Hey guys,

wondering about the panny 4000, as are many right now. The deal is obviously amazing when you think of the features. My question is this:

I feel in love with a sim2 3000e when I first saw it. The depth and 3D image were amazing. At the beginning of "300" the numbers looked like they were floating in mid air! On one of the STAR WARS space fighting scenes, the depth looked so real you could almost fall into the picture.

Are there low budget PJ's that have even alittle bit of that 3 dimensionalism? Don't get me wrong, I am not looking for a direct comparison, I know the Sim2 is crazy good and should be for the money they get. What I am really wondering is if an LCD like the new panny coming out, would throw a picture with some depth. I also realize it's DLP vs. LCD and DLP is known for it's great depth but am curious if there is "any" of that fantastic depth going on with the newer panny's.

Other suggestions are also welcome if you think the panny won't fit the bill but something else will.

Thanks,

Lance

Why guess? Wait until you can see one in person and go see it. Otherwise order it online from a place that will let you return it.

-- jaydillyo

I've no idea if it will achieve the same pop as a SIM2 (though I somehow doubt it will be that good IMHO). But you do realise that to achieve the kind of ANSI contrast that gives the depth or 'pop' will require a room with very dark walls (not just no ambient light) otherwise you'll never get that effect due to image washout?

The panny has good 'pop' for an LCD or DILA/SXRD as it has ANSI contrast over 400, whereas the DILA/SXRD have ANSI contrast in the 200s. This is important in mid and high brightness scenes. I noticed a substantial improvement over my Sony Ruby.

DLP's ANSI contrast can be much higher, approaching 600 to 800 in some instances...more 'pop'.

The JVCs excel in very low light scenes, due to high on/off contrast, which the panny and DLPs can't really match.

Its a tradeoff that you have to decide on.
Paul

Really? I am really starting to consider getting the 4000 over the JVC's more and more. I haven't seen either in person, but I can't believe the Panny has more ANSI contrast than the JVC's and they are a substantial improvement over the Ruby (which I have seen in person).

The thing that scares me about the JVC's is the motion artifacts. The thing that scares me about DLP is rainbows. If the main problem with the Panny is the black levels aren't quite as good, I can live with that more than other more glaring problems. I have heard they can get dust blobs in them. Can you blow them out? Anything else "bad" about the Panny's?

Thanks,
Mike

I've no idea if it will achieve the same pop as a SIM2 (though I somehow doubt it will be that good IMHO). But you do realise that to achieve the kind of ANSI contrast that gives the depth or 'pop' will require a room with very dark walls (not just no ambient light) otherwise you'll never get that effect due to image washout?

Thanks for the insight. No worries on the room. The leading edge of the ceiling will be black, dark carpet, completely light controlled and chocolate on the walls. Furniture will also be a darker color. The room should soak up light like a black hole.

Really? I am really starting to consider getting the 4000 over the JVC's more and more. I haven't seen either in person, but I can't believe the Panny has more ANSI contrast than the JVC's and they are a substantial improvement over the Ruby (which I have seen in person).

The thing that scares me about the JVC's is the motion artifacts. The thing that scares me about DLP is rainbows. If the main problem with the Panny is the black levels aren't quite as good, I can live with that more than other more glaring problems. I have heard they can get dust blobs in them. Can you blow them out? Anything else "bad" about the Panny's?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike,

I am still a novice but from what I have read the rainbow sensative group is an extremely small one, maybe a percent. If you like the DLP then grab one. I actually love the look of the DLP, the "pop" or 3d image is fantastic, I just don't know if I can get one with the picture quality of the panny 4000, especially at that price. Then there is the auto zoom for 2.4 to 1 which is fantastic. Since I will be putting up a new screen (around 120"), I am going 2.4.

Lance

The panny has good 'pop' for an LCD or DILA/SXRD as it has ANSI contrast over 400, whereas the DILA/SXRD have ANSI contrast in the 200s. This is important in mid and high brightness scenes. I noticed a substantial improvement over my Sony Ruby.

DLP's ANSI contrast can be much higher, approaching 600 to 800 in some instances...more 'pop'.

The JVCs excel in very low light scenes, due to high on/off contrast, which the panny and DLPs can't really match.

Its a tradeoff that you have to decide on.
Paul

Paul,

Thanks for the reply. Funny you mention the JVC because the used RS1's are now around that 2K mark. I wonder how an RS1 with a fresh bulb would fair against the new Panny 4000?

Lance

It would destroy it except for frame interpolation (if you want it), it has oversaturated colors and it doesn't have a memory zoom feature. It should be brighter, have a higher contrast ratio and be sharper. I know what the Panny is rated but the Panny's specs are all marketing. Check the specs on the AE3000 vs what it was measured at.....

Full disclosure, I'm still sitting on an RS1 that I've been too lazy to sell but will at some point...

It would destroy it except for frame interpolation (if you want it), it has oversaturated colors and it doesn't have a memory zoom feature. It should be brighter, have a higher contrast ratio and be sharper. I know what the Panny is rated but the Panny's specs are all marketing. Check the specs on the AE3000 vs what it was measured at.....

Full disclosure, I'm still sitting on an RS1 that I've been too lazy to sell but will at some point...

Could you please clarify your post? What would destroy what? You use "It" a lot and I am never sure which one you are referring to. I am not sure which you think is better. Thanks.

Mike,

I am still a novice but from what I have read the rainbow sensative group is an extremely small one, maybe a percent. If you like the DLP then grab one. I actually love the look of the DLP, the "pop" or 3d image is fantastic, I just don't know if I can get one with the picture quality of the panny 4000, especially at that price. Then there is the auto zoom for 2.4 to 1 which is fantastic. Since I will be putting up a new screen (around 120"), I am going 2.4.

Lance


I saw DLP (Benq 720p) once in a friend's theater and it looked great and I did not notice any rainbows. I don't know what to look for and I purposely never investigated how to see rainbows because once you see them, you will always see them (at least that is how it is with most things). My fear is that if I get DLP, I will eventually see rainbows and it will drive me crazy.

Mike

Paul,

Thanks for the reply. Funny you mention the JVC because the used RS1's are now around that 2K mark. I wonder how an RS1 with a fresh bulb would fair against the new Panny 4000?

Lance

Could you please clarify your post? What would destroy what? You use "It" a lot and I am never sure which one you are referring to. I am not sure which you think is better. Thanks.

I think the RS1 would be brighter, sharper and have a better contrast ratio than the Panny.

When you say the colors are oversaturated is it extreme? The auto zoom isn't a deal breaker if the pop is significantly better. Maybe a used rs1 would be a good choice.

Most people who seek "amazing 3D pop" look for a DLP projector, not a LCD.

Most people who seek "amazing 3D pop" look for a DLP projector, not a LCD.

I have not seen this projector myself, but certain members I corresponded with that were at Cedia this year, were pleasantly surprised as to the 3d like quality and wow, when they saw the Mitsubishi HC3800 in action.

Once again I have not seen it, and I am sure it probably will not give you the 3d quality of the SIM you described, but the feedback on this new PJ is consistent with Art's review and very positive indeed.

Just something to keep in mind if you are looking for a PJ within budget that has that 3d pop.

Thanks

Dave

BenQ W5000
BenQ W6000
Optoma HD8200
Optoma HD8600
Sharp XV-Z15000

To name a few DLPs that might be in your price range. The W5000 is a very nice machine and if you can find one (I think they're discontinued) it might even be cheaper than the AE4000.

BenQ W5000
BenQ W6000
Optoma HD8200
Optoma HD8600
Sharp XV-Z15000

To name a few DLPs that might be in your price range. The W5000 is a very nice machine and if you can find one (I think they're discontinued) it might even be cheaper than the AE4000.

I would absolutely love to find a decently priced W5000 but it is almost not possible unless you are willing to pay a high premium. Until then the Panny is looking better and better.

I wish I would have had the money when BenQ had the refurb w5000 for a little over 1k. Oh well I guess/hope everything happens for a reason :)

I saw DLP (Benq 720p) once in a friend's theater and it looked great and I did not notice any rainbows. I don't know what to look for and I purposely never investigated how to see rainbows because once you see them, you will always see them (at least that is how it is with most things). My fear is that if I get DLP, I will eventually see rainbows and it will drive me crazy.

Mike

I have found just the opposite. When I first got a DLP projector (Optoma HD70), I would see rainbows at times, and get kind of a funky feeling. After a while, this went totally away and I would have to dart my eyes back and forth on purpose to see rainbows. When I upgraded to an HD80 with a faster 6x color wheel, any hint of them was gone. I have heard one's brain gets used to things and compensates. Obviously, certain people are more prone to seeing rainbows than others. I've shown movies to maybe thirty people and no one has ever complained about seeing rainbows or had any other problem. I am a total DLP fan now.

DLP certainly does have the market cornered on the "POP". I will never forget seeing my first Sim2 3000e, holy crap. I had to check and see if I had my 3d glasses on. Everything just floated out in front of the screen. And the background looked so far away. The frame of the screen looked like a window you could fall into. I will never forget it.


But of course it should be amazing for what they cost.

So what is the latest and greatest bang for the buck with super fast colorwheel DLP that everyone recommends? I may check it out before pulling the trigger on my new projector.

Thanks,
Mike

[QUOTE=DooLocsta;17360500]I would absolutely love to find a decently priced W5000 but it is almost not possible unless you are willing to pay a high premium. Until then the Panny is looking better and better.

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Where I live, the W5000 is being sold at almost half price of what it was a week ago. Slighly cheaper than the new HD20 and HC3800's! This is relative pricing of course.