The only benefits are possibly better reception, and a higher bitrate, 1080i PBS HD channel. Cox and Comcast get a direct fiber feed from KUAT/KUAS that is better than the 720p version they broadcast.

Have a QUAM tuner on one of my TVs and it gets more than just the locals in digital. WGN is one I think I remember but it was a lot more than just the locals. I have COX for my cable service.

Have a QUAM tuner on one of my TVs and it gets more than just the locals in digital. WGN is one I think I remember but it was a lot more than just the locals. I have COX for my cable service.According to the SiliconDust channel lists (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us) for Zip Code 85726, Cox has several non-broadcast channels in clear QAM including WGN, TBS, Pentagon, C-SPAN, several home shopping channels, public/government/educational access, Cox News and TV Guide (listed as Unknown). Comcast for the same Zip has a much smaller list.

I just noticed that Comcast has recently added a few new HD channels:

242 = Nick HD
246 = Lifetime HD
247 = Spike HD

Tivo doesn't have guide data for them yet, so I filed a lineup issue report at tivo.com.

Update:
Tivo now has guide data for these channels.

I don't have cable or a hdtv but I got a converter box and bought Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV Reception. What I'm wondering is, are these few stations supposed to come in clear?

I don't have cable or a hdtv but I got a converter box and bought Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV Reception. What I'm wondering is, are these few stations supposed to come in clear?

Yes, the digital channels you should be getting with your converter box should be perfectly clear, digital is all or nothing so you either get a clear picture or can't tune the channel (if reception is low the video can be choppy).

How do you have the converter box connected to your TV? What channel do you have your TV set to?

If you have the Terk antenna connected to the converter box, and are using a coax cable (single copper piece in the center with the screw on ends) to connect from the converter box to the TV, you should have your TV on channel 3 and probably need to go into the menu of the converter box and tell it to scan for all of the digital channels.

If you change channels on the TV you might get some spanish channels and they will be fuzzy, you need to put the TV on channel 3 and leave it there since the converter box is now your "tuner" and you will change channels on the converter box, not the TV. The same as using a VCR or cable box the picture comes from the VCR or cable box (or converter in this case) and the TV stays on channel 3.

If your TV has an input for an external device with yellow, red, and white RCA plugs, you could connect the converter box to the TV that way also and set the input on the TV to the external input, but you still change channels on the converter box not the TV.

Hope this helps.

I don't have cable or a hdtv but I got a converter box and bought Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV Reception. What I'm wondering is, are these few stations supposed to come in clear?opnupurize interpreted your question to be whether the digital channels you receive should be clear. Another interpretation is that you're receiving some stations clearly but fewer than you expected. Many things affect this, but mostly whether your antenna is appropriate for your location. Most of the Tucson transmitters are on Mt. Bigelow and many people in NW Tucson have trouble receiving them because they're in the shadow of Mt Lemmon. I got intermittent reception of most of them from that area using a Silver Sensor antenna (similar to your Terk but without the amplifier) by holding it up on a pole outdoors, which suggested that a better roof-mounted antenna would have worked. I got next to nothing from Bigelow indoors.

Several stations have put up low-power repeaters on Tumamoc Hill and elsewhere to fill in the weak spots. Go to http://www.tvfool.com and/or http://www.antennaweb.org and plug in enough info to determine your location (Zip+4 is usually sufficient) and they will tell you where the transmitters are and what you might need to receive them. I prefer TVFool; it takes terrain into account and gives more details.

Stucco construction is popular in Tucson and the chickenwire it's laid over makes a very effective shield for TV signals. You need a strong signal to get reception through stucco.

The amplifier in your antenna is probably hurting your reception more than helping it. See if you can get it out of the circuit. If it's built into the antenna you may not be able to do that. See if you can borrow an unamplified rabbit ears (for VHF) and loop (for UHF) to try. If it's better than the amplified Terk you'll know where the problem lies.

There's more on antennas for the Tucson area at http://tucsondigitaltv.com/ and a list of receivable stations at http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

Where's the time signal?
Using Comcast, zip 85750, Last few days when changing channels with the remote the channel ID show but the time no longer shows--just blanks.
Anybody notice this?
Stressbox

I have a question regarding PBS 6.1. I'm out in Cochise County, and get all the Mt. Bigelow broadcast stations via antenna. Last week on a couple occasions while watching channel 6.1 my TV would bring up a message that this station "was now available on channel 30.1", and to press Enter or Exit. Pressing either would take me to channel 30.1, where there was no signal. I would go to another channel and then after a minute or two would go back 30.1, where I would get the message that the channel was now available on 6.1, and pressing either Enter or Exit would take me back to 6.1 and I could resume watching the broadcast. It did this several days, while watching the World Focus broadcast at 5-5:30PM.

Is PBS trying to re-map the broadcast signal to channel 30, or is my TV just being flaky? It doesn't do this on any other channel.

Sounds like a TV tuner causing that to occur.

It is the local PBS station. This channel does this off and on. It was also happening last month. PBS seems to be confused about what station they want to be on.

Need help!! I use the built-in QAM tuners in my two TVs to view the unscrambled HDTV/DTV channels. I seem to get all of the local channels but KMSB (11.1).

I have a Samsung PN50B430P2D and a Sony KD-34XBR960.

Any thoughts?

Need help!! I use the built-in QAM tuners in my two TVs to view the unscrambled HDTV/DTV channels. I seem to get all of the local channels but KMSB (11.1).

I have a Samsung PN50B430P2D and a Sony KD-34XBR960.

Any thoughts?Do you have COX or Comcast?

Hey is anyone in town on Comcast missing their TV Guide Channel on #20???

Hey is anyone in town on Comcast missing their TV Guide Channel on #20???

Comcast deleted the channel 20 guide channel a while back and as I recall from the cable box's messge they posted it was moved to one of the higher digital channel numbers.

Do you have COX or Comcast?

I have Cox.

Need help!! I use the built-in QAM tuners in my two TVs to view the unscrambled HDTV/DTV channels. I seem to get all of the local channels but KMSB (11.1).

I have a Samsung PN50B430P2D and a Sony KD-34XBR960.

Any thoughts?According to the SiliconDust Lineup Server (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us) for Zip 85749, Comcast has KMSBDT (11.1) on real channel 88 along withKOLDDT (13.1) and KOLDDT2 (13.2). There are SD versions of most broadcast stations including KMSB on real channel 111.

Cox has KMSBDT (11.1) on real channel 71 along with KUATDT4 (27.4) and KWBADT (58.1). An SD version is on ch. 103 along with other broadcasts.

Well, I'm now receiving the TVGOS VBI data on channel 9, Cox. I have time and the TVGOS advertisements showing on my Sony DVR. Looks promising. Let's see if the listing grid shows up in the next 24 hours. :)

I am finally getting TVGOS on my DTVPAL, don't know yet which channel is sending it.

Today I have a full grid with listings. It looks like TVGOS is back and, if your on Cox Cable, the data stream is on ch. 9.

PBS 6-1 6-2 6-3 all 0% on my signal meter. wtf?

weather

http://tv.azpm.org/status/

weather

http://tv.azpm.org/status/

Just coming here to check why no 6.1-3 OTA.

Damn weather! Everyone talks about it but no one does anything about it! :D

weather

http://tv.azpm.org/status/

Sheesh, still no 6.1-.3 OTA? I was at Costco Monday and it didn't look like that much snow up there.

And the TVGOS data stream on Cox ch. 9 has stopped.:(

FYI...we have a new Twitter account @CoxArizona_Help if any of you need anything, please let us know. I have also subscribed to these threads and will be checking them as regularly as possible. Twitter will be more immediate but either way, we're here for you. Jason

FYI...we have a new Twitter account @CoxArizona_Help if any of you need anything, please let us know. I have also subscribed to these threads and will be checking them as regularly as possible. Twitter will be more immediate but either way, we're here for you. Jason

The TVGOS data stream is back on.

CoxTechAZ......What's happening with TVGOS???

The TVGOS data stream is back on.

CoxTechAZ......What's happening with TVGOS???

Checking on that now for you. Give me a bit.

OTA 11.2 is now broadcasting "thisTV" which broadcasts old movies and TV programs (i.e. Mr ED). If your box or TV doesn't automatically rescan such as my Samsung does, you'll need to rescan channels. You can see what it has to offer at the thisTV web site: http://www.thistv.com/shows

Fox11's web site doesn't mention the new subchannel. But then KGUN9 doesn't mention that they broadcast music videos on 9.3.

And RTN/RTV still does not exist. KVOA is our last hope.

http://www.myretrotv.com/index2.html
http://www.myretrotv.com/prog_schedules/KAZT.pdf

OTA 11.2 is now broadcasting "thisTV" which broadcasts old movies and TV programs (i.e. Mr ED). If your box or TV doesn't automatically rescan such as my Samsung does, you'll need to rescan channels. You can see what it has to offer at the thisTV web site: http://www.thistv.com/shows

Fox11's web site doesn't mention the new subchannel. But then KGUN9 doesn't mention that they broadcast music videos on 9.3.

:cool: Thanks

I use titantv.com for a programing guide, and it wasn't showing 11.2 either, but I was able to manually add it and it correctly show the programming guide now. Gotta watch me some Mr. Ed. :p

And RTN/RTV still does not exist. KVOA is our last hope.

I heard that RTV is actively seeking an affiliate in Tucson, and has opened it up to low-powered stations in the market as well.

- Trip

We live near intersection of west Ina and Cortaro Road. So we can't get TV signals from Mt Bigelow. Our antenna is pointed approximately at A Mountain. When we left in early January we could receive CBS and NBC TV channels. Since returning in early February we can no longer get those channels. We do get channels 9-1, 9-2, 9-3, 27-1, 27-2, 27-3, 29, 38, 40-1, and 48 over the air. Our antenna is the same VHF/UHF antenna we've used since 1996. Did something break on our end (and if so then what) or are other people in our area also not receiving CBS and NBC?

-- Ernie

Lahoyah:
It sounds like you have poor VHF reception. Both of the repeaters you're missing are on VHF and all the ones you get are UHF (KGUN, 9-x, is really on 16). KVOA, NBC, is repeated on ch. 4 from Tumamoc Hill (not A Mountain but close enough), along with 9-x (16) and 27-x (28). KOLD (CBS) is repeated on ch. 13, along with several UHF stations that you do get from a point a bit north of Tower Peak and south of you.

I'm visiting about 3 miles from you. Using a 12" whip antenna with an OnAir GT I can easily get 27(28), 40(40) and 58(44), plus 9(16) with difficulty. That antenna is useless for VHF so I can't prove they're operating, but others have received them according to the SiliconDust Lineup Server (http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:85742#lineup_1173711) for this area.

Sheesh, still no 6.1-.3 OTA? I was at Costco Monday and it didn't look like that much snow up there.

Enough to knock out the power-- and a week's worth of diesel does nothing if the valve to pipe the fuel to the generator malfunctions :(

I got a notice the other day on my TiVo that it had added channel 11.2. Nice. Funny though, most of the movies they show in the programming for the next two weeks are also available on demand on Hulu.com :)

There's just too many outlets and too little programming to fill it these days.

Just did a rescan of Comcast cable (Pima County) here in Tucson. My HTPC is connected by cable to a Dvico FusionHDTV7 and I found a raft of new digital unencrypted channels.
I had been getting 4-1, 9-1, 11-1, 13-1 & 2, 18-1 and the PBS channels 27-1, 2, & 3. Suddenly I find 933 through 1139 and a few more. Looks like they've begun their conversion from analog to digital. So far the analog stations are still on the air as well. I wonder if the new digital signals will remain unencrypted.
Anyone have an opinion?

Does anyone know what's problem with KGUN 9.1 via OTA it's been going off and on and signal getting weak since friday night... ?

Does anyone know what's problem with KGUN 9.1 via OTA it's been going off and on and signal getting weak since friday night... ?

It's a transmitter problem. They can't send an engineer due to road conditions.

I wish that all TV stations would report their status on their web site and allow viewers to report issues. What a waste of time for everyone having to call the station (who do not answer the phone anyway). I called the news line. It's the only line they answer.

It's a transmitter problem. They can't send an engineer due to road conditions.

I wish that all TV stations would report their status on their web site and allow viewers to report issues. What a waste of time for everyone having to call the station (who do not answer the phone anyway). I called the news line. It's the only line they answer.
Thanks, I forgot that road up there is closed till it clears I guess

It's a transmitter problem. They can't send an engineer due to road conditions.

I wish that all TV stations would report their status on their web site and allow viewers to report issues. What a waste of time for everyone having to call the station (who do not answer the phone anyway). I called the news line. It's the only line they answer.

Well maybe yes, and maybe no -- I don't think they use that vhf xmitter to uplink to directv where you'll see the same crap whether on SD9 and HD9.1. I don't know where they're uplink equipment is, but it sounds like it gets the same bad signal?

In most cases, DirecTV receives locals via an antenna, and downconverts the HD channel to create the SD version. Their receive site for Tucson is just SE of Davis-Monthan.

here's the article about KGUN problem;
http://azstarnet.com/article_d294bd8a-2559-11df-bd8b-001cc4c03286.html

Depending on where you are, you might be able to pick up KGUN's repeater (KGUN2) on channel 16 from Tumamoc. I'm visiting on the NW side and can get KGUN2 pretty well with an OnAir GT if I hold its whip antenna in just the right position. Earlier I got solid reception with a Silver Sensor.

In most cases, DirecTV receives locals via an antenna, and downconverts the HD channel to create the SD version. Their receive site for Tucson is just SE of Davis-Monthan.

Well, it only proves that you can still learn at the age of 64. Thanks -- of course it still doesn't explain the other problems with KGUN. periodic pixelation, and sometime total drop out for several seconds. Oh Well.

here's the article about KGUN problem;
http://azstarnet.com/article_d294bd8a-2559-11df-bd8b-001cc4c03286.html

Thanks for the link, Boult.

Unfortunately, I've been unable to receive KGUN via OTA for a few months. I get 9-3 ("The Cool TV"). I'd rather get the local ABC broadcast.

Cheers,
Julia B

Thanks for the link, Boult.

Unfortunately, I've been unable to receive KGUN via OTA for a few months. I get 9-3 ("The Cool TV"). I'd rather get the local ABC broadcast.

Cheers,
Julia B

If you are getting 9-3, you should be able to get 9-1. They are running from the same signal. You may need to re-scan channels on your tuner and it should add 9-1 to your lineup.

If you are getting 9-3, you should be able to get 9-1. They are running from the same signal. You may need to re-scan channels on your tuner and it should add 9-1 to your lineup.

Hi gworkman,
Thank you for your kind response.

Yes, I've rescanned dozens of times. When I scroll through the channel line-up, 9-1, 9-2 and 9-3 are on the list, but the signal strength for 9-1 and 9-2 is too low. 9-3 is good. Its been that way for months (since last summer). Around Christmastime the signal strength was good and I had ABC for a couple of weeks but that's long gone now. I've tried orienting the antenna in different directions, but haven't had any luck. :(

Otherwise my antenna is pointed toward the transmitters on Mt. Lemmon and I receive 4-1, etc a-okay. By the way, I got the directional info from http://www.antennaweb.org Is their info still valid? - is ABC still transmitted from atop Mt. Lemmon -or- does the signal now come from over on A Mtn?

Thanks a lot!

Sincerely,
Julia B

KGUN has 2 broadcasts that both map to 9-1, 9-2, and 9-3. They're broadcasting on channel 9 from Mt. Bigelow, and channel 16 from Tumamoc Hill west of downtown. The channel 16 broadcasts all show a "2" in the channel name: KGUN2, Mexi2, and COOLTV2, while the channel 9 broadcasts don't: KGUN-DT, MEXI, and COOLTV .

You may want to disconnect your antenna, run a channel scan to clear the tuner's memory, then reconnect and run another scan. This should update your TV and get you back everything that you're able to receive.

Remember that 4-1 is UHF (frequency channel 23), whereas 9-1 is VHS (frequency channel 9). Are you sure that the 9-1 showing for you is the frequency channel 9 one? On my TiVo, there is also a 9-1 channel 35 (which is useless since they don't broadcast there). Like gworkman said above, if you get 9-3 on frequency channel 9, you should be able to get 9-1 on frequency channel 9.

Does anyone know why I'm all of a sudden getting such bad signal on channel 13-1? It's been working fine, but now it breaks up and pixelates a lot all of a sudden, and channel strength is down to mid 60's (0-100).

What confuses me is that I thought K16EO-D's ABC feed was on 9-3, with "The Cool TV" appearing on 9-5.

- Trip

KGUN has 2 broadcasts that both map to 9-1, 9-2, and 9-3. They're broadcasting on channel 9 from Mt. Bigelow, and channel 16 from Tumamoc Hill west of downtown. The channel 16 broadcasts all show a "2" in the channel name: KGUN2, Mexi2, and COOLTV2, while the channel 9 broadcasts don't: KGUN-DT, MEXI, and COOLTV .

You may want to disconnect your antenna, run a channel scan to clear the tuner's memory, then reconnect and run another scan. This should update your TV and get you back everything that you're able to receive.

Hi coyoteaz,
Thanks for that info! I'll try clearing the channel scan and see if that works.

Thanks,
Julia B

What confuses me is that I thought K16EO-D's ABC feed was on 9-3, with "The Cool TV" appearing on 9-5.

- Trip
Not anymore according to my sources, which are fairly reliable. Both are mapping to 9.1, 2, and 3. The broadcast on 9 has the names of KGUN-DT, MEXI with 3 spaces after it (AVS text editor eats the spaces), and COOLTV with one space after it. 16's are KGUN2, Mexi2, and COOLTV2, no extra spaces. Both are sending a TSID of decimal 215. Sorry, no TSReader data for you on this one.

No worries; thanks for the correction. :)

- Trip

Hi all. I have a question about the KGUN repeater situation that has been driving me nuts. I have an Avermedia tuner using WMC7 and for the life of me, I can't pick up the Channel 9 VHF stations, even with a UHF/VHF antenna (I don't pick up 58 either but don't care too much about those ones). When I do a digital TV signal strength scan, I see the 9.4-9.6 repeater stations coming in at full signal but when I try to watch them . . . nothing. I've rescanned a few times to no avail. Am I missing something here? If anyone has any ideas about how to troubleshoot this I'd be incredibly grateful as it's driving me nuts.

WMC7 tries to be helpful and adds channels it thinks you should get rather than the ones you actually get, and will use the predicted channel even if the real one has better signal. You need to go into the Edit Channels page in the settings, click on 9.1, and click Edit Sources. You should see multiple listings, one (or two if it's a dual tuner) on 9, and the other(s) for 16. Uncheck the channel 9 source(s), then repeat for the other 9.x channels. 9.4, 9.5, and 9.6 don't exist anymore, so just disable those entirely.

Wow, thanks for the fast reply. What you suggested didn't work out exactly but it definitely lead me in the right direction, so I thank you immensely for that. When I went to edit sources, only the channel 9 sources were showing up, so I went to Settings>Guide>Add Missing Channels and added channel 9.1 on frequency 16 and now it works perfectly. So thanks again and hopefully this will help someone else in the future!

dougleto:
I'm beginning to think that virtual channel numbers are more trouble than they're worth. I gather that you can't get KGUN from Bigelow on real channel 9 but you get a strong signal from its Tumamoc repeater on real channel 16. I suspect that WMC7 may be looking for it on channel 9. Read through this thread (http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8488) on the SiliconDust forum. Different tuner and slightly different symptoms, but it tells how to check and edit the channels that WMC is trying to use.

Edit: Well, that's what I get for starting to answer a post, getting distracted and returning to finish it later without refreshing the page. Coyoteaz already led you in the right direction.

Hi guys,
Pardon my ignorance - but when might our channels be broadcast in 1080p? I'm debating the replacement of my 3 month old TivoHD (1080i) with a premier (1080p), but it really doesnt make any sense if we wont recieve a 1080p signal in the near future...

Thanks,

Not any time soon.

Can someone contact KMSB (Fox11) to enable HD in today's race that is in progress... it is in STD format ugh! Thanks!

I was watching the premiere of "V" tonight on ABC and I noticed that white dots or specks randomly shuffling throughout the picture. They are there for a fraction of a second and then appear elsewhere, but they were there throughout the entire show. Going frame by frame it is really easy to spot them. I have also noticed them on the news on KVOA in HD. I'm getting my signal from Direct TV. Anyone else seeing this?

I was watching the premiere of "V" tonight on ABC and I noticed that white dots or specks randomly shuffling throughout the picture. They are there for a fraction of a second and then appear elsewhere, but they were there throughout the entire show. Going frame by frame it is really easy to spot them. I have also noticed them on the news on KVOA in HD. I'm getting my signal from Direct TV. Anyone else seeing this?

I don't see them on Cox.

Is anyone else experiencing audio dropout on fox OTA in Tucson? It started yesterday.

Is anyone else experiencing audio dropout on fox OTA in Tucson? It started yesterday.

Just got a response from KMSB that they have some equipment problems and are working on getting the parts to fix it.

The last time was simply a change at PBS on the way they transmitted the TVGOS stream. This time, the TVGOS data is not even being sent by PBS since they do not have an agreement with Rovi to continue the service.

Mick

Yesterday I had a phone call from the lead Tech at Comcast Tucson.
He has successfully injected the TVGOS VBI data on Analog Channel
9 in Tucson. Anyone who has a TVGOS device on Analog cable in Tucson
needs to do a soft reset and set your Zip code. Tune your device to Channel 9
and power it off overnight.
I just did my reset yesterday (the TVGOS function times out and goes dormant
after several days of failed tries) set it to Channel 9 and this morning I have Days 1,2,4,7 populated with listing data. The remaining days will fill in over the next couple of days.

Mick

For those viewers using TVGOS OTA, I've gotten recent data from KGUN-9 and its repeater K16EO-D, both appear to have TVGOS in the bitstream now.

- Trip

For those viewers using TVGOS OTA, I've gotten recent data from KGUN-9 and its repeater K16EO-D, both appear to have TVGOS in the bitstream now.

- Trip

That's great news.:)

Thanks
James

Yesterday I had a phone call from the lead Tech at Comcast Tucson.
He has successfully injected the TVGOS VBI data on Analog Channel
9 in Tucson. Anyone who has a TVGOS device on Analog cable in Tucson
needs to do a soft reset and set your Zip code. Tune your device to Channel 9
and power it off overnight.
I just did my reset yesterday (the TVGOS function times out and goes dormant
after several days of failed tries) set it to Channel 9 and this morning I have Days 1,2,4,7 populated with listing data. The remaining days will fill in over the next couple of days.

Mick
Mick,
Have Comcast cable in zip 85750. TVGOS shows but listings do not -- just the grid. Diagnostics shows 9 as host channel. How do you do the soft reset you mention?
Thanks
Ron

Mick,
Have Comcast cable in zip 85750. TVGOS shows but listings do not -- just the grid. Diagnostics shows 9 as host channel. How do you do the soft reset you mention?
Thanks
Ron

Ron,
653214741 is a soft reset on my Panasonic DVR.
Another way is to go into out-of-the-box setup and set
all your config data.

Mick

Mick
Thanks for your reply. Problem is with the TVGOS which is built into my Mtisubishi LCD TV. Doesn't seem to be any way to reset.
Ron

Ron,
Isn't there a way to enter setup? What is the model number?

Mick

Mick,
Mitsui LT 46149
The remote "menu" button brings up the set up screen for everything.
TVGOS is a separate item set for ANT1 Cable/air. The zip code is correctly set for 85750. There is an ANT2 Cable/air
setting but the input on the back of the TV is unused.
Pressing "Guide" on the remote brings up the channel listing grid but no channel subject listings -- only channel numbers.
Pressing "menu" from there brings up channel set up screens to select the cable co. Also the diagnostic screen which shows channel 9 as host and the zip code among other data. These screens also report the time check and the next download time for channel listings -- now 131AM but as usual 131AM comes and goes but the listings don't show.
?
Ron

Ron,
Try this:

For those who want to try this "fix" but don't want to wait on hold, here's the procedure:
1-Go to TVGOS "SETUP" in top Service Bar ("go to Service Bar" in side Menu, then left in Service Bar to "SETUP").
2. Down arrow once to "Change system settings" and HIGHLIGHT. DO NOT press Enter button.
3. With "Change system settings" highlighted, Enter 1st code with number keys: 753159852.
4. When grey menu screen appears, enter 2nd code: 653274147.
5. Turn unit OFF.
6. Turn unit ON.
7. Redo TVGOS Setup. Go to SETUP again and, this time, select (Enter) "Change system settings."
8. Select the bottom choice, "No, repeat Setup process."
9. Enter your system/location info. again, even if it's there from before.
10. Turn unit OFF.
11. Wait 24-48 hours for results.


This is from an different model Mitsubishi:

YMMV, but this worked on my Mits WD-57831:
To do a TVGOS hard reset, bring up the Guide (remote, GUIDE button), from the service bar select Setup, down arrow once to Change (don't press Select/Enter), key in 653274147 (don't press Select/Enter). Screen will go black and TV will reset and power off.


Ron,
I downloaded the user guide for your TV. 1. While in the Guide Listings, press MENU. This displays
the Setup Screen.
2. Press to highlight “Change channel lineup” Enter the reset code here.

Mick

Mick,
Appreciate your work. I went to TV setup and apparently canceled previous settings and the "guide" then brought up channel View which appears to be a minimal channel listing. Managed to get rid of that and entered the original settings. "Guide" then brought up the real TVGOS grid saying the listings are '"pending". Previously it showed "No Listings" The next download is 131AM so we'll see whether the the listings will show up.
Ron

Ron,
I'll keep my fingers crossed. Mine is working perfectly again.

Mick

Mick,
We are in business! The grid now shows the listings apparently picked up from the 131AM download. Thanks for your guidance,
Ron

Great!!
The downloads happen a few times a day. I think they are ALL defaulted to that 0831GMT initial download. It appears yours corrects for GMT -7 which would be 0131.

Mick

Mick,
Hope this holds up. It must depend on Channel 9 to continue to be the host --previously, channel 6 was. It's a convenience to have TVGOS -- I have been using my iPod but the grid is better.
Does your grid end at channel 79?
Ron

Yep,
79 is the last channel on the grid. There ARE more channels but they are not listed for some reason in the Analog grid.

Mick

Mick,
Since everything is supposed to be digital now, wonder why we have "analog" channels?
Ron

The analog channels will remain even after they convert all the high
channels to digital. 2-13 plus some others will ALWAYS remain analog. That way we will always have our CBS (09) TVGOS/Clock feed too.

Mick

Mick,
Interesting. Thanks. Sure nice to have TVGOS working again.
Ron

Mick,
Do you still have the TVGOS grid? Mine has disappeared and the diagnostics screen shows "Host - None" whereas it was 09 before. May have to go to the codes you suggested?
Ron

Hi Ron,
Yes, I still have the grid and I have program data through Friday but nothing for Saturday. I just checked and it appears that the TVGOS data ceased on Friday the 14th. I left a message for Comcast to see if they know anything. I let you know when I hear something.

Thanks,
Mick

Is anyone receiving channel 13 DT off the air okay? I was receiving it pretty strong (80%) up to a month or so ago then the signal dropped to zero. I'm receiving 4, 6, 11, and 18 DT consistently at 80% and higher. Emails to the station have gone unanswered.

Have you resolved your reception problems?

Nope, the channel 13 bouquet is still dark here. Since I'm receiving the other channels okay and my antenna/feedline hasn't changed, I'm wondering if channel 13 is having technical problems.

I was able to pick up ch 13 just fine last night...in Mesa...so there's nothing wrong with the station's signal.

Dave, thank you for your reply. 13-1 is still dark here. Just did a rescan and all the other Tucson channels were reading between 80 and 90%. 13-1 is reading ZERO signal strength, so I donno what's going on. Only thing I can think of is my antenna is fixed and perhaps I need to put a rotator on it.

Jack

Jack,

I was driving through Tucson last night, so I took my laptop & TV stick with me. From the corner of Stone & Grant, I was able to get both KOLD stations: the full-power signal from Mt. Bigelow on RF ch 32 and the LP filler signal from Tower Peak on RF ch 13 that covers areas of Marana and Oro Valley blocked from Mt. Bigelow signals.

I don't know what part of the metro area you're in, but is it possible that your TV is trying to lock onto the VHF LP signal and can't? The only VHF signals left in Tucson are the LP filler for KVOA on ch 4 (main signal is on RF ch 23), an analog TBN repeater on ch 7, the main KGUN signal on ch 9 (their LP filler is on ch 16) and the KOLD LP filler. Unfortunately, you can't use ch 7 as a reference because TBN took the station silent.

Just guessing.

Thanks again Dave, your portable setup sounds pretty cool. I'm located in Hereford which is some distance from the transmitter site. Still baffled as up to a couple of months ago, 13 reception was solid. Then nothing. I have two separate antennas/TVs. One is an 8-bay and the other a 4-bay separated horizontally by about 50 feet from each other.

Jack

Try disconnecting the antenna, rescanning, then reconnecting the antenna and scanning again. This seems to fix a lot of issues when there's no reasonable explanation for not receiving a channel.

Thanks again Dave, your portable setup sounds pretty cool. I'm located in Hereford which is some distance from the transmitter site. Still baffled as up to a couple of months ago, 13 reception was solid. Then nothing. I have two separate antennas/TVs. One is an 8-bay and the other a 4-bay separated horizontally by about 50 feet from each other.

Jack

Hereford? I guess that makes meaningless any speculation about the LPTV stations. I was in your neck of the woods yesterday, passing through from Sierra Vista to Bisbee, which is why I went through Tucson.

I hate to tell you this, and I'm sure it's not what you want to read, but I think you were lucky to be getting KOLD in the first place. The Tucson full-power UHFs from Mt. Bigelow run 405-667.5 kW, except for KOLD 13.1 at 108 kW and KUVE 46.1 at 70.8 kW and I'll bet you don't get 46.1 either. The Rincon Mountains east of Tucson significantly weaken the signals. If your antennas weren't so good, you probably wouldn't get anything digital except KFTU and possibly KWBA.

KOLD coverage: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dKOLD-DT%26type%3dD%26sitenum%3d0
KVOA coverage: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dkvoa

Can someone recommend a multidirectional antenna for my location? I am pretty high up in Oro Valley, Tangerine/LaCanada.
-J

With a multi directional antenna you might not get anything or very little from your location. Most of the entire NW area is in the shadow of Mt Lemmon and the Bigelow towers signals are being blocked by Mt Lemmon.

In the NW areas it is just pure luck if you luck out and are in a sweet spot and can receive any of the Mt Bigelow towers at all. About the only thing for sure is aim South towards Tumamoc Hill or A mountain area and you should get the Network repeater and PBS HD signals broadcast from that area.

I finally reached a technical type at channel 13 which ended the local (Hereford) speculation that changes had been made to their antenna/power output. They stated they are still co-located on the Bigelow tower running 108 KW ERP with an omni pattern. This deepens the mystery as to why I can receive the other co-located channels since the difference in power is only about 6 dB which when I was receiving them was providing a signal strength of around 76% on my set. The minimum signal threshold (where the video starts breaking up) is 45%. Thus the mystery as to why 13's signal is zero. I've rescanned with a 2nd TV and still no signal detected. My next step will be to experiment with a test antenna and observe the results. My thanks for the helpful suggestions!

Hi Ron,
Yes, I still have the grid and I have program data through Friday but nothing for Saturday. I just checked and it appears that the TVGOS data ceased on Friday the 14th. I left a message for Comcast to see if they know anything. I let you know when I hear something.

Thanks,
Mick

Mick,
Guess good old Comcast hasn't replied as yet even though they are advertising their "new" helpful attitude.
Haven't tried but I wonder if using a different area code might help?
Ron

I finally reached a technical type at channel 13 which ended the local (Hereford) speculation that changes had been made to their antenna/power output. They stated they are still co-located on the Bigelow tower running 108 KW ERP with an omni pattern. This deepens the mystery as to why I can receive the other co-located channels since the difference in power is only about 6 dB which when I was receiving them was providing a signal strength of around 76% on my set. The minimum signal threshold (where the video starts breaking up) is 45%. Thus the mystery as to why 13's signal is zero. I've rescanned with a 2nd TV and still no signal detected. My next step will be to experiment with a test antenna and observe the results. My thanks for the helpful suggestions!
Update:

The test antenna revealed we had varying signal levels around the outside of the house. It did show us a 'sweet spot' where all channels including 13 were quite strong.

Jack

Copying this from the Phoenix thread, but it also applies here:

New HD Channels coming to Phoenix on June 1
Telefutura HD on 754 (Expanded HD / Latino Pak 323)
Investigation Discovery HD on 721 (Bonus Pak 329)
Disney XD HD on 773 (Variety Pak 328)
Starz Edge HD on 784 (Starz HD 298)
Hallmark Channel HD on 792 (Variety Pak 328)
WEtv HD on 793 (Variety Pak 328,)
BBC America HD on 794 (Variety Pak 328,)
The Tennis Channel HD on 797 (Sport & Info Pak 327) I see all these channels, except Telefutura, in my Guide and I can confirm all the others as active (except Starz Edge HD since I don't get that package). To be honest, other than BBC America, I don't see myself watching any of these channels except maybe Investigation Discovery HD...

Now we just need Fox Soccer Channel HD. Come on Cox, you have until the middle of August when the next season starts. ;-)

kcaj,

I am also in Hereford (Palominas) at 78.1 miles from the Mt. Bigelow transmitters. I receive all of the Bigelow signals with strength of 84 -87 except for KGUN which I can not receive. It appears that my antenna is not as good for VHF reception. Channel 46 comes in at a strength of 84 and is watchable with a steady signal.

I also had the same temporary problem that you had with KOLD. I believe that it started back when we had high winds. My antenna did not need any adjustment. I had a signal but it would pixilate or freeze. The signal strength was at 84/85 but the signal quality would fluctuate from 100 to the lower 40s. Now the signal quality is back up to a steady 100.

Mick,
Do you still have the TVGOS grid? Mine has disappeared and the diagnostics screen shows "Host - None" whereas it was 09 before. May have to go to the codes you suggested?
Ron

Ron,
Good news! The VBI data is flowing again on analog channel 9. I had a call at 1455 and my contact told me it was fixed. I went into my diagnostic screens and saw my first clock set .since 5/16, happen at 2200 UTC (1500 local).

Somehow the data that COX sends to Comcast was leaving COX but was getting misrouted before it got to the reinsertion hardware at Comcast.
Something about a variable path vs a fixed path. It's fixed now.

Mick

Mick,
That is good news. Have to check my TV. Thanks for keeping an eye on this>
Ron

Mick,
That is good news. Have to check my TV. Thanks for keeping an eye on this>
Ron

Mick,
The grid is back but it seems stuck on "listings pending" for two days. The host is back with channel 9 as host.
On another topic, my neighbors are receiving letters from Comcast advising that to continue receiving channels beyond the basic 2 - 13 they will need a cable card or a set top box at additional cost. Something to do with encrypting the upper channels. My letter is probably in the mail. The change will probably affect disc recordings and could be a healthy pain in the neck.
Have you heard anything about this?
Ron

Mick,
The grid is back but it seems stuck on "listings pending" for two days. The host is back with channel 9 as host.
On another topic, my neighbors are receiving letters from Comcast advising that to continue receiving channels beyond the basic 2 - 13 they will need a cable card or a set top box at additional cost. Something to do with encrypting the upper channels. My letter is probably in the mail. The change will probably affect disc recordings and could be a healthy pain in the neck.
Have you heard anything about this?
Ron

Ron,
You 'may' have to do a reset on your TVGOS device. I had to do a hard reset on my
Panasonic EH75 DVR. I believe the old grid was in place on 5/16 when the VBI signal ceased but the current listings have no grid associated. Once I did my reset, the grid was replaced with a new grid and all the listings began to fill in.
As for the change to digital. You can go online to comcast.com and order as many DTA boxes as you have open coax ports. You'll get one main box (ask for the small Motorola box because it puts out almost no heat when it's off) and a small DTA box for the other outlets. The DTA's only convert and have no access to on-demand or timer settings but the main box is a fully functional cable box that you can set up for timer recordings.
I received my equipment in 3 days but I don't believe our zip code will be converted until August or September of this year. They are doing it in stages.
After that change, only 2-13 will be available to analog tuners. Our TVGOS signals will remain on Analog Channel 9.

Mick

Mick,
Thanks for the words. I have a Mitsubishi HDTV with analog, ATSC and QAM tuners. Does that make any difference? Also, have two Hard Disc DVRs connected so I can record two different programs while watching a third on the TV. Coax inputs are on each of the DVRs and two on the TV. Also have a wireless Mac Mini and WII attached.
Do you think any of this stuff will be affected?
My head is starting to hurt!
Ron

Ron,
I'm sure ALL of it will be affected in some way. :) Without a DTA or Cable Box, you will ONLY Analog channels 3-19 and any of the Digital channels that are unencrypted.

Mick

No signal on my antenna from KVOA right now, while I'm trying to watch the US Open golf. All other channels still come in fine. I called KVOA, but of course no answer. Anyone else experiencing the same? It's been down for about half an hour at this point.

Well, I got a hold of someone there (Kevin?) who said they were working on it, and that a crew had been sent out to fix it (to Mt Lemmon?).

Might take a while I guess.

I already submitted one for the DTV being off the air since 3:00 PM today, it's been 2.5 hrs now and counting since they went off the air, I'm guessing it's not affecting their cable service or there would be a bigger uproar. Not sure what the rules & regulations are for them being off the air like this, I would hope there are some kind of fines or something since this would never have happened during 'analog" TV days, so I'm not sure why it's tolerated now without the hardware redundancy or multiple antennas or something so they aren't ever off the air unless there's a natural disaster maybe.

Considering stations have 30 days to notify the FCC if they're operating outside of normal parameters (including being off the air) I doubt anything will come of your complaint.

- Trip

Is the RF 4 broadcast from Tumamoc Hill still on the air? Assuming it has a direct feed from the station it should be able to provide solid coverage to most of the city, at least for those with low VHF-capable antennas.

At least Over The Air TVGOS does not work anymore. It was on ch9 before.
Does anyone know what is the problem? And when it will be back again?

Anybody else in Comcastland notice that HD KWBA is off the air AND
that HD KVOA is ONLY left channel, both QAM AND Comcast cablebox?

This morning, the following HD channels were available in Tucson on Cox Cable:

Team HD on 661 (NBA League Pass, SDV)
Game HD 1 on 685 (MLB & NHL pkgs, SDV)
Game HD 2 on 686 (MLB & NHL pkgs, SDV)
ESPNews HD on 787 (Sports and Info Pak)
IFC HD on 789 (Movie Pak)
Fox Soccer Channel HD on 796 (Sports and Info Pak)
Style HD on 798 (Variety Pak)
Fuse HD on 801 (Variety Pak)
G4 HD on 802 (Sports and Info Pak)
History International HD on 803 (Sports and Info Pak)
SWRV on 900 (Variety Pak)

I think this finally puts all the channels that I watch in the HD tier with the addition of History International, Fox Soccer Channel, and G4. The only other HD channels I can think of that could be added are TCM and the Weather Channel.

At least Over The Air TVGOS does not work anymore. It was on ch9 before.
Does anyone know what is the problem? And when it will be back again?
I noticed nobody responded to your post. I recently moved to Sierra Vista from San Jose CA. I have a Sony DHG-HDD500 which uses TVGOS version 8. It ran flawlessly until my move. Here on COX cable I cannot even get the clock to set...with or without cablecard. I guess my DVR is now a "brick".

This morning, the following HD channels were available in Tucson on Cox Cable:

Team HD on 661 (NBA League Pass, SDV)
Game HD 1 on 685 (MLB & NHL pkgs, SDV)
Game HD 2 on 686 (MLB & NHL pkgs, SDV)
ESPNews HD on 787 (Sports and Info Pak)
IFC HD on 789 (Movie Pak)
Fox Soccer Channel HD on 796 (Sports and Info Pak)
Style HD on 798 (Variety Pak)
Fuse HD on 801 (Variety Pak)
G4 HD on 802 (Sports and Info Pak)
History International HD on 803 (Sports and Info Pak)
SWRV on 900 (Variety Pak)

I think this finally puts all the channels that I watch in the HD tier with the addition of History International, Fox Soccer Channel, and G4. The only other HD channels I can think of that could be added are TCM and the Weather Channel.

Weather Channel HD should launch 8/31

KOLD local news..looking great in HD this morning. Nice job!

I wonder how accurate this is. RTV coming to 4.2?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Retro_Television_Network_affiliates

I wonder how accurate this is. RTV coming to 4.2?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Retro_Television_Network_affiliates

There is no verification for the claim. It looks like vandalism; probably from a teenage boy from Texas we knew as Dingbat2007.

There is no verification for the claim. It looks like vandalism; probably from a teenage boy from Texas we knew as Dingbat2007.

Seems like an odd thing to do for vandalism. I'll still hold out hope. Looking at RTV's affiliate map, it seems past the time that it should be up in this market.

Weather Channel HD should launch 8/31

TWCHD is on channel 745 in Tucson.

Seems like an odd thing to do for vandalism. I'll still hold out hope. Looking at RTV's affiliate map, it seems past the time that it should be up in this market.

To you and me - yes, it is odd. But I and several others spent months fighting against just that kind of vandalism - over and over and over again. And Wikipedia is powerless to stop it. This kid went through nearly 100 aliases while I was active. I hate to be a killjoy, but don't hold your breath waiting for RTV. BTW, I hope I'm wrong.

TWCHD is on channel 745 in Tucson.

A few other channels were added, including a pair in the 600s:

Big Ten overflow - 691
the mtn - 696
ESPN U - 788

Ron,
You 'may' have to do a reset on your TVGOS device. I had to do a hard reset on my
Panasonic EH75 DVR. I believe the old grid was in place on 5/16 when the VBI signal ceased but the current listings have no grid associated. Once I did my reset, the grid was replaced with a new grid and all the listings began to fill in.
As for the change to digital. You can go online to comcast.com and order as many DTA boxes as you have open coax ports. You'll get one main box (ask for the small Motorola box because it puts out almost no heat when it's off) and a small DTA box for the other outlets. The DTA's only convert and have no access to on-demand or timer settings but the main box is a fully functional cable box that you can set up for timer recordings.
I received my equipment in 3 days but I don't believe our zip code will be converted until August or September of this year. They are doing it in stages.
After that change, only 2-13 will be available to analog tuners. Our TVGOS signals will remain on Analog Channel 9.

Mick

Mick,
Believe u are in 85750. Is TVGOS still operative for you? The diagnostics screen on my TV no longer shows "Host 009", just Host 00. No grid anymore. Using the set up screen on my TV I removed the settings and reinputted the zip. Not sure whether that's a hard reset or not. No change. Don't know whether the cable card has anything to do with it. If I leave the TVGOS settings blank on the set up screen the menu key on the remote brings up something called "Channel View" which shows channels and nothing else.
Any thoughts?
Stressbox

Anyone have experience with a good indoor antenna for HDTV OTA which would work near Swan & Sunrise. I am currently using an FM radio antenna (a wire) and I get KUAS 27.1, 27.2, 27.3 & KHRR 40.1. I tried a RCA ANT1450BR which, if positioned right would get K16EO 9.4, 9.5, 9.6 I would like to be able to get K04QPD 4.1.

Thanks

I am located at Catalina and Tanque Verde. When I was operating OTA, I used a Radio Shack, 15-1892, Indoor VHF/UHF/HDTV antenna with RF remote control. The remote allowed for rotating the antenna when necessary. I had tried many indoor antennas and this one worked the best. I did receive all local channels. Note that due to multipath, whats works for you may not work for your neighbor.

KOLD local news..looking great in HD this morning. Nice job!And about time. The last to do it, and they crow like it's something really special. At least now maybe I don't have to put up with sd on a primetime HD broadcast so that they can plug some crap story that I don't care about and didn't need to know about simply because they were so far behind that they couldn't insert an HD crawl. Now, if KMSB will wake up and realize that they don't need to preempt the audio to run the actual NOAA alert about weather in another county -- I can read the crawl just fine.

And about time. The last to do it, and they crow like it's something really special.

KGUN and KMSB are still SD. That would make KOLD the second out of four local newscasts to go HD, not the last.

Speaking of local news...I hope KVOA loses the News "FOR" Tucson slogan soon. It is quite annoying.

Does anyone who have Directv and watch Wheel of Fortune on KGUN9 seem to notice the picture like studders and goes into a slow motion type effect alot? Ever since they started broadcasting it in HD it has seemed this way to me. I don't notice this on any other show or station so was curious if this was the way they were recording the show.

Not just you/DirectTV. Its that way on antenna also. KGUN's broadcast of WOF has been doing that for over a year, at least.

In Bakersfield, Wheel of Fortune goes into a frame-by-frame strobing effect sometimes. Either over the air or on Bright House. One of their engineers said that it comes off the satellite that way, that it is not a problem with the station's encoder or recording equipment. Now I see the problem is appearing elsewhere, so it must indeed be a national feed problem.

Looks like according to kold.com that unless negotiations go as hoped, KOLD will no longer be offered by Directv after 12/31. Anybody know more about this. I've got an OTA antenna and an AM21 tuner/receiver so I'm still good, but some of you might want to give this some consideration.

From what I have seen KOLD only cares about one thing and that is money, their decisions in the past have had little to nothing to do with what would be best for their viewers.

From what I have seen KOLD only cares about one thing and that is money, their decisions in the past have had little to nothing to do with what would be best for their viewers.
I'll second. They certainly don't have any problem switching to SD five or six times a night to run a crawl that those who are watching on Dish, cable, or off the air couldn't care less about. They have a long held belief that it's just no big deal to interrupt my HD enjoyment to run some crawl that I don't care about.

What's with the reduced 16:9 picture on FOX during Fringe? It even has a FOX logo on the outside. Seems to be on Comcast and OTA.

Is Channel 18 KTTU over the air broadcast off the air? I haven't been able to get for a couple day, since the cold air moved in. All other OTA channels with towers on Mt. Bigelow come in OK out here in Cochise County.

Is Channel 18 KTTU over the air broadcast off the air? I haven't been able to get for a couple day, since the cold air moved in. All other OTA channels with towers on Mt. Bigelow come in OK out here in Cochise County.

Yes it is: http://www.fox11az.com/kttu/Special-notice-for-My18-and-thisTV-viewers-115320219.html

Note this: KTTU programming is currently being re-routed and broadcast on Channel 11.2 in place of This TV.

I noticed the same last night, and thought it first it was my fault since I rearranged my antenna the other day...

Yes it is: http://www.fox11az.com/kttu/Special-notice-for-My18-and-thisTV-viewers-115320219.html

Note this: KTTU programming is currently being re-routed and broadcast on Channel 11.2 in place of This TV.

I noticed the same last night, and thought it first it was my fault since I rearranged my antenna the other day...

I wonder if the same power outage that damaged KTTU's transmitter also took out KWTA-LP 31, the JTV station? They filed for silent STA from the FCC due to technical problems, having gone off the air on 2/3.

Just curious.

What's with the reduced 16:9 picture on FOX during Fringe? It even has a FOX logo on the outside. Seems to be on Comcast and OTA.

Same question here. It has been that way for at least 2 weeks. I have DirecTv and thought it was my DVR at first. But I watched the Super Bowl and it was in full screen HD.

It drives me crazy to see Fringe window boxed with the big blue FOX logo in the lower right corner.

Same question here. It has been that way for at least 2 weeks. I have DirecTv and thought it was my DVR at first. But I watched the Super Bowl and it was in full screen HD.

It drives me crazy to see Fringe window boxed with the big blue FOX logo in the lower right corner.

No one out there haveing the same problem? I was hoping someone would at least chime in. "Fringe" airs tonight and I really don't want to have to watch it window boxed again on my new 65 in TV.

No one out there haveing the same problem? I was hoping someone would at least chime in. "Fringe" airs tonight and I really don't want to have to watch it window boxed again on my new 65 in TV.Me neither! Why they would pick on "Fringe" whan all other FOX programs are fine, I dont know. Maybe they know it's my favorite program.:mad:

Same here, it is one of my favorite programs. It does seem to be one of the only shows that is having issues.

Is anyone else having some audio and video issues on Fox 11 OTA? The sound keeps cutting out along with glitches in the video.

Is anyone else having some audio and video issues on Fox 11 OTA? The sound keeps cutting out along with glitches in the video.

I have spent the last hour trying to adjust my new antenna that I installed yesterday - until I realized that the ONLY channel I was having issues with was KMSB and decided to come here and see if anyone else was having issues. Right now, I get a full signal on all channels in W7MC, except KMSB which gives me 4/6 signal. Yesterday, it came in fine. So yeah, if both you and I are having this problem now, it looks like the issue might be at the other end...

Of course, 4/6 should be enough anyway, that's what I get on the WB from way down south from me, and I don't have any issues with that signal. So maybe it's not related to signal strength but something else.

Seems like KMSB is back to working with no glitches. I sent them an email through the "Contact us" page on their website last night, maybe it did some good. Or maybe it was just a fluke. :)

Anybody else lose the Masters the last 1/2 hour like I did? I thought it was my HTPC at first, but tried diff tuners and none of them are getting enough signal, video was choppy at first, now I guess they've crapped out all together, although when you call them about, nobody knows anything and there surprised there's any problem. Maybe their cable feed is still working, must be the rain/snow again, I know that kind of thing is hard to overcome in this day and age.

Yeah, KOLD is out for me too. :( Hope they get it fixed for the last day of the Masters...
Cox's cable feed of it was working fine though.

Is TVGOS available through Comcast, Tucson?

Thanks

Been getting the scroll across the screen where KGUN and Dish may part ways tonight or next Monday night. Carriage dispute note solved yet. So KGUN says Dish may not have channel 9 in there line-up.

ME-TV coming to Tucson...Yay KOLD !!!!!

http://metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?zipcode=85747&x=0&y=0

Is TVGOS available through Comcast, Tucson?

Thanks

Yes it is, Channel 9 is the feed.

Mick

Yes it is, Channel 9 is the feed.

Mick

Thanks Mick

KGUN and KWBA down? First it was KWBA for few days now KGUN went down today.... What's up?

KGUN and KWBA down? First it was KWBA for few days now KGUN went down today.... What's up?

KGUN is fine via Comcast, well except that the Mavs are a little behind...

ME-TV coming to Tucson...Yay KOLD !!!!!

http://metvnetwork.com/wherewatch.php?zipcode=85747&x=0&y=0

Looks like a bunch of old TV shows. Nevertheless, I'll probably check it out, especially if KOLD broadcasts the late night programming.

KGUN and KWBA down? First it was KWBA for few days now KGUN went down today.... What's up?


I'll second KWBA. Down since Sunday I think. Nothing posted on their website...but silicondust isn't showing them available on OTA right now either.

I mean over the air sorry guys… I just got home and noticed that KGUN is fine now… I was trying to watch NBA live via EyeTV app on my ipad… oh well...

I'll second KWBA. Down since Sunday I think. Nothing posted on their website...but silicondust isn't showing them available on OTA right now either.
Yeah both down… weird...

Looks like a bunch of old TV shows. Nevertheless, I'll probably check it out, especially if KOLD broadcasts the late night programming.
I am guessing Kold will put them on 13-3 over the air as it used to be Tube (music channel) and currently off the air.

Now KWBA is back on the air via over the air.

They had malfunction on KWBA: http://azstarnet.com/entertainment/television/article_04fbbbac-68cb-50d1-aeea-1b886228ea87.html

That's pretty funny. I didn't even notice they were gone. Pretty sad statement about their programming lineup.

I felt the same way - haven't noticed them in ages.

MeTV on KOLD

Classics MeTV should be up on KOLD 13.2 while moving the weather to 13.3.

MeTV is broadcasting on 32-4 now but will be mapped to 13-2. Weather/news has been moved to 13-3

All,

I was wondering if you have any suggestion on antenna for my current location in Tucson. The tvfool report is attached

Thank you in advance!
R

Comcast and a QAM tuner. You can probably get PBS/NBC/ABC/CBS with a cheap rabbit ears+loop combo, but it will be very difficult to get Fox without a huge antenna on the roof and a lot of luck.

MeTV is broadcasting on 32-4 now but will be mapped to 13-2. Weather/news has been moved to 13-3

Any info on the transmitter strength? Just found this channel, lots of great old TV series re-runs, but comes in very weak out here in Cochise County, around 55 miles from Mt. Bigelow. Thanks

KOLD is only putting out 108kW from Mt. Bigelow. For comparison, KVOA is 405, KUAT is 667.5, and KMSB and KTTU are 480.

KOLD is only putting out 108kW from Mt. Bigelow. For comparison, KVOA is 405, KUAT is 667.5, and KMSB and KTTU are 480.

Thanks, that does explain why it's so weak, less than 1/4 the power of the other UHF stations transmitting from Mt. Bigelow. KGUN is my weakest station, I forget the specifics but I believe they transmit with even less power in VHF. I had a large UHF only antenna that worked really well, but I switched to a smaller combo antenna when KGUN switched back to VHF. I may try using both antennas and combine the output.

KGUN is 10.3kW, directional towards the west. They're probably doing something closer to 5 in your direction, depending on where exactly you are in the county. If you multiply the VHF ERP by 15, that will tell you roughly what the power level would be for an equivalent UHF signal.

Comcast and a QAM tuner. You can probably get PBS/NBC/ABC/CBS with a cheap rabbit ears+loop combo, but it will be very difficult to get Fox without a huge antenna on the roof and a lot of luck.
Thanks for the insight. I tried rabbit ears and can get ABC and PBS. I can't get CBS or NBC. Any suggestions?

Try extending the ears and making sure they are horizontal and running roughly northwest/southeast (perpendicular to a line to the towers, which are SW of you). CBS (13) and NBC (4) are both VHF broadcasts, while ABC (16) and PBS (28) are UHF. VHF broadcasts are longer wavelength and need larger elements to receive, so extending the ears might help. Optimal length is 83" tip to tip for channel 4, and 26" for 13.

KGUN is 10.3kW, directional towards the west. They're probably doing something closer to 5 in your direction, depending on where exactly you are in the county. If you multiply the VHF ERP by 15, that will tell you roughly what the power level would be for an equivalent UHF signal.

Here's my TVFool signal analysis -

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9e748f09880424

It's showing KGUN with a noise margin of 14.2 for me, while KUAT 6.1 & KOLD 13.1 with lower NMs, 12.9 & 9.6, but they come in fine, so I'm thinking it's the crappy eBay antenna. It was pretty spotty for KGUN9 this past monsoon whenever there was heavy cloud cover or rain. I have a Winegard 9095 UHF yagi with channel master 7777 pre-amp and the UHF channels all showed 75-90% signal strength with it. But I was caught off guard when KGUN went back to VHF ch. 9 with the digital transition and bought this $40 combo UHF/VHF antenna off eBay that claimed reception up to 125 miles and had motorized rotation via remote control inside the house and I was thinking I would find more channels. I could still only get Mt. Bigelow stations and the rotation was worse, as any strong wind would knock it off alignment. I ended up striping out the rotater and rigged a fixed mount. And UHF channels now only come in at 58-70% signal strength.

I think I'm going to reinstall the 9095 for better UHF reception especially for 13.2 MeTV, and junk the crap eBay antenna and go with a Winegard YA1713 high band VHF yagi for optimal reception for KGUN. Sound like a plan?

Any claim of reception beyond 100 miles is at best misleading and in most cases complete BS. 125 miles on those cheapo antennas really means 62.5 miles in one direction, and 62.5 miles in the other direction when you use the rotator, and even that is overly optimistic compared to reputable manufacturers.

The 9095+YA1713 combo sounds like a good choice.

It's weird, I have a Antenna Direct DB2 Antenna and it is all UHF only and I can pick up KGUN (a Hi-V channel) with that antenna!

Also KGUN now has KGUN1 and KGUN2, both 9.1 on different frequency… so today KGUN1 lost the signal so I switched to KGUN2 which is still alive… then KGUN1 came back on… this was probably due to weather today 18.1 signal is lost as well…

UPDATE:
here's TV Fool link of my reception: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d83876873509241
you will find that K160eo is actually a KGUN2 which transmit UHF channel Although before KGUN1 went off air briefly due to weather, I was able to watch KGUN1 instead of KGUN2 still weird… I don't have any VHF antenna at all…

Actually, KGUN has had that setup for nearly two years now. The main signal on RF channel 9, comes from Mt. Bigelow, while a translator station, K16EO, broadcasts from Tumamoc Hill and serves Marana and Oro Valley. Since the translator is UHF (RF16), you should have no problem picking it up.

Most of the city of Tucson gets double coverage from the Mt. Bigelow stations that have translators either on Tumamoc Hill (KVOA and KGUN) or Tower Peak (KOLD). KUAT is on Mt. Bigelow while KUAS is on Tumamoc Hill, but their only duplication is on the primary subchannel.

Is anyone else out there having problems with KGUN 9 on DirecTv. I have been getting alot of macor blocking and digital interuptions while watching all programing on 9 lately.
It's on all receivers, but it is not happining on any other channel.

I have noticed that as well - had some blips watching Modern Family last night.

Me too. Noticed it all evening last night.

Glad to know I am not the only one. Wish they'd fix the problem.

Same here with KGUN I was starting to think my Directv dish needed to be realigned or the DVR was going out.

That was my first thought too, but it is the same on all of the receivers in the house. Must be a KGUN problem. Makes watching programing a PITA.

Noticed that there's 9.4 labeled as LWN added by KGUN but nothing coming thru.... My HDTV has the tendency to add if there's new channel without my intervention. No programming info or details...just wondered if anyone know...

Noticed that there's 9.4 labeled as LWN added by KGUN but nothing coming thru.... My HDTV has the tendency to add if there's new channel without my intervention. No programming info or details...just wondered if anyone know...

That's Live Well Network - Journal was supposed to be launching it today on four of their stations, including Tucson and Las Vegas, to replace The Cool TV, whom Journal accuses of not making payments as to their agreement.

I'm surprised to see it on 9.4; I was expecting it on 9.3.

KNXV, the ABC affiliate in Phoenix, added Live Well Network on Sept. 5th.

That's Live Well Network - Journal was supposed to be launching it today on four of their stations, including Tucson and Las Vegas, to replace The Cool TV, whom Journal accuses of not making payments as to their agreement.

I'm surprised to see it on 9.4; I was expecting it on 9.3.

KNXV, the ABC affiliate in Phoenix, added Live Well Network on Sept. 5th.
Yeah, on my hdtv via antenna, 9.3 is showing LWN logo and programming but when I press info, it's still giving me Cool TV and 9.4 is not showing anything but info is showing LWN. on my EYETV, I am not picking up 9.4 but 9.3 and 16.3 is showing LWN logo and LWN programming but channel show it as CoolTV2 but info match LWN programming. Maybe they are still working on it?

So far, not liking LWN over CoolTV. Hope it gets worked out.

Any claim of reception beyond 100 miles is at best misleading and in most cases complete BS. 125 miles on those cheapo antennas really means 62.5 miles in one direction, and 62.5 miles in the other direction when you use the rotator, and even that is overly optimistic compared to reputable manufacturers.

The 9095+YA1713 combo sounds like a good choice.

I'm in Scottsdale 109 miles from the transmitters in Tucson and I get perfect reception on all Tucson stations even KGUN using A 4 bow tie UHF antenna 10 ft above my chimney.Some mornings I get KWBA 144 miles from my house but rarely and only for a short time.

At Queencreek I've received the majority of Tucson stations with an indoor Phillips Silver Sensor on the second floor with a southern facing window. Rotate the antenna a bit and I have received most Phoenix stations. It's the best of both markets.

Is anyone else having issues with KOLD channel 13.1? Over the last week I have recorded two shows (using Windows Media Center), 2 Broke Girls on Monday and The Big Bang Theory last Thursday, and both had problems.

2BG had a huge number of skipped/freezing frames, and BBT only had the last 5 minutes recorded. When I tune into it right now, WMC says that there is no signal.

When I switch to subchannels 13.2 or 13.3 (the weather forecast), it receives signal.

Is this something on my side, or do other viewers with antenna have this problem? I haven't changed anything in my setup, and have no problems with other channels.

Nobody has any problems with KOLD? Or is this thread abandoned completely now...

Well, I haven't checked in a while... KOLD is not working now via OTA or 212 on comcast HD. Seems like HDTV via local broadcasts is just unreliable still. It maybe was OK when they had a steady SD broadcast but that's not the case any more and atleast locally here they still can't get their acts together. I suggest internet and usenet now.

Nobody has any problems with KOLD? Or is this thread abandoned completely now...

I haven't checked here in a while, Tucson certainly isn't the most active thread, couldn't believe it was on the second page of a search for "Tucson" (and never understood why so many other cities apparently mention Tucson in their threads)

Anyway, way out here in Cochise county between Benson & Willcox KOLD comes in fine. I've been recording Two and a Half Men all Fall in the time slot right after 2 Broke Girls and it's always perfect, and that's with Media Center in Win 7. Perhaps try a re-scan of of all channels in Media center? Mine is always dropping KVOA even though it always comes in fine on 3 TVs, a re-scan fixes it for awhile.

I haven't checked here in a while, Tucson certainly isn't the most active thread, couldn't believe it was on the second page of a search for "Tucson" (and never understood why so many other cities apparently mention Tucson in their threads)

Anyway, way out here in Cochise county between Benson & Willcox KOLD comes in fine. I've been recording Two and a Half Men all Fall in the time slot right after 2 Broke Girls and it's always perfect, and that's with Media Center in Win 7. Perhaps try a re-scan of of all channels in Media center? Mine is always dropping KVOA even though it always comes in fine on 3 TVs, a re-scan fixes it for awhile.

In the other direction, I pick up all of the full-power Bigelow signals from as far away as north Scottsdale, including KOLD with no difficulty. Micke, are you in NW Tucson, Marana or Oro Valley? If so, you may be getting the replacement translator for KOLD, which is broadcasting on RF ch 13, instead of the main signal on RF ch 32.

2 Broke girls didn't record at all this past week, but the shows before and after it were fine, so not sure what happened with that. If you are going to have any problems with one of the stations though, it will be with KOLD, they have been the red-headed stepchild of all the stations since DTV started back in 2007.

And KOLD is doing something because first my file sizes for Letterman and Ferguson shrunk this past week, down to 6.2 G and 5.5 G respectively when they used to be 6.9 G and 6.7 G, and then on Fri they blew up in size to 7.3 G and 7.0 G so now they are 5% larger than they used to be after they went 10% smaller for a few days, so I'm not sure what they are doing.

KOLD just dropped their weather feed, right? I would assume the bandwidth from that is being added back into the remaining HD and Me-TV.

- Trip

I've set up my sister's HDTV (Panasonic TC-L32X2) to receive clear QAM from Comcast in NW Tucson. The locals all come in except for two PBS channels: Create and V-Me. The TV picks up their PSIP names correctly but shows a black screen, no audio. My OnAir GT receives both of them.

Both subchannels are on physical channel 121 along with PBS Kid, KWBA-HD, KWBA-LA and World, all of which the Panasonic receives. Examining channel 121 with the GT and TSReader Lite (http://www.tsreader.com/tsreader/index.html) I believe the Service Type is incorrectly set to 4 (ATSC_data_only_service) for these two. It should be 2 (ATSC_digital_television) as all of the others are. See ATSC Standard: Program and System Information Protocol for Terrestrial Broadcast and Cable (Revision B) (http://www.dtvinnovations.com/pdf/a_65b.pdf), Table 6.7. Apparently some receivers respect the Service Type and others ignore it.

I'm snowbirding (not that there's been any snow to speak of back home) and won't have time to follow up on this with Comcast or KUAT. Could someone pass this along to a tech at either place (preferably both)?