I am looking to pick up a new projector and I was fairly certain I was going with the RS10 but after hearing about the blowout deal AVS is having with the RS2 I am reconsidering. Especially since it will save me about 1.5K.

Room is about 12' x 22' and fairly light controlled. Screen is 105" Seymour AV. I am going to use it mostly for movies and xbox but also some tv and very little sports.

So far I have:

RS10:
- More expensive
- Curent technology
- Brighter
- Fully motorized lens

RS2:
- Better black levels
- Cheaper!
- Older

My biggest point of concern is the lower brightness.

Is there anything else I should be looking for, consider? Give me your thoughts. Thanks!

RS10 if you dont might spending the cash.

Since the RS10 is soon to be discontinued - I assume you mean the new 550 (see other theads on this forum).

I am in the same position - have light controlled room with 108" 16:9 AT screen with gain of 0.9-1.0.

For me, the RS2 with a brand new bulb would properly (15FC) illuminate my screen; however, as the bulb ages, my illumination would drop. Furthermore, we often like some lights on for sports or video games and as such, the RS2 misses the mark a bit.

For me, the RS10 and its successor, will give me more versatility as the bulb ages and as we want to view with ambient light.

That being said, the RS2 is a bargain at the refurb price from AVS.

Of course, once I get more brightness I will likely increase the screen size and lose the aformentioned benefits!

db

Supposedly the RS2 is brighter than the RS10 in best mode IF you calibrate your RS10 for best black levels by closing it's iris. I went through this same decision in the spring between the RS2 and the Pioneer FPJ1. If you get a Dalite HP screen you will not have any issues with brightness. I have a 106" screen and it's very bright with my Pioneer in normal lamp mode (not on high) and it still have great blacks!

You could save the $1500 and put it towards a newer projector down the road. Just a thought.

Supposedly the RS2 is brighter than the RS10 in best mode IF you calibrate your RS10 for best black levels by closing it's iris.

The JVC website lists the contrast ratio of the RS10 as 30,000:1, but is this native or with the iris closed all the way down? And the RS2 does this without an iris?

The JVC website lists the contrast ratio of the RS10 as 30,000:1, but is this native or with the iris closed all the way down?

Yes, it's native and with the iris all the way closed down. The RSx0 have static, adjustable irises, these are very different in effect than the dynamic irises I think you are thinking of. What it means is the iris is in a fixed position (unless you're adjusting it) and it not used by the projector to change brightness on the fly like a dynamic system does.

Thus the CR truly is "native", though with an adjustable iris you have the option to pick the compromise between brightness and contrast that best fits your room.

And the RS2 does this without an iris?

The RS2 probably has an iris too, but it's fixed and not user-adjustable.

Basically it just means the RS10 gives you the option to sacrifice brightness for CR performance, (or the reverse) where the RS2 is what it is, essentially.

My recommendation would be to either get the RS2 on the deal now or wait until IFA (September 4th in Europe) or CEDIA (September 10th in the US) to decide what to do.

--Darin

Not sure when the new projectors will be coming out even though Jason Turk said he should be receiving one before Cedia. Typically, if JVC annouces in September (CEdia) you wont see the model being sold until sometime between January - March. For all I know they could be releasing earlier than that but if they do their typical deal, you are going to have to wait 6-7 months until you see the new model

As for between the RS10 and RS2, if you have the money, i would probably go with the RS10, but if money is an issue (when isnt it?) the RS2 is fantastic way to go

dbbarron: I did mean the RS10. Didnt know about it being discontinued, I will have to look into this. If this means I can get a deal on the RS10 over the 550 should I? This seems to be the same question as the RS2 vs the RS10 in reverse!

darinp2: Why do you recommend the RS2 over the RS10? Any particular reason?

darinp2: Why do you recommend the RS2 over the RS10? Any particular reason?It isn't that I'm recommending the RS2 over the RS10, it is that I think the RS2 deal may be a short time offer (when they are gone they are gone, at least for a little while) and you save some money with that one, which CEDIA isn't likely to change that significantly. That is, I don't see CEDIA causing RS2 prices to drop that much. But the RS10 is "current technology" as you said, which quickly becomes the old technology as soon as the new ones come out and CEDIA could give us a great idea about when a replacement model will be available. If it is September like I think somebody posted then RS10 prices could drop and/or used RS10s and RS20s could become available in September. At this point it is less than 3 weeks to IFA and less than 4 weeks to CEDIA.

Put another way, I think the new projectors could have a bigger impact to RS10 pricing than RS2 pricing (especially compared to the deal AVScience has on the RS2). So, if you want an RS2 I don't see as much reason to wait. If you want the RS10 then I would suggest waiting. About the worst that could happen in the latter case is you can't find an RS10 and have to buy the replacement model, although I think it is unlikely you couldn't find an RS10 then, especially if you are willing to buy used.

The above assumes normal pricing for an RS10 right now. If you know of some super special deal on an RS10 below normal street prices for them that won't be around in 3 weeks then my advice would change.

--Darin

If you can wait the 3-4 weeks,do so! If you can't wait....get the RS-2 deal from AVS. As soon as you pull the trigger on any projector,it becomes out of date and starts losing value...so buying at below market price allows you to have a little left over for the wonderful new stuff around the corner limiting your depreciation!;) JB

It isn't that I'm recommending the RS2 over the RS10, it is that I think the RS2 deal may be a short time offer (when they are gone they are gone, at least for a little while) and you save some money with that one, which CEDIA isn't likely to change that significantly. That is, I don't see CEDIA causing RS2 prices to drop that much. But the RS10 is "current technology" as you said, which quickly becomes the old technology as soon as the new ones come out and CEDIA could give us a great idea about when a replacement model will be available. If it is September like I think somebody posted then RS10 prices could drop and/or used RS10s and RS20s could become available in September. At this point it is less than 3 weeks to IFA and less than 4 weeks to CEDIA.

Put another way, I think the new projectors could have a bigger impact to RS10 pricing than RS2 pricing (especially compared to the deal AVScience has on the RS2). So, if you want an RS2 I don't see as much reason to wait. If you want the RS10 then I would suggest waiting. About the worst that could happen in the latter case is you can't find an RS10 and have to buy the replacement model, although I think it is unlikely you couldn't find an RS10 then, especially if you are willing to buy used.

The above assumes normal pricing for an RS10 right now. If you know of some super special deal on an RS10 below normal street prices for them that won't be around in 3 weeks then my advice would change.

--Darin

Darin,
I was actually waiting for the RS10 but the RS2 deal at AVS made me rethink my choice. Yes I am hoping for a price drop during CEDIA after the 550 comes out. But usually it takes a while after the announcements for the product to hit the shelves. So I dont know how long it will be before we start seeing the RS10's and RS20's dropping in price.

How bright of a pic do you want?

Personally, I was happy with my Pioneer FPJ1 when I first got it on a neutral gain screen until I saw it on an HP Dalite screen. I am using mine on normal lamp (not high) mode. If you like a bright pic you might like the RS10 or the replacement coming out over the RS2. It all depends on your personal preferences.

How bright of a pic do you want?

Personally, I was happy with my Pioneer FPJ1 when I first got it on a neutral gain screen until I saw it on an HP Dalite screen. I am using mine on normal lamp (not high) mode. If you like a bright pic you might like the RS10 or the replacement coming out over the RS2. It all depends on your personal preferences.

Bright picture concerns me only because there is bound to be some ambient light and I don't want it to look washed out. While I can achieve near total darkness, even during daylight, its improbable that will be the case most of the time because its an apartment and the projector is going to be in the living room. So there is certainly going to be some traffic.

Also since I am using an AT screen there is going to be some loss of brightness because of that.

I guess this thread is moot now, looks like the RS2 blowout has blown over. I think its better that way, I am leaning towards the RS10 anyway :)

Anyone know any deals on it? Is AVS going to have a sale on the RS10 as well?

JVC has announced new projectors. The HD550, HD950, and HD990. I assume these will replace the RS10 and RS20 so if you are willing to wait the prices on the RS10 MIGHT come down. More details on the new models should come out around CEDIA time next month.

I guess this thread is moot now, looks like the RS2 blowout has blown over. I think its better that way, I am leaning towards the RS10 anyway :)

From a post in another thread, it looks like there will be a second shipment of the refurbed RS2s. Maybe Jason can confirm (or deny) this.

Basically it just means the RS10 gives you the option to sacrifice brightness for CR performance, (or the reverse) where the RS2 is what it is, essentially.

Thanks for that explaination. I think I am going to wait to see if there is a price reduction on the RS10/20's to get the adjustable iris, powered zoom/focus, and some other features not available on the RS2.

Yup I think I will wait for a possible price reduction in the RS10. Someone, why am I not doing this?, should ask Jason if AVS is going to come out with a deal for the RS10 like they did for the RS2.

Yup I think I will wait for a possible price reduction in the RS10. Someone, why am I not doing this?, should ask Jason if AVS is going to come out with a deal for the RS10 like they did for the RS2.
The RS2 deal was for B stock. JVC may have some B stock on the RS10 or RS20 that they want to unload through AV Science some day. It could be a long time from now, though. I believe JVC unloaded some B stock RS1s through AV Science as well.

The RS2 deal was for B stock. JVC may have some B stock on the RS10 or RS20 that they want to unload through AV Science some day. It could be a long time from now, though. I believe JVC unloaded some B stock RS1s through AV Science as well.

Yup I noticed they were for B stock but they came with full manufacturers warranty. What exactly does B stock mean other than refurbished? Will they come with a new bulb as well?

Yup I noticed they were for B stock but they came with full manufacturers warranty. What exactly does B stock mean other than refurbished? Will they come with a new bulb as well?
I was not disparaging them in any way, only trying to point out that the availability of RS1s and then RS2s at really good prices occurred because JVC wanted to unload some B stock...it did not occur because a new release was about to make an earlier release outdated. I thought you might have been hoping there might be a similar deal on the RS10 this fall, just because of the new release.

I don't know if the bulb is new. Maybe someone who bought a B stock projector in the past will comment.

Yup I noticed they were for B stock but they came with full manufacturers warranty. What exactly does B stock mean other than refurbished? Will they come with a new bulb as well?

Got the B-stock RS2 last week, lamp hour shows 0 but who knows if JVC reset it as there's no way to tell since the service menu won't show lamp usage. On the other hand, it could be a brand new unit.

Let just say it has plenty of lumen, i got migraine headache the next morning, and now I am thinking of a ND filter. :p

This Pj is easily calibrated to D65 flat and i don't find the over-saturated color a total turn-off except the whining fan as the unit is barely 3-feet away. At this price, it's the best value PJ i have purchased in years!

Oh, forgot to mention the rest.
convergence, lower left panel is 1/2 off, but a non issue from viewing distance of 14 feet.
100 white is as white as it gets, no issue of uniformity.

I was not disparaging them in any way, only trying to point out that the availability of RS1s and then RS2s at really good prices occurred because JVC wanted to unload some B stock...it did not occur because a new release was about to make an earlier release outdated. I thought you might have been hoping there might be a similar deal on the RS10 this fall, just because of the new release.

I don't know if the bulb is new. Maybe someone who bought a B stock projector in the past will comment.

Yes I am hoping there is a similar deal on the RS10, but I see what you mean. I did think that they were unloading because of the new products.

I was not disparaging them in any way, only trying to point out that the availability of RS1s and then RS2s at really good prices occurred because JVC wanted to unload some B stock...it did not occur because a new release was about to make an earlier release outdated. I thought you might have been hoping there might be a similar deal on the RS10 this fall, just because of the new release.

I don't know if the bulb is new. Maybe someone who bought a B stock projector in the past will comment.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the tie between the B units and then new releases. If JVC "stock-piled" B units (which it seems like they did) they would not want to release those while the RS2 is a big seller. They would want to release them when dealers have very few left in stock and right before they become to old. That timing falls very well with the release of new units. I would say that RS10 B stock / RS20 B stock might very well be on the market at this time next year...

I got a B stock RS2 with 49 hours. No problems whatsoever. Happy camper here - I'm on a movie binge since I've been without a projector for three years!

Mine is 0 hour; torched my bat cave.

zeroendless, how and what did you use to calibrate to D65?

Thanks.

So it looks like I missed out on a sweet deal AND probably won't be seeing a price dropped RS10. Niceeee :eek: :mad:

I think I will stick it out until after CEDIA as I dont have my screen up anyway.

I got a B stock RS2 with 49 hours. No problems whatsoever. Happy camper here - I'm on a movie binge since I've been without a projector for three years!

This would indicate that JVC didn't reset them or am I wrong???

Missed the UPS guy yesterday aaargh - hope to get mine today and at least display it on a bare wall since the screen area is not complete yet

So it looks like I missed out on a sweet deal AND probably won't be seeing a price dropped RS10. Niceeee :eek: :mad:

I think I will stick it out until after CEDIA as I dont have my screen up anyway.

My previous statement was a complete estimate. I would still expect some pricedrops when the new models are released....

You could ask and see if there are any B units left of the RS2 - who knows

Mine is 0 hour; torched my bat cave.

zeroendless, how and what did you use to calibrate to D65?

Thanks.

ColorHCFR. The custom gamma works really well. I didn't much time to get a better graph, here's the first hour work.

Looks like I need to buy a probe or hardware.

So it looks like I missed out on a sweet deal AND probably won't be seeing a price dropped RS10. Niceeee :eek: :mad:

I think I will stick it out until after CEDIA as I dont have my screen up anyway.

RS2 gone...yes. Price drop not happening...no. We are trying to finalize the pricing on the RS10's clearance right now.

Ooh ooh ooh! Keep us posted!

What was the pre-order pricing on the RS-10 a year ago if you don't mind me breaking the rules since it is, in projector terms, a dog's age ago.

Actually the preorder price was about what it has recently been selling for. It was announced at a great price, then the price went up, then as it aged it went back down again. Hasn't changed recently.

It was pointed out to me that my post was contradictory. JVC is not announcing any price drops on the RS10/20. BUT, dealers may do some changes to clear inventory. Sorry for the confusion I may have caused.

I say go with RS-10, I just did!!! Can't wait

RS2 gone...yes. Price drop not happening...no. We are trying to finalize the pricing on the RS10's clearance right now.

I already own an RS10 and I am excited for this sale. What a great time of year!

I already own an RS10 and I am excited for this sale. What a great time of year!

How do you like it so far? Any comments?

It was pointed out to me that my post was contradictory. JVC is not announcing any price drops on the RS10/20. BUT, dealers may do some changes to clear inventory. Sorry for the confusion I may have caused.

So the new JVCs announced are replacements for the RS10s/RS20s and not just additional models correct?

So the new JVCs announced are replacements for the RS10s/RS20s and not just additional models correct?

Short answer...yes.

How do you like it so far? Any comments?

I still love it six months later. The more I see the lcd units the more I appreciate the jvc. Sure, I would like it to handle motion better and have even more dimensionality but to get that, and have the vertical lens shift I need, would have run at least a couple more grand. Still would. I will be curious how the new jvc's perform. I doubt if dimensionality will be improved and can they figure out FI on their first go around? As soon as I bought the
rs10 I started "my next projector" fund. Wife does not understand how I could already be planning to upgrade. (I did not tell her about my next wife fund :p ) I hope to be able to let that build up long enough to get the upgrade I would need to change.

I hope to be able to let that build up long enough to get the upgrade I would need to change.

Wife or projector upgrade? ;)

Will AVS get any bstock RS 10 the rs2 is just to dim for my taste.Thanks

Hey can someone explain what is meant when people say I wish motion was better with the RS 10? Is this for gaming? I am coming from a Panny AX100 to the RS 10 and I watch a lot of sports. Is this going to be a problem with motion? Sorry I am just a rookie

Hey can someone explain what is meant when people say I wish motion was better with the RS 10? Is this for gaming? I am coming from a Panny AX100 to the RS 10 and I watch a lot of sports. Is this going to be a problem with motion? Sorry I am just a rookie

No worries there, just typical remark wanting a better one, mainly the upcoming next gen JVC-RS will be equipped with 120Hz core panels. What do you think of your Ax100 for gaming and sport? Rs10 should be on par if not better than your panny.

Can anyone point me to a good thread / article on FI? That seems to be the primary difference between the RS10 and next gen JVC. I want to know exactly how different source content affects it.

Hi all

I myself am torn between these 2 projectors but am starting to lean toward an RS10 (having demoed one) over the RS2 (which I am unable to demo).

My primary reason for upgrading from my Panasonic AX100 is better black levels and contrast, as these are the 2 main areas of performance that 'take me out of' the movie experience with the Panny.

On the one hand, the fact that the RS2 has better blacks pulls me in that direction, but TBH the RS10 I saw gave me everything I wanted in that regard, so I am starting to weigh up that improvement in blacks against the other areas where perhaps the RS10 scores well. The increased brightness and adjustable aperture fells like an insurance policy meaning that brightness should always be fully adjustable to my taste, and the motorised lens shift and lens cover are also an advantage (I shift my image up slightly when viewing 1.85:1 movies). The questions I have are as follows:

How much better are the blacks on the RS2?

How much quieter is the RS10 (I think on low lamp mode the difference is 19db for the RS10 vs 24db for the RS2)......not sure how theses specs translate in to real life, I'm sure I read somewhere that you only have to drop a surprisingly low number of DB for the noise to effectively halve?.

Final questions is whether either runs hotter than the other....my AX100 pumps out a huge amount of heat and can make the HT uncomfortably hot, so the cooler the better (plus, does one of these exhaust to the front and the other to the right?).

Cheers

Stu

Hey Stuart,
After much debating I have decided to go with the RS10. The higher lumens is a big deal for me as most of the time we end up watching movies with some ambient light. Also as you mentioned the motorised lens shift and lens cover are an advantage.

Ony the question (at leat for you) would be, are you willing to wait for the minor upgrades on the 550?

...How much better are the blacks on the RS2?...


Supposedly if you close the manual iris on the RS10 to max it's blacks are supposed to be in or near the RS2, however with this setting it will be dimmer than the RS2. My guess is the RS2 is just slightly better. The projectorreviews review says that black levels between the RS10 and RS20 aren't very noticeable unless it's a really dark scene.

Personally I'd wait for details on the new JVCs before I would make a jump.

Ony the question (at leat for you) would be, are you willing to wait for the minor upgrades on the 550?
We do not know yet if the upgrades will be minor.

We do not know yet if the upgrades will be minor.

True true, thats the impression I got from the other threads. I am willing to be pleasantly surprised :)

Will AVS get any bstock RS 10 the rs2 is just to dim for my taste.Thanks

No plans for them right now, but we don't always know until it right before it may happen.

Just thought I would let the people who contributed to this discussion know that I went with the RS10.

Now I am going to wait till CEDIA to figure out if I should open the box or not!! I am behind on making my screen and I am also trying to figure out if I need a hushbox (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1173968) on another thread. If I decide to go with it, thats going to take a couple of days to make. So no rush to open the projector anyway.

Congrats sCiEnt and thanks again!