Those that complain about this show, would you rather watch Ghostbusters, wrestling or cooking on this channel?

Those that complain about this show, would you rather watch Ghostbusters, wrestling or cooking on this channel?

Most of us who have complained here are fans. We just wanted some improvements IMO. It was the people who gave up and went away that helped to cancel the show. Why did they give up and go away? Maybe the show didn't hold their interest. Maybe they were all immature and couldn't appreciate an “adult” sci-fi show. Maybe they wanted to be entertained. Either way, it wasn’t the people here complaining who canceled the show.

At this point does it really matter why the show was canceled? What is done is done, the show is no longer in production for whatever reason. Some people did not like the direction of the show, and some people did like the direction of the show. There are a lot of good and bad shows that are canned each year.

At this point does it really matter why the show was canceled? What is done is done, the show is no longer in production for whatever reason. Some people did not like the direction of the show, and some people did like the direction of the show. There are a lot of good and bad shows that are canned each year.

Very true, but it's still fun to talk about.:D

Those that complain about this show, would you rather watch Ghostbusters, wrestling or cooking on this channel?

Ghostbusters ghostbusters or those lousy Ghost Hunter shows? Because I'd be happy with Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II over Mega Python vs. Gatoroid.

Hell, I'd watch cooking if you could get me original Iron Chef with original audio and English subtitles.

I'm a Top Chef junky and Marcell was one of my favorite contestants on that show. So when I saw he was getting his own show on Syfy I was pretty excited but confused at the same time. I mean what he is doing has NOTHING to do with Science Fiction, it doesn't belong on the Syfy network!!

I love the show though (not as much as SGU), just don't understand what Syfy has been doing lately with programming.

Faceoff was interesting though (if anyone here watched it). I hope they make a second season but try to break away from the reality competition side of it. Maybe follow around a few of the contestants as they go about working on projects..

Better yet!!

Have Syfy comission a movie and we get to have a series that follows around the special effects people as they create and over come those obsticles!

Those that complain about this show, would you rather watch Ghostbusters, wrestling or cooking on this channel?

That's a false dichotomy. Wanting SGU to improve doesn't mean that we would rather watch those other things.

Also, I would just like to point out, that the people complaining are actually still watching the show. The problem is they lost too much audience too early by basically trying to write beyond their talents and take the franchise in a completely new direction. You alienate the people who have invested a lot of time in the franchise while at the same time preventing newcomers from giving it a try since they are intimidated by trying to jump into a long running franchise at this point. Above all that, they simply didn't have the writing and directing chops to pull off the kind of gravity they were attempting and the whole thing fell flat.

I will say this though (and likely isn't a popular opinion among some circles) even though I'm bummed that the Stargate franchise is effectively dead and how I loathe the infiltration of reality TV on to Syfy, they still manage to have a handful of things that rank VERY highly in my enjoyment list. Warehouse 13, Eureka, and now Being Human continue to be highly entertaining for me and honestly put the network at near the highest point since the SG-1/BSG heydays. No, those shows aren't hard science fiction. They are, however, genre shows that simply wouldn't survive anywhere else nor given the creative freedom they evidently have.

So, in the long run, I can't be too depressed. For the first time in decades I don't have a "space opera" to entertain me which sucks, but at the same time genre shows are having a massive revival (with great production values) and actually managing to carve out a decent audience. I can't help but applaud that.

That's a false dichotomy. Wanting SGU to improve doesn't mean that we would rather watch that other crap.

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Just a minor change, but I think it reads better this way.:D

Faceoff was interesting though (if anyone here watched it). I hope they make a second season but try to break away from the reality competition side of it. Maybe follow around a few of the contestants as they go about working on projects..

Face Off-and Being Human were both picked up for second seasons.

They complained about the shows slow pacing.

Just chalk it up to the increasingly poor attention span of the American viewing population. I was diagnosed as having ADHD, as a child, and the behavioral criteria used for me would be blown away by virtually any random person tested today.

That freaking Numa Numa song on Brody's iPod cracked me up pretty good.:)

Just chalk it up to the increasingly poor attention span of the American viewing population. I was diagnosed as having ADHD, as a child, and the behavioral criteria used for me would be blown away by virtually any random person tested today.

That freaking Numa Numa song on Brody's iPod cracked me up pretty good.:)

Not to pick on you, but people say this kind of stuff all the time. These type of SciFi shows hardly ever last that long. There are only a hand full of shows that have lasted on the air for a significant amount of time. Very few of them break out to be popular beyond a narrow audience of sci fi fans.

I'm not sure it's so much ADHD as much it is the society we now live in that is making shows like SGU much harder to succeed.

Hell I remember when I was a kid watching STNG and before that was on they ran a show (on the tip of my tongue) about a race of aliens who came to earth as slaves and get drunk on bad milk, one of them became a cop. Anyways my point is we had limited amount of channels and no way of watching something we missed unless we had and programmed a VCR or they showed a repeat.

Today, so much different. I have over 80 channels, shows on at the same time that I DVR and watch later, and if I have to possibly watch it if available ONdemand and the ability to get on the net and procure me an episode if I can't find it another way. So if I was only 12 or 13 again today and wanted to watch TV at 9:00pm I would have 50x the amount of options, would a show like SGU even be a blip on my tv viewing map?

The problem was Syfy started carving out the core audience of SGU once they started hitting this "Ghost Hunter" stuff so hard. It's hard for me to believe that with all the problems they had during the first season with potential viewers that they even had enough viewers to start with.

Hell I remember when I was a kid watching STNG and before that was on they ran a show (on the tip of my tongue) about a race of aliens who came to earth as slaves and get drunk on bad milk, one of them became a cop. Anyways my point is we had limited amount of channels and no way of watching something we missed unless we had and programmed a VCR or they showed a repeat.

It was called Alien Nation and was based on a theatrical film. hehe - I think it was that movie or show that had an insult that I love: "Your mother mates out of season."

I'm not sure it's so much ADHD as much it is the society we now live in that is making shows like SGU much harder to succeed.

Hell I remember when I was a kid watching STNG and before that was on they ran a show (on the tip of my tongue) about a race of aliens who came to earth as slaves and get drunk on bad milk, one of them became a cop. Anyways my point is we had limited amount of channels and no way of watching something we missed unless we had and programmed a VCR or they showed a repeat.

Today, so much different. I have over 80 channels, shows on at the same time that I DVR and watch later, and if I have to possibly watch it if available ONdemand and the ability to get on the net and procure me an episode if I can't find it another way. So if I was only 12 or 13 again today and wanted to watch TV at 9:00pm I would have 50x the amount of options, would a show like SGU even be a blip on my tv viewing map?

The problem was Syfy started carving out the core audience of SGU once they started hitting this "Ghost Hunter" stuff so hard. It's hard for me to believe that with all the problems they had during the first season with potential viewers that they even had enough viewers to start with.

STNG was one of the few I was thinking of. It also had the advantage of being in syndication which meant it did not have to worry about a network looking for ratings.

STNG was one of the few I was thinking of. It also had the advantage of being in syndication which meant it did not have to worry about a network looking for ratings.

Yeah ... UPN (and to a lesser extent WB) killed SciFi. Once they tried to make a network out of it (Trek franchise) the syndication outlets dried up.

Also, I would just like to point out, that the people complaining are actually still watching the show. The problem is they lost too much audience too early by basically trying to write beyond their talents and take the franchise in a completely new direction.

And based on recent opinions here and around the Web, where the show is now is a lot better than when it started. Unfortunately 1.5 million viewers never stuck it out to reach this point.

If we did a quick poll I think the general consensus - now the show has reduced or dropped all the elements viewers were complaining about for the first season - is that SGU is pretty good now.

I agree. The show finally found its legs. All the problems I thought the show had in the beginning were worked out. Too bad its too late, it is really good now and a shame that it will be over soon.

:D Last night's episode got in a couple of good lines about Dr. Rodney McKay, pervert:

Lt. Benson: "I'm UP HERE." (Rodney's eyes go from her breasts to her face.)

Dr. McKay (big grin): "Lead the Way!" (Benson stares him down.)

In general, I can tell they are setting up for some sort of final episode that will hopefully tie up some of the dangling plot lines. It would basicly be VERY DECENT of them to do so, versus the usual frustrating chop-off when a series is cancelled.

Considering this week was the return of McKay and this thread is almost dead I think we can see how much the interest level has dropped off.

Not a great episode but fairly solid and a change from the usual. They did finally address the McKay on Destiny hole and how they are trying to get to the Destiny by other means which was good to see. Still doesn't solve the stone issue of why they don't just get Rodney up there for a week or month to do the same job Telford was asking of him. McKay even asked to stay when he beamed up.

McKay as usual was a scene stealer and Picardo as always is great value, but why was he on Earth? Woolsey is supposed to be commanding Atlantis.

Nice callback from Young saying "Sheppard was right about you."

They used the stones in a pretty imaginative way this week, although I could have sworn Ginn said she shutdown the FTL drive which should have caused the stones to break link and wreck the plan earlier.

I could have done without the dream world of Rush. Nice as it was to see Carlyle get something more interesting to do than just look annoyed, the entire story was pretty cliched and tiresome. Although it did fool me when he wasn't actually out.

I think Atlantis is in Earth orbit or thats how SGA ended although my memory could be faulty.

I think Atlantis is in Earth orbit or thats how SGA ended although my mempry could be faulty.

So it was. I completely forgot how SGA ended. It flew to Earth and landed in San Francisco. I guess it's still there.

In general, I can tell they are setting up for some sort of final episode that will hopefully tie up some of the dangling plot lines. It would basicly be VERY DECENT of them to do so, versus the usual frustrating chop-off when a series is cancelled.

Hadn't they already filmed these episodes when it was cancelled?

So it was. I completely forgot how SGA ended. It flew to Earth and landed in San Francisco. I guess it's still there.

The one episode I missed, I read about here. lol

Hadn't they already filmed these episodes when it was cancelled?

Yes

Brilliant way to use the stones. Never thought of that. Although they should of had some kind of keyword to make sure it was them when they returned. I really liked this episode.

Very good episode. I will miss it :(

Are the girls gone now or just locked up behind a firewall?

Hadn't they already filmed these episodes when it was cancelled?
Yep, they were in the can before the show was canceled. I don't think we will get much resolution at all, in fact I bet the final episode is a huge cliff hanger. According to IMDB, there are only 5 episodes left.

Are the girls gone now or just locked up behind a firewall?

They are just behind a firewall/quarantine. Given the limited amount of shows they have left it is possible we never see them again.

I thought it was a good episode. A little paint by the numbers with the virtual reality sections. The use of the stones was devious.

Some rumblings that MGM may green light a two hour movie or mini series to tie up loose ends. Right now it is reported that they are looking at the numbers to see if it can be done. The after sale DVD market is not as lucrative now as it was a few years ago and they are looking at other revenue streams to get this done.

Some rumblings that MGM may green light a two hour movie or mini series to tie up loose ends. Right now it is reported that they are looking at the numbers to see if it can be done. The after sale DVD market is not as lucrative now as it was a few years ago and they are looking at other revenue streams to get this done.

They haven't even started on the Stargate Atlantis or the next SG1 movie yet. Those have been on hold for a while now. It would be surprising for them to do a movie for Stargate Universe and not go forward with those other movies.

They haven't even started on the Stargate Atlantis or the next SG1 movie yet. Those have been on hold for a while now. It would be surprising for them to do a movie for Stargate Universe and not go forward with those other movies.

By the time those earlier two SG series ended I had long lost interest in them. Did they leave a number of unresolved plot threads or did they have the opportunity to provide an appropriate closure? If so, then SG:U would be a different scenario. I'd certainly welcome a scripted ending. Even if it had a montage. ;)

I'd certainly welcome a scripted ending. Even if it had a montage. ;)

That's what they did with CAPRICA...a final montage at the end.

I liked this episode, that's all I'll say for now so I don't spoil anything for anyone.

I thought this was a bit pedestrian.

Some nice character moments but the hunt through Canada with mysterious monster is something that SG has done before and what feels like very often. It especially reminded me of the last SG-1 season episode with Ben Browder and Beau Bridges bonding while hunting an unseen forest monster.

But at least it was a break from the typical SGU plot devices.

I know the ship has been through a lot, but they didn't have a single infrared camera to send down to hunt monsters?

Yeah, that bugged me..they've got dozens of kinos, use those to scout the area. Don't know if they can do infrared, but still, use the darned things.
And where did all those firearms come from (in the scene where Young and co were loading up), they looked too Earth centric to be the Lucian Alliance weapons.

And where did all those firearms come from (in the scene where Young and co were loading up), they looked too Earth centric to be the Lucian Alliance weapons.

They pulled all of the weapons off the "duplicate Destiny" a few episodes back - doubled their firepower. ;)

Hadn't they already filmed these episodes when it was cancelled? "Seizure"

According to David Blue's Blog, no they hadn't.

http://www.david-blue.com/Blue/Blog/Entries/2011/4/6_McKay_McRib_-_Limited_Time_Only.html

Did we know we weren’t being renewed while filming?


No. We filmed the show far ahead of the airing. The ratings were slipping as we were filming, but we had no idea what decision Syfy would make as to renewing the show. We all held on to hope, as we VERY much enjoyed working together and working on the show. But we were’t told until December, after we had already wrapped and most of us had left Vancouver for the hiatus.

Am I reading that quote wrong or doesn't that say that they had already filmed the episodes when it was cancelled - which is the same thing as I said in my post you quoted?
Also - why did the word "Seizure" get added to my quote?

I know the ship has been through a lot, but they didn't have a single infrared camera to send down to hunt monsters?

Yes! The kinos can do IR. Episode "Time" from season 1. Those snakies showed up pretty well on night vision.

Am I reading that quote wrong or doesn't that say that they had already filmed the episodes when it was cancelled - which is the same thing as I said in my post you quoted?
Also - why did the word "Seizure" get added to my quote?

No he said they had filmed the episode before knowing they were canceled. In fact it says later that the entire season was finished before they knew.

I added the title of the episode since it was posted last week, didn't want anyone to think it was referring to the last aired episode.

Does the show wrap things up?


That’s a tough one. The end of the season wasn’t meant to be the end of the show, no. But as one of our producers said, it is actually kind of poetic. If it ends up being the last you see of “SGU”, it’s a fun ending, really. I’m very curious to hear what you guys think of it.

No he said they had filmed the episode before knowing they were canceled. In fact it says later that the entire season was finished before they knew.

I added the title of the episode since it was posted last week, didn't want anyone to think it was referring to the last aired episode.



... Not that it matters, because this is starting to sound stupid now - but that is in fact the same thing I said 2 different times now. Am I taking crazy pills here or are you?
I'm only continuing the discussion because I don't understand how "Hadn't they already filmed the episodes when they were cancelled?" is saying something different than "they had already filmed the episodes when they were cancelled" - just in question form?

They filmed the episodes before knowing that they were cancelled... Which was originally a response i posted disagreeing with the suggestion that they were wrapping up the series since it had been cancelled - since they did not know it had been cancelled when it was filmed.

Which is Sad PTAaron if you think about it. Since these epiosdes were film prior to the cancel notice going out, the writers heard the fans and made the episodes better.

Now with it being called due to the rating, I can't see a TV/DVD movie being done to answer all questions :(

Yes goes without saying I very much enjoyed the last episode. From Rush teaching Eli a lesson (I agree with Eli but Rush has learned haste makes waste). To Greer saying "if shows me intellegence I wont eat it". Only to have his own words in a way used on him in the end.

I'm only continuing the discussion because I don't understand how "Hadn't they already filmed the episodes when they were cancelled?" is saying something different than "they had already filmed the episodes when they were cancelled" - just in question form?

I bet you are both wrong. They probably didn't use film at all.... ;)

I bet you are both wrong. They probably didn't use film at all.... ;)
http://www.fitnessboard.net/images/smilies/LMAO.gif :D

Feels weird commenting (or criticizing) a show that is cancelled, but what the heck. If future shows like SGU or others going to try for realistic characters, they might want to abandon the phenomena of 'Red Shirts', ie unknown background characters that get killed and nobody seems to really care. It might lend some drama and gravity to the shows if after *every* incident where a character dies, we see some grieving friends, coworkers, etc, maybe a funeral or two. That just bugged me watching everyone on SGU yuk it up at the barbeque after a pretty fair number of people got killed on the planet. I know most of the dead (all of them?) were Lucian Alliance, but someone on board must care.

That being said, gotta give props to Rush's brutal but honest assessment of Volker being 'the best friend, a shoulder to cry on'. I just felt sorry for the poor guy when he saw what must be a familiar sight...him being on the losing end of things.

Imperfect as it is, I will miss this show.

Feels weird commenting (or criticizing) a show that is cancelled, but what the heck. If future shows like SGU or others going to try for realistic characters, they might want to abandon the phenomena of 'Red Shirts', ie unknown background characters that get killed and nobody seems to really care. It might lend some drama and gravity to the shows if after *every* incident where a character dies, we see some grieving friends, coworkers, etc, maybe a funeral or two. That just bugged me watching everyone on SGU yuk it up at the barbeque after a pretty fair number of people got killed on the planet. I know most of the dead (all of them?) were Lucian Alliance, but someone on board must care.

I posted some time ago about that. How many redshirt soldiers did they have to begin with anyway? They keep losing them with no possibility of reinforcement, yet they always seem to have more hanging around in the background, available for any mission, including some that appear to be permanent guards for their Lucian prisoners. Lt. Rack always seems to dodge the bullets, fangs, etc., however. Her amazing chestal development must be like an amulet of invulnerability! :p

It kind of reminds me of ST:Voyager when they'd lose a shuttlecraft every other episode for 7 years but they never seemed to run out of them - an inexhaustible supply. Those kinds of things are like little dings that eventually erode the veneer of believability on these kinds of shows. It's like it never occurs to the writers that they either need to conserve resources or deal with the consequences of running short of men or equipment. They typically do neither.

Imperfect as it is, I will miss this show.

Yeah, same here.

Feels weird commenting (or criticizing) a show that is cancelled, but what the heck. If future shows like SGU or others going to try for realistic characters, they might want to abandon the phenomena of 'Red Shirts', ie unknown background characters that get killed and nobody seems to really care. It might lend some drama and gravity to the shows if after *every* incident where a character dies, we see some grieving friends, coworkers, etc, maybe a funeral or two. That just bugged me watching everyone on SGU yuk it up at the barbeque after a pretty fair number of people got killed on the planet. I know most of the dead (all of them?) were Lucian Alliance, but someone on board must care.

Speaking of red-shirts, you now what makes me lol every week? They have that scene where Young says he killed Riley in the intro, and I have absolutely no idea why. Usually when a show does those little recaps in the beginning, it's pertinent to upcoming episode. But SGU's intro has lots of scenes that usually end up having absolutely nothing to do with the ensuing episode. I dunno...it's just weird.

Speaking of "red shirts" - I was convinced that the guy that was in the gave with 'medic chick' (can't think of her name right now) was a goner... and I was just as surprised that he lived as I was that they killed off almost all of the Lucian Alliance people!

Riley was critically injured and pinned under debris in a shuttle crash. The countdown clock was ...counting down (even though Rush had access to the bridge and partial control), and there was no way to rescue him in time or even treat his injuries if they could. So Young,sat with him for awhile before putting Riley out of his misery.

No, no...I know who Riley was and what happened. I just have no idea why they throw it into the intro every single episode since it's virtually never relevant to the episode at hand. But there are several scenes in that intro that are like that.

Riley is probably going to come back Deus Ex Machina style and send them back to Earth in the final episode.

I was wondering about the last episode. I thought that they had control of the ship now and could control the jump to FTL?
In the episode Tamara mentioned they had a certain amount of time until the jump.

No, no...I know who Riley was and what happened. I just have no idea why they throw it into the intro every single episode since it's virtually never relevant to the episode at hand. But there are several scenes in that intro that are like that.

Perhaps it's just a quick reminder for character development - to show the Col. can not only give an order that a subordinate may find mentally difficult to complete, but that he is capable of doing the same.

I'm not sure if my meaning is coming across, but I think you'll get the gist.

Mmm I think Destiny needs to keep FTL'ing or the engines will be damaged or something, if I recall correctly, even if they now have control...

No, no...I know who Riley was and what happened. I just have no idea why they throw it into the intro every single episode since it's virtually never relevant to the episode at hand. But there are several scenes in that intro that are like that.

The start of the show has two different parts.

The first half of it is the intro. This is the same for every episode of the season or half season.

The second half is the recap where they show scenes that are relevant to the current episode.

This is the same as most shows do it. The difference is that in SGU the "intro" doesn't scroll the actors names along the bottom of the screen or anything, and the separation between the end of the intro and the beginning of the recap is pretty seamless, whereas most shows break it up with a "previously on...." voiceover.

It confused me the first few times as well, but they actually started doing it about half way through season 1.

All Stargate projects canceled/shelved. There will be no SG:U movie to tie it up.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2011/04/wright-sgu-continuation-other-movies-dead-for-now/

All Stargate projects canceled/shelved. There will be no SG:U movie to tie it up.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2011/04/wright-sgu-continuation-other-movies-dead-for-now/

From 12/16/10
chances are they'd do a tv movie to wrap things up


I wouldn't bet a nickel on that happening, if they felt that SGU was not worth the effort/cost to keep around, they're hardly going to spend more money on a series finale film of the show. Remember that since filming is already done on the final episodes, they have very little, if any at all, cost/expenses left - it's all ad income now, why spend more?

Did they change the time today or was I just confused??
I turned on the TV at 10 and "Urban Legends" was on instead??

Yes, it's now on an hour earlier 9pmEST/8 Cen, with the latenight encore also moved up to 11pmEST/10 Central.

Interesting episode. Made me start to wonder about the origin of the drones.

From 12/16/10

True I didn't think they would but the fact that they canned any chance of an SG-1 or SG-A movie as well is disappointing, especially for the fact that the scripts for both of these movies has been done for a year.

I enjoyed the episode as well and started thinking abou tthe drones too, but I would think if the Destiny crew or their descendants had built the drones they would have programmed them to recognize Ancient technology and not attack it. I would also think that the crew of the Destiny would most likely recognize the programming or designs of the drones being more familiar if their descendants designed them as they would have learned how to do all that stuff from the crew in the first place.

As far as the news of no new movies/shows being worked on that is very disapointing but not suprising. MGM is still in pretty bad shape. I'm hoping the release of the Stargate Atlantis complete series Blu-Ray set coming out in July will sell well (I've already pre-ordered mine) and show them there is still interest in the shows. Maybe even get someone interested in buying the rights off MGM (although they seem to be reluctant to sell the rights to anything even though they are in bad shape).
SGA Complete Series Blu-Ray at Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B004WJT5H4/ref=nosim/panandscathed-20)

Am I delusional, or are these episodes getting better and better? My one thought is that the dead city on Novis (sp?) would have unbelievable resources, but obviously no food. I am assuming everyone starved. 2000 years of advances starting with Rush and Eli and the other scientists on Destiny would put them at pretty high level of tech. Then again you would think they would have built some ships with FTL technology by then and wouldn't be solely reliant on gate travel.

Am I delusional, or are these episodes getting better and better? My one thought is that the dead city on Novis (sp?) would have unbelievable resources, but obviously no food. I am assuming everyone starved. 2000 years of advances starting with Rush and Eli and the other scientists on Destiny would put them at pretty high level of tech. Then again you would think they would have built some ships with FTL technology by then and wouldn't be solely reliant on gate travel.

Rush wasn't with them, he stayed on the ship.

Am I delusional, or are these episodes getting better and better? My one thought is that the dead city on Novis (sp?) would have unbelievable resources, but obviously no food. I am assuming everyone starved. 2000 years of advances starting with Rush and Eli and the other scientists on Destiny would put them at pretty high level of tech. Then again you would think they would have built some ships with FTL technology by then and wouldn't be solely reliant on gate travel.

Well Eli's obsession to recored everything seems to be the saving grace here. Even without Rush (he was on the ship) they had a wealth of info from everyone stored. As for ships you figured in 2000 years they would have had enough tech to build ships. Or Drones. Our space program is more about probes these days then planet travel.

My DVR missed this weeks expisode but I was able to watch it ondemand last night.

I loved the concept of them meeting their decendants of the past 2000 years. Of seeing how a civilization can come about by the influence of just a few people and the conflict they may have concerning thier situation. Was fantastic seeing the "archival" footage, very surreal feeling and the acting was superb when they showed the first "birth" on nova.

What a fantastic episode!!

All Stargate projects canceled/shelved. There will be no SG:U movie to tie it up.

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2011/04/wright-sgu-continuation-other-movies-dead-for-now/

:mad:

If MGM wasn't in such poor shape these movies would have probably already been made. The previous ones made some easy money for them.

:mad:

If MGM wasn't in such poor shape these movies would have probably already been made. The previous ones made some easy money for them.

I can't understand why television sci-fi has such a hard time attracting flies when people flock to big-budget vfx spectacles at the movies and, especially, video games. All the top grossing films have a sci-fi angle to them (except Titanic, I suppose and the vfx of the ship sinking was a huge draw in that one as well). And the video game industry has to be one of the most profitable in the entire world, right up there with weapons and pharmacuticals.

You'd think there would be enough of a spill-over in the geekosphere to attract 5-15 million viewers a week to a TV sci-fi themed show or space opera, especially if it's reasonably well done. See this show, 'Dollhouse', 'Terminator:SCC', 'Flash Forward', 'Journeyman', etc. - doesn't matter what the theme or network is, they all fail sooner or later, mostly sooner. Only LOST and BSG in recent years have survived beyond 2 seasons, and one of those hid its sci-fi roots pretty well until it was well established. It's a source of continuing befuddlement to me. :confused: :(

It's a source of continuing befuddlement to me. :confused: :(

Not to me. I mean, it doesn't even have bad covers of songs being sung by amateurs or d-list celebs dancing.

And reality aside, it's not based in a hospital or a homicide department.

Obviously it's not for the masses.

I so want to know who Eli had children with... my guess is Camile... (they seem to click together even if Camile doesn't date men, Eli would be her choice I think)

I really enjoyed the last episode. It was a a good pay off for the previous episode. I am glad they are taking at least another episode to explore the civilization.

I can't understand why television sci-fi has such a hard time attracting flies when people flock to big-budget vfx spectacles at the movies and, especially, video games. All the top grossing films have a sci-fi angle to them (except Titanic, I suppose and the vfx of the ship sinking was a huge draw in that one as well). And the video game industry has to be one of the most profitable in the entire world, right up there with weapons and pharmacuticals.

You'd think there would be enough of a spill-over in the geekosphere to attract 5-15 million viewers a week to a TV sci-fi themed show or space opera, especially if it's reasonably well done. See this show, 'Dollhouse', 'Terminator:SCC', 'Flash Forward', 'Journeyman', etc. - doesn't matter what the theme or network is, they all fail sooner or later, mostly sooner. Only LOST and BSG in recent years have survived beyond 2 seasons, and one of those hid its sci-fi roots pretty well until it was well established. It's a source of continuing befuddlement to me. :confused: :(

Sci Fi asks its users to pay more attention to their viewing than most viewers are willing to give. Most people do not want entertainment that requires them to have to watch every episode to know what is going on. I also would imagine the very geek audience you site could be one of the worst to pin down. They are probably more likely to drop an series if they miss an episode. They are most likely to be playing a game instead of watching television. They are the most likely to download a show instead of watching it live. I am sure I could go on.

I so want to know who Eli had children with... my guess is Camile... (they seem to click together even if Camile doesn't date men, Eli would be her choice I think)

Ewww I mean really Camile? Then again if you need to populate a planet guess having kids come first.

Ewww I mean really Camile? Then again if you need to populate a planet guess having kids come first.

She's not a bad looker if she could just shut the fk up for a few minutes.

I remember her (the actress) from 2&1/2 men. She was annoying then too.

And Camile is 48 in real life, she could have maybe one child and that's it..

Yeah she looks way younger..

I thought she was a little older. Like early fifties. I had no idea she was still in her forties.

So I guess the actor that plays rush is the oldest.

It seems like this show has finally started to hit it's stride. I'm disappointed to see it go as there are so many questions that this past episode has opened.

- Did anyone on Nova survive? Did they perhaps go to an underground ark?

- Is there a central library archive that the crew of Destiny can tap into?

- Did the Novans create the drones only to have them become sentient and turn against all technology. (ala the replicators)

- Why would the drones attack a gate? It's not foreign tech...

- Do the 100 shipwrecked folks play the same role as the SGA Athosians? Time to find a more efficient air generator than soda lime.

- Who the heck does Eli inseminate (multiple times)? Ginn? Lt. Chesty? :D

- Can a population of around 50 really grow to millions? Is there enough genetic variation? Seems like a pretty extreme bottleneck.

- If a society starts at the baseline intellect of the crew of the Destiny, I'd have to believe space travel would happen well before 2000 years had passed. Earth discovered gravity in the mid 1600's and less than 300yrs later had men on the moon.

I have a feeling that if this series had lasted to Season 3 it would've had the feel of the past SG shows. The comedy, witty banter, and story lines have all gotten better. There's a developing comaraderie between most crew members and exploring the ship seems to have become a priority. The military/civillian conflicts are pretty much gone. I really would've liked to have seen the writers interpretation of the signal from the birth of the universe but I would've been ticked if Jody Foster's dad made a cameo. :mad:

And Camile is 48 in real life, she could have maybe one child and that's it..

Yeah she looks way younger..

I thought she was a little older. Like early fifties. I had no idea she was still in her forties.

So I guess the actor that plays rush is the oldest.

She's not a bad looker if she could just shut the fk up for a few minutes.

I remember her (the actress) from 2&1/2 men. She was annoying then too.

She looks great for her age, I just mean Eli is what 26? I figured him and Lt. Mc boobs would hook up is all :)

It seems like this show has finally started to hit it's stride. I'm disappointed to see it go as there are so many questions that this past episode has opened.

- Did anyone on Nova survive? Did they perhaps go to an underground ark?

- Is there a central library archive that the crew of Destiny can tap into?

- Did the Novans create the drones only to have them become sentient and turn against all technology. (ala the replicators)

- Why would the drones attack a gate? It's not foreign tech...

- Do the 100 shipwrecked folks play the same role as the SGA Athosians? Time to find a more efficient air generator than soda lime.

- Who the heck does Eli inseminate (multiple times)? Ginn? Lt. Chesty? :D

- Can a population of around 50 really grow to millions? Is there enough genetic variation? Seems like a pretty extreme bottleneck.

- If a society starts at the baseline intellect of the crew of the Destiny, I'd have to believe space travel would happen well before 2000 years had passed. Earth discovered gravity in the mid 1600's and less than 300yrs later had men on the moon.

I have a feeling that if this series had lasted to Season 3 it would've had the feel of the past SG shows. The comedy, witty banter, and story lines have all gotten better. There's a developing comaraderie between most crew members and exploring the ship seems to have become a priority. The military/civillian conflicts are pretty much gone. I really would've liked to have seen the writers interpretation of the signal from the birth of the universe but I would've been ticked if Jody Foster's dad made a cameo. :mad:

Well the trip back through time happened after ginn had died and before her consious was found so that couldn't happen. As for where they are technologically remember they started with next to nothing so they had to start at the bottom of the technology scale and build things like hammers first in order to build the next level and the then the next etc, etc. It could take a while to build ftl ships when starting from scratch. And if the show had lasted longer I would agree the show would have the feeling of other stargate shows.

Here goes my take.
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- Did anyone on Nova survive? Did they perhaps go to an underground ark?


Hopefully this will be answered next week.

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- Is there a central library archive that the crew of Destiny can tap into?


On Destiny or on Novis? Maybe answered next week if on Novis.

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- Did the Novans create the drones only to have them become sentient and turn against all technology. (ala the replicators)


Also possibly answered next week. My guess is no, since apparently they never mastered FTL for themselves (or NOVIS would have sent a rescue ship after all their people were cut off from the gate, right?) Hard to believe they created FTL-capable drones without having FTL ships themselves....although you could argue that the supervolcano or whatever destroyed Novis also destroyed all their ships and none happened to be off-planet during the event.

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- Why would the drones attack a gate? It's not foreign tech...


Who said? I would think gates would be foreign tech.....unless the ancients or the SGU folks created the drones.

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- Can a population of around 50 really grow to millions? Is there enough genetic variation? Seems like a pretty extreme bottleneck.


Of course. Ever see a picture of a family that evolved to 30 or 40 people within 3 generations? All it takes is for a couple to have 6, and them to have 6 kids each, and all of a sudden you went from 2 people to 44 in a matter of 3 generations (which could be as little as ~55-60 years, assuming a legal reproduction age of 18:)).

I also believe there was a news story where they thought the human population was as low as 1000 at one point near the end of one of the ice ages. Can't seem to find it now.

And of course in the last 200 years, the world's population has gone from around ~1 billion to ~7 billion....just phenomenal growth. So if you do some quick math here, that means the population has increased by a factor of 7 in 200 years. So say on Novis they started off with 50 people, and averaged worse growth than that....let's say every 200 years the population only grows by a factor of 4 (or in other words, doubling every 100 years). That means at the end of 200 years, the population is 200, and after 400 years, the population is 800, and then after 600 years, it's 2400. So extrapolate that out to 2000 years, and the population (if I did my math right) is 52,428,800.

Not sure about the gene pool, but my guess is even if they enforced a "no cousins" rule for a 100 years or so (say 4 or 5 generations), they'd be far enough removed to avoid most unpleasantries.

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- If a society starts at the baseline intellect of the crew of the Destiny, I'd have to believe space travel would happen well before 2000 years had passed. Earth discovered gravity in the mid 1600's and less than 300yrs later had men on the moon.


True, but a lot could happen to derail that.

Yeah the 2000 years and not being able to travel to space yet, was maybe caused by the little "war" they have on 2 sides (Rushes Vs. Elis?)

With the way the show treats Eli (and the other nerds), Eli would father 50 kids....but all through artificial insemination.
Have we gotten any indication of ratings recently?

With the way the show treats Eli (and the other nerds), Eli would father 50 kids....but all through artificial insemination.
Have we gotten any indication of ratings recently?

Does it even matter what the ratings are? The show is already canceled.:(

One of the best episodes of the series. It was firing on all cylinders.

I couldn't stop laughing when the one scientist said to the other about the name of his continent that it was a font. To funny.

Sure going to miss this show.

Does it even matter what the ratings are? The show is already canceled.:(
I would love to see the ratings rise. Either I can dream the silly dream (SyFy reverses itself and renews SGU) or I can at least hope it becomes a pain in their @ss that they miscalculated and pulled the plug too soon.

Have we gotten any indication of ratings recently?

I don't recall the numbers, but they were higher than the silly BEING HUMAN. Not that it would matter to the "braniacs" at SyFy.

^^Actually, BH rated higher than these second half season SGU episodes. Go to www.tvbythenumbers.com and search Monday Cable Ratings for weekly stats.

One of the best episodes of the series. It was firing on all cylinders.

Agreed

I like it a lot, and now that they've introduced the apocalyptic angle on Novus, that presents some interesting options. Is the planet habitable at all long term? Can they drop off the survivors there to start again, or do they keep them on board? moral dilemmas

should make an interesting story ark

^^Actually, BH rated higher than these second half season SGU episodes. Go to www.tvbythenumbers.com and search Monday Cable Ratings for weekly stats.

Thanks for the link. Sorry to see that BH is up over SGU...but not by too much. Wonder how long before SyFy cancels that one and replaces it with a knitting show.

This is the same as most shows do it. The difference is that in SGU the "intro" doesn't scroll the actors names along the bottom of the screen or anything, and the separation between the end of the intro and the beginning of the recap is pretty seamless, whereas most shows break it up with a "previously on...." voiceover.

It confused me the first few times as well, but they actually started doing it about half way through season 1.
Yeah, I noticed that too...I think what strikes me as odd is that they have that particular scene in there, as if the shows is screaming, "Hey! Look at me! I'm dark and brooding!" I dunno...it comes off as comical every time I see it. lol

Only LOST and BSG in recent years have survived beyond 2 seasons, and one of those hid its sci-fi roots pretty well until it was well established.
But then it took those sci-fi roots and threw them under a bus. :p

And it is sad to see that now that SGU has improved substantially since season 1, or even from earlier this season for that matter, that it can't even crack 1 million viewers. But I guess that's to be expected...can't blame anyone who already jumped off the SGU bus considering how mediocre/bad it was.

You'd think there would be enough of a spill-over in the geekosphere to attract 5-15 million viewers a week to a TV sci-fi themed show or space opera, especially if it's reasonably well done. See this show, 'Dollhouse', 'Terminator:SCC', 'Flash Forward', 'Journeyman', etc. - doesn't matter what the theme or network is, they all fail sooner or later, mostly sooner. Only LOST and BSG in recent years have survived beyond 2 seasons, and one of those hid its sci-fi roots pretty well until it was well established. It's a source of continuing befuddlement to me. :confused: :(

YOu may not count it, but I consider Fringe another one of the shows that has "survived" beyond 2 seasons ;).....Its s show with roots "heavy" in sci-fi and has survived a few slot moves along with so so ratings (in the bigger picture)......

Wow I think the last 2 episode are my favorite of the series.

Powerful stuff.

Wow I think the last 2 episode are my favorite of the series.

Powerful stuff.

Agreed! Good episode again.

I lost it when Camille became a spinster.

As always well at least wife wise they did Eli wrong. Then again Eli did fantasic in that setting.

Yeah, the ep. last night was very good. I'm starting to feel a little sad that this show is going away.

The last few episodes have been very good. It's sadly ironic that this improvement in quality appeared shortly after announcement of the show's cancellation.

Yeah, last nights episode was great again. I had a bit of a hard time believing that Camille would be the last living survivor though, she's like 30 years older than a lot of the crew.

Also, why can't they try to find the Nova ships? They know their approximate speed, and the direction they are heading, they should be able to get a pretty good guess on how far they would have made it in the amount of time since they have left. I would think it would at least be worth a try to drop back into real space and look around. Sure the Novans might have found another planet along the way, or ran into trouble, but does it really hurt to try?

Overall though I still enjoyed it a lot, and I get more annoyed each week that the show was cancelled so early before they even saw what would happen with the ratings for the last episodes, and how it did on DVD sales.

It seems like they were laying the seeds for quite a bit of future story arcs lately... I agree with the people that have said they are getting more upset recently about the cancellation. :(

Just finished watching this week's episode. Awesome stuff. Crazy that Camille was the last survivor...

So, if they find the ships will the inhabitants be like in Wall-E ;)

Yeah, it's gotten pretty good. Last episode was decent enough. Just two gripes.


They should be able to find the ships. They know where they are heading and they know when they left...or should since they know they built them and evacuated, so I can't imagine the date(s) weren't right there in the same paragraph they were reading. It shouldn't be hard to calculate a direction and an approximate speed.
I always hated the "planet is being destroyed by natural phenomenon" plots in sci-fi. I mean, the planet is around for billions of years, and Destiny just happens to show up a few hours before the apocalypse? And just a couple hours short of being able to transfer all the data? What horrible timing! :rolleyes:


Still, the latest episodes have been pretty good. Although I've enjoyed the entire series.

I actually was wondering why Rush was being such a douche about it, but I think the guy's comment about him being jealous that the survivors got along just fine without him was spot on.

Last night's episode was really pretty good drama & great way to show the crew what "could be". Camille's speech with the part about the mission & "the journey" had a neat quasi-Buddhist touch to it :)

I must say again, despite any flaws we've discussed, I've enjoyed this series so much more than any of the Stargates. Maybe I'm just a dark person ;) I'm hoping that the last 2 episodes provides a hint of closure not just cuts it off in mid-air so to speak.

I actually was wondering why Rush was being such a douche about it, but I think the guy's comment about him being jealous that the survivors got along just fine without him was spot on.

Probably right. Ego

I agree with those who especially liked this episode. Very well done. Lots of pathos, but earned. We know these people now. And what this plotline has done is show us what greatness they will accomplish, and that perhaps the desperate trials they've endured (all those musical montages! ;)) gave them the strength and foresight to persevere and create a new home for mankind far from its birthplace.

The scene with all the babies being born was a terrific piece of editing. Showing everyone hooking up but Brody - and the inference that maybe his bitterness at being "left out" of the mating game was the cause of him creating the rival splinter faction that caused such a destructive war. :eek: Ain't it always some pissant with a grudge getting too much power that screws things up for the rest of us? :p

And that's the way the episode ends. Sort of a 'Six Feet Under' kind of "epilogue" (also the title of the episode) that shows what might ultimately happen to these characters we've come to know. A clever way of teling that story. But the real crew of 'Destiny' still has some story left to tell...

Just love this show. It's going out with style, at least. But don't they all? :(

Fantastic episode. I'm starting to actually care about the characters.

Thanks SyFy. When Stargate Universe ends I can finally remove you from my channel guide. Good riddance.

Fantastic episode. I wonder if the show still would have been saved even if the writing had improved sooner? Just as Star Trek died with a whimper with 'Enterprise', I think that the franchise had lost its luster and viewers didn't tune in just because of the name.

I will join the chorus of saying this was a wonderful episode. They really carried through with the crew worst fear concept to a really good conclusion. It is a nice concept that a new "ancient" race of humans has taken root in another galaxy, and we saw the birth of that group.

Yeah, it's gotten pretty good. Last episode was decent enough. Just two gripes.


They should be able to find the ships. They know where they are heading and they know when they left...or should since they know they built them and evacuated, so I can't imagine the date(s) weren't right there in the same paragraph they were reading. It shouldn't be hard to calculate a direction and an approximate speed.
I always hated the "planet is being destroyed by natural phenomenon" plots in sci-fi. I mean, the planet is around for billions of years, and Destiny just happens to show up a few hours before the apocalypse? And just a couple hours short of being able to transfer all the data? What horrible timing! :rolleyes:


Still, the latest episodes have been pretty good. Although I've enjoyed the entire series.

I actually was wondering why Rush was being such a douche about it, but I think the guy's comment about him being jealous that the survivors got along just fine without him was spot on.

Space is a big place. It would be very hard to find several ships even if you know their trajectory. For all Destiny knew they could have found another planet they liked better and landed there.

Rush may also be upset because he finally convinced a good portion of the crew to go on his search for Destiny's mission, and now they were just presented with a very nice alternative to going home or completing Rush's dream.

Fantastic episode. I wonder if the show still would have been saved even if the writing had improved sooner? Just as Star Trek died with a whimper with 'Enterprise', I think that the franchise had lost its luster and viewers didn't tune in just because of the name.

I start thinking the same thing, but then I realize; SGU's numbers would have to increase massively for SyFy to keep it. Remember, SyFy loves scifi, unless it's a show that involves spaceships, aliens, other planets, wormholes, time travel, etc. Honestly, I think if SGU had a modest uptick in ratings that put it on the same level as Warehouse 13, Eureka, Haven, it still would have been cancelled. It's just not where SyFy wants to be.

SyFy loves scifi, unless it's a show that involves spaceships, aliens, other planets, wormholes, time travel, etc.

yup, sure looks that way :p

I start thinking the same thing, but then I realize; SGU's numbers would have to increase massively for SyFy to keep it. Remember, SyFy loves scifi, unless it's a show that involves spaceships, aliens, other planets, wormholes, time travel, etc. Honestly, I think if SGU had a modest uptick in ratings that put it on the same level as Warehouse 13, Eureka, Haven, it still would have been cancelled. It's just not where SyFy wants to be.
Syfy also gave up Scifi Friday for Syfy Wrestling... moved this & Caprica to Tuesday then wondered why the ratings tanked:rolleyes: BSG Blood & Chrome will probably air late night Sundays with this mentality... ;)

Who wants to watch it in real time? I've been time shifting my TV watching since my first VCR in 1984.

I'm really gonna miss this show. The last few episodes have built some serious momemtum and now I feel like most of them are on par with the "Time" episode from Season 1. Whereas most shows build character development progressively throughout the course of several seasons, SGU put it all in the first 1.5 seasons. For a show only in it's second season, it's amazing how much subtext is present for almost every crewmember. Just in tonights episode:

- Lt. Scott apologizing to Lt "Busty" James for the awkwardness of the marriage to Chloe
- Camille trying to find a "rainbow friendly" partner on Novus
- Volker's death by kidney failure - (Great piece of writing)
- Greer fathering a huge family even though his own father was less than ideal
- Hook-up of Lt Johansen and Col Young

I've still got some issues with the descendants of destiny. Mainly I'm not convinced their population was large enough or diverse enough to be viable for more than 4-5 generations. In addition all the dscendants should've looked sunkissed or Brazillian-ish, i.e. a homogeneous amalgum of the black, white, and asian crewmembers. The Novus castaways are way too diverse. Heck their leader looks like a Native American shaman. Is there even an Indian Destiny crewmember? :p

As for Rush, I imagine he was turned off by the realization that the others created a civilization from nothing which was far more advanced than earth's and they didn't require his help. Now that they know what they're capable of the crew may be less inclined to stay aboard Destiny should they encounter another Eden planet. Rush's despondancy also allowed him to explore and discover a far more efficient substitute to the lime they'd been using for the O2 gen system. I suspect had the series continued the stow-aways would've joined Destiny as crewmembers. Indian guy takes the Teyla role from SGA. If these last few episodes are any indication, Season 3 looks like it could've been really good.

BSG Blood & Chrome will probably air late night Sundays with this mentality... ;)

Yeah, against HBO & Starz series. And the geniuses at SyFy will wonder why it tanks :rolleyes:

The Novus castaways are way too diverse. Heck their leader looks like a Native American shaman.

I wondered the same thing. The only flaw I could see, the crew didn't have as much racial/ethnic diversity as depicted, at least from my memory :o

We do know that some of the original crew/civie personnel weren't highlighted as characters in the series, just shown in group scenes, so it's possible there was a greater mix than we think.

Even though the past 2 episodes focused on alternate version of our characters, I think they would have made for a great series finale. These 2 episodes are my favorite of the series so far. Just like Journeyman, this should is getting realy really good just before the end.

Another excellent episode. Wow.

This whole alternate story line would even of made an awesome spin off show of how they survived, created their city, etc. It was very interesting.

Another excellent episode. Wow.

This whole alternate story line would even of made an awesome spin off show of how they survived, created their city, etc. It was very interesting.

I could get on board with Stargate Sims. I also agree with the poster that said this alternate Destiny crew arc would've made a good ending for the show.

Ewww I mean really Camile?

Ming Na used to date one of my residents when I was an RA in college at USC. She was a total smokin' hottie. Granted, that was 25 years ago, but she's still fantastic looking for our age.

Ming Na used to date one of my residents when I was an RA in college at USC. She was a total smokin' hottie. Granted, that was 25 years ago, but she's still fantastic looking for our age.

I'd do'er. But only if she didn't talk.

Another great episode. It's a shame that this story took so long to unfold. If this was done in season one, we might be looking forward to a season three right now.

I'd do'er. But only if she didn't talk.

Another great episode. It's a shame that this story took so long to unfold. If this was done in season one, we might be looking forward to a season three right now.


If these two episodes were done in the first season the impact of what happened would not have landed as heavily.

You gotta remember Star Trek's Enterprise was also hampered by being on the UPN network, which had so many issues going on. Some markets didn't carry UPN or had the show on at creazy times. So, this helped aid in the demise of the show, as well as some of the writing etc.

You gotta remember Star Trek's Enterprise was also hampered by being on the UPN network

And also by the fact that it was horrible. As somebody who has seen every episode of every other Star Trek series multiple times, I found it unwatchable. I had to stop torturing myself half way through the first season. Some Trek fans couldn't evenmake it past the God awful theme song.

These past few episodes have reminded me of the second season of Dollhouse once Fox got their hands out of the cookie jar (though you can't blame Syfy for it being bad in season 1). The writing's still pretty weak for me to call it great, but these past few episodes have been "good"...especially compared to last season.

Overall though I still enjoyed it a lot, and I get more annoyed each week that the show was cancelled so early before they even saw what would happen with the ratings for the last episodes, and how it did on DVD sales.
I don't know how much DVD sales would have mattered since this is an MGM production, as opposed to an NBCU production like BSG, but season 1's DVD sales were awful. I don't know how awful exactly, but they had 3 separate releases for season 1 (Season 1.0/1.5/complete first season), and none of them cracked the top 30 in DVD sales, nor did they crack the top 20 in Blu sales. To give a comparison with DVD sales, other shows with similar ratings like It's Always Sunny and Spartacus cracked the top 10 and top 5, respectively.

How about an (off-world) Aliens Wrestling League show. That would draw huge numbers.

I don't get it, I like this show WAY better than SG-A, and I am really miffed it is ending so soon. These last couple of shows have been as good as SG has ever been.

How about an (off-world) Aliens Wrestling League show. That would draw huge numbers.

How about a group of guys that go hunting for wrestling ghost chefs, and find them in the Cafe Diem.

I wondered the same thing. The only flaw I could see, the crew didn't have as much racial/ethnic diversity as depicted, at least from my memory :o

We do know that some of the original crew/civie personnel weren't highlighted as characters in the series, just shown in group scenes, so it's possible there was a greater mix than we think.

The crew is actually quite diverse, at least genetically speaking. They also would have had a handful of people from the Lucian Alliance, which would add a nice amount of genetic diversity to the pool.

The crew is actually quite diverse, at least genetically speaking. They also would have had a handful of people from the Lucian Alliance, which would add a nice amount of genetic diversity to the pool.

....and every new society needs a dark side.;)

Maybe we could have a wesling/cooking show from Nova that hunts down ghosts who are addicted to crack.

....and every new society needs a dark side.;)

Maybe we could have a wesling/cooking show from Nova that hunts down ghosts who are addicted to crack.

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It's also possible sometime during the 2000 years they ran into some other people either on the same planet or by traveling through the stargate and thus were not limited to just the original survivor's gene pool.

Or in the world of scifi, a wormhole opened and a bunch of Mayans or Easter Island natives fell out. They had to go somewhere, right?

Mmm Camille didn't seem to have any descendants.. was her age or sexual preference? I know women like her that have children, and if you in a "populate this planet ASAP" situation she should have considered it..

Mmm Camille didn't seem to have any descendants.. was her age or sexual preference? I know women like her that have children, and if you in a "populate this planet ASAP" situation she should have considered it..

Why do you think they were in a "populate this planet ASAP" situation? Sounds/looks to me like they just let things occur naturally.

Why would the planet need populating?

Mmm Camille didn't seem to have any descendants.. was her age or sexual preference? I know women like her that have children, and if you in a "populate this planet ASAP" situation she should have considered it..

She was past the point of easily getting pregnant. Women in their 40's have a far more difficult time managing it, especially without the aid of advanced medical science. That and, of course, she wouldn't be inclined in that direction. Besides, her contribution to their future took on a far more important role as she wrote their constitution.

Well I'm looking forward to tonights show! Wild, first time I've ever thought that about this series, just as it is about to end.

Noticed today SG Universe season 2 (complete final season) will be released May31st on DVD (dodn't remember anyone else mentioning it here yet). I'm pretty ticked that they don't seem to be coming out with a Blu-Ray set though, I probably will try to hold out for a while to see if it comes out later.

Noticed today SG Universe season 2 (complete final season) will be released May31st on DVD (dodn't remember anyone else mentioning it here yet). I'm pretty ticked that they don't seem to be coming out with a Blu-Ray set though, I probably will try to hold out for a while to see if it comes out later.

Coming out in the UK but region locked I believe...

Not a bad episode last night but nothing great IMO. They pulled a Star Trek in the first minute of the show; one line of dialogue to explain away the people of Novis(sp?). Bad cop-out IMO and at the time when they wrote it, they didn't know they were getting canceled so, that's kind of pathetic.

Also, if the drones where just skipping to the next star that Destiny would stop at, why not turn around and go back to one you have already past?

I know it's not the shows fault, because they didn't know the fate of the show at the time but, I think it is a shame that so many of these final episode are about the drones. If there was a 3rd season coming I wouldn't care but, with the end upon us I was just hoping to see a few more different things about the universe they are in.

I kind of liked the fact that they stuck more humor into the last few episodes - brings back the sarcastic tone that I loved about SG1.

I almost don't want to see the final episode - I know it is going to end in a cliffhanger where they are about to be destroyed (that's how the seasons on these shows always seem to end) and there will never be a resolution! We can assume some miracle will be pulled out if Eli's butt since he s apparently a bigger super genius than they thought - but it might just be too frustrating to watch and never know what happens.

it looks like they were using the drones as their nemisis. Like SG1 and SGA also had theirs.

it probably would have been a great third season too.:(

And what's even worse is no movie to tie things up.:mad:

Yeah, I'm really afraid that the finale is going to end up with one huge cliffhanger that's going to piss me off.

Maybe they can at least release the scripts for the cancelled movies or to finish off Universe.

Anyone else get a laugh when the hot marine was telling that there were no injuries except for the guy whose nose she broke? lol

one line of dialogue to explain away the people of Novis(sp?).

I missed that line. What was it? I was wondering where they all went...

Ok episode, but seemed like a filler ep (or maybe just because I know we're nearing the end). Didn't really progress anything at all.

I too am prepared for the inevitable cliffhanger. Really wish they'd at least do it justice and fund one more episode to try to wrap things up...at least a little.

I picture the series ending with them dropping out of FTL into a mess of about 5 - 10 drone mother ships.

I really enjoyed the episode. I thought the scene where the scientist was stuck in the observation room was great. The visual watching her dangle precariously while surrounded by flame was stunning. Plus, the moment she told Eli she could not see I was really touched. Of course they seemed to ruin by Rush giving a throwaway line that she would be OK. I do know about anyone else, but every time I see Destiny drop into a sun to refuel it looks awesome.

Not a bad episode last night but nothing great IMO. They pulled a Star Trek in the first minute of the show; one line of dialogue to explain away the people of Novis(sp?). Bad cop-out IMO and at the time when they wrote it, they didn't know they were getting canceled so, that's kind of pathetic.

Also, if the drones where just skipping to the next star that Destiny would stop at, why not turn around and go back to one you have already past?




I would not call it a cop-out since they told us last episode they were going to drop them off. There was no real reason for us to see them get dropped off. There is more than one drone ship hunting for them. If they had gone back they would have just ran into the drone assigned to that star.

Wow that was a good episode. What a shame, the show has gotten a LOT better. Figures, just in time for the cancellation.

Another decent episode. This show seems destined to end in a cliffhanger with the drones. Any chance the drones were built buy "God" i.e. the creator of the signal at the center of the universe? Just a guess...

It'll be interesting to see what a fully charged destiny can do against a drone flotilla.

Man just when we thought they got away from the drones, thousands more appear out of nowhere blocking their path..

Strange not seeing any skeletons on the attacked city, I'm guessing the drones just vaporized everyone?

Yeah no gun shops but how about clothes? lol

This show seems destined to end in a cliffhanger

You mean like what SciFi did to Farscape? :p
That was a real cliffhanger

The charging in the Blue Star was more awesome. Will miss the show...especially Destiny...such a a wonderfull & beautifull ship

It is a shame that they cancelled this show. The second season is something that I looked forward to watching. They finally found their legs just in time for the end. What I don't understand is why the first season was such shite.

It is a shame that they cancelled this show. The second season is something that I looked forward to watching. They finally found their legs just in time for the end. What I don't understand is why the first season was such shite.

Sometimes shows take time. IMO...the 1st season was not so bad...2nd have been very good

Sometimes shows take time. IMO...the 1st season was not so bad...2nd have been very good

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I actually liked the 1st season, bought it on BD. Hope we get the 2nd on BD soon.

Sure, season 1 wasn't anything at all like SG1 and SG-A, and to me, that was good! I really didn't like SG1. While SG-A was better, I thought SG-U was by far the best of the 3.

I find nothing wrong with the 1st season episodes. Sure, they were dark, survival-oriented plots, with factious dissent, ego issues, but that's what it would have been really like to be stranded on a ship, with limited control over its destination, trying to figure out the ship, how to survive, with no known way to get back to earth.

We said we wanted realistic SF with our enthusiastic support of BSG, so the writers gave us 2 more shows with realism & then we bitched about it :rolleyes:

Caprica was flawed, and it deserved better direction & writing, but it had great potential, just poorly executed. SG-U's whole premise from the start was dark, so why should we have expected it to be bantor-filled, light-hearted fare like SG1?

While we say we want more adult-themed SF, our viewing habits tell a different story. So when SyFy cancels shows like Caprica & SG-U and gives us forgettable supernatural-fantasy-reality fare, we're partially to blame.

I wonder if BSG would make it to 4 seasons now. People probably would bitch about it being too depressing, no kidding around, characters being killed off, characters that don't like each other.... :rolleyes:

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We said we wanted realistic SF with our enthusiastic support of BSG, so the writers gave us 2 more shows with realism & then we bitched about it :rolleyes:

Caprica was flawed, and it deserved better direction & writing, but it had great potential, just poorly executed. SG-U's whole premise from the start was dark, so why should we have expected it to be bantor-filled, light-hearted fare like SG1?

While we say we want more adult-themed SF, our viewing habits tell a different story. So when SyFy cancels shows like Caprica & SG-U and gives us forgettable supernatural-fantasy-reality fare, we're partially to blame.

I wonder if BSG would make it to 4 seasons now. People probably would bitch about it being too depressing, no kidding around, characters being killed off, characters that don't like each other.... :rolleyes:

The problem with SGU wasn't that it was dark. I love depressing. I loved BSG. I love Southland and Breaking Bad. The problem with SGU was that it was trying to be dark/adult, but it was horribly written as an adult drama (And had some odd crutches, like the montages). It still isn't exactly well-written (predictable stories, rough dialogue etc), but since they started mixing in comedy with the drama and they now seem to take themselves less seriously, I tend too as well, so I tend to overlook the weak writing.

The SG writers simply aren't capable of making serious adult fare, and that's fine. They needed to stick to what they do well, and that's a sort of mindless, light-hearted show that can sometimes take on more serious situations though not really delve into them too deeply. While SG-1 and SGA were pure camp, and the first season of SGU found them overreaching with an adult drama, this second-half of season two has found SGU in a sort of middle-ground, and it's working. It's just too bad it took them this long to fine tune the show.

Good ending! Much better than I envisioned, really thought it was going to be some sort of "the ship is about to explode", type ending. Hard to believe, but I'm sorry to see the show go, should have had one more season.

Good ending! Much better than I envisioned, really thought it was going to be some sort of "the ship is about to explode", type ending. Hard to believe, but I'm sorry to see the show go, should have had one more season.

Agreed! Fantastic ending! Honestly leaves an opportunity to pick things up at any time... *crosses fingers hoping for a movie*

I hate SyFy, they have lost me as a viewer. I just canceled the 2 shows I had season passes for on my DVR from them, Eureka and Warehouse 13. I enjoy both of those show but I refuse to support this channel anymore, SGU did not deserve to get canned. I don't see how shows like Being Human (stupid show) and Sanctuary could have much better ratings.

Yes, I'm bitter. SGU has come along ways and made massive improvements from when it first premiered. It became one of the few shows I can't wait to watch each week. This final episode was really good but, sucks at the same time. It sucks because I want to know what happens next, yet I know I never will. This is Journeyman all over again.

Sorry SyFy, but I will never watch your channel again, I don't care if there is a show that looks great. I'm a huge BSG fan but I'm going to skip the upcoming show or just download it so you don't get the credit. You'll probably just cancel it anyway. Why would I waste my time on your channel if you don't have the balls to stick with a show through some tough times. If my wife didn't watch your stupid ghost hunting shows, I'd remove you from my guide. So long SyFy.

Oh, SyFy, thanks for screwing SGU fans twice... First by canceling the show and second by skipping a Blu-ray release for this season. I'm making a not so nice hand gesture at you right now.

I hate SyFy, they have lost me as a viewer. I just canceled the 2 shows I had season passes for on my DVR from them, Eureka and Warehouse 13. I enjoy both of those show but I refuse to support this channel anymore

so you have a nielsen box?

Well I hope the writers at some point let us know what happened next. Either eli died or here is my theory about how eli survived he set the gate to make an event horizon without dialing another stargate and get saved into the stargates buffer when the ship gets to the next galaxy the gate automaticly activates creates an event horizon and out pops eli save and sound after half an episode filled with wheres eli? and flashbacks. We kind of know that can be done because in one episode of sg-1 teal'c was stuck in a stargate for most of an episode.

Well I hope the writers at some point let us know what happened next. Either eli died or here is my theory about how eli survived he set the gate to make an event horizon without dialing another stargate and get saved into the stargates buffer when the ship gets to the next galaxy the gate automaticly activates creates an event horizon and out pops eli save and sound after half an episode filled with wheres eli? and flashbacks. We kind of know that can be done because in one episode of sg-1 teal'c was stuck in a stargate for most of an episode.

Or maybe he uploads himself into the computer...

Yeah I really hope they release the scripts or SOMETHING!

so you have a nielsen box?
So, what you are saying is that SGU could have millions and millions of more viewers but, because they don't have Nielsen boxes, the show gets canceled. Or... Every viewer in the country could stop watching Eureka except the few that have Nielsen boxes, and the show would survive. They really need to come up with a better way to rate shows.

Look, I can stop watching the shows if I want too. Less eyes on the show is less eyes on the show, and that ain't good for SyFy, wether we have nielsen boxes or not.

I think I've earned the right to be bitter right now. SGU ended up being a great show IMO. I would put this season of SGU up against the best of SG-1 and Atlantis and, I think it would hold its own pretty good.

So, what you are saying is that SGU could have millions and millions of more viewers but, because they don't have Nielsen boxes, the show gets canceled. Or... Every viewer in the country could stop watching Eureka except the few that have Nielsen boxes, and the show would survive. They really need to come up with a better way to rate shows.



The Neilsen rating have always been B.S. To have maybe 5,000 people decide what the other 340 million people can watch has alwats been suspect. And with all the different platforms to see a show these days (time-shifting DVRs, OnDemand, streaming, etc) they are irrelevant. They exist simply as a reason for Networks to justify whatever they charge advertisers.

As for SyFy, I stopped watching the channel some time ago, and only tuned in for some episodes of SGU. I have no interest in their upcoming Galactica series either. I liked the series (and CAPRICA to a lesser extent) but I'm done with it and don't need to follow yet another spin-off.

So, what you are saying is that SGU could have millions and millions of more viewers but, because they don't have Nielsen boxes, the show gets canceled. Or... Every viewer in the country could stop watching Eureka except the few that have Nielsen boxes, and the show would survive. They really need to come up with a better way to rate shows.

Look, I can stop watching the shows if I want too. Less eyes on the show is less eyes on the show, and that ain't good for SyFy, wether we have nielsen boxes or not.

I think I've earned the right to be bitter right now. SGU ended up being a great show IMO. I would put this season of SGU up against the best of SG-1 and Atlantis and, I think it would hold its own pretty good.

my point was the following:

if you like a show, watch it - if you dont, then dont...

"boycotting" a network when they made a decision you didn't like on one show doesn't really do much..... especially when you don't have a nielsen box.... (and yes, the system that measures viewership for ad revenue and therefore decides which shows stay on the air is severely flawed and really sucks)

unless you plan on starting a boycott movement.... in which case i wish you good luck....

The Neilsen rating have always been B.S. To have maybe 5,000 people decide what the other 340 million people can watch has alwats been suspect. And with all the different platforms to see a show these days (time-shifting DVRs, OnDemand, streaming, etc) they are irrelevant. They exist simply as a reason for Networks to justify whatever they charge advertisers.



Suspect why? Because you don't believe in scientific sampling? An accurate sample can easily predict what a huge number of people will do/watch.

Some people here really need to get over it. This was not a popular show and that's the extent of it. It was a failed premise. The producers took what was a light to semi serious franchise and tried to darken it and make it more adult - or more precisely what they considered "adult". It was a failed experiment and possibly killed the franchise for good. You can stamp your feet all you want and swear you will not tune into SyFy again, that is all well and good for you, but means less than nothing to the channel, the minute handful of SGU viewers mean very little in the scheme of things.

I guess the origin of the drones was a red herring. Still sad to see to this series go.

Suspect why? Because you don't believe in scientific sampling? An accurate sample can easily predict what a huge number of people will do/watch.

Don't mean to start a whole thing on this ("too late") - but the problem isn't the legitimacy of sampling - it's Nielsen's method itself that is seriously flawed.

Although no one it seems questions Nielsens numbers on the most popular shows though.

If SGU could have pulled 1.6-1.9 million viewers it probaly would have been renewed but it fell below the one million mark and that is tough even for a cable channel.

MGM bowed out of doing a straight to DVD release to wrap it up and any development on a new SG series as well so you might as well boycott MGM.

....and boycott your friends who did not watch SGU.

I am sad as most that there is now no good ole space based SF on the air.

What to say...ELI NOOOO!

Finally Eli starts to stand up for himself and it ends :(

Sad to see it go (unlike others, I've enjoyed it since the first episode, montages and all).

However, given the circumstances, the cliffhanger could have been much worse than it was. Who knows...maybe it'll pull a Farscape or Firefly and find a new fanbase on DVD/BD and get a follow-up sometime.

Did anyone else expect Young to cold-clock Eli and shove him in the cryogenic freezer thing?

I too am one of the viewers who liked the series right form the beginning; nothing I can do will ever bring the show back so thats a little hurtful.

I'm very happy with the way they ended the show, it was a perfect cliff hanger because they didn't cop out at all! They could have easily ended the show with a complete reveal of the mission or having them on the brink of destruction or worse yet..the ship and everyone on it could have been destroyed.

The fact that they are asleep and in 3 years they might wake back up or that it could be thousands and thousands of years before they wake ..incredible. They left the series with a pretty good spot if anything ever happens to bring it back (not going to happen but one can hope).

All in all this series has been phenomenal and all the bitching and complaining about too much "back story" or "drama" from previous seasons made the biggest pay off this season as saw these characters grow and learned how their past dictated their future.

I'll miss you SGU, I hope the cast and crew finds new work (Eli no more subway commercials please)

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:(

I hate SyFy, they have lost me as a viewer. I just canceled the 2 shows I had season passes for on my DVR from them, Eureka and Warehouse 13. I enjoy both of those show but I refuse to support this channel anymore, SGU did not deserve to get canned. I don't see how shows like Being Human (stupid show) and Sanctuary could have much better ratings.

Yes, I'm bitter. SGU has come along ways and made massive improvements from when it first premiered. It became one of the few shows I can't wait to watch each week. This final episode was really good but, sucks at the same time. It sucks because I want to know what happens next, yet I know I never will. This is Journeyman all over again.

Sorry SyFy, but I will never watch your channel again, I don't care if there is a show that looks great. I'm a huge BSG fan but I'm going to skip the upcoming show or just download it so you don't get the credit. You'll probably just cancel it anyway. Why would I waste my time on your channel if you don't have the balls to stick with a show through some tough times. If my wife didn't watch your stupid ghost hunting shows, I'd remove you from my guide. So long SyFy.

Oh, SyFy, thanks for screwing SGU fans twice... First by canceling the show and second by skipping a Blu-ray release for this season. I'm making a not so nice hand gesture at you right now.

I totally agree about SyFy. They are so far from their beginnings that it is very hard to justify supporting this channel.

Now it seems that Monday will be the only day I watch this channel.

Not a happy fan ....

Well really couldn't have asked for a better conclusion given the shows cancellation. Obviously the writers knew there was very low probability of renewal. Any future SG series could pick up with Destiny's legacy as a backdrop. I really would have liked to known a few of the mysteries including the big one the 'design' signal in the fabric of the universe (sorta analogous to the cosmic microwave background radiation solidifying a hot big bang origins model/creation event of our universe.) On a secondary level the full purposes of Destiny, the origins of the drones and resolution of the stored computer personas would have been nice.
I always felt Eli was the character that was resonated best with the audience. He was the 'everyman' (though he was a genius) being thrust into new and exciting adventures. He personified the scifi dream. The last minute of him standing on the bridge (may have been shot/CG scenes created after cancellation was assured) and the destiny riding off 'into the sunset' was just awesome (but sad.)
That said too bad syfy screwed up most of the first season and lost many of the SG diehards. They tried to be different and duplicate Galactica while forgetting core values of the SG universe (and audience.) 2nd season they were back on track with the second-half being just as good as any SG1/SGA episode arc. Real shame they couldn't have waited to see if the orginal SG fans and a new following would come to the show. What also is disappointing is I can't think of any science fiction series on current television with space as a backdrop (a few concern new planets/aliens like Falling Skies, Outcasts bbc and Terra Nova.) The hot thing is fantasy/supernatural (and that's fine) but that creatively rich environment of space exploration will be untapped on the small screen for the foreseeable future.

Great episode...don't think I'll be tuning into SyFy for awhile...

A decent conclusion to a decent SF show. In reality, anytime from next year to 3 years from now, they could "wake up" in the next galaxy, keep some of the present actors (the stasis survivors) and add new characters later via an alien encounter, etc.

Better than an abrupt cliffhanger. I hope that somebody notes that we the fans appreciate some thought into a gracefull conclusion.

I really liked the ending. Much better & classy. This season has some very strong episodes. Crossing my finger that somehow magically this series gets a lifeline

The hot thing is fantasy/supernatural (and that's fine) but that creatively rich environment of space exploration will be untapped on the small screen for the foreseeable future.

Well, although I won't be seeing it (SyFy Channel is a waste), they will be dredging the bottom of the well for another BSG show (Called Blood and Chocolate, or some such thing) which will be space-based. But spin-offs bore me so I won't be tuning in. (And no, I was not a SG-1 or especially a SGA viewer. Tried 'em...felt they were lame. Enjoyed SGU much more...but than, we see where that got us.)

I personally have a hard time blaming Syfy for the lack of interest in Sci-fi shows. Even BSG, which had huge critical acclaim and coverage never managed to build a respectable viewership and was always barely clinging to life. I remember waiting with baited breath to see if it was going to be renewed. Farscape too. Babylon 5 too. Firefly too. All great shows that struggled to find an audience.

Not really their fault nobody was watching SGU. Even though I liked it, most people who even gave it a shot did not and abandoned it. Syfy's gotta go where the viewership goes, and apparently it goes to shows about ghost hunters claiming to hear or see things or feel things rub up against them. People suck.

Why didn't they pair up in one of the chambers? What's the difference if there's one 300 lb human or two 150 lbs humans?

Eli's not so smart after all..

Why didn't they pair up in one of the chambers? What's the difference if there's one 300 lb human or two 150 lbs humans?

Eli's not so smart after all..

Obviously you don't understand how fictional ancient alien hyper-cryogenic freezers work. It would obviously malfunction since it would think two slowed heart rates and two sets of vital signs = "!!! ERROR IN CONTAINMENT TUBE #16 !!!" and flush them out into space.

That assumption is based off of paragraph #3 on page 687 of the imaginary 1700 page instruction manual I just read. It also mentions that putting more than one person in a tube violates the warranty.

I personally have a hard time blaming Syfy for the lack of interest in Sci-fi shows. Even BSG, which had huge critical acclaim and coverage never managed to build a respectable viewership and was always barely clinging to life. I remember waiting with baited breath to see if it was going to be renewed. Farscape too. Babylon 5 too. Firefly too. All great shows that struggled to find an audience.

Actually, FARSCAPE had pretty good numbers for basic cable, usually around 2 million viewers...sometimes under that and sometimes over. (And...that was back when the SciFi channel was not carried by as many providers as it is today. Given that, its ratings might be considered higher than it's current ratings king. Yet it was cancelled. Meanwhile, with SyFy now having nationwide coverage and many more viewers than before, WAREHOUSE 13, also averaging a few points over 2 million (2.1, 2.3) is considered a "ratings powerhouse."

The TV landscape has changed alot during the last ten years.

I'm not sure if they got a chance to make any small changes to the ending after finding out that they were canceled, but it worked out pretty well. Especially nice was that they got to do a shot of the ship shutting down, everyone saying goodbye, etc like you typically see at the end of a series. This mixed with the "descendants" arc really gave us some kind of closure even though the full story was never really resolved or moved all that far forward.

I'll definitely miss this show. I also liked it from the beginning and the second half of this season was really entertaining. I looked forward to it every week.

Btw, since I've got you all here, does Farscape ultimately have an ending that wraps everything up? Now that there's no more space shows left, I was thinking of going back and picking up some of the ones I missed and that's surprisingly one of them. I hear people here saying it ended on a cliffhanger, but weren't there some movies or something to finish it up?

Obviously you don't understand how fictional ancient alien hyper-cryogenic freezers work. It would obviously malfunction since it would think two slowed heart rates and two sets of vital signs = "!!! ERROR IN CONTAINMENT TUBE #16 !!!" and flush them out into space.

That assumption is based off of paragraph #3 on page 687 of the imaginary 1700 page instruction manual I just read. It also mentions that putting more than one person in a tube violates the warranty.
Or worse, it does what the movie Supernova (with James Spader-hey Stargate crossover, and Angela Bassett) did, and merge their dna giving each a different eye color....and making Bassett's character pregnant by Spader....


Btw, since I've got you all here, does Farscape ultimately have an ending that wraps everything up? Now that there's no more space shows left, I was thinking of going back and picking up some of the ones I missed and that's surprisingly one of them. I hear people here saying it ended on a cliffhanger, but weren't there some movies or something to finish it up?
There was the follow up movie Farscape The Peacekeeper Wars, which resolved the cliffhanger in the series' final episode.

There was the follow up movie Farscape The Peacekeeper Wars, which resolved the cliffhanger in the series' final episode.

Actually was a 2-part mini-series, that was created as a result of a major fan outcry. How major? Fans actually PAID to have notification of FARSCAPE'S cancellation actually printed across the screen at the end of that last episode! (In effect, telling viewers that the "To Be Continued..." tag was false and to band together.) I have never seen that happen before or since! But that might not work for SGU, since MGM is having serious financial problems.

I have to wait to the weekend to see the episode.
Sounds like I won't be disappointed :)


All this talk about Farscape reminds me of Lexx ;) That was an out-there show & I only managed to catch an episode here & there....SciFi had moved it to the late night time zone due to "adult content" ;) :D

I remember one ep where Zev sat on the robot head in a shall-we-say revealing pose and the robot head was trying to get his licks in :eek: :D

The show cracked me up but it definitely wasn't for kids!
The good old days when Imagine Greater meant something :p

I personally have a hard time blaming Syfy for the lack of interest in Sci-fi shows. Even BSG, which had huge critical acclaim and coverage never managed to build a respectable viewership and was always barely clinging to life. I remember waiting with baited breath to see if it was going to be renewed. Farscape too. Babylon 5 too. Firefly too. All great shows that struggled to find an audience.

Not really their fault nobody was watching SGU. Even though I liked it, most people who even gave it a shot did not and abandoned it. Syfy's gotta go where the viewership goes, and apparently it goes to shows about ghost hunters claiming to hear or see things or feel things rub up against them. People suck.
I entirely blame Syfy... they moved it to Tuesdays and with the short split seasons with vast amounts of time in between there is no wonder it and Caprica couldn't find more fans...

While I didn't like the show as much as the earlier SG shows, I'm sorry to see it go only because it is the last hard sci-fi show on US TV. The last few episodes were decent enough.

The only other new hard sci-fi show I can think of is FOX's Terra Nova coming next Fall.

The only other new hard sci-fi show I can think of is FOX's Terra Nova coming next Fall.
J.J. Abrams apparently has a new show coming on Fox called "Alcatraz", which at least one source described as time travel science fiction. If so, I'm interested.

I think I swore off this show last season, but like a moth to a flame, I came back with season 2 (or is it really season 1.5?). The show definitely started to get in its grove and this season was much better. Now I too am sorry to see it end.

In hindsight, I really disliked the first season of Star Trek: TNG, especially the first episode. I was unsure it would last. I reckon I was proven wrong on that one. It took the writes and actors some time to get the characters honed, but once they did, it turned out to be a fantastic show and one of my all-time favorites. One change that was for the better was the way they treated Counselor Troi's empathy. In the early shows she would act out the emotions she sensed - way too dramatic for me. They tuned that down quite a bit which made it better.

I have a feeling that SGU would have gotten even better than these last episodes if it had more time. I definitely have different thoughts about this show than I did last year. I'm glad I stuck with it.

Oh, SyFy, thanks for screwing SGU fans twice... First by canceling the show and second by skipping a Blu-ray release for this season. I'm making a not so nice hand gesture at you right now.

Is it confirmed that they have no intention of doing a Blu-ray S2 at all or just releasing DVD's first, followed by BD later in the year?

Oh, SyFy, thanks for screwing SGU fans twice... First by canceling the show and second by skipping a Blu-ray release for this season.
MGM owns the show and is responsible for home video releases-through Fox Home Entertainment, which contracted with MGM to distribute MGM product on disc.
So Skiffy is blameless for the absence of a Blu Ray release.

I understand it's a business and SyFy would consider a wrap up episode (or two) to be throwing good money away, but it would be great if every network made a pact with it's viewers: all cancelled series get at least a single wrap up episode, possibly one hour for every season the show was on. Just a courtesy thing, a thank you to the viewers. It would great to know every show get's a shot at a dignified ending.

I personally have a hard time blaming Syfy for the lack of interest in Sci-fi shows. Even BSG, which had huge critical acclaim and coverage never managed to build a respectable viewership and was always barely clinging to life. I remember waiting with baited breath to see if it was going to be renewed. Farscape too. Babylon 5 too. Firefly too. All great shows that struggled to find an audience.

Not really their fault nobody was watching SGU. Even though I liked it, most people who even gave it a shot did not and abandoned it. Syfy's gotta go where the viewership goes, and apparently it goes to shows about ghost hunters claiming to hear or see things or feel things rub up against them. People suck.
I think there was more interest in this show then Nielsen gives it credit for, I just don't trust the rating system. Look at this thread, it is longer than the Glee thread, there was a decent amount of interest in this show. It's weird that for a show, BSG, that failed to build a respectable viewership; all but a few of my friends watched it. There is no way IMO, that sending out a few thousand Nielsen boxes gets a truly accurate picture of what people in this country are watching. Shoot, some of those people with boxes may not even get SyFy, so how is that even fair.

Oh well, it is what it is. I ended up loving this show and I hate to see it go, at least we got 2 seasons out of it. It is going to be weird not having any Stargate on TV, it's the same weird feeling when Star Trek left the small screen (speaking of which, I think it is time for Star Trek to return to TV).

This was a very solid way to end the series. I do wonder how long the drones would have waited to see if Destiny showed up again. I have enjoyed my time with SGU and I am sorry to see it go.

I personally have a hard time blaming Syfy for the lack of interest in Sci-fi shows. Even BSG, which had huge critical acclaim and coverage never managed to build a respectable viewership and was always barely clinging to life. I remember waiting with baited breath to see if it was going to be renewed. Farscape too. Babylon 5 too. Firefly too. All great shows that struggled to find an audience.

Not really their fault nobody was watching SGU. Even though I liked it, most people who even gave it a shot did not and abandoned it. Syfy's gotta go where the viewership goes, and apparently it goes to shows about ghost hunters claiming to hear or see things or feel things rub up against them. People suck.


You bring up good points. SyFy was one of the few cable channels to have multiple nights of original non-scripted programming. It is an expensive investment, and the audience did not follow. SyFy is a business and they have to at some point make money.

I really enjoyed this show, precisely because it adopted a different, more "adult" approach and tone than the other Stargate series. Sad that it ended so soon, while the others all got longer terms to recycle the same, tired storylines with their dashes of USA Network quips. It left a lot of questions behind in its mad rush to leave the airwaves. Some of them off the top of my head:

What exactly happened with the "alternate" characters who set up alternate lives on that other planet? Did they ever really exist? How vast was the drone armada and would it represent such a threat to other spacefaring species that their galaxy would be forever barren? What exactly was the "ultimate mission" of the Destiny? What happened to the ancients that built it and why build only one if it's so dang important? How did they get both shuttles up and working again when one had clearly been crashed (the one where Col. Young killed the injured crewman)? And so on...

The premise was ripe with thematical possibilities that will never be explored. All because more "fans" of the network would rather watch ghost-hunting, wrestling and sci-fi lite. Too bad.

Anyway, I enjoyed the show and glad we got two seasons of fine entertainment out of it. Unfortunately, the demise of it and 'Caprica' means there will be virtually no incentive to attempt an expensive, ambitious space opera again. I expect BSG: Blood & Chrome (hopefully, they'll change the title) will have twice the explosions and half the interesting social commentary of its much-lauded predecessors. If anything "sells", that's it I guess. Oh well, there's always the BBC I suppose, as BBC-A has become the only place hosting the kind of adult science fiction I prefer.

RIP SG:U. :(

Really good article on Gateworld. Its an interview with Brad Wright, show creator. His plans, one he learned the show was cancelled, was to wrap up everything in a movie and tie is all together with the other series, but MGM passed. He refuses to say what he was planning on doing in the other seasons if renewed, because he said what was filmed stands as is and he is happy.

It left a lot of questions behind in its mad rush to leave the airwaves. Some of them off the top of my head:

What exactly happened with the "alternate" characters who set up alternate lives on that other planet? Did they ever really exist? How vast was the drone armada and would it represent such a threat to other spacefaring species that their galaxy would be forever barren? What exactly was the "ultimate mission" of the Destiny? What happened to the ancients that built it and why build only one if it's so dang important? How did they get both shuttles up and working again when one had clearly been crashed (the one where Col. Young killed the injured crewman)? And so on...

I would imagine that even if the show had kept going, they were done with the drone and "alternate crew" stories. They were sufficiently wrapped.

The major outlying question, of course, was the mission of Destiny, which was the overall major arc to the show. Had they kept going they likely would have had other subplots pop up (probably one involving the blue aliens again and one involving the uber aliens that brought the planet people back to life temporarily) for them to work through while slowly chipping away at the big "Destiny's Mission" arc.

The only other question is how/if they'd have gotten home, though I'm guessing they would have gotten them home in some rather unspectacular, overly scientific way that popped up out of nowhere. Never finding out the answers to Destiny's missions is the only unanswered question that I really regret not knowing the answer to.

As for the shuttle thing, remember that they got the extra shuttle in the episode where the planet people came back to the ship and died off all over again.

I liked the finale. Eli smiling at the end while staring into hyperspace put a nice touch to how he developed as a character. Either way it goes, he fixes the tube or he has to commit suicide, he's happy that he's had the experiences and met the people that he did. And he has the satisfaction that some of his ideas helped saved the ship & the crew.

I'll miss the show not being on next week :(

The descendants story sure was dropped like a hot potato! I thought I watched the full episode after the planet was destroyed, but I must have missed the 10 second bit where they dropped them off on the new planet. My wife had to tell me.

Was this done because they knew the show had been cancelled?

As for TJ, once they get past the drone galaxy, they should keep her in stasis and only thaw her out in case of medical emergencies to delay her ALS and maybe figure out a cure in the meantime. :) I'll miss the show. It was really getting better.

The As for TJ, once they get past the drone galaxy, they should keep her in stasis and only thaw her out in case of medical emergencies

"Please state the nature of the medical emergency"

The descendants story sure was dropped like a hot potato! I thought I watched the full episode after the planet was destroyed, but I must have missed the 10 second bit where they dropped them off on the new planet. My wife had to tell me.

Was this done because they knew the show had been cancelled?

As for TJ, once they get past the drone galaxy, they should keep her in stasis and only thaw her out in case of medical emergencies to delay her ALS and maybe figure out a cure in the meantime. :) I'll miss the show. It was really getting better.

They had filmed everything before they were canceled.

"Please state the nature of the medical emergency"

good one :D

I'm going to miss SGU too. Like many scifi shows it took time to find its sea legs but once it did, it gets cancelled. :( For me this is the second time this has happened. The first was when Defying Gravity on ABC was cancelled mid-season a couple of years ago (and only half way through all the episodes in the can). Though DG admittedly started off like Grey's Anatomy in space, it morphed in to a fun mystery with realistic activity in space and on the ground. For all the good it did, :rolleyes: I joined a petition to at least run the remaining DG episodes. I haven't watched any programming on ABC since.

To the credit of SyFy and their writers, at least they ended SGU with a plausible, satisfying solution that allows for resurrection if so desired in the future.

Shows have been canceled just like SGU and Defying gravity for decades. It sucks when it happens but it is nothing new. I can't even count the number of shows I've watched over the last 40 years that have been canceled midway through a season or after a season ending cliffhanger.
It sucks everytime it happens, but there is always another show that comes along later that piques my interest that is not canceled.

I do the same thing now with multiple TiVos. You need multiple tuners to record the shows you want to watch especially when there are several on at one time.

Shows have been canceled just like SGU and Defying gravity for decades. It sucks when it happens but it is nothing new. I can't even count the number of shows I've watched over the last 40 years that have been canceled midway through a season or after a season ending cliffhanger.

It sucks everytime it happens, but there is always another show that comes along later that piques my interest that is not canceled.

More than anything, it sucks that this has become the acceptable norm. At this point, I would wager that only about 20% of the serialized shows that I've watched have actually had a real ending.

Can you imagine if every time you went to the movie theater there was an 80% chance that the movie would cut off half way through and you wouldn't be allowed to see the rest? That's seems totally implausible, but that's basically what we've come to expect out of TV shows. Only instead of devoting an hour to getting left hanging, we're devoting dozens of hours of years of time just to be left out in the cold, all along knowing that that is probably going to be the endgame.

I don't know what the solution is, nor do I really think there is one. One avenue, with services like netflix and hulu, is to just hold off on new shows until they're either wrapped with an ending or at least are 3-4 seasons in and look like they'll get that chance. Of course, all that does is lower the ratings of serialized shows even more and lead to more reality shows getting the green light.

Ultimately, I think that the only possible chance might be a major pricehike to those streaming services. I would imagine that serialized shows make up a much larger percentage of the TV viewership of those kinds of services than they do actual TV, since viewers have the ability to watch one episode right after another. If the networks were getting as good a kickback from those services as they were regular television it would make these kind of shows worth their while. I know I would be willing to pay a lot more for netflix/hulu if it meant more good, serialized shows getting a chance to finish out their stories.

More than anything, it sucks that this has become the acceptable norm. At this point, I would wager that only about 20% of the serialized shows that I've watched have actually had a real ending.

Can you imagine if every time you went to the movie theater there was an 80% chance that the movie would cut off half way through and you wouldn't be allowed to see the rest?

With movie theaters you are the customer. With TV you are not the customer; the advertisers are.

With movie theaters you are the customer. With TV you are not the customer; the advertisers are.

From the consumer standpoint that's irrelevant. If anyone ever went to a single movie that just cut off half way through with no resolution then they would be outraged. Yet we're all willing to go through exactly that, with TV shows, over and over again.

It has nothing to do with us feeling like we're the direct customer in a movie theater and feeling like we're not a direct customer when watching TV, it has to do with expectations. When we go into a movie theater we expect to see the whole thing whereas with TV shows we've come to accept that there's a pretty good chance we'll never see the whole thing.

Besides, a customer of a customer is still a customer. Movie companies don't sell blu-rays to end users, they sell them to retailers and distributors. But if the end users aren't buying them from the retailers and distributors then the retailers and distributors don't buy them from the movie companies. If a movie company started releasing a bunch of movies that cut off half way through with no resolution then people would stop buying them from the retailers, and ultimately the retailers would stop buying them from the movie companies.

Likewise, if TV watchers don't watch the shows, then the advertisers don't buy the ads.

The problem is that it's become socially acceptable for TV shows to just disappear without really affecting people's likelihood to watch another TV show by the same people.

It is acceptable that shows just disappear because we also have the polar opposite going on where shows just keep running. Shows that succeed have no expectation of an ending arc they just go until the ratings decline enough for them to be put to bed quietly. For the most part the American audience wants their old reliable shows each week.

It has been this way for many decades. It is not going to change.
They are in business to make money.

If the show hadn't dragged so much in the beginning it might have lasted longer. I rarely gave up on shows but the first season or so was so boring and drawn out I had to call it quites. I picked it back up towards the end and it was definitely better but they should have started off stronger.

The following sales model doesn't exist but I'd pay $3 per episode or $20-30 per season for new episodes of SGU to be made available through iTunes or Netflix. As long as I get a digital version that I can watch whenever I want. Heck, the studio could even put 5min worth of commercials at the beginning and another break at the 30min mark to cover the remainder of the production costs.

The following sales model doesn't exist but I'd pay $3 per episode or $20-30 per season for new episodes of SGU to be made available through iTunes or Netflix. As long as I get a digital version that I can watch whenever I want. Heck, the studio could even put 5min worth of commercials at the beginning and another break at the 30min mark to cover the remainder of the production costs.

Someday somebody's going to try financing a series on this model. Joss Whedon might be able to do it because he's got a rabid built-in fan base.

Someday somebody's going to try financing a series on this model. Joss Whedon might be able to do it because he's got a rabid built-in fan base.

As long as you can find about 1,500,000 other like minded people to sign up for that, this economic model should work.

The following sales model doesn't exist but I'd pay $3 per episode or $20-30 per season for new episodes of SGU to be made available through iTunes or Netflix. As long as I get a digital version that I can watch whenever I want. Heck, the studio could even put 5min worth of commercials at the beginning and another break at the 30min mark to cover the remainder of the production costs.

I believe Sanctuary was originally pitched as that sort of concept. Of course Itunes and Netflix were not in the state they are at now when the show got picked up by SciFi.

End of all things gate. decent last episode but why no blu-ray release? they shot them in hd why not release it? kind of bitter pill for me. will miss show. any space based tv sci-fi left?

The Blu-ray will be released in Europe-UK on 7-4-11 (some irony there :p)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003OBZ6EC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_d5_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1EZG7WFNERBANMB16WFZ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294

I'm not 100% sure it'll be region locked but there's a good chance it will be.

No sign or any leaked info on a US release that I've found so far :(
A new Oppo player & region-free mod kit will solve the problem.

Yeah, I'm holding off my purchase hoping the UK release will be region free. If not I guess I'll have to suck it up and get the DVDs. I'm hoping if this and the Atlantis Blu-Ray box set sell well enough MGM might realize there is still interest in Stargate.

The Blu-ray will be released in Europe-UK on 7-4-11 (some irony there :p)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003OBZ6EC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_d5_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1EZG7WFNERBANMB16WFZ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294

I'm not 100% sure it'll be region locked but there's a good chance it will be.

No sign or any leaked info on a US release that I've found so far :(
A new Oppo player & region-free mod kit will solve the problem.
Or just ripping it to a BD ISO will remove the region restriction if you wish.
I always keep my regions intact when I rip them but none of the foriegn BD titles I have are restricted.

I really hope someone pick up this series. If primeval can come back after being off for 2 years mayb e SG:U can.

I really hope someone pick up this series. If primeval can come back after being off for 2 years mayb e SG:U can.

Primeval had an awfully abbreviated season this past year, didn't it? I can only remember a few episodes being broadcast on BBCA. Or else my DVR just didn't catch many. Seemed kind of strange at the time.

Primeval had an awfully abbreviated season this past year, didn't it? I can only remember a few episodes being broadcast on BBCA. Or else my DVR just didn't catch many. Seemed kind of strange at the time.

Wasn't all that short ... more than 6, less than 12 episodes ... typical UK style "season." OTOH, BBCA does tend to give DVR software fits. Trust but verify.

Primeval had an awfully abbreviated season this past year, didn't it? I can only remember a few episodes being broadcast on BBCA. Or else my DVR just didn't catch many. Seemed kind of strange at the time.

I missed the show, never watched it. Is it worthwhile, since BBC has episodes on sometimes? Or do you have to start at the beginning?

Primeval had an awfully abbreviated season this past year, didn't it? I can only remember a few episodes being broadcast on BBCA. Or else my DVR just didn't catch many. Seemed kind of strange at the time.

True but it was the first season back after the 2 year break. It just started a new season last Tuesday (5/24/11)I think so new episode tonight or so.

True but it was the first season back after the 2 year break. It just started a new season last Tuesday (5/24/11)I think so new episode tonight or so.

My DVR guide (TWC) doesn't list any 'Primeval' episodes at all, and BBA On Demand doesn't have any either. I know I only saw 2 or 3 of the new season's episodes and then it seemed to disappear. Admittedly, even the couple I saw indicates the show probably didn't deserve to go on after they killed off or otherwise eliminated most of the cast they began with. It's not really even a guilty pleasure anymore, which is why I'm not terribly bothered by missing the new eps.

^^Season 5 started last week in England. It won't air on BBCA until later this summer (I think-hope).
There were 7 episodes in season 4, shown by BBCA in January (s4 began in Jan). There will be 6 episodes in S5.

Season 4 had 7 epsodes and season 5 is supposed to have six. I forgot about Primeval. I hope season 5 shows up soon so I can get it from Amazon VOD(no BBCA-HD on FiOS so I need to rent it from Amazon for HD)

The BBCA site for Primeval doesn't even mention season 5.

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/423/index.jsp