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pottscb

10-16-09, 02:06 PM

True...although you need to also take into account the dates for those movies:
Shawshank Redemption, 1994, 1.85
Godfather, 1972, 1.85
Godfather II, 1974, 1.85
il buono, 1966, 2.35
Pulp Fiction, 1994, 2.35
Schindler's List, 1993, 1.85
12 Angry Men, 1966, 1.66
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, 1975, 1.85
The Dark Knight, 2008, 2.35/1.78 (or 1.85?)
Star Wars, 1980, 2.20

So...it is a little unfair to compare the top ten movies when 6 of the 10 movies where all 1980 or earlier. I think 2.35 movies have become more popular lately, especially with blu-rays.

So while your point is well taken...there are a lot of good movies that are in a 16:9 format. My personal opinion is that 2.35 is becoming more popular than 1.78/85 with newer movies...especially on blu-ray format.

I agree that 2.35 has great movies (and trashy chick flicks) as you stated, more and more all the time, however, Nosferatu, Casablanca, Bridge on the River Qwai, Godfather, Raging Bull, The Maltese Falcon, Full Metal Jacket, etc will never be 2.35, and they will always be THE Classics people return to as they will always be some of the earliest (and some think the finest) examples of film.

Alright, no more CIH chat from me...honest.:D

Raistlin_HT

10-16-09, 02:12 PM

I could see it being a problem on a movie like The Dark Knight but not really that big of a deal.

You beat me to my answer. The Dark Knight is a good example. Also, everytime I start a movie from the menu, I don't want to see Processing............................................... ANNOYING! Then your audience is asking you about it instead of being sucked into the movie.

Agree 100%. I will be very annoyed if that stupid "processing" notice is there everytime there is an AR change.

Hopefully if it is, they will remove it via firmware option down the road.

I'm a little confused on how The Dark Knight is a good example for this 'problem'?

While I too would prefer it to not state "processing" as the zoom/focus changes, Batman is a silly movie to use the auto feature even if the message didn't pop up. From my understanding, changing zoom/focus takes a minimum of 5 seconds, and while it's happening, the image is also out of focus.

With that in mind, why would you actually want for this to happen in realtime at all? I'd rather either stick with one aspect ratio, but even if I wanted to keep something approaching constant height, I'd want to pause the movie anyway.

Given the mechanics of this feature, it obviously isn't intended for use in realtime with material that regularly switches ratios.

pottscb

10-16-09, 02:20 PM

Given the mechanics of this feature, it obviously isn't intended for use in realtime with material that regularly switches ratios.

Raistlin...we'll have no rational comments in this thread! :) You have just touched upon a point that most everyone has neglected to consider until now...who the heck cares if "processing" is blinking...if its over a blurry image? Don't bother me none...those of you on the preorder list who are now having buyers remorse...PM me your best cash price on this unit, taking into consideration that by the time you PM me, Panasonic will probably have lowered the MAP...

mlang46

10-16-09, 03:50 PM

I agree that CIH is the 'holy grail' of HT of sorts. I am doing CIH in my personal theater.

However, the poster you quoted was correct. You are interpolating the VERTICAL resolution with the image processor...and interpolating means that you are adding data to the video that wasn't originally there.

How can you stretch video vertically without adding information? This 'stretching' process is called interpolation and you are definitely adding information that wasn't there to begin with.

A blu-ray movie has a set resolution and a 2.35:1 blu-ray is wasting some of the vertical resolution with black bars on top/bottom. For a 1080p movie, the video processor just takes the ~720 vertical lines of ACTUAL VIDEO, cropping off the black bars, and stretches (interpolates) them to fit the full 1080 vertical lines of the PJ. Then the a.lens just stretches the image horizontally to correct for the screwed up AR after the vertical stretching.

In summary, a lens setup does use the full 1080 lines of the projector...although you don't really have anymore data than what was there before because you had to interpolate in order to fill those 1080 lines. There was never 1080 vertical lines in the source movie...so the benefit of stretching to 1080 and then shrinking optically is debatable... The clearer advantage to using a lens is that since you are using all 1080 vertical lines...you get that much more light from your projector actually being used on the video image instead of being wasted on the masking above and below screen. So you get a brighter image (although this isn't 1:1 because you do lose some light going through a lens, and there are arguments that zooming also gives you a brighter image because of the lens position...but all arguments on the table, I do believe you get a slightly brighter image overall using a lens.)

Long story short...if money is no concern, a lens setup is probably the best way to go. You can get a slightly brighter image and more importantly you can choose between a much wider range of PJ's.

If money is a concern, then the panny is a great way to go. You get nearly as good of an image compared to a lens setup. You cost will be at least half that of a lens setup. The biggest problem to a zoomed 'CIH' setup is that you are limited to ONE projector...this panny. (not counting those that manually zoom a projector by hand, that would get old real fast for me)

I am doing the zoomed CIH setup using the panny. I think its by far the best bang for the buck CIH setup and I will be very happy with it.

the zoomed CIH set up will give you the best image also. So you pay less and you get a better image to boot.
I have stayed away from LCD because of image blur but I am wondering if that has improved.

thorr

10-16-09, 04:08 PM

I'm a little confused on how The Dark Knight is a good example for this 'problem'?

While I too would prefer it to not state "processing" as the zoom/focus changes, Batman is a silly movie to use the auto feature even if the message didn't pop up. From my understanding, changing zoom/focus takes a minimum of 5 seconds, and while it's happening, the image is also out of focus.

With that in mind, why would you actually want for this to happen in realtime at all? I'd rather either stick with one aspect ratio, but even if I wanted to keep something approaching constant height, I'd want to pause the movie anyway.

Given the mechanics of this feature, it obviously isn't intended for use in realtime with material that regularly switches ratios.

Good points. I hadn't considered that it would be out of focus during the aspect ratio changes. Your idea to pause the movie for a moment is a good one though, although I may be able to live with an out of focus picture for a few moments. Having "processing..." all over the picture is another story though.

dholmes54

10-16-09, 04:30 PM

Not trying to change the subject,do they make a dust cover for Pany projectors when not in use.

lalawyer

10-16-09, 04:58 PM

I need to jump on this bandwagon. Im considering this projector, with a 100" screen. What are your suggestions for screen aspect ratio? 16:9? 2:35:1??? Im confused!

Thanks, Scott

Raistlin_HT

10-16-09, 05:06 PM

I need to jump on this bandwagon. Im considering this projector, with a 100" screen. What are your suggestions for screen aspect ratio? 16:9? 2:35:1??? Im confused!

Thanks, Scott

I'm kind of in the same boat ... though won't be making a purchase until later next year.

From the limited research I've done however, I'd say the first thing to consider is your room. Specifically, what usable height versus width do you have? In my case, I'll be building a dedicated theater in the basement. With that in mind, the room will not be particularly tall, but the width of the screen can be basically however wide I want it.

In my case, I can't think of a reason NOT to go with 2.35:1. If you do not have such limitations, then I suppose it comes down to preference ... keeping in mind what sort of content you will use the most (movies versus HD TV, games, etc).

lalawyer

10-16-09, 05:32 PM

Well, I don't really have any limitations re: usable height. My only limitation is seating distance to screen, which is why I picked the 100" diag. Other than that, the wall that the screen will go on is plenty tall and wide.

The screen use will primarly be for movies. I'm putting a 65" plasma on the wall behind the screen for general TV viewing when the screen is up.

What are most movies shot in these days?

Thanks,
Scott

Raistlin_HT

10-16-09, 05:35 PM

thorr

10-16-09, 06:22 PM

...when the screen is up.

Are you planning on getting a roll-up screen? I haven't checked, but I am not sure if they make them in 2.35:1.

lalawyer

10-16-09, 06:50 PM

Yes, motorized roll up. And I'm not seeing them in that size either.

thorr

10-16-09, 07:07 PM

You can get a 16:9 and just roll it down far enough for 2.35:1 assuming it lets you stop it exactly where you want it. The only limitation is the top of your screen is the top of your screen (2.35:1 will be centered higher than 16:9 on your wall). You will also have to mount your plasma at the top too so it gets fully covered by the screen in 2.35:1 mode.

Thinking about it, that is a clever way to do masking. :) Just make sure the wall behind it is black or at least a dark color.

Joseph Clark

10-16-09, 08:17 PM

At this price, I'm considering the 4000 for a bedroom. I have a 52" Sony XBR LCD in the room now, and my sister wants to get an LCD about that size. So, it could work out well for both of us, if the 4000 will fit in my room. Problem is, I can't seem to locate the screen calculator - rather, I can't locate the projector in any of the calculators I can find.

From the lens to the screen, the distance may be as short as 8.5 feet. I'd be happy with a roughly 80" screen. Can anyone tell me if the 4000 would work at that distance, or point me to a calculator with the AE4000 in the list?

Edit: OK, I just found it. At 8.5', the calculator returns a screen size of 65". Is this the max size or does the red area in the Projector Central calculator indicate that this is in the middle of the zoom range? I'd like to go 75", preferably 80".

edpowers

10-16-09, 08:24 PM

Here is a link to the projector central AE4000 throw calculator.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Max 16:9 screen size at 8'6" is 86"

Joseph Clark

10-16-09, 09:02 PM

Here is a link to the projector central AE4000 throw calculator.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Max 16:9 screen size at 8'6" is 86"

Thanks, Ed. That'll work. :)

What's the latest on availability, guys?

xgecko

10-16-09, 10:41 PM

Just got my pre-order in yesterday with VA, hopefully I'm on the first shipment.

Can anybody suggest a good (and cheap) ceiling mount that would work with this? It's my first pj so I don't currently have one.

These mounts from Parts Express are great and very low cost. I use one with my Panasonic PT-AE500U and it works great. I will soon be jumping on the AE4000 bandwagon when I order one in December and I expect to simply move the mount to the new PJ at that time.

http://www.parts-express.com/wizards/searchResults.cfm?searchFilter=&srchExt=CAT&perPage=27&sortBy=1&layout=grid&page=1&srchPrice=&srchCat=708&srchMfg=301&srchPromo=&srchAttr=

PaulM

10-17-09, 12:02 PM

Same here... my 3000 is on its way. But I confess... I missed the news on the AE4000 price, and assumed it would hit the street at closer to $3k. Still, I got a great deal on an awesome projector, so I won't lose any sleep over it. :D Ya gotta pull the trigger sometime.

Thought I'd mention... I un-pulled the trigger on the 3000 and pre-ordered the 4000. My wife talked me into it. So I'm very happy on at least 3 counts:
1. I'll have an even awesome-er pj.
2. Projector People (Carmen) was a pleasure to deal with. After my order had shipped, I was advised to just refuse shipment from ups, so it goes straight back to PP at no charge to me at all. Then PP does a full refund.
3. I have a wife who talks me into spending more on HT stuff.

How cool is all that? Oh, while I'm counting my blessings, AVS Forum rocks!

Paul

Bujee1

10-17-09, 12:04 PM

I need to jump on this bandwagon. Im considering this projector, with a 100" screen. What are your suggestions for screen aspect ratio? 16:9? 2:35:1??? Im confused!

Thanks, Scott

It really depends on what you watch most of the time or what is most important to you. Superbowl is the big event at my house. The impact of filling a 100" 16:9 screen is more than a side masked 95" 2.35:1. What I like about my AE3000 is that is is easy to move the image to the top of the screen and mask the bottom with a velvet curtain for 2.35:1. The advantage of the AE4000 is even with 2.35 movies the menu is 16:9. THe AE4000 can make the adjustments automatically.

Smarty-pants

10-17-09, 12:48 PM

It really depends on what you watch most of the time or what is most important to you. Superbowl is the big event at my house. The impact of filling a 100" 16:9 screen is more than a side masked 95" 2.35:1. What I like about my AE3000 is that is is easy to move the image to the top of the screen and mask the bottom with a velvet curtain for 2.35:1. The advantage of the AE4000 is even with 2.35 movies the menu is 16:9. THe AE4000 can make the adjustments automatically.
DANG! I didn't realize that was a difference between the 3000 and 4000.
Now I may have to eliminate the 3000 from consideration if the 4000 "auto detects" and adjust for 16:9 menu screens, and the 3000 does not.

Smarty-pants

10-17-09, 12:52 PM

3. I have a wife who talks me into spending more on HT stuff.

How cool is all that? Oh, while I'm counting my blessings, AVS Forum rocks!

Paul

My wife could care less about this stuff. If she actully knew how much I spent on a/v gear over the last 5 years, she'd pass out I think.
If I actully had her suggesting more/bigger/better things to buy, I would be in big trouble.:rolleyes::D

Just Nick

10-17-09, 01:30 PM

Agree 100%. I will be very annoyed if that stupid "processing" notice is there every time there is an AR change.

Hopefully if it is, they will remove it via firmware option down the road.

Has there ever been a firmware update on the 3000? And how would you even do it? My DVD player offers two options: via Ethernet or pop in a disc. I don't see a way with the 3000 or 4000.

Nick

Smarty-pants

10-17-09, 01:38 PM

has there ever been a firmware update on the 3000? And how would you even do it? My dvd player offers two options: Via ethernet or pop in a disc. I don't see a way with the 3000 or 4000.

Nick

rs232

hitchfan

10-17-09, 01:47 PM

This one here shows the Auto function:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QON8OdvLV5k

According to the video, it takes about 5-6 seconds.

Thanks, zeroskill. The final seconds of the demo did finally demonstrate it for real. And, yes it's too bad they've got that annoying "PROCESSING" box flashing in the dead center of the screen the whole time. I can almost see why they'd want to let you know what was happening and that it was working, but how about a tiny, non-flashing "auto" or something in a corner?

Too bad. Any bets on whether or not the AE5000 will offer the ability to opt out of that annoying flashing, on-screen "PROCESSING" junk? Might be worth waiting for...lol. Five great steps forward and three very annoying steps backward for no apparent good reason as far as I'm concerned.

Just Nick

10-17-09, 01:49 PM

rs232

Would that be the port on the back labeled "serial"?

And if so, has anyone updated firmware this way? Is it cumbersome?

Raistlin_HT

10-17-09, 02:07 PM

Thanks, zeroskill. The final seconds of the demo did finally demonstrate it for real. And, yes it's too bad they've got that annoying "PROCESSING" box flashing in the dead center of the screen the whole time. I can almost see why they'd want to let you know what was happening and that it was working, but how about a tiny, non-flashing "auto" or something in a corner?

Too bad. Any bets on whether or not the AE5000 will offer the ability to opt out of that annoying flashing, on-screen "PROCESSING" junk? Might be worth waiting for...lol. Five great steps forward and three very annoying steps backward for no apparent good reason as far as I'm concerned.

:rolleyes:

*bites tongue*

Would that be the port on the back labeled "serial"?

And if so, has anyone updated firmware this way? Is it cumbersome?

Yes, serial is RS-232.

It certainly can be more cumbersome than using Ethernet or USB, but that's not entirely the fault of the interface. A lot of companies simply do very little to make the updating procedure clean.

Regardless, the main issue most people find is that they no longer have a serial adapter on their computer. To remedy this, there are USB->serial adapters available, though not all work with everything. I'd have to look up the model I have. Onkyo is a weird bird. Their receivers and pre/pros are amongst the most cutting edge available, yet they haven't moved beyond rs-232 for firmware updates. So needless to say, I've done some FW updates via serial.

Darth Indy

10-17-09, 02:15 PM

Thanks, zeroskill. The final seconds of the demo did finally demonstrate it for real. And, yes it's too bad they've got that annoying "PROCESSING" box flashing in the dead center of the screen the whole time. I can almost see why they'd want to let you know what was happening and that it was working, but how about a tiny, non-flashing "auto" or something in a corner?

Too bad. Any bets on whether or not the AE5000 will offer the ability to opt out of that annoying flashing, on-screen "PROCESSING" junk? Might be worth waiting for...lol. Five great steps forward and three very annoying steps backward for no apparent good reason as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with you. So your telling me the stupid processing is gonna flash on screen during movies like Dark Knight, Transformers 2 Imax version, and others like Enchanted that start out pillarboxed and then open up after the opening!!!???? If so this may be a deal killer for me. I don't wanna be enjoying a movie and then when it switches ratios have that pop up on the screen everytime. There is no way to disable the auto switch ratio feature?

mike2060

10-17-09, 02:22 PM

I agree with you. So your telling me the stupid processing is gonna flash on screen during movies like Dark Knight, Transformers 2 Imax version, and others like Enchanted that start out pillarboxed and then open up after the opening!!!???? If so this may be a deal killer for me. I don't wanna be enjoying a movie and then when it switches ratios have that pop up on the screen everytime. There is no way to disable the auto switch ratio feature?

You don't have to have it automatically switch ratios.

Darth Indy

10-17-09, 02:46 PM

You don't have to have it automatically switch ratios.

Oh, I thought I read where there was no way to turn it off?

Raistlin_HT

10-17-09, 03:17 PM

What people are complaining about is the inability to turn off the message that appears on the screen when zoom/focus changes occur.

R Harkness

10-17-09, 04:52 PM

Actually, looking back I've had my ae700 5 years now. Panasonic has a cool little page showing the evolution of their projectors here: http://www.panasonic.net/avc/projector/special/ae_projector/

I'm 6 generations behind at this point, but quite honestly I would have gone another year or two at least if mine hadn't stopped working. I actually have a brand new bulb ready to use, guess i'll have to ebay it.

My friend has the AE700 on a 92" diagonal Graywolf screen. It looks really nice and the gray screen certainly helps it out.

I have the AE900 and it's funny how even these older projectors can still "wow" guests. The big image will always do it.

That said, once I saw the JVC RS20 playing lots of my DVDs and Blu Rays at a forum member's house, it was painful coming back to my AE900. The difference was far from subtle to say the least. And once you see the black levels and depth of image achieved by something like the JVC, I find it hard to be happy with the relatively high black levels of an old Panny projector.

(Which is why I now have an RS20 ready to replace my AE900).

But, even older projectors can look great (as long as you don't do careful comparisons to the current crop of higher contrast projectors...my friend says he's so happy with his AE700 he doesn't even want to see the JVC once it's up and running :)).

Joseph Clark

10-17-09, 06:33 PM

Well, the plan right now is to get the AE4000 for my bedroom. The cool thing, though, is that with my current main home theater arrangement, it's going to be easy as pie to set up and compare the 4000 to my Sharp XV-Z20000 DLP projector. The Sharp has great ANSI contrast and a really fine lens, as well as a good CMS. Since it's a single chip, it's a very clean, sharp image. I've been DLP since I got rid of my CRT projector, so it should be really interesting to have a DLP and an LCD in my own theater. I hadn't really considered LCD in the past, but I've also never had one to do a direct A/B, so I'm kinda looking forward to it.

The Panasonic 4000 price puts it right in the range of my Sony 52" LCD flat panel. Since I'm used to a 110" screen in my main home theater, I've always felt the XBR was too tiny, even in a small bedroom. My sister and her husband laughed when they heard me say that, because they want to put a 52" LCD in their living room.

One question I have for the 3000 users is about displaying the Windows desktop with the 3000. I actually do quite a lot of this, since I surf with the Sharp pretty frequently. The DLP renders an absolutely gorgeous computer desktop image. It's sharp as a tack, whether I'm checking email or playing Blu-ray. How's the computing experience on the AE3000?

DrewB

10-17-09, 07:58 PM

My friend has the AE700 on a 92" diagonal Graywolf screen. It looks really nice and the gray screen certainly helps it out.

I have the AE900 and it's funny how even these older projectors can still "wow" guests. The big image will always do it.

That said, once I saw the JVC RS20 playing lots of my DVDs and Blu Rays at a forum member's house, it was painful coming back to my AE900. The difference was far from subtle to say the least. And once you see the black levels and depth of image achieved by something like the JVC, I find it hard to be happy with the relatively high black levels of an old Panny projector.

(Which is why I now have an RS20 ready to replace my AE900).

But, even older projectors can look great (as long as you don't do careful comparisons to the current crop of higher contrast projectors...my friend says he's so happy with his AE700 he doesn't even want to see the JVC once it's up and running ).

I'm still using an L300U (1700 hours) on a ~100" screen and nice blu-ray still impresses. The AE-4000 should knock my socks off! :)

Bronco70

10-17-09, 08:56 PM

A front pj in the bedroom. An excellent idea! What size screen?

I'm with you on screen size. Some months back I bought a 50" Panny Plasma to replace a really ancient (10 year old) rear pj in my smallish den. Even though my viewing distance is just under 6' and the Panny beats my 4 year old BenQ in just about every parameter it just doesn't have the wow factor that my 133" screen in the HT provides.

Unless we start hearing negatives about the AE4000 it will be my upgrade.

It will also be so simple to compare it to the in place BenQ. Will not be really a fair comparison as by the time the 4000 might be here the lamp in the old pj will have around 2500 hours on it. Added to this I will be able to place the 4000 to extract the maximum gain out of my Da-Lite HP screen.

Recently in this search for a replacement unit I've thought about the new Sony or perhaps the JVC.

Spend x times extra? Seems to me to not make sense. LED based units soon? Will 3D be the must have "new thing" in 3-4 years?

Fun times with all the changes in technology that we can believe in.

Joe

Joseph Clark

10-17-09, 10:39 PM

That bedroom was one that I seldom used, since my Godfather passed away. I recently decided to do some acoustical treatments in there and upgraded the sound system with Energy RC-30 speakers. It sounded so good that I ended up spending a lot more time in it. When I added the Sony 52" LCD, it just seemed so small. The bad thing about projection TV is that it's pretty much spoiled me for anything else. :)

I'm thinking about an 80" screen. I can't go much bigger than that in the small room. I use a 110" HP in my main home theater room (the largest possible size for that room), and I'm interested in finding out how bright an 80" HP will be with the 4000. I'm almost certain I'll have to filter it so my eyes aren't seared. That's OK. I'll remove the filter (or change it) after a few hundred hours. I plan to build a custom frame and attach the screen to the wall mount I'm using for the Sony LCD. That should give me plenty of placement flexibility.

Joseph Clark

10-17-09, 10:45 PM

Bujee1

10-18-09, 03:17 AM

Joseph Clark

10-18-09, 09:33 AM

I've hooked mine up to my Laptop a couple times. It's OK. Not Jaw dropping.

My computer has a Radeon 4850 card running at 1920x1080p, so it maps pixel by pixel to the Sharp. Since the Sharp is a single chip, text is extremely clean. I suppose I'm asking if there is much of a convergence issue with the AE3000 in text or fine desktop details. I think that's where I would notice it most, rather than in films or regular HDTV programming.

Terminator840

10-18-09, 12:20 PM

jaydillyo

10-18-09, 01:03 PM

I can see why people are complaining about it, but it is no way a deal breaker. I do agree it would be nice if it could be turned off or if it weren't located right in the center.

-- jaydillyo

Kamus

10-18-09, 04:22 PM

I'm into 3D in my home theater as soon as possible, but the price on this Panasonic is so ridiculous, it makes more sense than a smaller LCD flat panel. I can control ambient light pretty well without a lot of effort, so I'm going to do it. I think Panasonic is the most likely candidate for a 3D projector, what with all the noise they're making about it in the press, and their links to James Cameron because of Avatar.

I don't see why you would assume it might support 3d in the future. (at least that the impression i'm getting)

This projector does not, and most likely will never support 3d, unless of course you get two of them.

The one thing holding me back from all these good deals right now is the fact that i'm a fan of 3d stereo. (i already have dual 720p projectors) And even before all these projectors came out we knew they were not gonna support the upcoming 3d standard in 2010... kinda sucks. i know they have to wait for the standard to come out before they can release the displays for it, but it sure would be nice if there were some true 120Hz input projectors in the market other than the DepthQ.

Joseph Clark

10-18-09, 04:57 PM

I don't see why you would assume it might support 3d in the future. (at least that the impression i'm getting)

This projector does not, and most likely will never support 3d, unless of course you get two of them.

The one thing holding me back from all these good deals right now is the fact that i'm a fan of 3d stereo. (i already have dual 720p projectors) And even before all these projectors came out we knew they were not gonna support the upcoming 3d standard in 2010... kinda sucks. i know they have to wait for the standard to come out before they can release the displays for it, but it sure would be nice if there were some true 120Hz input projectors in the market other than the DepthQ.

I didn't mean to imply that. I just said I think Panasonic will be among the first companies to support 3D in a projector.

xradman

10-18-09, 04:57 PM

You beat me to my answer. The Dark Knight is a good example. Also, everytime I start a movie from the menu, I don't want to see Processing............................................... ANNOYING! Then your audience is asking you about it instead of being sucked into the movie.

Why would you have this feature turned on for TDK? Just when the image is supposed to get larger, it gets smaller with this feature for CIH folks. I would think the best way to see TDK would be to lock in your AR to 2.40 and crop the top and bottom of the picture during those IMAX sequences.

Bujee1

10-18-09, 10:11 PM

Why would you have this feature turned on for TDK? Just when the image is supposed to get larger, it gets smaller with this feature for CIH folks. I would think the best way to see TDK would be to lock in your AR to 2.40 and crop the top and bottom of the picture during those IMAX sequences.

No, The best way to see it is as the director intended on a 16:9 screen.
This cracks me up. The whole point of CIH is to see it as the director intended,,,(unless you don't agree with it.) :rolleyes:

Smarty-pants

10-18-09, 11:22 PM

No, The best way to see it is as the director intended on a 16:9 screen.
This cracks me up. The whole point of CIH is to see it as the director intended,,,(unless you don't agree with it.) :rolleyes:

I agree with watching in OAR as the director intended, however I feel it's kind of a slap in the face to serious home theater enthusiasts to implement such a thing on a dvd or Blu-ray.
I don't like the switching back and forth... and how was this switching thing even beneficial in a standard movie theater?
Did they leave the screen masking closed to 16:9, and then shrink the pic for the 2.35:1 segments?
It's supposed to be the opposite. The 2.35 is supposed to be bigger (wider) than 16:9.
Great movie, but very bad implementation on disc IMO.
[off_topic_rant_over]

FiveMillionWays

10-19-09, 04:37 AM

Interesting talk. I just want the picture to look good.

neekos

10-19-09, 09:30 AM

although the 4000 looks promising, its light output is still a weak link.

In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation.

trpltongue

10-19-09, 11:04 AM

I've read through a couple of threads on the 4000u now and I still don't know the answer to 1 question.

What is the projectors native refresh rate?

One of the things I like about my Samsung LCD is that the native refresh rate is 120hz so there is no jitter when watching 24p material. I do NOT use the frame interpolation feature, but the fact that there is no 3:2 pulldown required results in a nice smooth pan.

I'm curious how this projector will display 1080/24p material. If it displays it at 24 or even 48hz it will be unwatchable for me as I am very sensitive to low refresh rates.

Thanks!

Russell

TheSensFan

10-19-09, 11:22 AM

I'm curious how this projector will display 1080/24p material. If it displays it at 24 or even 48hz it will be unwatchable for me as I am very sensitive to low refresh rates.

I suppose the intelligent frame creation feature will help with this. No?

TheSensFan

10-19-09, 11:24 AM

Now I am a bit confused with the new lens memory feature. Simply put, if I build a 2.35:1 screen and I am displaying a 2.35:1 source the screen will be fully used. Am I correct in stating the new feature will take my 16/9 source and fill the screen without loss of quality or pixel crop?

Seeing that the viewing is 50/50 I still trying to decide if my new “bigger” screen will be 16x9 or 2.35:1

trpltongue

10-19-09, 11:44 AM

TheSensFan,

No, I do not use the intelligent frame creation feature. I don't want to create frames that aren't there. What I do want to do is display the frames in an even interval (i.e. each of the 24hz frames repeated 5 times equals 120hz). Also, I want it done at a minimum of 96hz or my eyes fatigue.

With regards to the zoom feature, if you have a 2.35 screen you will see movies like this:

2.35 will take up the full size of the screen but only use ~66% of the projectors pixels.
16/9 movies will take up the full height, but not the full width of the screen and will use 100% of the projectors pixels.

Hope that helps some.

JOHNnDENVER

10-19-09, 11:44 AM

Dave_1

10-19-09, 11:49 AM

I am from Canada, but the $1,999 price ( which will be a bit higher in Canada ) now makes the next PJ purchase alot more interesting. I had the Mit 6800 as a #1 choice followed by the Epson 8500 and now I have to consider the Panasonic 4000. The warranty is only 1 yr on the Panny so that is why it drops to 3 rd place for me. The Epson is still questionable based on the QC issues on lst yr's model the 6500 , so I will wait to see what the price comes in at and how some user reviews turn out with this model. I like what I have read so far on the Mit.6800, but the current Canadian price of $2,895 may have me looking at the last 2 models. I think the pricing will have to get a bit closer with a rebate on those models. I prefer the 2 yr+ warranty on PJ's. Can't wait to see what the shootout will be on these models. The next couple of months will make for interesting reading.

trpltongue

10-19-09, 11:54 AM

Even the AE1000 does this at 96hz right? Not sure this much of a factor to that many people, but maybe?

John,

That's what I can't seem to figure out. If it plays back 24p material at 96hz without engaging the frame creation then I'm good to go, I just can't figure out if that's the case or not.

Dave,

There's always a Mack warranty (or other 3rd party warranty in Canada)

Russell

Dave_1

10-19-09, 12:15 PM

I haven't heard of this Mack warranty (or other 3rd party warranty in Canada) Are this warranties backed by Panasonic?

I think I will do some checking.

trpltongue

10-19-09, 12:22 PM

Dave,

The 3rd party warranties are not directly backed by Panasonic. However, the way they typically work is that the repair is done by an authorized Panasonic service center. They are typically very reasonable in price (couple hundred dollars) and are usually above and beyond your typical big box store extended warranty.

m0tion

10-19-09, 12:31 PM

Anyone heard any news about a ship date?

TheSensFan

10-19-09, 12:37 PM

Just an FYI for fellow Canucks. I was told today by a number of AE4000 dealers the Canadian price is $3999 :eek:

benareeno

10-19-09, 12:39 PM

all the more reason to get it from the states. If they don't sell any in Canada, then they will have to lower the price! There's no way I can support that kind of extortion!

SimonJB

10-19-09, 12:49 PM

Yeah, that would be crazy with the exchange rate as it is now. Any Canuck old-hands here have a prefered US dealer for shipping to Canada?!?

Joseph Clark

10-19-09, 12:50 PM

AVS doesn't handle Panasonic right now. Bummer. Where are you guys ordering from? (I know there's probably a waiting list.)

Tedtris

10-19-09, 12:53 PM

Anyone heard any news about a ship date?

Last I heard from PP was that Panasonic was shipping them to vendors "around the 23rd from Japan".

And as long as they don't get shorted on the amount they recieve, mine should be in that first shipment. So excited

Smarty-pants

10-19-09, 01:00 PM

AVS doesn't handle Panasonic right now. Bummer. Where are you guys ordering from? (I know there's probably a waiting list.)

ProjectorPeople
VisualApex

Links are at the top of every page on AVS.

Joseph Clark

10-19-09, 01:03 PM

ProjectorPeople
VisualApex

Links are at the top of every page on AVS.

Thank you, Dave.

imbmom

10-19-09, 02:05 PM

Chiahead

10-19-09, 02:41 PM

If you are all worried about a 1 year warranty, check with your credit card. My VISA will double your manufacturer warranty for up to 1 extra year, so a 1 year becomes a 2 year. I used it with no problems on my Plasma TV at 23 months when the picture went out.

So call your credit card and check.

IQ22

10-19-09, 02:56 PM

Could I just clarify something with everyone for a second? I'm new to the projector world and have my 4000u on pre-order. I'm building a DIY screen and am planning on building a 2.39 aspect ratio screen. I often see people quoting 2.35. According to the Wikipedia article for aspect ratios, modern movies are actually 2.39...not 2.35. So being that I'm building my screen from scratch, shouldn't I build it to 2.39 (assuming I don't have any interest in movies prior to 1970)? Are people just using "2.35" as a standard terminology when the measurement is actually 2.39?

Already have my blackout cloth...buying the wood this week...want to make sure I'm doing my math correctly!

I have a setup question for all you experts before I go and order everything for my HT.

After much research here is my anticipated setup...

Room size: 19' wide x 25' deep
Throw distance: 14'
seating distance: 14'
Screen size: 120" 2.35.1
Projector: Panny ae4000

Does this look like I will have any issues? Could I safely go to 128"?

This is my first projector and I'm trying to cover my bases.

Thanks for any input!

Smarty-pants

10-19-09, 03:04 PM

^^^The dif between 2.35 and 2.39 is trivial at best. Build to whatever specification is best for your personal setup.
Many DIY screens will measure out to all kinds of variations with intent on Cinemascope presentation... 2.33, 2.41, 2.35, 2.39:1...
It's not a big deal.

As for "accuracy", some movies are 2.40:1, and some are 2.35:1, and some are 2.39:1. So there really is no real perfect size. Personally, I would go with 2.35:1.

Smarty-pants

10-19-09, 03:12 PM

I have a setup question for all you experts before I go and order everything for my HT.

After much research here is my anticipated setup...

Room size: 19' wide x 25' deep
Throw distance: 14'
seating distance: 14'
Screen size: 120" 2.35.1
Projector: Panny ae4000

Does this look like I will have any issues? Could I safely go to 128"?

This is my first projector and I'm trying to cover my bases.

Thanks for any input!

Sounds good so far.;)

Use the projector calculators on the Panasonic and projectorcentral websites to varify if your screen size / viewing distance / ect... is within spec and recommendation.
As a best guess right now, I don't think 128" would be a problem.

Depending on your particular setup... screen, ambient light, ect... it's possible that particular screen size could yield a dimmer picture than desired, but then again maybe not, depending also how you calibrate the projector and what output modes you use.

There are many variables to consider, and most of those variables depend specifically upon your personal setup and situation.

mike2060

10-19-09, 03:17 PM

Just an FYI for fellow Canucks. I was told today by a number of AE4000 dealers the Canadian price is $3999 :eek:

If this is true then LOL. Buying it from the States you can probably buy a brand new projector if the 4000 ever broke and for some reason Panny wouldn't repair it for the price you pay in Canada.

hitchfan

10-19-09, 03:41 PM

I watched that youtube video on the 4000. I don't see how that little processing box on screen for a few seconds could be a deal breaker. The way some people were talking (before I saw the video) I thought it covered the whole screen with a huge box and PROCESSING was being melded into your brain every time it shows up.

I don't know if it would be a deal killer for me, but I'll bet there will be a way to opt out of it in the next generation or two of this model. Maybe a firmware update (?). I believe there will be that much of a blowback from it.

Imagine even mild channel surfing through the HD and SD cable/satellite line-up and sitting through 5-6 seconds of this "REMINDER" - "REMINDER" - "REMINDER" - "REMINDER" - "REMINDER" of what your projector is doing from channel to channel dead center in the screen. It would be at least as annoying as the channel identification being "DISPLAYED" - "DISPLAYED" - "DISPLAYED" - "DISPLAYED" - "DISPLAYED" dead center in the screen every time you changed channels.

At some point there will be multi-disc blu-ray DVD players where you can line up a trailer dvd, cartoon dvd, feature dvd, etc. to make for a somewhat seamless night at the movies (many people already do this, of course, with home theater computer set-ups and multi-disc SD DVD players). Except that in this case every time you switch from a 1.33:1/1.78:1 aspect ratio to a 2.35:1 you'll be "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" -"REMINDED" - "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" that the projector is conveniently adjusting for the difference.

Why? Why would I want it to? Why would I need it to? I just don't see why this is even necessary or, at the very least, why you shouldn't be able to opt out of the constant "REMINDER".

By the time someone has bought a front projecter with this feature and navigated through the menu system to set up the Lens Memory w/Auto Detect to make all of it happen automatically, I really don't think they're going to need to be "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" - "REMINDED" what it's doing or that, indeed, it is working for them each and every time it occurs.

Again, not a total deal killer. But easily several unnecessary and annoying steps backward for anyone who envisioned this great feature to work somewhat silently behind the scenes to create more of a real theatrical experience rather than a blatantly, in-your-face "technical" front projector experience.

mintchris

10-19-09, 04:51 PM

If this is true then LOL. Buying it from the States you can probably buy a brand new projector if the 4000 ever broke and for some reason Panny wouldn't repair it for the price you pay in Canada.

^^^^^
Wisdom!!

DreamCatcher

10-19-09, 04:56 PM

Anyone heard any news about a ship date?

Late this month is the last I was told.

DreamCatcher

imbmom

10-19-09, 06:12 PM

Sounds good so far.;)

Use the projector calculators on the Panasonic and projectorcentral websites to varify if your screen size / viewing distance / ect... is within spec and recommendation.
As a best guess right now, I don't think 128" would be a problem.

Depending on your particular setup... screen, ambient light, ect... it's possible that particular screen size could yield a dimmer picture than desired, but then again maybe not, depending also how you calibrate the projector and what output modes you use.

There are many variables to consider, and most of those variables depend specifically upon your personal setup and situation.

Hey thanks Dave.

I think I will stick with the 120", and go with the 1.0 gain, to ensure I have a brighter picture.
Although my room will have complete light control...I watch alot of sports with the lights on dim.

Thanks for the response.

Joseph Clark

10-19-09, 06:27 PM

Anyone heard any news about a ship date?

Visual Apex told me that they were still expecting them by the end of the month when I ordered mine today. They also told me they had enough in their expected first shipment for me to get mine right away, so hopefully no waiting.

Now I have to find some DaLite High Power screen fabric. I think I'll call Jason Turk tomorrow and find out what the options are.

Kimwyn

10-19-09, 08:10 PM

can the 4000 be compared to a JVC RS-15/20??? is that a fair comparison or are they 2 different classes of projector?

BowWowz

10-19-09, 08:32 PM

can the 4000 be compared to a JVC RS-15/20??? is that a fair comparison or are they 2 different classes of projector?

Its probably safe to say that if you can ask that question then, yes they can be compared.

The JVC is in a different class, but the differences may not be apparent unless you have a good room setup and are really into quality.

For an average buyer I don't know how you can go wrong with the Panasonic.

MIAB

10-19-09, 09:20 PM

Could I just clarify something with everyone for a second? I'm new to the projector world and have my 4000u on pre-order. I'm building a DIY screen and am planning on building a 2.39 aspect ratio screen. I often see people quoting 2.35. According to the Wikipedia article for aspect ratios, modern movies are actually 2.39...not 2.35. So being that I'm building my screen from scratch, shouldn't I build it to 2.39 (assuming I don't have any interest in movies prior to 1970)? Are people just using "2.35" as a standard terminology when the measurement is actually 2.39?

Already have my blackout cloth...buying the wood this week...want to make sure I'm doing my math correctly!

I went from a 2.35:1 to a 2.20:1. I'm glad I did. 1.85:1 movies have almost the same impact that the cinemascope does. And when 16:9ing it is still acceptable. My screen is 139" wide. Watched PAN'S LABYRINTH the other night and was very pleased. I was going to horizontally mask for 2.40:1 but the single black bar at the top doesn't bother me enough. I drop the image down so 3 sides are masked. The top mask is the least bothersome if missing in my view.

ipodhappy

10-19-09, 09:39 PM

Newbie wanting to get his feet wet with this pj---I have a few questions if anyone wants to share some hard-earned expertise:

My info:
1. Prob want a 80 to 90 inch width screen, not sure of 16:9 or 2:35. Any opinions welcome.

2. PJ will be approx 13 feet from the wall, prob will put it on a shelf/end table about 1.5 feet off the ground. (too low?)

3. I will be hooking it up to a htpc via hdmi---cord run of about 15 to 20 ft.

4. The pj will be used for 50% movies and 50% TV. Net surfing will happen frequently as well.

5. It will be in a main living area that is equipped with both mini blinds and pretty heavy curtains that will nearly always be drawn when the unit is being watched.

6. My viewing chairs will be approx 13ft from the screen--with my sofa being a little off angle to the screen at about 11 ft.

Now for the questions---and I do appreciate your patience with such a long post :)

1. The pj will be on a table between my 2 chairs: if i place it on a shelf at about 1.5 ft, will this be too low? Will the people sitting in the chairs, be distracted by the light beam from the pj going to the screen? Never had a pj, so not sure how noticeable the beam of light will be? BTW, the pj will be projecting pretty much straight at the middle of the screen.

2. Will the pj be too loud for those sitting in the chairs during scenes of low-no volume?

3. Based on above info, anyone care to hazard a type of screen? Wilson DW--Paint type--BO cloth--or Carada (wish I could afford that last one :) I do want to keep the spending to a minimum. I would love to make use of the elec trigger, but not sure if there are any cheap motorized out there? Would prob want tensioned...

4. Will this pj have enough vertical shift to move the screen up, since im basically projecting from the floor!?

5. If i am overwhelmed by the large screen during normal tv watching, is it simple to shrink the screen to a more managable size?

6. Again on the screen, does anyone think i will have enough brightness and contrast, or will i need a gain screen or a gray contrast screen? I think choosing a screen is harder than choosing the projector---especially since this Panny is rockin everyones world!

7. If the exhaust vents are on the front, is it taboo to place the pj in a relatively enclosed table shelf, or does it need to be a very open shelf/table?

8. My current tv is a mits dlp rear projection wd-65732, good picture when it worked!! It just died and my extended warranty is going to replace/ buy out. Im taking the cash! Anyone know how this intended setup will compare to the old tv?

Thanks so much for you time and patience!
I really want this projector, if I can get all my info straight!

AaronHam

10-19-09, 11:01 PM

Is anyone else from Australia considering importing the AE4000 from the US to save thousands?? Is it safe to ship projectors by air? Also, with the warranty, am I right in thinking that it would still be covered by warranty in the US and I would just need to ship it back for any repairs? Cheers.

Randy Mathis

10-19-09, 11:30 PM

Newbie wanting to get his feet wet with this pj---I have a few questions if anyone wants to share some hard-earned expertise:

My info:
1. Prob want a 80 to 90 inch width screen, not sure of 16:9 or 2:35. Any opinions welcome.

I suggest buying a sheet of MDF and painting it with Behr brand brilliant white paint and trying out the biggest picture that you can to see if you want smaller, larger or what you see. You shouldn't commit to a screen size until you have some experience in your room.

2. PJ will be approx 13 feet from the wall, prob will put it on a shelf/end table about 1.5 feet off the ground. (too low?)

Not too low. Should be fine.

3. I will be hooking it up to a htpc via hdmi---cord run of about 15 to 20 ft.

4. The pj will be used for 50% movies and 50% TV. Net surfing will happen frequently as well.

5. It will be in a main living area that is equipped with both mini blinds and pretty heavy curtains that will nearly always be drawn when the unit is being watched.

6. My viewing chairs will be approx 13ft from the screen--with my sofa being a little off angle to the screen at about 11 ft.

Now for the questions---and I do appreciate your patience with such a long post :)

1. The pj will be on a table between my 2 chairs: if i place it on a shelf at about 1.5 ft, will this be too low? Will the people sitting in the chairs, be distracted by the light beam from the pj going to the screen? Never had a pj, so not sure how noticeable the beam of light will be? BTW, the pj will be projecting pretty much straight at the middle of the screen.

Should be fine. I only tried shelf mounting when I first got my PJ and tried it to make sure that it worked before committing to ceiling mounting. I didn't notice the beam of light but, then again, I was so amazed by the giant screen that I didn't notice anything else.

2. Will the pj be too loud for those sitting in the chairs during scenes of low-no volume?

Probably not

3. Based on above info, anyone care to hazard a type of screen? Wilson DW--Paint type--BO cloth--or Carada (wish I could afford that last one :) I do want to keep the spending to a minimum. I would love to make use of the elec trigger, but not sure if there are any cheap motorized out there? Would prob want tensioned...

I made a suggestion earlier

4. Will this pj have enough vertical shift to move the screen up, since im basically projecting from the floor!?

It should. If I am not mistaken it is at least as flexible as my old Sanyo Z2 and it can do what you describe easily.

5. If i am overwhelmed by the large screen during normal tv watching, is it simple to shrink the screen to a more managable size?

This is why I suggest playing with a homemade screen first but yes it is easy to shrink the picture.

6. Again on the screen, does anyone think i will have enough brightness and contrast, or will i need a gain screen or a gray contrast screen? I think choosing a screen is harder than choosing the projector---especially since this Panny is rockin everyones world!

Everything should be fine unless you have lots of lights on.

7. If the exhaust vents are on the front, is it taboo to place the pj in a relatively enclosed table shelf, or does it need to be a very open shelf/table?

Heat kills electronics. If the heat vents out of the front then the cool air needs to be coming from somewhere else. You want as much air as possible to your pj. (all electronics actually)

8. My current tv is a mits dlp rear projection wd-65732, good picture when it worked!! It just died and my extended warranty is going to replace/ buy out. Im taking the cash! Anyone know how this intended setup will compare to the old tv?

A pj can be a bit more of a hassle if you like to turn the television on and off frequently. You shouldn't turn a pj on and watch 30 minutes of television and then turn it off and then back on 30 minutes later. The expansion and contraction from heating up and cooling off will shorten your bulb life and, possibly, other parts of the pj. As a rule; once I turn my pj on it stays on for the day unless there is a period of two hours between use. It should look as good or better than your old tv if you have good light control and your screen is perpendicular to the pj lens.

Thanks so much for you time and patience!
I really want this projector, if I can get all my info straight!

naturr

10-19-09, 11:37 PM

I am new to this also but here is my two cents, other please feel free:

My info:
1. Prob want a 80 to 90 inch width screen, not sure of 16:9 or 2:35. Any opinions welcome. I understand that most movies are in 16:9 currently

4. The pj will be used for 50% movies and 50% TV. Net surfing will happen frequently as well. Google earth on a huge screen is awesome especially when older relatives come over they love finding where they grew up

Now for the questions---and I do appreciate your patience with such a long post :)

1. The pj will be on a table between my 2 chairs: if i place it on a shelf at about 1.5 ft, will this be too low? The Panny site states the projector has a veritical correction of 100%, which I believe means if is is throwing a 40" tall image at default it can move the bottom of the image to the top edge. Will the people sitting in the chairs, be distracted by the light beam from the pj going to the screen? I would assume so dust particles and all being reflected especially in darker scenes if the projector is in the viewing lineNever had a pj, so not sure how noticeable the beam of light will be? BTW, the pj will be projecting pretty much straight at the middle of the screen.

2. Will the pj be too loud for those sitting in the chairs during scenes of low-no volume? Supposedly quiet but I assume kicks into high fan when overheating if not enough ventilation

3. Based on above info, anyone care to hazard a type of screen? Wilson DW--Paint type--BO cloth--or Carada (wish I could afford that last one :) I do want to keep the spending to a minimum. I would love to make use of the elec trigger, but not sure if there are any cheap motorized out there? Would prob want tensioned... Screens range in price from $300 to $4000+ for electric

4. Will this pj have enough vertical shift to move the screen up, since im basically projecting from the floor!? Research and use calculator on site

5. If i am overwhelmed by the large screen during normal tv watching, is it simple to shrink the screen to a more managable size? Yes set it in memory to swap back and forth

6. Again on the screen, does anyone think i will have enough brightness and contrast, or will i need a gain screen or a gray contrast screen? I think choosing a screen is harder than choosing the projector---especially since this Panny is rockin everyones world! I understand a 1600 lumen projector can do a "good image" with daylight, so with heavy blinds you should be set

7. If the exhaust vents are on the front, is it taboo to place the pj in a relatively enclosed table shelf, or does it need to be a very open shelf/table?
Hot air out the front but if it can't suck in enough cool air you might find it ramps up the fan or over heats

8. My current tv is a mits dlp rear projection wd-65732, good picture when it worked!! It just died and my extended warranty is going to replace/ buy out. Im taking the cash! Anyone know how this intended setup will compare to the old tv?Seriosuly?! How will a modern front projection setup that is double the size compare to your old rear projection... you will probably get over the limitations with time :)

Thanks so much for you time and patience!
I really want this projector, if I can get all my info straight![/QUOTE]

frank1940

10-20-09, 11:33 AM

Newbie wanting to get his feet wet with this pj---I have a few questions if anyone wants to share some hard-earned expertise:

2. PJ will be approx 13 feet from the wall, prob will put it on a shelf/end table about 1.5 feet off the ground. (too low?)

Thanks so much for you time and patience!
I really want this projector, if I can get all my info straight!

I understand that with PT-AE3000 (See the owners thread for further information), the center of the lens must be inside of the screen IF you wish to use the Constant Height Image feature. (This feature is currently an exclusive with the PT-AE3000 and AE-4000 projectors.)

You are probably wondering why. I really don't think this thread is the place for this discussion as it has been extensively covered in the PT-AE3000 owners' thread. (The simplest explanation is that if the projector lens centerline is not on the center of the screen, the center of the 16:9 image and the zoomed 2.35 image is not in the same place on the screen.) The problem is complicated to understand and requires some careful study of the actual way you have to set up the mechanical lens offsets and the electronic offsets to get both the 16:9 and the 2.35 pictures properly centered on the screen and not (electronically) crop the top (or bottom) the 16:9 images.

If you don't plan on using the CHI feature, your proposed setup will probably work. It is difficult for us to tell because you didn't specify how high the screen was off the floor.

I know this is not the answer you were looking for but a bit or research on your part will determine what will work with the physical parameters of the particular setup. Hope this helps....

sleblan3

10-20-09, 11:41 AM

My word of wisdom is that since Panasonic seems to like think so little of us Canadians, then why even reward them with a sale period? (IE: buying from the States)

Obvious answer is that it's a great projector, but still....I say damn you to hell Panasonic! :)

ipodhappy

10-20-09, 12:38 PM

I understand that with PT-AE3000 (See the owners thread for further information), the center of the lens must be inside of the screen IF you wish to use the Constant Height Image feature. (This feature is currently an exclusive with the PT-AE3000 and AE-4000 projectors.)

You are probably wondering why. I really don't think this thread is the place for this discussion as it has been extensively covered in the PT-AE3000 owners' thread. (The simplest explanation is that if the projector lens centerline is not on the center of the screen, the center of the 16:9 image and the zoomed 2.35 image is not in the same place on the screen.) The problem is complicated to understand and requires some careful study of the actual way you have to set up the mechanical lens offsets and the electronic offsets to get both the 16:9 and the 2.35 pictures properly centered on the screen and not (electronically) crop the top (or bottom) the 16:9 images.

If you don't plan on using the CHI feature, your proposed setup will probably work. It is difficult for us to tell because you didn't specify how high the screen was off the floor.

I know this is not the answer you were looking for but a bit or research on your part will determine what will work with the physical parameters of the particular setup. Hope this helps....

My screen will probably be about 2 or 2.5 ft off the floor, so it will most likely be above the placement of the pj. I def want the CIH to be an option! I guess I need to head over to the 3000 owners thread and read up. I guess vertical shift will not take care of the cih problem huh?

Still looking for a few more comments on the beam of light from the pj being distracting since it will be right between my seats?

frank1940

10-20-09, 02:03 PM

My screen will probably be about 2 or 2.5 ft off the floor, so it will most likely be above the placement of the pj. I def want the CIH to be an option! I guess I need to head over to the 3000 owners thread and read up. I guess vertical shift will not take care of the cih problem huh?

Still looking for a few more comments on the beam of light from the pj being distracting since it will be right between my seats?

As I understand, the mechanical vertical shift will allow you to center the 16:9 picture. However when you try to center the 2.35:1 image (after zooming), the electronic shift can't move the picture far enough to center it.

I really don't believe looking through the light beam is an issue unless your house air quality is very poor. :) At least, I have never read about anyone complaining of it. Remember, with any positioning of any front projector, you will be looking through the light beam to some extent. A bigger issue might be light 'leakage' from the projector itself. If light were to escape through ventilation ports, around the lens assembly, etc., it could be quite a distraction.

reconlabtech

10-20-09, 02:21 PM

SimonJB

10-20-09, 02:30 PM

Is it really Panasonic's fault or the Canadian govt regulations on imports?
Epson doesn't seem to have the same problem.

If it's government regulation, then the Dealers and Panasonic Canada should be lobbying the government to level the playing field.

dawziecat

10-20-09, 03:54 PM

I blame the Canadian government for much . . . "don't get me started" on the CRTC for example. :)

But it's one heck of a stretch to blame the government for the MSRP of the AE-4000.
Panasonic Canada and only Panasonic Canada made that decision.

And, at an MSRP of $4000, plus an HST of 13% on top of that (we CAN blame the gov. for THAT much!), I sure as hades won't be buying one . . . in Canada at least.

For the winter place in Florida . . . if the "street price" really comes in at $1999 . . . it is hard to pass up.

If you really want one, take a holiday to the US, stay for seven days, buy at $1999, bring it home, declare it and pay tax on the difference between your allowable exemption ($750 CDN) and the actual purchase price.

Think I'll just leave mine in the house in Florida though.

Oh, and enjoy your US holiday too.

Bujee1

10-20-09, 07:45 PM

RickAVManiac

10-20-09, 08:23 PM

TheSensFan

10-20-09, 08:53 PM

I have no source to back my statement but 4000$ CND for the Panny it is almost impossible...

Yes, the panny will cost more in Canada but not the double...

Best thing is to wait for the official price and see...

Eric

Like I said, I called numerous stores in Canada. Each one indicated the exact same price and ETA. Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.

wiraca

10-20-09, 09:01 PM

This projector looks great on paper, but so did the (2) AE-3000u's I had to return due to multiple dust blob issues and focus problems.

MusicFirst

10-21-09, 12:15 AM

RapalloAV

10-21-09, 12:21 AM

This projector looks great on paper, but so did the (2) AE-3000u's I had to return due to multiple dust blob issues and focus problems.

It looks like the PT-AE4000 is now better in this area.

RickAVManiac

10-21-09, 06:42 AM

Like I said, I called numerous stores in Canada. Each one indicated the exact same price and ETA. Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.

I really hope so... Because many will buy from the US. At 3999$ you can buy 2 projectors. At that price difference the warranty argument has no impact!

Eric

SimonJB

10-21-09, 07:05 AM

...Maybe Pan. will realyze the price is far to high for the value of the dollar right now.

I'm routing for the CDN dollar right now : http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=canadian+dollar :D

Mark II

10-21-09, 12:13 PM

Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

Mark II

DooLocsta

10-21-09, 12:23 PM

Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

Mark II

With the amount of lens shift offered you should not have any problems doing a read shelf mount. I am planning on this as well if I do actually get this.

SimonJB

10-21-09, 12:23 PM

Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, then yes. I believe it's referred to as desk rather than shelf in the manual though. I guess a difference could be the angle of projection, but the manual states you can be up to 100% off center either way, so the orientation makes no difference.

imbmom

10-21-09, 12:48 PM

Just preordered from PP.

They say I am #200 in line, which should still be in the first shipment. Still saying end of the month.

kejsi

10-21-09, 01:08 PM

I ordered one(my first projector) from Projector People last night and received a phone call today confirming I'm in the first batch being shipped. I was told I should received it the first week of November. My theater room should be done right around then so I can barely contain my giddyness.

MusicFirst

10-21-09, 01:21 PM

TheSensFan

10-21-09, 01:27 PM

As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."

This is starting to worry me. I am far from an expert but I am in a completely light controlled room. Should I still be concerned with the lumen output?

I mean I am upgrading from an older IN 4805... :)

Smarty-pants

10-21-09, 01:32 PM

Is anyone going to be using the 4000 in an ambient light condition? If so, are you concerned about the brightness?

As neekos said earlier: "In its best mode it gets around 550 lumens, putting it in eco mode drops it by 32%, thus netting out at 374... I consider that a serious limitation."

Not a limitation, just the specs of the projector.
If you care less about accurate colors and such of the picture, and the half-life of the lamp, then run the pj in Dynamic or whatever mode that has higher output.

"Ambient light" is a very vague term to begin with too.
Small to moderate amounts of NON-direct ambient light should still yield a good, but possibly slightly washed out pic.

There are solutions to combat ambient light. Like using a high power / higher gain screen, keeping the ambient light from shining directly onto the screen, making sure surfaces near the screen are not reflective...

If you are going to have a ton of light in the room, then you will need a much more expensive "light canon" type projector that will still stay close to accurate at higher output.

mlbspike

10-21-09, 02:15 PM

I'm hearing 20% to 30% more brightness in dynamic for epson 8100/8500. Question for me is how much that % buys you. If the ambient is bad enough to make the 4000U near unwatchable, is even 30% going to save the situation, or ... just make it less horrible, with the realization that you need to turn on your 50" flatscreen.

dabagboy

10-21-09, 02:54 PM

Has this projector (AE4000) been reviewed/compared to the Mitusubishi HC3800 anywhere?

DrewB

10-21-09, 04:27 PM

Wonder if they will have any Black Friday deals on these?

MusicFirst

10-21-09, 04:50 PM

Not a limitation, just the specs of the projector.
If you care less about accurate colors and such of the picture, and the half-life of the lamp, then run the pj in Dynamic or whatever mode that has higher output.

"Ambient light" is a very vague term to begin with too.
Small to moderate amounts of NON-direct ambient light should still yield a good, but possibly slightly washed out pic.

There are solutions to combat ambient light. Like using a high power / higher gain screen, keeping the ambient light from shining directly onto the screen, making sure surfaces near the screen are not reflective...

If you are going to have a ton of light in the room, then you will need a much more expensive "light canon" type projector that will still stay close to accurate at higher output.

All very true. Fact is I forgot that I could use "Best mode" at night when I want to watch a movie, and during the summer days when I want to use the sliding glass door going out to the swimming pool, I could use the highest output mode for casual sports watching during the day. I can definately keep the ambient light from hitting the screen directly even with the sliding glass door open.

Thanks!

rmerlano

10-21-09, 07:04 PM

Dave_1

10-21-09, 07:32 PM

I was also considering this PJ, but I am not sure if the position where I would have it will work.( It has to stay at that position ) If I did consider this PJ it would be on a ceiling shelf at about 12.6 ft from a 104 inch screen. I had a look at one of the projector sites for distance calculations and ( not sure if I read it right ) but it would be at the very limit of 12.6 to fit the 104 inch screen and I don't think it would work.

Can anybody confirm if I am looking at that calculation correctly. I believe it was on the VisualApex site.

Tks
Dave

Smarty-pants

10-21-09, 07:59 PM

TheSensFan

10-21-09, 08:43 PM

Kimwyn

10-21-09, 08:54 PM

can the 4000 be compared to a JVC RS-15/20??? is that a fair comparison or are they 2 different classes of projector?

any other thoughts on this?

MacBuster

10-21-09, 08:57 PM

mnnc

10-21-09, 09:01 PM

This is starting to worry me. I am far from an expert but I am in a completely light controlled room. Should I still be concerned with the lumen output?

I mean I am upgrading from an older IN 4805... :)

A new 4000 in a light controlled room...get the paper towels and prepare to drool!

blackbelt

10-21-09, 09:57 PM

Wonder if they will have any Black Friday deals on these?

If memory serves me I think they had black friday deals on the 3000 last year of about $200 bucks. But this one is already at a lower price point I cant see them doing it. But that said I hope they do.

Bujee1

10-22-09, 12:19 AM

Can this projector can be rear shelf mounted? I know it can be ceiling mounted which would hang upside down. However, I do not find a specific answer in the manual in regard to this.

Mark II

My AE 3000 is shelf mounted 11 ft away from a 100" screen in a room that is 95% light controled during the day but I watch sports with the lights on. It's bright enough.

Mark II

10-22-09, 12:34 AM

Bujee1

Thanks for the reply and after reading the manual further it does seem this projector can be mounted almost anywhere as SimonJB stated above.

I am remodeling my theater room and will be replacing my old trusty ($5000) Sony VW10HT which I had ceiling mounted. Although I have been very happy with it I look forward to a refresh.

Dave_1

10-22-09, 04:54 AM

Dave_1, try this one...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

If you are talking about a 104" diagonal 16:9 screen, with 12.6 feet between the lens and screen, then you should be good... right in the sweet spot actually.
As long as the "height" of the pj is within the limits of the the lens shift specifications, you should be perfectly fine.

Thanks for the reply. That calculator makes it look alot better. Now I just have to wait for the shootout & canadian price between the Mit 6800, Epson 8500 and the Panny 4000.(In that order) These are the ones that I have been waiting to see pro reviews and user feedback. Hoping the price on the Panny is not out to lunch as quoted for us north of the border.

Tks Dave

MusicFirst

10-22-09, 08:58 AM

Mark II

10-22-09, 09:48 AM

Not sure, but I am also interested in this.

According to the Panasonic literature/brochure it does not or will be much improved.

http://www.visualapex.com/ProductSupport/PT-AE4000U.pdf

edpowers

10-22-09, 02:00 PM

Do LCD projectors suffer from the same issue LCD TVs do with fast moving sporting events? Where they do not refresh fast enough.

I have an old 4805 (DLP of course) and cannot say I ever had that issue.

The short answer is yes. The long answer is ... It depends on which LCD TVs you are referring to. Older LCDs and current cheapo LCDs have bad motion smearing and blurring. The newest LCDs are much better, and the 120hz and 240hz modes help with sports ... but some people still notice and are annoyed by the motion smearing effect. Plasmas and DLPs are the best at handling motion, so its not surprising that you've never had that issue with your 4805. Of course, others have major issues with DLP rainbows, so there are tradeoffs both ways.

PerryH

10-22-09, 02:12 PM

I am interested in this model, but have reservations due to past experience with a Panasonic AE700.

I bought an AE700 as a wedding gift for my sister in early 2006. Just past its warranty expiration it started the blue haze of death spiral -> weird blue haze -> blue spots -> blue blobs -> blue colored picture -> completely unwatchable... it is now a boat anchor.

From everything I have read this was caused by heat from the lamp damaging the blue lcd panel and/or the blue polarizer with Panasonic's sad excuses to an obviously poor design being that customers left the lamp on too high or used the projector too much.

In contrast, my lowly 5-6 year old Sony HS10 still works like a champ.

Has Panasonic (throughout the AEx000 series) overcome the flaws/mistakes that left purchasers of previous projector models watching the Smurfs no matter what content they attempted to view?

jdoughertyiv

10-22-09, 02:32 PM

Has Panasonic (throughout the AEx000 series) overcome the flaws/mistakes that left purchasers of previous projector models watching the Smurfs no matter what content they attempted to view?

From what I understand, it's believed by most that the use of inorganic LCD panels (which supposedly don't degrade due to heat and use like organic panels do) solves this problem. Obviously not many have had inorganic paneled projectors to use for 3-4 years, so their longevity has not been conclusively proven yet. I'm pretty optimistic though :)

TheLonlyEngineer

10-22-09, 06:11 PM

jaydillyo

10-22-09, 06:22 PM

Yes you can get away with it. Repainting a darker color would definitely improve the image though. I wouldn't go black. A nice brown or maroon would do wonders.

-- jaydillyo

Tup

10-22-09, 06:23 PM

I just pre-ordered my first projector, the ae 4000, for my spare bedroom. I have 100% light control in the room, but my walls and ceiling are an off white cream color. Will wall and ceiling color be critical to black levels? Can I get away with leaving the walls and ceiling the way they are? Is it critical the walls be absolutely black or can I get a way with putting up some large posters?

With good light control you should be fine. I would at least give it a try before doing anything too dramatic. I also wouldn't resort to absolute black either....any darker color would be fine.

ZenithPete

10-22-09, 08:31 PM

new review, and it isnt making the wait any easier

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-PT-AE4000-LCD-Projector-Review.html

Flatnate

10-22-09, 11:25 PM

Agreed, that review is not making the wait any easier. Thanks for the post though, I did enjoy how the video in the review showed the intelligent zoom working first hand.

Viche

10-23-09, 08:49 AM

My AE 3000 is shelf mounted 11 ft away from a 100" screen in a room that is 95% light controled during the day but I watch sports with the lights on. It's bright enough.

Is there such a think as a projector being too bright, or can you always adjust the brightness down without compromising image quality/color/shadow details?

I ask because I plan to use the 4000 at 11 feet from an 84" wide 16:9 screen in a 100% light-controlled room. I plan to use it for movies, tv, and videogames. Will it burn my retinas or will it be ":D"?

Viche

10-23-09, 08:52 AM

The short answer is yes. The long answer is ... It depends on which LCD TVs you are referring to. Older LCDs and current cheapo LCDs have bad motion smearing and blurring. The newest LCDs are much better, and the 120hz and 240hz modes help with sports ... but some people still notice and are annoyed by the motion smearing effect. Plasmas and DLPs are the best at handling motion, so its not surprising that you've never had that issue with your 4805. Of course, others have major issues with DLP rainbows, so there are tradeoffs both ways.

Oh and one other thing...I never thought about an lcd projector being different from an lcd tv. I see rainbows, so the cheaper DLPs are out of the question for me, but how will gaming be in the 4000? How much lag (in frames or milliseconds) should I expect and how much motion blur. I understand there is a game mode, but does that result in increased motion blur since the motion-assist features are turned off? Thanks

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 09:06 AM

Is there such a think as a projector being too bright, or can you always adjust the brightness down without compromising image quality/color/shadow details?

I ask because I plan to use the 4000 at 11 feet from an 84" wide 16:9 screen in a 100% light-controlled room. I plan to use it for movies, tv, and videogames. Will it burn my retinas or will it be ":D"?

You can always use a high quality neutral density filter on the lens if it's too bright. That reduces light output without significantly affecting image quality. The cool thing is that it allows you to remove the filter in the later stages of lamp life for increased brightness. At that size, though, you may always need some level of filtering. I'm going to be doing exactly the same thing. Don't use the projector's contrast and brightness controls to make it dimmer. That would affect contrast.

Viche

10-23-09, 09:12 AM

You can always use a high quality neutral density filter on the lens if it's too bright. That reduces light output without significantly affecting image quality. The cool thing is that it allows you to remove the filter in the later stages of lamp life for increased brightness. At that size, though, you may always need some level of filtering. I'm going to be doing exactly the same thing. Don't use the projector's contrast and brightness controls to make it dimmer. That would affect contrast.

So even with all the brightness killing/black increasing, color correcting cinema, color 1, and eco-modes turned on the image will be too bright?

How exactly does the filter affect image quality. Would I be better getting another dimmer projector instead of using this one with a filter?

If you can point me in the direction of high-quality neutral density filter for this projector I'd also appreciate it.

keenanj

10-23-09, 09:52 AM

any updates on shippping status from PP?

I was told they were shipping yesterday from overseas but I assume they are goign to PP first and not drop shipping.

Mopar_Mudder

10-23-09, 09:58 AM

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 10:12 AM

So even with all the brightness killing/black increasing, color correcting cinema, color 1, and eco-modes turned on the image will be too bright?

How exactly does the filter affect image quality. Would I be better getting another dimmer projector instead of using this one with a filter?

If you can point me in the direction of high-quality neutral density filter for this projector I'd also appreciate it.

The effect on image quality would be trivial and most likely imperceptible. Tiffen makes quality filters, as do several other manufacturers. You have to know the thread size of the projector's lens. (I don't know what it is on the 4000.)

Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't. Don't even think about getting a dimmer projector because you think the 4000 might be too bright for the room. Someone might want a different projector for any number of other reasons, but that shouldn't be one of them. As I said, the good thing about having to filter a projector is that you get a "free" lamp later, when the brightness drops due to the lamp's normal aging. Take off the filter and you give your projector's brightness a goose. You may have to recalibrate because of age related color shifting, but you'll have the extra brightness to play with simply by removing the filter.

The image may not be too bright for that screen. No one actually owns this projector yet. Still, a short throw and a small screen may mean you will need to filter the lens. You might not want to, though. You'll just have to get it in the room and see how you like it.

CCONKLIN1

10-23-09, 10:31 AM

Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't.
Yeah! Agreed 100%. I wiish every projector was "too bright"! Really looking forward to some reviews on this one from some people. Having had the 1000 and 2000 (and liking them) I can't wait to see this one.
Best,
Chris

BMAG

10-23-09, 10:32 AM

I have pretty much decied that I am going to get one of these for the new home theater. But does any one know what pricing does on these things after a couple of months? I already see some prices going up over what the PP are selling them at. I don't mind buying now if that is going to be the best price, but if I am not going to beable to use this for 6 months what does that do for any return policy for a bad unit?

I would advise against buying it 6 months before you start using it. Prices are likely to stabilize or go down as production ramps up and more units are available. Your warranty starts from the date of purchase, so why "give away" six months of it? I doubt any vendors will be willing to accept a return after six months, even if you haven't used it yet.

Viche

10-23-09, 10:34 AM

The effect on image quality would be trivial and most likely imperceptible. Tiffen makes quality filters, as do several other manufacturers. You have to know the thread size of the projector's lens. (I don't know what it is on the 4000.)

Too bright is an easy problem to fix. Too dim isn't. Don't even think about getting a dimmer projector because you think the 4000 might be too bright for the room. Someone might want a different projector for any number of other reasons, but that shouldn't be one of them. As I said, the good thing about having to filter a projector is that you get a "free" lamp later, when the brightness drops due to the lamp's normal aging. Take off the filter and you give your projector's brightness a goose. You may have to recalibrate because of age related color shifting, but you'll have the extra brightness to play with simply by removing the filter.

The image may not be too bright for that screen. No one actually owns this projector yet. Still, a short throw and a small screen may mean you will need to filter the lens. You might not want to, though. You'll just have to get it in the room and see how you like it.

Excellent explanation. Thanks!

trpltongue

10-23-09, 10:46 AM

In case anyone was interested, I found an answer to my question regarding how this projector handled 24p material with the frame creation turned off.

From the AVforums review:

With Frame Creation turned off simple duplication of frames are used instead of interpolated ones, so in the case of 24p material each frame is repeated three times after the original.

That's the comfort I was looking for :) The only other thing I need to research more is the contrast performance compared to other projectors out there. My theater room is a true batcave and I am looking for a very high-contrast image in a full light-controlled room.

Russell

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 10:50 AM

I'm curious (AE3000 owners out there) what you think about shadow detail. I'd also like to know if most people are using the dynamic iris. I've only seen a couple of DI systems. I saw one on a Sanyo that I didn't care for at all. It was very obvious when it changed. I don't care what it did for black levels, it just wasn't worth it. How's the DI on the 3000?

Maestro J

10-23-09, 11:07 AM

I have the DI turned on all the time on my 3000 and have never noticed it "in action".

Cashstore

10-23-09, 11:21 AM

oops, wrong thread

imbmom

10-23-09, 01:26 PM

lalawyer

10-23-09, 01:42 PM

Not sure if you all are aware, but here is the panasonic site for this projector, which has an excellent calcuator re: screen size, lens shift, etc.

http://www.panasonic.net/avc/projector/products/ae4000/

ferbal

10-23-09, 01:47 PM

I have the DI turned on all the time on my 3000 and have never noticed it "in action".
+1. I only notice it when, working with my PC, I open / close windows. Also, I hear no noise from the iris.
Shadow detail: very good to excellent.

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 03:09 PM

Does anybody know if the lens memory function is affected by horizontal lens shift?

I don't HAVE to use the horizontal shift but it would allow me to put the projector in the absolute best location if it were about 12" left of center.(13'6" throw)

Just curious if anyone has any experience with this?

Thanks in advance.

No direct experience, but I remember reading somewhere (maybe in the over $3,000 AE4000 thread?) that horizontal lens shift is limited if you plan to use lens memory function. That is, if you use memory, the max amount of horizontal shift is less than it would be normally.

Ajbolit

10-23-09, 03:10 PM

They moved shipping date to November ((

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 03:13 PM

+1. I only notice it when, working with my PC, I open / close windows. Also, I hear no noise from the iris.
Shadow detail: very good to excellent.

Thanks, guys. I'm looking forward to getting this pj.

Joseph Clark

10-23-09, 03:14 PM

They moved shipping date to November ((

Panasonic or your dealer?

PLB

10-23-09, 03:28 PM

A lot of customers read the reviews on the web. This results in a pretty well known ranking of projectors by quality. Last year the Panny 3000 was the considered the best by the pro reviewers in its price range. Most of the reviews of other projectors had a section where they were compared to the Panny 3000. Generally the Panny came off best in those comparisons.

Most projectors have had a price half life of about nine months. That means that nine months after introduction they are selling at half their original price.

However that was not true of the Panny AE3000. It held its intial price while its competitors dropped their prices. Panasonic now introduces the AE4000 at a much lower price and again it seems to be the model to which all others under $5k will be compared.

I expect that Mitsubishi, Epson, Optoma and Benq will drop their prices rapidly over the next few months while the industry leading Panny model will continue to sell at list - about $2k.

ZenithPete

10-23-09, 03:50 PM

They moved shipping date to November ((

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

my bulb aint gonna make it

blackbelt

10-23-09, 05:49 PM

They moved shipping date to November ((

Who moved the ship date?

LightninSVT

10-23-09, 06:35 PM

reconlabtech

10-23-09, 06:45 PM

there are too many pages to read through. So, when does this thing come out officially and is projector people the only place to pre-order one?

The rest of my equipment is arriving this week so I need to pull the trigger on a projector very soon.

Thanks,

Jon

Both answered in the thread... This many pages is nothing - go read the SandmanX home theater building thread.

Answers: Next two weeks dealers will be getting them in. All the forum sponsors are taking preorders now.

Tup

10-23-09, 07:28 PM

They moved shipping date to November ((

All the sites I have seen still indicate late October. On the other hand....November is rapidly approaching!

MADDOG

10-23-09, 08:40 PM

Look Epson 8500UB vs. Panasonic AE4000 http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_8500_panasonic_ae4000.htm

Ajbolit

10-23-09, 09:56 PM

by "they" I meant PP, but I might have misunderstood and it could only affect my shipment date since I am #237 in line ((

Alex solomon

10-23-09, 10:51 PM

Look Epson 8500UB vs. Panasonic AE4000 http://www.projectorcentral.com/epson_8500_panasonic_ae4000.htm

Thanks for the link. This is an unbiased and informative comparison. It's going to be tough for most folks to choose between the two.

MassGT

10-24-09, 11:46 AM

So am I better off with the Pany AE 4000 for 2K or the Pany AE 3000
for 1.7K. Is the 4000 the same as the 3000? Looks like the price says that they close but what do you guys think.

ZenithPete

10-24-09, 12:03 PM

There is no decision there, the ae4000 looks improved enough to warrant more than 300 dollars.

nightfly85

10-24-09, 02:25 PM

I currently have an Epson 800 with panel alignment issues. Did some searching and really didn't see any specific complaints on alignment on the AE3000 and was wondering if this was generally true? If so that would bode well for the AE4000. That's really my only worry with the current crop of inorganic LCD pjs.

Any thoughts on panel alignment on Panasonic LCD pjs?

CT_Wiebe

10-24-09, 03:16 PM

TheSkinsFan

10-24-09, 03:47 PM

• Intelligent Lens Memory. Lens memory was introduced by Panasonic on the AE3000. This feature enables you to set up the projector with a 2.40 widescreen, and zoom the lens to full frame 2.40 format when viewing a movie in 2.40 aspect ratio or higher. Then when native 16:9 material is being displayed, a push of the button moves the zoom lens to where the 16:9 image is centered full frame in the middle of the 2.40 screen. The objective is to let you enjoy super-widescreen format without the cost of an anamorphic lens. The AE4000 retains this feature and takes it one step further-now you don't have to press the button to change lens positions. The projector will automatically detect the format of the image being displayed, and the lens will reconfigure itself to accommodate it. This feature is optional. If you prefer to be proactive and select the lens position yourself, you can deactivate the auto-detect feature.
oh damnn... does this mean that I need to rethink my new screen AR? I didn't want to mess with lenses or switching the format constantly, so I was just going to go with a 16:9 screen... but, now this 4000 model will do it for me automagically! Sweet! :)

Hmm... 2.35:1 is starting to look better and better every day!

JDouthett

10-24-09, 04:40 PM

I don't want to turn this into a 2.35:1 discussion, but consider the benefits of a 2:1 AR. You will have masking issues whether running 16x9 or 2.35:1, but both visible areas will be comparable, delivering a similar viewing experience with movies and sports. My first screen was 2:1, it just wasn't large enough. My current is 2.35:1 and my next will be 2:1 if I can figure out how to make it fit. It will be large.

As of now, I have spouse approval to get the AE4000, so I will be clicking the purchase button this weekend.

ZenithPete

10-24-09, 04:55 PM

I just wish the preorder buttons would turn into in stock- order now buttons.

biliam1982

10-24-09, 05:13 PM

Thanks for the link. This is an unbiased and informative comparison. It's going to be tough for most folks to choose between the two.

That may be true to a point, but PC often lacks facts and is very subjective, based mostly on their opinions.

ipodhappy

10-24-09, 05:24 PM

[/quote]Just a word of caution, you will need to have the projector mounted within the area of your screen or you will need to angle and likely keystone your image in order to use the zoom memory feature. I found this out the hard way. I have 12' ceilings and due to my rear riser, I couldn't lower the projector any further or I would be banging my head on it.[/quote]

As regards this post from awhile back: I am trying to decide between the new panny and the new epson 8500. I really want the pan, but the "only" place i can put the pj is in a shelf 1.5 feet off the floor aprox 12.5 ft from the screen. The screen however is going to be at least 2.5 ft off the floor. Is this "lens in the screen requirement" going to preclude me from being able to use the automated zoom function?

I want a 100inch diagonal 2:35 screen, which i can use full time w/o anysort of masking for both 2:35 and 16:9 material.

thanks.

nightfly85

10-24-09, 06:17 PM

nightfly85 -- With any 3 chip PJ, there is always a chance of getting a misaligned one. However, the probability of that happening is low. If you do get one that has panel misalignment, be sure to send it in for warranty replacement, ASAP (after you you get authorization). That's why it is very important to buy from an authorized dealer (like AVS or one of their advertisers - links at the top of each forum page). Be sure to register your PJ within the required time frame, otherwise your warranty may be invalid.

Maybe I'm lucky, but I have never gotten a LCD PJ with misaligned panels. I've also never tried to save some money by purchasing from questionable on-line dealers.

Epson treated me well. I orginally had a epson 500; sent it back 3 times - 2 for panel alignment and 1 for dust blobs. They eventually upgraded me to the 800 on the last exchange. At first, it was perfect, good uniformity, etc. But after about 50 hrs or so, I started getting a light green on the left of my screen and a light pink on the right of my screen - effects indicative of panel misalignment. On a cross pattern, I see either green or pink halos depending on where on the screen I am looking.

Does it affect my movie viewing? Typically no, but yes, sometime it does.

So I was going to give up on LCD and move back to DLP, but I suffer from acute RBE it would seem. The Sony vpl 15 with its LCOS tech is very compelling, especially the panel alignment feature - clearly which acknowledges that panel alignment is an issue, especially over time on LCOS and similar tech like LCD - otherwise why provide the feature? But alas no anamorphic stretch support is a killer for my CIH 2.35 setup.

ilsiu

10-24-09, 07:36 PM

As regards this post from awhile back: I am trying to decide between the new panny and the new epson 8500. I really want the pan, but the "only" place i can put the pj is in a shelf 1.5 feet off the floor aprox 12.5 ft from the screen. The screen however is going to be at least 2.5 ft off the floor. Is this "lens in the screen requirement" going to preclude me from being able to use the automated zoom function?

I want a 100inch diagonal 2:35 screen, which i can use full time w/o anysort of masking for both 2:35 and 16:9 material.

thanks.

I think you're out of luck - lens memory won't work for that setup.

Why are you constrained to that projector location?

Smarty-pants

10-24-09, 08:00 PM

I think you're out of luck - lens memory won't work for that setup.

Why are you constrained to that projector location?

Really??? 1 ft below the screen and he's SOL? I'd assume the same situation for 1 ft ABOVE the screen? That certainly is VERY limited for a projector with lens shift.

Bob Whitefield

10-24-09, 08:41 PM

Really??? 1 ft below the screen and he's SOL? I'd assume the same situation for 1 ft ABOVE the screen? That certainly is VERY limited for a projector with lens shift.

This is only a problem if you want to use lens memory, and ensure both 2.35 and 1.78 pictures will be centered on the screen. If the projector is too far above/below the screen, lens shift can't center both aspects unless the projector is angled towards the screen somewhat.

Ipodhappy, you might be able to get away with it if the projector is only a foot above/below the screen, but you'll have to angle the projector a bit, which will introduce some keystoning. Whether the amount of keystoning is objectionable is really up to you. You should experiment on the wall before buying a screen. Many people (such as myself) found they wanted a much bigger screen after seeing what's possible.

You should definitely pursue a 2.37 - 2.40 aspect screen and the AE4000 projector. CIH is the way to go, it gives you a true theater, and the Panny's lens memory makes it easy.

Just curious, why does the projector have to be so close to the floor? Is there really no other place you can put it?

vid53

10-24-09, 09:53 PM

Does anyone know why it takes 7 days to get an RMA number from Projector People?? I'm not talking about crediting my account, just getting a number to ship the AE3000 back?? They now have $3700 of my money tied up, because i ordered the AE4000.
Has anyone else experience this?

Smarty-pants

10-24-09, 09:59 PM

This is only a problem if you want to use lens memory...Bob, thanks for the reply.

So just t be 100% clear...
If the user intends to use the lens memory feature, for something like a CIH setup, then the center of the lens needs to be parallel with the very top edge of the screen (not masking/border, but actual screen) when ceiling mounted, or parallel with the botton edge of the screen when shelf/table mounting... or somewhere in between those two points.

If going outside (above/below) the realm of the actual screen, then the user will have to tilt the projector up or down, to get the picture on_screen into the safe zone, and possibly use keystone correction (not lens shift) to compensate.
Lens shift IS already being used since the lens is not in the center of the screen.

^^^ Please concur if this is correct.:) ^^^

Now, with the scenario above being used as an example...
Let's say the lens is in perfect alignment with the top and or bottom of the screen...
This will make using vertical lens shift necessary.

Is there any way to still use any horizontal lens shift too, or is that out of the question since the lens is already at the extreme end of the criteria for using the lens memory feature?

Bujee1

10-24-09, 10:35 PM

Bob, thanks for the reply.

So just t be 100% clear...
If the user intends to use the lens memory feature, for something like a CIH setup, then the center of the lens needs to be parallel with the very top edge of the screen (not masking/border, but actual screen) when ceiling mounted, or parallel with the botton edge of the screen when shelf/table mounting... or somewhere in between those two points.

If going outside (above/below) the realm of the actual screen, then the user will have to tilt the projector up or down, to get the picture on_screen into the safe zone, and possibly use keystone correction (not lens shift) to compensate.
Lens shift IS already being used since the lens is not in the center of the screen.

^^^ Please concur if this is correct.:) ^^^

Now, with the scenario above being used as an example...
Let's say the lens is in perfect alignment with the top and or bottom of the screen...
This will make using vertical lens shift necessary.

Is there any way to still use any horizontal lens shift too, or is that out of the question since the lens is already at the extreme end of the criteria for using the lens memory feature?

It really depends on how much you tilt your projector. The manual lens shift function is circular. If you are at the bottom of the circle you cannot go left or right.
The lens memory is electronic and it moves the image within the 16:9 area you are projecting.

ilsiu

10-24-09, 10:52 PM

Bob, thanks for the reply.

So just t be 100% clear...
If the user intends to use the lens memory feature, for something like a CIH setup, then the center of the lens needs to be parallel with the very top edge of the screen (not masking/border, but actual screen) when ceiling mounted, or parallel with the botton edge of the screen when shelf/table mounting... or somewhere in between those two points.

If going outside (above/below) the realm of the actual screen, then the user will have to tilt the projector up or down, to get the picture on_screen into the safe zone, and possibly use keystone correction (not lens shift) to compensate.
Lens shift IS already being used since the lens is not in the center of the screen.

^^^ Please concur if this is correct.:) ^^^

That is correct. The lens memory relies on digital, not physical, lens shift. Once the center of the lens is outside the boundaries, then you can only recenter the image via physical shift. The sketch below shows what happens when the lens sits outside the screen edge of the 16x9 screen (yellow area). When you zoom out for 2.35, then the bottom edge is no longer aligned.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll158/il_siu/CIHzoomdiagram.gif

Now, with the scenario above being used as an example...
Let's say the lens is in perfect alignment with the top and or bottom of the screen...
This will make using vertical lens shift necessary.

Is there any way to still use any horizontal lens shift too, or is that out of the question since the lens is already at the extreme end of the criteria for using the lens memory feature?

I don't think you can use horizontal shift. Has to be centered.

imbmom

10-24-09, 10:54 PM

Bob, thanks for the reply.

So just t be 100% clear...
If the user intends to use the lens memory feature, for something like a CIH setup, then the center of the lens needs to be parallel with the very top edge of the screen (not masking/border, but actual screen) when ceiling mounted, or parallel with the botton edge of the screen when shelf/table mounting... or somewhere in between those two points.

If going outside (above/below) the realm of the actual screen, then the user will have to tilt the projector up or down, to get the picture on_screen into the safe zone, and possibly use keystone correction (not lens shift) to compensate.
Lens shift IS already being used since the lens is not in the center of the screen.

^^^ Please concur if this is correct.:) ^^^

Now, with the scenario above being used as an example...
Let's say the lens is in perfect alignment with the top and or bottom of the screen...
This will make using vertical lens shift necessary.

Is there any way to still use any horizontal lens shift too, or is that out of the question since the lens is already at the extreme end of the criteria for using the lens memory feature?

I am bit confussed now...

I had read in the ae3000 owners thread that the center of lens had to be within 10" max of the edge of screen for lens memory setup.

I really wish we could get some hard intel on this issue.

Smarty-pants

10-24-09, 11:12 PM

That is correct. The lens memory relies on digital, not physical, lens shift. Once the center of the lens is outside the boundaries, then you can only recenter the image via physical shift. The sketch below shows what happens when the lens sits outside the screen edge of the 16x9 screen (yellow area). When you zoom out for 2.35, then the bottom edge is no longer aligned.

I don't think you can use horizontal shift. Has to be centered.

Thanks you so much for that.:)
At first, your graph was very confusing, then I realized that the circles represent the "circular lens shift", and then everything clicked.
It perfectly illustrates why no horizontal lens shift is possible when maxing out the vertical lens shift.
It was hard for me to realize how this projector works, since my other projector's lens shift functions are rectangular, and not circular.

Smarty-pants

10-24-09, 11:14 PM

I am bit confussed now...

I had read in the ae3000 owners thread that the center of lens had to be within 10" max of the edge of screen for lens memory setup.

I really wish we could get some hard intel on this issue.

That is a good question if what you say is true.
Your scenario also opens up the possibility for horizontal lens shift for my scenario above.
Hopefully we CAN get a concrete answer as to exactly how far the lens shift will go while still meeting the protocol of the lens memory feature.

rmerlano

10-24-09, 11:33 PM

I want to buy this projector and I would like to know if it could do a great job with 1080p movies in a 150" screen size. I have an elite screen matte white with 1.1 gain in a completely dark Home theater.

I´ll appreciate all the help and advices.

Regards.

RM

Mark II

10-24-09, 11:51 PM

RapalloAV

10-25-09, 12:54 AM

rmerlano

10-25-09, 01:07 AM

Yes I have used the PT-AE3000 on a 150" screen and its fine, the PT-AE4000 should even be better!

Thank you RapalloAV!! It´s great to know this!! :D:D

Somebody else want to share their experience with this big screen size??

Cheers!

RapalloAV

10-25-09, 01:14 AM

In regard to the different aspect ratios and the ability for the 4000 to zoom between them would this scenario be possible? With an electric 16x9 screen, could you raise it up enough to change the aspect of the screen to say 2.35 and the projector raise and zoom the image to fit the new position of the screen? Sorta like masking but the image would have to shift up a little as well.
Just a thought....

Yes but thats CW and not zooming out to fill a scope screen. With your method there is no zoom so no increase in size of image for 2.35 films. All you would be doing in shifting the image up or down a bit to where you stop the screen.

I use two motorized screens, a 120" 16:9 screen and a 150" 2.35 screen.
This method allows a much larger 16:9 screen when watching 16:9 material but still a very impressive scope.

1. I use just the larger 16:9 screen for all 16:9 films only.
2. I use the 2.35 screen for both 16:9/2.35 mixed content.

When I play logos and trailers at the start of a movie thats scope 2.35, I just use the scope screen only for the 16:9 / 2.35 mixed material.

RapalloAV

10-25-09, 01:40 AM

navnut

10-25-09, 06:47 AM

frank1940

10-25-09, 09:19 AM

That is a good question if what you say is true.
Your scenario also opens up the possibility for horizontal lens shift for my scenario above.
Hopefully we CAN get a concrete answer as to exactly how far the lens shift will go while still meeting the protocol of the lens memory feature.

I am NOT yet an owner of either the AE3000 or the AE4000. However, I have been reading the AE-3000 for about a year and the two AE4000 threads since the AE4000 announcement. (I do intend on purchasing an AE4000 in the next few months and am currently doing the design work to modify my HT to accommodate it.)

From my reading, it appears that the AE3000 does not have a problem doing the anamorphic zoom from 16:9 to 2.35 if the lens is within the confines of the screen. If you get outside of this area, you are looking for a problem in getting it to work properly. Unfortunately, the designers of the AE3000 are confined by the laws of physics and these laws do limit what is achievable. I also suspect that the AE4000 optical path is virtually identical to the AE3000 so it will have the same limitation as its earlier brethren.

I also recognize that many would like to use the AE4000 outside of the window that the AE3000 users found would work. There may well be combinations of screen size, projector distance and user acceptance (of satisfactory results) that will allow the projector to be placed a FEW inches outside of that general recommendation. But that is pushing the limits of the envelope and what may work in one case may not work in the next one. Do you really want to purchase a $2000 projector and find that it won't work in a situation where the envelope breaks? I am sure that the readers of the owners thread would like to read of your failure! ;)

However, I propose that you consider redesigning your theater to meet the conditions that the AE3000 owners found would work. Look at ways and positions to mount the projector to place in the proper location. Consider moving your screen. Evaluate furniture placement so that you can't walk into the projector. Consider tilting both screen and projector so that your setup is within usage limitation. (Remember that the "area" of the screen that the projector must be inside is perpendicular to the surface of the screen. There were a few AE3000 owners who did tilt their screen to accommodate the requirements.)

I hope that everyone who has the position problem has already evaluated the distance-to-screen limitation that the zooming feature imposes. You can find the formulas for calculating this limitation in the AE4000 manual which is available online.

It is my opinion that using the AE4000 (or any projector setup) for a CIH setup will require that the room be tailored to fit the projector and its limitations. You will probably never be able to buy a system at BB or Walmart as a impulse item, and cart it home, unpack, setup it in any room in your home and have it work properly. That is my opinion......

Joseph Clark

10-25-09, 09:40 AM

However, I propose that you consider redesigning your theater to meet the conditions that the AE3000 owners found would work. Look at ways and positions to mount the projector to place in the proper location. Consider moving your screen. Evaluate furniture placement so that you can't walk into the projector. Consider tilting both screen and projector so that your setup is within usage limitation. (Remember that the "area" of the screen that the projector must be inside is perpendicular to the surface of the screen. There were a few AE3000 owners who did tilt their screen to accommodate the requirements.)

This is good advice no matter what screen AR you're considering. I have a fixed DaLite High Power 16x9 screen that required me to reposition my projector. It allowed me to go with a 110" screen for my Sharp 20k. A low gain Stewart Firehawk screen was too dim. I have a friend who had to rearrange furniture and his existing audio gear (huge amounts of it in that space) to accommodate a projector. With a little imagination and effort, some things you never thought possible become do-able.

Much as I like the idea of the automatic zoom for 2.40:1, it's very unlikely I'll be able to use it in my space. My problem is that I don't have enough width for a scope screen, unless I go much smaller for 16x9. Fortunately, the dark walls, ceiling and floor make the scope letterbox bars more tolerable.

frank1940

10-25-09, 12:05 PM

Wow RappalloAV that is such a cool method.

I dont have a home cinema yet but i was thinking of getting the PT AE4000 and buying a decent 16:9 screen probably in the region of £400. But also try to paint a cinemascope aspect ratio on the wall behind the 16:9 screen. Kind of like what you have done with your screens, but presumably more affordable.
What make of screens are you using and how much are they.
How much space have you left in-between your screens?
Apologies if you have already given this information.

Also can anyone comment on the black levels of this years £2000/$3000 projectors. Are we at a point where the black level of this price range are nearing the old JVC RS1 without using their dynamic irises.

Have you looked at the DIY Screen Section which is a sub-section of the Screen Thread? There are a host of solutions for DIY screens which could be employed to fit your needs, budget, and tastes.

A second thing to remember is that the AE4000 when projecting a 16:9 picture on a 2.35:1 screen, the 'outside' edges of the wider screen will receive only the ambient light and the reflected light. The projector itself will throw no light on them Thus, these edges may be very close to black with the proper room configurations. However, any 4:3 material will have illuminated 'sidebars that will probably be visible during dark screens.

I can easily see where the double screen concept will work well when the required projector position prevents a single screen solution. That is to say, the two screens are positioned so that they meet the requirements, or limitations, (depending on your viewpoint) of the projector.

IndianaGeorge

10-25-09, 12:21 PM

I will use two motorized screens like this with the PT-AE4000 (see att).

1. Front Screen 120" 16x9 which rolls over the back of the roller.
2. Back Screen 150" 2.35 which rolls over the front of the roller.

Both screens are very close to each other but this doesn't matter now with the PT-AE4000, it will remember the focus of the screens no matter how far apart they are.Are you sure that's a 16x9 (1.78) and not a 1.85 AR screen? By my calculations a 16x9 120" screen has almost exactly the same height as a 2.35 150" screen. Seems like most of the advantage in your case of having two screens is in having them perfectly masked off. Obviously, in your pictures it can be seen that the height of the 2.35 screen is somewhat less than the other, but this would be the case if the other screen were a 1.85 120" diagonal. Cool setup regardless:cool:

RapalloAV

10-25-09, 01:11 PM

Are you sure that's a 16x9 (1.78) and not a 1.85 AR screen? By my calculations a 16x9 120" screen has almost exactly the same height as a 2.35 150" screen. Seems like most of the advantage in your case of having two screens is in having them perfectly masked off. Obviously, in your pictures it can be seen that the height of the 2.35 screen is somewhat less than the other, but this would be the case if the other screen were a 1.85 120" diagonal. Cool setup regardless:cool:

The two measurements I gave are not exactly the true measurement, but very close within an inch. For this purpose of explaining the system it was easier to keep it simple.

Using two screens can help people HEAPS who have concerns over the zoom envelope area. My projector is mounted a fair way above the top of my screens as the ceiling is very high for a modern property. The top of the16x9 screen sits a bit higher than the top of the scope screen, this is the fix for the zoom envelope in my setup.

The same thing could be done with a fixed scope screen and say a motorized drop down 16x9 screen in front. There are more ways than one to skin a cat.;)

RapalloAV

10-25-09, 01:18 PM

Wow RappalloAV that is such a cool method.

I dont have a home cinema yet but i was thinking of getting the PT AE4000 and buying a decent 16:9 screen probably in the region of £400. But also try to paint a cinemascope aspect ratio on the wall behind the 16:9 screen. Kind of like what you have done with your screens, but presumably more affordable.
What make of screens are you using and how much are they.
How much space have you left in-between your screens?
Apologies if you have already given this information.

Also can anyone comment on the black levels of this years £2000/$3000 projectors. Are we at a point where the black level of this price range are nearing the old JVC RS1 without using their dynamic irises.

Both my screens were made for me, both the 16x9 and 2.35 with a much larger than normal roller. Also the 2.35 screens roller is made of steel so its a heavy beast. They were expensive but the same could be done in other ways for less money.

My two screens are approx 3/4 inch apart, but they could be anything if you use the PT-AE3000 or 4000.

Again the same thing can be done with a fixed scope screen on the wall and a drop down 16x9 in front at whatever size you want, that way both ratios are perfectly masked.

chim_chim

10-25-09, 08:06 PM

Most projectors have had a price half life of about nine months. That means that nine months after introduction they are selling at half their original price.

However that was not true of the Panny AE3000. It held its intial price while its competitors dropped their prices. Panasonic now introduces the AE4000 at a much lower price and again it seems to be the model to which all others under $5k will be compared.

I expect that Mitsubishi, Epson, Optoma and Benq will drop their prices rapidly over the next few months while the industry leading Panny model will continue to sell at list - about $2k.

This "price half-life" equation seems like a total SWAG, with more WAG than S. :)

Maybe over 18 months, and in a certain price bracket...

Agni

10-25-09, 10:25 PM

End of October has approached. Anyone have any info on when these will ship? I just ordered mine on projector people yesterday.

Varrius

10-26-09, 11:12 AM

End of October has approached. Anyone have any info on when these will ship? I just ordered mine on projector people yesterday.

Me too, can't wait. No idea when it's suppose to ship. I probably won't follow up until I start hearing about people receiving them on here.

rayr129

10-26-09, 11:28 AM

Spoke to PP this morning; they have approximately 250 people in line waiting for the projector.

They said that Last week Panasonic said it was ready to ship and it only takes 2 days to reach PP from Japan.

They have there fingers crossed they will be at PP's warehouse this week.

ZenithPete

10-26-09, 12:20 PM

It seems everyone is ordering from the same few places.....good reputable dealers, but I am betting there will be plenty available right away at other etailers for those who didn't preorder.

AugDog

10-26-09, 12:20 PM

End of October has approached. Anyone have any info on when these will ship? I just ordered mine on projector people yesterday.

Sold my AE700 three weeks ago and going out of my mind waiting. Theater is spick and span though in anticipation. Anyone talk to VA today about timing? Ah, back to daydreaming about what movie to premiere on the new projector.

Mr2Spyder

10-26-09, 01:28 PM

I have the ae2000 and just preordered the ae4000. Is it worth the upgrade or am I wasting my money?

mike2060

10-26-09, 02:35 PM

In Canada it is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks.

ZenithPete

10-26-09, 03:14 PM

In Canada it is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks.

double the price, and double the wait......ouch

Darth Indy

10-26-09, 03:33 PM

I have the ae2000 and just preordered the ae4000. Is it worth the upgrade or am I wasting my money?

Should be a huge upgrade as I went from a ae2000 to an ae3000u and it was a significant upgrade. Everything from colors, depth, pop, clarity, were better and the frame interpolation modes on some movies was stunning 3d like.

dan webster

10-26-09, 03:59 PM

i also went from a 2000 to a 3000 it waS a huge improvement i dont think the 4000 will be as big an improvement from the review i read I think i will skip the upgrade this time and wait for the 5000.

donkie

10-26-09, 05:41 PM

Sold my AE700 three weeks ago and going out of my mind waiting. Theater is spick and span though in anticipation. Anyone talk to VA today about timing? Ah, back to daydreaming about what movie to premiere on the new projector.

I talked to Visual Apex late this afternoon, they are awaiting the tracking information from Panasonic. Once the status changes it will be updated on the website and all preorders will be notified. Let the waiting continue...it will be any day now :cool:

xorbe

10-26-09, 05:41 PM

AugDog

10-26-09, 05:59 PM

Here's my personal summary for me this vs the 8500UB:

Panny: more options/features, $500 less.
Epson: better warranty, brighter dynamic mode (1800 vs 1362).

I don't think I use the pj enough to exit Panny's warranty early.
Save $500, or 32% more living room lumens? Decisions!!! :(

I have a dedicated room, thought my AE700 was great, and I really like smoothscreen as well, so no brainer for me. I was going to buy a 3000 when the 4000 came out to save some bucks, but the price point on the 4000 changed that. We are lucky to have such decisions to make.

Agni

10-26-09, 06:32 PM

I currently have an AE900 with a lamp that is getting pretty dim. I'm hoping there will be a big difference between the 900 and 4000.

Mr2Spyder

10-26-09, 07:29 PM

I have the ae900 and it blows compared to the ae2000 so you wil be happy with the ae4000 assuming the ae4000 is all that bro.

alanr

10-26-09, 08:58 PM

I too have been a happy ae900 owner, and have been chomping at the bit to upgrade to the 3000, until one day last week I noticed the 4000 announcement! I did a little catch up reading about it, and decided to take the plunge! I hope I'll get the same trouble free operation out of this unit too...

imbmom

10-26-09, 09:49 PM

I have a screen size question maybe someone can help me with.

Will this projector be bright enough for a 136" Carada BW 2.35 screen?

room: 19'w x25'd light controlled
throw: 13-14'
seating: 13-14'

Is this size screen too ambitious?

First projector here...so thanks for the help.

AugDog

10-26-09, 10:02 PM

Do these projectors have firmware that will need to be updated? I was on the first shipment the 700 and never did update, if it was even possible. Just curious.

RapalloAV

10-26-09, 10:06 PM

RapalloAV

10-26-09, 10:06 PM

Do these projectors have firmware that will need to be updated? I was on the first shipment the 700 and never did update, if it was even possible. Just curious.

None that Ive ever seen.

imbmom

10-26-09, 11:00 PM

I will say its fine. The PT-AE3000 would do it on Normal and the PT-AE4000 should be better!

Thanks for the insight!

boykster

10-27-09, 01:22 AM

I talked to Visual Apex late this afternoon, they are awaiting the tracking information from Panasonic. Once the status changes it will be updated on the website and all preorders will be notified. Let the waiting continue...it will be any day now :cool:

Same thing here - I pinged them over the weekend and they got back to me with the same story.

Bronco70

10-27-09, 01:31 AM

The Firmware update question is an interesting one.

It would seem that pj's are, in general, not easy to update by the end user.

As opposed to so many other AV devices.

My original 60G PS3 has had more updates than I can remember. The same could be stated for all of the D* boxes over the years. Heck even the OPPO 83 from last spring has had a few. Oh, the ROKU box, yep that too. And the recently added into the second room Denon 3808.

Searching the AE3000 thread did not reveal any FW issues. Past results indicate future performance?

Joe

joshmvf

10-27-09, 03:15 AM

Same thing here - I pinged them over the weekend and they got back to me with the same story.

lol, I called them today as well so I'm sure they just love talking to all of us wondering when they will be in.

Cashstore

10-27-09, 07:12 AM

Bob Whitefield

10-27-09, 07:39 AM

I'm buying/ordering this projector today. I notice on the ...
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm
webiste they have the zoom at 1.5x, half between 1x and 2x zoom possible. I'm assuming they do this on purpose for max movement/adjustment of the picture. I've also been told the 'picture quality' gets better the more you zoom in, as it uses mostly the middle of the lens (better quality) than the whole lens (more imperfections). Also, lumens drop as we zoom.

Just wanted to check my understanding. I'm looking for a 120' screen at 15ft throw, in a batcave, making sure it is bright enough (and maybe can be run on theatre black 1, etc).

Final question: I've heard picture quality gets better as your projector gets dropped from the ceiling, i.e. 1 ft drop from lens to top of screen is much better than 3 ft. Any truth to that?

The zoom is adjustable in the calculator to whatever you need it to be. Set it to fill your screen at the required distance.

Closer distance doesn't mean better picture quality, but does mean a brighter image. Greater throw distance is dimmer, but has better contrast. Where you put the projector is usually determined by more important factors, such as making sure the projector is behind your seating position.

"Theatre black 1" is an Epson setting, we don't allow that kind of language here. ;) Cinema 1 is what you probably want on the AE4000. You will have no trouble with a 120" screen at 15' in a dark room, plenty bright.

If you want to use the lens memory feature in a Constant Image Height setup with a 2.35 aspect screen, then the projector needs to be no higher than the top of the screen. Otherwise the 2.35 and 1.78 images can't both be centered.

If you don't have a screen yet, my advice is to get the biggest 2.35 screen you might possibly want. Nothing is worse than finding you would have been happier with a larger screen. Maybe experiment on the wall first when you get the AE4000, then buy a screen.

Terminator840

10-27-09, 07:55 AM

I am in the same boat, I am looking at 15 to 15.5 ft throw on to my screen wall which is about 135" wide. I am shooting for 120" CIH screen, but I am going to experiment with the projector and maybe try to go a little bit wider on the wall. I am probably going to start out by painting a screen on the wall. Then later on actually get a screen, unless I am really happy with the painted wall. This will all be new to me as the 4000 will be my first projector.

Cashstore

10-27-09, 08:58 AM

dabagboy

10-27-09, 08:59 AM

Where you put the projector is usually determined by more important factors, such as making sure the projector is behind your seating position.

Hi Bob - Why?

I planned on hanging the PJ @ 13' - right over my first row of seats to shoot a 130" image, as my second row at 18' was a bit too far to be "bright" at 130" diag 16:9 according to
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Should I move back to above or behind my second row? why?

Joseph Clark

10-27-09, 09:22 AM

Hi Bob - Why?

I planned on hanging the PJ @ 13' - right over my first row of seats to shoot a 130" image, as my second row at 18' was a bit too far to be "bright" at 130" diag 16:9 according to
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Panasonic-PT-AE4000U-projection-calculator-pro.htm

Should I move back to above or behind my second row? why?

For a DaLite High Power screen, having the projector in front of the viewers is preferred. Screen gain uniformity is better with the HP if the viewers are behind (not that it's bad with the projector situated behind). A shorter throw should also make for a brighter image.

Kilroy

10-27-09, 09:33 AM

If you want to use the lens memory feature in a Constant Image Height setup with a 2.35 aspect screen, then the projector needs to be no higher than the top of the screen. Otherwise the 2.35 and 1.78 images can't both be centered.

Bob, can you (or anyone else) point me to some more information about this? I'd like to learn more about it. I'm in the middle of planning my CIH theater build, and the AE4000 is my first choice. I want to make sure I get the projector placement right. I had thought that the AE4000's tweakable features (e.g., lens shift) would not require that the projector lens be at or below the top of the screen to be able to effectively switch between 2.35 and 16:9 with the zoom memory feature.

ICBM99

10-27-09, 09:33 AM

appreciate the replies. I have a couple problems, though.

1) I can't position the projector behind the seats, because my room is only 19' long, and I need every inch I can get (that's what she said). I'll have one set of eyes at 12.5ft and another at 16.5ft. My ceiling is only 8ft tall, so where do I want my projector. I was thinking at 15ft in, 7 ft high.

2) I won't be doing CIH as I have limited width available, and at the end of the day very few films are actually at 2.35. I know there is some dispute over whether this will change in the future, but can someone name 10 films made in the last year that are 2.35. And don't mention Transformers, as I won't be watching that crap.

Looking at Blu-Ray Stats, and using the filters (I can't seem to get both last year and aspect ratio at the same time) There are 930 BD's in 1.78 or 1.85, and 760 in 2.35 or greater. Or 55% for 16x9 and 45% for scope. That is for only "widescreen" movies. You might want to pick some of your favorites and find out which ratio they were actually filmed in.

Bob Whitefield

10-27-09, 09:37 AM

1) I can't position the projector behind the seats, because my room is only 19' long, and I need every inch I can get (that's what she said). I'll have one set of eyes at 12.5ft and another at 16.5ft. My ceiling is only 8ft tall, so where do I want my projector. I was thinking at 15ft in, 7 ft high.
That sounds good, I assume you'll normally sit in the front row, so the projector will be behind you?

dabagboy, to answer your question, the main reasons to put the projector behind you are light leakage and noise. The AE4000 is very quiet, so the second is probably not an issue, but the fewer distractions in your theater, the better.

2) I won't be doing CIH as I have limited width available, and at the end of the day very few films are actually at 2.35. I know there is some dispute over whether this will change in the future, but can someone name 10 films made in the last year that are 2.35. And don't mention Transformers, as I won't be watching that crap.
Have to disagree with you here. I find a third of the new releases I watch are in 2.35 (actually 2.39 or 2.40 in most cases). Of course that could be my taste, most of my wife's chick flicks are 1.85.

Here's a link to 102 Blu-ray 2.35 aspect films released since 2008...
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/search.php?keyword=&studioid=&videocodec=&disc=&yearfrom=2008&yearto=&regioncoding=&aspectratio=2.35%253A1&aspectratio_original=&audio=&subtitles=&synopsis=&submit=Search&action=search