I received a card a couple days ago for Sim2 at CEDIA. It mentions the new HT6000, MSRP $120,000 (IIRC).

Is this the HT5000 on Lumis steriods? I'd think it to be the machine to have (resources available of course)

I didn't want to bother my Sim2 contacts, I'm sure they are busy getting ready for CEDIA. Anyone have the scoop on this box yet?

Cheers,
Scott

This is one of the main reasons I haven't yet chosen a PJ for my new HT. I've been holding off to see what this would bring to the table.

I cant see that "Lumisizing" an HT5000 would account for anything close to that price jump. I suspect there will be a major lumens hike. Lumis type technology would be nice too.

It will not have the Lumis technology (which is primarily dynamic black and the DI). It can't, because the 5K utilizes the Delta light engine and the DB and processing were developed for the AlphaPath engine.

Do not expect an "improved" 5K, it will not be there.


Jim

It will not have the Lumis technology (which is primarily dynamic black and the DI). It can't, because the 5K utilizes the Delta light engine and the DB and processing were developed for the AlphaPath engine.

Duhh, what was I thinking.

Do not expect an "improved" 5K, it will not be there.

Interesting.

Hmm, HT6000 sounds like the rumored xenon model

The 6000 is definately a dual lamp model, so unless they are using two xenon lamps.....doubtful (but I guess possible).


Jim

For $120K, it has to have something Earth shattering... or is the euro that bad?

Isn't $120,000 price tag twice the price of a HT5000?

If its dual lamp then definately not Xenon

that was the original MSRP but I'm guessing the street price is a bit different.

Yes there is going to be an HT6000. It will be at the show, but only a static display. Last I heard price has yet to be finalized, as are the specs on it, but what has leaked is that it will be dual lamp, will include improved color filtering and include the 235:1 Isco lens and sled (possibly other accessories). It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.
We are all expecting to see a live demo of the new non-HOST Lumis and I'm hoping the "Solar" infinite contrast flat panel will be powered up as well. Their LED projector should make its debut and they will be showing a special 3D demo (which will be totally unique from what I understand). That's a mouthful for one company...kudos to Sim2.

Well, that answers all the questions!:)


Jim

I said it before...though the quantity of stuff will be thin at Cedia, I think the quality will be stellar.

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.


Jim

I would think there would be significant interest in the LED unit.



Jim

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.


Jim

Yeah I don't think they even know quite yet....and I agree the LED's should be a big attention getter. We'll just have to see where they work out on a price scale.

For $120K, it has to have something Earth shattering... or is the euro that bad?

THe price reflects new pricing in anticipation of devaluation of American dollars under the current administration.

Better buy the Lumis while its cheap!;)

Haha! Thanks Steve, this is why the rich get richer. Guess that's the signal to short the market NOW to triple in a couple of years! Hehe. Change, baby, change!

It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.

Nice to see the big boy gets the equivalent of the satin bag.:D

how sim2 or a other manufacturers can sale a "home cinema pr." for
mutch more than you have to pay for a "barco cinema pr".???

the talking about 100 or 120k is not the reality at lest not for a 3 chip model.

may they have a new 4 chip design but as far as i know they will not have this.

to many wrong speculations.

Even if we have no products at least we have some nice speculation for a change.:D

Art

Regarding the 6000, I've been told $100K (not firm) from day one. I've never heard the $120K number. I guess we'll know soon enough.As it's brand new we all know how prices fluctuate. And it may very well settle in a lower price point once it's goes live. But the number I mentioned was right from their material: "The 2009 Sim2 Colection"
From the DOMINO D60 at $5,000, to the mighty Grand Cinema HT6000 at $120,000, this designer collection delivers spectacular performance at every significant price-point....

Thanks Scott, hadn't seen that.:)


Jim

The 2009 Sim2 Colection"
From the DOMINO D60 at $5,000, to the mighty Grand Cinema HT6000 at $120,000.

I'm still very interested in what the HT 6000 can do to justify that price. I'm one who will pay for a move up but....

Art

I said it before...though the quantity of stuff will be thin at Cedia, I think the quality will be stellar.

Since it's right down the road from me, my pl;an is to attend. For those that will not be going, I'll report any significant findings, of course.

Yes there is going to be an HT6000. It will be at the show, but only a static display. Last I heard price has yet to be finalized, as are the specs on it, but what has leaked is that it will be dual lamp, will include improved color filtering and include the 235:1 Isco lens and sled (possibly other accessories). It may all ship in a custom road case but that is also not confirmed.
We are all expecting to see a live demo of the new non-HOST Lumis and I'm hoping the "Solar" infinite contrast flat panel will be powered up as well. Their LED projector should make its debut and they will be showing a special 3D demo (which will be totally unique from what I understand). That's a mouthful for one company...kudos to Sim2.

So Jason...are you planning on doing a review any time soon?

How much is the new Lumis (without HOST)

How much is the new Lumis (without HOST)

Should be approx. $35K.


Jim

Now that Cedia has started can we get full details on the Sim2 HT6000?

Now that Cedia has started can we get full details on the Sim2 HT6000?


Oh oh! Lon just put in a new projector. The question is how long before he puts in another state of the art new projector instead??? Any bets, folks??

Oh oh! Lon just put in a new projector. The question is how long before he puts in another state of the art new projector instead??? Any bets, folks??

3 years...his PJ is upgradeable and about the best money can buy. Why would you change platforms. I would imagine he is chasing performance, and he probably just caught it by the tail. I would now buy every BR disc in existence, and sit back and enjoy!

Oh oh! Lon just put in a new projector. The question is how long before he puts in another state of the art new projector instead??? Any bets, folks??


Au Contraire Pierre, Au Contraire

I have a funny suspicion that I will have exactly the opposite of buyers remorse when the 6000 is announced

I have a funny suspicion that I will have exactly the opposite of buyers remorse when the 6000 is announced

Until CES then?

Until 4K, or native 30K:1

I have a funny suspicion that I will have exactly the opposite of buyers remorse when the 6000 is announced

Im getting an underwhelming vibe too. I would dearly love to be wrong.

I see Sim2 announced their Lumis 3D, which is 2 lumis projectors

http://www.sim2usa.com/home/us/node/18303

So, if ever I want 3-D, I can simply buy a second Lumis??

Doh! And a second ISCO III??!!!:(

Converging the 2 projectors should be a snap :eek:

Converging the 2 projectors should be a snap :eek:

No need for convergence. Full 1080 each eye and it can do both 24/60. Far brighter then using a single projector but it all comes down to wheres the source?

No need for convergence. Full 1080 each eye and it can do both 24/60. Far brighter then using a single projector but it all comes down to wheres the source?


What about for 2 D source?

What about for 2 D source?

Use one projector. Same light output as 2 projectors used for 3D.

Makes sense thanks Alan

So, if ever I want 3-D, I can simply buy a second Lumis??

Doh! And a second ISCO III??!!!:(

I thought you were a zoomer.;)

Art

I (by sheer accident) ended up seeing the very 1st showing for this CEDIA. We were told we were the very 1st ever to see the new product...... the new LCD unit. Sorry, I forgot the new name, and didn't write it down. It physically looks like and is close to the size of a HT5000 but with a smoothed iff, shiny painted case like a C3X. It threw a nice picture, I was surprised by it's brightness, I expected less. Nothing ground shaking but interesting and the picture looked pretty good on the material they showed. It was followed by the Lumis, and that was the end of the LCD for me. They did not mention the 6K, but they were running behind getting started, and all the guys were swamped with customers so I didn't ask. Will try to remember to ask tomorrow or Sat.

S

I (by sheer accident) ended up seeing the very 1st showing for this CEDIA. We were told we were the very 1st ever to see the new product...... the new LCD unit. Sorry, I forgot the new name, and didn't write it down. It physically lookes like and is close to the size of a HT5000 but with a smoothed iff, shiny painted case like a C3X. It threw a nice picture, I was surprised by it's brightness, I expected less. Nothing ground shaking but interesting and the picture looked pretty good on the material they showed. It was followed by the Lumis, and that was the end of the LCD for me. They did not mention the 6K, but they were running behind getting started, and all the guys were swamped with customers so I didn't ask. Will try to remember to ask tomorrow or Sat.

I thought the LED SIM projector looked pretty good too. Not in the class of the Lumis, but excellent for a 1 chip with no rainbows that never needs a new bulb!!

I thought the LED SIM projector looked pretty good too. Not in the class of the Lumis, but excellent for a 1 chip with no rainbows that never needs a new bulb!!
Yep. they said 30,000 hours.

No rainbowing is encouraging, that is the most potentially significant downside of a poorly implemented LED projector. Craig, how sensitive are you normally to rainbowing on single chip DLP? Didn't you have one pre - Lumis?

Would be interested to see more details about the design. Was the MSRP on the LED announced?

So still no official/unofficial word on HT6000?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1178668

Dual lamp, comes with Isco and sled

No specs though in report, wonder lumen output and contrast at D65, also wonder if it employs ILS lens like HT5000Pro

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1178668

Dual lamp, comes with Isco and sled

No specs though in report, wonder lumen output and contrast at D65, also wonder if it employs ILS lens like HT5000Pro

Thanks LJG

If you go to our home Page there is the start of a series of videos from the show which are uploaded each night. There is more from Sim2 on there as well.

Alan

have they released specs and price there wAs no mention in the video

Alan

have they released specs and price there wAs no mention in the video

Unfortunately with everyone away for the show I have not talked to anyone with any concrete information. With the projector on display that solidifies the product so I expect the details exist we just have to nail someone down.

"The Maximus-it's quite a package" Where's coldmachine, I don't have the shakespearean touch on this one. Wow! Nice job with the video embedding AVS. jim burns, too Awesome work Alan!

I'm told the HT6000 should be in the 5K contrast range (that's 5000 CR not HT5000 CR, which for most of us is 6-8K). If correct, that's double the Pro5 Dual Lamp CR (2500). They may have accomplished that by lowering the dual lamp output of the Pro5 (listed at 7,500 ansi) coupled with the optical changes, but I'm speculating here.


Jim

No rainbowing is encouraging, that is the most potentially significant downside of a poorly implemented LED projector. Craig, how sensitive are you normally to rainbowing on single chip DLP? Didn't you have one pre - Lumis?

Would be interested to see more details about the design. Was the MSRP on the LED announced?

I rarely see rainbows ever.

Thank you Alan and Av Science for the video reports it allows us to see some of the products even though we aren't there. Greg

Sim 2 had a great theater at CEDIA but I don't think they showed the 6000. I did take a video of it in the round but most of their movies were the C3X 1080 et al. That said, what a good looking machine.

Did they have the HOST free Lumis?

Did they have the HOST free Lumis?

yep. I think I took a pic of it. I'll check to make sure.

the non-Host was the demo unit in their theater, the host version was the unit in the Triad theater. Or vice versa, forgot. Both looked very good.

What ever happened to this, it or a proto-type was shown at Cedia then nothing

I was told by the horses mouth that it would be a high brightness dual-lamp version of the ht-5k with an anamorphic slider. Price was not fixed then.

What ever happened to this, it or a proto-type was shown at Cedia then nothing

Still being finalized from what I am told. Likely ship date is early 1st Q.

I was told by the horses mouth that it would be a high brightness dual-lamp version of the ht-5k with an anamorphic slider. Price was not fixed then.


This about sums it up.


Jim

Hey guys a little more info, the HT6000 or "Maximus" is shipping. MSRP $120k and is available through Premier dealers. Price includes Isco 3C anamorphic attachment and Cineslide sled with all mounting hardware as well as a visit from a Sim2 technician to assist in proper align, calibrate, and assure correct factory specifications. The projector does indeed have the lens memory system LMS for none anamorphic use with select lens. As pointed out the Maximus is hot rodded with duel lamp output. Nice additional to the product line up!

So, how much is the discount to have it compete with a DCi beamer.

Hi Alan

thanks, what are the specs, lumens on/ off and is it possible to order it minimus instead of Maximus (without anamorphic setup)

is it possible to order it minimus instead of Maximus (without anamorphic setup)

Yes a Minimus is possible:)

Thanks but what are the specs lumens, on/off etc.

9000:1, 4,000 lumens, 3 lens options (1.87-2.56:1; 2.56-4.16:1; 4.16-6.96:1)

9000:1, 4,000 lumens, 3 lens options (1.87-2.56:1; 2.56-4.16:1; 4.16-6.96:1)


Where did these numbers come from? (These are close to the numbers I'm already getting with my HT5000e).


Jim

Where did these numbers come from? (These are close to the numbers I'm already getting with my HT5000e).


Jim

The HT6000 is a hot-rodded HT5000e. I got the numbers off a hand-out from CEDIA. The HT5000e is rated at 6000:1 and about 2500ANSI.

Thanks Pete, I didn't see the flyer.


Jim

I can't wait to see a demo of the projector! :D

lol to bad I'll never be able to afford one without taking out a loan!

I wonder if a mortal such as me could arrange a demo ?

Art

9000:1, 4,000 lumens, 3 lens options (1.87-2.56:1; 2.56-4.16:1; 4.16-6.96:1)

These numbers don't seem right, 4000 lumens seems a little low, but even so not low enough to get 9K:1 on/off..

[QUOTE=Pete;17520747]The HT6000 is a hot-rodded HT5000e.

Hot rodded? What exactly does that mean?

Two 300watt lamps, special sauce, and a seseme seed bun