Has anyone else with Dayton Time Warner noticed a change in WHIO on ClearQAM? Sometime in the past week it switched channels, and in the transition lost PSIP, or at least it's virtual channel number. So now instead of being 7-1, it's 111-2, which is really annoying.

Also, for as long as I've had a QAM tuner, I've noticed that WBDT also doesn't have a virtual channel number. For a while it was just listed as 99-1, but switched to 96-1 about a month ago. The WBDT situation is silly, but I'm used to it. However the change for WHIO is downright annoying.

Anyone have a guess as to whether there's a reason for this, or if anything can be done? Is it possible that Time Warner's engineers goofed a configuration and just don't know, since folks with QAM tuners aren't their primary audience?

Finally! now I know where the cw has been hiding all this time while watching TW. I had that same problem with WHIO. I figured it just disappeared, had no clue it moved up there. I don't check those higher channels much. I do have WHIO back where it is supposed to be though, but the CW is right there where you said it was. That is rather annoying though to have to remember that.

Anybody having problems with not getting the announcers for the PGA Championship on WHIO? I am getting all the other sound (crowd, club noise, etc.), but not any announcers except a bit in my subwoofer.

Surprised I haven't seen any posts about it yet, as I do believe it's likely WHIO started using the top mount/non-directional antenna sometime over the weekend ....

Surprised I haven't seen any posts about it yet, as I do believe it's likely WHIO started using the top mount/non-directional antenna sometime over the weekend ....

I drove by the WHIO tower today and it looks like the rigging is off the tower.

I am sure of it. I had been waiting for ages for the antenna work to finish, as I am in the western part of oxford and hadn't been able to get the digital signal at all.

With the browns game on 7.2 the other night, I was desperate for the work to finish in time. It didn't, but it at least saved me from seeing that mess. I rescanned this afternoon and am now receiving WHIO with no problems at all. It has to be the new antenna.

Surprised I haven't seen any posts about it yet, as I do believe it's likely WHIO started using the top mount/non-directional antenna sometime over the weekend ....

...that this would happen on the rare occasion I'm out of town, after waiting for so many months for the new-and-improved WHIO signal!

Now I have something to look forward to when I get home late Tuesday night! :D

I'm in western Preble County very close to the Indiana line. Receiving WHIO using my Dayton antenna, pointing east, has never been an issue. However, receiving WHIO using my Cincinnati antenna, pointing south southeast, was not possible. I'm happy to report that it is now. The signal level fluctuates between 85 & 100 on all of my HR-20's.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

Read this thread:

http://www.highdefforum.com/local-hdtv-info-reception/14818-tigerbangs-prescription-deep-fringe-reception.html

And this post:
http://www.highdefforum.com/167968-post43.html

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

Channels 2 and 22 are on adjacent channels (50 and 51). Sometimes it is hard to get them both.

Channel 7 is stronger for me by about 10 points, but it still bounces up and down about +/- 5, which may be an issue with my location.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.


Do you have a Pre-amp on the system? If not put the pre-amp at the antenna output. Also how are you feeding the signal to three tv's?

I am sitting in front of my TV in Far East Columbus, about 80 miles from the towers. According to TV-Fool, my strongest Dayton stations should be:

1. WHIO
2. WBDT
3. WDTN

Until today, the most likely station to come in was WBDT. Today, my reception is consistent with what TV-Fool says. WHIO was coming in loud and clear, WBDT had some pixelation, and WDTN was black until later in the evening. I was afraid I was going to lose WHIO since the old antenna was directional, and thought maybe it was beaming more power this way? Since the change, my signal has improved, I'm thinking it's because of the higher position on the tower?

We are late into August. I thought tropo season was in July ... can I expect these stations regularly with a suburban outdoor antenna?

I am sitting in front of my TV in Far East Columbus, about 80 miles from the towers. According to TV-Fool, my strongest Dayton stations should be:

1. WHIO
2. WBDT
3. WDTN

Until today, the most likely station to come in was WBDT. Today, my reception is consistent with what TV-Fool says. WHIO was coming in loud and clear, WBDT had some pixelation, and WDTN was black until later in the evening. I was afraid I was going to lose WHIO since the old antenna was directional, and thought maybe it was beaming more power this way? Since the change, my signal has improved, I'm thinking it's because of the higher position on the tower?

We are late into August. I thought tropo season was in July ... can I expect these stations regularly with a suburban outdoor antenna?

WHIO's chief engineer indicated they expected greatest improvement to the southwest (which, to my joy, HAS been the case!) -- I would guess this meant their side-mounted temporary antenna was located on the northeast side of the tower. The new permanent digital antenna is now atop their tower at 1120 feet, compared to the old temporary one at only 900 feet -- so a general "360 degree" improvement in their signal was also expected. I think you're definitely benefiting from the new-and-improved WHIO signal -- I know I am! :D

Anyone watching the game on WHIO tonite??? My receiver indicates a 5.1 DD incoming and 5.1 out but only the front left/right are putting out any real sound...Certainly not a surround sound though if i press my ear to the rear speaker I can barely hear what is coming from the front...

Watching on OTA on a HD STB (not a cecb) using Denon AVR...

Also I find it odd that the game is on NBC in Cleveland but CBS in Dayton...

Anyone watching the game on WHIO tonite???

Also I find it odd that the game is on NBC in Cleveland but CBS in Dayton...

The pre-season games are owned by the local teams and may be sold to any station in any market. Once the regular season starts, then the rights to the games are owned by the networks and they and their local affiliates determine which stations show which games.

WHIO's chief engineer indicated they expected greatest improvement to the southwest (which, to my joy, HAS been the case!) -- I would guess this meant their side-mounted temporary antenna was located on the northeast side of the tower.


No, it's because the side-mounted antenna used a directional antenna pattern with a big null in the pattern to the Southwest (and right towards what Was Co-channel WDRB 41 (analog) Louisville, KY )....

Here's the polar plot (for as long as it is available at FCC site) :

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?frame=Y&temp=67218&rotate=0.00&p0=0.894&p10=0.855&p20=0.837&p30=0.853&p40=0.907&p50=0.962&p60=0.990&p70=0.957&p80=0.902&p90=0.850&p100=0.833&p110=0.847&p120=0.883&p130=0.929&p140=0.970&p150=0.990&p160=0.976&p170=0.924&p180=0.837&p190=0.712&p200=0.551&p210=0.356&p220=0.190&p230=0.281&p240=0.370&p250=0.281&p260=0.193&p270=0.332&p280=0.532&p290=0.709&p300=0.849&p310=0.942&p320=0.990&p328=1.000&p330=0.999&p340=0.979&p350=0.939&p360=0.894&


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The pattern for WHIO's new, top mounted antenna is now non-directional and circular ....

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

There was some discussion of this on the Cincinnati thread in early August (Aug. 1 & 2, to be precise). It looks as though WRGT is using WKEF's old allotment of Ch. 22 analog as a low power "translator", for lack of a better word, of its 45.2 subchannel, which carries ThisTV from 2 AM until 6 PM, and MyNetwork programming from 6 PM until 2 AM.

I won't try to repeat the discussion and speculation about why they're doing this -- you can check out the Cincinnati thread on those dates and find out the story there. ;)

There was some discussion of this on the Cincinnati thread in early August (Aug. 1 & 2, to be precise). It looks as though WRGT is using WKEF's old allotment of Ch. 22 analog as a low power "translator", for lack of a better word, of its 45.2 subchannel, which carries ThisTV from 2 AM until 6 PM, and MyNetwork programming from 6 PM until 2 AM.

I won't try to repeat the discussion and speculation about why they're doing this -- you can check out the Cincinnati thread on those dates and find out the story there. ;)

This document should explain everything:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=398125&formid=346&q_num=5070

I'm guessing:

1. They want to keep it warm to maybe try relocating WKEF;

2. Extra bandwith for digital services; or

3. It's got value and they just don't want to give it up without trying to get something out of it? (WCSN-LP in Columbus aired all infomercials and just sold for $150,000). I guess they can always put Telemundo or something on it.

This document should explain everything:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=398125&formid=346&q_num=5070

I'm guessing:

1. They want to keep it warm to maybe try relocating WKEF;

2. Extra bandwith for digital services; or

3. It's got value and they just don't want to give it up without trying to get something out of it? (WCSN-LP in Columbus aired all infomercials and just sold for $150,000). I guess they can always put Telemundo or something on it.

WKEF-22 has "relocated" to RF 51, so RF 22 is already free, right? What kind of extra digital services would be likely? I thought that was the primary reason the channels above 52 were freed up by the DTV transition!

The last speculation seems most likely, actually. But one question remains -- why would Cincinnati's WSTR be messing around with this low power analog station in Dayton, but placing WRGT's 45.2 programming on it? I know Sinclair owns them both; still, it seems weird that they wouldn't continue using it as a translator for their full WSTR programming.

WSTR is not the My Network TV affiliate for Dayton. WRGT 45-2 is.

- Trip

WSTR is not the My Network TV affiliate for Dayton. WRGT 45-2 is.

- Trip

But the point was (I think) that WSTR used to have a translator in Dayton on Ch. 66, and is now playing around with another analog translator on Ch. 22. The confusion is not who the MyNetwork affiliate for Dayton is -- it's why WSTR would air WRGT programming on a translator supposedly under the control of WSTR. Of course, it's all one big happy Sinclair family, I guess -- maybe that explains it as well as it's going to be explained for now!

Perhaps the relatively new existence of 45-2 and its affiliation with MyNetwork forces the issue, preventing WSTR from simply airing its full schedule on a Dayton translator -- so they have to do something else instead. That brings up the earlier suggestion that they've got a really different "something else" up their sleeve!

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1. To be able to show an HD version of the subchannel. I know it's analog now, but maybe they will convert to digital?

2. To try and get back Channel 22. WKEF's preference was to go back to Channel 22, but was rejected by the FCC. Then again, WSYX going to Channel 48 was also rejected, and a subsequent application approved. Maybe they are going to try again since Channel 51 is such an awful place to be?

WTHR dumped digital 46 for their old VHF 13. They moved co-owned WALV-CA to Channel 46. I'm assuming this is to sit on the frequency in case they want it back? They better hurry.

WKEF-22 has "relocated" to RF 51, so RF 22 is already free, right? What kind of extra digital services would be likely? I thought that was the primary reason the channels above 52 were freed up by the DTV transition!

The last speculation seems most likely, actually. But one question remains -- why would Cincinnati's WSTR be messing around with this low power analog station in Dayton, but placing WRGT's 45.2 programming on it? I know Sinclair owns them both; still, it seems weird that they wouldn't continue using it as a translator for their full WSTR programming.

I don't know about that. $150k seems like a drop in the bucket for them. Some LPTV's sell for up to $500k, but those have programming and a revenue stream to justify that kind of price.

As to what kind of digital services? Who knows what's coming down the pike? The more spectrum you have, the better. Maybe they want to use it for more mobile TV capacity, or Wi-Fi, or Wireless Internet. I don't know what all the options are, but I know the more spectrum you have the better.

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1. To be able to show an HD version of the subchannel. I know it's analog now, but maybe they will convert to digital?

2. To try and get back Channel 22. WKEF's preference was to go back to Channel 22, but was rejected by the FCC. Then again, WSYX going to Channel 48 was also rejected, and a subsequent application approved. Maybe they are going to try again since Channel 51 is such an awful place to be?

WTHR dumped digital 46 for their old VHF 13. They moved co-owned WALV-CA to Channel 46. I'm assuming this is to sit on the frequency in case they want it back? They better hurry.

I haven't seen complaints anywhere, either from viewers or WKEF itself, about RF 51. Are there real problems with that particular UHF allotment? Sure, plenty of VHF stations seem to have real issues, but is 51 such a disaster? It's right next to WDTN on RF 50, of course, so some interference issues might arise from that alone, I suppose.

I think WKEF is the hardest channel to pick up out of Dayton, emery_r. Before I got an outdoor antenna I always had dropout issues for them, and I'm only 7 miles from the towers.

I think WKEF is the hardest channel to pick up out of Dayton, emery_r. Before I got an outdoor antenna I always had dropout issues for them, and I'm only 7 miles from the towers.

To the southwest of Dayton (around Hamilton), I'd say WKEF is on a par with WDTN and WBDT, better than WPTD and WRGT, and worse than WHIO now that they've completed their tower work. I can rarely pull in a viewable picture on WRGT without antenna gyrations!

Won't argue the point, though, if others are having more problems with WKEF than any other station.

To the southwest of Dayton (around Hamilton), I'd say WKEF is on a par with WDTN and WBDT, better than WPTD and WRGT, and worse than WHIO now that they've completed their tower work. I can rarely pull in a viewable picture on WRGT without antenna gyrations!

Won't argue the point, though, if others are having more problems with WKEF than any other station.

WKEF only has 138-kw of ERP. I know they are going up to 600-kw or something like that, but it still isn't 1,000-kw, AND they have the co-channel problems with WDTN. All I know is that it's the least likely station to come in over here in East Columbus during tropo hours. I've also read that the place to be in the digital world, is the lower end of the UHF spectrum. The lower your channel number, the less likely you have multipath issues.

For those of us still living under the tyranny of the TW beast, check your systems in the morning (Tuesday). Tonight is supposed to be the grand renumbering of all the channels in order to group like programming together. You will need to reset all of your DVR programming to reflect the new channel numbers or your wife will miss the latest episode of Flip that House and you'll be in the doghouse. :rolleyes:

For those of us still living under the tyranny of the TW beast, check your systems in the morning (Tuesday). Tonight is supposed to be the grand renumbering of all the channels in order to group like programming together. You will need to reset all of your DVR programming to reflect the new channel numbers or your wife will miss the latest episode of Flip that House and you'll be in the doghouse. :rolleyes:

I'd looked ahead a couple of days on several TW channels that will either be moved or dumped after this latest "grand switch", and saw listings that obviously will be incorrect after Aug. 25. Then again, I guess they'd have to do it that way -- no doubt they'll send a re-programming burst to all the DVRs to reset them at the appointed hour. Definitely will have to confirm all the series recordings I've scheduled... :o

I couldn't get the CSR who I talked to on Friday to tell me what the "Zero Hour" was. The best she could do was "When you wake up on Tuesday morning, all the channels will be changed to the new and improved groupings".

:p

I couldn't get the CSR who I talked to on Friday to tell me what the "Zero Hour" was. The best she could do was "When you wake up on Tuesday morning, all the channels will be changed to the new and improved groupings".

:p

As someone who works in IT, you never give an exact time when you have major changes... it only sets yourself up for failure. :)

I stumbled across a website with the new channel numbers. It's not on the normal TW Dayton website that I could find. This one is off the Cincy website.

Print your new lineup (http://twcinci.com/printyourlineup/)

WKEF only has 138-kw of ERP. I know they are going up to 600-kw or something like that, but it still isn't 1,000-kw, AND they have the co-channel problems with WDTN. All I know is that it's the least likely station to come in over here in East Columbus during tropo hours. I've also read that the place to be in the digital world, is the lower end of the UHF spectrum. The lower your channel number, the less likely you have multipath issues.

Also the higher the channel, the more power is required to cover the same area, especially at the fringes.


I have always had issues in gettting 2, 22, and 45 to all lock in at the same time. ususally I have to rotate the antenna slightly to get one of them and one of the other two will drop out. I will look forward to WKEF increasing power. Then all the stations will be comparable.

My brand new Pioneer TV gives both a signal level and quality indicator (first I've seen for that). On it, WKEF is the weakest of the Dayton stations. Almost all the other Dayton stations peg, or near peg the signal level and all give a 100 on the quality level.

I love this new TV. It lets me manually tune to each channel without leaving the menu and optimize the antenna for signal levels and once found, I can add the new channels to the channel list.

My old Pioneer TV had to do an auto scan to find new channels, which put a damper on dxing and my DirecTV Dvr ... well it is not OTA friendly, limiting you to two zip codes and in intermitable wait for channel/guide info to update when you change one.

I see that WHIO has scheduled a one-hour special on Wed. at 8 PM to mark the retirement of veteran newsman Jim Baldridge after 37 years at the station.

This is truly the end of an era in Dayton -- and it brings to mind (as one of those OLD enough to remember him well!) his co-worker and mentor, Don Wayne, who retired in 1988 after 47 years on WHIO radio and TV. Jim and Don overlapped for almost 15 years as news anchors -- and combined, they represent well over 65 continuous years of news excellence in Dayton.

Dayton viewers ought to make an effort to catch this special -- I'm sure we'll see many familiar stories and faces from Baldridge's long tenure. :D

The TW channel lineup switch happened as advertised with an unexpected bonus. Amazingly enough, all of my programmed recordings on my DVR converted over to the new channel numbers. I was shocked.

One minor complaint as a parent though. Whoever the genius was that though it was a good idea to put the On Demand Porn channels in the 700s was an idiot. There are going to be people, including kids, who are going to need a few days to get used to the new channel numbers. They are going to type "702" into their remote and get an On Demand channel for "Debbie Does Dallas 27". TW is going to be getting some calls about that for sure.

One minor complaint as a parent though. Whoever the genius was that though it was a good idea to put the On Demand Porn channels in the 700s was an idiot. There are going to be people, including kids, who are going to need a few days to get used to the new channel numbers. They are going to type "702" into their remote and get an On Demand channel for "Debbie Does Dallas 27". TW is going to be getting some calls about that for sure. That one of things that honestly pissed me off about Time Warner and we ran into over the weekend at my in-laws. My son was flipping through the guide and has to skip 10-20 "adult" channels. I'm no prude by any means, either, but I do want to "shelter" my son for a little while longer.... I do recall that with the old Passport guide that you could block the adult channels. Can you do the same with their home-grown guide ?

That was one of the greatest perks with DirecTV (and why I have TiVo now), was the ability to skip channels I didn't receive, or just those I didn't want to see, in the guide. It's a shame Navigator doesn't have this feature. I wonder if it's just something they overlooked or intentional, so you can see the channels you don't get in hopes that you'll order them?

Dish Network is the same way. We can cycle through "All channels", "All subscribed", "All HD" and then multiple user-defined favorites.

Personally, I'm convinced that they (TW) don't offer any options with this because they want you to see ALL channels, whether you can get them or not. And yes, it's a "maybe the customer will upgrade if they see what they're missing", IMO.

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

It's WSTR translator W22DE, previously W66AQ/displaced from channel 66 by the reallocation of ch 52~69 to other services. They moved to 22 via utilizing/repurposing WKEF 22 (analog) existing facilities ... They were running WRGT's 45.2 MyTV subchannel on channel 66 as well (As trip said, 45.2 being the Dayton MyTV affiliate) ....

For more info on that, you can also See here, from earlier in THIS thread :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10612858&highlight=w66aq#post10612858

Note: However, Some of the info in post at above link regarding WRGT/WBDT analog using the same tower as WRGT/WBDT/WKEF digitals is apparently incorrect -- WRGT analog was apparently on their original tower, very close(hence the coordinates seeming to involve the same tower location) to the new one with the crossmember+three masts on top(WRGT/WKEF and WBDT digitals) as was corrected recently by another poster in Cincinnati thread ..

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WRCX-LP

Oh -- Also -- Speaking of the Dayton LP's --- WRCX-LP 40 (Dayton's ION affiliate) analog signal disappeared here about a week before WHIO made the move to the top mounted non-directional antenna, I haven't seen them again (analog or digital on 40 ) here since then ... As I believe I noted earlier in thread, WRCX-LP has a Construction perimit for Digital Flash cut on 40, it's for 320 watts, directional antenna pattern ...

* Update 9/21 - Noticed sometime last week WRCX-LP's analog signal made it back to air (Still up 9/21 6:50PM EDT) ....

WWRD-LP

Also --- FCC just "accepted for filing" today a application for WWRD-LP 32 Dayton (Gospel Music channel/Cornerstore TV/etc) to go digital on channel 42 -- That one is for 15KW ERP, Non-direcitonal, same height and site of the analog on 32 (Bellbrook/Centerville area ) ... Here's the application itself :


https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101330389&formid=346&fac_num=17237

In case that link doesn't work :


Exhibit 1
Description: DISPLACEMENT

WWRD IS BEING DISPLACED BY WNDY, CH 32, MARION IN, THEREFORE, WE ARE APPLYING FOR A NEW CHANNEL AND ALSO TO CONVERT FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL OPERATION TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY.


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WWRD-LP is still (currently) on air with analog on 32 , W20CL still up on 20 (analog TBN translator, Springfield), currently has a digital companion channel CP for digital operation on channel 24 (W24DG-D) ....

Anyone watch the Redskins-Patriots game last night on WHIO? I thought they had raised black levels and picture was really soft. I checked the DirecTV retransmission of Ch 7 as well as OTA and they were identical. I rotated the antenna towards Columbus and watched via WBNS and it had dark crisp black levels and the picture looked a lot sharper.

Isn't SD black defined as IRE 7.5 and HD black at 0 IRE? Could this be that WHIO was applying SD black levels to their HD picture?

Not sure about the definition of SD vs. HD black, but I noticed all the blacks were washed out. The picture had no 'pop'.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

I was glad to see your post because I am experiencing the same problem. The HD channels have looked terrible since TW moved them to the 1000 series. I called TW last night and they denied any knowledge of an issue. They scheduled a service call for Saturday, so at least I will show the technician the poor picture quality.

I don't have TWC but someone here at work was just complaining of the same exact thing.

I was glad to see your post because I am experiencing the same problem. The HD channels have looked terrible since TW moved them to the 1000 series. I called TW last night and they denied any knowledge of an issue. They scheduled a service call for Saturday, so at least I will show the technician the poor picture quality.Is this for broadcast networks (NBC, ABC, etc.) as well as cable nets (ESPN-HD, Discovery, etc.)?

I've been unable to watch much TV since the switch but I have noticed that at least one of my DVRs is resetting itself every night.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

Kris09,

Let us know what the tech says when he comes out Saturday. I'd like to hear what the guy says before I call in.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

That used to be important to me as my 2007 Pioneer plasmas supported it. Anytime there was corruption in the data, the TV crashed. Happened at least once a month. Bug was crossed over at least three years models. You could turn it off and avoid the crashes, however.

I just upgraded to the 2009 Elites, the final Pioneer Plasma models and they don't have TVGoS support. They just support the PSIP info as you flip channels. I guess they got too many complaints over their implementation and dropped it.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

Same here! I didn't think much about it until I saw your post.

Kris09,

Let us know what the tech says when he comes out Saturday. I'd like to hear what the guy says before I call in.

We showed the technician examples of the problem (which I would describe as pixels freezing in different areas of the screen when there is any kind of movement in the scene, and just a bad quality picture overall) and he told us that TW is aware of the issue and that he himself has experienced it at home. He said TW engineers are working on re-compressing the signal and we should see continual improvement. So far I have seen a definite improvement on the ESPN HD channels, at least. They were terrible last weekend and early this week, but watching football on ESPN yesterday there was no problem. Other channels (TBS, HGTV for example) are still very bad. I haven't noticed it as an issue on the broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX).

Thanks for the update. ESPN was by far the worst offender for me, especially during football. I haven't watched much the past few days so I'll have to check it out tonight to see if I notice improvement. Thanks again for letting us know what the tech said. It's encouraging they are aware of it.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

Anyone know what is going on with WHIO and TVGoS?

It's been MIA, again, for about a week now!

Thanks!

Ken

Is 22 off the air??? I cannot get it even after a rescan...I do get every other Dayton channel effortlessly however...Very strange...I had been getting it no problem...

*EDIT* Nevermind...I guess It is an antenna issue I need to deal with...

Anyone know what is going on with WHIO and TVGoS?

It's been MIA, again, for about a week now!

Thanks!

Ken

I just emailed WHIO's chief engineer. If he responds, I'll let you know.

Paul

I just emailed WHIO's chief engineer. If he responds, I'll let you know.

Paul

He responded back that they're working on it and will have it back online as soon as the problem is corrected, but he gave no time indication.

At least they're aware of a problem.

He responded back that they're working on it and will have it back online as soon as the problem is corrected, but he gave no time indication.

At least they're aware of a problem.

OK, thanks!

At least now I know the problem isn't with my reception.

Ken

The problem is not in your set. ;)

I've got two of those DTVPal DVRs and neither one of them was receiving any information. I grew tired of seeing an empty guide so I put a Cincy zip code in one of them. It now displays the Cincinnati information provided by WKRC. I left my Dayton zip code in the other one so I can see if/when TVGoS starts working again.

I know most of you are WAY ahead of me on this but I just had to share this:

http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified-High-Definition-Antenna-Reception/dp/B0007MXZB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1253115815&sr=8-1

^^ This is the best $35 I've ever spent. I'm in Lima and just with that I'm getting all 4 WLIO owned HD networks in crystal clear HD and sound, all 4 WBGU channels, a few ABNs, WTLW, and some other odds and ends in all perfect picture and sound just with that thing.

I'm still in a pleasant stupor of shock right now because I really wasn't expecting much.

Recommended to all if you have the need! :)

Notice a few Dayton things perhaps of some interest :

#1). TVGoS streams are (currently) back in WHIO's transport stream --- I haven't looked at their TS in TSreader for a while, and first noticed they were back, yesterday ---- I also didn't check functionality with DTVPal DVR, as I have it set up to get the TVGoS listings for Cincy DMA from WKRC (using Cincy DMA zip code) ....

#2). WWRD-LP 32 (analog - generally has run religious programming) is currently running RTV programming ....

#3). 16.3 has changed from "Create" to "16 Life" .... The programming seems similar ...

Jeff,

That would be good news if TVGOS is up and running in Dayton. I lost it from WKRC. Maybe you can check them also.

Paul

Paul,

Just checked it again at 3:15pm, and the TVGoS streams are again not present currently in WHIO 's Stream ...

TVGoS seems to be working OK from WKRC ... The TVGoS streams are in their stream, and last I used DTVPal DVR's guide (last night), I had TVGoS listings from WKRC/For Cincy stations up to 1 week ahead (Next Thursday night) ...

I did however lose TVGoS listings on DTVPal DVR for WCET about a week ago, when they added the VC info for "world" ..... Tried rescanning/etc, but no dice ...I've also never seen TVGoS data for WXIX on DTVPal DVR .. (or WOTH, more understandably) ...

As for Dayton, it's been months since I set it up to use it from WHIO (using Dayton Zip - It takes up to at least 4 hours or so for the guide to populate at first, that's why I don't "switch" between using WKRC + WHIO that often, especially since for past several months, most of the time, the TVGoS data hasn't been present from WHIO's stream), but when I did check it and WHIO was sending it, I never got TVGoS listings for WRGT or WDTN ......

I happened to notice on the legal page of Time Warner that they are adding ten more high definition channels on Tuesday, October 27 in most areas in Dayton and Cincinnati. Just take the channel number and add 1,000 to it and that will be the location of the HD version.

Example, The Weather Channel is digital cable channel 370 in Dayton and Cincinnati... Weather HD will be 1370.


MSNBC HD
HLN HD
Travel Channel HD
The Weather Channel HD
E! HD
Versus HD
Biography HD
Disney XD HD
Speed HD
AMC HD


timewarnercable.com/dayton/support/policies/channelchange.html

Noticed a difference between WHIO and WKRC during the Bengals game. WKRC put out a wider and brighter audio signal. Did not notice if it was DD or not as I was going from my DVR direct to TV and not through my AVR. WHIO almost sounded mono.

No. Not even close. I specifically watch WHIO because they are 5.1 while WKRC is 2.0. A HUGE difference in sound quality, with the point going to WHIO.

I notice an increase in audio level from WKRC that's it. They are still 2.0 only.

I was going from my DVR direct to TV and not through my AVR. WHIO almost sounded mono.
Ok, sorry. I didn't catch this before. I guess it is possible since you were using your TV for the audio. I only use my AVR for audio 99% of the time.

Just a quick check:

Is anyone in the Dayton area receiving TVGOS information from WHIO Channel 7 as of today, October 24?

Thanks!

Ken

Yes, it's back. If you're using a DTVPal DVR, you'll have to do a reset to Factory settings to get it to reinitialize. Just remember that it will wipe out all your timer information. You should then have a fully populated guide in about 12 hours or so.

After a nice addition of HD channels at the end of October, it looks like even more HD channels coming to TWC on December 10:

Outdoor HD
Cartoon HD
TCM HD
Style HD
BBC America HD
Fox Business HD
WE HD
TV One HD
Planet Green HD
G4 HD

Here's a compiled TV schedule for the Dayton Flyers this year. As usual, WHIO will interrupt regularly scheduled network programming to show these games. WBDT has picked up one game from the Puerto Rico tournament. OTA only viewers will get 13 games. Cable/SAT viewers will get 23 games:


11/14 1pm - vs. Creighton (WHIO)
11/19 11:30am - vs. Georgia Tech (WBDT - Dayton's CW; Comcast Sports Southeast) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
11/20 3:00pm - vs. George Mason/Villanova (ESPNU) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
11/22 TBA - vs. TBA (ESPN2) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
12/2 7pm - @ Miami (WHIO)
12/8 7pm - @ George Mason (WHIO)
12/11 7pm - vs. Old Dominion (WHIO; Comcast Sportsnet Mid-Atlantic)
1/1 9pm - @ New Mexico (The Mountain (primary); CBS College Sports - HD (secondary))
1/5 8pm - vs. Ball State (WHIO)
1/9 2pm - vs. Duquense (CBS College Sports on WHIO)
1/13 9:30pm (approx) - @ Fordham (WHIO; MSG-HD?) (at Madison Square Garden)
1/16 11am - @ Xavier (ESPN2)
1/23 6pm - @ St. Joseph's (ESPNU)
1/26 7pm - vs. Rhode Island (WHIO; Cox Sports New England)
1/30 7pm - @ St. Bonaventure (WHIO)
2/6 12pm - vs. Xavier (ESPN2)
2/13 4pm - @ St. Louis (ESPNU)
2/18 7pm - vs. LaSalle (CBS College Sports)
2/21 1pm - vs. Duquense (ESPN2)
2/24 7pm - @ Temple (CBS College Sports on WHIO; Comcast Network)
2/27 7pm - vs. Massachusetts (CBS College Sports on WHIO)
3/4 7pm - @ Richmond (CBS College Sports)
3/6 7pm - vs. St. Louis (CBS College Sports on WHIO)