Why even get a Plasma with the fear of getting a burn in, why not just buy a LCD LED?

How's your new LG 55LH40?

I took it back, I'am saving up to get the 55LH90 or the panasonic tcp58s1, and I wanted to know if I do get the panasonic tcp58s1, will it get a burn in?

You have to be pretty stupid to get burn in on today's sets. Stupid in cranking up the color and brightness and setting it in Vivid mode and leaving it there. Yes, you can burn a plasma but you have to work at it.

You have to be pretty stupid to get burn in on today's sets. Stupid in cranking up the color and brightness and setting it in Vivid mode and leaving it there. Yes, you can burn a plasma but you have to work at it.

I never used the vivid mode on my old HD tv, so that nothing to worry about, how high can the brightness be on the set, do the Plasma get as much light in to the picture as in the LED's?

I took it back, I'am saving up to get the 55LH90 or the panasonic tcp58s1, and I wanted to know if I do get the panasonic tcp58s1, will it get a burn in?

Check this out.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-55lh90/4505-6482_7-33485569.html

When I saw the LED display at BB, I wasn't impressed. It's possible that it wasn't calibrated well. The plasma is what captured my attention. "The Wild" on bluray was being played and pic quality was stunning. Check again.

Ask them to play the same source on different sets until you're able to decide. Keep us posted. :)

Good luck!

I already saw that review....

Does anyone have an example of a modern plasma exhibiting burn-in? I've seen very few old ones, and no new ones.

Michael

You have to be pretty stupid to get burn in on today's sets. Stupid in cranking up the color and brightness and setting it in Vivid mode and leaving it there. Yes, you can burn a plasma but you have to work at it.

The brightness and the colour wont cause burn in. It is the contrast in "vivid mode" that could cause burn in.

You have to be pretty stupid to get burn in on today's sets. Stupid in cranking up the color and brightness and setting it in Vivid mode and leaving it there. Yes, you can burn a plasma but you have to work at it.

Not stupid, just uninformed. I saw a Panasonic less than a year old last week with clear burn-in of banners at the bottom. The customer never knew that using it on vivid and watching the same thing all day was a problem.

The fact is that phosphors age. Not as much of a problem as a few years ago, but if you leave a static pattern on for too long you will get differential aging.

Not stupid, just uninformed. I saw a Panasonic less than a year old last week with clear burn-in of banners at the bottom. The customer never knew that using it on vivid and watching the same thing all day was a problem.

The fact is that phosphors age. Not as much of a problem as a few years ago, but if you leave a static pattern on for too long you will get differential aging.
Differential aging is the politically correct way of saying burn-in.

Our company uses three professional series Panasonic plasmas at its control tower in Memphis. These units have the pixel shifting function set to automatic. All three have been displaying a static image showing train movements since January 2008.

We used one to do a quick powerpoint display a few weeks ago. Even with pixel shifting I was fairly certain we would see parts of the static image as either IR or burn-in. To my surprise, when we went to a dark screen before starting the presentation, there was zero IR, burn in, anything. These were 10g screens and I don't know all of the extras Panasonic includes with the pro models not found on the consumer models. Units are much heavier than consumer models. My previous plasma was a 42" 60U from 2006 (9G) which weighed approximately 60 pounds. The pro models in the tower are 42" also but weigh closer to 80 pounds.

Also never had any burn in or IR on my 42" plasma which did not have any type of pixel shifting. Never let the machine sit with static images all day, but did watch a considerable amount of SD TV with black bars on the side in the first year as there was still very little HD on local Comcast.

Seems that consumer models suffer from trade offs in the design of the units. Energy efficiency is now more important than in the past and plasma has never been known for efficiency in this area.

Cheaping out of the power supplies in current units gets energy star ratings, but causes issues for sets in presenting white whites. The units also tend to buzz when the power supplies are stressed by being asked to produce mostly white content.

If you can live with the pq and the buzzing, the positives are that plasmas are cheaper to operate - you'll likely not see a big jump in your power bill. They also generate less excess heat.

Burn-in/image retention has been greatly improved over the years. With typical use, the modern sets should not be subject to long term image retention.

As always, there are exceptions. Gaming produces the most risk to plasmas for burn-in/retention. 4:3 content also presents a risk, if viewed exclusively or extensively. Even HD channels with ever present crawl lines or logos present some risk - if left on for days on end.

Differential aging is the politically correct way of saying burn-in.

I don't use the term to be politically correct. I find it more accurately describes the process that creates the problem and distinguishes clearly from short term image retention. There is much confusion on the issue and I prefer to be more informative and precise.

Simply yes all plasmas can get burn-in so can LCDs when abused properly.

I have a Sammy PN63B550 and I'm semi-careful with it. No burn-in of course. My neighbor, however, has an LG plasma, a cheaper one that doesn't even have pixel shift or any anti-burn-in features. He doesn't even know what burn-in is. He treats his plasma like it was a CRT. He also doesn't have a hint of burn-in. Is it possible? Yes. It's unlikely and nothing to worry about.

To my surprise, when we went to a dark screen before starting the presentation, there was zero IR, burn in, anything.

Probably because the long term issue isn't that the static image has burnt itself in to the display, but that the pixels exposed to the static image have worn at an accelerated rate. The orbiter will help here to an extent.

Try an all gray screen and see what you see...

Check this out.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-55lh90/4505-6482_7-33485569.html

When I saw the LED display at BB, I wasn't impressed. It's possible that it wasn't calibrated well. The plasma is what captured my attention. "The Wild" on bluray was being played and pic quality was stunning. Check again.

Ask them to play the same source on different sets until you're able to decide. Keep us posted. :)

Good luck!
Most TVs on display are never properly calibrated. I went to see the Panasonic S1 at BB and it looked horrible.

I think the only way to get burn-in these days is if you use it as a PC monitor for long periods of time. You might get temporary image retention but it should go away quickly.

Simply yes all plasmas can get burn-in so can LCDs when abused properly.

abused properly...I like that line. I'll remember it the next time I have to calibrate a user.