Arts Vivitek review is up I just seen.First LED review from him.Looks a littel dim for me.But it does have some good points.

budda do you have a link for everyone. Thanks for the heads up.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/vivtek/h9080fd/index.php

http://www.projectorreviews.com/vivtek/h9080fd/index.php

Thanks for that Jason:)

looking forward in reading how it compares against its competitors especially the RS10/HD 350

No worries.

The Benq being about half the price. It should be interesting to say the least.

I think Art's review really bodes well for LED in general as it can only get better and less expensive.

disappointing review. I guess Led will take anther year or two.

Link is dead as of now.

Link is dead as of now.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/vivitek/h9080fd/index.php

If that happen again, i guess you can browse it over index page.

I am going to hope I can stretch out my Optoma HD 80 another 2 or three years until LED can produce at least 1500 lumens and they resolve some of the other minor issues. I have to wonder if they will ever produce a solid state laser DLP front projector based on laservue???

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

BenQ W30000, by chance?

No sorry... Competition. :)

No sorry... Competition. :)

Will this great looking LED PJ be out by next January and be less than $10,000?

Yes and unknown.

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

Digital Projection?

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

are these leds so expensive?why cant they use 2 leds for each color instead of one?

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

Jason, Art's review says '~400 lumens in its best mode'; is that about what you find? If so, that's not so bad. E.g., on my 126" diag HP screen that would produce a bit over 20 ftL. And my RS20 is below that output after a 1000 hrs on the lamp.

I'm not interested in this particular projector, but if 400 to 500 lumens (calibrated) is possible, I think that is very close to doing the job. Maybe not 1 year from now, but perhaps in 2.

Jason, Art's review says '~400 lumens in its best mode'; is that about what you find? If so, that's not so bad. E.g., on my 126" diag HP screen that would produce a bit over 20 ftL. And my RS20 is below that output after a 1000 hrs on the lamp.

I'm not interested in this particular projector, but if 400 to 500 lumens (calibrated) is possible, I think that is very close to doing the job. Maybe not 1 year from now, but perhaps in 2.

Bill, the 1100 lumen barrier was cracked last year. Its now a matter of R&D work that allows for affordability and a sensible footprint etc.

I think in 2 years we will have some really serious performers available. Foe example,in 2 years CR will be a meaningless specification.

Bill, the 1100 lumen barrier was cracked last year. Its now a matter of R&D work that allows for affordability and a sensible footprint etc.

I think in 2 years we will have some really serious performers available. Foe example,in 2 years CR will be a meaningless specification.

Thanks, CM--sounds good, and I look forward to it. Until then I think I'll just enjoy my RS20.

It will be very interesting to see if dlp is the one to benefit the most from led, or whether lcos will also.

PS Since I prefer my setup with a very short throw (~ 1.4 to 1.5 throw ratio), it's encouraging to see that the Vivitek shows more zoom range than typical for dlp (though still far from what JVC and Sony lcos units do). Of course Sim2 does have the optional short throw lens that is just right for me.

PS Since I prefer my setup with a very short throw (~ 1.4 to 1.5 throw ratio), it's encouraging to see that the Vivitek shows more zoom range than typical for dlp (though still far from what JVC and Sony lcos units do). Of course Sim2 does have the optional show throw lens that is just right for me.

I hear you. It would be nice if, instead of a large zoom range, JVC were to split it into smaller ranges. I think they will do this at some point as they creep up the price points. I had hoped, and thought, they would do that this year. A nice CA lens would take them up a notch or 2, for sure.

I have friend who has as fixed lens, and that is just a thing of beauty. I would like to go that way, but none of the options fit.

"are these leds so expensive?why cant they use 2 leds for each color instead of one?"

Even if the LED's are cheap, combining the output of multiples adds complexity/cost.

"are these leds so expensive?why cant they use 2 leds for each color instead of one?"

Even if the LED's are cheap, combining the output of multiples adds complexity/cost.

Yea, but it is not that difficult to combine two or three lasers with fiber optics. That is one of lasers big advantages.

Naoh, you have had experience with the DNP new wide angle screen. Do you think that a honest 400 lumens from a LED projector would be bright enough to lite up a 119" diagonal DNP new wide angle screen for lights-on viewing?

IB

Sorry, but I don't know; I only tried the screen I had once at night in a makeshift setup before I bailed out of the RP project.

I would say possibly, depending on how close to on-axis you are, how bright is bright to your eyes, and how bright you mean by lights-on.

Sorry, but I don't know; I only tried the screen I had once at night in a makeshift setup before I bailed out of the RP project.

I would say possibly, depending on how close to on-axis you are, how bright is bright to your eyes, and how bright you mean by lights-on.

Thanks. They use to make a gain 5 version of that screen which would probably work better.

IB

Another review is up, sorry it's still in French, but you will find some pics :

http://www.cinetson.org/phpBB3/projecteurs-f2/test-vivitek-h9080fd-dlp-fullhd-led-ligne-t29508.html

LED will certainly get brighter, but it is not there yet. We have been playing with another one and I have to say the image is amazing, just not overly bright.

Though that one tops the Vivitek by 150-200 lumens, so that's a third to half more than the Vivitek post-calibration.

Edit looked it up Heimkino in its 11/12 November/Dezember issue review of the Vivitek, measured it at 465 lumens against the specced 800. It scored an 'Ausgezeichnet' 1,3 (German schoolgrade system 5 being worst grade and 1 topnotes).

LED modulation works, but should not be used in the more aggresive settings, wich result in 'iris pumping', active contrast is even worse in this respect. Resulting in a noticable red shift.

Native contrast 2400:1
Mode 1 11625:1
„Ultra-DI“ 23250:1 blacklevel at: 0,02
Infinite, or let's switch off the lights doesn't work viewing actual video content


"Interessant ist, wie sich die adaptive Lichtstromanpassung schlägt. Die im Menü nach wie vor „Blende“ genannte Option lässt sich in drei Modi betreiben und sorgt für unterschiedliche Kontrasteindrücke: Im nativen, also ausgeschalteten Zustand liegen ca. 2400:1 Kontrast an, im Modus „Ein“ erhöht sich der Maximalkontrast auf 11625:1 und in der „Ultra-DI“-Einstellung geht es bei einem Schwarzwert von 0,02 hoch auf 23250:1. Die Einstellung „Unendlich“ ist ein Gag und schaltet die LEDs bei schwarzem Bild einfach komplett aus. Das sorgt für einen tatsächlich unendlichen Kontrast, ist jedoch im laufenden Bild nicht anwendbar. Mit schwierigen Kontrastsprüngen gelingen dem Vivitek im dezenten Modus „Ein“ die überzeugendsten Bilder, da er in der Variante „Ultra-DI“ ein bei Mischhelligkeiten sichtbares Pumpen zeigt und auch gerne mal hell leuchtende Sterne auf schwarzem Hintergrund rötlich einfärbt. Noch härter geht der Vivitek zu Werk, wenn die adaptive Kontrastverstärkung dazukommt: Hier wird das Pumpen und Regeln noch stärker sichtbar und trübt den Gesamteindruck."