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Don't be such a tease. :P

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Thank you. That's exactly the shot I was talking about earlier. You can see the difference. They cleaned up the print, and it looks a hair sharper. It's not giant difference throughout, but some might want to know its there.

so they did some dirt and scratch removal to the same EE infested transfer?

i think i'll stick with my $4 HD DVD

Love this movie. So glad to see a comparison thread for it.

Looking at the second set of images something interesting is occurring, while Bruce looks slightly sharper on the Blu-ray than the HD DVD, the mountain line in the background looks smeared. I agree with Amishfury, and think there is some sort of scratch removal happening.

Love this movie. So glad to see a comparison thread for it.

Looking at the second set of images something interesting is occurring, while Bruce looks slightly sharper on the Blu-ray than the HD DVD, the mountain line in the background looks smeared. I agree with Amishfury, and think there is some sort of scratch removal happening.
Oh, there's absolutely some cleanup that's been done. Just look at all the print damage in the sky shot on the HD-DVD version.

Unfortunately, they all look like crap. :mad:

I guess we have to wish upon MGM HK version, whenever it gets released.

Oh, there's absolutely some cleanup that's been done. Just look at all the print damage in the sky shot on the HD-DVD version.

I've always known that was there. Who could miss it? I was trying to point out other indicators that it was cleanup as opposed to a new transfer. A new transfer from the master should be missing the dirt and scratches, but a new transfer should not result in the background having a smoother look.

looks pretty bad, about in line with my expectations...

so they did some dirt and scratch removal to the same EE infested transfer?

i think i'll stick with my $4 HD DVD

Where are you seeing EE in these BD shots? Some of these screen caps look better than they did when I saw it in the theater.

Look around the edges of Ash's hair. There is definitely edge enhancement there. In fact, to my eyes, it looks more artificially sharp than the HD-DVD.

Universal up to their old tricks with DNR and automated dirt/scratch reduction. And seemingly additional EE.

Is that part of one of Bruce Campbell's hairs painted out or a scratch?

Complain about print artifacts and this is what they give you...

Is that part of one of Bruce Campbell's hairs painted out or a scratch?

I noticed this too. I think it's definitely his hair, that's been painted out. Seems like they used the same "great" tool here, they used on Gladiator...:(

EDIT: I just checked my DVD - it IS a hair.

Here's the MGM 96 Minute Director's Cut DVD (Region 3, Hong Kong, 16x9, progressive):

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Anchor Bay's 81 Minute Theratrical THX DVD (16x9, progressive):

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Anchor Bay's 96 Minute Director's Cut (16x9, progressive...barely)

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Anchor Bay Director's Cut Footage:

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MGM Director's Cut Footage:

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Man, when I saw the Blu in action and noticed that the EE seemed a bit more aggressive than on the HD DVD, I thought I was just imagining it. Good to see that I wasn't.

Typical Universal HD-DVD port. Scratch removal and added EE.

Universal up to their old tricks with DNR and automated dirt/scratch reduction. And seemingly additional EE.

Typical Universal HD-DVD port. Scratch removal and added EE.

Seems like they used the same "great" tool here, they used on Gladiator...:(

LOL :D

It's so sad, that's actually funny.


Complain about print artifacts and this is what they give you...

Too bad most people can't realize that.

Some slight (or even moderate) print artifacts don't bother me at all, unlike the slightest sign of DNR and EE.

I don't know if I'd say there was additional EE, judging from those screenshots, at least. The increased sharpness could be from a better encode. Wasn't the HD DVD on a 15 GB single layer combo disc?

If it was just a sharper encode the halos wouldn't be bigger.

I don't see bigger halos. They look the exact same width to me.

same... i think the additional sharpness is all in the new encode

Awesome, I'm going to pick up the HD DVD for $4. Thanks, Xylon :D

I actually like the Blu-ray a little better due to the clean up.

I don't see a 'sharper' image. I see something that has slightly more intense EE.

Universal don't have a ****ing clue, do they?

I see a sharper image. That 'EE' ringing that's seen more heavily in the BD is there in the HD-DVD as well, it's just not as noticeable. The 'sharper' image brings it out more.

All things considered, I doubt very much that this film could look too much better in HD.

It was made on a relatively small budget, much of which was used up on a fairly extensive array of sfx shots, and these were often built up on multiple layers, which only further softens any film's image.

I have various SD DVD incarnations as well as the HD DVD, and will probably stick with that.

Steve W

All things considered, I doubt very much that this film could look too much better in HD.

No EE would have been better.

No EE would have been better.

Exactly.

I agree, no EE is best, but we've seen far, far worse than this.

Army of Darkness is a little cult film, and it's not going to see the level of restoration we've seen with Casablanca, and it's not going to be transfered by the most sensitive film-savvy boffin.

It's not the absolute best it could possibly look, but it could many many times worse.

Steve W

No EE would have been better.

I had to re read this a few times before I realized there was not a comma after 'no' :D

All things considered, I doubt very much that this film could look too much better in HD.

I doubt very much that it couldn't.

I don't understand why this king of reasoning keeps coming up. We've seen dozens of low budget or old titles looking great after getting new transfers.

Assault On Precinct 13, Bird With The Crystal Plumage, The Final Countdown, Starman, Dead & Burred, Fire And Ice, Two Evil Eyes, The Day The Earth Stood Still, Young Frankenstein, St. Elmo's Fire, About Last Night are just a few that quickly comes to mind.

Softness inherent to the film stock has a comple different look and feel from the digital tinkering tools like DNR or EE.

I doubt very much that it couldn't.

I don't understand why this king of reasoning keeps coming up. We've seen dozens of low budget or old titles looking great after getting new transfers.

Assault On Precinct 13, Bird With The Crystal Plumage, The Final Countdown, Starman, Dead & Burred, Fire And Ice, Two Evil Eyes, The Day The Earth Stood Still, Young Frankenstein, St. Elmo's Fire, About Last Night are just a few that quickly comes to mind.

Softness inherent to the film stock has a comple different look and feel from the digital tinkering tools like DNR or EE.

There are all sorts of reasons that one film may look different to another.

My first experience of Army of Darkness was at the NFT in London during the London Film Festival of '92 - this was, if I remember rightly, before the film was officially released in either the UK or the US, so it was a pristine print at a pristine cinema.

I'm not one for matching the PQ of films from memory, but I specifically recall the film looking a little soft. The reason that I remember wondering at the time if this was deliberate, in an attempt to replicate the look of the first two in the trilogy.

Steve W

glad I kept my HD-DVD...thanks Xylon! That shot (post #6) where the camera is looking up just when they are going to dump Bruce Campbell into the pit is the best example on how they artificially sharpened and added tons of EE to the Blu-ray!

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Craptacular. It's like they took the EE from the dvd and inserted it into the BD shot.

Seriously, who are these guys working on the pre-encode "cleanup"?

That shot makes me wonder if it's their first day playing around with the unsharp mask filter.

I doubt very much that it couldn't.

I don't understand why this king of reasoning keeps coming up. We've seen dozens of low budget or old titles looking great after getting new transfers.

Assault On Precinct 13, Bird With The Crystal Plumage, The Final Countdown, Starman, Dead & Burred, Fire And Ice, Two Evil Eyes, The Day The Earth Stood Still, Young Frankenstein, St. Elmo's Fire, About Last Night are just a few that quickly comes to mind.
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Actually, I didn't think there was much improvement between the DVD and the BD on TWO EVIL EYES and DEAD & BURIED

Joel,

if you were expecting sharpness or dimensionality, than it's indeed true. But HD is not just about those, but most importantly texture.

When we're talking about fidelity, the DVDs don't even come close to the BDs, they are on a whole different league.

The very grainy nature of these movies are, at best, turned to digital noise and compression mess on the DVDs.

All things considered, I doubt very much that this film could look too much better in HD.

It was made on a relatively small budget, much of which was used up on a fairly extensive array of sfx shots, and these were often built up on multiple layers, which only further softens any film's image.

I have various SD DVD incarnations as well as the HD DVD, and will probably stick with that.

Steve W

I hear a lot of people say that about this movie, and all of them have only been exposed to the Anchor Bay DVDs. Seriously, if you had ever seen the MGM Director's Cut you would have a different opinion. This movie can absolutely look better than this, they just have to ask MGM for their source.

Actually, I didn't think there was much improvement between the DVD and the BD on TWO EVIL EYES and DEAD & BURIEDI didn't compare the DVD/BD of Dead and Buried, but I was startled by just how much better the high-def release of Two Evil Eyes was. BU's DVDs seem to be frequently subjected to excessive noise reduction and edge enhancement, but their Blu-ray discs are pretty much flawless.

Really, look at these comparisons: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/4317

I hear a lot of people say that about this movie, and all of them have only been exposed to the Anchor Bay DVDs. Seriously, if you had ever seen the MGM Director's Cut you would have a different opinion. This movie can absolutely look better than this, they just have to ask MGM for their source.
Here's some more shots from the MGM DVD, it's really still the only way to see the film.

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Holy crap, those MGM caps look great. I realize its DVD resolution, but they look like they would upconvert very well.

OK, where can I find this MGM director's cut DVD?

Holy crap, those MGM caps look great. I realize its DVD resolution, but they look like they would upconvert very well.

OK, where can I find this MGM director's cut DVD?

"In Hong Kong, you'd be dead already"

LOL, I beleive that's a quote from Lethal Weapon 4, but I think it answers your question :p :D

Too bad it's been out of print for a number of years, just like the excelent MGM DVD for Year Of The Dragon.

I didn't compare the DVD/BD of Dead and Buried, but I was startled by just how much better the high-def release of Two Evil Eyes was. BU's DVDs seem to be frequently subjected to excessive noise reduction and edge enhancement, but their Blu-ray discs are pretty much flawless.

Really, look at these comparisons: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/4317

Thank you for that link Adam, it shows how great the BD looks and how terrible the DVD actually is.

On the other hand, too bad they zoomed it in for the 1.78:1 AR. I hadn't realized that before.

Like any other film, Army of Darkness has the potential to look great on BD, not this crap Universal provided.

"In Hong Kong, you'd be dead already"

LOL, I beleive that's a quote from Lethal Weapon 4, but I think it answers your question :p :D

Too bad it's been out of print for a number of years, just like the excelent MGM DVD for Year Of The Dragon.

Damn.

Ok, I guess this is your lucky day. :D

I hadn't checked this in a while, but it's back in stock!

http://www.yesasia.com/global/army-of-darkness/1002492075-0-0-0-en/info.html

Their BD version can't come soon enough. If it looks anything like the caps just posted for Manhuter, it should be awesome.

Pretty sad when the dvd looks more pleasing than the BD. Just like what happened with Evil Dead II.

Initially I thought this disc looked good, but those screen caps from pit look horrible. Still better than the DVD as far as detail, but what good is that when your eyes are bleeding looking at it.

Ok, I guess this is your lucky day. :D

I hadn't checked this in a while, but it's back in stock!

http://www.yesasia.com/global/army-of-darkness/1002492075-0-0-0-en/info.html

Their BD version can't come soon enough. If it looks anything like the caps just posted for Manhuter, it should be awesome.

Thanks Alex, I ordered it, hahahaha :D

Those MGM DVD shots kinda look like the blu-ray downscaled with less EE..

Those MGM DVD shots kinda look like the blu-ray downscaled with less EE..
Not to mention the 15 extra minutes it features over the BD. ;)

I didn't compare the DVD/BD of Dead and Buried, but I was startled by just how much better the high-def release of Two Evil Eyes was. BU's DVDs seem to be frequently subjected to excessive noise reduction and edge enhancement, but their Blu-ray discs are pretty much flawless.

Really, look at these comparisons: http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/4317

My DVD copy doesn't have the same appearance as the DVD shots...but then, I have them upscaled via my HD-DVD player (arguably the best upconverting players out there) so perhaps that why I don't see as drastic a difference. I may just hang on to the DVDs of these two, but will definitely be going for the BD of NEAR DARK!

Near Dark is 100x worse than this

My DVD copy doesn't have the same appearance as the DVD shots...but then, I have them upscaled via my HD-DVD player (arguably the best upconverting players out there) so perhaps that why I don't see as drastic a difference.

I don't know, but maybe there's something else going on there that's downgrading the BD playback. Even the best upscale in the world won't touch a well authored Blu-ray (a fact that can be clearly verified with those caps).

MPEG-2 on SD simply can't come close to what's presented on the BD.

Near Dark is 100x worse than this
Agreed.

I love this film, I saw it at a very good theatre in London before it's release at a press screening with a brand new print that had not done the rounds yet and to be honest it looked like crap then too.
I cant imagine this ever looking pristeen and if it did it would probably only hurt the film as the already cheap effects would look even crapier than they do on a grubby print.
Low budget should look low budget, I think it adds to the charm.:D

Low budget should look low budget, I think it adds to the charm.:D
You bring up a very good point! These transfers need to have the directors involved so that artistic intent is preserved. Removing grain and cleaning up transfers only takes away from the low budget feel of this movie.
The director of An American Werewolf in London was just talking about this issue, where the people at the authoring studios want to DNR everything and make it look clean and bright...he had to tell them to put back the grain and that his film isn't supposed to look bright and clean...it's gotta look dark and grainy!

At first, I thought the BD looks better but in post #5, look at the child above Ash. In the BD, it looks like they just sharpened the HD DVD. If it wasn't for the macroblocking in the cable recording, I'd say there'd have been almost no improvement.

The MGM DVD pics look far better than the AB DVD pics.

Not to mention the 15 extra minutes it features over the BD. ;)

you mean worthless 15 minutes and edits ;)

The HDDVD has an extra line from the TV cut at the beginning of the S-Mart ending.
"So, I left her there..."
Not on the Uni BD, or Anchor Bay dvd.

Screenshots from the UK Optimum BD (region B locked) matched to Xylon's shots:

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Doesn't have the DNR and sharpening like the US BD, but the video encoding isn't quite as good as the US HD DVD. Has 16-bit DTS-MA though.

They need to just start over on this one. All the releases look like crap.

Out of all the versions that looks the least bad.

Looks like the HD DVD but just a little darker with less shadow detail. Thanks for posting this.

I agree with the above sentiments. This movie desperately needs a remaster.

Actually, I didn't think there was much improvement between the DVD and the BD on TWO EVIL EYES and DEAD & BURIED

Really? They both look tremendously better to my eyes, especially TWO EVIL EYES. DEAD & BURRIED has a lot more built-in grain and was photographed with a lot of filtration over the lens so while it doesn't "pop" like the "best" Blu-rays, it still looks a heck of a lot more natural and film-like on Blu-ray compared to the standard-def DVD.

Vincent

Really? They both lot tremendously better to my eyes, especially TWO EVIL EYES. Agreed. I was impressed with the Blu-ray disc of Two Evil Eyes and decided to compare it to the DVD afterwards, and I didn't think it was even close. Beyond the grain structure and massive leap in detail, the Blu-ray disc is so much more vibrant and alive than the dull, dingy DVD.

Agreed Adam. I think Blue Underground overall has been putting out tremendous Blu-rays in terms or preserving the true "film look" of the movies they are releasing. Their only "hiccup" was not offering the original sound mixes as a viewing option in their first few releases, which they have since rectified.

Vincent

The HDDVD's DD+ track has an extra line of dialog at the S-Mart finale.

Really? They both look tremendously better to my eyes, especially TWO EVIL EYES. DEAD & BURRIED has a lot more built-in grain and was photographed with a lot of filtration over the lens so while it doesn't "pop" like the "best" Blu-rays, it still looks a heck of a lot more natural and film-like on Blu-ray compared to the standard-def DVD.

Vincent

+1

The difference on TWO EVIL EYES is quite drastic!

Agreed Adam. I think Blue Underground overall has been putting out tremendous Blu-rays in terms or preserving the true "film look" of the movies they are releasing. Their only "hiccup" was not offering the original sound mixes as a viewing option in their first few releases, which they have since rectified.

Vincent

I do have a gripe with their release of NEW YORK RIPPER in that some scenes are probably brighter than they are supposed to, which in the climax results in viewing Peter's mouth moving with no words being heard. That is the only part that bothers me.

To all those who think this film can't look great on Blu Ray, I saw it two weeks ago on 35mm film at a local theater, and it looked absolutely spedtacular! One of the best showings of film I can rememebr seeing. As I said in another thread, if all blu rays looked as good as this, I'd be in heaven. Clean, crisp, beautiful colors, it was just awesome. I'm trying to find an HDDVD copy to watch at home.

I've been done with re-buying the weak 81 minute theatrical version for years now. I don't how good the theatrical cut could look, the director's cut is infinitely superior regardless of picture quality.