No one watched this, either?

It was great to see Julianna Margulies back on TV, and Chris Noth is always good, too.

But the legal drama was a little forced, and it's just a matter of time before we find her in bed with either her similar age co-worker or the young guy competing for the open slot at the firm.

Not bad, but I can see CBS pulling the plug by December.

My wife and I enjoyed it.

Beyond that, I think you're probably mistaken about its future.

The pilot is being replayed Saturday night at 10/9.

I liked it. Julianna Margulies makes the show (rest of the principal cast is great too), and it looks like it might not just be the same old murder mystery of the week formula. I think it fits in well with CBS's programming, and theres very little other good drama programming on Tuesday. I think it'll make it.

I enjoyed it much more than I originally thought I would. The previews looked good but for the first show out of the chute it scored. Next week is the tell. Let's see if it can keep up with itself.

I have to admit I was very pleasantly surprised by this one - I actually liked it. I have had my doubts as to Julianna's ability to carry an entire show on her own, but thought it was well done overall. Much much better than her last effort - Canterbury's Law.

My wife and I were pleasantly surprised by it too! Hope it works although now I've added it to the DVR so that will be the death knell. :)

Actually I too thought it was pretty good. Have to see where it goes, but the opener was fine.

I make the comment about CBS pulling it because I felt the same way about Shark, which CBS generously allowed to stay around for just two seasons before pulling the plug.

For anybody that missed it make the effort to watch it. I really enjoyed it, I hope this show sticks around.

I liked it. Julianna Margulies makes the show (rest of the principal cast is great too), and it looks like it might not just be the same old murder mystery of the week formula. I think it fits in well with CBS's programming, and theres very little other good drama programming on Tuesday. I think it'll make it.
Along with all you've said it also has some good writing. Is she just a pawn in her husbands game?

I watched the replay last night having missed the original and was pleasantly surprised.
Don't know how this show will hold up but this was better than some of the other premieres I have watched.

I have to say, I watched it only because my wife wanted to and I was very pleasantly surprised. It is not some woman scorned gets revenge show per se. It looks like a legal drama with that just as a setup to how she got there. With Noth as a guest star, I assume they will visit that angle some, but so far, I liked it all.

The only issue I had with the first show is the mention of Italian Greyhound hair. I may be wrong, but I am fairly sure that no one races IGs as they are small, frail dogs, unlike actual greyhounds, which is an entirely different breed and are clearly what they were talking about. But hey, I can suspend dsibeleif in a sci fi show, so I will do it on this. ;)

Looks like this week's episode is, unfortunately, stock law/crime show script #417. :(

Stripper is raped at home of prominent local businessman.

I'm actually liking this show. Tonights episode has been done before, but what hasn't, however they tossed in a few twists. Interested to see where it goes, if hubby was really set up, if he is pulling the strings, or what.

Just watched the pilot this morning. Pretty good and Julianna Margulies throws it over the top:)

Will post with more thoughts when I finish the next 3 episodes....

Having not liked her last show I was not hopeful for this one. Then after watching the pilot I was drawn in and now after seeing the following episodes have earned the show a must see.

I really like the show. My biggest issue is the lead lawyer (if in fact he is) doesn't come across as an experienced wirily veteran. Which is a very minor complaint!

Not much discussion here on this show, but it's one of my fav's. They are taking a slightly different tack than I would have though and I'm enjoying that.

I enjoyed the second episode last night. Looking forward to the rest tonight:)

Excellent start,love the girl assistant she has spunk.

"And I hate Spunk."


Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think this show is my biggest surprise of this season. I wasn't expecting much after the gloomy Canterbury's Tales, but so far I'm really enjoying this.

I think it's because it reminds me of Life. A show where the main character is trying to fit back in, after a public drama that destroyed their previous life. Plus it has the slight mystery/conpsiracy arc ripple that kept Life from being simply another procedural. At the same time it gives the character something to grow along with.

only thing is... she seems to win EVERY trial so far...

she cant go undefeated for the whole season... can she?

only thing is... she seems to win EVERY trial so far...

she cant go undefeated for the whole season... can she?

Maybe she is going to take a run at Denny Crane's winning streak.

only thing is... she seems to win EVERY trial so far...

she cant go undefeated for the whole season... can she?


What about the outcome of the rape case?

Maybe she is going to take a run at Denny Crane's winning streak.

Haha. I would expect that she will loose one soon...

Maybe she is going to take a run at Denny Crane's winning streak.

What about the outcome of the rape case?

She did not win it, but the DA/SA was going to go after the rapist for the crime in the end.

I think this show is improving over what was already a good show. I like the way they seem to be avoiding the usual cliches and easy tearjerking moments such as not showing the end family reunion or even the expression on Wilcox's face this week.

David Paymer is another great addition to the long line of quirky and entertaining TV judges. I hope they bring him back more often.

FYI, the show has been picked up for a full season run.

FYI, the show has been picked up for a full season run.

Great, I've got it setup for a Season Pass and so far haven't been disappointed:)

the last 2 episodes had very poor picture quality.A soft focus in my opinion.All the past shows were sharp,clear, nice HD.

The latest episode I was very confused with at the beginning. I couldn't picture where I had seen the FBI agent before and when I did remember I thought the show was doing a cross over with White Collar, as Sharif Atkins also plays an FBI agent on that show.

Alas not, he's a different character on White Collar.

This show started out good and has been getting better and better. Loved last night's episode.

My wife got me to watch and I love it and think it is one of my favorites right now. I haven't watched last nights yet but will tonight

I'm sure if my wife has anything to say about it we'll also be watching it tonight;)
Actually I like it too, I just wish Julianna would smile more. I saw her on a talk show where she looked very nice, and I was pleasantly surprised to see her smiling:)

Great episode this week and agree a little more of a smile would be great

The only thing that threw me a little was the Will-Alicia kiss. She's been there for months, and now that her husband is home she gets tempted?

Besides that, this is a very good show.

The only thing that threw me a little was the Will-Alicia kiss. She's been there for months, and now that her husband is home she gets tempted?

Besides that, this is a very good show.

Sounds like they had something going on when they were at law school a while back

Ken Tucker (Entertainment Weekly) pegs (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35802773/ns/entertainment-television/) The Good Wife as one of the ten best shows on television right now. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

The only thing that threw me a little was the Will-Alicia kiss. She's been there for months, and now that her husband is home she gets tempted?Obviously the attraction has been there and I think based on the pressure at hand (via the husband and work) it just came out.

Definitely one of the best shows going, I've recorded every episode.
CBS has had the best prime time lineup since HD began, imo.:D

Definitely one of the best shows going, I've recorded every episode.
CBS has had the best prime time lineup since HD began, imo.:D

I agree and because of HD I started watching a lot of their shows way back when they started airing the shows in HD

Me too:D Great picture quality won't make watch a bad show, but it can tip the scales on a marginal show. I don't consider The good wife just marginal but like almost all CBS prime time programs it's HD is stellar.

For me this show continues to grow stronger. Last night's episode played nicely and I appreciate the approach they take. Often more is said with a glance than words. This approach works nicely based on the level the show plays on. It just might be my most looked forward to show at this point.

For me this show continues to grow stronger. Last night's episode played nicely and I appreciate the approach they take. Often more is said with a glance than words. This approach works nicely based on the level the show plays on. It just might be my most looked forward to show at this point.

I agree that this is a very good show. I liked last night's episode because there wasn't too much about her husband, which, to me, drags the show down a bit.

I agree that this is a very good show. I liked last night's episode because there wasn't too much about her husband, which, to me, drags the show down a bit.I know what you are saying. Although in reality it had everything to do with him or yesterday would have been her last day at the law firm. :)

I know what you are saying. Although in reality it had everything to do with him or yesterday would have been her last day at the law firm. :)


Yes, Gold brought business in, mentioned Alicia's name to Will and Diane, and now has leverage over Alicia since he saved her job. But the focus was on her trying to keep her job, as opposed to her husband trying to get back into politics, which to me is a little far-fetched.

However, I think it's too bad that Cary was canned as he seemed to be a young lawyer struggling with his conscience. He definitely had the office politics routine down.

I guess MIB made it off the island. He was in the preview for next week's show.;)

Actually I like it too, I just wish Julianna would smile more. I saw her on a talk show where she looked very nice, and I was pleasantly surprised to see her smiling:)Well, her character is probably embarrassed by her husband's very public infidelity and arrest. I like this show.

No discussion on this show? I'm still enjoying it quite a bit. Lou Dobbs' appearance last week was a little strange, though. He didn't add much to the story other than "look, it's Lou Dobbs!"

I like the show pretty well but every time I see Julianna Margulies I get this little rumbling in my pants! :D

No discussion on this show? I'm still enjoying it quite a bit. Lou Dobbs' appearance last week was a little strange, though. He didn't add much to the story other than "look, it's Lou Dobbs!"

I'm still watching and think it is the best drama show on TV. Very interesting plots from week to week. I liked the Lou Dobbs appearance as it was a contrast of political views that will end up on the same side probably in a future episode.

Still viewing here. Nice to see it hasn't dropped in quality since the first season.

For all it's appearances as a typical CBS legal procedural there is a surprising amount of complexity to the relationships and political machinations that constantly run in the background.

I love this show since the beginning! CBS has been on a real roll the past ,well since their prime time lineup went HD:D

Still the leader by far, imo

Currently my favorite Drama. I enjoy the grey areas they explore. Far more entertaining than black & white.

It surprises me that there is so little discussion of this show, given its quality. If anything, it has gotten even better this year. I'm always surprised that an episode is ending as I become engrossed in the stories. That's one of the signs of a good show for me.

The word "cool" is not something I would normally use to describe this show but I thought sychronizing the car alarm with the music track was very slick. The rest of the show was a good demonstration of the great character dynamics at work. Consistently surprising and you can really feel the daggers when you have two sides of a conflict staring each other down. The facial nuances are just great.

Another strong episode and previews that promise even more next week. A really well written and acted show that manages to keep all of its story lines both interesting and well paced.

The word "cool" is not something I would normally use to describe this show but I thought sychronizing the car alarm with the music track was very slick.I subconciously noticed that, but didn't really think about it until you brought it up.


The little middle-eastern looking woman, what is she, a paralegal? She's quite a fireball..

The little middle-eastern looking woman, what is she, a paralegal? She's quite a fireball..

Inhouse private investigator and ex-cop if I remember correctly. Now with possible fake identity.

The little middle-eastern looking woman, what is she, a paralegal? She's quite a fireball..She didn't win an Emmy for nothing. :) Unless I'm mistaken I loved how she only smashed the windows/windshield which didn't cause any considerable damage. A real pro!

I always thought Will was a little weak for a managing partner but last night how he shielded Alicia impressed me. Up until then he reminded me too much of Daniel from Ugly Betty!

It surprises me that there is so little discussion of this show, given its quality. If anything, it has gotten even better this year. I'm always surprised that an episode is ending as I become engrossed in the stories. That's one of the signs of a good show for me.

I agree and think this is one of the best shows on tv if not the best.

I agree and think this is one of the best shows on tv if not the best.

Now that Mad Men has finished its season, I'd have to agree with that. At least in the drama category.

Sometimes we get good performance, other times good direction, even rarer is good writing. But to consistently get all 3 is a real treat.

I don't often save shows, but I've saved every episode from the beginning of this one!;)

I watched all the seasons episodes tonight, and I have to say I'm still enjoying the show as much if not more than last year.

As to tonight's show, all I can say is wow --what a change of pace. Do I realistically see this happening, no - but very good story telling.

Not sure what to think of Blake, I can see him going more rouge than Kalinda, though she has played things shady for some time.

As to tonight's show, all I can say is wow --what a change of pace. Do I realistically see this happening, no - but very good story telling.I thought the episode was fantastic. It was almost like watching 24. :)

Earlier this year I saw Julianna on Letterman (or another talk show) and she said this season they (the producers) could do things how they wanted to a larger degree. Such as with their success CBS is giving them a little more leeway. My guess last night was an example.

I watched all the seasons episodes tonight, and I have to say I'm still enjoying the show as much if not more than last year.

As to tonight's show, all I can say is wow --what a change of pace. Do I realistically see this happening, no - but very good story telling.

Not sure what to think of Blake, I can see him going more rouge than Kalinda, though she has played things shady for some time.

Except that much of the story content was lifted from real life. IRL, the woman's story stank so bad, even the local networks did not cover it, except in passing. NBC linked online viewers to the released police interviews; a great many details of the character's story came from that police interview. The writers just twisted a few things to make the story more plausible, and left out the outrageous inconsistencies that made the story utterly unbelievable. And AFIK, the writers added the coverup part. But to air this story one week before elections -- bad judgment and bad taste, IMO. As if it wasn't obvious enough, the writers added the party affiliation into the story.

I was blissfully unaware of the specific real life context and thoroughly enjoyed the show as terrific story telling, as usual. I often sense their political viewpoint through the Baranski character, but I am able to get past it and watch a truly well done show.

I often sense their political viewpoint through the Baranski character, but I am able to get past it and watch a truly well done show.I couldn't care less if the characters express a political viewpoint. Perhaps even the opposite as it plays more to real life. Regarding last night's show being a docudrama I can't see anybody being influenced by it and if they are they are to blame not the show. :)

I especially enjoyed the line about black and white as I posted previously this show does gray wonderfully.

The past two episodes have been fantastic and yet no posts about them. This is the best drama on broadcast TV (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW).

I was watching last night...well, trying to watch, but just couldn't stay awake. Will have to catch it on Hulu or something.

The past two episodes have been fantastic and yet no posts about them. This is the best drama on broadcast TV (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CW).

And yet, the only comment you can make about those episodes is that. So why did you expect anyone else to come up with something to say?

Yes, it's a good show, we've covered that. Beyond that this isn't a show that provokes conversation. It does what it does and it does it well.

I've seen bits and pieces of this before... but set my DVR last night when I saw the previews with Michael J Fox guest-starring.

I liked a lot of things about it... and while I'm not sure what I thought the show was about, I'm not sure it was anything like what I expected.

A lot of familiar faces on the show, from movies and TV. I might have to consider trying to catch up.

I liked a lot of things about it... and while I'm not sure what I thought the show was about, I'm not sure it was anything like what I expected.

A lot of familiar faces on the show, from movies and TV. I might have to consider trying to catch up.

You have to start from the beginning. This isn't a typical legal drama, there's a whole serialized political and character arc running through every single episode.

I think it has some of the most complex character dynamics on television and considering this is on CBS, that's even more surprising.

Tonight's episode has great reviews. Good show becoming great...

Agreed, great show this week!

Interesting character development last few shows. Alicia is growing up, you could see the hurt and the pain of loosing her altruism with the China case. Somehow I don't think we've seen the last of Bond, I can just see him forming a firm with Cary, now that Childs is out odds are he won't want to hang around in that position.

Eli Gold is one of the best characters on TV right now. Alan Cumming just plays him effortlessly.

Very good episode this week that really delivered some unexpected plot shifts and an excellent and ice-cold bad guy. I also like the way this show continues to buck convention by having the episode start in the middle of a storyline instead of the usual pre-credits setup that procedurals usually go for.

I was never a big fan of the Blake/Kalinda stuff though and the ending was either a great plot twist or a massive retcon. I wish I could remember how the scenes played out when Kalinda and Peter met in the first season so you could see how far in advance that angle was introduced into the story. If it had always been there it would have been a really clever arc element.

It was always there, there were these furtive meetings between them in the first few episodes.

This show is outstanding I look forward to next weeks to see how they might throw a few curve balls at us

I agree. We just discovered this show this season. We look forward to this show more than any other show this season.

Very good episode this week that really delivered some unexpected plot shifts and an excellent and ice-cold bad guy.

I was never a big fan of the Blake/Kalinda stuff though and the ending was either a great plot twist or a massive retcon.I kept feeling like the rug was getting pulled out from underneath me. Similar to finding out you were completely wrong about someone. It takes a while to sink in. As I have posted previously I love the gray in this show... very little black and white.

This remains the best scripted drama on television right now, with an extraordinary cast that isn't dominated by any one person. Julianne Marguiles is the nominal star, of course, but she blends into the ensemble seamlessly. Every episode ends in a way that makes me pray it's on again next week instead of a 3 week break.

I agree, great show, I'm glad it's back. I'm also happy it's not so much about Julianne and Chris Noth's marital problems anymore. Her being constantly pissed at him was starting to wear thin.

I agree, great show, I'm glad it's back. I'm also happy it's not so much about Julianne and Chris Noth's marital problems anymore. Her being constantly pissed at him was starting to wear thin.

Well, after the revelations of the last episode and the previews concerning Kalinda, I think we may again be re-visiting some form of that story.

Her being constantly pissed at him was starting to wear thin.I always felt they handled that very nicely. She seemed more conflicted than anything.

wonderful episode.cant believe back to back shows without a 2 or 3 week break.

wonderful episode.cant believe back to back shows without a 2 or 3 week break.

Is there truth that this show is on the bubble?

i think tv guide states it has a good chance of returning,but nothing is certain yet.

Is there truth that this show is on the bubble?Last week it was the 9th highest rated show. However it wasn't in the Top 20 for 18 to 49.

hello all,

kalinda did do what we think, or did she. any comments. i thinks it's going to be a great twist!!!

Another great episode this week I love this show

I like how they've increased Kalinda's screen time, very interesting character both on the show and from what I've read online about the actress.

I think this is one of the best shows on TV. The producers of 'Body of Proof' should have learned from this series how to build a show around an actress that isn't trite and obvious.

"The Good Wife" moves to Sundays at 9PM in the Fall: http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/cbs-unveils-primetime-2011-12-schedule-person-of-interest-takes-over-thursday-9-pm-slot/.

"The Good Wife" moves to Sundays at 9PM in the Fall: http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/cbs-unveils-primetime-2011-12-schedule-person-of-interest-takes-over-thursday-9-pm-slot/.I don't care when it airs just don't cancel it! This year's finale was terrific and setup the new season rather nicely.

A great season finale.. The scene with Kalinda and the Construction owner on the lift was classic....Her "what", and exasperated blow of her hair was teriffic. Is "Annie Frost" from Chase going to be a regular part of the cast??...She is one big girl, much taller than Kalinda, and of course girl/ girl scenes in bed = ratings...

Is "Annie Frost" from Chase going to be a regular part of the cast??...She is one big girl, much taller than Kalinda, and of course girl/ girl scenes in bed = ratings...I hope so... she was only reason I watched Chase.

I got a kick out of that ending.

Interesting time/day change, up against Desperate Housewives.

"The Good Wife" moves to Sundays at 9PM in the Fall: http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/cbs-unveils-primetime-2011-12-schedule-person-of-interest-takes-over-thursday-9-pm-slot/.

I find it odd that they moved it up against Sunday Night football on NBC, it will also be a struggle to start on time on the Sundays that CBS has a 4:00 game since they never end at 7:00, so that will effect the actual start time of the show, effectively messing up the DVR start time if you are watching football.

hmmmm.... i wonder why there isn't more action on this thread. this is a really good show. it has pretty high ratings, doesn't it? anyway, i'm probably in the minority, but i don't like alicia getting together with will.

I find it odd that they moved it up against Sunday Night football on NBC, it will also be a struggle to start on time on the Sundays that CBS has a 4:00 game since they never end at 7:00, so that will effect the actual start time of the show, effectively messing up the DVR start time if you are watching football.

I absolutely hate that time slot:mad: IMO the worst time slot on TV! Cold Case used to air on the same slot and I had to pad the recording 1 extra hour because football ALWAYS!!! ran long. It was explained in the CC thread why they don't just add 1/2 hr to the schedule for football(which would allow a 80% chance of something in that slot to start on time) but I guess it had to do with ratings and basically the networks didn't care about people with DVRs missing the end. I liked CC but was glad to not have to deal with that time slot, now I'll have to again:(

it has pretty high ratings, doesn't it? anyway, i'm probably in the minority, but i don't like alicia getting together with will.My guess is they won't be together long. Ratings wise...

CBS' drama block saw drastic improvements for their respective finale episodes. NCIS (18.1 million, 3.8), NCIS: Los Angeles (15.4 million, 3.2) and The Good Wife (12.4 million, 2.5) -- which the network revealed May 18 would be moved to Sunday nights this fall -- were all up double digits from their 2010 finales.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/voice-tops-tuesday-ratings-good-189822

I'm feeling quite ambivalent over the plot in the last couple of episodes. Sure, Alicia is angry, even very angry, but to do the 180 as she did, does not ring quite true to her character in my view. And, for some reason the closing scene made me a bit angry, I can only hope in the opener she'll have changed her mind and walked out.

I'm feeling quite ambivalent over the plot in the last couple of episodes. Sure, Alicia is angry, even very angry, but to do the 180 as she did, does not ring quite true to her character in my view. And, for some reason the closing scene made me a bit angry, I can only hope in the opener she'll have changed her mind and walked out.As she said during the episode... it's been brewing for a long time (or some such) and I didn't see it as a 180. I think it hit her two ways... one her best friend and co-worker had sex with her husband bringing her embarrassment beyond belief and with the campaign over she felt less obligated to remain neutral. To my eyes she never resumed their marriage after the scandal (not counting the one time they...).

Also I think she feels more independent and self-assured now. Noticed how she took in the large corner office almost like she had grown into it and was ready. After two years of working being by herself probably doesn't seem as scary.

Regarding Will she was drunk and they both keep saying just one hour. :) I can't see them becoming a couple regardless of what happened behind those closed doors.

"The Good Wife" moves to Sundays at 9PM in the Fall: http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/cbs-unveils-primetime-2011-12-schedule-person-of-interest-takes-over-thursday-9-pm-slot/.

Looks Like I will be dropping the show. I never watch/dvr anything on CBS Sunday nights because of sports overruns and them insisting on a 4 hour Sunday night schedule. I certainly like the show but this one I will now wait until DVD time to watch it.

I'm feeling quite ambivalent over the plot in the last couple of episodes. Sure, Alicia is angry, even very angry, but to do the 180 as she did, does not ring quite true to her character in my view. And, for some reason the closing scene made me a bit angry, I can only hope in the opener she'll have changed her mind and walked out.

grubadub and MattL -

I 100% agree with you. And Matt, I totally agree with your above post. Alicia was totally out of character these last three episodes, to the point that I haven't even liked her. I, like yourself, was pretty angry over the last few minutes of the season finale. This doesn't even feel like the same show now. For one, yes, she was drunk...but why was it just her and Will celebrating their victory? Where was Diane? Did you notice the older man playing the piano, then winking at Alicia? That has to be something significant next season. Don't you worry, this little escapade will get out to the media and it will not look good at all for Alicia... They weren't even attempting to be discreet. The whole time they were holding hands and passionately kissing in the elevator, all I could keep my eye on was Alicia's wedding band, still on her ring finger. If she was completely done with Peter, that ring would not be there. If she wants to play around with Will then she needs to divorce Peter. As it stands now, Alicia is technically no better than Peter because she has committed the exact same wrong that Peter did. I read on TGW Facebook page of all the women saying "go get it Alicia! You deserve that! Getcha some!" makes me pretty baffled. Do people really believe now that two wrongs make a right? Alicia is (was) a respectable woman with high moral ground.... to have her suddenly cheat on her husband, separated or not, is a major flaw. It makes it unrealistic. I was angry because it would appear that Alicia is going to stoop down to Peter's level. I suppose that's our society nowadays, though. All people want to see is sex sex sex.... revenge....cheating.... but I'd think a woman would definitely not approve of her behavior, which is why it's a surprise to me that most of them support her decision. I find it funny that this is my favorite scripted show, yet my wife doesn't much like it! :-)

Anyway I hope when the new season starts she'll realize she's about to make a mistake and run out of the room. In any case, whether she is drunk or not, if she goes through with it, she will definitely regret her decision. Imagine how working with Will would be after that! LOL.

Alicia is (was) a respectable woman with high moral ground.... to have her suddenly cheat on her husband, separated or not, is a major flaw. It makes it unrealistic.Unrealistic? What do the stats say?...

Percentage of women who admit to committing infidelity in any relationship they've had: 54%
Percentage of men and women who admit to having an affair with a co-worker: 36%

http://www.infidelityfacts.com/infidelity-statistics.html

Whether those stats are right or wrong I think the percentage is high enough it's far from unrealistic. Throw in the fact it's an old college sweetheart and the odds increases to 99%?

grubadub and MattL -

I 100% agree with you. And Matt, I totally agree with your above post. Alicia was totally out of character these last three episodes, to the point that I haven't even liked her. I, like yourself, was pretty angry over the last few minutes of the season finale. This doesn't even feel like the same show now. For one, yes, she was drunk...but why was it just her and Will celebrating their victory? Where was Diane? Did you notice the older man playing the piano, then winking at Alicia? That has to be something significant next season. Don't you worry, this little escapade will get out to the media and it will not look good at all for Alicia... They weren't even attempting to be discreet. The whole time they were holding hands and passionately kissing in the elevator, all I could keep my eye on was Alicia's wedding band, still on her ring finger. If she was completely done with Peter, that ring would not be there. If she wants to play around with Will then she needs to divorce Peter. As it stands now, Alicia is technically no better than Peter because she has committed the exact same wrong that Peter did. I read on TGW Facebook page of all the women saying "go get it Alicia! You deserve that! Getcha some!" makes me pretty baffled. Do people really believe now that two wrongs make a right? Alicia is (was) a respectable woman with high moral ground.... to have her suddenly cheat on her husband, separated or not, is a major flaw. It makes it unrealistic. I was angry because it would appear that Alicia is going to stoop down to Peter's level. I suppose that's our society nowadays, though. All people want to see is sex sex sex.... revenge....cheating.... but I'd think a woman would definitely not approve of her behavior, which is why it's a surprise to me that most of them support her decision. I find it funny that this is my favorite scripted show, yet my wife doesn't much like it! :-)

Anyway I hope when the new season starts she'll realize she's about to make a mistake and run out of the room. In any case, whether she is drunk or not, if she goes through with it, she will definitely regret her decision. Imagine how working with Will would be after that! LOL.


well put keith. if she wants to move on, get divorced and move on. she's been through the torture of being publicly cheated on and has held the high ground. that's virtuous and gives us a reason to pull for her and admire her. so it's disappointing to see her throw that away. but like some have said, hopefully she realizes this and doesn't go through with it.

Oh how I long for the Waltons. I guess virtue dosen't sell anymore.

If she is in it to get back at Will, she should kiss and make up/out sleep with Kalinda. Then go back to Peter. Its irrational to be mad at Peter now, imo.

Its irrational to be mad at Peter now, imo.

Why?

Not defending infidelity... but look at it like this...

Peter cheated multiple times with multiple partners... and went to prison... and Alicia believed he had changed and was trying to learn to accept him and slowly move forward.

Then she finds out that the whole time he had kept yet another secret from her... Why would Peter have not come clean on everything so nothing could come back and bite him?

So... Alicia feels betrayed all over again, and to some extent thinks Peter and Kalinda might have even been mocking her stupidity for not knowing about them...

And now they are separated again... so if she does fall into something with Will... it's hard to blame her... she was kind of pushed into it... and at least she has some feelings for Will, unlike Peter who appears to have been just cheating because he could (or thought he could) get away with it.

That said... it isn't smart... given how it will look in the press... and how Peter can spin it to say "see, she was doing it too" even if it is just that one time at the end of all Peter's betrayals.

So it just isn't a smart thing to fall into for Alicia... given all the smarter ways she had been handling everything else... but she is human.

I also suspect that Kalinda would be helpful... as she genuinely likes Alicia, and does not like Peter... over all this time... so likely Kalinda ultimately helps Alicia out of this slip-up somehow.

I do hate the schedule change, though... This fit well with me on NCIS night... I hated Cold Case on Sundays because (as others have noted) it almost never came on at the scheduled time during NFL season... which made it hard to watch or DVR along with FOX shows I watch for the same reason.

I much prefer shows I like to not be on Sunday nights unless they are on a channel like TNT or USA or something where you can count on the time they will air being solid.

You guys consider that cheating? They are separated without the paper work being filed.

Throw in the fact it's an old college sweetheart and the odds increases to 99%?

Especially if they are Facebook friends ;)

Nice interview with the Kings: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/the_kings_showrunner_transcrip.html

This show is noticeably soft to me. Is TGW as sharp as other CBS shows for you?

TGW is just as sharp as other CBS programming, which is excellent in my market(no subs).

Especially if they are Facebook friends ;)Very true!

This show is noticeably soft to me. Is TGW as sharp as other CBS shows for you?I was comparing Boxee Box to my TiVo (recordings) and I noticed it looked a little soft (compared to some other shows).

Anyone know the name of the song that they played near the end of the show (when they were in the elevator)?

"Any Other World" by Mika

Courtesy of my Shazam android app.

http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Any+Other+World/2pIwuh?src=5

You guys consider that cheating? They are separated without the paper work being filed.

Under the circumstances, it is more understandable cheating... but it is still technically cheating... and more importantly, since separation papers were not yet filed, it creates grounds for Peter to counter-claim that Alicia was also unfaithful in their marriage should he choose to do so... which is why it wasn't a smart thing to do.

Under the circumstances, it is more understandable cheating... but it is still technically cheating... and more importantly, since separation papers were not yet filed, it creates grounds for Peter to counter-claim that Alicia was also unfaithful in their marriage should he choose to do so... which is why it wasn't a smart thing to do.

If only they had a good lawyer or two to advise them of that...:D

Under the circumstances, it is more understandable cheating... but it is still technically cheating... and more importantly, since separation papers were not yet filed, it creates grounds for Peter to counter-claim that Alicia was also unfaithful in their marriage should he choose to do so... which is why it wasn't a smart thing to do.We know papers weren't filed because? I'm not saying they were just that we aren't privy to everything that went on. Just like Kalinda a good surprise once in a while is entertaining. :)

..... Just like Kalinda a good surprise once in a while is entertaining. :)

That was an entertaining scene;) While they have hinted at Kalinda's orientation before it's been only that, hinting. No doubt now....

Under the circumstances, it is more understandable cheating... but it is still technically cheating... and more importantly, since separation papers were not yet filed, it creates grounds for Peter to counter-claim that Alicia was also unfaithful in their marriage should he choose to do so... which is why it wasn't a smart thing to do.

I thought it was heavily implied that papers weren't filed so it doesn't stain Peter's inauguration day. I took this when Alicia was billed during the meeting with her "boss"?

"Any Other World" by Mika
Thanks Matt!

That was an entertaining scene;) While they have hinted at Kalinda's orientation before it's been only that, hinting. No doubt now....

Kalinda has always been Bi, there never was any doubt about that point.

We know papers weren't filed because? I'm not saying they were just that we aren't privy to everything that went on. Just like Kalinda a good surprise once in a while is entertaining. :)

I thought it was heavily implied that papers weren't filed so it doesn't stain Peter's inauguration day. I took this when Alicia was billed during the meeting with her "boss"?

Yeah... it was basically inferred that Alicia should wait to file for a bit to let Peter take office first... which is a good deed yet again by Alicia... and while her elevator thing is understandable, it will surely come back to bite her next season. There's no way it won't get used against her. This show has been all about things coming back to haunt people.

Why?

Not defending infidelity... but look at it like this...

Peter cheated multiple times with multiple partners... and went to prison... and Alicia believed he had changed and was trying to learn to accept him and slowly move forward.Peter has not cheated since

Then she finds out that the whole time he had kept yet another secret from her... Why would Peter have not come clean on everything so nothing could come back and bite him?You expect him to name names of those he slept with? That he did is known, they were working that out

So... Alicia feels betrayed all over again, and to some extent thinks Peter and Kalinda might have even been mocking her stupidity for not knowing about them... This her irrational overreacting

And now they are separated again... so if she does fall into something with Will... it's hard to blame her... she was kind of pushed into it...BS and at least she has some feelings for Will, unlike Peter who appears to have been just cheating because he could (or thought he could) get away with it.

That said... it isn't smart... given how it will look in the press... and how Peter can spin it to say "see, she was doing it too" even if it is just that one time at the end of all Peter's betrayals.

So it just isn't a smart thing to fall into for Alicia... given all the smarter ways she had been handling everything else... but she is human.

I also suspect that Kalinda would be helpful... as she genuinely likes Alicia,They should have slept together and does not like Peter...I have not seen any evidence of this over all this time... so likely Kalinda ultimately helps Alicia out of this slip-up somehow.Kalinda is out for Kalinda

I do hate the schedule change, thoughThats what DVRs are for, watch what evr day or night you like... This fit well with me on NCIS night... I hated Cold Case on Sundays because (as others have noted) it almost never came on at the scheduled time during NFL season... which made it hard to watch or DVR along with FOX shows I watch for the same reason.

I much prefer shows I like to not be on Sunday nights unless they are on a channel like TNT or USA or something where you can count on the time they will air being solid.

Fixed it for you

Fixed it for you

Not really...

If you know your partner cheated on you... and you thought you knew the whole story... but then a year later found out that he had cheated with a close friend... wouldn't you feel like that should have been told to you before?

Clean slate means clean slate... I do believe that IF you decide to forgive someone, you don't hold an axe over their head forever... BUT if you forgive someone who hasn't told you everything, and you find out that on top of everything else they were keeping additional secrets... it does kind of undermine the forgiving process.

On the DVR point...

It isn't so much the night of the week, but the fact that it will be on after NFL football for half of the season... and football notoriously makes shows unpredictably late.

I can set a DVR timer for a show that always comes on at 9pm... but if it could come on anywhere from 9pm to 10:30pm, it makes things difficult.

Not really...

If you know your partner cheated on you... and you thought you knew the whole story... but then a year later found out that he had cheated with a close friend... wouldn't you feel like that should have been told to you before?

Clean slate means clean slate... I do believe that IF you decide to forgive someone, you don't hold an axe over their head forever... BUT if you forgive someone who hasn't told you everything, and you find out that on top of everything else they were keeping additional secrets... it does kind of undermine the forgiving process.

On the DVR point...

It isn't so much the night of the week, but the fact that it will be on after NFL football for half of the season... and football notoriously makes shows unpredictably late.

I can set a DVR timer for a show that always comes on at 9pm... but if it could come on anywhere from 9pm to 10:30pm, it makes things difficult.


most dvr's let you add extensions to whatever you're recording. that's probably what i'll do.

Clean slate means clean slate... I do believe that IF you decide to forgive someone, you don't hold an axe over their head forever... BUT if you forgive someone who hasn't told you everything, and you find out that on top of everything else they were keeping additional secrets... it does kind of undermine the forgiving process.My take is she only tried to work things out to keep the kids out of the situation as much as possible. I didn't see a real effort to put a marriage back together. I think her words were something like... the kids don't deserve any of this.

With the election over and getting hit over the head with the fact that he slept with her best friend enough was enough. Any good will he had built up instantly tumbled away. As she said in the elevator... it was building up for a long time and now it had simply boiled over.

I think if it wasn't for the kids she would have left him day one. She only stuck around so she wouldn't be the bad guy in the kids' eyes (make theirs and their dad's life worse) while he was in prison and running for office.

DVR wise if you pad the recording (at times) it will prevent you from recording another show during the pad period.

I feel the HD on this show has never been near as clear and sharp as other CBS shows.

I was comparing Boxee Box to my TiVo (recordings) and I noticed it looked a little soft (compared to some other shows).

Thanks for checking.

I feel the HD on this show has never been near as clear and sharp as other CBS shows.

I agree. It's sharper than SD but not as sharp as other CBS HD shows.

most dvr's let you add extensions to whatever you're recording. that's probably what i'll do.

DVR wise if you pad the recording (at times) it will prevent you from recording another show during the pad period.

That's where the problem comes in... IF this were the only thing I had to watch on Sunday nights... I could work with it... but yeah, I don't want to have to record a 2 hr window just to catch one show at the expense of missing something else.

Not to mention the fact that I watch FOX shows on Sunday... and those already have the same problem... so now I have two networks to baby again!

Yup, that's why I have 6 tuners and a few times a year 5 of them are going at once.

Man I despise CBS Sunday night TV:mad: Week 1 of the Good Wife and they are running 28 minutes late:( Some football game must have ran long, as they ALWAYS do! get a clue CBS and schedule football 1/2 hr longer:rolleyes:

Exactly. You have no idea how incensed I was to find the season premier of Good Wife cut in half on my DVR. Been years since I watched CBS Sunday nights now I know why. Going forward I have the super crappy CSI Miami set to record just in case. I hate that it will get reported as being watched when I can't tolerate it, but it's worth it for one of the best shows on TV. Bit T here I come...

Jeez, lucky I checked this thread.

Guess I can delete the "entire" episode and will either hope it gets rerun in the middle of the nigh due to viewer outcry or have to watch it at the abysmal CBS.com site.

Being on the west coast I got the whole episode recorded, but what I don't get is, I thought this was one of the Eye's very best shows, why would they relegate it to Sunday night where the football issue is going to cause problems? Does CBS really have that much faith that it's so good it will overcome the ratings(viewing) issues that accompany following the NFL, especially given that the majority of viewers are in the east, where football will cause the biggest problem? And it's leading into a show that's on life support? I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this scheduling.

My guess is, when Unforgettable flops it will move back to it's original time slot.

I'm confused. I'm vacationing on the East Coast now and watched it as scheduled from 9-10pm, no problem.

As for the opener itself, I was kinda disappointed, but I'm probably in the minority. Still a great show and all with a stellar cast and am thrilled JM won the Emmy. 8)

I'm confused. I'm vacationing on the East Coast now and watched it as scheduled from 9-10pm, no problem.


Apparently some markets had the late game on CBS, and some didn't.

What I don't understand is why CBS can't simply plan for this. If Philadelphia, say, is getting a game that starts at 4:15, then PLAN on starting 60 Minutes at 7:30 and put that in the KYW-TV schedule data. NFL games take at least 3 hours. Don't schedule them into a shorter time slot.

Knowing what football would likely do, I planned ahead and recorded Good Wife and the show behind it. Worked fine - though when it abruptly ended on the first part, I could see where the anger would build to those with no backup plan. It was right in the middle of an important scene. The show itself is still must see for me and the premiere was fine. Lots of new story branches being set up and interesting places to go. With Peter back in power and having the 'inside knowledge' of how Alicia works, it played out with some nice court room twists, promising more to come. The sex scene with Alicia and Will was about as much as network tv could do (Will: "am I being too hard on you..."). Still a great show.

I checked my recording before deletion and luckily it seems to have started on time here on WRAL.

This entire problem should be solved by now. We live in a digital TV age and viewers are still encountering this issue even though Europe solved it nearly twenty years ago on the VCR!

Euro VCRs had Programme Delivery Control which waited for a scheduled signal being transmitted OTA from the broadcaster before starting and stopping a recording. That way when a show overran the scheduled recording didn't start or finish too early. Now UK DTV has Accurate Recording which uses the same idea to tell DVRs when a show actually starts.

The only difference DTV here seems to have brought is providers squeezing in more channels at lower quality. Sigh.

My DVR allows you to extend the stop time of a show so I extended it 1 hour. Then I just fast forward to when the show started.

My DVR allows you to extend the stop time of a show so I extended it 1 hour. Then I just fast forward to when the show started.

Actually that's also what I do. 45 minutes would be perfect(and probably catch 98%) but Tivo jumps from 30 mins. over(would still miss probably 30%) to 1hr(never missed something with 1hr) so I go with the 1hr. and simply FF through the inevitable football overrun.
As a former Cold Case recorder I'm very familiar with this time slot and it's chronic overruns. In the CC thread it was stated there was a reason for under scheduling the football, something about the ratings actually went up when it inevitably ran long. Not only did the football people watch the overage but also people watching live waiting for their favorite program to start. Advertisers probably don't care that DVR people will miss the ending, they will probably be skipping the commercials anyway...
Matt L, I feel the same way about CSI Miami, I like the other CSIs but really dislike Miami. If things are tracked then just extending the Good Wife recording shouldn't give Miami any more rating points:)

My DVR allows you to extend the stop time of a show so I extended it 1 hour. Then I just fast forward to when the show started.

Be careful with that... An hour will work most of the time... but there was one Sunday last year where everything that night was close to 1.5 hours off.

Also... if you're like me and watch multiple shows on Sunday night, including shows on FOX and CBS... it becomes a nightmare because you can't extend everything because then you run out of tuners on your DVR to catch everything.

IMO this is the best show on network TV. It's a crime they've put it on Sunday evenings. This probably will insure it won't survive, similar to what happened to Cold Case and Without a Trace when they were put on Sundays.

IMO this is the best show on network TV..

Agreed. It's the only show that we make a point of watching the same night, as opposed to DVR'ing it and watching some time later in the week, like we do with every other show. It's great watching world-class actors delivering their best work week after week.

I don't remember Without a Trace being on Sundays... I thought it ended its run on Tuesdays...

I agree on Cold Case, though... and I now have the same problem with Good Wife... in that I can set a timer BUT I have to baby it manually every week because I also watch SNF, FOX animation, and sometimes a random other thing on another channel... like this past weekend I also had to DVR Prohibition on PBS...

I've long been of the opinion that this is the best written/acted show on network TV and this new season continues that. I'm so sorry they've put it on Sunday with the built-in football time displacement. Regular viewers will probably adapt to that just out of commitment, but it doesn't bode well and I can't imagine why the network did it. But, the show remains worth the effort. I can always tell how good a show like this is, when an episode ends and I realize that was the last scene! It's like reading a riveting novel and having the chapter end with only the promise of a new chapter being mailed to you next week. The wait is brutal. Great stuff.

For once I am an example of the person they caught with a combination of stunt casting AND lead-in audience.

I had been watching NCIS... and started watching NCIS LA... then during those shows last year I saw promos for episodes of the Good Wife guest-starring Michael J Fox.

I watched those episodes... and he did a really good turn and essentially was cast as the villain role opposite Julianna's heroine. There are a lot of other good regulars on this show... so I became a fan. I still need to go back and catch the first season at some point.

BUT... they caught me because of the promos during shows I was watching and some stunt-casting to reel me in.

IF I was a new viewer now, I probably wouldn't ever catch this show on Sunday night after the delays when I have nothing else to watch on Sunday on CBS.

So, yeah, now that I'm a fan I will adjust to keep this show watched by me... but I have to think their audience will not grow as much this season with the new night... at least not until football season ends.

Love the show,wonderful writing,excellent actors. Terrible HD picture quality,soft almost SD in my opinion.Watch ota.

Terrible HD picture quality,soft almost SD in my opinion.Watch ota.I have always felt if it was soft too. Although, recently when I was watching an episode it appeared very detailed... almost like another show and I wondered if something had changed. However the moment and they went to another scene it looked as before. If I remember the scene was outside of their offices or typical shooting location. Perhaps it was my imagination. :)

I would guess that the softness of the picture quality is intentional through the use of filters. There are a couple of females on this show that, uh, aren't exactly young by Hollywood standards. I don't know about Marguiles or Baranski, but some well known actresses on other shows had it stipulated in their contracts that any close-ups were filmed with softening filters.

I would guess that the softness of the picture quality is intentional through the use of filters. There are a couple of females on this show that, uh, aren't exactly young by Hollywood standards. I don't know about Marguiles or Baranski, but some well known actresses on other shows had it stipulated in their contracts that any close-ups were filmed with softening filters.

There's that... and there's also style choice. NCIS has the same look. When NCIS went to digital cameras, they wanted to achieve the same look they had made with the filters on their traditional cameras... which all pointed to the "fuzzy" look being intentional.

Some fans debate how they like or dislike this kind of look... but it's worth noting that "HD" doesn't necessarily mean it has to look like peering through a window, unless that is the director's intent.

Sometimes they want to set a mood by the use of the filters.

did this show lose a key writer? it seems to have lost it's focus/direction.... something's off. and the title doesn't really fit anymore.

did this show lose a key writer? it seems to have lost it's focus/direction.... something's off. and the title doesn't really fit anymore.

Just saw the opener and everything feels completely off. This is one of my favorite shows and now it feels like the bad seasons of ER. What was the dancing in front of the soccer team scene about on the train?

I haven't even gotten the nerve to watch episodes 2 and 3 of this season yet.

Just saw the opener and everything feels completely off. This is one of my favorite shows and now it feels like the bad seasons of ER. What was the dancing in front of the soccer team scene about on the train?

I haven't even gotten the nerve to watch episodes 2 and 3 of this season yet.

FWIW, eps 2 and 3 were much better than the season opener, which felt like a nighttime soap. At least there was more emphasis on the actual legal/investigative element.

Alicia is more independent and less the poor suffering wife, always trying to do good and always conflicted. She's still conflicted, but it's true -- the name of the show doesn't really fit any more. I'm enjoying the increased role of Eli, and as much as I like watching Alan Cumming chew the scenery, he could take it down a notch every so often.

FWIW, eps 2 and 3 were much better than the season opener, which felt like a nighttime soap. At least there was more emphasis on the actual legal/investigative element.

Alicia is more independent and less the poor suffering wife, always trying to do good and always conflicted. She's still conflicted, but it's true -- the name of the show doesn't really fit any more. I'm enjoying the increased role of Eli, and as much as I like watching Alan Cumming chew the scenery, he could take it down a notch every so often.

Thanks, just watched every thing except last Sunday's episode. The last few episodes were better than the opener but the shows direction is all over the place.

I usually throw logic out the window when watching television but since when will


A news program will show kids vomiting without their faces being blurred out
If there is one investigator, how did Kalinda get a picture of the nanny leaving and the senator leaving at two different locations?

I finally watched the most recent 3 episodes last night. They sat there for weeks because I'm not enjoying the show as much as I had been. I HATE the direction they are taking Alicia. The one bone they threw last week was that she does not "love" Will. At this point she is no longer the "Good Wife", but just an ordinary slutty wife. Her brother mentioning how she was always the good daughter and is now living out her "wild" side did not help.

Normally I would not care one way or the other, it's just a TV show, but I feel I invested in the show and this is not what I want to see.

I HATE the direction they are taking Alicia.I enjoy the fact they have let the storyline move on. It was more than time she moved onto a life she wanted and at the same time not forgetting the kids. About time she found her confidence. :)

For me the series title has always been an insult. Such that she would be the good wife and put up with whatever her husband did. Luckily, for her she outgrew that life.

... Luckily, for her she outgrew that life.

I'm not arguing with the rest of your post but after all, she is still married. Divorce her husband and she can do anything she wants, married and everything she does with Will, etc. is just cheating:( IMO she hasn't really ever been a good wife but I still like the show:)

I'm not arguing with the rest of your post but after all, she is still married. Divorce her husband and she can do anything she wants, married and everything she does with Will, etc. is just cheating:( IMO she hasn't really ever been a good wife but I still like the show:)Especially being an old fart I don't judge people that closely. In some ways you can say she is doing her husband a favor by not divorcing him, no? It helps his political career. My guess is she would have left long ago if she wasn't playing house for his benefit. I have no experience or knowledge when it becomes socially acceptable to be with someone after you are separated... my guess is it's none of my business. :)

My issue, as I have stated before, is that it seems to be out of character for Alicia to be messing around with Will. That for me is the biggest turn off of the season. I don't care for the footsie and the entendre, that is not how she was portrayed in the first two seasons.

My issue, as I have stated before, is that it seems to be out of character for Alicia to be messing around with Will.She has been lusting Will since college and they have shown that since day one.

I don't care for the footsie and the entendre, that is not how she was portrayed in the first two seasons.You don't expect someone to act differently once they leave their husband?

Yes, I know she had a thing for Will for years, but still. Sure, I expect her to act differently after she leaves her husband, but jump in bed the next day? After years of dealing with his actions?

Plus, if she was open abut kicking him out that would be one thing, but to keep it a secret and start carrying on with her boss? Normally career suicide, but it is TV....

Sure, I expect her to act differently after she leaves her husband, but jump in bed the next day? After years of dealing with his actions?Kalindagate was the final straw. At that point she was done... on all levels. Not that she wasn't beforehand on most. Remember the scene she said something to the affect... tell me something to make me love you again... which didn't end with a kiss. :)

Plus, if she was open abut kicking him out that would be one thing, but to keep it a secret and start carrying on with her boss? Normally career suicide, but it is TV....I agree it's not idea. However at the same time who's business is it? Why should she go around declaring her single-ship. Also, keeping it on the low has its advantages as you say he is her boss and if/when they get divorced dragging Will into it certainly wouldn't help (her side).

Regarding your previous comment that at least she doesn't love Will how did you come up with that? My take over his Love You... was she simply didn't want to address the topic once again to keep things quiet and under control.

No, I recall her making the statement an episode or two ago.

No, I recall her making the statement an episode or two ago.It was shortly before she rented him the apartment last season...

“I don’t get this,” Peter puzzles, bewildered, spinning in place.

“You slept with Kalinda,” Alicia explains. She watches his back, waiting for the denial that doesn’t come, and then composing herself.

“Look,” he begins. “No, don’t, Peter” she stops him, almost pleading, “this makes it easier. So please just take your keys?” She extends her hands to him, begging him to be civil and let her go.

“Alicia, I need you,” he begs, moving toward her. Wrong tack, buddy; guilt is not going to sway her. Don’t tell her what she owes you, not now when you owe her so much. “You slept with my best friend,” Alicia wards him off, enunciating the words carefully. “It was before she was your best friend.” Now, again, even if it’s true, that’s so not helpful.

“Oh, God,” she gasps, unable to even look at him anymore, stunned by his presumption. “Look,” he continues smoothly, “I’m not trying to make excuses…” So why does it sound exactly like that what you’re doing? “But you know I’ve changed.” Alright, that’s fair. He turns the full force of his puppy dog eyes on her, but she’s still looking away. “I love you. Love. What can I do to make this better?” She raises her eyes to his face, aching. “Nothing,” she answers, whispering, on the verge of tears. Her face warns him not to ask again, and she drops his keys on a side table and flees the room.

Season two episode twenty-one...

Peter knows it’s over. “Okay, Alicia, have at it. You’re the injured one,” he says, the elevator doors closing on him as Alicia screams, “Say something! Say something that will make me fall in love with you again.”

To my thinking her screaming wasn't a request rather a damnation. That there is nothing in this world he could do to make her love him. Of which she explicitly expressed at the new apartment scene referenced above.

Fundamental problem with this last episode: Every convenience store like that is full of cameras. There would have been no question about the man's guilt after reviewing the tape. It never would have gone to trial. Did I miss some lame-ass excuse like 'the camera was broken' or something, that would have led to the mistaken arrest?

Will's ex needling Will and Peter about Alica was mildly entertaining, but I hate her character.

Fundamental problem with this last episode: Every convenience store like that is full of cameras. There would have been no question about the man's guilt after reviewing the tape. It never would have gone to trial. Did I miss some lame-ass excuse like 'the camera was broken' or something, that would have led to the mistaken arrest?


Let alone that since he wasn't near the gun, there would be no gunpowder residue on him.

Let alone that since he wasn't near the gun, there would be no gunpowder residue on him.

Yeah... there were a whole bunch of little things like that I found hard to believe it got as far as it did with accusing the witness of being the robber.

Since they kept him in custody that whole time, it seems like the residue test would have been done... and I also agree about the cameras... and I'm kind of confused how the actual robber disposed of the gun and other stuff and then somehow looked calm and more believable than the real witness.

and I'm kind of confused how the actual robber disposed of the gun and other stuff and then somehow looked calm and more believable than the real witness.

That part, at least I can buy. It's the only part of the set-up that I can buy. Presumably, the witness was panicing and afraid for his life, while the perp wasn't.

just got around to watching the last episode. it was pretty good, imo. best of the season so far. or possibly it just seemed better because my expectations have come down quite a bit.

Let alone that since he wasn't near the gun, there would be no gunpowder residue on him.



Watched this last night and this was the first thing I thought of. Come on Good Wife, this was the best show on television for the last two years and now........


Then we were cheated out the DA's office reaction when they brought the proof in.

Watched this last night and this was the first thing I thought of. Come on Good Wife, this was the best show on television for the last two years and now........

I also watched this last night and it was also the first thing I thought of.
On a different note I'm liking Elie's increased roll this season, he ads a different feel to the office:)

Me like.

Saw this for the first time the other night. Love the exchange between the female attorney and white inmate.

"I like you. Why don't you like me?"

"You killed your wife."

"There is nothing I can do about that?"

Love the exchange between the female attorney and white inmate.

I kind of feel, if you are deliberately going for a 'Silence of the Lambs' kind of moment, don't bang us over the head by deliberately mentioning Clarice Starling at the begining of the scene. The audience isn't stupid. We don't need to be hit over the head wtih it.

CBS have killed this show for me. Too many recordings with half episodes missing and I'm not going to pad an hour because my DVR is already filling up with episodes of shows that actually start on time. Especially on Sunday when I have three tuners recording.

My interest level is broken now and CBS doesn't seem to care.

Moving such a good, well written show to Sunday nights is certainly perplexing. But, it is still good enough for me to make allowances for it, though it's inconvenient. They must have felt it was so strong that the switch wouldn't harm it - or - they are not as committed to it as I would like and are fine with its demise if it comes to that. Having won an Emmy, you would think they would support it more, not less.

I've removed it from my DVR schedule and instead watch it on TWC's Primetime HD On-Demand... last night's episode was available immediately after midnight, so I was able to watch it same night, in 44 minutes, without having to FF commercials (just a few 15 & 30 second CBS promos that aren't worth the bother to FF). Not too bad a deal.

just watched the last episode tonite. i was hoping after the episode with the wife killer making a deal to get out of jail they might have got their groove back. but this last episode was nothing special. just plain ordinary. tick tock. you're on the clock good wife.

TV Notes
‘Wife’ Taking Late Hits by N.F.L.
By Bill Carter, The New York Times - November 7th, 2011

“The Good Wife” on CBS is an Emmy-winning show (for its star Julianna Margulies) with a committed, devoted audience.

But its relocation this season to Sunday nights has resulted in the loss of about 2 million viewers — and outright frustration for a number of its fans, especially those who make a point to record the episodes on DVRs.

The problem is one that shows on CBS have lived with for a generation: late-afternoon National Football League games that run past their scheduled broadcast time. This season, for example, “The Good Wife” has started as late as 9:29 p.m. Eastern time — as it did on Oct. 30 — not at 9 p.m. as scheduled.

Not only is that a rather odd time to begin watching a television show, but it is also far later than anyone’s DVR anticipated the show to start. For some avid followers that means a truncated episode.

Bobbi-Lee Smart, a fan of the show who participates in a weekly online commentary about “The Good Wife,” said in a Twitter message, “Any time events run over their time and cut into the shows I’m recording I get annoyed.”

This Sunday “The Good Wife” played in its usual 9 p.m. slot in much of the country, but in many big cities CBS was broadcasting N.F.L. games that again moved the starting time to 9:30. Those cities included television markets like Washington, Dallas, Tampa, Denver and Atlanta.

On Oct. 30 viewers in every CBS market were affected. If they recorded “The Good Wife” at its usual time, and sat down to watch it later, they would have seen 29 minutes of “The Amazing Race,” the reality competition that precedes “The Good Wife” on Sundays — and only half the episode of the hourlong drama they wanted to see.

“I can certainly understand the frustration some people have with the N.F.L. run-overs,” said Kelly Kahl, the CBS executive in charge of scheduling.

CBS said it was trying everything it could think of to alert fans of “The Good Wife” when the show would not be starting on time. That included sending a fusillade of messages on the network’s Twitter feed; posting the information on CBS.com and CBS’s Facebook page; messages scrolled every five to six minutes at the bottom of the television screen after the end of the games; and even something called an Eye-Lert, which use e-mails and text messages to warn subscribers to this CBS service that a show may be delayed.

The network also has begun posting information on its Web site directed at fans of “The Good Wife” to instruct them on exactly how to program their DVRs to ensure that they will not miss the show. The message reads, in part: “Make sure you get the entire program by setting your DVR to record a two-hour block rather than just one hour. That way, if ‘The Good Wife’ is delayed 20 or 30 minutes, you will still get the whole show.”

The expanding use of DVRs — 43 percent of homes with television are now equipped with the device — is one reason the football over-runs are drawing more attention. But another is tied specifically to “The Good Wife,” which has a somewhat serialized story line, a rarity on CBS. The network mainly broadcasts dramas with self-contained stories.

“The Good Wife” does have those, but it also has a continuing plotline, which is one element that makes the show so compelling — and more frustrating for its fans to miss (or to miss the last half of an episode). Some fans expressed concern about the fate of “The Good Wife” when CBS moved the drama from Tuesday night to Sunday night. CBS executives, led by Nina Tassler, the president of its entertainment division, promised that moving the show did not mean it was being downgraded.

CBS had sound reasons to make the move to Sundays, said Brad Adgate, who heads research for the advertising-buying firm Horizon Media. “They could put ‘Good Wife’ against ‘Desperate Housewives’ and try to take away some women viewers,” Mr. Adgate said.

Even with “Desperate Housewives” down an average of more than 3 million viewers, though, “The Good Wife” is not faring as well on Sunday as it had on Tuesdays. It has lost an average of almost 2 million viewers in its first six episodes this season, averaging about 10.5 million viewers an episode. The show’s rating in the advertiser-preferred audience group of viewers between the ages of 18 and 49 has slipped from a 2.3 to a 2.1.

The initial ratings for “The Good Wife” on Sunday were about the same as the previous week, but they are unsettled until the differences in all the markets where games ran late can be factored in. But it is probable that more viewers in those cities found themselves missing half the latest episode if they did not program their DVRs to record the later program as well.

The show’s Sunday slot, while advantageous because the night is the most watched in television, is not totally suitable in one respect: CBS has a huge audience early in the evening with football, but that audience, which is 65 percent male, does not exactly line up with the “Good Wife” audience, which is 65 percent female.

Mr. Kahl expressed satisfaction over all with the show’s performance on Sundays and noted that the concern about how the delayed recordings were affecting it “tells me that ‘The Good Wife’ has a very loyal audience.”

He said that CBS was trying “to go overboard in letting people know” when the show would be delayed. He added, “Other than call people individually, which I would be happy to do if I could, I think we are doing about everything we can.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/arts/television/nfl-delays-angering-good-wife-fans.html?_r=1&ref=television

Interesting article dad, thanks!
Never really heard such a fuss when Cold Case was in this awful(IMO) time slot, Good Wife must either have a more vocal audience or higher ratings than CC.
Personally I just do as I did with CC, pad the event by +1hrs. on the tail end. This works for me because I only record 1 other event from the 9-10pm CT slot. Others who already record 2 events(on different channels) may not have that luxury:(
If they only scheduled football for 1/2 hr. longer they'd probably catch 90% of the Good Wife programs, of course starting a 1hr. program on the 1/2 hr. never seems to be done and I suppose on the other end they wouldn't want to start football on the 1/2 hr. earlier:confused:
Crummy time slot, it's all I can say. How long has this been going on? I know for sure it effected CC but it must have been going on longer than that...

I thought last night's episode was stellar. Including...


Peter and Will going at it (I thought Will stood his ground).
The political message was perhaps over the top but it sure turned up the heat.
Hey Mom pick up the phone! Was played out wonderfully including the sexual harassment video. Going to get good...
Alicia hiring her own attorney. Smart!

Pretty hard to pack more entertainment in 43 minutes.

My memory is fuzzy... but when I first started watching Cold Case, it wasn't on Sunday nights... I think it was moved in its last season(s) when they probably didn't care about the ratings.

CBS really should think about moving one of their shows off of Sunday night so they can move 60 minutes to the 8pm time slot and not have nearly as many delays.

FOX finally wised up a few years back. It's why Futurama was canceled by FOX actually... it was airing in the 7 or 7:30pm timeslot on Sundays and was often pre-empted due to late football... and at one point they were nearly a year ahead of schedule in terms of produced episodes vs aired ones!

So they canceled it not because it wasn't popular, but because they almost never aired it!

FOX finally wised up and gave up the 7-8pm timeslot to absorb most of those delays.

I wish CBS would do the same.

The audio deletion drove me a little nuts. Some of it (court scenes) was obviously intentional; other (conversations) just seemed like glitches in the production. But great ep, as usual.

I thought that was one of the best hours of network drama I've seen in a long time. It was FULL of great scenes: Alicia and the Government guy, Peter and Will, the Courtroom, all just great. And the way they seamlessly combine the serialized and procedural elements is masterful. And it all begins with the universe of characters they've created; smart, fully realized people that you want to spend time with. Just great.

Very fun episode to watch.Wills past has come back to haunt him.

Alicia's lawyer was nuts. Any chance that Alicia's adversary returns this season? She was the other ditzy attorney who seemed to be faking being an airhead.

Last night was another great episode. I presume Peter read the transcript so he knows what did and didn't happen... unless he thinks she lied. I think their (short) showdown was the highlight.

I agree, last nites episode was very well done. I liked how they setup Kalinda as the leak only to learn she was doing a double cross.

I liked how they setup Kalinda as the leak only to learn she was doing a double cross.For me that was a little overboard. I did like how Wendy Scott-Carr came across (to some degree) inept. Especially, when the grand jury was determining whether to indict or not... they ate her alive. I'm sure it wouldn't happen that way but it was fun watching her get killed by them and later by Peter. I think it's rare to see secondary characters portrayed so realistic. Such as they have definable strengths and weaknesses.

Alicia's lawyer was nuts. Any chance that Alicia's adversary returns this season? She was the other ditzy attorney who seemed to be faking being an airhead.Meryl Streep's daughter, Mamie Gummer?

For me that was a little overboard. I did like how Wendy Scott-Carr came across (to some degree) inept. Especially, when the grand jury was determining whether to indict or not... they ate her alive. I'm sure it wouldn't happen that way but it was fun watching her get killed by them and later by Peter. I think it's rare to see secondary characters portrayed so realistic. Such as they have definable strengths and weaknesses.

Her biggest weakness being her pettiness and attitude that she's smarter than everyone else. After losing the case and not getting another chance from Peter, she resorts to trying to get Will disbarred. Very petty and self absorbed. Very consistent for her. She is definitely a character that you love to hate.

Alicia's lawyer was nuts.

She's my favorite character on this show. If they featured her too much, the show would tread too far in to comedic Alley McBeal territory. But in small amounts, she's fantastic.

She's my favorite character on this show. If they featured her too much, the show would tread too far in to comedic Alley McBeal territory. But in small amounts, she's fantastic.

Yes, the thing that this show has managed to do much better than any David E. Kelly legal drama is have comedic characters that aren't completely over-the-top farcical caricatures. Hopefully the writers on The Good Wife can keep walking this fine line with these periphery characters.

I (think I) read Michael J. Fox will be back for a few episodes. I had my doubts how they would work him in but it worked out wonderfully.