show at CEDIA 2009!"


P.S. Oh by the way, you didn't think Megan Fox would be appearing in person, did you?



About Cinepro
With its corporate headquarters in Mount Sinai, NY - Cinepro Inc. oversees it's facilities, on the East and West coasts. They continue to produce the finest sounding and the most realistic home theater sound systems only understood by those who have had the opportunity to "EXPERIENCE" a proper demo. Cinepro's V.P. Gus Cossifos states: "when you totally WOW & Impress, Theo Kalomirakis of TK Theaters, Robert Kaufman of Audio Command Systems, George and Robert Bliss of Bliss Home Theaters & Automation, Inc. with just one 5 minute demomonstration you know you have something really, really special." These guys have designed Hundreds of million dollar theaters and they don't impress easily. It's not by accident that we are impressing and Wowing guys like Theo, Robert Kaufman, Robert and George Bliss. Michael J. Panicci, Pres. and Gus Cossifos continue to push forward making "The Home Theater Experience" out of this world.



Theo Kalomirakis..has been regarded as the "Father of Home Theater". He has created some of the world's finest private home theaters. His designs and reputation are known throughout the world.

" Amazing sound that is Extremely dynamic, crystal clear and very realistic. If you are serious about Home Theater you must audition Cinepro, Words simply can not justify the Cinepro "Experience".
Robert Kaufman

of Audio Command Systems, voted America's Top Audio Video Integrator several years by CePro.
" Just one 5 minute demo clip convinced me that Cinepro is a must have. It was an easy decision and is an impressive addition to ACS. "


Robert C. Bliss, Jr. & George Bliss of Bliss Home Theaters & Automation, Inc. Recipient of Robb Report "Installation of the Year" & Crestron's "Ultimate Connected Home" 05 & 06!


" How do you describe to someone what it feels like to ride in a Ferrari at a 180 mph? The same lies true when you try to tell someone what a Cinepro system sounds like in a 7000 cubic foot room at a 115+ db!! Powerful, detailed, smooth, visceral and amazing just doesn't seem to cut it!!. "

Dr. Constantine (Gus) E. Cossifos V.P.

Experience What You've BeenMissing!
914-879-2286
www.cinepro.com
gus@cinepro.com

Exciting, I understand getting everything just right. CEDIA has been in the past the why in the hell didn't they do it right show IMO.

Art

Art...Cinepro does do a very fine amp. Well built, well designed. Functional, not pretty.

Well built, well designed. Functional, not pretty.

Just the way I like my electronics.. and how I used to like my women. Fortunately my woman (fiance) is pretty AND functional. :p

The back row Bar is an invention of mine, actually more of a discovery in viewing environment design that happened accidentally when 4 girls (2 swedish and 2 brazilians) decided out of the blue that it would be best to cut down a wall and make a Viewing Bar at my former Ocean Drive Viewing Room. The details Art make sure to ask me in private.:D



Originally the idea was to have a booth with the open access viewing Bar at the rear and a VIP section in the front, since the booth was conceived initially for video only and then later when cinepro got on board, now Gus wants to be able to control the showings so the Bar and the front two rows have been integrated.


The bar is a great way to watch and have fun with friends. In the future as every video projector and screen manufacturer exhibiting at a show uses the viewing bar in the rear, you will know where the humble beginnings of this peculiar viewing space planning concept came from.:D

State of the art acoustically transparent masking screens, Mix Mode reference grade In-wall surround sound systems, and contrast optimized DCI compliant projectors to debut at CEDIA 2009 - Booth 6235.

Coconut Creek, FL - Mount Sinai, NY - Miami, FL - (August 10, 2009 )

This is not your typical cubicle partition booth.”-Says Ruben Ortiz, founder of SmX Cinema Solutions, Corp. “This is a light controlled acoustically optimized cabin showcasing a scaled version of our next generation large-room audio video ensemble.” The Temple of Home Theater features the critically acclaimed SMX PROMASK-QUAD 4 way masking screen fitted with the latest SMX 4K acoustically transparent CineWeave woven surface which experts describe as appearing impermeable from a close-by vantage point.

In addition, SMX will be showcasing five different fixed and masking screen models including the ProMask-Curv two-way curved masking screen, the ProMask-CH two-way flat masking screen, the ProLine flat fixed projection screen and the ProCurv curved fixed projection screen. SMX will also be introducing the industries first affordable manual masking option the PRO-PANELS for masking flat and curved fixed projection screens.


CINEPRO will be showcasing new editions to their high powered AFM Speaker System. With over 10,000 watts it will effortlessly exceed reference levels without compression, distortion, or any signs of ear fatigue, while hidden behind the high resolution acoustically transparent SmX masking screen.

Michael Panicci, Pres. and DR. Constantine Gus Cossifos, V.P., will be introducing their NEW 15 HVV Subwoofers which provide a more powerful level of bass output and have a significant advantage over industry standard sealed and vented designs. They are faster, tighter, more faithful to the input signal and play louder with greater impact. Cannons, depth charges, gun shots and explosions will attain new levels of realism and authority.


CINERAMAX will be showcasing a SUPERKONTRAST modified BARCO DP-1200 with exclusive convergence and lamp focus adjustability. It yields double the native contrast of this celebrated platform while the Depth FX patented LUTs enhances dimensionaliSation. “We look forward to bring an earnest alternative to the practice of projector re-branding so prevalent in the high end consumer projector arena”.

Only three manufacturers are licensed to do Cinema DLP, this precludes their re-badging by consumer DLP brands because DCI compliant projectors, whose optics and electronics are superior to the 1080p category commonly re-baptized, legally cannot be re-branded. Thus we offer the CEDIA Home Theater installer/designers a more transparent value-added business model with an image superior to solutions costing 5 times its price.

“Together with Moving image Technologies' online monitoring and diagnostics we take advantage of BARCOs global 3-D digital cinema rollout infrastructure with their spare parts module dispatch and a global network of certified technicians to achieve the best possible support to critical screening rooms everywhere” says Peter Montoulieu a co-founder of CEDIA and Technical Director, CINERAMAX LLC.

“We call upon those fervent believers of home theater that will be making their pilgrimage to CEDIA this year to experience true joy and glory at the TEMPLE OF HOME THEATER. May you find the peace that comes with renewing your faith in high technology.” –Gus Cossifos, VP CINEPRO.[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Location in the ghost hall C:
http://miamibadc.com/Images/Locate.jpg

You can see it is light controlled.



Here is the Movie Theater pre-show dlp from MiT



And really although the Barco is a good platform it would be woefully inadequate without the precise combination of Superkontrast and depth FX intellectual property jointly developed through MIT and us over a period of 18 months. When I hear someone wants to copy the same idea, believing that they will make their own gamma curves the hairs on the back of my neck get raised. There is only ONE possible Patented LUT that will make this projector do what it does, I feel running this projector at Rec 709 for HT is under utilizing the projector.

http://miamibadc.com/Images/Sign-Conceptual.jpg

A very novel Spike arrestor designed for the Cinema Projector rack actually tells you the history of how many spikes have been thwarted.

http://miamibadc.com/Images/Superkontrast_Spike_Arrester.jpg

Great news: The Pr-650 has been upgraded to the more expensive 5nm wavelength mode.

Relief.;)

Gus's system:

http://www.cinepro.com/AFM-IWS-LitSpecsPage1-2_082708z.pdf

The bar is a great way to watch and have fun with friends. In the future as every video projector and screen manufacturer exhibiting at a show uses the viewing bar in the rear, you will know where the humble beginnings of this peculiar viewing space planning concept came from.:D

Peter, I was at a friend house last week for the "maiden voyage" of his new HT. He had one of these bars behind 2 rows of seats. I arrived a bit late so had to stand at the bar. There was still a great viewing angle, but the ability to amass huge quantities of beer and wings was a massive bonus. I have already got my installer on the case. It really is that good. I will NEVER have an HT again that does not include one.

You have, on more than one occasion, accused me of being a control freak. The bar will allow me to forgo my "money seat" and stand at the rear watching for any fidgeting, talking or another behaviors that I have prohibited by my guests. A laser pointer shone on an armrest would indicate to any miscreant that they are under scrutiny. I think this may revolutionize my HT experience. I can now change my title from "Der Wirt" to "Der Kommandant". I will have a suitable badge made next week.

You hit the nail right in the head, perhaps and from my experience with the above consorts uber gruppen something may be in order. :D:D

As the Superkontrast works it's way to South Florida so does this gal....

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT02/refresh/AL0209W5_NL_sm2+gif/085915W5_NL_sm.gif

This means it is heading straight into the loft.
http://miamibadc.com/Images/KZulu.jpg

Peter,

I will be on the show floor from the Tuesday evening onwards so will wander over and introduce myself.

I just hope for you that the fabric SMX are showing is better than the laughably poor "4K" they showed at CEDIA UK.

This is this the second time in as many weeks I have heard someone claim to have invented the "bar at the back" concept - perhaps we should all just agree that it works well and leave it at that:D

I just hope for you that the fabric SMX are showing is better than the laughably poor "4K" they showed at CEDIA UK.

Great look forward to meeting you Neil. Apparently Ruben had heard of your comment previously because he had assembled a test board.
Your 4k comment is interesting because I actually saw 3 swatches of the screen company you auspice, and the laughably part was in role reversal to what you describe. :DPerhaps you guys are laughing at different things. :D Testament that sense of humour appears to run rampant among members of the woven screen community.;)

I saw what appeared to be a cotton see through shirt material that you guys market as 4K. It is definitely organic in nature. It was too "see-through" in comparison to the pvc weave variety ( i was told this would trap dust overtime clogging the holes), hence it's going to be "Progressively darker" than 1 gain over time. In all fairness I did not see it on a 4k projector just 1080p, maybe it works great on lcos, but I do not enorse LCOS, even the SONY Digital Cinema Lcos. We already have a plan for installers that want to have 4k dlp installed it involves the DP3000 series 2, if you want you can buy the DP-4000 (or whatever the model number for the Barco 4K) We know how much it is going to cost, Mit will take back the 2k DP3000s2 and replace it with the 4k when it comes out in 2011.


The other synthetic samples from your group were also darker than the control group from the SMX, one of yours also had a parallel diagonal pattern of some sort that could be seen from 10 feet or so.

I am just being the messenger on this, so please...;)

Your 4k comment is interesting because I actually saw 3 swatches of the screen company you auspice, and the laughably part was in role reversal to what you describe. :DPerhaps you guys are laughing at different things. :D Testament that sense of humour appears to run rampant among members of the woven screen community.;)

:p

With speakers, it is always amazing to me how much nice margin and a good commercial story can improve the sound quality that you hear in before and after demos!

Who knows, perhaps screens share this difficult to explain trait - perhaps we should call it psycho visual phenomena!!! :eek:

I promise to have an open mind in any case since I am curious to see the big Barco with mods in place especially since I will have the Belgians with me.

Peter,
Gus teamed with JVC , I think,some years ago at CEDIA. The volume was so high with extremely strident high frequency output that it was painful to sit through. I hope you won't let that happern in your booth. When I came out everyone was just shaking their heads at how rediculously loud it was.:(

Art

The booth is currently setup with a Preshow custom DELTA made MiT oem Cinema 1 chip (Which would be great for a GARDEN PROJECTOR AS IT IS VERY BRIGHT AND CHEAP). For a 7 grand unit thing will light up the wall of china, with really good content I was floored but with lesser content the noise shows because of the brightness; it also has adaptive Contrast which does not seem to breathe, and the rainbows are way less visible than in Joe Kanes projector playing the violin scene of the Dolby Demo Disc.

DC2:confused: 3K lumens, so that 7K$ represents the expected premium for 1080P over XGA, or discount to WXGAs for its lower lightoutput rating.

Peter,
Gus teamed with JVC , I think,some years ago at CEDIA. The volume was so high with extremely strident high frequency output that it was painful to sit through. I hope you won't let that happern in your booth. When I came out everyone was just shaking their heads at how rediculously loud it was.:(

Art
He has been warned:). With the little system the sound is not strident though so we are cautiously optimistic about the big one.

Looking forward to this one.

Just in case it wasn't clear to anybody, the Megan Fox thing was just a teaser and according to that she won't be stopping by. Somebody is probably planning on showing something from Transformers though.

Give her a few years and she might be doing booth appearances at tradeshows. :)

--Darin

Somebody is probably planning on showing something from Transformers though.


--Darin

Not the first one... If someone can get an early release of the second maybe then.;)

Had to google that name, but by the looks of it it isn't the serious ass this Gus promises;-).

http://www.cinepro.com/AFM-IWS-LitSpecsPage1-2_082708z.pdf

Look because I hooked up genelec with the most prestigious job upcoming in florida for a sports superhero, they were willing to give me anything I wanted, but Ruben had to splurge making the booth hurricane proof and we had to bring a contributing partner; in all fairness Ruben and Gus had been taliking about doing this for 2 years too.

I believe you will be pleasantly surprised being "Crushed by Cinepro", in any event I shall by working the booth full time God willing so forward and questions, requests and complaints to me. I may have a spare set of CINERAMAX Brand ear plugs just in case.:D

Great freaking news, this is a first in the history of DCI projectors, lamp is d-65 native right from the get go, this means one less color correction mod and the highest possible rec 709 (higher than DCI) contrast; that is a first .

The back row Bar is an invention of mine.

And it seems half the people in the home theatre build forum. and a friend of mine here in the bay and one in toronto... etc.

Give her a few years and she might be doing booth appearances at tradeshows.

haha!

And it seems half the people in the home theatre build forum. and a friend of mine here in the bay and one in toronto... etc.

And those retro '20s re-creations of Kalimaris all had a balustrate, and studio set-ups only have a mixing/control panel accorss part of the room the rest was 'bar' style seperation.

Yeah but mine was invented impromptu by a Leloo lookalike, a Brooke Shields lookalike, a Tracy Lords lookalike and a voluptuous Brazilian bombshell , them operating the reciprocating saw while wearing bikinis and full of sand, knocking the top of the wall and screwing the plank bar. I think my original art is the most memorable. They just wanted a place to put their champagne glasses while watching and bullshiitting.

I meant special guest Ms Fox, I would venture she is better known for her front ass, which is indeed seriously proportioned.

Now put that on Vimeo, instead of old dudes expousing about some super kontrast;-).

Originally Posted by CINERAMAX
The back row Bar is an invention of mine.
The prospect of owing Peter royalties back to 1993 is really annoying. I'm still paying off Al Gore on that dadburn internet thingy (should have kept the arpanet).

I am feeling generous. I will settle for you paying dinner at Cedia.

Here are pics of the two original co-conspirators but they are decent in this pic.

And it seems half the people in the home theatre build forum. and a friend of mine here in the bay and one in toronto... etc.

I know of at least 3 in Toronto, and 2 in NYC.

Looks like Peter was pretty liberal with licensing his IP. :D:D

I don't think they were genuine Cineramax bars though, they were either knockoffs or re-badges.:D:D

Imagine one looking exactly likethis one with the hammer...
http://retrocrush.buzznet.com/babes/tracilords/59.jpg

One looking like this one with the electric saw...(sans orange hair)
http://www.deziland.com/images/leeloo.jpg

and these two holding the wall...ALL IN BIKINIS and full of sand.

http://miamibadc.com/Images/Brazilians.jpg

Now that is an auspicious moment in HT history.

Right next to these buildings were the Swedish gals lived.
http://images.activehotels.com/images/hotel/max300/989/989918.jpg

across from this TOPLESS beach where I met Leeloo:

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/29/96/04/miami-beach.jpg

ocean front park

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/29/96/02/miami-beach.jpg

I am feeling generous. I will settle for you paying dinner at Cedia.


Great. I understand Waffle House has steaks. :)

TOPLESS Beach, hmm, aren't all beaches TOPLESS, squeemish Americans, LOL.

Peter,

I just hope for you that the fabric SMX are showing is better than the laughably poor "4K" they showed at CEDIA UK.

Funny, we didn't show a 4K surface at Cedia UK.

Ruben

Hi Rueben,

That is precisely how the screen material was described to me so my apologies if I have based my impression on incorrect data. I guess you will be on the booth with Peter and so I look forward to making your acquaintance during the show.

Neil

Do the licencing fees float based on the height of the bar?

the one i knew in toronto was where a guy had installed a Hughes JVC 335 and i ended up being the calibrator. he thought the setup was the coolest crap he had ever seen. i had to come to a few parties to bring the grid up and adjust a few things and answer questions as to why it was so kick ass...

It was terribly depressing though... that much money in the room and then analyzing my own net worth... Good wine though!

Yeah but mine was invented impromptu by a Leloo lookalike, a Brooke Shields lookalike, a Tracy Lords lookalike and a voluptuous Brazilian bombshell , them operating the reciprocating saw while wearing bikinis and full of sand, knocking the top of the wall and screwing the plank bar. I think my original art is the most memorable. They just wanted a place to put their champagne glasses while watching and bullshiitting.

And now that idea is being sold by a theater designer lookalike?

Hi Peter, that looks like it is across the street from my HGVC timeshare 1430 Ocean Drive

And now that idea is being sold by a theater designer lookalike?

An award winner Theater designer lookalike. Nut man.

Great. I understand Waffle House has steaks. :)


As a matter of fact with enough H57 sauce(which they have) they aren't that bad.:D

Imagine one looking exactly likethis one with the hammer...
http://retrocrush.buzznet.com/babes/tracilords/59.jpg

One looking like this one with the electric saw...(sans orange hair)
http://www.deziland.com/images/leeloo.jpg

and these two holding the wall...ALL IN BIKINIS and full of sand.

http://miamibadc.com/Images/Brazilians.jpg

Now that is an auspicious moment in HT history.

Right next to these buildings were the Swedish gals lived.
http://images.activehotels.com/images/hotel/max300/989/989918.jpg

across from this TOPLESS beach where I met Leeloo:

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/29/96/04/miami-beach.jpg

ocean front park

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/29/96/02/miami-beach.jpg


For someone that finds Gus' approach sexist I surely seem to have decnded to the level.;)


I have NO Problem with that approach. Don't you love beautiful women? Good Music/Movies, Great Food & Drink and Beautiful Hot women......Oh I forgot Fast Cars!

Slow cars are nice as well, Unimog rulez!

I have NO Problem with that approach. Don't you love beautiful women? Good Music/Movies, Great Food & Drink and Beautiful Hot women......Oh I forgot Fast Cars!

This reminds me of the line from Blazing Saddles where the bad guy says rape twice.:D

Art

This reminds me of the line from Blazing Saddles where the bad guy says rape twice.:D

Art

'Chewin' gum on line eh? I hope you brought enough for everybody!'

I did not know this > > > "Peter Montoulieu a co-founder of CEDIA"

In addition I took the time to visit the Cinepro site and agree 100% the new speaker line has got some real ass...

Taggart: I got it. I got it.
Hedley Lamarr: You do?
Taggart: We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em.
Hedley Lamarr: "Number 6"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one...
Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
Taggart: NAW. We rape the **** out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on.
Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous.

He has been warned:). With the little system the sound is not strident though so we are cautiously optimistic about the big one.

Peter,
Read Robert's Impression of the Home Entertainment Show 2007. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

http://www.rfowkes.com/html/hes_2007_nyc_impressions.html

" And what made it even more astounding was the fact that once the demonstration ended something else that usually is present in such situations was missing; there was absolutely no ringing of the ears. Gus explained that sound only hurts when distortion is present so the absence of pain is in direct proportion to the absence of impure audio. He further stated that the Cinepro team was running the demonstration an average of 70 times each day (or over 200 times during the show) and that nobody on his staff had any ill effects from the audio onslaught.
And I can offer personal evidence to back this up. My significant other (who accompanied me to the show) has very sensitive ears. While she appreciates good sound she can’t normally handle loud sound so she always carries a pair of ear plugs with her as a defense during these shows. After listening to Gus’ pre-demo talk she decided to test him out and forego the ear plugs unless things got too rough (a very appropriate word here!) The first words out of her mouth at the conclusion of the very aggressive demonstration (sans ear plugs) were, “My ears don’t hurt!!” This was a genuine, unsolicited reaction to what had just occurred and Gus heard her and replied, “Thank you! That’s what I was talking about.” And I noticed that several others in the audience, including myself, had the same reaction to the sound. It was probably the loudest sound we had ever heard (except, perhaps, for a couple of controlled explosions from my Chemistry teaching days) and it was also the least irritating."

Playing loud with non distortion is what I look for in a good HT. I blew a tweeter in a surround speaker recently and the entire experince is hampered by it.

The best demo I ever heard was at CES about 7 years ago from CAT. I think it was California Audio Technologies. Very good, loud with excellent surround. My system plays loud and clear and makes movies come alive, but I was considering some of the behind the screen speakers from Genelec or ATC as it makes for a cleaner looking theater. And I was told they play loud and clear as well.

Joey

CLM :

Thank you, I can confirm that that is the case with the smaller system, which is really big enough for most peoples rooms. It is a fascinating quality, specially without the grit I PERSONALLY FIND WITH HORN BASED SYSTEMS.

Subsequent to the above comment of being optimistic which was made after only one half setup listening session, we did further listening, this time IT WAS ME cranking the volume (and doing the crushing;))on some music videos, I felt in the venue, the system is amazing. It actually made the picture appear better (and I have said that phenomenom to be an impossibility before), for a 7k projector the spectacle was incredible.

As hard as it is to admit I have been wrong with OPRM'S (other peoples research money) I have been forced to recognize that all my years of research with the ML and Dynaudio were probably for naught, a waste . I could have just popped this system and call it a day;and have delivered my clients a better overall solution. I am really looking forward to the arrayed system with more channels and more power.:D

So there you see my forum associates, I CINERAMAX just did a complete turnaround in public again. Let no one accuse me of ever promoting something I don't truly believe in... ...or viceversa.:D


Now for the 12.1 channel system....

felt in the venue, the system is amazing. It actually made the picture appear better (and I have said that phenomenom to be an impossibility before),

The affect of audio quality on PERCEIVED video quality and vice versa is well documented.

Does that mean you're going to reverse yourself on the perceived quality of Waffle House due to the quality of A1? :D

Playing loud with non distortion is what I look for in a good HT. I blew a tweeter in a surround speaker recently and the entire experince is hampered by it.

The best demo I ever heard was at CES about 7 years ago from CAT. I think it was California Audio Technologies. Very good, loud with excellent surround. My system plays loud and clear and makes movies come alive, but I was considering some of the behind the screen speakers from Genelec or ATC as it makes for a cleaner looking theater. And I was told they play loud and clear as well.

Joey

I'm not sure how loud you listen (especially considering that you blew a SURROUND tweeter!) but the ATC is great in the way that the character doesn't change as the volume goes up. I'm sure there are louder speakers out there but my ATCs play as loud as I like and are pretty darn enjoyable at high volumes...

Taggart: I got it. I got it.
Hedley Lamarr: You do?
Taggart: We'll work up a "Number 6" on 'em.
Hedley Lamarr: "Number 6"? I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that one...
Taggart: Well, that's where we go a-ridin' into town, a whampin' and whompin' every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Hedley Lamarr: You spare the women?
Taggart: NAW. We rape the **** out of them at the Number 6 Dance later on.
Hedley Lamarr: Marvelous.

Great to see the BS fan's around and well.:)

Art

CMT had it on the other day and they bleep the hell out of it. what is so pathetic is that when you have a movie with such massive and PLAINLY OBVIOUS satire yet the nits still feel that it has to be bleeped to protect the kids. oy vay!

CMT had it on the other day and they bleep the hell out of it. what is so pathetic is that when you have a movie with such massive and PLAINLY OBVIOUS satire yet the nits still feel that it has to be bleeped to protect the kids. oy vay!

"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons."

:D:D

I'm not sure how loud you listen (especially considering that you blew a SURROUND tweeter!) but the ATC is great in the way that the character doesn't change as the volume goes up. I'm sure there are louder speakers out there but my ATCs play as loud as I like and are pretty darn enjoyable at high volumes...

Have visited both Genelec here in MA and an ATC dealer in CT and after having lived with audiophile approved speakers (Kharma, Aerial, Dynaudio Temptations, Wilson Maxx2, Avantgarde Horns, B&W 800's etc etc) and having heard the usual other suspects like Rockport, Magico and VonSchweikert since the late 80's am considering doing something I've never considered and going the powered speaker pro route.

The surprising thing about these speakers is that they image way better than their big box nature would suggest. For me one of my highest audio priorities are that the speaker disappear and in conventional speakers big and boxy usually means cabinet diffractions that clue you into the source. The big Genelecs I heard just disappeared and threw a massive soundstage, were incredibly detailed, transparent and cleanly dynamic with body and subjectively beyond even the best of the high end conventional speakers.

These designs are wonderful in that they are, as with ATC 3 way triamped and the crossovers are built around the drivers with amplification stage being optimized for each individual driver as well as the entire amp/transducer chain. Loud and clean is refreshing when you hear it done properly.

I'm planning another trip to Genelec HQ and going to bring a better source as they were using a 10+ year old DVD player (Pio elite-not sure of the model) but it still sounded stunning. My only complaint is that images were a little larger than real life (which i like), they are a little forward (which I don't) and there may not have been the 3D depth sense of some of the higher end speakers. Not sure because of the source though as mentioned but all they do well more than make up for those idiosyncracies

CLM :

Thank you, I can confirm that that is the case with the smaller system, which is really big enough for most peoples rooms. It is a fascinating quality, specially without the grit I PERSONALLY FIND WITH HORN BASED SYSTEMS.

Subsequent to the above comment of being optimistic which was made after only one half setup listening session, we did further listening, this time IT WAS ME cranking the volume (and doing the crushing;))on some music videos, I felt in the venue, the system is amazing. It actually made the picture appear better (and I have said that phenomenom to be an impossibility before), for a 7k projector the spectacle was incredible.

As hard as it is to admit I have been wrong with OPRM'S (other peoples research money) I have been forced to recognize that all my years of research with the ML and Dynaudio were probably for naught, a waste . I could have just popped this system and call it a day;and have delivered my clients a better overall solution. I am really looking forward to the arrayed system with more channels and more power.:D

So there you see my forum associates, I CINERAMAX just did a complete turnaround in public again. Let no one accuse me of ever promoting something I don't truly believe in... ...or viceversa.:D


Now for the 12.1 channel system....

Peter,
I agree with you, I'm not a fan of the sound of Horn Based Systems. Ear fatigue sets in quickly when listening longer than 15 minutes at moderate to loud levels.

Looking forward to see and hear your setup at CEDIA.

The big Genelecs I heard just disappeared and threw a massive soundstage, were incredibly detailed, transparent and cleanly dynamic with body and subjectively beyond even the best of the high end conventional speakers.

Welcome to the ranks of the enlightened.:)

I will be posting soon on my impressions of the biggest Genelec, Dynaudio, Quested and Adam units. It may be of interest to you.


I'm planning another trip to Genelec HQ and going to bring a better source as they were using a 10+ year old DVD player (Pio elite-not sure of the model) but it still sounded stunning.

I would certainly have them arrange for a BDP, or bring your own. There are some incredible soundtracks out there that demo the Genelecs really well. As for music, you know better than anyone what you like.

...got a warehouse full of big genelecs ... want some? :D

...got a warehouse full of big genelecs ... want some? :D

There's something strangely familiar about that.:D:D

....actually, a shipment for a client just arrived. We need to uncrate, test, install the amps in the racks and wire up the racks before we ship off for install. Glad we have a freight dock. :D Anybody getting these things the crates are big and heavy ... some more than 400lbs!

Gus's system:

http://www.cinepro.com/AFM-IWS-LitSpecsPage1-2_082708z.pdf

From a distance the tweeters look like Scan Speak AirCirc Revelators. Eight of those in one device would be hard to beat.

Great news: The Pr-650 has been upgraded to the more expensive 5nm wavelength mode.

Relief.;)

Peter would the new $10K MicroSpec XL, be good enough for your Tip 7 stuff? Not sure how much this Photo Reseach 650 is, but Progressive Labs is pitting its new high sensor count meter against the $20K Minolta CS 2000 (not the improved and even higher priced 2000A, as that apparently still leads the pack).

One of Holland's leading calibrators just upgraded to this meter, so the vendor is supporting his client by answering questions on the client's forum: http://www.htforum.nl/yabbse/index.php?topic=91404.

...got a warehouse full of big genelecs ... want some? :D

Dennis, they sound heavy, which is OK. Is it true they can double as space heaters? My AC is borderline for the room as it is, I'll certainly have to upgrade the condenser I would guess if I end up doing this.

Welcome to the ranks of the enlightened.:)

I will be posting soon on my impressions of the biggest Genelec, Dynaudio, Quested and Adam units. It may be of interest to you.



CM - will keep my eyes open for it. Been having limited time to visit here as the new startup has been cannibalizing available discretionary bandwith. :D

They're not cool; but, the amps are in the rack which keeps heat out of your theater space.