Nighthog
09-16-09, 08:30 AM
I don't really know if this should go here but I feel it should as it's into the calibration but I have no tools to use but my eye to calibrate using some images. (using a image lcd calibration pack called "Lagom-lcd-test" and something called "reference calibrator 1280x720" made by Mark Sydow for brightness and contrast(Mark's images were better/easier to work whit than the comparing ones in the lagom pack)
I have a LG L245WP-BN LCD 24" 1920x1200 HDMI computer monitor that can do 60hz, 50hz, 25i and 30i at 1920x1080p 1:1 whit black bars to the native 1920x1200. 1920x1200 only works in 60hz.
I use this screen as my main movie watching screen. There are 2 modes that the screen can be in, one being the PC mode and the other the Video mode.
I have tried to "eyeball calibrate" it as good as I can using the standard settings in the monitor menu in PC mode. They being Contrast, Brightness, Red, Green and Blue and then also using CCC(ATi catalyst control center) Color settings to adjust contrast and Brightness on there as well for little extra more tweak.
The Brightness setting only adjusts the back-lighting in PC mode on the monitor controls. It works a little different in Video mode I've seen. But the controls are different overall there anyway.
I use the 1920x1080 50hz when watching stuff, 24p stuff included(using Reclock to speed-up to 25hz)
Though I found and saw a issue whit the black level in PC mode 1920x1080 50hz, 0 black isn't as black as the black bars at the top off the screen and bottom. CCC settings won't give me as black no matter where I slide contrast or brightness messing everything up included as the black bars where nothing is actually displayed.
When in 60hz 1920x1080 I can get the 0 black to have as black as the black bar whit ease. The 1920x1200 60hz looks to be the same result as whit 1920x1080 60hz but can't be sure as I can't get a area whit "nothing" displayed on when screen is fully used in native resolution.
Well I can actually get the empty PiP(Picture in Picture) screen into the screen but that thing is even "more black than the black I have black at in 1080p 60hz and 1200p 60hz"
What is the problem really? I'm mainly right now concerned whit the 1080p 50hz setting not giving me that same black as the black bars, it's something I more easily spot.
I reckon it's something to do whit colour profiles maybe? CCC using 2 sligthly diffrent ones or such for the 60hz and 50hz? But switching between the 2 whit exact same CCC and monitor settings I only notice the diffrence at the black side where 50hz isn't as black or dark, it looks the same otherwise(it doesn't deviate all that much and can only really be spotted whit the black)
I've read that AMD/ATi usually mess whit the black levels constantly in their drivers, this something I should take up whit them instead? For them to correct in the drivers?
And a question about the "blackest black" I seem to get when turning up the PiP picture into the screen in that window, can I get as good black like that without any calibration tool? Or is is a full requirement if I want to mess whit the eventual color profile my computer uses to "tweak it" to match the PiP picture whit no input into it.
I found some more setting sin CCC. Hue and Saturation, should I tweak these also? But I seem not to have any good "picture" to test it whit but maybe just set them to preference how correct or incorrect that might put that into.
And then final question about the Brightness and Contrast settings in CCC. Should I leave them be as much as I can and do as much as I can in the monitor settings first. Currently I kinda "tried diffrent" contrasts in the monitor setting and then also tweaked it in CCC switching around both after each other. I seeminly got "better" contrast ratio from black to white than just doing it in the monitor and minimally/not touching it in CCC but I get the feeling it isn't correct. the White falls really fast into white in the 253-255 range.
Kinda can describe it like white-gray walks along straight but just a little downward and then suddenly falls off a cliff edge at 252 to start accelerate into the white abyss off 255.
I have a LG L245WP-BN LCD 24" 1920x1200 HDMI computer monitor that can do 60hz, 50hz, 25i and 30i at 1920x1080p 1:1 whit black bars to the native 1920x1200. 1920x1200 only works in 60hz.
I use this screen as my main movie watching screen. There are 2 modes that the screen can be in, one being the PC mode and the other the Video mode.
I have tried to "eyeball calibrate" it as good as I can using the standard settings in the monitor menu in PC mode. They being Contrast, Brightness, Red, Green and Blue and then also using CCC(ATi catalyst control center) Color settings to adjust contrast and Brightness on there as well for little extra more tweak.
The Brightness setting only adjusts the back-lighting in PC mode on the monitor controls. It works a little different in Video mode I've seen. But the controls are different overall there anyway.
I use the 1920x1080 50hz when watching stuff, 24p stuff included(using Reclock to speed-up to 25hz)
Though I found and saw a issue whit the black level in PC mode 1920x1080 50hz, 0 black isn't as black as the black bars at the top off the screen and bottom. CCC settings won't give me as black no matter where I slide contrast or brightness messing everything up included as the black bars where nothing is actually displayed.
When in 60hz 1920x1080 I can get the 0 black to have as black as the black bar whit ease. The 1920x1200 60hz looks to be the same result as whit 1920x1080 60hz but can't be sure as I can't get a area whit "nothing" displayed on when screen is fully used in native resolution.
Well I can actually get the empty PiP(Picture in Picture) screen into the screen but that thing is even "more black than the black I have black at in 1080p 60hz and 1200p 60hz"
What is the problem really? I'm mainly right now concerned whit the 1080p 50hz setting not giving me that same black as the black bars, it's something I more easily spot.
I reckon it's something to do whit colour profiles maybe? CCC using 2 sligthly diffrent ones or such for the 60hz and 50hz? But switching between the 2 whit exact same CCC and monitor settings I only notice the diffrence at the black side where 50hz isn't as black or dark, it looks the same otherwise(it doesn't deviate all that much and can only really be spotted whit the black)
I've read that AMD/ATi usually mess whit the black levels constantly in their drivers, this something I should take up whit them instead? For them to correct in the drivers?
And a question about the "blackest black" I seem to get when turning up the PiP picture into the screen in that window, can I get as good black like that without any calibration tool? Or is is a full requirement if I want to mess whit the eventual color profile my computer uses to "tweak it" to match the PiP picture whit no input into it.
I found some more setting sin CCC. Hue and Saturation, should I tweak these also? But I seem not to have any good "picture" to test it whit but maybe just set them to preference how correct or incorrect that might put that into.
And then final question about the Brightness and Contrast settings in CCC. Should I leave them be as much as I can and do as much as I can in the monitor settings first. Currently I kinda "tried diffrent" contrasts in the monitor setting and then also tweaked it in CCC switching around both after each other. I seeminly got "better" contrast ratio from black to white than just doing it in the monitor and minimally/not touching it in CCC but I get the feeling it isn't correct. the White falls really fast into white in the 253-255 range.
Kinda can describe it like white-gray walks along straight but just a little downward and then suddenly falls off a cliff edge at 252 to start accelerate into the white abyss off 255.