Please help me decide between these for my new theater setup. Any other 65" or greater model suggestions will be welcomed.

Currently I have it down to the two larger commercially available models:

Panasonic TC-P65V10 (PLASMA) vs. Samsung LN65B650 (LCD)

Some gen. info. for differences:

PANASONIC
Plasma; 2,000,000:1 CR dynamic (native 40,000:1); 24p;LAN/4HDMI; THX cert; many other nifty things like deep color, x.v. color, studio ref mode, pro setting, 3D y/c comb filter, subpixel control, NR, RS232C



SAMSUNG:
LCD; 120Hz; 100,000:1 CR dynamic ms response time; 4 HDMI/LAN/2 USB


What are your suggestions or comments regarding these two models and which would you personally choose. Price is not a factor here, I rather a better picture for viewing BD, DVD, and regular TV.


Any other suggestions for large size models that compare that are under $10k ?

The V10 is VASTLY superior.

I'm kind of in the same situation although price is a factor for me. Are you definitely wanting flat panel or have you thought about DLP at all? I have a friend who just bought the V10 and I can say it definitely does not disappoint although for me the price is a little bit more than I was wanting to spend. My focus has been on the new 82" DLP from Mitsubishi although it's price is very similar to the v10 (but much more screen area). I've about decided to go with the upper tier 73" Mitsu mainly based on price and screen size. Having not seen one in person yet (going next weekend) I wouldn't want to speculate on comparing it to the v10 but as Zivman said the v10 seems to be a pretty consistent top pick.

The V10 is VASTLY superior.

Be honest now Zivman, have you actually seen both models in question?

Be honest now Zivman, have you actually seen both models in question?

yes and the panasonic is better.

Edit.

I just bought a big flat panel. I was out shopping all these bigger (60" +) displays that most are considering. LCDs in that size are laughable compared to the plasma offerings. even the 65" S1 panny bests them all, and that is about as entry level as it gets for plasma in this size

Thanks guys. I did consider a DLP for a brief period, however I'm moving our main TV viewing area from a huge projection DLP upstairs. I took a look at the Mitsu's but think I want to along the lines of a flat panel.

In your opinion, comparing DLP vs. plasma/LCD... involving picture quality, color depth, contrast, etc... which performs better?

Im more of a LED/LCD person but I have to agree with the other poster's.

For a 65" panel right now the V10 might be the best choice.

I have not seen the new Samsung 65 incher yet, but I have seen the new Sharp and Sony 65 inchers, the Sharp was the best of those two.

I would love to have a 65" LCD but Im waiting till someone comes out with a 65" LED/LCD panel with a 240 refresh rate,,,,,,for now, I'll just stick with my LED/LCD 55 incher.

Cheers
Davyo

The LN65B650 was released two months ago and is still considered a special order item in most shops. So I've personally yet to see any on display in even big box stores.

Thanks guys. I did consider a DLP for a brief period, however I'm moving our main TV viewing area from a huge projection DLP upstairs. I took a look at the Mitsu's but think I want to along the lines of a flat panel.

In your opinion, comparing DLP vs. plasma/LCD... involving picture quality, color depth, contrast, etc... which performs better?
If you want PQ, color depth, and contrast, plasma is the easy choice.

If you want PQ, color depth, and contrast, plasma is the easy choice.

Better put if you want -


Dirty Urinated on Whites
Daytime Glare/Washout
Reflections 24/7


Get a Plasma!

How can you have great PQ with all this crap in the way of viewing?
:D

Better put if you want -


Dirty Urinated on Whites
Daytime Glare/Washout
Reflections 24/7


Get a Plasma!

How can you have great PQ with all this crap in the way of viewing?
:D

Looks like someone is definitely uninformed. They're just TV's westa. No reason to make a fool of yourelf over what a person prefers as plasmas have often been rated at the top. :)

Better put if you want -


Dirty Urinated on Whites
Daytime Glare/Washout
Reflections 24/7


Get a Plasma!

How can you have great PQ with all this crap in the way of viewing?
:D

Most LCDs have the same glossy front glass/plastic as a plasma will. They will suffer the same as a plasma would. Please don't call accurate whites, 'dirty'.

Like max so politely put it, you are uninformed

Better put if you want -


Dirty Urinated on Whites
Daytime Glare/Washout
Reflections 24/7


Get a Plasma!

How can you have great PQ with all this crap in the way of viewing?
:D

Why don't stop trolling in every plasma thread? Is your life so worthless that you have nothing better to do with your time?

What a difference 1.5 months makes. I finally saw the LN65B650. They had the set right at the front door. I only noticed it on the way out the door, and was pleasantly surprised. Pretty good looking screen, fairly decent uniformity and off-angle performance. I'd be curious to see some reviews. There's so little info out there at the moment.

Better put if you want -


Dirty Urinated on Whites
Daytime Glare/Washout
Reflections 24/7


Get a Plasma!

How can you have great PQ with all this crap in the way of viewing?
:D

This from someone who has a 57 inch LCD and almost bought a 52 inch LCD because it was drastically reduced in price, rather than wait for a 65 inch LCD that can compare to the Panasonic 65 V10.

Test results by video engineers be damned. Westa is an IT buyer who thinks he knows more about TVs than video engineers who test TVs for a living.

Why don't stop trolling in every plasma thread? Is your life so worthless that you have nothing better to do with your time?

His condo has so many windows in it he had to sell his plasma for a loss. He has been on a mission ever since. Since he purchases computer monitors as part of his job, that makes him an expert on both LCD and plasma. Sheesh!!

Please help me decide between these for my new theater setup. Any other 65" or greater model suggestions will be welcomed.

Currently I have it down to the two larger commercially available models:

Panasonic TC-P65V10 (PLASMA) vs. Samsung LN65B650 (LCD)

Some gen. info. for differences:

PANASONIC
Plasma; 2,000,000:1 CR dynamic (native 40,000:1); 24p;LAN/4HDMI; THX cert; many other nifty things like deep color, x.v. color, studio ref mode, pro setting, 3D y/c comb filter, subpixel control, NR, RS232C



SAMSUNG:
LCD; 120Hz; 100,000:1 CR dynamic ms response time; 4 HDMI/LAN/2 USB


What are your suggestions or comments regarding these two models and which would you personally choose. Price is not a factor here, I rather a better picture for viewing BD, DVD, and regular TV.


Any other suggestions for large size models that compare that are under $10k ?


If you have an abundance of ambient light and can't control it with window shades, plasma will give you more reflections and may not be the best choice.

Plasma's dirty whites are a reality, but mainly effect comparison shopping with LCD.

Once you get a set home, and not side by side with another technology, it look fine with regular programming material.

Reflections tend to be worse with plasma sets. You need to see both screens in person to judge the reflectivity they present. Sales material from the manufacturers all point to magic screen surfaces that are supposed to reduce glare. Some do better than others. The light in your room is the determining factor as to which will work in your room, with your ambient light level.

The best pq in the world is of no value if ruined by reflections.

The biggest factor in deciding between these two sets is which type picture you prefer. LCD and Plasma sets look different. Some (most shoppers these days) like the LCD look, be it good or bad.

To me, LCD sets give a more video like picture. Plasma, more film like. Some would state that the difference is between razor sharp with LCD and softer with Plasma. Some feel the softer plasma look is more natural.

Once you get a set home, and not side by side with another technology, it look fine with regular programming material.


I gotta disagree on this one at least in my experience you can almost always feel plasmas are missing something in brighter scenes. It depends a lot on the brightness of the room and the way your eyes work.

The only time my eye is truly fooled on the 5020 is in a completely dark room.

No doubt that darker environments are better for plasmas.

I meant that the glaring difference in the whites is most evident when viewing LCD and plasma sets side by side.

Your eyes will adjust to almost any picture in about a week.

For people moving up to a flat screen from an older tv, either Plasma or LCD will produce an image that will blow away the older set.

I meant that the glaring difference in the whites is most evident when viewing LCD and plasma sets side by side.



Not quite sure I agree with that. The majority of the LCD panels I have seen in stores recently have the same glossy finish to their screens as plasma. As a result they suffer from any reflection issues that a plasma display does.

The V10 is VASTLY superior.

Not so quick!!!

I own a Panasonic plasma HDTV. It suffers from a number of problems. In "warm" setting there is clayface. Panasonic has a vastly inferior menu system.

I recently purchased a Sony LCD and it is much BRIGHTER, it has a superior menu (including tools for finding HD channels like noise information and gain information, and IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A RESCAN TO FIND NEW CHANNELS WHILE FORCING A DUMP OF OLD CHANNELS).

Any other suggestions for large size models that compare that are under $10k ? Panasonic makes a 65" pro model that is another step up from the V10. I have not seen it to know if it is hype or an improvement.

FWIW, I have LCD and Plasma and perfer the look of Plasma. While my LCD is brighter and sharper, the Plasma seems more natural, like looking through a window rather than watching something on a screen.

The knock against LCD was always that it bore a resemblance to peering out of a window. I do agree with the comparison about LCD being more video-like and plasma more film-like.

To me, LCD sets give a more video like picture. Plasma, more film like. Some would state that the difference is between razor sharp with LCD and softer with Plasma. Some feel the softer plasma look is more natural.
I think this is what it all comes down to... sharper HD-like video look vs. softer cinema film look.

Key word: OVERALL

Overall, plasma.

No question about it.

James