Terminator Salvation [Text View]

GoCaboNow

09-09-09, 07:05 PM

T4, was one of the Summer's best films.
According to what I have read the Director's Cut* has more to offer than boobs; like a golf club filled with Hybrids, and a HYDROBOT!!!

*- It was actually the final version MEANT for release, but people thaught kids would be unable to see an "R" movie.

That's funny. Should have stuck to his guns. At least that way if it only does 120 mil domestic he still put out his best product instead of wussing out. Makes me sick that the proposal and Paul Blart Mall cop did more at the box office than Salvation.

Dan Hitchman

09-09-09, 07:57 PM

I might rent the DC, but gawdamn, it was no better than T3. McG should be fired and the writers, but nooooo... Christian "Shut the F--k Up!" Bale needs to go too. He was also very weak as John Connor (as bad as Nick Stahl). Talk about a one-note performance, and I wish Marcus had lived and John Connor had been the one to die... and it was all McG, the numerous script doctors, and Bale's fault that made me think this, not the character himself.

Halcyon is just a bunch of moneymen and lawyers trying to cash in. That never bodes well for quality films being produced through an outfit like that. No wonder they put no effort into the film.

Even Linda Hamilton was so-so about it too.

Toe

09-09-09, 08:03 PM

This will probably be a blind buy assuming high audio marks.

Dot50Cal

09-09-09, 08:40 PM

Awesome. I really enjoyed the film and the directors cut should make for an interesting watch. I agree that Worthington stole the show. Very excited for this :)

vläd

09-09-09, 09:30 PM

Three disc Blu-Ray?!? I wonder if they will use a two disc case and put the third in a paper sleeve like Universal did with Fast and Furious?

AlexBC

09-09-09, 09:30 PM

Plot was so-so but this will be an AMAZING blu-ray.

On the Sony part, I have no doubt. I hope Warner doesn't pull a 'Watchmen' on this (which is undoubtely one of their best).

General Kenobi

09-09-09, 09:59 PM

eh... I'll get it when it drops down the $14 used or something... was really let down with this one but my expectations were really high too so... wake me when Star Trek and District 9 are out.

Deviation

09-09-09, 10:32 PM

I might rent the DC, but gawdamn, it was no better than T3. McG should be fired and the writers, but nooooo... Christian "Shut the F--k Up!" Bale needs to go too. He was also a very weak as John Connor (as bad as Nick Stahl). Talk about a one-note performance, and I wish Marcus had lived and John Connor had been the one to die... and it was all McG, the numerous script doctors, and Bale's fault that made me think this, not the character himself.Can you really call it a one note performance when they don't give him anything at all to work with?

What I want out of a director's cut is the elimination of the stupid transplant scene at the end.

ssbn733mt

09-09-09, 10:36 PM

I might rent the DC, but gawdamn, it was no better than T3. McG should be fired and the writers, but nooooo... Christian "Shut the F--k Up!" Bale needs to go too. He was also a very weak as John Connor (as bad as Nick Stahl). Talk about a one-note performance, and I wish Marcus had lived and John Connor had been the one to die... and it was all McG, the numerous script doctors, and Bale's fault that made me think this, not the character himself.

Halcyon is just a bunch of moneymen and lawyers trying to cash in. That never bodes well for quality films being produced through an outfit like that. No wonder they put no effort into the film.

Even Linda Hamilton was so-so about it too.

Yeah Bale was pretty bad in this one. I'm a fan of his even though we seem to have Bale overload lately but he just mailed this crap in and it shows in every scene of his.

Gekkou

09-09-09, 11:09 PM

Three disc Blu-Ray?!? I wonder if they will use a two disc case and put the third in a paper sleeve like Universal did with Fast and Furious?

I would expect that they'd use the same type of case they used with Watchmen and The Dark Knight: three discs with two on either side of a hinged plastic "page" or whatever you would like to call it and one on the spindle inside the back cover.

vläd

09-09-09, 11:47 PM

I would expect that they'd use the same type of case they used with Watchmen and The Dark Knight: three discs with two on either side of a hinged plastic "page" or whatever you would like to call it and one on the spindle inside the back cover.

I certainly hope so! I'm getting rather irked by some of the corners that the companies are cutting lately.

Gekkou

09-09-09, 11:57 PM

I certainly hope so! I'm getting rather irked by some of the corners that the companies are cutting lately.

Well, those are all from Warner Brothers so I'd say the chances are good.

emgesp

09-10-09, 12:21 AM

"Warner Home Video has announced that it will release 'Terminator Salvation' on Blu-ray on December 1, day-and-date with the DVD. As we told you in August, both the theatrical, PG-13 cut and the director's R-rated cut will be included (not via seamless branching, but on separate discs). A digital copy of the theatrical version will also be included. "
:cool::cool: Can't wait to watch the R-rated cut!

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3389

How about instead of releasing an inferior movie with a superb transfer they finally remaster T2.

butsu

09-10-09, 12:28 AM

I enjoyed thouroughly of the film even there was no Arnold,the real terminator,in this Salvation.Both C.Bale and Sam Worthingston did one hell of great job,can't wait for BD.

Gekkou

09-10-09, 01:11 AM

How about instead of releasing an inferior movie with a superb transfer they finally remaster T2.

Warner doesn't own that one. Remastering T2 would be a Studio Canal/Lionsgate/Lightstorm venture.

MEC2

09-10-09, 07:55 PM

I enjoyed thouroughly of the film even there was no Arnold,the real terminator,in this Salvation.

Scooby says "Brrruuuh???"

geekyglassesgirl

09-10-09, 08:03 PM

Scooby says "Brrruuuh???"

Hee! :D

Franin

09-10-09, 09:06 PM

I enjoyed thouroughly of the film even there was no Arnold,the real terminator,in this Salvation.Both C.Bale and Sam Worthingston did one hell of great job,can't wait for BD.

A mate of mine told me he was placed in it digitally and it was also mentioned on the empire magazine before it's release.

deltasun

09-10-09, 09:35 PM

A mate of mine told me he was placed in it digitally and it was also mentioned on the empire magazine before it's release.

I thought he looked old, as in the current Arnold

Stevie76

09-10-09, 10:02 PM

They pasted a digital copy of Arnie´s head from the first Terminator movie (same hair style and everything) onto this guy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0452199/

Since Roland has the exact same body as Arnold back in the 80:s it really works :)

So Arnold´s terminator IS in the movie ;)

sb1

09-10-09, 11:19 PM

Since Roland has the exact same body as Arnold back in the 80:s it really works :)
I thought they did a really good job at making a convincing Arnold terminator.

Franin

09-11-09, 01:18 AM

I thought they did a really good job at making a convincing Arnold terminator.

I was told that also that they did a great job. Could you imagine what they could with this technolgy in the next 10 years!

Decado2

09-11-09, 01:35 AM

I'm interested in the "R" rated cut, though I never bothered to go see it in theatres. I suspect the movie wasn't really filmed as an "R" rated Terminator and they just tossed in a bit of blood so they could hype another version of it.

Is Lionsgate publishing this? If so we could be up for a crappy transfer just so they have something else to hang over our heads to buy one of the next 59 versions.

Why is the release date so late? Wasn't this released right at the start of summer? Does that mean films released later on won't be out until next year?

PeterTHX

09-11-09, 01:43 AM

I thought they did a really good job at making a convincing Arnold terminator.

They pasted a digital copy of Arnie´s head from the first Terminator movie (same hair style and everything) onto this guy.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0452199/

Since Roland has the exact same body as Arnold back in the 80:s it really works :)

So Arnold´s terminator IS in the movie ;)

I was told that also that they did a great job. Could you imagine what they could with this technolgy in the next 10 years!

It was a digital scan done of Arnold's head (originally made for The Terminator in 1984 by Stan Winston) in early 2009 by Industrial Light & Magic and "resculpted" to match his mid-80's look for expressions using reference footage of that film and others he made in that era (ILM did the VFX for the film and like their work in Star Trek it's outstanding).

The Dark Shape

09-11-09, 03:03 AM

It was a digital scan done of Arnold in early 2009 by Industrial Light & Magic and "resculpted" to match his 80's T1 look (ILM did the VFX for the film and like their work in Star Trek it's outstanding).

Wrong. It's a scan of a 1984 facial mold made of Arnold on Terminator 1.

butsu

09-11-09, 04:36 AM

Of course there was Arnold at nearly the end of this film in the form of the first part
Someone might want to know How come Corner face'scar came from?

Digital2004

09-11-09, 06:20 AM

The UK skull edition seems not to include the extended cut
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminator-Salvation-Skull-Box-Blu-ray/dp/B002LSI0N8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252663097&sr=8-3
:confused:

lgans316

09-11-09, 08:07 AM

The UK edition is extended cut but no info on whether Sony will include the theatrical cut.

trailergod

09-11-09, 08:51 AM

The UK skull edition seems not to include the extended cut
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminator-Salvation-Skull-Box-Blu-ray/dp/B002LSI0N8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1252663097&sr=8-3
:confused:

the BR is the extended cut..... DVD not, same is true for Europe release...

PeterTHX

09-11-09, 09:26 AM

Wrong. It's a scan of a 1984 facial mold made of Arnold on Terminator 1.

Adjusted post to be more clear. They did scan that head in early 2009, ILM had less than 6 months to make a photo-realistic Arnold for this film.

cobolisdead

09-11-09, 11:35 AM

I'll pick this up just for the fight scene in the factory alone.

Stevie76

09-11-09, 03:55 PM

Did we have a source or a link with the info that the Director´s cut was 20 min longer?

Fanboyz

09-11-09, 03:58 PM

sb1

09-11-09, 04:04 PM

complete with boobage and meat gore.That statement alone is enough to get me interested in a movie.;)

Digital2004

09-11-09, 04:47 PM

the BR is the extended cut..... DVD not, same is true for Europe release...

sure ? (i don't care for the dvd cuts)

Digital2004

09-11-09, 05:03 PM

is there any blu ray edition released in October ? or it's all around mid-third week of November ?

Scott Simonian

09-11-09, 05:09 PM

WRONG!

It was shot as an "R" movie- complete with boobage and meat gore.
Originally all the exposed injuries (terminator parts) on Marcus were gory.
As well as an entire subplot about Skynet's plan.

Hmmm.... Hope it is Moon Bloodgood that shows ...ummm, the goods. ;) :D

More gore is nice as the PG13 cut sure seemed gimped on that. Curious about this "Skynet subplot" too.

Decado2

09-11-09, 05:14 PM

WRONG!

It was shot as an "R" movie- complete with boobage and meat gore.
Originally all the exposed injuries (terminator parts) on Marcus were gory.
As well as an entire subplot about Skynet's plan.
We'll see. I vaguely recall this, but I don't want to get too hyped (nor, with McG's resume, is there reason to be).

Still, I will rent it and decide for myself.

AlexBC

09-11-09, 05:23 PM

I thought they did a really good job at making a convincing Arnold terminator.

To me, it didn't look all that good. The face was really off. Friends who also watched this in theaters shared the same opinion.

I really hope the international version from Sony brings the R-rated cut. This way I can skip the Warner release (unlike what happened with Watchmen).

soul embrace

09-11-09, 05:45 PM

i wonder why amazon.com hasn't put this up for pre order yet, when amazon.co.uk does

DJBeanPole

09-11-09, 10:58 PM

Well no need to see/rent/buy this one. Failure of spoiler tags for the win!

geocab

09-11-09, 11:41 PM

This will be in my collection for sure! Not the best movie of the summer for me, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. An "R" rated cut would be welcome too. I'm an adult, I don't need my movies "tamed"! :D

The gas station scene will be replayed often in my room. :)

Vortex3D

09-12-09, 12:42 AM

they couldn't do seamless branching?

Because 3 discs = more for the money advertising.

What amazes me is when Blu-ray was vs HD DVD, one of the biggest Blu-ray marketing was it has more capacity than HD DVD. Now with only Blu-ray in town, Hollywood doesn't care about Blu-ray disc capacity. Adding more discs create perception that it's more for the money. Some of the best examples are Pirates of Caribbean 2. The 2nd Blu-ray disc is SD which is the same as DVD which is less than 4GB. But Disney still released the 2nd SD contents on a 25GB Blu-ray disc. Alexander The Final Cut is on two 25GB Blu-ray disc. Could have been easily fit onto one 50GB Blu-ray disc.

I found most 2nd disc Blu-ray bonus materials movies could easily fit onto the 1st movie Blu-ray disc but that wouldn't look as good for the movie advertising. "2-disc <movie title> special or ultimate edition".

sharkcohen

09-12-09, 12:43 AM

well no need to see/rent/buy this one. Failure of spoiler tags for the win!

+1

sb1

09-12-09, 02:10 AM

To me, it didn't look all that good. The face was really off. Friends who also watched this in theaters shared the same opinion.

I really hope the international version from Sony brings the R-rated cut. This way I can skip the Warner release (unlike what happened with Watchmen).

I didn't find any real problems with it. I knew what to expect (since I'd already read about it), and it was convincing enough for me. Then again, I wasn't analyzing beyond the possibility of enjoying the movie, either.

Morpheo

09-12-09, 06:47 AM

Well no need to see/rent/buy this one. Failure of spoiler tags for the win!

There's more to see than a cameo in this film.

butsu

09-12-09, 08:32 AM

This BD must be another the reference disc,I guess.

Franin

09-12-09, 08:43 AM

This BD must be another the reference disc,I guess.

I hope so:)

Gekkou

09-12-09, 11:44 PM

The UK edition is extended cut but no info on whether Sony will include the theatrical cut.

I know that there's no way of knowing for sure until Sony makes an announcement but all the info I've seen on the Sony version mentions the Maximum Movie Mode, which Warner only produced for the theatrical cut.

Would I be right in thinking that I wouldn't be able to access the BD-Live content on Sony's international release if I'm in the US?

I just don't have quite as much confidence in Warner as I do in Sony (not that Warner's Watchmen didn't still look excellent, but I'd rather not have minor filtering when given the choice).

butsu

09-13-09, 11:40 PM

I hope so:)Sure mate but very long time for waiting.BTW,what is your avatar below your name,Frank?very scarry.:):D

PeterTHX

09-14-09, 12:35 AM

Sure mate but very long time for waiting.BTW,what is your avatar below your name,Frank?very scarry.:):D

Scarry?

http://hollywoodjesus.com/movie/scary/poster.jpg

Is that the sequel to Scary Movie?

Preemptive strike: it's "lose" not "loose" when describing something that will be or is lost.

ChuckZ

09-14-09, 01:57 PM

I might rent the DC, but gawdamn, it was no better than T3. McG should be fired and the writers, but nooooo... Christian "Shut the F--k Up!" Bale needs to go too. He was also a very weak as John Connor (as bad as Nick Stahl). Talk about a one-note performance, and I wish Marcus had lived and John Connor had been the one to die... and it was all McG, the numerous script doctors, and Bale's fault that made me think this, not the character himself.

Halcyon is just a bunch of moneymen and lawyers trying to cash in. That never bodes well for quality films being produced through an outfit like that. No wonder they put no effort into the film.

Even Linda Hamilton was so-so about it too.
+++ on all accounts.

I was very underwhelmed by T4 and especially Bale's performance. Bryce Dallas Howard had maybe four lines in the whole movie.

Megalith

09-14-09, 02:45 PM

I honestly think it'd be the best movie ever if they dubbed in one of Christian Bale's rants after every line delivered in the movie, including his own.

boxterduke

09-14-09, 02:57 PM

I have not seen the movie but can't wait to buy it on blu and print out the Morpheo cover :)

lgans316

09-28-09, 12:50 AM

Sorry if already posted. Back Cover art is up.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71469/terminator-salvation-r1us-bd-in-december-bd-artwork-added.html
http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/terminator-salvation2.html

Audio: English DTS-HD MA.

Hope WB don't do any discernable filtering like they did with Watchmen for the Video.

Scott Simonian

09-28-09, 12:58 AM

Lolz! First everywhere says TrueHD but now it is DTS-MA. Pfft, wtf?

Ahhh, I see Maximum Movie mode being exactly like it was on Watchmen with DTS-MA to boot with the seamless branching pip commentary. Interesting.... ;)

Franin

09-28-09, 01:19 AM

Franin

09-28-09, 01:51 AM

Scarry?

http://hollywoodjesus.com/movie/scary/poster.jpg

Is that the sequel to Scary Movie?

Preemptive strike: it's "lose" not "loose" when describing something that will be or is lost.

This Forum caters for all people around the world and for some English is not there first language.

I think most do great getting there message across.

sb1

09-28-09, 11:18 AM

I'm looking forward to hearing this one. I like the sound design on it. The machines all sounded really original and pretty cool.

Dave_6

09-28-09, 11:49 AM

I'm looking forward to hearing this one. I like the sound design on it. The machines all sounded really original and pretty cool.

I agree. I'm anxious to watch the gas station scene on my setup.

sharkcohen

09-28-09, 01:00 PM

The director's cut is only 3 more minutes? Crap. I'm now losing faith that this cut will help the film.

sb1

09-28-09, 01:10 PM

The director's cut is only 3 more minutes? Crap. I'm now losing faith that this cut will help the film.
You never know. It may help. It would only take a few seconds to change something at the end to make me like it more.

Decado2

09-28-09, 02:45 PM

The director's cut is only 3 more minutes? Crap. I'm now losing faith that this cut will help the film.
lol. That's a seriously short sub-plot.

Again, though, I really suspect the whole "filmed as an 'R' rated movie" was just PR BS to please the old school fans. It'll likely wind up being as fake as the Live Free and Die Hard r-rated cut.

Morpheo

09-28-09, 03:23 PM

lol. That's a seriously short sub-plot.

Again, though, I really suspect the whole "filmed as an 'R' rated movie" was just PR BS to please the old school fans. It'll likely wind up being as fake as the Live Free and Die Hard r-rated cut.

Can't be worse than those "too shoking for theaters" so-called alternate endings!!:rolleyes: I think we'll get a few more blood shots and that's it. However, I'm still looking forward to watching this again (both cuts!:eek:)

GoCaboNow

09-28-09, 05:35 PM

This and Transformers 2 where my most anticipated movies for the summer. I still have high hopes for this movie on BD.

Dave Mack

09-28-09, 05:54 PM

Well no need to see/rent/buy this one. Failure of spoiler tags for the win!

agreed. This isn't even out yet and many of us haven't seen it. There was no spoiler warning on the thread but after the first page i guess i know the end.

I might rent the DC, but gawdamn, it was no better than T3. McG should be fired and the writers, but nooooo... Christian "Shut the F--k Up!" Bale needs to go too. He was also very weak as John Connor (as bad as Nick Stahl). Talk about a one-note performance, and I wish ****** *** ****** *** ******* *** ***** *** *** ** ***... and it was all McG, the numerous script doctors, and Bale's fault that made me think this, not the character himself...

Dan, you should go back to page 1 and re-edit or spolier tag part of your post. :)

PeterTHX

09-28-09, 08:47 PM

This Forum caters for all people around the world and for some English is not there first language.

I think most do great getting there message across.

Well, I know Australia is an English-speaking nation and their English isn't too different... ;)

It's a common mistake lately for people (in the USA) to add letters to words:

comming
scarry
loose

and etc.

On topic, blaming McG for the script's shortcomings isn't correct. Even Spielberg can't work miracles with a weak script.

Franin

09-28-09, 09:31 PM

Well, I know Australia is an English-speaking nation and their English isn't too different... ;)

It's a common mistake lately for people (in the USA) to add letters to words:

comming
scarry
loose

and etc.

care factor = 0

sb1

09-28-09, 10:31 PM

care factor = 0
Hahaha...

We've got a lot of potentially great sounding movies coming up before the end of the year, that's for sure.

Franin

09-28-09, 10:37 PM

Hahaha...

We've got a lot of potentially great sounding movies coming up before the end of the year, that's for sure.

Trust me sb1 looking forward to this release.:) you quoted me on the English composition.

sb1

09-28-09, 10:48 PM

Trust me sb1 looking forward to this release.:) you quoted me on the English composition.
I'm staying optimistic that Salvation is going to sound awesome. I wasn't a huge fan of the movie itself, but it's certainly passable as entertainment. I saw it in a crappy theater too, so I'm really looking forward to it at home.

PeterTHX

09-29-09, 03:54 AM

care factor = 0

Mine or yours? :p

In any case, I don't think the "R" rated cut isn't going to change anyone's opinion of the film.

Franin

09-29-09, 04:47 AM

Mine or yours? :p

In any case, I don't think the "R" rated cut isn't going to change anyone's opinion of the film.

Both I'm over it :p

btw ive never seen it so I'm looking forward when it comes out on blu

GoCaboNow

09-29-09, 02:19 PM

My hunch is I will enjoy this bd. I am giving it a 9 out of 10 before I even see it.

champer

09-29-09, 06:51 PM

im gonna be pissed if only the dvd release has the R rated cut.

shutup12

09-29-09, 07:03 PM

im gonna be pissed if only the dvd release has the R rated cut.

The BD clearly has "Director's Cut" label on it.

champer

09-29-09, 07:41 PM

The BD clearly has "Director's Cut" label on it. sweet. can u give me a link showing the release date and showing the label. ive checked bestbuy and walmart.com no release dates yet on their site

Franin

09-29-09, 08:16 PM

My hunch is I will enjoy this bd. I am giving it a 9 out of 10 before I even see it.

:D I like that!

Patsfan123

09-29-09, 08:53 PM

sweet. can u give me a link showing the release date and showing the label. ive checked bestbuy and walmart.com no release dates yet on their site

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7773/terminatorsalvationblua.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/terminatorsalvationblua.jpg/)http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/273/terminatorsalvationbluac.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/terminatorsalvationbluac.jpg/)

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Also, I am bit dismayed that the "Director's Cut" only got an extra 3 minutes, while The Hangover's Unrated cut gets 8 extra minutes...

Toe

09-29-09, 10:01 PM

Hahaha...

We've got a lot of potentially great sounding movies coming up before the end of the year, that's for sure.

Definately:) This is always the best time of year for audio.

davcole

09-29-09, 10:19 PM

Wow, thought this was announced with TRUEHD? Suprised to see the DTSMA on the track?

PeterTHX

09-30-09, 02:21 PM

Wow, thought this was announced with TRUEHD? Suprised to see the DTSMA on the track?

It's got that "Maximum Movie Mode" Watchmen used.

Scott Simonian

09-30-09, 02:25 PM

It's got that "Maximum Movie Mode" Watchmen used.

I noticed that right away. I wonder if there is any definitive reason why DTS-MA is prefered over TrueHD in these specific cases (seamless branching). I won't complain though, I am a long time DTS fan.

sb1

09-30-09, 07:43 PM

I am a long time DTS fan.I wonder if DTS had some type of subliminal campaign in the early years to make us all think it was cooler than Dolby Digital. Probably the exclusivity. I remember how bad I used to want to go buy DTS Laserdiscs, but they hardly ever came out compared to the AC3 LD's. I think that was what made DTS what it is today...the fact that it's cooler than DD.;)

Scott Simonian

10-01-09, 02:58 AM

Well, actually...back in the day DTS mixes almost always sounded different from the DD counterpart. The DTS mix was the prefered version to me. It wasn't until the studio got their own DTS encoders to do the work that DTS lost its own sound. Nowadays, they aren't much different save for a few odd balls.

Dan Hitchman

10-01-09, 07:47 PM

sharkcohen

10-01-09, 08:03 PM

Dan Hitchman

10-01-09, 08:20 PM

You do realize that not everyone shares your opinion of this film, or Transformers 2?

I was commenting on those posts that stated the film wasn't that great, but they were getting it anyway for the audio and video (or a brief chance at Moon Bloodgood naked for a split second), or as they say: the demo-factor.

Did McG make 3 extra minutes of Oscar caliber footage making this utter disappointment into some sort of golden phoenix?

sb1

10-01-09, 08:37 PM

inspector

10-01-09, 08:38 PM

Toe

10-01-09, 08:56 PM

you go tell hollywood to make more movies that are actually good, and have stellar audio and video, and i'll adhere to your way of thinking. Until then, i'm going to continue to get the many thousands of dollars worth out of my home theater in whatever manner i wish.

you do realize that not everyone shares your opinion of this film, or transformers 2?

+1000

Toe

10-01-09, 09:02 PM

Franin

10-01-09, 09:14 PM

I have absolutely no interest in watching Wizard of Oz or Snow White again so why the hell would I spend my hard earned money on those?

"Crap" movies can become incredibly entertaining in a good HT from my experience, and besides that not everyone feels this (or whatever film in question) film is "crap". Some people have the ability to enjoy a film from many dif possible angles and some dont.......its all OK, but dont jump on those for buying a film for whatever reason just because you dont like it!

+1 I'm also not interested in snow white doing 7 dwarfs :p I enjoy all types of films It just depends on what mood I'm in. But by saying all this, this is what these forums are about movies that have great aq and pq in movies and it does help make them even more enjoyable it's called the cinema experience. If none of us cared about pq and aq than why did we spend all this money to try and acheive the cinema experience we would stuck with 2 channel plasma/LCD /tv audio.

Toe

10-01-09, 09:21 PM

+1 I'm also not interested in snow white doing 7 dwarfs :p I enjoy all types of films It just depends on what mood I'm in. But by saying all this, this is what these forums are about movies that have great aq and pq in movies and it does help make them even more enjoyable it's called the cinema experience. If none of us cared about pq and aq than why did we spend all this money to try and acheive the cinema experience we would stuck with 2 channel plasma/LCD /tv audio.

Exactly.

lgans316

10-02-09, 12:49 AM

I am willing to spend few $$ on average, dumb flicks like T4 and not on its infinitely dipped top of the cream prequels T1 and T2 which is yet to get a proper release.

Will pick up the UK BD by Sony which features both cuts, DTS-HD MA, AVC instead of probably Warner filtered VC-1, BonusView instead of Maximum Movie Mode and comes in Steelbook.

soul embrace

10-02-09, 03:42 PM

I have absolutely no interest in watching Wizard of Oz or Snow White again so why the hell would I spend my hard earned money on those?

same here.

i'm buying T4 because i really like it and i'm not buying Wizard of Oz or Snow White because i've seen them before and don't care to see them again

leng jai

10-02-09, 08:16 PM

I don't get it. I really don't. Why do people still buy clearly subpar movies just for some possible great audio and video, as some of you have stated right in this thread?

There are lots of movies on Blu that are more entertaining substance-wise than this film or [gag] Transformers 2 with, I'm sure, as good or better AQ/PQ.

I had more empathy for the humans and yes, even the anthropomorphic rodents in PIXAR's Ratatouille than the characters in T4. Why not get that instead if you haven't already? Great audio, eye-popping video... better story.

Spend your money on classics like Wizard Of Oz or Snow White, so we get more of them properly restored on Blu-ray, hmmm?

Why reward crap?

This elitist point of view that comes up in pretty much every single thread is really getting tiresome. People who spend their hard earned money on high end TVs and surround sound systems clearly get a lot of enjoyment out of a quality visual/audio experience. Why does it matter if the subject matter sucks if someone is enjoying the stellar surround sound design or reference video presentation? At the end of the day enjoyment and "having fun" is a very difference thing for many people.

For some people, hearing a compelling surround sound mix alone is worth the asking price of the movie. Just like for other people, a good movie is worth the asking price even if the game has terrible visual fidelity and special effects. This doesn't make one person better than the other, it just means they have different tastes. Also, just because a person bought "X" movie purely for the AV experience doesn't make them a simpleton or less intelligent. It just means they can get enjoyment out of that aspect of the experience. It doesn't mean they don't appreciate a well written script or stellar acting.

There a thousand and one different reasons someone might want to watch a film; the quality of the film itself is just one. Has it ever occurred to you that someone is a huge Christian Bale fan, and they will watch anything with him in it? Maybe someone is into CG rendering... are hey allowed to buy the film without being looked down upon by you? Hmmmm?

sb1

10-03-09, 12:34 AM

For some people, hearing a compelling surround sound mix alone is worth the asking price of the movie.That's where I stand. I'm pissed at Hollywood for not giving us better material, but I take what I can get when it comes to hearing an awesome soundtrack on my home theater.

klac

10-03-09, 05:14 PM

Looks like Amazon pulled the placeholder today. Maybe the pre-order link will be up soon.

soul embrace

10-03-09, 05:22 PM

Looks like Amazon pulled the placeholder today. Maybe the pre-order link will be up soon.

it's stillthere (http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Salvation-Directors-Cut-Blu-ray/dp/B001FB55I0/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1254604835&sr=8-33) but for some reason when you search for terminator salvation blu ray it's on the very last page. the did add the cover are sometime within the last two weeks though.

they need to hurry up and put it up for pre order, it's the last blu ray i need to pre order for this year.

soul embrace

10-13-09, 08:17 AM

it's up for pre order now at amazon and it's going for $19.99, not a bad price at all....

right now at amazon the blu ray is $6.00 cheaper than the dvd verison of it.

terminator: salvation (http://www.amazon.com/Terminator-Salvation-Directors-Cut-Blu-ray/dp/B001FB55I0)

Htdude14

10-13-09, 08:49 AM

don't get it. I really don't. Why do people still buy clearly subpar movies just for some possible great audio and video, as some of you have stated right in this thread?

There are lots of movies on Blu that are more entertaining substance-wise than this film or [gag] Transformers 2 with, I'm sure, as good or better AQ/PQ.

Why do some people waste time telling others their opinions matter more than theirs? Really what is your point? You knew when you clicked on this thread what was being discussed, yet you're compelled to post like some kind of entertaiment messiah:rolleyes: Thanks anyway, can think for myself!:cool:

Toe

10-13-09, 10:33 AM

why do some people waste time telling others their opinions matter more than theirs? Really what is your point? You knew when you clicked on this thread what was being discussed, yet you're compelled to post like some kind of entertaiment messiah:rolleyes: Thanks anyway, can think for myself!:cool:

+1000

gwsat

10-13-09, 10:51 AM

First, I agree what another person's decision to buy a BD is his business and none of my own, even if I didn't like the movie he chose.

I saw Terminator Salvation first run at a theater and rather liked it. It is in my Netflix queue but its release date still shows as being unknown.

Franin

10-13-09, 01:01 PM

Why do some people waste time telling others their opinions matter more than theirs? Really what is your point? You knew when you clicked on this thread what was being discussed, yet you're compelled to post like some kind of entertaiment messiah:rolleyes: Thanks anyway, can think for myself!:cool:

I agree its like there angry with the world. There just sad and angry people that like to make you feel the way they do. I guess they have to move on and understand that people do enjoy movies that they don't.

sb1

10-13-09, 01:49 PM

There's plenty of other movies out there to bash that are far worse than this one. I had an opportunity to see it a second time for free, and actually enjoyed it more than the first. I think it has some really good action scenes that make up for some of it's not so great parts.

And, like I said earlier, I think it has a very cool sound design that I can't wait to hear at home.

stwrt

10-13-09, 02:14 PM

...has some really good action scenes that make up for some of it's not so great parts.

I don't think we'll see that quoted on the sleeve :D

soul embrace

10-13-09, 02:47 PM

saw Terminator Salvation first run at a theater and rather liked it. It is in my Netflix queue but its release date still shows as being unknown.

it's been announced that it's coming out on december 1st

klac

10-13-09, 03:01 PM

I agree its like there angry with the world. There just sad and angry people that like to make you feel the way they do. I guess they have to move and understand that people do enjoy movies that they don't.

Your comment reminded me of a quote from one of my favorite movies.

"A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it."

or thread crap enough :D

dwisniski

10-14-09, 07:55 AM

Your comment reminded me of a quote from one of my favorite movies.

"A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it."

or thread crap enough :D

I'm your huckleberry.....:)

gwsat

10-14-09, 01:56 PM

it's been announced that it's coming out on december 1st
Yeah, I saw that on one of the Blu-ray sites several weeks ago. For some reason though, both NF and BB often fail to show the release date of a new film on their site until some time after its release date has been publicly released.

Brian-HD

10-14-09, 03:42 PM

For this price, I am getting this.

GoCaboNow

10-14-09, 05:31 PM

sb1

10-14-09, 06:45 PM

I missed this when it came out but the folks I know that saw it all thought it very good. I was then surprised to see it tank at the box office. Wouldn't be the first movie I end up liking that did poorly at the box office. This is a blind buy for me.It had a lot to live up to. Expectations were high, and I think it failed to meet them. However, I didn't think it was as bad as many lead on. It's an action movie. Nothing more, nothing less.

soul embrace

10-14-09, 09:31 PM

i loved it and it's my favorite of the series, to me it had a whole lot of action in it and that's what i was expecting and that's what i got. i like the other terminator movies and i don't buy what most people go around saying about T2, that it is the greatest action movie of all time. yes it was good but it's not my favorite action movie of all time, so for me it's not the greatest action movie of all time IMHO..... [flame suit on]

Morpheo

10-14-09, 09:36 PM

yes it was good but it's not my favorite action movie of all time, so for me it's not the greatest action movie of all time IMHO..... [flame suit on]

+1. T2 is a great film, a landmark in visual effects that's for sure. But the greatest action movie of all time, give me a break. There's better action in the Bourne movies. To me, the whole Terminator franchise isn't about 'action'.

soul embrace

10-14-09, 09:58 PM

+1. T2 is a great film, a landmark in visual effects that's for sure. But the greatest action movie of all time, give me a break. There's better action in the Bourne movies. To me, the whole Terminator franchise isn't about 'action'.

nice....someone that agrees with me, i got in to and discussion about T2 and terminator salvation because i said it was my favorite of the series. the guy told me that T2 was the greatest action movie of all time and that my opinion was wrong....

gwsat

10-15-09, 09:48 AM

I think that T1 was a wonderful film and that T2 was even better, one of the best sci-fi films ever made. T3, however, was only mediocre, at best. Thus, when I saw Terminator Salvation in the theater, I went in with suitably low expectations. I was pleasantly surprised. It was rather good, although significantly inferior to either T1 or T2. Still, I look forward to seeing it again on BD. Sam Worthington's performance, as the enigmatic Marcus Wright, was terrific.

sb1

10-15-09, 11:16 AM

GoCaboNow

10-15-09, 11:54 AM

+1. T2 is a great film, a landmark in visual effects that's for sure. But the greatest action movie of all time, give me a break. There's better action in the Bourne movies. To me, the whole Terminator franchise isn't about 'action'.

I don't know what it was about the Bourne movies. Never did it for me. I like them and my wife loves them. They are well done and I should like them more than I do. It might be Matt Damon. He was great in Oceans but just doesn't click for me in Bourne. Funny when you get hung up on something and it minimizes a good movie.

Franin

10-15-09, 12:02 PM

GoCaboNow

10-15-09, 12:54 PM

I think I'm the only person on this forum who didn't go gaga over Terminator 2. Linda Hamilton's transformation from T1 to T2 was too much for me. I would expect a change, but not the butch she became, which is simply my opinion. Other than that, I did like it.

Her look put off quite a few people I know. For me, it made the movie that much more intense or real. (wtf? :) ) Made it real that her character had to live a 24/7 hell of knowing what was going to happen and the psychotic drive that would give to try and prepare for it.

sb1

10-15-09, 01:11 PM

Her look put off quite a few people I know. For me, it made the movie that much more intense or real. (wtf? :) ) Made it real that her character had to live a 24/7 hell of knowing what was going to happen and the psychotic drive that would give to try and prepare for it.The way she looked didn't bother me. The choice of how to portray her did. Intense, yes...but too intense and overblown for me. I'm sure it works well for most other people, I just would have preferred a little less intensity, teeth gritting, evil stares with the head pointing down while she's looking up under her mad eyebrows....things like that. Her performance just looked too overcooked. But, again, that's just my opinion. Nothing more.:)

gwsat

10-15-09, 01:18 PM

Her look put off quite a few people I know. For me, it made the movie that much more intense or real. (wtf? :) ) Made it real that her character had to live a 24/7 hell of knowing what was going to happen and the psychotic drive that would give to try and prepare for it.
That was my take too. In T1, Sarah Connor is running for her life from the evil cyborg and the others in the future. She sees the father of her unborn child killed before her eyes. Further, she learns of the dystopian future that awaits Earth. That background made it easy for me to accept the desperate and seemingly crazy Sarah Connor in T2. By that time she is fixated on trying to save her son, along with everybody else on earth, from the horrors she knows are coming unless she manages to stop them. Is it any wonder then that she seemed a little dykey and more than a little nuts in T2?

klac

10-15-09, 01:51 PM

Sarah Connor from T1 would never have tried to assasinate anybody but it was totally in character for T2 Sarah Connor. That was a major point in the plot.

GoCaboNow

10-15-09, 01:53 PM

The way she looked didn't bother me. The choice of how to portray her did. Intense, yes...but too intense and overblown for me. I'm sure it works well for most other people, I just would have preferred a little less intensity, teeth gritting, evil stares with the head pointing down while she's looking up under her mad eyebrows....things like that. Her performance just looked too overcooked. But, again, that's just my opinion. Nothing more.:)

Oh that part. Her bid for an Oscar. :eek:

oletheos

10-16-09, 12:44 PM

i hate t2 also. between edward furlong and linda hamilton its just bad. I do watch it once in a while cause its terminator and the effects are amazing, robert patrick does an amazing job, but the first movie is tons better.

Digital2004

11-04-09, 05:54 AM

T4 tested in Les Annees Laser (released 11/19 in France)
director's cut is only +3' ??
didn't MCG say +45' ?

lgans316

11-04-09, 11:44 AM

Sony UK BD Review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/playback/blu+ray/exclusive+hands+terminator+salvation+blu+ray+03+10+09

oink

11-04-09, 04:50 PM

^Thanx for the link.
Sounds like a winner.

soul embrace

11-04-09, 05:00 PM

can't wait to watch this again

sb1

11-04-09, 07:17 PM

Sony UK BD Review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/playback/blu+ray/exclusive+hands+terminator+salvation+blu+ray+03+10+09Thanks for the link. Looks promising. Not my favorite Terminator movie, but a decent action flick. Like I said before, I'm really looking forward to hearing this one since it has, IMO, a very well done sound design. Speaking of sounds, I loved that awesome sound of the A-10's in the beginning.

rover2002

11-04-09, 07:45 PM

Seen the BR DC RIP and have to say its a pretty good looking title, better than what i saw at the cinema, the audio though...OH MY GOD! Theres alot of low end and surround use.
For sure i might pick this up now.

sb1

11-04-09, 07:48 PM

the audio though...OH MY GOD! Theres alot of low end and surround use.Nice.:cool:

Gekkou

11-04-09, 09:25 PM

Would it be safe to assume that the UK Sony disc is region-free? They own the rights for most of the territories outside the US, including other Region A countries.

I'd rather give Sony the business, personally, and the only thing that's stopping me from preordering is that I'm not 100% sure on that.

Patsfan123

11-04-09, 09:28 PM

The US disc is down to $16.99 on amazon.. I was going to import, but at that low of a PREORDER I can't pass it up.

sb1

11-04-09, 09:56 PM

The US disc is down to $16.99 on amazon.. I was going to import, but at that low of a PREORDER I can't pass it up.Thanks. Just ordered it.

blackbelt

11-04-09, 09:59 PM

Great sound in the theater. Cant wait to get this one.

soul embrace

11-04-09, 09:59 PM

The US disc is down to $16.99 on amazon.. I was going to import, but at that low of a PREORDER I can't pass it up.

wow what a great price......if this keeps up it may end up below $15 when it comes out.

Toe

11-04-09, 10:01 PM

Thanks. Just ordered it.

I cant pass this up either:)

sb1

11-04-09, 10:01 PM

wow what a great price......if this keeps up it may end up below $15 when it comes out.
Does Amazon actually adjust the price, or do we have to go and check to see if it's gotten lower? I've only ever ordered one movie from there before.

Patsfan123

11-04-09, 10:05 PM

They are supposed to adjust within 24hours of the change.. If you are worried you can send them an email and they will do it right away.

sb1

11-04-09, 10:05 PM

I cant pass this up either:)If the mix on this disc holds true to the theatrical presentation, audio won't be an issue.

sb1

11-04-09, 10:05 PM

They are supposed to adjust within 24hours of the change.. If you are worried you can send them an email and they will do it right away.
Cool. Thanks again!

Toe

11-04-09, 10:09 PM

If the mix on this disc holds true to the theatrical presentation, audio won't be an issue.

cool:cool:

GoCaboNow

11-04-09, 10:13 PM

Nice! I am on this. I would have done this at $30 but I feel a lot better at $16. Can't remember the last time I paid over $25 though. New releases are really coming down in price.:)

sb1

11-04-09, 10:19 PM

New releases are really coming down in price.:)
On the one hand, I can say "that's to be expected", when you look at keeping the new format going at an affordable price. On the other hand, I think about the price of game discs and how much they seem to successfully go up with each new console. Hopefully volume is the determining factor in sales prices.

PDB

11-13-09, 08:43 PM

Just got the disc. Started to watch random spots. The sound is DTS-HD MA. Video is VC-1 (per the usual for Warner). Looks good, I see normal grain, so far no DNR.

Bishop_99

11-13-09, 09:33 PM

Just got the disc. Started to watch random spots. The sound is DTS-HD MA. Video is VC-1 (per the usual for Warner). Looks good, I see normal grain, so far no DNR.Sounds good, I can't wait to have it. When ever you see the Maximum Movie Mode, let us know if it has other deleted scenes. Do the discs have artwork on them or do they just simply have the name of the movie?

AlexBC

11-13-09, 11:06 PM

Just got the disc. Started to watch random spots. The sound is DTS-HD MA. Video is VC-1 (per the usual for Warner). Looks good, I see normal grain, so far no DNR.

I'd really like to see a screenshot comparison between the Warner and Sony version.

I'd be willing to bet on the Sony disc :D

Stanton

11-14-09, 12:00 AM

While I've already committed to buying this one, I'm concerned that they're already setting it up for another (longer) version since 3 minutes of additional footage is NOT what I was hearing a couple of month's ago. If I wasn't so impressed with the audio in the theater, I probably would have waited for the (inevitable) double-dip.

Brian-HD

11-14-09, 04:48 AM

Walmart
Terminator Salvation (3-Disc) (Blu-ray) (Widescreen) (Widescreen)
Release Date: 12/01/2009
List Price: $35.99
Our Price: $15.32
You save: $20.67 (57%)
Availability:

soul embrace

11-14-09, 07:44 AM

is the only difference between walmarts 3 disc and amazon 2 disc version is that walmart's has a digital copy?

does both amazon and walmart's version have the same special features?

Patsfan123

11-14-09, 10:45 AM

The Warner version is 3 discs everywhere. 1 disc for theatrical, 1 disc for directors cut, 1 for digital copy.

soul embrace

11-14-09, 12:39 PM

The Warner version is 3 discs everywhere. 1 disc for theatrical, 1 disc for directors cut, 1 for digital copy.

oh ok, amazon only listed 2 disc in the description

Dave Mack

11-14-09, 12:45 PM

i hate t2 also. between edward furlong and linda hamilton its just bad....but the first movie is tons better.

Linda Hamilton was in the first too... :eek:

mpalmieri1203

11-14-09, 01:45 PM

Loved all the terminator flicks. I wS surprised at how much I liked T4 after all the negative press I read.

gwsat

11-14-09, 02:05 PM

Loved all the terminator flicks. I wS surprised at how much I liked T4 after all the negative press I read.
I had the same reaction to Terminator Salvation. I delayed seeing it because of all the negative reviews, so when I finally did see it in the theater I had rather low expectations. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it. Christian Bale was good, as usual, and Sam Worthington's performance as the enigmatic Marcus Wright was wonderful.

oink

11-14-09, 03:56 PM

Loved all the terminator flicks. I wS surprised at how much I liked T4 after all the negative press I read.

Sequels (or prequels) always have 2 strikes against them, as far as critics are concerned.
I think it is part of the official Critic's Handbook on Cinema.:D

When I get my BD, I'll have a marathon of Terminator films on BD (all 4) over a weekend.

PDB

11-14-09, 06:17 PM

Well I just watched the Director's Cut. There was very little new. What I noticed:

1. In the research facility the troops are attacked after it is commented that it is too quiet. The scene of the robot coming out the water was featured in the trailer.
2. When in the sub, Michael Ironsides' character puts a gun to Bale's head and threatens to change the future.
3. I think some dialog with the A-10 pilots is new.
4. The Moon Bloodgood nude scene.
5. A little more action when Marcus fights Bloodgood's attackers.

Not much there. No alternative ending. Should of used seamless branching. The blu-ray set is:

Disc 1: Theatrical Cut(Interactive Commentary/DTS-HD MA/A few Extras) PG13
Disc 2: Director's Cut (DTS-HD MA/No Extras)
R
Disc 3: Digital Copy

The nudity earned the DC a R rating. The violence is at the same level as the PG13 cut.

The soundtrack is excellent and very aggressive. The video while not bad didn't impresses me like say Star Trek did.

gwsat

11-14-09, 06:26 PM

The soundtrack is excellent and very aggressive. The video while not bad didn't impresses me like say Star Trek did.
Your assessment of the BD comes close to matching what I remember from its theater presentation. The audio was outstanding but the video was nothing extra.

sb1

11-14-09, 08:23 PM

lgans316

11-15-09, 12:14 AM

11-15-09, 05:14 AM

The nudity earned the DC a R rating. The violence is at the same level as the PG13 cut.

Really? There was hardly any nudity at all, only some sideboob from far away in the dark.

raoul_duke

11-15-09, 04:15 PM

geocab

11-15-09, 04:26 PM

No they are not. :D

sb1

11-15-09, 05:40 PM

You see more breasts on page 3 of some UK daily newspapers. You don't even see her breasts properly, an R-rating because of that scene is quite frankly ludicrous. The rating remains a '12' here, regardless of cut.

Embrace the breasts, America, they are not your enemy...I love my country, but in America you can offend someone (and get sued) just by saying "hello" to them in the wrong tone.

Breasts are ok by me.:)

PeterTHX

11-15-09, 05:42 PM

You see more breasts on page 3 of some UK daily newspapers. You don't even see her breasts properly, an R-rating because of that scene is quite frankly ludicrous. The rating remains a '12' here, regardless of cut.

Embrace the breasts, America, they are not your enemy...

I'm sure it's more than a boob, since you can show them in a non-sexual context in a PG-13 film...Titanic anyone?

sb1

11-15-09, 05:45 PM

I'm sure it's more than a boob, since you can show them in a non-sexual context in a PG-13 film...Titanic anyone?I'm still lobbying to get that 10 hours of my life back....or however long that movie was.

Dan Hitchman

11-15-09, 06:14 PM

Well, even if you loved or hated T4 (I was in the latter camp), there may not be any more films for the time being, if ever. Halcyon is on the chopping block due to financial difficulties (i.e., bankrupt). McG and six or more script doctors... for this??!! I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the idiotic choice of McG as director. Serves 'em right.

The Terminator franchise is back up for sale as part of the Chapter 11 settlement.

PLEASE, James Cameron, PLEASE buy the Terminator rights back and stop all these subpar sequels and disappointing TV show spinoffs. I'd rather the Terminator Universe's creator choose the fate of the characters we've all come to love.

You probably can get it dirt cheap. Joss Whedon offered $10,000 for it already as a means to allow Summer Glau to reprise her role as Cameron the Terminator. I'm all for the Glau-bot's return, but if it's in yet another POS sequel then it won't do anybody any good.

PeterTHX

11-15-09, 06:57 PM

Joss Whedon offered $10,000 for it already as a means to allow Summer Glau to reprise her roll as Cameron the Terminator.

What, like rolling in a giant hamster ball? Or dressed up like a dinner roll? As a rock star? :p

My role as joker notwithstanding... :D

My beef isn't with McG, he's a fine action director. The problem was with the script trying to please Mr. Bale, bending over backwards to give him a bigger, more prominent part.

whitestang06

11-16-09, 12:46 AM

I had the same reaction to Terminator Salvation. I delayed seeing it because of all the negative reviews, so when I finally did see it in the theater I had rather low expectations. I was pleasantly surprised at how much I liked it. Christian Bale was good, as usual, and Sam Worthington's performance as the enigmatic Marcus Wright was wonderful.

Same here. Although, I only delayed seeing in the first couple of weeks it was in theaters. Waited until I could watch it in an essentially empty theater. The DC also seems to flow better, despite being only a little longer.

Gekkou

11-16-09, 12:12 PM

http://www.hd-reporter.de/blu-ray-re...osung-blu-ray/

41,47 GB, AVBR->20 Mbps / DTS Master Audio 5.1 (48 kHz/24 Bit) 2660 kbps. Too low for a Sony release. Who knows..For a change, Warner release could offer a better encode as they don't need to feature dozens of dubs / subs.

Also, the Warner release is reported to feature the cuts on separate discs. They can do a much better job with the encodes than Sony unless the content aren't squeezed into 2 BD-25s.

I still lean towards Sony. I think the biggest reason Warner's releases are a little softer than other studios' releases of the same movie is the way they prep their masters prior to encoding, rather than bit budget. Universal and Paramount were quite capable of encoding action flicks with meager video bitrates on HD DVD, only to have them look damn near indistinguishable from the later-released higher-bitrate Blu-rays (see: Transformers and Hot Fuzz).

That being said though, Warner is still competent enough that I'd probably never notice the difference anyway.

butsu

11-17-09, 08:55 PM

GoCaboNow

11-18-09, 12:27 PM

PLEASE, James Cameron, PLEASE buy the Terminator rights back.

He may not have the money if Avatar tanks at the box office and cannot recoup their crazy large budget. Personally, I hope it does great but trailers do not look groundbreaking to me...

sb1

11-18-09, 12:33 PM

Personally, I hope it does great but trailers do not look groundbreaking to me...Me neither, but trailers can make a movie look bad, just like most trailers make them look good. I'll remain hopeful for now.

Now that Star Trek is here and officially listened to, my next disc to be excited about is certainly Salvation. If it doesn't sound like I'm expecting it to, I'll be very upset.:mad:

GoCaboNow

11-18-09, 12:47 PM

Me neither, but trailers can make a movie look bad, just like most trailers make them look good. I'll remain hopeful for now.

Now that Star Trek is here and officially listened to, my next disc to be excited about is certainly Salvation. If it doesn't sound like I'm expecting it to, I'll be very upset.:mad:

Some folks and I were listing our top 20 BD's of the year. My top three were movies I have not even seen on bd yet in Star trek, District 9 and Salvation. So, yeah, I have high expectations for Salvation as well. Probably not a good sign for the year that I am expecting these to be better than the other bd's released this year...

blackbelt

11-18-09, 10:03 PM

I saw this one in the theater really good sound. I will buy this one not a rental for me.

Dan Hitchman

11-18-09, 10:24 PM

What, like rolling in a giant hamster ball? Or dressed up like a dinner roll? As a rock star? :p

My role as joker notwithstanding... :D

My beef isn't with McG, he's a fine action director. The problem was with the script trying to please Mr. Bale, bending over backwards to give him a bigger, more prominent part.

Her "roll" will be a jelly filled doughnut. I actually think McG should go back to music videos. Oh, that's right... does MTV actually show videos any more? I guess that dries up his options. :D

champer

11-20-09, 12:01 AM

any recomendations on where to pick up terminator salvation ? like for example walmart had an exclusive imax version of transformers. just wondering if theres gonna be any exclusive versions that are worth getting at certain retailers.

Stanton

11-20-09, 10:35 AM

You can typically take hints from special editions that are offered OUTSIDE the US on titles already released (there are several this year). For example, there was a version of Star Trek where the discs were stored in the Enterprise, and sure enough, it was offered in the US only at Target. I seem to remember a version of Terminator that was offered with an endoskull, so it's possible someone in the US will offer it as well. The question is who/where and how much? I've already pre-ordered this one with all the ridiculous discounts online, but I'm really glad I got the Target Star Trek version (plus the discounts weren't as heavy for the regular version).

Jacksmyname

11-20-09, 01:05 PM

I seem to remember a version of Terminator that was offered with an endoskull,

That's T2, and still available at Amazon; $105!

jayray

11-20-09, 03:11 PM

Just finished watching this flick. Video is very good but due to the nature of the movie, it has a lot of dark scenes which never make us goo goo about the video. However, the audio is a HT treat. It was cuncusive at the theatre and it is no less at home:D Subsonic effects pound away.Detail is excellent for a smash mouth film. Rain sequences made me check for water on my floor and the fly-overs were very realistic. This is one powerful mix so crank it up and put a smile on your face. This is pure fun.
John

sb1

11-20-09, 03:19 PM

However, the audio is a HT treat. It was cuncusive at the theatre and it is no less at home:D Subsonic effects pound away.Detail is excellent for a smash mouth film. Rain sequences made me check for water on my floor and the fly-overs were very realistic. This is one powerful mix so crank it up and put a smile on your face. This is pure fun.
JohnNice!

adpayne

11-20-09, 04:22 PM

He may not have the money if Avatar tanks at the box office and cannot recoup their crazy large budget. Personally, I hope it does great but trailers do not look groundbreaking to me...

I stopped doubting James Cameron after all the critics claimed Titanic would bomb, before they had actually seen it.

Everyone I know, who have seen the trailer, are very excited about Avatar.

Art

GoCaboNow

11-20-09, 06:52 PM

I stopped doubting James Cameron after all the critics claimed Titanic would bomb, before they had actually seen it.

Everyone I know, who have seen the trailer, are very excited about Avatar.

Art

Right on. We need all the good movies we can get!

oink

11-20-09, 07:04 PM

I stopped doubting James Cameron after all the critics claimed Titanic would bomb, before they had actually seen it.

True, that.

Every JC movie brings out the nay-sayers.
And every time he makes them look foolish.

Gekkou

11-20-09, 07:08 PM

That's T2, and still available at Amazon; $105!

Sony is also putting out an Endoskull for Terminator Salvation in the UK. It looks quite nice, actually, and has slots for the other films.http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-dvd/images/sony/terminator-skull_2._V233793794_.jpg

Amazon UK has it for £54.99.

As for me, I preordered the standard Sony UK edition just to see what it's like (and I don't need a digital copy).

oink

11-20-09, 08:52 PM

Gekkou

11-21-09, 08:29 PM

My copy shipped from the UK today. Looking forward to it!

lgans316

11-22-09, 01:18 AM

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

you’ll see annoying compression problems

My fears have come true. I hope Warner has done a better compression job.

stwrt

11-22-09, 04:04 AM

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

you’ll see annoying compression problems

My fears have come true. I hope Warner has done a better compression job.

Is the UK release on a single Blu-Ray disc ? The US release has the TC and DC on separate discs so there must be more room for the movies to "breathe".

lgans316

11-22-09, 05:40 AM

Is the UK release on a single Blu-Ray disc ? The US release has the TC and DC on separate discs so there must be more room for the movies to "breathe".

Yes. All on a single disc with less than sweet spot AVBR.

trailergod

11-22-09, 06:43 AM

heres the specs of the Sony release... they stuffed all in one dics

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
MPEG-4 AVC Video 19778 kbps 1080p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
MPEG-4 AVC Video 2532 kbps 480p / 23,976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 3.2

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
DTS-HD Master Audio English 2512 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2512 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
* DTS-HD Master Audio German 2219 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 2219 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
* Dolby Digital Audio Hindi 384 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / DN -4dB
* Dolby Digital Audio Tamil 384 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / DN -4dB
* Dolby Digital Audio Telugu 384 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 384 kbps / DN -4dB
DTS Express English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / 16-bit

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
* Presentation Graphics English 13,448 kbps
* Presentation Graphics German 14,514 kbps
Presentation Graphics German 49,760 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Hindi 13,247 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Tamil 1,142 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Telugu 1,113 kbps
* Presentation Graphics Turkish 13,816 kbps
Presentation Graphics Turkish 44,981 kbps

1) 00632.mpls, 2:01:59

- Chapters, 10 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Master Audio, German, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Hindi, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Express, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, Tamil, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Telugu, multi-channel, 48khz

2) 00002.mpls, 1:57:41

- Chapters, 16 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Master Audio, German, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Hindi, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Express, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, Tamil, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Telugu, multi-channel, 48khz

3) 00001.mpls, 1:54:47

- Chapters, 16 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- DTS Master Audio, English, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Master Audio, German, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Hindi, multi-channel, 48khz
- DTS Express, English, stereo, 48khz
- AC3, Tamil, multi-channel, 48khz
- AC3, Telugu, multi-channel, 48khz

Rigby Reardon

11-22-09, 06:50 AM

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

you’ll see annoying compression problems

My fears have come true. I hope Warner has done a better compression job.The screenshots are highly compressed JPEGs. They are worthless for picture quality evaluation, since you don't know whether compression artifacts are from the source or caused by the JPEG compression.

Gekkou

11-22-09, 09:29 AM

Patsfan123

11-22-09, 10:41 AM

Shingster

11-22-09, 11:01 AM

The screenshots are highly compressed JPEGs. They are worthless for picture quality evaluation, since you don't know whether compression artifacts are from the source or caused by the JPEG compression.
I don't use screengrabs that have JPEG compression artefacts in them (at least none that I can spot), what you see in the review is what I get straight from VirtualDub.

Rigby Reardon

11-22-09, 12:08 PM

I don't use screengrabs that have JPEG compression artefacts in them (at least none that I can spot), what you see in the review is what I get straight from VirtualDub.Artifacts can be easily overlooked, also depending on your display, calibration etc. JPEG also reduces high frequency components in the image, reducing the overall detail level. If you want to use screenshots to evaluate a disc's compression quality, you should save them in a lossless format such as PNG.

Patsfan123

11-22-09, 12:28 PM

Blu-ray.com (http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Terminator-Salvation-Blu-ray-Screenshots/5166/) has had the US BD shots up for a few days.. Can compare to these UK shots.

sb1

11-22-09, 12:29 PM

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

you’ll see annoying compression problems

My fears have come true. I hope Warner has done a better compression job.

First, all one can do is hope it looks good at home on their display.

Second, I was really glad to see the audio get some more positive praise.

Third, I'd have to say that reviewer did an excellent job (in my opinion) of summing up the movie itself. I agreed with nearly everything he said.

Patsfan123

11-22-09, 12:33 PM

I don't use screengrabs that have JPEG compression artefacts in them (at least none that I can spot), what you see in the review is what I get straight from VirtualDub.

Also, JPEG compression is variable so its hard to be able to predict how pictures will be affected. Just looking at file size alone, the blu-ray.com shots are 2x as large as yours. This gives their shots the edge from the getgo.

Rigby Reardon

11-22-09, 01:02 PM

Also, JPEG compression is variable so its hard to be able to predict how pictures will be affected. Just looking at file size alone, the blu-ray.com shots are 2x as large as yours. This gives their shots the edge from the getgo.The shots on blu-ray.com are even less usable for this purpose, since they are not only lossily compressed but also downsized.

Gekkou

11-22-09, 01:20 PM

Even though it's "stuffed" on 1 disc... Its seamlessly branched.. The difference between that and 2 encodes is negligible. If the bitrate is too low then its because they didn't give it enough room period.

Exactly. It's not like the whole movie is on there three times, it's just a few extra minutes here and there. I'm hoping we'll get to see some comparisons like what was done on here for Watchmen. It's kind of funny that 20mbps AVBR is deemed too low for an action film when a stunner like Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest ran at like 19. If the same disc was released today people would be saying that it was bit-starved.

Another review here: http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd/terminator-salvation.html

Whichever one turns out better I just want to watch the movie in high-def already! :D

Patsfan123

11-22-09, 01:37 PM

The shots on blu-ray.com are even less usable for this purpose, since they are not only lossily compressed but also downsized.

Register and log in and they will be 1080p..

Rigby Reardon

11-22-09, 01:41 PM

Register and log in and they will be 1080p..Well, if they are still JPEG it doesn't mean much. I'd rather trust in screenshots made by people like Xylon. :)

raoul_duke

11-22-09, 01:50 PM

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

you’ll see annoying compression problems

My fears have come true.
So have mine, pedantry gone wild. There's bugger all wrong with the PQ on the UK release. I didn't even like the film, but the transfer was immaculate.

soul embrace

11-22-09, 02:05 PM

Well, if they are still JPEG it doesn't mean much. I'd rather trust in screenshots made by people like Xylon. :)

here is the disclaimer under the 1080p screenshots at blu-ray.com

Disclaimer: Please note that this screenshot is not an actual movie frame, it is only a screenshot captured at 1080p using some special screenshot equipment.
The screenshot equipment does not take a perfect frame screenshot and the screenshot can also contain more or less capturing artifacts due to hardware limitations of the screenshot equipment.
The screenshot is furthermore compressed using JPEG to improve the loading time. The screenshots should not be used to discuss whether a Blu-ray title features good or bad video quality,
the purpose of the screenshots are for entertainment and to give you a general idea of what a title will look like, it's not representative of the true quality that Blu-ray offers.

Shingster

11-22-09, 03:38 PM

Look fellas, taking screenshots should be a lesson in trial and error - you can't just say "this is JPEG, therefore it must be giving me the wrong picture", you use your eyes and common sense and compress as much as you can while not compromising the quality too much. DVDTimes is not set up to handle multiple 1080p PNG screengrabs with each review - I'd love to offer a whole slew of uncompressed examples to accompany my video reviews, but it's just out of the question. The screenshots are just there to be a standard guide, nothing more. Obviously the same thing as Blu-ray.com, but we can't be arsed to give a disclaimer.

Now, if you want any specific PNG screenshots then let me know and I'll be happy to oblige. I've uploaded a rar containing uncompressed PNGs of the grabs in my review to Rapidshare already, but I can't post URLs yet! :o

EDIT: I think I'm ok now: Uncompressed DVDTimes grabs (http://rapidshare.com/files/310763736/terminator4.rar.html)

Digital2004

11-22-09, 05:05 PM

massive !! amazing sound and picture quite good to very good very faithful to theatrical release)
sound is truely amazing: dynamics, violence, bass (tight and violent, deep)
excellent sound team
poor people who can't experience this on a big (pro) system: you HAVE to hear that on 15-18'' gunners and powerful horns.
(so cheap and so "commanding" system).

mzupeman

11-22-09, 07:24 PM

I think the picture quality was pretty damn good.

Patsfan123

11-22-09, 09:51 PM

Took a look at those PNG's and they look great.. People are too critical these days. I hope that the WB version can match.. but at its current $16 pricetag, I can't really complain.

Rigby Reardon

11-23-09, 04:11 AM

EDIT: I think I'm ok now: Uncompressed DVDTimes grabs (http://rapidshare.com/files/310763736/terminator4.rar.html)Thanks for the effort, much better. :) I can see some posterization, especially in the picture showing Bale with the torch (probably hard to avoid though with the many shades of dark grey in the image). It would be nice if someone could take the same screenshot from the Warner version for comparison.

trailergod

11-23-09, 04:48 AM

The screenshots are highly compressed JPEGs. They are worthless for picture quality evaluation, since you don't know whether compression artifacts are from the source or caused by the JPEG compression.

be a member at that site, they actually have a great community too..

and screenshots are 1080p ...

like this...

http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2161_15_1080p.jpg

http://images.blu-ray.com/reviews/2161_7_1080p.jpg

Rigby Reardon

11-23-09, 04:52 AM

be a member at that site, they actually have a great community too..No thanks. :p
and screenshots are 1080p ...And still lossy JPEGs ...

lgans316

11-23-09, 09:43 AM

Whiggles who is AVS member and reviewer at dvdtimes can post lossless 1080p screencaps in his site. He has done for many and also recently published an artcile on how incorrect captures can result in a big difference in comparison to correct ones.

buddywhite

11-23-09, 09:46 AM

That is some nice looking film right there

trailergod

11-23-09, 09:53 AM

No thanks. :p
And still lossy JPEGs ...

i know they are lossy, and the only way to judge a BR transfer/encode is to see it yourself......

if you want to be really anal about it, BR is lossy anyway and the Sony is released with AVC@20mbps ............

Rigby Reardon

11-23-09, 10:13 AM

i know they are lossy, and the only way to judge a BR transfer/encode is to see it yourself......

if you want to be really anal about it, BR is lossy anyway and the Sony is released with AVC@20mbps ............It has nothing to do with being anal. It's about methodology. The starting point was that someone tried to judge the quality of the video compression used on the BD based on those JPEGs. But you can't do that using an image format that adds another level of lossy compression on top of the video compression you are trying to evaluate. Using still images to judge compressed video quality is problematic anyway, but at least one should try to use a correct methodology.

trailergod

11-23-09, 10:23 AM

It has nothing to do with being anal. It's about methodology. The starting point was that someone tried to judge the quality of the video compression used on the BD based on those JPEGs. But you can't do that using an image format that adds another level of lossy compression on top of the video compression you are trying to evaluate. Using still images to judge compressed video quality is problematic anyway, but at least one should try to use a correct methodology.

ohhh ok, i understood that the compression problem is based on a review of the UK BR made by Sony...... which is very different from the Warner BR.

heres that review http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71853/terminator-salvation.html

i got the Sony BR of Terminator Salvation and honestly the PQ is very good and audio is reference....