mbeasley82
08-31-09, 09:29 PM
I have decided to go with the 54g10 over the 54v10 to save some money.I watch a ton of blu ray movies. I hear there is a flicker problem on the g10 if you turn on 48hz.If turning on 48hz produces flicker then why is it on this set and why would anyone turn of the 60hz mode?
The feature is to create a viewing environment like a movie theater. Some people like it, and don't see flicker. Most theaters refresh at 48hz (some at 72hz). Personally I hate the 48hz mode on my G10, and I don't like to watch movies in the theater because of the flicker. If you watch a "ton" then the V10 might just be for you.
mbeasley82
09-01-09, 08:27 PM
awesome. so with the 48hz off on the g10 whats blu ray like?
mcjasonb
09-01-09, 08:38 PM
awesome. so with the 48hz off on the g10 whats blu ray like?
if you don't use 48hz mode, then you'll be using 3:2 pulldown which can introduce judder in movement. most people will never notice it though.
I was having the same debate. Obviously I would prefer having the the v10 over the g10, but I couldn't justify the extra $500+. The pull down (which is what you have probably seen when viewing most 1080p bluerays) isn't that different to me than 72 or 96hz when viewing 1080/24p. If the sets were side by side playing the same thing you could probably notice, but once you are at home and everything is set up it isn't something you will regret not getting.
mbeasley82
09-01-09, 10:50 PM
i am coming from a samsung 720 dlp that i have had for 3 years. so i am sure that the g10 will be just fine.i just don't want to spend the money if watching blu ray movies is a problem.oh and what is 3:2 pull down. not very tv tech savvy. thanks again for the help.
Introduce a problem? Most people have been living with telecine judder (from 3:2 pulldown) for years, maybe a lifetime now. This is not something new. mbeasley, school is about to begin...
Most tv's refresh at the rate of 60hz. Most tv viewing material (mostly shows, sometimes movies) are filmed at 30 frames per second. The tv displays that frame 2 times, at 60 frames per second. This is good. But since the beginning of film, 24 frames per second was used since it was the lowest number of frames that most people could see motion from. It was because of those old-school movie boxes, where they turned the crank and such that 24 frame material came about. The less frames the longer the film, smaller the box, ect. So what has to be done is telecine, where 24 frame material is "fudged" to run in 60hz(or 60 frames per sec.) Go to wikipedia, and look up "telecine." It describes it in better terms. 24 frame material does go into 72 and 96 so 72hz and 96hz works perfectly, without changing the frames. This is why this is much sought after, by some. Its opinion.
Class dismissed.
Now, do you see judder in your dlp? Maybe, and maybe not. Some had different refresh rates. As said earlier by mcjason, some people don't see it, some see it and don't mind it, some people hate it with passion. A quick trip to a b&m store and comparing the two would be a good idea.
Personally, I don't like "judder-less" 120hz lcds, but absolutely LOVE the V10's 96hz and Pioneer's 72hz. It doesn't take away the "movie" look. For me, there is no 42" V10 (limited by size) so G10 was the best I could get. Judder does not bother me though. I love my G10, at 60hz, watching blu-ray. You obviously have nothing to worry about. Enjoy a brilliant tv!
KidHorn
09-03-09, 08:43 AM
I've watched blu-rays in both 48 and 60 Hz and both look great to me. I haven't noticed any problems.
mbeasley82
09-04-09, 02:05 AM
thanks for the help & the references.