So now we'll be getting yet a 3rd version of BHD. This time it's from Universal in Germany.

http://www.amazon.de/Black-Hawk-Down-Blu-ray-Hartnett/dp/B002NJ9AWA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252107903&sr=1-3

This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this. :)

Personally, I'm hoping ALL of the extras from the 3 DVD set will be included.

Thanks DigiFreak. I hope it features English subtitles.

Thanks DigiFreak. I hope it features English subtitles.

Nearly all german BDs feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.

Sweet, I just got the CEE The Last Samurai with TrueHD and maybe this one will be a nice upgrade as well.

My dad just got his first HDTV and BD player, so my old disks will find a nice home.

Nearly all german BDs feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.

Correction required in your statement: Nearly all german BDs released by Hollywood based Studios feature english audio and most of them also english subs. So, there's a very good chance.

This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this. :).

Its certainly an interesting movie for codecs. But just to be clear a codec is basicly just some specification on how you decode an encode.

It all comes down to how the encoding program uses the codec.

Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

Yes indeed, but it could be fun to see how the VC1 version will differ. I have the impression but I havnt confirmed it, that all three codecs handles grainstructures a bit differently.

to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert). the US 5.1 LPCM is better.
concerning the video though, the nordic AVC encode had less blocking / better grain.

so lets see if the german disc should be better anyhow.

to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert). the US 5.1 LPCM is better.
concerning the video though, the nordic AVC encode had less blocking / better grain.

so lets see if the german disc should be better anyhow.

Why would the LPCM be better the the DTS HD MA regardless to how the 7.1 is or not:confused:

Why would the LPCM be better the the DTS HD MA regardless to how the 7.1 is or not:confused:Because how they mix it is more important than what codec they do or don't use.

to me the 7.1 DTS-HD MA track from the nordic disc didnt sound that impressive (some say its only an 7.1 upconvert).
Aren't nearly all 7.1-channel soundtracks "upconverts"? The last time I heard, very few if any movies are made with 7.1 sound in their theatrical releases.

Remix is the word your looking for.

Has anyone seen this version? how does it compare to the nordic version?

Mine is pre-order. No idea as of yet.

http://www.hd-reporter.de/blu-ray-reviews/black-hawk-down-blu-ray/

So all the extras are back then!

So all the extras are back then!

Why "back"?

They're on the UK and US BD as well. At least the main Making Of and the commentaries.

I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu

Are the German subtitles burnt in- anyone..?

I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu


Oooohhh, I did not know that. In fact, I just watched some features from my 3-disk dvd this weekend. My BD doesn't have anything much past the awesome commentaries and the Essence of Combat feature which is one of my favorite making-of docs ever. All movies need to have making-of docs like this.

I thought The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down was truncated on the Blu

It's not on this version:http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=2136.

Times link up.

It "seems" like all the extras from the first and second DVD's are on there. None from the 3rd.

Hmmm. I've got the R3 Superbit Deluxe DVD set, and I swapped out the first disc with the UK BD, so I've got all the extra features and whatnot. But the prospect of having all that goodness in one itty-bitty 5" disc is definitely appealling...

So now we'll be getting yet a 3rd version of BHD. This time it's from Universal in Germany.

http://www.amazon.de/Black-Hawk-Down-Blu-ray-Hartnett/dp/B002NJ9AWA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252107903&sr=1-3

This one will be VC1 and DTS-MA. For anyone who wants to do a comparison of the 3 video codecs and audio formats will have a field day with this. :)

Personally, I'm hoping ALL of the extras from the 3 DVD set will be included.

its avc and not vc-1.

its avc and not vc-1.

You know you're quoting a post that was over a year ago, right?

tech info...

Bild-/Video-Format: 2.35 : 1

Video-Codec: MPEG-4 AVC / 1080p 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Video-Bitrate ca. 27 Mbps

Audio:
Englisch
Deutsch
Audiokommentar 1
Audiokommentar 2
Audiokommentar 3
DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 2146 kbps
DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 2053 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
DTS 2.0 (48 kHz/16 Bit) 320 kbps
Untertitel/Subtitles: Deutsch (auch für Audiokommentare)

Ø Total Bitrate: ca. 34,6 Mbps

Kapazitätsausnutzung:
utilization of capacity: 45,11 GB (BD-50 = max. 46,57 GB) = 96,87 %

Well in Sweden we have great Disc of BHD with DTS HD MA 7.1 and an MPEG4/AVC encode.

Is there a DTS HD MA 7.1 English track on that version?

Is there a DTS HD MA 7.1 English track on that version?

Yes, they dont dub movies here in scandinavian, except some pixar/animations, but in those, there is always original english track.

What i wonder is, do that scandinavian blu-ray have that 6-8hz ****in irene bass. Dvd didn't have that or it was very veak signal.

Are the German subtitles burnt in- anyone..?

Nope. No burnt in german subtitles.

Yes, they dont dub movies here in scandinavian, except some pixar/animations, but in those, there is always original english track.

What i wonder is, do that scandinavian blu-ray have that 6-8hz ****in irene bass. Dvd didn't have that or it was very veak signal.

Pretty sure all that 6-8hz stuff is in the dvd. It's been well documented before Blu-ray was on the market.

Nope. No burnt in german subtitles.

Thanks. :)

Why would the LPCM be better the the DTS HD MA regardless to how the 7.1 is or not:confused:

Hi there- I am in Ireland is there a website where I can buy the 7.1 Scandanavian bluray?....

Yes, they dont dub movies here in scandinavian, except some pixar/animations, but in those, there is always original english track.

What i wonder is, do that scandinavian blu-ray have that 6-8hz ****in irene bass. Dvd didn't have that or it was very veak signal.

Awesome!

Going to try and find a place to order it.

Thanks!

Pretty sure all that 6-8hz stuff is in the dvd. It's been well documented before Blu-ray was on the market.

I was talking scandinavian dvd, not much 6-8hz bass there.

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http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/irenedts.jpg
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http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm111/lfeman/irenedd.jpg

Question is, did they use same audio master to scandinavian/german dts 7.1 blu-ray?

Ahh, sorry bout that. I did not know it was filterd overseas. Odd...kinda like how we got shafted on Master and Commander on BD.

Digitalfreak, any idea when you will be getting it? Im very curious.

You started the thread a year ago thats a long pre-order :)

Digitalfreak, any idea when you will be getting it? Im very curious.

You started the thread a year ago thats a long pre-order :)

I ordered a bunch of titles from Germany. My mom is visiting relatives next week and picking up all my stuff. ;) Saves on shipping.

I won't have it for at least a couple of weeks, when she gets back.

You know you're quoting a post that was over a year ago, right?

didnt even see that. hahaha

well heres the BDinfo


Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
00001.MPLS AVC 2:24:35 37,535,188,992 48,430,282,323 34.61 26.97 DTS-HD Master 5.1 2146Kbps (48kHz/16-bit) DTS 2.0 320Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)




DISC INFO:

Disc Title: BLACK_HAWK_DOWN_BD
Disc Size: 48,430,282,323 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: Yes
BDInfo: 0.5.4

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00001.MPLS
Length: 2:24:35 (h:m:s)
Size: 37,535,188,992 bytes
Total Bitrate: 34.61 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 26974 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2146 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2146 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio German 2053 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2053 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS Audio English 320 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 320 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio English 320 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 320 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio English 320 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 320 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics German 28.414 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 62.640 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 65.443 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 58.046 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 1.480 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00021.M2TS 0:00:00.000 0:00:16.474 51,425,280 24,972
00001.M2TS 0:00:16.474 2:24:19.150 37,483,763,712 34,630

CHAPTERS:

Number Time In Length Avg Video Rate Max 1-Sec Rate Max 1-Sec Time Max 5-Sec Rate Max 5-Sec Time Max 10Sec Rate Max 10Sec Time Avg Frame Size Max Frame Size Max Frame Time
------ ------- ------ -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- --------------
1 0:00:00.000 0:09:20.768 25,917 kbps 36,161 kbps 00:01:32.300 35,248 kbps 00:01:13.031 34,910 kbps 00:00:42.917 135,111 bytes 389,247 bytes 00:05:07.557
2 0:09:20.768 0:10:54.654 27,044 kbps 36,635 kbps 00:12:16.777 34,961 kbps 00:17:43.103 34,809 kbps 00:17:40.768 140,997 bytes 561,258 bytes 00:12:17.445
3 0:20:15.422 0:09:40.788 26,585 kbps 35,946 kbps 00:23:29.991 34,641 kbps 00:23:59.855 33,796 kbps 00:23:58.854 138,601 bytes 385,376 bytes 00:29:56.211
4 0:29:56.211 0:07:57.351 26,787 kbps 36,800 kbps 00:32:36.037 35,118 kbps 00:30:22.862 34,540 kbps 00:30:15.146 139,655 bytes 430,118 bytes 00:32:37.038
5 0:37:53.562 0:09:09.632 28,756 kbps 38,643 kbps 00:42:06.815 35,607 kbps 00:42:02.811 34,811 kbps 00:44:00.763 149,923 bytes 353,063 bytes 00:39:39.960
6 0:47:03.195 0:07:53.222 28,195 kbps 36,165 kbps 00:50:46.334 34,977 kbps 00:48:06.883 34,851 kbps 00:48:07.009 146,997 bytes 343,917 bytes 00:50:45.375
7 0:54:56.418 0:08:05.985 31,943 kbps 36,661 kbps 00:55:33.371 35,145 kbps 00:55:22.152 34,913 kbps 00:55:07.053 166,538 bytes 371,333 bytes 00:59:10.004
8 1:03:02.403 0:09:06.837 32,116 kbps 36,811 kbps 01:04:47.049 35,225 kbps 01:10:05.451 34,950 kbps 01:09:03.639 167,438 bytes 399,400 bytes 01:10:10.205
9 1:12:09.241 0:07:38.499 29,511 kbps 36,694 kbps 01:14:11.405 35,150 kbps 01:14:07.484 34,721 kbps 01:15:09.588 153,855 bytes 375,848 bytes 01:15:13.592
10 1:19:47.741 0:10:32.590 29,593 kbps 37,693 kbps 01:23:10.068 35,158 kbps 01:23:06.064 34,855 kbps 01:23:01.017 154,287 bytes 411,082 bytes 01:29:37.622
11 1:30:20.331 0:09:59.015 24,454 kbps 35,698 kbps 01:34:49.642 34,884 kbps 01:34:52.269 34,703 kbps 01:34:52.061 127,494 bytes 333,968 bytes 01:37:46.694
12 1:40:19.346 0:08:56.786 26,999 kbps 35,415 kbps 01:47:19.432 34,416 kbps 01:42:42.155 31,953 kbps 01:48:51.107 140,759 bytes 307,357 bytes 01:42:42.364
13 1:49:16.132 0:10:47.646 28,662 kbps 36,446 kbps 01:50:48.141 34,999 kbps 01:56:38.908 34,903 kbps 01:56:33.945 149,429 bytes 314,411 bytes 01:52:54.893
14 2:00:03.779 0:09:51.799 30,081 kbps 37,418 kbps 02:00:21.339 35,098 kbps 02:06:23.367 34,858 kbps 02:06:10.271 156,828 bytes 360,900 bytes 02:05:20.763
15 2:09:55.579 0:06:34.060 24,773 kbps 36,056 kbps 02:10:31.156 35,000 kbps 02:11:26.962 34,892 kbps 02:10:50.801 129,157 bytes 329,324 bytes 02:10:10.761
16 2:16:29.639 0:08:05.985 7,813 kbps 33,393 kbps 02:24:25.948 27,203 kbps 02:24:22.070 25,410 kbps 02:23:25.805 40,735 bytes 221,977 bytes 02:21:38.948

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets
---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- -----
00021.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B AVC 16.308 18,155 37,008,395 201,342
00021.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x86 DTS-HD MA deu (German) 16.308 2,085 4,249,372 25,985
00021.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x86 DTS-HD MA eng (English) 16.308 2,085 4,249,372 25,985
00021.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 16.308 321 655,080 4,635
00021.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 16.308 321 655,080 4,635
00021.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 16.308 321 655,080 4,635
00021.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 16.308 0 70 7
00021.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 16.308 0 70 7
00021.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 16.308 0 70 7
00021.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 16.308 0 70 7
00021.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 16.308 0 70 7
00001.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0x1B AVC 8658.984 26,992 29,214,941,012 158,897,275
00001.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x86 DTS-HD MA deu (German) 8658.984 2,053 2,222,570,524 13,423,098
00001.M2TS 4353 (0x1101) 0x86 DTS-HD MA eng (English) 8658.984 2,146 2,322,655,648 13,993,359
00001.M2TS 4354 (0x1102) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 8658.984 318 344,201,504 2,435,388
00001.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 8658.984 318 344,201,504 2,435,388
00001.M2TS 4356 (0x1104) 0x82 DTS eng (English) 8658.984 318 344,201,504 2,435,388
00001.M2TS 4608 (0x1200) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 8658.984 28 30,813,959 177,762
00001.M2TS 4609 (0x1201) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 8658.984 63 67,930,334 380,900
00001.M2TS 4610 (0x1202) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 8658.984 66 70,969,303 397,724
00001.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 8658.984 58 62,947,995 352,489
00001.M2TS 4612 (0x1204) 0x90 PGS deu (German) 8658.984 1 1,604,519 9,043


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Thanks for the specs, but that bitrate graph is for a different playlist.

So is there any advantage to this release vs. the Nordic disc? The video bitrate is lower and it's 5.1 instead of 7.1.

Bitrate graph is for a Bonus Feature i guess :)

Didn't the Nordic version have a pink tint?

Didn't the Nordic version have a pink tint?

Claimed to be a bit more red, look at post #16, I don't see it;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1084038

Awesome!

Going to try and find a place to order it.

Thanks!

Any luck finding a place to order this?

Is anyone able to connect to Axelmusic Denmark website?...

Bitrate graph is for a Bonus Feature i guess :)

my bad hahaha

heres the main chart
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That's an interesting brightness difference. Can anyone get us caps of the US version?

few more
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Here's a matching shot from the Sony disc:
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On the German encode they've cropped the slightly blurry letterbox edges and it doesn't have the tiny MPEG2 blocks, otherwise it's very similar.

Why the hell is it pink!

The text is better on the Nordic version but the German version is clearly more detailed.

Might have to consider a making a hybrid using the DTS MA 7.1 audio from the Nordic and the video from the German for the best of both worlds, (that is if I can find the Nordic version)

The text is better on the Nordic version but the German version is clearly more detailed.
The German cap is in the middle of the fade-out, it's not something you can use for comparison.

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now, there some confusion. compare with here http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/77343/picture:1

in those 2 pics above, the nordic disc is the uncropped one with the more yellow and waxy look, while the german disc is slightly cropped, is more detailed and a bit greener. in that link above, its exact the other way round.

so please, double check labels of pics again. in one case, there must be a mixup.

here are more pics from the nordic and the US disc (mpc & ffdshow & haali was used back then; haali in general gives the picture a little red push), please post some german comparison pics against them: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15379591#post15379591

Ok so where can you buy the Swedish/Scandanavian release of Black Hawk Down....???...no point in talking about it if it cannot be purchased anywhere, right?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

rather wait until its clear which version is better, the nordic or the german one. the audio of the nordic one is already inferior to the US disc, in case its the same compared to the german disc you might end up buying a completely inferior presentation.

someone able to compare the english truehd track to the US LPCM one, is it comparably good? because the nordic 7.1 one was kinda flat, not good at all.

now, there some confusion. compare with here http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/77343/picture:1

in those 2 pics above, the nordic disc is the uncropped one with the more yellow and waxy look, while the german disc is slightly cropped, is more detailed and a bit greener. in that link above, its exact the other way round.

so please, double check labels of pics again. in one case, there must be a mixup.

here are more pics from the nordic and the US disc (mpc & ffdshow & haali was used back then; haali in general gives the picture a little red push), please post some german comparison pics against them: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15379591#post15379591

there is NO mix up. those two screens are labed correctly.

rather wait until its clear which version is better, the nordic or the german one. the audio of the nordic one is already inferior to the US disc, in case its the same compared to the german disc you might end up buying a completely inferior presentation.

someone able to compare the english truehd track to the US LPCM one, is it comparably good? because the nordic 7.1 one was kinda flat, not good at all.

What's wrong with the Scandinavian audio track?? Are you just basing this off someone posting that the DVD is filtered below 8hz??

I would love to know how many people even have subwoofer system that come close to being able to dip down to 8hz with authority. I guarantee MOST won't even come close...

Going to have to back that one up, my disc sounds fine.

no, Ive listened to both and the nordic 7.1 track really didnt sound as good as the 5.1 lpcm.

So you properly level matched the 2 tracks? That doesn't mean the volume on the AVR is the same either.

i cant remember what the settings have been, but fact is for me that the nordic track sounded kind of flat in comparison.

Well, that's kind of meaningless unfortunetly. When you compare 2 soundtracks which are different codecs, you need to do proper level matching. Its not surprising that a PCM track would be "hotter" than a Dolby or DTS track if you just pop the disc in and make sure the receiver volume is set to the same for both. That is not proper level matching.

So far, there is no info in this thread to make any believe any of these Blu-ray releases have any difference in Sound Quality (besides 1 being mixed with 2 addition channels) besides a DVD having sub 8hz filtering, which none of us would have even known without seeing those graphs...

nah, I've watched them as remux on my PC (and receiver) and I've converted both tracks to .flac with eac3to which means dialnorm and DRC both got removed. and I've limited the 7.1 output to 5.1, because I don't have 7.1. theoretically, the 7.1 track could sound as good or maybe better on a 7.1 system, dunno. but on a 5.1 system, it did not.

(to anticipate the question: I guess the remaining 2 channels didn't get dropped, I used the madflac filter and to me it sounds unlikely that madshi would allow lossless sound not being put out as lossless by dropping audio information. So I guess the sound of those 2 additional channel has been put out via those 5.1 channels, but you'd have to ask madshi in order to clear this up).

alright, has been cleared up, those 2 images from the comparison I posted were mixed up, youngryus ones are right.

so the german BD has better PQ than the nordic one. remains the question regarding the audio, how good or bad it is

alright, has been cleared up, those 2 images from the comparison I posted were mixed up, youngryus ones are right.

so the german BD has better PQ than the nordic one.



Perhaps, or it could be the brighter image on the German version is highlighting detail that is masked in the darker Nordic version.

I think i will probably go with the german.

Sorry if I missed it, but i glanced through the thread and didn't see. Is this region free?? The video does look better than the Nordic version.

This version of Black Hawk Down looks like the one to get! Does the disc give you a choice of what languages the menus are available in?

So is the German disc superior to the US release in terms of PQ/AQ?

So is the German disc superior to the US release in terms of PQ/AQ?
I posted one shot on the previous page you can compare. The German disc has only a very slight edge in compression, the source looks the same. But if you can't pick out the MPEG2 blocks on the US disc, you're not going to be seeing any difference.

I posted one shot on the previous page you can compare. The German disc has only a very slight edge in compression, the source looks the same. But if you can't pick out the MPEG2 blocks on the US disc, you're not going to be seeing any difference.

How about audio quality? Any difference in the mix or LFE?

FYI: I was able to get my hands on the Nordic version from here http://www.gucca.dk/ I had to use a Danish to English translator, ordered it on the 9th got it on the 17th.

I can verify it is Region B, I had to rip it, make it region free, and reburn it to watch it on my HT. Which is ok I just swap out the single disc case for a two disc case to hold both.

As for the sound, I can tel you the DTS HD MA 7.1 blows away the DD 5.1 included and I got plenty of rumbling bass. However it has been a long time since I watched this on DVD so I can't tell you what if any booming bass is not there. I do believe they could have done more with it but I like thundering bass.

Here is a cover shot;

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/821/bhawk.th.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/bhawk.jpg/)

Here is a screenshot I took for comparison with the others;

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7783/ci199841798430103428.th.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/ci199841798430103428.jpg/)

hmmm socio screenshot does not have that weird color brightness issue that youngru posted of the nordic screenshots.

This is getting more confusing now.

Also do we know if the german is region free?

hmmm socio screenshot does not have that weird color brightness issue that youngru posted of the nordic screenshots.

This is getting more confusing now.

The movie looked real good, when I have time I will try to find the scenes and screenshot a couple more pic's to compare to youngru's.

I tried to find the scenes that youngru took screen shots from for more comparisons of but could only spot one and using the software I have to capture I could only get close to the frame.

Here it is;

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9591/ci52747020830103797v.th.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/ci52747020830103797v.jpg/)

Took another one but does not match any previously taken but shows some good detail;

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4651/ci179563142430103806x.th.jpg (http://img840.imageshack.us/i/ci179563142430103806x.jpg/)

Is there english subtitles on the nodic when they speak another language? if i recall in the movie their is some foreign dialog parts, do those come in as english like on the u.s. disc?

Is there english subtitles on the nodic when they speak another language? if i recall in the movie their is some foreign dialog parts, do those come in as english like on the u.s. disc?

Yes

Sorry if I missed it, but i glanced through the thread and didn't see. Is this region free?? The video does look better than the Nordic version.

German version is, unfortunately, NOT region-free. It is region B locked.

Good thing I purchased the oppo blue ray player with region free mod then.

I can verify it is Region B, I had to rip it, make it region free, and reburn it to watch it on my HT. Which is ok I just swap out the single disc case for a two disc case to hold both.

wait, what? I have the Nordic release, and it is region free... I don t even think there PAL on it, atleast the studios intro is NTSC and it loads right to the menu. What player are you using?

wait, what? I have the Nordic release, and it is region free... I don t even think there PAL on it, atleast the studios intro is NTSC and it loads right to the menu. What player are you using?

Mine is region B, look at the cover pic I posted on post #74 at the lower left corner it has the region B icon does yours?

Mine is region B, look at the cover pic I posted on post #74 at the lower left corner it has the region B icon does yours?

Yes, but my players tell me it's region free. ;)

Never go by the case.

Im still not sure which i should go with.

The nordic one looks really good and proper in the latest caps. pictures on page 2 look odd.

Then at least 2 people complained about the audio on the nordic. But then like backlac says im always skeptical of placebo when it comes to audio.

I sold my u.s. release since i am going to purchase a non mpeg version.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7719/pdvd019.th.png (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/pdvd019.png/)

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As you can see, they all look completely different. It totally depends on how the screenshots are taken. I took mine right from PowerDVD7.

Unless 1 person can get all 3 discs or we make sure everyone is using the same method, this wont be accurate. For one, .jpg is compressed. Try to use .png

Youngryu, how did you take your screenshots?

actually, i just tried to get mine closer to teh same frame as the other ones. That picture varies so much from bluish to greenish because of the sand, depending on the time of the screenshot. You can't judge that scene by color unless you can match the exact frames.

Yes, but my players tell me it's region free. ;)

Never go by the case.

Oh Crap!

Both the cover and the disc have the region B on it, but you are right I just tried the original disc and it played fine, shows as region 1.

That means I ripped it and removed the region code, burned it to a blank 50GB BR and re-cased it in a two disc case for nothing! :(

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7719/pdvd019.th.png (http://img178.imageshack.us/i/pdvd019.png/)

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As you can see, they all look completely different. It totally depends on how the screenshots are taken. I took mine right from PowerDVD7.

Unless 1 person can get all 3 discs or we make sure everyone is using the same method, this wont be accurate. For one, .jpg is compressed. Try to use .png

Youngryu, how did you take your screenshots?

MPC-HC has a nice screenshot option.

i also have the us mpeg copy but need to rip it first. ill put it on my to do list.

Did we make a decision if there is a version worth getting if you already have Sony disc?

Oh Crap!

Both the cover and the disc have the region B on it, but you are right I just tried the original disc and it played fine, shows as region 1.

That means I ripped it and removed the region code, burned it to a blank 50GB BR and re-cased it in a two disc case for nothing! :(

Tis' the season for giving...

;)

Tis' the season for giving...

;)

Yeah. Except the German Blu is locked. :)

Did we make a decision if there is a version worth getting if you already have Sony disc?

Yes I dont know, german or nordic?


Im leaning toward the nordic, but i dont know about sound though.

I could get the german and just region unlock it. But i thought the nordic looked slightly better minus the odd color.

I just wish that they would release this film on Blu with the same extras that the SE Dvd versions got. The same goes for Kingdom of Heaven on BD.

I am going to go with the german version. But can anyone tell me before i order if you there is subtitles that pop in for the foreign dialogue?

That should say when the foreign dialogue pops up are the subtitles in english?

Can anyone tell me as I wish to order.