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Lee K
09-01-09, 01:34 AM
Ok now that it's OUT -- let's have an actual thread to discuss it as opposed to the "upcoming" thread that exists. I'm glad I checked that thread out of nowhere because I wouldn't have known otherwise.

This is to me an amazing update. Everything is much faster, in game XMB, thumbnail loading while viewing movies (press square and watch it pop up INSTANTLY), copy/paste in messages, messages load way faster, etc.

New startup sound is cool, sparkles are pretty cool too (don't try to be cool and act like you don't like it), love the way the background blurs when you go through layered menus (tversity), scrolling through long lists of files now shows everything as you scroll (no more loading icon).

I don't know how they did it, but they totally improved the usability of the system. I'm very impressed. Only thing I don't like is the obvious (temporary) problems logging onto PSN and the friends list style.

like.no.other.
09-01-09, 01:45 AM
Some things you may not notice:

Updated flash player
Video control right analog stick
Connection speed reference on connection test
Screenshot of a web browser
Sony Ericsson remote play
HDD video subtitles
Disables background music playing if output frequency is set other than 48kHz

nyrep1
09-01-09, 01:47 AM
just installed but have not been able to sign in to psn after

mike50
09-01-09, 02:52 AM
Has divx been reinstated? Is mkv available?

SurferBud3
09-01-09, 06:26 AM
the new friends list appearance stinks!

Martez
09-01-09, 07:47 AM
Has divx been reinstated? Is mkv available?

I don't know much about divx not being there in the first place. There is an option under Video to get a divx VOD registration code... is that what you are looking for?

tingham
09-01-09, 08:00 AM
Simultaneous audio output from all connectors. It's about time, it only took them almost 3 years :confused:.

phipp01
09-01-09, 08:27 AM
And this deserved another thread because why?

bryansj
09-01-09, 08:30 AM
Simultaneous audio output from all connectors. It's about time, it only took them almost 3 years :confused:.

If this is true then that is great news. I've got an Astro MixAmp that needs an optical connection, but I use HDMI audio for non-headphone use. It sucked having to navigate the menu to switch the audio source from HDMI to Optical.

Doug Schiller
09-01-09, 08:33 AM
I'm a little concerned with my launch 60GB.
I updated to 3.0.
Loved the new look.
Could not log onto the PS Store.
I launched Batman Arkham Asylum.
It seemed to take a little longer to load.
I played a tough section for about 30 minutes, completed it, went to the exit and the screen goes black like it is loading and then nothing.
I couldn't even reset it from the front, I had to shut it off from the switch in the back.
When it came back on, I played one of the Arkham videos and it was very jumpy.
It was late so I decided to wait until today to check again.
I have never had problems like this before. I had a couple of lockups over the years but nothing recently.

jayoldschool
09-01-09, 09:25 AM
Simultaneous audio output from all connectors

Wait, what? Is this confirmed??? This is huge...

bgarner
09-01-09, 09:32 AM
Gotta give Sony credit, but this update seems to be one of the best so far. The multi-audio is great and now allows me to use my PSP to send music to my outdoor speakers on Zone 2 because most receivers don't allow HDMI sound to output other than Zone 1.

mcjasonb
09-01-09, 10:47 AM
Wait, what? Is this confirmed??? This is huge...

yup, its true. :)

jayoldschool
09-01-09, 12:05 PM
So, my 60GB will send audio by HDMI to my TV, and send audio by optical to my AVR?

eddy_winds
09-01-09, 12:13 PM
So, my 60GB will send audio by HDMI to my TV, and send audio by optical to my AVR?

Yes

mcjasonb
09-01-09, 12:15 PM
So, my 60GB will send audio by HDMI to my TV, and send audio by optical to my AVR?

yup.

jrinck
09-01-09, 12:37 PM
How big is the download? I'm still in withdrawal from going from 6M+ Comcast down to 784k DSL.

Is this update something best left to fire up when I go to bed?

mcjasonb
09-01-09, 12:46 PM
How big is the download? I'm still in withdrawal from going from 6M+ Comcast down to 784k DSL.

Is this update something best left to fire up when I go to bed?

um, it didn't seem to big. i have around a 10-12Mb connection and it was all done in maybe 10 minutes, i did it this morning around 10am or so. it's going to be a mandatory install. you can't connect to PSN until you download it.

eddy_winds
09-01-09, 12:46 PM
How big is the download? I'm still in withdrawal from going from 6M+ Comcast down to 784k DSL.

Is this update something best left to fire up when I go to bed?
15 mins

1/2 hour tops

coneyparleg
09-01-09, 12:53 PM
Firmware 3.0 is not real, its a hoax

seggers
09-01-09, 01:16 PM
Firmware 3.0 is not real, its a hoax

What? There's a lot of people here who would disagree.

Seggers

number1laing
09-01-09, 01:20 PM
How big is the download? I'm still in withdrawal from going from 6M+ Comcast down to 784k DSL.

Is this update something best left to fire up when I go to bed?

If you have a USB stick, just download it to your comp, and load it on the USB.

ndskyz
09-01-09, 01:25 PM
What? There's a lot of people here who would disagree.

Seggers

He's just for filling the requirement of 1 nay Sayer per thread.

tleavit
09-01-09, 01:43 PM
Gotta give Sony credit, but this update seems to be one of the best so far. The multi-audio is great and now allows me to use my PSP to send music to my outdoor speakers on Zone 2 because most receivers don't allow HDMI sound to output other than Zone 1.

+1 I had this same issue.

ppshooky
09-01-09, 01:55 PM
1/2 hour

45 mins top
To download and install?

Mine took about 15 mins total.

eddy_winds
09-01-09, 02:21 PM
To download and install?

Mine took about 15 mins total.

Fixed it

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17101488#post17101488

Management
09-01-09, 02:43 PM
simultaneous audio output from all connectors. It's about time, it only took them almost 3 years :confused:.

Is this really available!!!????

EDIT: Ha-Ha I should have kept reading. :) :o

tleavit
09-01-09, 02:55 PM
Well to clarify, I just dropped 3.0 on all 3 PS3's and the split audio if enabled takes the 2 rear channels out so that you can only run 5.1 (vs 7.1). So thats a fail for me.

Which includes downgrading dts-hd and DD-hd down to regular DD and dts 5 channel

maximuslcd
09-01-09, 03:45 PM
I played some PS3 last night and it did not prompt me that there was an update.

eweiss
09-01-09, 04:01 PM
I played some PS3 last night and it did not prompt me that there was an update.

Me, too, but it did this morning (9/1/09), so I updated. Seemed flawless, but I haven't played anything yet.

funsocaltiger
09-01-09, 04:23 PM
Simultaneous audio output from all connectors. It's about time, it only took them almost 3 years :confused:.

If this is true then that is great news. I've got an Astro MixAmp that needs an optical connection, but I use HDMI audio for non-headphone use. It sucked having to navigate the menu to switch the audio source from HDMI to Optical.

Wait, what? Is this confirmed??? This is huge...

yup, its true. :)

Yes

Is this really available!!!????

EDIT: Ha-Ha I should have kept reading. :) :o

OMG FINALLY!

Seriously, I have gripped about this from DAY ONE.

Now WTF am I going to complain about. :mad:

bdwright77
09-01-09, 04:23 PM
If you're like the rest of the kids around here, I'm sure you'll find something :D

jayoldschool
09-01-09, 04:59 PM
Just finished the DL, and can confirm that multi-audio works (after enabling it). Current setup is HDMI to TV, Optical to AVR. I can now game late at night with the quiet TV speakers :D

tingham
09-01-09, 05:10 PM
Well to clarify, I just dropped 3.0 on all 3 PS3's and the split audio if enabled takes the 2 rear channels out so that you can only run 5.1 (vs 7.1). So thats a fail for me.

Which includes downgrading dts-hd and DD-hd down to regular DD and dts 5 channel

Are you sure about this? I don't mind the 5.1, and I do have a 7.1 setup. But your saying it also downgrades the hd codecs? I wonder if it makes a difference if you have a slim and you set it to bitstream?

I'll have to wait until tomorrow to test this stuff out. My 60 gb YLOD'd last night, and I have a slim coming from Newegg tomorrow.

tleavit
09-01-09, 06:40 PM
Are you sure about this? I don't mind the 5.1, and I do have a 7.1 setup. But your saying it also downgrades the hd codecs? I wonder if it makes a difference if you have a slim and you set it to bitstream?

I'll have to wait until tomorrow to test this stuff out. My 60 gb YLOD'd last night, and I have a slim coming from Newegg tomorrow.

Yes, the PS3 actually tells you this as a warning when you click on the option. It also limits that optical connection to 2 channel.

Sujay
09-01-09, 06:46 PM
Oh god why did they increase the text size. >.<

Anyone know how to disable that ticker box on the top right? Couldn't find the options for it.

pdp7
09-01-09, 06:49 PM
Oh god why did they increase the text size. >.<

Anyone know how to disable that ticker box on the top right? Couldn't find the options for it.

appearance wise, not a fan

fonts are for the visually impaired
and the status display upper right is so cluttered..not to mention the damn thing even needs a scroller inside it

Martez
09-01-09, 07:52 PM
Oh, internet...

http://imgur.com/tYAzA.jpg

:D

Also, I logged into my Hong Kong and Euro accounts and no ticker came up. However, it did in my Japanese account. Buhwha?

joeblow
09-01-09, 07:55 PM
^^^ I agree with that message (except the 'everything wrong' part ;)).

mcjasonb
09-01-09, 07:56 PM
Sony can't say "it only does everything" until i can play music off my hard drive while playing any game i want.

lovswr
09-01-09, 08:03 PM
Oh god why did they increase the text size. >.<

Anyone know how to disable that ticker box on the top right? Couldn't find the options for it.



Well to these 42 & a half year old eyes, bigger fonts are always better. :)

I also like the blur effect & like others have said, everything is just faster/crisper.

Kudos Sony




WOOOOHOOOOO

3.0 even fixed my streaming issues that I have been having with PMS server for the last 3 weeks. :cool:

Sujay
09-01-09, 08:03 PM
Well to these 42 & a half year old eyes, bigger fonts are always better. :)

sure i'm all for that but couldn't it have been an option :o

gooki
09-01-09, 08:22 PM
Also, I logged into my Hong Kong and Euro accounts and no ticker came up. However, it did in my Japanese account. Buhwha?

Japan has had a ticker for ages. I recall seeing it over a year ago (I have a Jap launch PS3). However going from memory there was an option to turn it off.

Martez
09-01-09, 08:32 PM
Japan has had a ticker for ages. I recall seeing it over a year ago (I have a Jap launch PS3). However going from memory there was an option to turn it off.

You mean that Notification Board? I'm talking about the ticker at the top with the clock and number of online friends. My Euro and HK accounts don't have'em.

tingham
09-01-09, 08:39 PM
Yes, the PS3 actually tells you this as a warning when you click on the option. It also limits that optical connection to 2 channel.

Thanks for confirming. Geez..I might as well just keep switching sound outputs like I have been doing.


btw..nice ht! It looks like your back surrounds are pretty far back in your setup. I'm sure your compensating for that with your avr. Can you hear them well being that far back?

Cyber Chulo
09-01-09, 08:57 PM
Since the update, when I play my mp3 files it switches my Onkyo 606 from Dolby PL II to Stereo. I don't have multi channel selected and only using HDMI to the receiver. Now when I play the music, it doesn't really use my subwoofer. I tried to force the receiver to use MultiChannel but still sounds like stereo. Has this happened to anyone? When it was on PLII I could at least get simulated surround sound and good bass. Now it's just using the front speakers and no bass from the subwoofer.

zetram
09-01-09, 09:08 PM
Since the update, when I play my mp3 files it switches my Onkyo 606 from Dolby PL II to Stereo. I don't have multi channel selected and only using HDMI to the receiver. Now when I play the music, it doesn't really use my subwoofer. I tried to force the receiver to use MultiChannel but still sounds like stereo. Has this happened to anyone? When it was on PLII I could at least get simulated surround sound and good bass. Now it's just using the front speakers and no bass from the subwoofer.




Well first of all you should get sound from the sub in stereo, but your Ps3 is sending the audio differently it seems. Try changing any listening mode preset set to stereo

Leo_Ames
09-01-09, 09:16 PM
Has Hulu compatibility been restored? I had been avoiding updating for a while because I had heard compatibility was broken.

like.no.other.
09-01-09, 09:21 PM
Since the update, when I play my mp3 files it switches my Onkyo 606 from Dolby PL II to Stereo. I don't have multi channel selected and only using HDMI to the receiver. Now when I play the music, it doesn't really use my subwoofer. I tried to force the receiver to use MultiChannel but still sounds like stereo. Has this happened to anyone? When it was on PLII I could at least get simulated surround sound and good bass. Now it's just using the front speakers and no bass from the subwoofer.

SWITCH TO 48kHZ

mike50
09-02-09, 12:45 AM
So, still no support for mkv. If i update, wil i lose divx?

saunupe1911
09-02-09, 01:57 AM
The damn update broke PS3 Media server

bob ross
09-02-09, 02:04 AM
Can someone please clarify this going to 3.00 changes 7.1 to 5.1 thing please? :confused:

Also is there any advantage (quality wise) by sending Audio via optical instad of audio+video via HDMI? :confused:

Thanks

Plex
09-02-09, 05:49 AM
Oh god why did they increase the text size. >.<

Anyone know how to disable that ticker box on the top right? Couldn't find the options for it.

Thank god, now I can stop buying those bigger TV's:D

Cyber Chulo
09-02-09, 07:13 AM
SWITCH TO 48kHZ

Thanks, but I don't know why. It started to work like it did before. Maybe I had to do a restart of the PS3 after the update. Didn't make any changes other than turning on Multi Output.

Will Munshower
09-02-09, 08:54 AM
The damn update broke PS3 Media server

What issues are you (or anyone else) having? Ever since the upgrade to 3.0, my trusty PS3 Media Server is now stuttering and stalling. It's definitely not a bandwidth issue, CPU usage at 100% (it never goes over 8%) and I have 2 GB of memory.

PMS has always been my most stalwart and trustworthy media server app. Now, it's worse than TVersity's local streaming...Will

sticks1839
09-02-09, 09:22 AM
What issues are you (or anyone else) having? Ever since the upgrade to 3.0, my trusty PS3 Media Server is now stuttering and stalling. It's definitely not a bandwidth issue, CPU usage at 100% (it never goes over 8%) and I have 2 GB of memory.

PMS has always been my most stalwart and trustworthy media server app. Now, it's worse than TVersity's local streaming...Will

After the update, I had problems with Netflix streaming via PlayOn. I can still go into the PlayOn menus and select a movie, but it just hangs FOREVER with no signal being sent out of the PS3 (it usually takes up to a minute for the movie to cache itself and start playing, but I've waited 5+ minutes with nothing). Also, when this happens, the remote doesn't seem to work anymore and I have to hold the power button on the PS3 itself to get it to turn off/restart.

sticks1839
09-02-09, 09:23 AM
Thanks, but I don't know why. It started to work like it did before. Maybe I had to do a restart of the PS3 after the update. Didn't make any changes other than turning on Multi Output.

Turning on Multi Output changes (and mostly limits) what sound formats can be output by the PS3. It even notes this when you make that selection.

sticks1839
09-02-09, 09:26 AM
Can someone please clarify this going to 3.00 changes 7.1 to 5.1 thing please? :confused:

Also is there any advantage (quality wise) by sending Audio via optical instad of audio+video via HDMI? :confused:

Thanks

If you use the Multi Output feature for audio in 3.00, the PS3 can no longer output 7.1 channels and uses 5.1 instead. It will tell you this when you select that option in the menu. If you are only outputting via one method (HDMI to receiver) you will still get 7.1 sound via PCM.

Optical has less bandwidth than HDMI for audio, so you are better off using HDMI if possible. Optical can't bitstream HD codecs or send LPCM for more than 2 channels.

ppshooky
09-02-09, 10:34 AM
Has Hulu compatibility been restored? I had been avoiding updating for a while because I had heard compatibility was broken.
This had nothing to do with the firmware.

It was Hulu blocking the PS3 browser with no real explanation why.

This has been confirmed by Hulu.

As far as I know, even those who didn't update the firmware still can't get to Hulu.

bdwright77
09-02-09, 10:39 AM
Just an FYI, I had some significant audio issues last night while bitstreaming 5.1 DTS on a SD version of Master & Commander. I fast-forwarded the movie for about 10 seconds and hit play...the audio then came in all garbled and my AVR's multichannel light was flickering. I stopped the whole movie and restarted, after which everything was fine. But numerous pause and resume attempts while the problem was occurring did not resolve the issue.

Very strange.

bdoyledimou
09-02-09, 10:41 AM
The damn update broke PS3 Media server

It didn't affect my PSM connectivity.. it actually appears to be working better.. (less start up lag and smoother playback of avi's..)

todrigo
09-02-09, 10:58 AM
I am not sure if it is FW3.0 related but I had 3 hard freezes, and several more lost connections last night while playing QoS online. I have only started playing the online last week but experienced no freezes in those few matches. Also Joystiq is reporting that Uncharted is experiencing freezing after the FW3.0 update.

Stryker412
09-02-09, 11:34 AM
Firmware 3.0 causes Uncharted to freeze.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/02/users-report-firmware-3-0-causing-uncharted-freezes/

I'm so glad I didn't update.

eddy_winds
09-02-09, 11:40 AM
Sony Computer Entertainment announced PlayStation 3 firmware update version 3.0 at GamesCom 2009, even going as far to tout it as a "major update", that being the last major update of the year. However, with the update's release last night, there seems to be more "minor update" features added and a little too much of "why would they do this?" in the mind.



A series of new features has been added to PlayStation 3 with the 3.0 update; small features. These include a new start-up look that shows the PS3 slim logo rather than seeing 'Sony Computer Entertainment', the ability to copy and paste, the ability to capture a screenshot of the web browser, support for 'Premium Avatars' which you can purchase off the PlayStation Store, a "What's New" section replacing the information board with the latest in PlayStation, a new Status Indicator displaying your icon, messages and amount of friends online, a redesign to the friends list, shortcuts for the PlayStation Store, support for new dynaimic themes, and a bit more speed to loading trophies.



They all sound like welcome additions; welcome but small. Not enough to make this a "major update". However, even some of these additions have gone wrong.

The newly redesigned friends list is hardly a redesign at all. If anything, it complicates the friends list even more by adding a gray but shiny box around each friend, which seems highly unneccesary, and really gives a cluttered feeling to the list. If anything, it shouldn't even be touted as a new feature, as it's just an image thrown in the background of a friend. On top of that, there's no option to customize the color, and with the added space, no trophy information is displayed for each friend without going to their profiles.



The new PlayStation Store shortcuts are the next problem. It's basically a big, in your face, advertising sign from Sony that says "BUY OUR GOODS". To put it simply, it's too much. Being added to both the 'Video' and 'Game' sections of the XMB make it very unnecessary.

Dynamic themes are a welcome addition, but to start us off with no dynamic themes whatsoever is just ridiculous. How will PlayStation 3 owners even know of this feature or try it out if we don't at least have a start-off theme? Even when Microsoft launched the 'New Xbox Experience', they gave two premium themes free alongside the update so people can get a whiff of what exactly they are. This update came with nothing to start us up on dynamic themes.

Adding on, the new fonts are just too big. We're not blind, Sony. To add on even more, the blur when you click any option hurts my damn eyes. I'd imagine those who wear glasses have suffered more, though.



To put the icing on the cake, none of these features had any consumer demand. Most of these new updates came straight out of the blue and had no demand backing them up, thus resulting in my poor feedback of the update. Sony does say they listen to consumers and in some cases that is true, like in in-game XMB situation, but this is not listening. This is releasing an update that was pulled out the ass with features nobody expected, or wanted for that matter.

Although, the whole update isn't to complain about. I love the new status bar at the top right of the screen. Before I could leave my console and have no idea if I had gotten any messages or not, but with the new status bar, it's easy to see instead of have to check your inbox everytime. The "What's New" section under the XMB is also a nice addition, showing the latest on the PlayStation Store and the latest in PlayStation. Also, descriptions have been added to each option under settings so you know what you're getting into before you click whatever option you're clicking. It makes it easier for newer users to understand what they're doing, so it's a good addition in my book.



Even those good additions doesn't make this a "major update", though. Other than that... well refer to the above.

http://scrawlfx.com/2009/09/what-went-wrong-with-ps3-firmware-v30

Never heard of these guys..

number1laing
09-02-09, 11:44 AM
The Scrawlfx people need to chill out.

_Avarice_
09-02-09, 11:47 AM
Never heard of these guys..

For good reason. They're whiny.

newfmp3
09-02-09, 12:09 PM
I like the update, good job Sony. IT seems some people will find anything to complain about these days though. That rant above is pathetic

Theme's - Great idea, looking forward to some theme's to try. I'd imagine we should start seeing them thursday? Just a little patience is needed, I'm sure Sony is planning on making money on these new themes so you can bet there are new theme's to buy comng soon.

Fonts. What's to complain about...we can see them better. It's not like we lost some screen space or something. I rather like it.

Multi audio output. I've been screaming for this since day one. This isn't exactly what I had in mind, but better then nothing.

You can look at the new advertising in the xmb two ways. Batent and annoying, or easier to find new stuff. I don't like having the store in the game section AND the internet section too though...overkill.

The What's new section is just more advertising again, but does it really have to change the screen color when you highlight it?

hmmmmmm sparkles, me like sparkles

I like how background text fades away. I almost wish they would get rid of the folders everywhere look entirely but this is an improvement

The new status area in the top right corner is long overdue, and they actually FINALLY moved the battery status icon so we can can see it instead of it being over the clock like it used to be.

so far so good, need more time to test though

Tag66
09-02-09, 12:10 PM
After the 3.0 update was applied and the PS3 rebooted, the screen went black and stayed that way. I could move the stick left and right and hear the clicking but nothing on the screen. I pressed the on/off touch button until it turned off to reboot it again. Same thing again on startup, black screen. I then ate dinner and went back to reboot it again before researching online, and the PS3 XMB came up. A relief, but still disconcerting. Later in the evening, I popped in MLB09 The Show and at first the screen went wacky and pixelated. I had to quit out of the game and restart it and it worked fine.
Never had ANY issue prior to upgrading to 3.0. I hope they have some patches coming out to resolve these issues. While it looks pretty, I'm not too happy with the update.

zetram
09-02-09, 12:35 PM
Now it's time for the inevitable 3rd thread in a firmware's life cycle. The "it's coming" thread, the "it's here" thread, and finally the "it broke my PS3" thread.

ppshooky
09-02-09, 12:36 PM
I downloaded the Zebra animated background yesterday. Pretty cool. I think I'll keep it.

It's too bad you can't customize your own theme and change the icons. I liked the Killzone 2 Multiplayer icons.

KingShorty
09-02-09, 12:47 PM
The animations look nice for the theme, but I don't think it's worth it considering the text becomes invisible in the background.

_Avarice_
09-02-09, 12:58 PM
The LBP dynamic theme is great, albeit too expensive for a theme.

ppshooky
09-02-09, 01:25 PM
The animations look nice for the theme, but I don't think it's worth it considering the text becomes invisible in the background.
Yeah, changing the color of the text would help.

But, I was getting used to it.

Also, most of the stuff I scroll through has icons anyways. And it glows when you have it selected.

bob ross
09-02-09, 01:51 PM
If you use the Multi Output feature for audio in 3.00, the PS3 can no longer output 7.1 channels and uses 5.1 instead. It will tell you this when you select that option in the menu. If you are only outputting via one method (HDMI to receiver) you will still get 7.1 sound via PCM.

Optical has less bandwidth than HDMI for audio, so you are better off using HDMI if possible. Optical can't bitstream HD codecs or send LPCM for more than 2 channels.

Thanks for explaining!

lovswr
09-02-09, 02:00 PM
The damn update broke PS3 Media server


It had the opposite effect for me. 3.0 restored my ability stream video from the web via PS3 Media Server.

Legairre
09-02-09, 02:18 PM
The multi audio out feature is nice, but a bit of a let down. Sure now we can output to HDMI and the multi at the same time, but if you do, then your all HDMI 7.1 is downgraded to 5.1 at only 48kHz.

sticks1839
09-02-09, 03:13 PM
The multi audio out feature is nice, but a bit of a let down. Sure now we can output to HDMI and the multi at the same time, but if you do, then your all HDMI 7.1 is downgraded to 5.1 at only 48kHz.

Yeah, I don't have a need for it now, but it's going to cause problems for a lot of people. I just hope this isn't a limitation of the hardware (sound board), and is something they can fix via firmware.

sdmfer
09-02-09, 03:30 PM
Im quite happy with this 3.0 update. Streaming (wirelessly) from PS3 Media server works much better. I can now skip ahead in the file without any freezing and lag etc. Awesome...!

However, i have my ps3 setup on a 128" or so projector screen. So Im not a fan of the new large fonts and icons etc. Wonder if theres any way of changing this...

Legairre
09-02-09, 04:51 PM
I'm on a 108" screen from 12' away. I must be crazy, but I like the large fonts. Especially with the Little Big Planet theme.

thecrazykevy
09-02-09, 05:01 PM
I like the larger fonts too. Granted it is running on 42" plasma on 1080p res and I'm about 10-11 feet away. The older size was legible but a tad small to me.

zoro
09-02-09, 05:18 PM
Im quite happy with this 3.0 update. Streaming (wirelessly) from PS3 Media server works much better. I can now skip ahead in the file without any freezing and lag etc. Awesome...!

However, i have my ps3 setup on a 128" or so projector screen. So Im not a fan of the new large fonts and icons etc. Wonder if theres any way of changing this...

hmm! how come/ after 3.0, it was hard to fast forward while streaming even wired, slow, erratic, freeze! Am I missing a setting here?

wierdo
09-02-09, 05:57 PM
Which includes downgrading dts-hd and DD-hd down to regular DD and dts 5 channel
Most DTS-HD and TrueHD streams are already only 5.1. Only a few films are actually 7.1. There's a comprehensive list somewhere if you care to see which ones they are.

That's the main reason why I'm not interested in adding speakers to my setup.

The release notes only indicated that the other outputs would be sent as 2 channel. It didn't say anything about removing channels from the main output's mix, FWIW.

dcar76
09-02-09, 07:05 PM
The update completely ruined socom. It takes forever to find demo games and to find a room for my clan to find a game.

bdwright77
09-02-09, 08:56 PM
Zipper ruined Socom.

sdmfer
09-02-09, 09:00 PM
hmm! how come/ after 3.0, it was hard to fast forward while streaming even wired, slow, erratic, freeze! Am I missing a setting here?

Sorry are you saying that you are still having probs after the 3.0 update? Are you using ps3 media server?

Andrew67
09-02-09, 10:04 PM
From what I've read on various forums, this 3.0 update is a colossal failure. Annoying ticker, poorly designed friend list, and causes instability with two of the three games worth playing on the PS3 (Bioshock and Uncharted). They didn't screw the pooch with Gran Turismo, but that's not much of a compliment. Sony, you do beta test these things, right?

bdwright77
09-02-09, 10:20 PM
I need to update my earlier comment...PS3 Media Server DOES appear to be messed up. It'll play for a good 10 minutes, and then just speeds up uncontrollably, to a point where Tony Soprano sounds like Alvin.

gooki
09-02-09, 10:56 PM
Doot-doot-doot-doot-doot!

Vortex3D
09-02-09, 11:07 PM
From what I've read on various forums, this 3.0 update is a colossal failure. Annoying ticker, poorly designed friend list, and causes instability with two of the three games worth playing on the PS3 (Bioshock and Uncharted). They didn't screw the pooch with Gran Turismo, but that's not much of a compliment. Sony, you do beta test these things, right?

With how software are tested today, not just PS3, the user or gamer is the tester. Sony knows gamers can't wait and rush to download each new firmware. So, gamers become the best testers for Sony.

Bachiano
09-02-09, 11:11 PM
I like the larger fonts too. Granted it is running on 42" plasma on 1080p res and I'm about 10-11 feet away. The older size was legible but a tad small to me.

That's ok for your size. BUT, I'm in 100" screen and the font size looks ridiculous.
Please Sony give us the option to customize:rolleyes:
It cannot be that hard to let us revert to a Classic look.

MrHunt
09-02-09, 11:53 PM
Zipper ruined Socom.

How did Zipper ruin Socom? I thought Slant 6 made Confrontation? Or do you mean they ruined the series in general? :\

wierdo
09-03-09, 01:13 AM
From what I've read on various forums, this 3.0 update is a colossal failure. Annoying ticker, poorly designed friend list, and causes instability with two of the three games worth playing on the PS3 (Bioshock and Uncharted). They didn't screw the pooch with Gran Turismo, but that's not much of a compliment. Sony, you do beta test these things, right?
Heh, I thought it's generally better, but I have only played a couple of games since I upgraded. The text size isn't an issue on my 47" screen, and the ticker is fine by me. More importantly, they finally made it so the controller battery level icon doesn't obscure the clock in the in-game XMB, so one can quickly check the time in the middle of a game.

They also added a new UI element in long lists. After scrolling for a bit, a scroll bar pops up so you know how far along in the list you are.

I suppose now I should scurry off and see if my media streaming has gone screwy, although my limited testing earlier indicated it works fine, and did speed up the thumbnail generation in scene view mode.

gooki
09-03-09, 03:15 AM
With how software are tested today, not just PS3, the user or gamer is the tester. Sony knows gamers can't wait and rush to download each new firmware. So, gamers become the best testers for Sony.

I'm sure many gamers would prefer not to download all the firmware updates, but Sony makes them mandatory if you want to play online or access the psn.

wierdo
09-03-09, 03:50 AM
FWIW, I just streamed a two hour 1080p/DTS x264 video with no hiccups whatsoever. It worked just as well as the last two firmwares.

I haven't tried any DivX or MPEG-2 content yet.

CKWells
09-03-09, 05:48 AM
Where yesterday I could stream mp3's without any issues (wired), I now get hiccups every 2 minutes or so. Pretty crappy, but I don't mind everything else about the update...

Just concerned that now the streaming is fubar, which is more important to me than the visual changes.

d3code
09-03-09, 08:42 AM
i am playing bioshock at the moment and i dont have any issues at all with firmware 3.0

game is awesome when playing on expert mode without using vita chambers.

actually started playing the game on xbox360 but never finnished it. found the game for 10 euros for ps3 in a gameshop and playing it on ps3 nonstop. awesome game even it came out in 2007 first.

TyrantII
09-03-09, 09:35 AM
i am playing bioshock at the moment and i dont have any issues at all with firmware 3.0

game is awesome when playing on expert mode without using vita chambers.

actually started playing the game on xbox360 but never finnished it. found the game for 10 euros for ps3 in a gameshop and playing it on ps3 nonstop. awesome game even it came out in 2007 first.

Just got my Plat and got through survivor mode w/o chambers. Great game, although you do become too powerful towards the end, and the story kind of up's the tempo and gets lost.

Suntan
09-03-09, 09:37 AM
Could someone post what in particular is borked with Uncharted? I’m at work and the company firewall will not allow access to Joystiq…

-Suntan

SkyCyberguy
09-03-09, 09:43 AM
MP3 streaming hiccups here, too!
I use a LaCie Ethernet Disk Mini with TwonkyMedia on it.
No problems in the past - before firmware 3.0! :(

And they still didn't fix the HDMI flagging issue on PSone titles:
They are still output in 7.1 with 5.1 dead channels (only the stereos are active).
All the more annoying because 2 versions ago they had it right and then f*cked it up again...

Greets
Cyguy

Vizion47
09-03-09, 09:48 AM
I found a huge problem with fw3.00 IMO last night.

FW2.50 added the ability to use the official Playstation3 microphone. Whenever adjusting volume or muting it would pop up a little window in the top right corner. Now it doesn't display anything. I am extremely disappointed as that was one of my favorite features of the Mic.

boxterduke
09-03-09, 09:52 AM
i am playing bioshock at the moment and i dont have any issues at all with firmware 3.0
game is awesome when playing on expert mode without using vita chambers.
actually started playing the game on xbox360 but never finnished it. found the game for 10 euros for ps3 in a gameshop and playing it on ps3 nonstop. awesome game even it came out in 2007 first.

MP3 streaming hiccups here, too!
I use a LaCie Ethernet Disk Mini with TwonkyMedia on it.
No problems in the past - before firmware 3.0! :(

I think I've seen that if you change the setting of music to 48 mhz it should resolve this issue.

ppshooky
09-03-09, 10:57 AM
Okay, I turned off the "What's New" option, but it still shows "What's New".

Any idea why it's not going away?

TyrantII
09-03-09, 11:03 AM
Could someone post what in particular is borked with Uncharted? I’m at work and the company firewall will not allow access to Joystiq…

-Suntan

They said random freezing, and freezing about 30 min in. I'd be weary of antecedal evidence until you tried it yourself, since that's all the "news" was. "Reports" from across the net, which could be some kid with a peanut butter covered disk, or a bad PS3.

Vizion47
09-03-09, 11:08 AM
Okay, I turned off the "What's New" option, but it still shows "What's New".

Any idea why it's not going away?

You didn't turn off "What's New" as there is no way to do that. You just turned off "What's New" being the first thing you see when you boot your PS3.

Mikazaru
09-03-09, 11:33 AM
The main issue I have with this firmware update is that when bitstreaming DTS HD MA, if i pause or skip a chapter, the audio drops out. I have to cycle through the audio options in order to regain sound. Someone in the blu-ray subforum mentioned that this is an hdmi handshake issue with the receiver (Pioneer SC-05), but I didn't have this problem until I updated to 3.0. Also, there are no such problems with Dolby TrueHD.

I guess it's back to LPCM for me until Sony sorts this out.

ppshooky
09-03-09, 11:34 AM
You didn't turn off "What's New" as there is no way to do that. You just turned off "What's New" being the first thing you see when you boot your PS3.
Lame.

I'm pretty sure when I booted the PS3, it was still the first thing I saw.

I'll check that again.

Mr.BawkBaGawk
09-03-09, 11:49 AM
Mine freezes trying to play some WMV's. Booooo.

tleavit
09-03-09, 12:37 PM
I dont have freezing with TVersity. Watched a movie last night streaming with no problems.

zoro
09-03-09, 01:03 PM
Darn! I saw a pussy cat on my receiver lol! It lit with DOLBY EX display!

Mikazaru
09-03-09, 01:07 PM
They said random freezing, and freezing about 30 min in. I'd be weary of antecedal evidence until you tried it yourself, since that's all the "news" was. "Reports" from across the net, which could be some kid with a peanut butter covered disk, or a bad PS3.

It's true... the game is pretty much unplayable now. Hope they fix it soon, because I want to replay Drake's Fortune before Among Thieves hits in October.

Stryker412
09-03-09, 01:21 PM
It's true... the game is pretty much unplayable now. Hope they fix it soon, because I want to replay Drake's Fortune before Among Thieves hits in October.

Does it force you to upgrade to 3.0 if you want to play?

Legairre
09-03-09, 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by tleavit
Which includes downgrading dts-hd and DD-hd down to regular DD and dts 5 channel Most DTS-HD and TrueHD streams are already only 5.1. Only a few films are actually 7.1. There's a comprehensive list somewhere if you care to see which ones they are.

That's the main reason why I'm not interested in adding speakers to my setup.

The release notes only indicated that the other outputs would be sent as 2 channel. It didn't say anything about removing channels from the main output's mix, FWIW.There's over 200 BD with 7.1 and nearly 100 more with 6.1. Turning on multi audio out will also cause 6.1 to be downgraded to 5.1. I really wouldn't call 300 movies that will be downgraded to 5.1 by using the multi audio out feature, a few movies.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?action=search&audio=7.1&sortby=
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?action=search&audio=6.1&sortby=

Suntan
09-03-09, 01:54 PM
I'd be weary of antecedal evidence until you tried it yourself,

Hmmmm… Yes, the interwebs is full of misleading data. I am at the start of chptr 4 and was planning on playing it a lot this weekend… I’ll have to see for myself what the impact is.

-Suntan

JMII
09-03-09, 02:53 PM
Dynamic themes are a welcome addition, but to start us off with no dynamic themes whatsoever is just ridiculous. How will PlayStation 3 owners even know of this feature or try it out if we don't at least have a start-off theme?

It does come with one animate theme but I would like to see more. The only one I saw at the $tore was the one for LBP.

ppshooky
09-03-09, 03:24 PM
It does come with one animate theme but I would like to see more. The only one I saw at the $tore was the one for LBP.
If you have a Japanese account on our PS3, the Japan store has a Zebra animated theme from Afrika.

TyrantII
09-03-09, 03:37 PM
Hmmmm… Yes, the interwebs is full of misleading data. I am at the start of chptr 4 and was planning on playing it a lot this weekend… I’ll have to see for myself what the impact is.

-Suntan

Let us know! Mikazaru already confirmed he had issues.

:(


I was looking forward to an early Oct play through too to get ready.

fiddlesticks
09-03-09, 03:54 PM
I am not sure if it is FW3.0 related but I had 3 hard freezes, and several more lost connections last night while playing QoS online. I have only started playing the online last week but experienced no freezes in those few matches. Also Joystiq is reporting that Uncharted is experiencing freezing after the FW3.0 update.

Same here with Hot Shots Golf. Been playing online for a year and never had network issues or freeze-ups until I installed this firmware. :(

And the font and ticker needs to go, but whatever...

tingham
09-03-09, 07:35 PM
I have been "Mariah"d. I like the sparkles, especially for a background while playing music. It's that, or Earth for me!

KingShorty
09-03-09, 07:49 PM
I have been "Mariah"d. I like the sparkles, especially for a background while playing music. It's that, or Earth for me!

I hate it. I think I'm going to have one of Ben's "roger rabbit" pics as my background!

Mikazaru
09-04-09, 04:31 AM
Does it force you to upgrade to 3.0 if you want to play?

You are only forced to upgrade if you want to log onto PSN. Drake's Fortune doesn't have any online play, so if that game is your main focus right now, I would not update to 3.0 until things are sorted out.

Ripeer
09-04-09, 05:57 PM
Alright I've read through this whole thread.
I'm still confussed about audio.
Ionly use my ps3 for Blu-Ray HDMI to reciver in LPCM.
If I get this update..
I will no longer be able to enjoy DTSHD etc?!?! I'll be back to DTS and DD?

eddy_winds
09-04-09, 06:19 PM
I'll be back to DTS and DD?

Nope..

Larhalt
09-04-09, 08:29 PM
i liked the firmware i dont get the bashing

WilliamR
09-04-09, 08:37 PM
Alright I've read through this whole thread.
I'm still confussed about audio.
Ionly use my ps3 for Blu-Ray HDMI to reciver in LPCM.
If I get this update..
I will no longer be able to enjoy DTSHD etc?!?! I'll be back to DTS and DD?

It only messes up if you manually select multi-out option. If you only use HDMI, don't select multi, you will be fine.

I on the other hand need both and am REALLY dissapointed that this option messes up the audio. I think it is big f-up, but that is me, the rest of the update is good to go.

eddy_winds
09-04-09, 08:51 PM
this option = 5.1 not 7.1

Is all

Goatse
09-05-09, 12:28 PM
dts audio from mkv2vob is broken with this update, all i'm getting is static.

tleavit
09-05-09, 03:53 PM
I use TVersity to stream to all 3 of my PS3's and Ive now confirmed on all 3 that my mp3 track advancement is now instantaneous. Before, I would be listening to a mp3 and advance to the next song and there would be a 2-4 second delay. Now it clicks immediately.

It could be indicative of a better connection to a network media source in general.

Lee K
09-05-09, 05:26 PM
dts audio from mkv2vob is broken with this update, all i'm getting is static.
No it's not.

Make sure you have the volume at 0 and not +1 or +2 or anything.

zetram
09-05-09, 05:36 PM
It only messes up if you manually select multi-out option. If you only use HDMI, don't select multi, you will be fine.

I on the other hand need both and am REALLY dissapointed that this option messes up the audio. I think it is big f-up, but that is me, the rest of the update is good to go.

Has anyone confirmed this. The warningnon the option says it only gimps the secondary audio. So who needs dts HD into their tv?

Megalith
09-05-09, 06:04 PM
Why is the font size 90 and the new, ugly PS3 slim logo being used?

funkymunky123
09-05-09, 06:13 PM
has anybody had any problems with their offical playstation headset since firmware update? i heard some say it took the onscreen display away but the headset still worked. i went to play some burnout with an online friend and his headset doesnt work at all anymore..

i suggested that he resync it with the ps3 so he deleted it to resync it but hes having trouble re-syncing it now...it scans & wont find the headset.

wierdo
09-05-09, 06:30 PM
dts audio from mkv2vob is broken with this update, all i'm getting is static.
Use m2ts instead of vob.

Goatse
09-05-09, 07:09 PM
No it's not.

Make sure you have the volume at 0 and not +1 or +2 or anything.

awesome, that did the trick. Thanks!

Nethervue
09-05-09, 07:15 PM
dts audio from mkv2vob is broken with this update, all i'm getting is static.

I'll go update my PS3 and give it a whirl...let you know if I get static as well.

WilliamR
09-05-09, 07:54 PM
Has anyone confirmed this. The warningnon the option says it only gimps the secondary audio. So who needs dts HD into their tv?

It tells you all this when you go to select the option. the screen warns you of the changes.

A lot of people use HDMI directly to thier receiver and a lot use Optical to the receive but HDMI to the TV. It is important and I feel they messed this up.

Nethervue
09-05-09, 07:56 PM
dts audio from mkv2vob is broken with this update, all i'm getting is static.

I'll go update my PS3 and give it a whirl...let you know if I get static as well.

No issues here m8. DTS is loud and clear on my end. Using Tversity, not sure if you are straming or not.

zoro
09-05-09, 08:47 PM
No issues here m8. DTS is loud and clear on my end. Using Tversity, not sure if you are straming or not.

Tversity can not stream dts

zetram
09-05-09, 08:47 PM
has anybody had any problems with their offical playstation headset since firmware update? i heard some say it took the onscreen display away but the headset still worked. i went to play some burnout with an online friend and his headset doesnt work at all anymore..

i suggested that he resync it with the ps3 so he deleted it to resync it but hes having trouble re-syncing it now...it scans & wont find the headset.

No issues w/ mine. I tested it out. The display comes up when i power it on and it syncs, when I mute, and when I hit pwr. The only time it seems to not dispaly is when I hit the volume.

Also it's been working fine in Fat Princess... btw I finally figured out you have to hit R2 to talk in that game about 5 days ago :o

zetram
09-05-09, 08:48 PM
It tells you all this when you go to select the option. the screen warns you of the changes.

A lot of people use HDMI directly to thier receiver and a lot use Optical to the receive but HDMI to the TV. It is important and I feel they messed this up.

So why what's the issue w/ making the optical your main and hdmi your secondary? Can you not do that?

Nethervue
09-05-09, 09:11 PM
Tversity can not stream dts

Really? Cause I'm using Tversity to stream my media and yes, my little DTS light is lit up. All Tversity is doing is streaming my video that was "converted" with MKV2VOB. MKV2VOB can convert videos with DTS and yes Tversity can stream those to your PS3. You may want to do some research first or ask for clarification before saying something isn't possible.

KingShorty
09-05-09, 09:46 PM
has anybody had any problems with their offical playstation headset since firmware update? i heard some say it took the onscreen display away but the headset still worked. i went to play some burnout with an online friend and his headset doesnt work at all anymore..

i suggested that he resync it with the ps3 so he deleted it to resync it but hes having trouble re-syncing it now...it scans & wont find the headset.

It doesn't take away the on-screen display, however, I have noticed that the on-screen display does take a bit longer to show up. It also takes a tad bit longer for the PS3 to realize that the headset is on.

If he's having trouble pairing it by having the headset set to "discoverable" and the PS3 scanning for it, then tell your friend to plug the USB into the headset and then into the PS3. If it is the "official" PS3 BT headset, then it will automatically pair in that manner.

Goatse
09-05-09, 09:54 PM
No issues here m8. DTS is loud and clear on my end. Using Tversity, not sure if you are straming or not.

apparently I had change the volume on the ps3, if you go over 0 it sends out a loud static.

Nethervue
09-05-09, 10:05 PM
apparently I had change the volume on the ps3, if you go over 0 it sends out a loud static.

Good to hear man, glad it was an easy fix!

WilliamR
09-06-09, 10:02 AM
So why what's the issue w/ making the optical your main and hdmi your secondary? Can you not do that?

Because when you enable dual, Optical is reduced to 5.1. I loose my 7.1. Some games are more then 5.1. If you enable dual it screws you over.

Ripeer
09-06-09, 12:59 PM
Why would you want dual audio output? I mean you can only listen to one at a time right?

funkymunky123
09-06-09, 01:02 PM
Why would you want dual audio output? I mean you can only listen to one at a time right?

it gives the option to use tv speakers when the kids are sleeping, or to be able to send music to your receivers zone 2 in another room or outside.....

wierdo
09-06-09, 01:38 PM
So why what's the issue w/ making the optical your main and hdmi your secondary? Can you not do that?
Optical can't carry more than 5.1 of DTS or AC3 or 2 channels of PCM. It has a maximum bitrate of 1.5Mbps. So in addition to reducing the maximum number of channels you can have, it also takes away the ability to have lossless audio in movies and games that support it.

Optical is not good for much if your receiver supports HDMI. It might be useful for getting audio into your TV if your TV supports optical input, which some do, although with only 2 speakers in most all TV sets, there's not any downside to using analog into the TV.

And just FWIW, I have the option of using my TV speakers at any time using only HDMI. PS3->HDMI->AVR->HDMI->TV. Sound comes out of the receiver, and if I so choose (I don't, I just turn down the volume and turn on dynamic range compression at night) sound will come out of the TV.

mike50
09-06-09, 02:55 PM
I don't know much about divx not being there in the first place. There is an option under Video to get a divx VOD registration code... is that what you are looking for?

No, I'm looking for the option to play divx and avi video files. I understand that with rev 2.7 this option was lost. So, is it back with rev 3.0?

Legairre
09-06-09, 03:03 PM
Optical can't carry more than 5.1 of DTS or AC3 or 2 channels of PCM. It has a maximum bitrate of 1.5Mbps. So in addition to reducing the maximum number of channels you can have, it also takes away the ability to have lossless audio in movies and games that support it.Not sure where you heard that, but lossy DTS 6.1 Discrete has been around for many many years and carried over optical long before HDMI was ever invented. There's plenty of movies that are DTS 6.1 Discrete and receivers decode it now as true 6.1 over optical just as they have for a long time. http://www.spannerworks.net/reference/10_6a.asp Sure optical can't carry HD audio, but it can carry more than 5 channels.

zetram
09-06-09, 03:32 PM
I think weirdo missed the point of my post completely.

wierdo
09-06-09, 03:52 PM
Not sure where you heard that, but lossy DTS 6.1 Discrete has been around for many many years and carried over optical long before HDMI was ever invented. There's plenty of movies that are DTS 6.1 Discrete and receivers decode it now as true 6.1 over optical just as they have for a long time. http://www.spannerworks.net/reference/10_6a.asp Sure optical can't carry HD audio, but it can carry more than 5 channels.
It carries a maximum of 1.5Mbps. I thought the AC-3 limitation on 5.1 also applied to DTS. (This doesn't count matrixing, of course)

Not that I'd want more than 5.1 channels in 1.5Mbps anyway. Lossy codecs sound bad enough as it is. Not that I realized that until I heard some DTS-HD MA and TrueHD tracks.

Edited to add: I lied. It's just that 1.5Mbps DTS is about all most equipment will support. Some will do 96kHz 24 bit stereo PCM given the right source and AVR.

wierdo
09-06-09, 04:05 PM
I think weirdo missed the point of my post completely.
No, I didn't miss the point. Some of us like being able to use the high resolution codecs over HDMI. That isn't possible over SPDIF.

brakel
09-06-09, 04:44 PM
has anybody had any problems with their offical playstation headset since firmware update? i heard some say it took the onscreen display away but the headset still worked. i went to play some burnout with an online friend and his headset doesnt work at all anymore..

i suggested that he resync it with the ps3 so he deleted it to resync it but hes having trouble re-syncing it now...it scans & wont find the headset.

If it is the official PS3 headset then there shouldn't be any scanning. You have to open the little door at the end and plug a USB cable in to synch it to the PS3. Otherwise you are synching the PS3 headset like it is a regular blue tooth set and not getting any of the features of the PS3 headset.

funkymunky123
09-06-09, 05:28 PM
If it is the official PS3 headset then there shouldn't be any scanning. You have to open the little door at the end and plug a USB cable in to synch it to the PS3. Otherwise you are synching the PS3 headset like it is a regular blue tooth set and not getting any of the features of the PS3 headset.

yeh he might have been using discovery mode...he's got it working great now..resync with the usb did the trick

zetram
09-06-09, 05:40 PM
No, I didn't miss the point. Some of us like being able to use the high resolution codecs over HDMI. That isn't possible over SPDIF.

yeah... you did. cuz I was referring to people w/ none HDMI receivers w/ ps3. connected to tv with HDMI.

context is important :p

Legairre
09-06-09, 06:33 PM
It carries a maximum of 1.5Mbps. I thought the AC-3 limitation on 5.1 also applied to DTS. (This doesn't count matrixing, of course)

Not that I'd want more than 5.1 channels in 1.5Mbps anyway. Lossy codecs sound bad enough as it is. Not that I realized that until I heard some DTS-HD MA and TrueHD tracks.

Edited to add: I lied. It's just that 1.5Mbps DTS is about all most equipment will support. Some will do 96kHz 24 bit stereo PCM given the right source and AVR.You are correct optical will only carry 1.5Mbps, but the DD(AC3) 5.1 limitation does not apply to DTS. The limitation is of Dolby's DD(AC3) not a limitation of the optical spec. Optical can carry more than 5.1 channesl. DTS does 6.1 Discrete(true 6th channel ) just fine over optical.

I do agree that True-HD and DTS-HD MA sound a lot better than the old lossy codecs

scanido
09-06-09, 07:46 PM
I'm surprised no one picked this issue up yet, but prior to the 3.0 upgrade I was able to browse my Pictures library or song library when a song is playing. Now when you press the PS button while a song is playing you must stop playback!!! :mad:

Is there anyway I can uninstall this firmware???

Martez
09-06-09, 07:48 PM
*sigh*

gooki
09-06-09, 08:03 PM
I'm surprised no one picked this issue up yet, but prior to the 3.0 upgrade I was able to browse my Pictures library or song library when a song is playing. Now when you press the PS button while a song is playing you must stop playback!!!

Turn off upsampling of music

Is there anyway I can uninstall this firmware???

No.

vhato
09-06-09, 08:32 PM
Since 3.0, when I put in a Blu-Ray disc, it no longer AutoStarts, however the option is indeed enabled.

Any ideas?

Legairre
09-06-09, 08:59 PM
Since 3.0, when I put in a Blu-Ray disc, it no longer AutoStarts, however the option is indeed enabled.

Any ideas?I noticed this too. No idea why though.

Mikazaru
09-06-09, 10:53 PM
Since 3.0, when I put in a Blu-Ray disc, it no longer AutoStarts, however the option is indeed enabled.

Any ideas?

Yeah, this feature seems to no longer work when inserting the disc while the PS3 is off. Apparently you have to take the extra step of turning it on first now.

scanido
09-07-09, 12:19 AM
Turn off upsampling of music



No.

this worked!

Thanks so much!

Suntan
09-07-09, 09:39 AM
Let us know! Mikazaru already confirmed he had issues.

:(


I was looking forward to an early Oct play through too to get ready.

Yup. 4 or 5 minutes into chapter 4 (just walking through the jungle) the game locked hard. Had to cycle the power to get the PS3 to respond. :mad:

-Suntan

JamesC
09-07-09, 09:41 AM
I have a couple of HD videos (TS files) on my PS3 and the audio stopped working a couple of updates ago. I'm happy to see the audio works again with 3.0.

WilliamR
09-07-09, 09:44 AM
Why would you want dual audio output? I mean you can only listen to one at a time right?

I don't want to always turn my receiver on to play a game, people in the house sleeping, or just not in the mood for that much sound.

WilliamR
09-07-09, 09:47 AM
Optical can't carry more than 5.1 of DTS or AC3 or 2 channels of PCM. It has a maximum bitrate of 1.5Mbps. So in addition to reducing the maximum number of channels you can have, it also takes away the ability to have lossless audio in movies and games that support it.

Optical is not good for much if your receiver supports HDMI. It might be useful for getting audio into your TV if your TV supports optical input, which some do, although with only 2 speakers in most all TV sets, there's not any downside to using analog into the TV.

And just FWIW, I have the option of using my TV speakers at any time using only HDMI. PS3->HDMI->AVR->HDMI->TV. Sound comes out of the receiver, and if I so choose (I don't, I just turn down the volume and turn on dynamic range compression at night) sound will come out of the TV.

As stated earlier, DTS is definitely 6.1. I can confirm this because when I oput in blu-rays that are in DTS I can push a button and have my receiver tell me what it is broadcasting and receiving and it always comes up 6.1.

gooki
09-07-09, 05:48 PM
Why would you want dual audio output? I mean you can only listen to one at a time right?

Also very handy for those of us with headphones. It allows HDMI to go to the receiver and optical to a dolby headphone processor/amp.

joeblow
09-07-09, 07:51 PM
Apparently, Sony added an Echo Cancel option in 3.0 to minimize looping feedback when using mics.

Video instructions. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEPq4TKNkI)

blklightning
09-07-09, 07:57 PM
3.0 ftl. skate 2 is all kinds of weird after this update. fix your ****, sony.

blklightning
09-07-09, 08:12 PM
Apparently, Sony added an Echo Cancel option in 3.0 to minimize looping feedback when using mics.

Video instructions. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEPq4TKNkI)

just calibrated mine. they need to hype this feature up a lot more. hell, it should ask you if you want to calibrate if it's not already done.

funkymunky123
09-07-09, 08:33 PM
just calibrated mine. they need to hype this feature up a lot more. hell, it should ask you if you want to calibrate if it's not already done.

seems like the option is greyed out if you own the official headset & have it in HQ mode.

89MustangGX
09-08-09, 03:04 AM
Since the 3.0 update I now have a little information center in the top right corner of my screen -- the date and time are there of course, but I have an extra scrolling advertisement area as well as maybe some chat icons???

How do I get rid of these extras? I think I turned them off in a prior update, but can't seem to find the option now.

Adam

KingShorty
09-08-09, 04:43 AM
Since the 3.0 update I now have a little information center in the top right corner of my screen -- the date and time are there of course, but I have an extra scrolling advertisement area as well as maybe some chat icons???

How do I get rid of these extras? I think I turned them off in a prior update, but can't seem to find the option now.

Adam

Aren't you LTTP. You can't turn off anything that is in the top right corner. You're just going to have to do what many others have done, either create a Japan or European PSN ID and use that to auto log-in or you're just going to have to learn to deal with it.

Nethervue
09-08-09, 10:10 AM
Aren't you LTTP.

Had to Google that one...must be getting old!

89MustangGX
09-08-09, 10:45 AM
Aren't you LTTP. You can't turn off anything that is in the top right corner. You're just going to have to do what many others have done, either create a Japan or European PSN ID and use that to auto log-in or you're just going to have to learn to deal with it.

I can live with it if I have to, it was just driving me nuts that I couldn't find where to turn it off and I knew I had before!

Thanks,

Adam

eddy_winds
09-08-09, 10:55 AM
PS3 - Firmware 3.01 Possibly Available Next Week

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/update-on-ps3-firmware-3-00/

TyrantII
09-08-09, 11:05 AM
PS3 - Firmware 3.01 Possibly Available Next Week

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/update-on-ps3-firmware-3-00/

any word on changes / fixes?

Let's hope Sony listened and allows some customization.

Vizion47
09-08-09, 11:13 AM
Q&A coming at least to the PS EU Blog.

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2009/09/07/playstation-3-platinum-range-expands/#comment-21058

Don’t worry. The Q&A is coming tomorrow. We’ve been trying to get accurate responses to as many of your questions as possible.

joeblow
09-08-09, 11:42 AM
Hopefully instead of 3.01 it is version 2.99 :). They just need to add more user-control toggles for the new visual changes and all is good.

TyrantII
09-08-09, 12:05 PM
Hopefully instead of 3.01 it is version 2.99 :). They just need to add more user-control toggles for the new visual changes and all is good.

I'd be fine with the friends boxes, if we could choose colors and opacity.

Sony gave us the ability to create themes, so why not give us options over the whole damn thing...

joeblow
09-08-09, 01:51 PM
Over 10,000 people responded to GameZine.uk's poll, (http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/formats/playstation3/over-10-000-votes-what-you-like-dislike-in-firmware-3-0-$1325460.htm) which was then forwarded to Sony. Perhaps it will help them prioritize what needs to be adjusted:

What do you LIKE in the new PS3 3.0 Firmware Update?



New Animated Themes - 1,366 (20%)
New Status Indicator with Clock/Battery Fix - 1,154 (17%)
Controlling Videos with Right Analogue Stick - 827 (12%)
Multi-Outputs for Audio - 821 (12%)
'What's New' Section - 764 (11%)
New Font Size and Blurring Feature - 485 (7%)
PlayStation Store Short-Cuts - 465 (7%)
New Scrolling Ticker - 409 (6%)
PS3 Logo missing from Game Start-Up - 377 (5%)
New Friends List - 236 (3%)


What do you DISLIKE in the new PS3 3.0 Firmware Update?



New Friends List - 1,228 (31%)
New Font Size and Blurring Feature - 650 (17%)
PS3 Logo missing from Game Start-Up - 552 (14%)
PlayStation Store Short-Cuts - 499 (13%)
New Scrolling Ticker - 423 (11%)
'What's New' Section - 292 (7%)
New Status Indicator with Clock/Battery Fix - 103 (3%)
Controlling Videos with Right Analogue Stick - 64 (2%)
Multi-Outputs for Audio - 61 (2%)
New Animated Themes - 54 (1%)

joeblow
09-08-09, 06:51 PM
Here's the first response by Sony UK at their blog... more responses tomorrow:

Many of you have been asking why we haven’t responded to your complaints about last week’s 3.0 update until now. Sorry it’s taken us a while to get back to you – this is obviously an emotive subject and there have been a lot of issues raised surrounding the release, so we wanted to make sure we could come back to you with a comprehensive response that answers your most frequently asked questions.

I don’t like the “Fizz”. How do I turn it off?

To turn the fizz off, go to the Theme Settings under Settings on the XMB, you can choose different themes from here. “Classic” is the default theme without the fizz.


Where’s the game start chime gone? Why would you remove it?

One of the reasons we removed the PS3 jingle is that it was created to indicate the start of a game, but now we’re offering non-game content such as Vidzone in addition to games. More importantly though, this change makes the loading time a bit quicker than before, which we think will be a noticeable benefit for all game users.


The BBC iPlayer icon hasn’t appeared on the XMB. How can I get it?

There are 2 criteria for the presence of the iPlayer icon on the XMB:

(1) A PSN account or guest account as a UK resident

(2) A PS3 console sold in the UK. If you don’t have either of them, the icon will not show up. You can access the BBC iPlayer without the icon, by using the PS3 browser. The quickest way to get around it, is to type “iplayer” in the Google search shortcut on the XMB and click “iplayer” from the search result. You will be redirected to the PS3 special site of iPlayer, where you can then press “Select” to add to your bookmark.

For a better experience in the future, we are looking at the possibility of removing point (2). However (1) is required to identify your country of residence.


I don’t like the size of the font and the icons. Why can’t I change it back to its old size?

Based on your feedback, we are looking at the possibility of making the changes optional.


The US and Japan have a few Dynamic Themes available already. Where are ours?

The Dynamic Themes were supplied to all three regions at the same time, but unfortunately, due to the complexities of the PAL region’s PlayStation Store publishing process, they missed our publishing window last week. (Remember, we have 29 stores across 25 countries, which require the use of 13 currencies and 8 languages, so it’s more difficult for us to publish last minute content than it is for either the US or Japan). We can confirm that some Dynamic Themes will be made available on the EU Store this week, and we have a little surprise prepared especially for our PAL readers that we hope you’ll agree is worth the wait!


I used to be able to surf the net and listen to music simultaneously. Now I can’t. Why?

The PS3 extended the upsampling capability to audio tracks stored on HDD and storage media with v3.00. Some function on the XMB such as the internet browser and photo gallery outputs with 48KHz only so you need to set audio outputs as 48Khz to enjoy music and net surfing.


The first thing I see when I turn my PS3 on is adverts. What does this offer me?

It’s not just about adverts — the primary role of the “What’s New” screen is to get you into the game more quickly. You’ll be able to jump straight into the last three games or applications that you’ve been using. It’s basically acts as a short-cut to the games that are resident on the HDD, so that they can be automatically booted up rather than having to go via the game selection icons on the XMB. In addition, “What’s New” will give you a chance to discover some of the best deals on offer, read about the hottest stories currently making news across the web or even give you a heads up about some exclusive content our own EU Blog. We’re planning to improve “What’s New” in the future with some exciting content and customisation, so we eagerly await your feedback and ideas.


Uncharted freezes ever since 3.00 was released. Is there a fix coming soon?

We’re aware of the problem with Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune following the latest system software update and have a team working hard to isolate the issue. We’ll update further information here on the blog, as and when we get it. We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused and appreciate your patience and understanding.

bdwright77
09-08-09, 07:05 PM
The small tweaks making the new settings optional will be a great improvement. I personally am still having a VERY difficult time adjusting to the screen blur effect when making a selection. Also, while the friends list may be ugly, I do not find that to be a problem. I don't spend very much time just mucking about in the friends list, but I am constantly making selections and navigating folders, dealing with that M 'n Fin' blur effect! :o

Thanks for the info, Joe.

Hughmc
09-08-09, 09:04 PM
HolY. Is it me or placebo. I got home last night after being away two weeks and did the 3.0 download. I played some MP3's with the upsampling from my PC to my PS3 into my Denon (which maybe part of it as it always had good sound even on MP3's) and it sounds close to SACD. Now separate sounds so much but the quality and clarity seems better.

joeblow
09-09-09, 12:19 AM
Here's a new anti-ticker technique...

Go into your system's Date/Time settings, manually select 2010 as the current year, reset the PS3 and it'll never come up.

Ticker begone!

zetram
09-09-09, 01:51 AM
HolY. Is it me or placebo. I got home last night after being away two weeks and did the 3.0 download. I played some MP3's with the upsampling from my PC to my PS3 into my Denon (which maybe part of it as it always had good sound even on MP3's) and it sounds close to SACD. Now separate sounds so much but the quality and clarity seems better.

No they definitely improved the music upsampling, I can hear a mark improvement as well.

confidenceman
09-09-09, 03:53 AM
Finally got most of my gear hooked up in my new digs, so I was able to dl and check out the new firmware tonight.

A few thoughts from a latecomer:

-Most negative reactions are just knee-jerk reactions against change of any kind. The changes in 3.0 aren't really that major, especially compared to the NXE launch.

-It's pretty obvious that the friends list change is in anticipation of adding more info to the list. I doubt changing the color of the rectangle will matter once it's filled with trophy and other info.

-The text size is really bad. I thought the PS3 had switched to 480p mode somehow because of my move across town. Nope.

Everything else seems like a bunch of small, welcome improvements. Glad Sony finally got around to (mostly) fixing the multichannel issue with 2-channel games. Now I don't know what to complain about...

chilipad
09-09-09, 12:09 PM
So does the ps3 media server still work or not?

wierdo
09-09-09, 02:13 PM
So does the ps3 media server still work or not?
Other streaming software works, and I've seen others report that it does, so it probably does. If not, it's probably an issue with the app and not the firmware.

Suntan
09-09-09, 02:39 PM
So does the ps3 media server still work or not?

Worked for me last night. Although I didn’t watch for more than about 5 minutes of any one show.

-Suntan

zoro
09-09-09, 04:11 PM
Other streaming software works, and I've seen others report that it does, so it probably does. If not, it's probably an issue with the app and not the firmware.

It does! I tried new beta that screwed up every thing. reverted back.

jbsimm2
09-09-09, 04:18 PM
I just got a ps3 the other day, and dl'd 3.0. I don't get what you guys are talking about text size and blur. my text is so small I have trouble reading it. is that the problem? also I don't understand the blur. I don't get any kind of blur.

eddy_winds
09-09-09, 04:21 PM
I don't get what you guys are talking about text size and blur. my text is so small I have trouble reading it.



The text was smaller before 3.0

zetram
09-09-09, 04:49 PM
I just got a ps3 the other day, and dl'd 3.0. I don't get what you guys are talking about text size and blur. my text is so small I have trouble reading it. is that the problem? also I don't understand the blur. I don't get any kind of blur.


when you access folders it blurs the background

Ripeer
09-10-09, 12:51 PM
what size is your screen?

eddy_winds
09-10-09, 02:02 PM
Have a UK account? Today when the UK store updates they will be getting a free Wipeout HD dynamic theme.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/10/free-wipeout-hd-theme-toda
y/

KingShorty
09-10-09, 02:06 PM
Have a UK account? Today when the UK store updates they will be getting a free Wipeout HD dynamic theme.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/10/free-wipeout-hd-theme-toda
y/

Awesome.

Edit:
I just picked up the theme off the UK store. It looks pretty cool. It definitely gives the PS3 a more futuristic and mature look.

confidenceman
09-10-09, 02:51 PM
Have a UK account? Today when the UK store updates they will be getting a free Wipeout HD dynamic theme.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/09/10/free-wipeout-hd-theme-toda
y/Excellent. Thanks for the heads up. :D

wierdo
09-10-09, 03:24 PM
So I guess we're the only ones who don't get a free dynamic theme? (aside from the default)

Aren't we special.

bdwright77
09-10-09, 04:05 PM
Some pretty awesome mock-ups of a new friend's list:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/10/sony-looking-into-changing-PS3s-newly-redesigned-friends-list/#comments

confidenceman
09-10-09, 05:40 PM
So I guess we're the only ones who don't get a free dynamic theme? (aside from the default)

Aren't we special.Well, since it takes roughly 2 minutes to set up a foreign account (multiply by 3 if you get Japan, HK, and UK accounts), if one store gets a free theme, everyone gets one. The joys of having a (mostly) region-free console!

TyrantII
09-10-09, 05:49 PM
Some pretty awesome mock-ups of a new friend's list:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/10/sony-looking-into-changing-PS3s-newly-redesigned-friends-list/#comments

Those silly Asians really need to hire an American interface developer.

newfmp3
09-10-09, 08:01 PM
after a week of use..

text size is easier to read...I like it.

the blurring is a bit annoying as well as the vanishing text

Would really like less blatent advertising, or better yet, let me choose my startup page ie, vids or games or whats new etc

small issues, overall nice update & I love the multi audio out

Martez
09-10-09, 09:14 PM
Vanishing text isn't new.

KingShorty
09-10-09, 09:28 PM
Those silly Asians really need to hire an American interface developer.

Wow!... just, wow!

fcorona76
09-10-09, 09:36 PM
after a week of use..

text size is easier to read...I like it.

the blurring is a bit annoying as well as the vanishing text

Would really like less blatent advertising, or better yet, let me choose my startup page ie, vids or games or whats new etc

small issues, overall nice update & I love the multi audio out

You CAN turn off the "Whats New" ******** advertising from the System Options. I'm hoping the text size & blurring can be toggled in the near future.

TyrantII
09-10-09, 10:12 PM
Wow!... just, wow!

:)

What? Sonys main Hardware Dev teams, R&D, and company execs are all Asian, are they not? They're a Japanese company..

gooki
09-10-09, 10:53 PM
You'd be amazed how much is driven by marketing. And with all the wooha about he slim being casual focused in USA and Eurpoe I wouldn't be surprised if some of the odd UI change requests came from outside ASIA.

Combine that with a deadline to release the firmware with the slim launch the R&D groups might have just buckled to the pressure rather than fighting for what they believe is better.

jbsimm2
09-11-09, 10:40 AM
what size is your screen?

42". I didn't see what the text size was before 3.0 because the first time I turned it on it updated.

The text still seems very small to me. I don't have the greatest eye sight, but I'm not mister magoo or anything.

I also don't notice the bluring thing, but I don't have a wallpaper or theme or anything. just the purple background with the sparkles.

eddy_winds
09-11-09, 11:04 AM
They said random freezing, and freezing about 30 min in. I'd be weary of antecedal evidence until you tried it yourself, since that's all the "news" was. "Reports" from across the net, which could be some kid with a peanut butter covered disk, or a bad PS3.

It's true... the game is pretty much unplayable now. Hope they fix it soon, because I want to replay Drake's Fortune before Among Thieves hits in October.

Uncharted seems to freeze fairly regularly. You may discovered if you change your theme to one of the old style static themes (don't used the fancy new one) that it doesn't freeze nearly at all. Probably the OS and the game don't play nicely together in RAM... Anyhow.. (try it) just throwing the FYI out there for those having the same probs

Report back plz
;)

rolltide1017
09-11-09, 12:22 PM
PS3 - Firmware 3.01 Possibly Available Next Week

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/09/update-on-ps3-firmware-3-00/
There is nothing in that blog entry that talks about an update coming next week. It just states that Sony is looking into the problems and wil provide an update as soon as possible. Nothing about it coming next week. "Soon as possible" could mean 3 months from now.

newfmp3
09-11-09, 02:36 PM
42". I didn't see what the text size was before 3.0 because the first time I turned it on it updated.

The text still seems very small to me. I don't have the greatest eye sight, but I'm not mister magoo or anything.

I also don't notice the bluring thing, but I don't have a wallpaper or theme or anything. just the purple background with the sparkles.

you are now officially Mr. Magoo :)

bassmonkeee
09-11-09, 03:11 PM
you are now officially Mr. Magoo :)

A Mr Magoo reference? You are now officially old. :D

Conspiracy*
09-11-09, 05:37 PM
-The text size is really bad. I thought the PS3 had switched to 480p mode somehow because of my move across town. Nope.
...

Are you sure it didn't? My slim after 3.0 has reverted back to 480i three times since the update. Hasnt done it in about a week however. When I go change it back to 1080i the icons/font all look exactly like they did pre3.0.

I have had NO issues with 3.0 now that I"ve gotten used to it. The Friends list is still ugly but im not staring at it all the time. Whats new is mildly annoying but useful if all u want to do is launch the last game you played. I just need some UGC animated themes!

jayoldschool
09-13-09, 02:28 PM
Anyone figure out how to fix the "Disc Auto-Start" problem? Mine is still set to ON, but discs don't auto start since 3.0...

iSean
09-13-09, 03:00 PM
Anyone figure out how to fix the "Disc Auto-Start" problem? Mine is still set to ON, but discs don't auto start since 3.0...

Turn off the "What's New" section. That should help with the auto disc start.
I would try this:
Go to Settings>System Settings>Display (What's New)>Off
After that, go to:
Settings>System Settings>Disc Auto-Start>On

jayoldschool
09-13-09, 03:07 PM
Turn off the "What's New" section. That should help with the auto disc start.
I would try this:
Go to Settings>System Settings>Display (What's New)>Off
After that, go to:
Settings>System Settings>Disc Auto-Start>On

lol, I have already turned off What's New... no luck...

phipp01
09-13-09, 06:15 PM
lol, I have already turned off What's New... no luck...
Me too. Turned off "whats new" right after updating FW and auto start has always been enabled for me. Hopefully next FW fixes that problem

jayoldschool
09-13-09, 07:48 PM
I can't believe this one is broken! I mean, it's one of their main options!

Hughmc
09-14-09, 04:40 AM
I tried turning off what's new several times and restarting, yet it is still there. I have also experience freezing on my 80g which I never have in two years. Gladiator BD has an issue and others are starting to report it as well since 3.0 update. Disc doesn't load and it seems to be related to the BD java utility file for Gladiator as deleting it or disabling internet allows the BD to play just fine. I have also seen in the PS forums that there are way more problems and complaints after this update than ANY going back to the beginning in 2006/07. They have one thread with a petition list with quite a lot of posters. Many seem genuinely pissed off.

While I like some features of this update, I don't think I have ever had problems or complained about an update like I have with 3.0. It is very buggy. I think Sony was doing right by us all along, but this update seems like they were going for too much making the software a bit overdone and changing the look too much. It is almost like they have a whole different set of software people in control now. They are thinking too much as in book smart and brain dead. :D

I am one who sits 7ft from my 60 inch display, so the XMB was fine just the way it was. Now zoomed, it doesn't look or work as well on my display.

confidenceman
09-14-09, 05:12 AM
I tried turning off what's new several times and restarting, yet it is still there.You can't make it go away. You can only make it not default to "What's New" when you boot up the system.

I have also seen in the PS forums that there are way more problems and complaints after this update than ANY going back to the beginning in 2006/07. They have one thread with a petition list with quite a lot of posters. Many seem genuinely pissed off.Even if this update has led to a bunch of bugs, it's leading to many more rumors of bugs than actual bugs. Any time there's a big firmware change like this, the number of complaints escalates--regardless of whether they're founded or not. I'm not saying that your (or anyone else's) glitchy firmware experience isn't true, only that you can't use the number of forum complaints as an accurate measure of actual problems.

IMO the improvements far outweigh the issues in this update. The new and remaining problems are much smaller than those prior to the update. Sure, problems still exist, but they're infinitely smaller than the ones that used to exist.

There's no such thing as a perfect OS. There will always be problems no matter how many times Sony (or MS or Nintendo) makes over their OS. Even if the total number of problems remains constant (or even increases), their severity decreases over time.

gooki
09-14-09, 05:31 AM
IMO the improvements far outweigh the issues in this update. The new and remaining problems are much smaller than those prior to the update. Sure, problems still exist, but they're infinitely smaller than the ones that used to exist.

I, and many others would disagree with you there.

There's no such thing as a perfect OS. There will always be problems no matter how many times Sony (or MS or Nintendo) makes over their OS. Even if the total number of problems remains constant (or even increases), their severity decreases over time.

I agree there's no such thing as a perfect OS, but a constantly changing OS that takes two steps forward and one step back has it downfalls. At least with a static OS with minor bugs, developers will be aware of many of them and can work around it.

Breaking game playback can really piss-off developers, and developer support is something Sony needs this generation.

Hughmc
09-14-09, 05:33 AM
You can't make it go away. You can only make it not default to "What's New" when you boot up the system.

Even if this update has led to a bunch of bugs, it's leading to many more rumors of bugs than actual bugs. Any time there's a big firmware change like this, the number of complaints escalates--regardless of whether they're founded or not. I'm not saying that your (or anyone else's) glitchy firmware experience isn't true, only that you can't use the number of forum complaints as an accurate measure of actual problems.

IMO the improvements far outweigh the issues in this update. The new and remaining problems are much smaller than those prior to the update. Sure, problems still exist, but they're infinitely smaller than the ones that used to exist.

There's no such thing as a perfect OS. There will always be problems no matter how many times Sony (or MS or Nintendo) makes over their OS. Even if the total number of problems remains constant (or even increases), their severity decreases over time.

I am not going to debate about what you are claiming and overall I like the update, but the fact is that I haven't had any issues with my 80g in two years and after this update I have several that I know are related to the update. Unfortunately there is no "even if" this time as this update is definitely buggy. While the bugs can be fixed I am one who is getting to the point of leave well enough alone. I know we can always say that and then another update comes out surprising us of more and better, but if the updates are more smoke and mirrors, like advertising and gimmicks to get us to buy more or pretty up the XMB, as opposed to functionality improvements, they are really unnecessary and asking for problems and then backlash.

Hughmc
09-14-09, 05:35 AM
I, and many others would disagree with you there.

I think that maybe the case as well. This update seems to be more buggy than any previous and the changes drastic enough, like to the XMB, that people who are used to the way it was are getting a bit ticked off with too many changes.

Mikazaru
09-14-09, 06:35 AM
Anyone figure out how to fix the "Disc Auto-Start" problem? Mine is still set to ON, but discs don't auto start since 3.0...

The feature just works differently now. If you look at the fine print description under the Disc Auto-Start option, it says "Sets whether to automatically start a disc WHEN it is inserted". It works as described just fine for me. Maybe some people were unhappy with the way it worked before, so Sony changed it.

jayoldschool
09-14-09, 12:52 PM
The feature just works differently now. If you look at the fine print description under the Disc Auto-Start option, it says "Sets whether to automatically start a disc WHEN it is inserted". It works as described just fine for me. Maybe some people were unhappy with the way it worked before, so Sony changed it.

That's the problem. It DOESN'T work. I put a disc in, and it doesn't start.

phipp01
09-14-09, 01:19 PM
That's the problem. It DOESN'T work. I put a disc in, and it doesn't start.
Maybe the FW 3.0 bricked your PS3 :D

Have you tried cycling the auto start off, then reboot the PS3 then do the same when you set it to "on"? Only thing I can think of

Mikazaru
09-14-09, 01:54 PM
That's the problem. It DOESN'T work. I put a disc in, and it doesn't start.

Oh, Okay. Before firmware 3.0 (maybe sooner -- I actually don't normally use the feature), I remember that when you enabled Auto-Disc Start, if you had left a disc inside your PS3, upon turning your console on, the disc would automatically play. Also, the feature would work when inserting a disc while your PS3 was in standby, which it no longer does. I thought that maybe you were expecting things to be the same.

phipp01
09-14-09, 03:05 PM
Oh, Okay. Before firmware 3.0 (maybe sooner -- I actually don't normally use the feature), I remember that when you enabled Auto-Disc Start, if you had left a disc inside your PS3, upon turning your console on, the disc would automatically play. Also, the feature would work when inserting a disc while your PS3 was in standby, which it no longer does. I thought that maybe you were expecting things to be the same.
AHHHHH OK I get what he's saying now. I just checked my PS3 and it doesn't auto start. Useless feature now if they dont fix it.

jayoldschool
09-14-09, 05:16 PM
I remember that when you enabled Auto-Disc Start, if you had left a disc inside your PS3, upon turning your console on, the disc would automatically play. Also, the feature would work when inserting a disc while your PS3 was in standby, which it no longer does. I thought that maybe you were expecting things to be the same.

Yes, it used to work that way. Now it doesn't. What's the point of an "Auto Start" selection, if it doesn't work? If the PS3 is on standby, and I shove a disc in, do they think I want to look at the XMB? GRRRRR

phipp01
09-14-09, 05:18 PM
Yes, it used to work that way. Now it doesn't. What's the point of an "Auto Start" selection, if it doesn't work?
I agree 100%. Totally useless feature now. I didnt realize it until someone pointed out what you meant. Hundreds of times I've thrown a BD in and walked away and done something for a few minutes to get past all the BS at the beginning, just another extra step to take now.

Hughmc
09-14-09, 06:31 PM
I agree 100%. Totally useless feature now. I didnt realize it until someone pointed out what you meant. Hundreds of times I've thrown a BD in and walked away and done something for a few minutes to get past all the BS at the beginning, just another extra step to take now.


Umm..this isn't directed towards you..yet how many were complaining there was no eject feature from the controller until they did a firmware update. Same thing if you are getting up anyway for a single disc machine...convenience, but certainly not a necessity.

rolltide1017
09-14-09, 06:32 PM
Oh, Okay. Before firmware 3.0 (maybe sooner -- I actually don't normally use the feature), I remember that when you enabled Auto-Disc Start, if you had left a disc inside your PS3, upon turning your console on, the disc would automatically play. Also, the feature would work when inserting a disc while your PS3 was in standby, which it no longer does. I thought that maybe you were expecting things to be the same.
Yep, this changed with 3.0.

Disc will not auto start when inserted if the PS3 is in standby mode or off. Same with a disc left in the PS3 and turning it on, will not auto start now. This is not a bug but the way 3.0 auto-start is suppose to work. Mine still auto-starts if the PS3 is already turned on and I insert a disc. IMO, this is a welcome change. I always hated how a disc would auto start if I left it in the PS3 overnight or if I inserted a disc while it was turned off. You have to turn most BD players on first before you can open the disc trey so, just turn it on first then insert the disc. Plus, with the logitech harmony adapter, my PS3 is turned on when I switch to that activity so; by the time I'm ready to insert the disc, the PS3 is already on anyway.

The majority of complaints about 3.0 I have read online are not about bugs in the software, just people who do not like the changes. Just because one may not like those changes doesn't make it a bug.

My biggest gripe about 3.0 is how it has caused a problem with some BD playback. The PS3 has never had BD playback issues but, now that 3.0 has introduced some, Sony has been very slow to react. Other companies would have already released a new firmware fixing the playback issues by now, yet Sony has barely respond to them.

I do not have a problem with the cosmetic changes but, I do have a problem with the BD playback issues since that is why I bought my PS3. Sony's lack of response is very disappointing and proves that BD playback really isn't a priority for them (on the PS3 at least).

phipp01
09-14-09, 06:49 PM
Umm..this isn't directed towards you..yet how many were complaining there was no eject feature from the controller until they did a firmware update. Same thing if you are getting up anyway for a single disc machine...convenience, but certainly not a necessity.
I never once complained about that. I have always turned thePS3 on and the game inside of it I let go through the crap that it does or put a BD in and walked away for a few minutes to let it load to get to a screen I could FF through. Dont know why you decided to single my post out and then say "not directed towards you". But let me ask you WTF is the use of having auto start feature when they disable it with a FW? Or is that me doing some more complaining about the PS3 which BTW I never do :rolleyes:

phipp01
09-14-09, 06:55 PM
Yep, this changed with 3.0.

Disc will not auto start when inserted if the PS3 is in standby mode or off. Same with a disc left in the PS3 and turning it on, will not auto start now. This is not a bug but the way 3.0 auto-start is suppose to work. Mine still auto-starts if the PS3 is already turned on and I insert a disc. IMO, this is a welcome change. I always hated how a disc would auto start if I left it in the PS3 overnight or if I inserted a disc while it was turned off. You have to turn most BD players on first before you can open the disc trey so, just turn it on first then insert the disc. Plus, with the logitech harmony adapter, my PS3 is turned on when I switch to that activity so; by the time I'm ready to insert the disc, the PS3 is already on anyway.

The majority of complaints about 3.0 I have read online are not about bugs in the software, just people who do not like the changes. Just because one may not like those changes doesn't make it a bug.

My biggest gripe about 3.0 is how it has caused a problem with some BD playback. The PS3 has never had BD playback issues but, now that 3.0 has introduced some, Sony has been very slow to react. Other companies would have already released a new firmware fixing the playback issues by now, yet Sony has barely respond to them.

I do not have a problem with the cosmetic changes but, I do have a problem with the BD playback issues since that is why I bought my PS3. Sony's lack of response is very disappointing and proves that BD playback really isn't a priority for them (on the PS3 at least).
I hope you do realize that before 3.0 if you went into system settings then turned OFF auto start that would not happen. All they did was cripple the auto start feature. If you dont expect a disc to start when you put it in any machine nowadays you are an idiot. Auto start to me was when you turned the machine on or turned it on by inserting a disc it would, get this, AUTOMATICALLY START!!!!!!!

gooki
09-14-09, 08:14 PM
My biggest gripe about 3.0 is how it has caused a problem with some BD playback. The PS3 has never had BD playback issues but, now that 3.0 has introduced some, Sony has been very slow to react. Other companies would have already released a new firmware fixing the playback issues by now, yet Sony has barely respond to them.

If done right Sony will have a much lengthier QA process for firmware updates than a BD player manufacturer as they have to ensure any fix to the BD playback section doesn't effect the multitude of other features.

And I agree with phipp01, as far as auto start is concerned, the way its implemented now you may as well turn it off.

Maybe Sony intentionally limited auto start functionality to force more people to see the "what's new" section, so they can say to content creators we have xxx,xxx people viewing the "what's new" every week, now give us wads of cash in exchange for product placement.

The funniest thing for me is the what's new section takes so long to load I never see "what's new".

jayoldschool
09-14-09, 09:04 PM
I always hated how a disc would auto start if I left it in the PS3 overnight or if I inserted a disc while it was turned off.

GET REAL! If you didn't like that, then you should have turned AUTO START OFF.

I'm not complaining about a bug. I'm complaining about a feature that has been removed. Don't give me BS about how "it is better now".

/rant

:)

_Avarice_
09-14-09, 10:28 PM
3.01 is up.

rolltide1017
09-14-09, 10:29 PM
You get real and I do like it better now. I never wanted to turn auto start off because I wanted a disc to auto start when I put it in the PS3 if the PS3 was already on. How is that any different from every other DVD and BD player were you have to turn it on first, then open the trey and put the disc in? Seriously, show me a typical DVD/BD player were you can put the disc in without turning it on first. I understand that Sony altered the way the feature works but don't give me this BS that they removed the feature because it is still there.

I didn't even use it that often the way you guys are talking about. I usually always turn the PS3 on and then put the disc in and, guess what, it still auto starts when doing it that way.

phipp01
09-14-09, 10:30 PM
get real! If you didn't like that, then you should have turned auto start off.

I'm not complaining about a bug. I'm complaining about a feature that has been removed. Don't give me bs about how "it is better now".

/rant

:)
+69 :)

Vizion47
09-14-09, 11:17 PM
Apparently 3.01 is out. Stated as non mandatory.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d14-Firmware-31-Live

As promised, Sony has released a new firmware to fix the problems that the 3.0 firmware update caused for many PS3 owners. The update is not a mandatory update and will not kick you off an online session or require you to update your system. This is purely your choice.

Whether this new patch fixes any other problems or adds in new content hasn't been discovered, yet. It's safe to assume it'll only fix the previous freeze problems and glitches that the 3.0 firmware caused three weeks ago. You may want to update just to be on the safe side, but it's up to you.

One of the only new options found is the option to take away the sparkles from the XMB. Aside from that, everything else looks the same.

If any new features are found, I'll update this post to let you know. Stay tuned.

musick
09-14-09, 11:20 PM
^ sparkle removing was already an option in 3.0
it was one of the first things I did

Vizion47
09-14-09, 11:22 PM
^ sparkle removing was already an option in 3.0
it was one of the first things I did

I know, but multiple people are reporting it's live.

zoro
09-14-09, 11:36 PM
Apparently 3.01 is out. Stated as non mandatory.

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Providence-Video-Game-Examiner~y2009m9d14-Firmware-31-Live

might as well try, as amazon sending me a replacement.

gooki
09-14-09, 11:37 PM
Seriously, show me a typical DVD/BD player were you can put the disc in without turning it on first. I understand that Sony altered the way the feature works but don't give me this BS that they removed the feature because it is still there.

Show us a CD/DVD/BD player that doesn't auto play the disc if it's turned on with a disc still in it?

I think the big pissa here is Sony changed functionality that no one was complaining about.

Mikazaru
09-15-09, 12:22 AM
I have downloaded and installed 3.01.

1) Uncharted no longer freezes (did not play for very long, but made it way past previous freeze points).
2) Sorry Pioneer receiver owners -- the DTS HD MA bitstreaming issue still exists.
3) Don't own Gladiator BD, so I cannot say whether the playback issues were corrected or not. Maybe someone else can chime in.
4) No changes in functionality or cosmetics to XMB (ie. auto-disc start, friends list etc)

Hughmc
09-15-09, 02:56 AM
I never once complained about that. I have always turned thePS3 on and the game inside of it I let go through the crap that it does or put a BD in and walked away for a few minutes to let it load to get to a screen I could FF through. Dont know why you decided to single my post out and then say "not directed towards you". But let me ask you WTF is the use of having auto start feature when they disable it with a FW? Or is that me doing some more complaining about the PS3 which BTW I never do :rolleyes:


I was using your post about autostart is useless and relating the same is true for the eject feature for the same reason, getting up anyway. Now if anyone should be rolling their eyes it should be me. No need to read into what I posted or get defensive when I was agreeing with you. :D

eddy_winds
10-07-09, 10:29 AM
A disgruntled PlayStation 3 owner in Florida has filed a class action lawsuit against Sony,
claiming that a firmware update made live in early September caused PS3 units to
"malfunction and actually damaged the hardware on many units."
The suit claims Sony is charging $150 to repair PS3s with "sustained hardware damage" from the update.

After some early reports of a problem with update 3.0, Sony issued a fix,
but the Florida man claims Sony's update doesn't actually correct the problem.
In fact, he says the "fix" actually caused further problems with the console's Blu-ray drive.

The suit accuses SCEA of breach of implied warranty, negligence, negligent misrepresentation,
unjust enrichment, and other counts.
The suit is seeking restitution, unspecified monetary damages and legal fees.
As of yet, Sony hasn't commented on the matter.

Although I've read a few scattered posts on the internet about the issue,
my PS3 is fine, and no one I know has had this happen to his or her system either
-- G4 has a lot of PlayStation 3 owners, too.
Still, there are scattered reports on the internet,
and a guy in Florida is angry enough to sue, so maybe there is something to this.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/699786/Man-Files-Class-Action-Suit-Against-Sony-For-PlayStation-3-Firmware-Update-Issues.html

bassmonkeee
10-07-09, 10:42 AM
It's interesting to note that they guy who brought the suit just bought his PS3 in January, and is still under warranty, so he wouldn't have had to pay $150.