Surprised I haven't seen any posts about it yet, as I do believe it's likely WHIO started using the top mount/non-directional antenna sometime over the weekend ....

...that this would happen on the rare occasion I'm out of town, after waiting for so many months for the new-and-improved WHIO signal!

Now I have something to look forward to when I get home late Tuesday night! :D

I'm in western Preble County very close to the Indiana line. Receiving WHIO using my Dayton antenna, pointing east, has never been an issue. However, receiving WHIO using my Cincinnati antenna, pointing south southeast, was not possible. I'm happy to report that it is now. The signal level fluctuates between 85 & 100 on all of my HR-20's.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

Read this thread:

http://www.highdefforum.com/local-hdtv-info-reception/14818-tigerbangs-prescription-deep-fringe-reception.html

And this post:
http://www.highdefforum.com/167968-post43.html

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.

Channels 2 and 22 are on adjacent channels (50 and 51). Sometimes it is hard to get them both.

Channel 7 is stronger for me by about 10 points, but it still bounces up and down about +/- 5, which may be an issue with my location.

We live between Pleasant Hill and Bradford about 30 miles north of Dayton and 15 miles west of I75. Before the change to DTV we received 2, 7, 16, 22, 26 and 45 decently with a rooftop antenna. After the change we lost 22 altogether. Our antenna was pretty beat up and old so I did some research and bought a new one that should have been more than adequate for our location and has both VHF and UHF elements. After mounting it we still did not get 22 and lost 2 in the process. After some readjustment today, we weakly get 22 on one set of three and some 2 on two sets. Any suggestions?

Buy the way, with all the discussion of 7 WHIO it is the only major network channel we have consistently received.


Do you have a Pre-amp on the system? If not put the pre-amp at the antenna output. Also how are you feeding the signal to three tv's?

I am sitting in front of my TV in Far East Columbus, about 80 miles from the towers. According to TV-Fool, my strongest Dayton stations should be:

1. WHIO
2. WBDT
3. WDTN

Until today, the most likely station to come in was WBDT. Today, my reception is consistent with what TV-Fool says. WHIO was coming in loud and clear, WBDT had some pixelation, and WDTN was black until later in the evening. I was afraid I was going to lose WHIO since the old antenna was directional, and thought maybe it was beaming more power this way? Since the change, my signal has improved, I'm thinking it's because of the higher position on the tower?

We are late into August. I thought tropo season was in July ... can I expect these stations regularly with a suburban outdoor antenna?

I am sitting in front of my TV in Far East Columbus, about 80 miles from the towers. According to TV-Fool, my strongest Dayton stations should be:

1. WHIO
2. WBDT
3. WDTN

Until today, the most likely station to come in was WBDT. Today, my reception is consistent with what TV-Fool says. WHIO was coming in loud and clear, WBDT had some pixelation, and WDTN was black until later in the evening. I was afraid I was going to lose WHIO since the old antenna was directional, and thought maybe it was beaming more power this way? Since the change, my signal has improved, I'm thinking it's because of the higher position on the tower?

We are late into August. I thought tropo season was in July ... can I expect these stations regularly with a suburban outdoor antenna?

WHIO's chief engineer indicated they expected greatest improvement to the southwest (which, to my joy, HAS been the case!) -- I would guess this meant their side-mounted temporary antenna was located on the northeast side of the tower. The new permanent digital antenna is now atop their tower at 1120 feet, compared to the old temporary one at only 900 feet -- so a general "360 degree" improvement in their signal was also expected. I think you're definitely benefiting from the new-and-improved WHIO signal -- I know I am! :D

Anyone watching the game on WHIO tonite??? My receiver indicates a 5.1 DD incoming and 5.1 out but only the front left/right are putting out any real sound...Certainly not a surround sound though if i press my ear to the rear speaker I can barely hear what is coming from the front...

Watching on OTA on a HD STB (not a cecb) using Denon AVR...

Also I find it odd that the game is on NBC in Cleveland but CBS in Dayton...

Anyone watching the game on WHIO tonite???

Also I find it odd that the game is on NBC in Cleveland but CBS in Dayton...

The pre-season games are owned by the local teams and may be sold to any station in any market. Once the regular season starts, then the rights to the games are owned by the networks and they and their local affiliates determine which stations show which games.

WHIO's chief engineer indicated they expected greatest improvement to the southwest (which, to my joy, HAS been the case!) -- I would guess this meant their side-mounted temporary antenna was located on the northeast side of the tower.


No, it's because the side-mounted antenna used a directional antenna pattern with a big null in the pattern to the Southwest (and right towards what Was Co-channel WDRB 41 (analog) Louisville, KY )....

Here's the polar plot (for as long as it is available at FCC site) :

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?frame=Y&temp=67218&rotate=0.00&p0=0.894&p10=0.855&p20=0.837&p30=0.853&p40=0.907&p50=0.962&p60=0.990&p70=0.957&p80=0.902&p90=0.850&p100=0.833&p110=0.847&p120=0.883&p130=0.929&p140=0.970&p150=0.990&p160=0.976&p170=0.924&p180=0.837&p190=0.712&p200=0.551&p210=0.356&p220=0.190&p230=0.281&p240=0.370&p250=0.281&p260=0.193&p270=0.332&p280=0.532&p290=0.709&p300=0.849&p310=0.942&p320=0.990&p328=1.000&p330=0.999&p340=0.979&p350=0.939&p360=0.894&


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The pattern for WHIO's new, top mounted antenna is now non-directional and circular ....

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

There was some discussion of this on the Cincinnati thread in early August (Aug. 1 & 2, to be precise). It looks as though WRGT is using WKEF's old allotment of Ch. 22 analog as a low power "translator", for lack of a better word, of its 45.2 subchannel, which carries ThisTV from 2 AM until 6 PM, and MyNetwork programming from 6 PM until 2 AM.

I won't try to repeat the discussion and speculation about why they're doing this -- you can check out the Cincinnati thread on those dates and find out the story there. ;)

There was some discussion of this on the Cincinnati thread in early August (Aug. 1 & 2, to be precise). It looks as though WRGT is using WKEF's old allotment of Ch. 22 analog as a low power "translator", for lack of a better word, of its 45.2 subchannel, which carries ThisTV from 2 AM until 6 PM, and MyNetwork programming from 6 PM until 2 AM.

I won't try to repeat the discussion and speculation about why they're doing this -- you can check out the Cincinnati thread on those dates and find out the story there. ;)

This document should explain everything:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=398125&formid=346&q_num=5070

I'm guessing:

1. They want to keep it warm to maybe try relocating WKEF;

2. Extra bandwith for digital services; or

3. It's got value and they just don't want to give it up without trying to get something out of it? (WCSN-LP in Columbus aired all infomercials and just sold for $150,000). I guess they can always put Telemundo or something on it.

This document should explain everything:
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=398125&formid=346&q_num=5070

I'm guessing:

1. They want to keep it warm to maybe try relocating WKEF;

2. Extra bandwith for digital services; or

3. It's got value and they just don't want to give it up without trying to get something out of it? (WCSN-LP in Columbus aired all infomercials and just sold for $150,000). I guess they can always put Telemundo or something on it.

WKEF-22 has "relocated" to RF 51, so RF 22 is already free, right? What kind of extra digital services would be likely? I thought that was the primary reason the channels above 52 were freed up by the DTV transition!

The last speculation seems most likely, actually. But one question remains -- why would Cincinnati's WSTR be messing around with this low power analog station in Dayton, but placing WRGT's 45.2 programming on it? I know Sinclair owns them both; still, it seems weird that they wouldn't continue using it as a translator for their full WSTR programming.

WSTR is not the My Network TV affiliate for Dayton. WRGT 45-2 is.

- Trip

WSTR is not the My Network TV affiliate for Dayton. WRGT 45-2 is.

- Trip

But the point was (I think) that WSTR used to have a translator in Dayton on Ch. 66, and is now playing around with another analog translator on Ch. 22. The confusion is not who the MyNetwork affiliate for Dayton is -- it's why WSTR would air WRGT programming on a translator supposedly under the control of WSTR. Of course, it's all one big happy Sinclair family, I guess -- maybe that explains it as well as it's going to be explained for now!

Perhaps the relatively new existence of 45-2 and its affiliation with MyNetwork forces the issue, preventing WSTR from simply airing its full schedule on a Dayton translator -- so they have to do something else instead. That brings up the earlier suggestion that they've got a really different "something else" up their sleeve!

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1. To be able to show an HD version of the subchannel. I know it's analog now, but maybe they will convert to digital?

2. To try and get back Channel 22. WKEF's preference was to go back to Channel 22, but was rejected by the FCC. Then again, WSYX going to Channel 48 was also rejected, and a subsequent application approved. Maybe they are going to try again since Channel 51 is such an awful place to be?

WTHR dumped digital 46 for their old VHF 13. They moved co-owned WALV-CA to Channel 46. I'm assuming this is to sit on the frequency in case they want it back? They better hurry.

WKEF-22 has "relocated" to RF 51, so RF 22 is already free, right? What kind of extra digital services would be likely? I thought that was the primary reason the channels above 52 were freed up by the DTV transition!

The last speculation seems most likely, actually. But one question remains -- why would Cincinnati's WSTR be messing around with this low power analog station in Dayton, but placing WRGT's 45.2 programming on it? I know Sinclair owns them both; still, it seems weird that they wouldn't continue using it as a translator for their full WSTR programming.

I don't know about that. $150k seems like a drop in the bucket for them. Some LPTV's sell for up to $500k, but those have programming and a revenue stream to justify that kind of price.

As to what kind of digital services? Who knows what's coming down the pike? The more spectrum you have, the better. Maybe they want to use it for more mobile TV capacity, or Wi-Fi, or Wireless Internet. I don't know what all the options are, but I know the more spectrum you have the better.

Here are a couple of possibilities:

1. To be able to show an HD version of the subchannel. I know it's analog now, but maybe they will convert to digital?

2. To try and get back Channel 22. WKEF's preference was to go back to Channel 22, but was rejected by the FCC. Then again, WSYX going to Channel 48 was also rejected, and a subsequent application approved. Maybe they are going to try again since Channel 51 is such an awful place to be?

WTHR dumped digital 46 for their old VHF 13. They moved co-owned WALV-CA to Channel 46. I'm assuming this is to sit on the frequency in case they want it back? They better hurry.

I haven't seen complaints anywhere, either from viewers or WKEF itself, about RF 51. Are there real problems with that particular UHF allotment? Sure, plenty of VHF stations seem to have real issues, but is 51 such a disaster? It's right next to WDTN on RF 50, of course, so some interference issues might arise from that alone, I suppose.

I think WKEF is the hardest channel to pick up out of Dayton, emery_r. Before I got an outdoor antenna I always had dropout issues for them, and I'm only 7 miles from the towers.

I think WKEF is the hardest channel to pick up out of Dayton, emery_r. Before I got an outdoor antenna I always had dropout issues for them, and I'm only 7 miles from the towers.

To the southwest of Dayton (around Hamilton), I'd say WKEF is on a par with WDTN and WBDT, better than WPTD and WRGT, and worse than WHIO now that they've completed their tower work. I can rarely pull in a viewable picture on WRGT without antenna gyrations!

Won't argue the point, though, if others are having more problems with WKEF than any other station.

To the southwest of Dayton (around Hamilton), I'd say WKEF is on a par with WDTN and WBDT, better than WPTD and WRGT, and worse than WHIO now that they've completed their tower work. I can rarely pull in a viewable picture on WRGT without antenna gyrations!

Won't argue the point, though, if others are having more problems with WKEF than any other station.

WKEF only has 138-kw of ERP. I know they are going up to 600-kw or something like that, but it still isn't 1,000-kw, AND they have the co-channel problems with WDTN. All I know is that it's the least likely station to come in over here in East Columbus during tropo hours. I've also read that the place to be in the digital world, is the lower end of the UHF spectrum. The lower your channel number, the less likely you have multipath issues.

For those of us still living under the tyranny of the TW beast, check your systems in the morning (Tuesday). Tonight is supposed to be the grand renumbering of all the channels in order to group like programming together. You will need to reset all of your DVR programming to reflect the new channel numbers or your wife will miss the latest episode of Flip that House and you'll be in the doghouse. :rolleyes:

For those of us still living under the tyranny of the TW beast, check your systems in the morning (Tuesday). Tonight is supposed to be the grand renumbering of all the channels in order to group like programming together. You will need to reset all of your DVR programming to reflect the new channel numbers or your wife will miss the latest episode of Flip that House and you'll be in the doghouse. :rolleyes:

I'd looked ahead a couple of days on several TW channels that will either be moved or dumped after this latest "grand switch", and saw listings that obviously will be incorrect after Aug. 25. Then again, I guess they'd have to do it that way -- no doubt they'll send a re-programming burst to all the DVRs to reset them at the appointed hour. Definitely will have to confirm all the series recordings I've scheduled... :o

I couldn't get the CSR who I talked to on Friday to tell me what the "Zero Hour" was. The best she could do was "When you wake up on Tuesday morning, all the channels will be changed to the new and improved groupings".

:p

I couldn't get the CSR who I talked to on Friday to tell me what the "Zero Hour" was. The best she could do was "When you wake up on Tuesday morning, all the channels will be changed to the new and improved groupings".

:p

As someone who works in IT, you never give an exact time when you have major changes... it only sets yourself up for failure. :)

I stumbled across a website with the new channel numbers. It's not on the normal TW Dayton website that I could find. This one is off the Cincy website.

Print your new lineup (http://twcinci.com/printyourlineup/)

WKEF only has 138-kw of ERP. I know they are going up to 600-kw or something like that, but it still isn't 1,000-kw, AND they have the co-channel problems with WDTN. All I know is that it's the least likely station to come in over here in East Columbus during tropo hours. I've also read that the place to be in the digital world, is the lower end of the UHF spectrum. The lower your channel number, the less likely you have multipath issues.

Also the higher the channel, the more power is required to cover the same area, especially at the fringes.


I have always had issues in gettting 2, 22, and 45 to all lock in at the same time. ususally I have to rotate the antenna slightly to get one of them and one of the other two will drop out. I will look forward to WKEF increasing power. Then all the stations will be comparable.

My brand new Pioneer TV gives both a signal level and quality indicator (first I've seen for that). On it, WKEF is the weakest of the Dayton stations. Almost all the other Dayton stations peg, or near peg the signal level and all give a 100 on the quality level.

I love this new TV. It lets me manually tune to each channel without leaving the menu and optimize the antenna for signal levels and once found, I can add the new channels to the channel list.

My old Pioneer TV had to do an auto scan to find new channels, which put a damper on dxing and my DirecTV Dvr ... well it is not OTA friendly, limiting you to two zip codes and in intermitable wait for channel/guide info to update when you change one.

I see that WHIO has scheduled a one-hour special on Wed. at 8 PM to mark the retirement of veteran newsman Jim Baldridge after 37 years at the station.

This is truly the end of an era in Dayton -- and it brings to mind (as one of those OLD enough to remember him well!) his co-worker and mentor, Don Wayne, who retired in 1988 after 47 years on WHIO radio and TV. Jim and Don overlapped for almost 15 years as news anchors -- and combined, they represent well over 65 continuous years of news excellence in Dayton.

Dayton viewers ought to make an effort to catch this special -- I'm sure we'll see many familiar stories and faces from Baldridge's long tenure. :D

The TW channel lineup switch happened as advertised with an unexpected bonus. Amazingly enough, all of my programmed recordings on my DVR converted over to the new channel numbers. I was shocked.

One minor complaint as a parent though. Whoever the genius was that though it was a good idea to put the On Demand Porn channels in the 700s was an idiot. There are going to be people, including kids, who are going to need a few days to get used to the new channel numbers. They are going to type "702" into their remote and get an On Demand channel for "Debbie Does Dallas 27". TW is going to be getting some calls about that for sure.

One minor complaint as a parent though. Whoever the genius was that though it was a good idea to put the On Demand Porn channels in the 700s was an idiot. There are going to be people, including kids, who are going to need a few days to get used to the new channel numbers. They are going to type "702" into their remote and get an On Demand channel for "Debbie Does Dallas 27". TW is going to be getting some calls about that for sure. That one of things that honestly pissed me off about Time Warner and we ran into over the weekend at my in-laws. My son was flipping through the guide and has to skip 10-20 "adult" channels. I'm no prude by any means, either, but I do want to "shelter" my son for a little while longer.... I do recall that with the old Passport guide that you could block the adult channels. Can you do the same with their home-grown guide ?

That was one of the greatest perks with DirecTV (and why I have TiVo now), was the ability to skip channels I didn't receive, or just those I didn't want to see, in the guide. It's a shame Navigator doesn't have this feature. I wonder if it's just something they overlooked or intentional, so you can see the channels you don't get in hopes that you'll order them?

Dish Network is the same way. We can cycle through "All channels", "All subscribed", "All HD" and then multiple user-defined favorites.

Personally, I'm convinced that they (TW) don't offer any options with this because they want you to see ALL channels, whether you can get them or not. And yes, it's a "maybe the customer will upgrade if they see what they're missing", IMO.

Sorry if we've covered this already, but what's the deal with ThisTV showing up on analog channel 22?

It's WSTR translator W22DE, previously W66AQ/displaced from channel 66 by the reallocation of ch 52~69 to other services. They moved to 22 via utilizing/repurposing WKEF 22 (analog) existing facilities ... They were running WRGT's 45.2 MyTV subchannel on channel 66 as well (As trip said, 45.2 being the Dayton MyTV affiliate) ....

For more info on that, you can also See here, from earlier in THIS thread :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10612858&highlight=w66aq#post10612858

Note: However, Some of the info in post at above link regarding WRGT/WBDT analog using the same tower as WRGT/WBDT/WKEF digitals is apparently incorrect -- WRGT analog was apparently on their original tower, very close(hence the coordinates seeming to involve the same tower location) to the new one with the crossmember+three masts on top(WRGT/WKEF and WBDT digitals) as was corrected recently by another poster in Cincinnati thread ..

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WRCX-LP

Oh -- Also -- Speaking of the Dayton LP's --- WRCX-LP 40 (Dayton's ION affiliate) analog signal disappeared here about a week before WHIO made the move to the top mounted non-directional antenna, I haven't seen them again (analog or digital on 40 ) here since then ... As I believe I noted earlier in thread, WRCX-LP has a Construction perimit for Digital Flash cut on 40, it's for 320 watts, directional antenna pattern ...

* Update 9/21 - Noticed sometime last week WRCX-LP's analog signal made it back to air (Still up 9/21 6:50PM EDT) ....

WWRD-LP

Also --- FCC just "accepted for filing" today a application for WWRD-LP 32 Dayton (Gospel Music channel/Cornerstore TV/etc) to go digital on channel 42 -- That one is for 15KW ERP, Non-direcitonal, same height and site of the analog on 32 (Bellbrook/Centerville area ) ... Here's the application itself :


https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101330389&formid=346&fac_num=17237

In case that link doesn't work :


Exhibit 1
Description: DISPLACEMENT

WWRD IS BEING DISPLACED BY WNDY, CH 32, MARION IN, THEREFORE, WE ARE APPLYING FOR A NEW CHANNEL AND ALSO TO CONVERT FROM ANALOG TO DIGITAL OPERATION TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY.


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WWRD-LP is still (currently) on air with analog on 32 , W20CL still up on 20 (analog TBN translator, Springfield), currently has a digital companion channel CP for digital operation on channel 24 (W24DG-D) ....

Anyone watch the Redskins-Patriots game last night on WHIO? I thought they had raised black levels and picture was really soft. I checked the DirecTV retransmission of Ch 7 as well as OTA and they were identical. I rotated the antenna towards Columbus and watched via WBNS and it had dark crisp black levels and the picture looked a lot sharper.

Isn't SD black defined as IRE 7.5 and HD black at 0 IRE? Could this be that WHIO was applying SD black levels to their HD picture?

Not sure about the definition of SD vs. HD black, but I noticed all the blacks were washed out. The picture had no 'pop'.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

I was glad to see your post because I am experiencing the same problem. The HD channels have looked terrible since TW moved them to the 1000 series. I called TW last night and they denied any knowledge of an issue. They scheduled a service call for Saturday, so at least I will show the technician the poor picture quality.

I don't have TWC but someone here at work was just complaining of the same exact thing.

I was glad to see your post because I am experiencing the same problem. The HD channels have looked terrible since TW moved them to the 1000 series. I called TW last night and they denied any knowledge of an issue. They scheduled a service call for Saturday, so at least I will show the technician the poor picture quality.Is this for broadcast networks (NBC, ABC, etc.) as well as cable nets (ESPN-HD, Discovery, etc.)?

I've been unable to watch much TV since the switch but I have noticed that at least one of my DVRs is resetting itself every night.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

Kris09,

Let us know what the tech says when he comes out Saturday. I'd like to hear what the guy says before I call in.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

That used to be important to me as my 2007 Pioneer plasmas supported it. Anytime there was corruption in the data, the TV crashed. Happened at least once a month. Bug was crossed over at least three years models. You could turn it off and avoid the crashes, however.

I just upgraded to the 2009 Elites, the final Pioneer Plasma models and they don't have TVGoS support. They just support the PSIP info as you flip channels. I guess they got too many complaints over their implementation and dropped it.

Any one else notice that since the TW change that the HD channels seem really bit-starved? For me it's really noticeable during scenes with motion. It didn't used to be that way before the switch.

Same here! I didn't think much about it until I saw your post.

Kris09,

Let us know what the tech says when he comes out Saturday. I'd like to hear what the guy says before I call in.

We showed the technician examples of the problem (which I would describe as pixels freezing in different areas of the screen when there is any kind of movement in the scene, and just a bad quality picture overall) and he told us that TW is aware of the issue and that he himself has experienced it at home. He said TW engineers are working on re-compressing the signal and we should see continual improvement. So far I have seen a definite improvement on the ESPN HD channels, at least. They were terrible last weekend and early this week, but watching football on ESPN yesterday there was no problem. Other channels (TBS, HGTV for example) are still very bad. I haven't noticed it as an issue on the broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX).

Thanks for the update. ESPN was by far the worst offender for me, especially during football. I haven't watched much the past few days so I'll have to check it out tonight to see if I notice improvement. Thanks again for letting us know what the tech said. It's encouraging they are aware of it.

It appears that TVGoS is not working again from WHIO.

Anyone know what is going on with WHIO and TVGoS?

It's been MIA, again, for about a week now!

Thanks!

Ken

Is 22 off the air??? I cannot get it even after a rescan...I do get every other Dayton channel effortlessly however...Very strange...I had been getting it no problem...

*EDIT* Nevermind...I guess It is an antenna issue I need to deal with...

Anyone know what is going on with WHIO and TVGoS?

It's been MIA, again, for about a week now!

Thanks!

Ken

I just emailed WHIO's chief engineer. If he responds, I'll let you know.

Paul

I just emailed WHIO's chief engineer. If he responds, I'll let you know.

Paul

He responded back that they're working on it and will have it back online as soon as the problem is corrected, but he gave no time indication.

At least they're aware of a problem.

He responded back that they're working on it and will have it back online as soon as the problem is corrected, but he gave no time indication.

At least they're aware of a problem.

OK, thanks!

At least now I know the problem isn't with my reception.

Ken

The problem is not in your set. ;)

I've got two of those DTVPal DVRs and neither one of them was receiving any information. I grew tired of seeing an empty guide so I put a Cincy zip code in one of them. It now displays the Cincinnati information provided by WKRC. I left my Dayton zip code in the other one so I can see if/when TVGoS starts working again.

I know most of you are WAY ahead of me on this but I just had to share this:

http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified-High-Definition-Antenna-Reception/dp/B0007MXZB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1253115815&sr=8-1

^^ This is the best $35 I've ever spent. I'm in Lima and just with that I'm getting all 4 WLIO owned HD networks in crystal clear HD and sound, all 4 WBGU channels, a few ABNs, WTLW, and some other odds and ends in all perfect picture and sound just with that thing.

I'm still in a pleasant stupor of shock right now because I really wasn't expecting much.

Recommended to all if you have the need! :)

Notice a few Dayton things perhaps of some interest :

#1). TVGoS streams are (currently) back in WHIO's transport stream --- I haven't looked at their TS in TSreader for a while, and first noticed they were back, yesterday ---- I also didn't check functionality with DTVPal DVR, as I have it set up to get the TVGoS listings for Cincy DMA from WKRC (using Cincy DMA zip code) ....

#2). WWRD-LP 32 (analog - generally has run religious programming) is currently running RTV programming ....

#3). 16.3 has changed from "Create" to "16 Life" .... The programming seems similar ...

Jeff,

That would be good news if TVGOS is up and running in Dayton. I lost it from WKRC. Maybe you can check them also.

Paul

Paul,

Just checked it again at 3:15pm, and the TVGoS streams are again not present currently in WHIO 's Stream ...

TVGoS seems to be working OK from WKRC ... The TVGoS streams are in their stream, and last I used DTVPal DVR's guide (last night), I had TVGoS listings from WKRC/For Cincy stations up to 1 week ahead (Next Thursday night) ...

I did however lose TVGoS listings on DTVPal DVR for WCET about a week ago, when they added the VC info for "world" ..... Tried rescanning/etc, but no dice ...I've also never seen TVGoS data for WXIX on DTVPal DVR .. (or WOTH, more understandably) ...

As for Dayton, it's been months since I set it up to use it from WHIO (using Dayton Zip - It takes up to at least 4 hours or so for the guide to populate at first, that's why I don't "switch" between using WKRC + WHIO that often, especially since for past several months, most of the time, the TVGoS data hasn't been present from WHIO's stream), but when I did check it and WHIO was sending it, I never got TVGoS listings for WRGT or WDTN ......

I happened to notice on the legal page of Time Warner that they are adding ten more high definition channels on Tuesday, October 27 in most areas in Dayton and Cincinnati. Just take the channel number and add 1,000 to it and that will be the location of the HD version.

Example, The Weather Channel is digital cable channel 370 in Dayton and Cincinnati... Weather HD will be 1370.


MSNBC HD
HLN HD
Travel Channel HD
The Weather Channel HD
E! HD
Versus HD
Biography HD
Disney XD HD
Speed HD
AMC HD


timewarnercable.com/dayton/support/policies/channelchange.html

Noticed a difference between WHIO and WKRC during the Bengals game. WKRC put out a wider and brighter audio signal. Did not notice if it was DD or not as I was going from my DVR direct to TV and not through my AVR. WHIO almost sounded mono.

No. Not even close. I specifically watch WHIO because they are 5.1 while WKRC is 2.0. A HUGE difference in sound quality, with the point going to WHIO.

I notice an increase in audio level from WKRC that's it. They are still 2.0 only.

I was going from my DVR direct to TV and not through my AVR. WHIO almost sounded mono.
Ok, sorry. I didn't catch this before. I guess it is possible since you were using your TV for the audio. I only use my AVR for audio 99% of the time.

Just a quick check:

Is anyone in the Dayton area receiving TVGOS information from WHIO Channel 7 as of today, October 24?

Thanks!

Ken

Yes, it's back. If you're using a DTVPal DVR, you'll have to do a reset to Factory settings to get it to reinitialize. Just remember that it will wipe out all your timer information. You should then have a fully populated guide in about 12 hours or so.

After a nice addition of HD channels at the end of October, it looks like even more HD channels coming to TWC on December 10:

Outdoor HD
Cartoon HD
TCM HD
Style HD
BBC America HD
Fox Business HD
WE HD
TV One HD
Planet Green HD
G4 HD

Here's a compiled TV schedule for the Dayton Flyers this year. As usual, WHIO will interrupt regularly scheduled network programming to show these games. WBDT has picked up one game from the Puerto Rico tournament. OTA only viewers will get 13 games. Cable/SAT viewers will get 23 games:


11/14 1pm - vs. Creighton (WHIO)
11/19 11:30am - vs. Georgia Tech (WBDT - Dayton's CW; Comcast Sports Southeast) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
11/20 3:00pm - vs. George Mason/Villanova (ESPNU) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
11/22 TBA - vs. TBA (ESPN2) (Puerto Rico Tournament)
12/2 7pm - @ Miami (WHIO)
12/8 7pm - @ George Mason (WHIO)
12/11 7pm - vs. Old Dominion (WHIO; Comcast Sportsnet Mid-Atlantic)
1/1 9pm - @ New Mexico (The Mountain (primary); CBS College Sports - HD (secondary))
1/5 8pm - vs. Ball State (WHIO)
1/9 2pm - vs. Duquense (CBS College Sports on WHIO)
1/13 9:30pm (approx) - @ Fordham (WHIO; MSG-HD?) (at Madison Square Garden)
1/16 11am - @ Xavier (ESPN2)
1/23 6pm - @ St. Joseph's (ESPNU)
1/26 7pm - vs. Rhode Island (WHIO; Cox Sports New England)
1/30 7pm - @ St. Bonaventure (WHIO)
2/6 12pm - vs. Xavier (ESPN2)
2/13 4pm - @ St. Louis (ESPNU)
2/18 7pm - vs. LaSalle (CBS College Sports)
2/21 1pm - vs. Duquense (ESPN2)
2/24 7pm - @ Temple (CBS College Sports on WHIO; Comcast Network)
2/27 7pm - vs. Massachusetts (CBS College Sports on WHIO)
3/4 7pm - @ Richmond (CBS College Sports)
3/6 7pm - vs. St. Louis (CBS College Sports on WHIO)

Has anyone been having any issues with ota reception of WHIO? I've been getting very frequent dropouts and wanted to check with others before going crazy trying to fix it.

I haven't been using my TV with the antenna hooked up to it, but I noticed the DirecTV WHIO-DT feed has been having pixelization this morning.

mlbUC,

Thanks for your report.

This is so frequent that it's unwatchable. Even if the picture stays intact, the sound dropouts make me crazy.

All my other channels come in just fine, including all of Cincinnati, but I know "issues" can be very frequency specific.

Paul - YES! I use an antenna in my attic for the locals - I split the signal between my built-in tuner and my HDTIVO. I've noticed audio drop-outs on WHIO over the last few weeks - very annoying! Then yesterday - it was unbearable!! I was thinking I need to go up in the attic and re-postion the antenna, but was going to check here first. Anyone else have this? I'm in Washington Twp, about 9 miles from the antenna, as the crow flies. We all need to report this to the station.

Yes, OTA here (Cinti area) and the audio dropouts are on WHIO's end. I have a great signal and the picture (so far) is perfect, it is the audio that is dropping out frequently. So frequently, I wouldn't continue watching, instead I'd watch WKRC out of Cinti. I hope it gets resolved before the games begin today.

I'm also experiencing the same WHIO problems to the point I could barely watch the football game yesterday. How can we report this to the station so they will have it 'fixed' for the Browns / Bengals game this afternoon?

John

OK, so I see the picture is also screwing up. WKRC is trouble free.

I first noticed WHIO had issues when trying to watch 'Ellen' in the afternoons and the audio wasn't synched, so everyone moved their lips after the words had already been spoken. However, WHIO ran a crawler and stated they were aware of the issue and attempting to correct it. I never watched long enough to see if they had or not.

I'm also experiencing the same WHIO problems to the point I could barely watch the football game yesterday. How can we report this to the station so they will have it 'fixed' for the Browns / Bengals game this afternoon?

John

I assure you, WHIO is very much aware of their issues. I'm not sure if the local programming is affected like the network programming is though. Does this problem exist when the evening local news is aired? If not, chances are good that the game will be fine.

I only care about WHIO for the football games because they are surround sound and Cinti WKRC is 2 channel.

Well, so much for that idea. ;)

It appears ALL PROGRAMMING is affected. Be prepared to watch WKRC for the game today!

WHIO is also responsible for my Pioneer Pro-110FD spontaneously shutting down (Blinking Blue LED 12x's) due to corrupt TVGuide data which a Tv should not due but that is a characteristic of all Pioneers that utilize the TvGuide info.

Seeing the game is only part of my issue as this corrupt data has a negative effect on our overall Tv viewing experience.

Is there a contact I could at least email with my issues?

Thanks,
John

TVGOS is not controlled by the local station in any way except for the ability to reboot it if Rovi tells them to. Any complaints about TVGOS service should be directed to Rovi.

- Trip

TVGOS is not controlled by the local station in any way except for the ability to reboot it if Rovi tells them to. Any complaints about TVGOS service should be directed to Rovi.

- Trip

I believe the issue with my Pioneer shutting down is being caused by corrupt data which I feel is being caused by whatever the issue is at WHIO. I actually reset the TvGuide last night and noticed it had repopulated over night. Just trying to figure out why my Tv is shutting down due to corrupt TvGuide data.

Who is Rovi?

John

Rovi is the company that provides TVGOS. If the whole datastream (video and all) from WHIO is corrupt, it could be their fault, but even then that's not a TVGOS problem.

If after the audio problem is repaired you're still having TVGOS issues, complaining to WHIO will get you nowhere. Last summer I worked for a station who had TVGOS and the gear is 100% controlled by Rovi, the local station can only reboot it upon request from Rovi, or take it offline to troubleshoot a problem elsewhere in the system. That's it. Everything else about it is completely controlled by Rovi, remotely.

- Trip

I'm getting total signal drops now from WHIO.

I'd recently made some changes with my setup--added a splitter, chimney work (antenna mounted on chimney), etc.--and thought I'd screwed myself. At least I know I don't have to reinvent the wheel to fix the problem.

Ugh... didn't even think about it for the Bengals game today. I may be moving my antenna this afternoon.

D* is showing an error on channel 7 now, saying that it is having technical difficulties and they are aware of it.

D* is showing an error on channel 7 now, saying that it is having technical difficulties and they are aware of it.

Good thing for OTA and Cincinnati WKRC. I guess that D* should have sprung for a fiber run, instead of a OTA pickup.

Same issue on E*/OTA... oh well at least I have NFL Redzone and PIP... FWIW, I started noticing the problem yesterday during the UF/FSU game...

DirecTV turned off the Dayton blackout for the Sunday Ticket version of the game... now I'm getting it in the best quality I've seen all season (thanks to the lack of compression).

Same issue on E*/OTA... oh well at least I have NFL Redzone and PIP... FWIW, I started noticing the problem yesterday during the UF/FSU game...

Yup, same here in Fairfield (OTA).

WHIO has finally started to run a crawl that the technical difficulty is at their end and they're working on it.

DirecTV turned off the Dayton blackout for the Sunday Ticket version of the game... now I'm getting it in the best quality I've seen all season (thanks to the lack of compression).

Why was there a blackout? Sunday ticket version is not the same telecast as CBS I assume? (never had a dish so I'm ignorant and curious)

Why was there a blackout? Sunday ticket version is not the same telecast as CBS I assume? (never had a dish so I'm ignorant and curious)

When the game is shown on local TV (whether the Bengals or anybody else) they protect the local channel's ratings (local commercials, etc.). Therefore they black out the games televised locally.

We are showing 100% signal strength and 100% signal quality, but are not able to see anything. We have an antenna, are they down?

We are showing 100% signal strength and 100% signal quality, but are not able to see anything. We have an antenna, are they down?

Appears so... just flipped back to the OTA feed and I got nothing.

thanks for verifying.

4:20PM, WHIO is blacked out. Signal still stable and strong.

Has WHIO come back up yet? I am quite curious to hear how this turns out.

- Trip

Has WHIO come back up yet? I am quite curious to hear how this turns out.

- Trip

Nope.

Yea I posted in the Cincy thread asking if anyone else had a strong signal and video/audio issues from Fairfield.

I was happy to hear for once the problem is not in my set. :)

I wonder how many of the D* subscribers that turned on the Sunday Ticket feed (they gave it away for free to Dayton DMA viewers, with a message on the screen instructing them to turn it there) noticed how much better the picture quality was today. No pixelization, full resolution and bitrate from the ST feed compared to the bitstarved (thanks to 7.2) version shown by WHIO every week.

I watched the 4th quarter on the Sunday ticket feed. Indeed the picture is better with the MPEG 4 encryption they use.

WHIO is transmitting the analog equivalent of dead air. There apparently is the suppressed carrier pilot transmission causing signal strength meters to show them on-the-air, but there is no digital transport stream being transmitted; therefore, no picture or sound.

Does anyone have the capability of analyzing the WHIO signal to confirm?

There is nothing to confirm. WHIO is broadcasting, but there is nothing on the carrier. Hence, a black (or blue) screen.

Well, there's something there my DTVPal DVR doesn't like. It gets hung on 7.1 every time I tune to it.

Looks like they're making progress. Now 7.1 has SD picture but no sound.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21754732/detail.html

This isn't entirely true, because the issue started on Saturday...

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21754732/detail.html

This isn't entirely true, because the issue started on Saturday...

I saw it on Sunday morning at about 9AM as well.

This has been going on for a lot longer than sunday morning at 10:30am. I've been seeing glitches and random pixelation for at least a month now and it was pretty bad Saturday night as well.

This has been going on for a lot longer than sunday morning at 10:30am. I've been seeing glitches and random pixelation for at least a month now and it was pretty bad Saturday night as well.

Agreed--several weeks and it was getting worse up until it totally failed yesterday. I've got a couple weeks worth of shows on the DVR that were having pretty consistent sound drops. I have to turn on the captioning to keep up with the dialogue.

Back up according to the Dayton Daily News.

This has been going on for a lot longer than sunday morning at 10:30am. I've been seeing glitches and random pixelation for at least a month now and it was pretty bad Saturday night as well.

Yep - about a month for me. Its been ongoing and progressively worse.

Back up according to the Dayton Daily News.

Still in SD for me. 7.2 is still down as well.

The station first began experiencing intermittent problems at about 11 a.m. Sunday... They're standing by this time-frame. :)

Channel 2 appears to be having issues too. Did anyone notice all of the weird glitches and picture twitches last night?
Thankfully it appears that the Cincy stations all have their act together. No problems at all with channels 5 or 12.

Yes, noticed it on Sunday Night Football--like it was dropping frames. It looked fine on WLWT.

Am I the only one bothered by the lack of information/details coming through about this problem?

I mean...we're talking major day-long outage for a network in a reasonably significant DMA... all we got is a press release saying "We know it's not working" and then another one saying "It's mostly working now".

The techie side of me is very curious about what process broke down and what kind of system they had that caused the problem. The consumer side of me is very surprised that heads haven't rolled in the Engineering dept.

Maybe we'll never know...

I bet WHIO's advertisers are happy too!

Am I the only one bothered by the lack of information/details coming through about this problem?

I mean...we're talking major day-long outage for a network in a reasonably significant DMA... all we got is a press release saying "We know it's not working" and then another one saying "It's mostly working now".

The techie side of me is very curious about what process broke down and what kind of system they had that caused the problem. The consumer side of me is very surprised that heads haven't rolled in the Engineering dept.

Maybe we'll never know...

I think it was cause by the failure of transistor Q 4 in the Quadplex.

Serious it looks like a failure of the Harris Flexcoder.

Serious it looks like a failure of the Harris Flexcoder.

If that is the case how did Time Warner get the signal? Doesn't it go through the Flexcoder before it gets sent over the fiber to TWC?

Concerning TVGoS data from WHIO, over the past few months, the TVGoS streams have been in their transport stream At some times, and not there at other times .... --- Including more recently(Just before the issues beginning over the weekend - As one might expect, given they don't have the 7.2 Video/Audio streams or EPG info/EITs back up yet -- There have been no TVGoS from them since then) --- There at some times during any given day/night, not there at other times ... Don't know, but would speculate perhaps it's possible that sort of situation may have had something to do with Jon's issues .....

There is some info from Rovi concerning the matter here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17430151&postcount=7621

If that is the case how did Time Warner get the signal? Doesn't it go through the Flexcoder before it gets sent over the fiber to TWC?

Dunno, but my wild guess at first was that it might have been a STL issue, or perhaps a muxing issue -- Whatever it was, when the issue was occuring over the weekend 7.2 Video/Audio was hosed as well ... I didn't manage to look at their TS with TSreader until later in evening Sunday(when there was nothing but Null packets in the stream), As I was watching the Game on WKRC/etc .....

In any case, Their RF signal remained fine throughout, and At one point for an extended period late Sunday Afternoon/Early evening the TS was 100% null packets(but there were no TEI or discontinuity errors in the stream) -- No PSIP, No Video/Audio streams or anything else --- which would be what would happen if The transmitter/exciter were still working fine but the STL was lost ....

Anyway, They've still been sending 1080i on 7.1 (They still need a HD MPEG2 encoder to do that), but all the programming when I've checked it when HD programming should be airing has been upconverted 4x3 SD Since they got video video back up Sunday Night ... Current TSreader HTML export included in attached zip file(without thumbnails, there are no EITs currently - Which is actually not unusual for them, the EIT streams/EPG info seems to disappear from them almost every 2 weekends or so for a few days ) ....

Concerning TVGoS data from WHIO, over the past few months, the TVGoS streams have been in their transport stream At some times, and not there at other times .... --- Including more recently(Just before the issues beginning over the weekend - As one might expect, given they don't have the 7.2 Video/Audio streams or EPG info/EITs back up yet -- There have been no TVGoS from them since then) --- There at some times during any given day/night, not there at other times ... Don't know, but would speculate perhaps it's possible that sort of situation may have had something to do with Jon's issues .....

There is some info from Rovi concerning the matter here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17430151&postcount=7621

Thanks for your post as I'm greater than 99% sure my problem, which appears to be resolved, was due to the incoherent data being transmitted by WHIO. I do not leave the TV on channel 7 when we turn off and the problem has not reoccurred.

What is going on with channel 2 and 7 in a major market like Dayton allowing problems like these to proliferate into major problems?

John

There's no indication I'm aware of at this point concerning whether or not WHIO TVGoS issues may or may not be related to other issues they are having, nor, AFAIK any indication WHIO's TVGoS data was corrupt WHEN it was being sent ... In fact, my understanding is, (up until Sometime Sunday, anyway) the EPG data from WHIO has been populating folks TVGoS Guides ... I've been using WKRC as the TVGoS Guide source for DTVPal DVR, so I can't comment on that part, except to say the last time I had it set up to use WHIO (which was Last spring sometime) It worked ....

To say what I said in my last post in a different way ---- Regarding WHIO's TVGoS data, all I know is, recently -- the TVGoS streams were there in their transport stream some of the time, not there at other times --- Which seems to correspond with the info from Rovi posted in another thread ..... Still, that seems unusual, and I don't know, but one might suspect it possibile that some user equipment which decodes the TVGoS Data *may* "expect" the TVGoS streams to be present in the providing station
's Transport stream at all times, as is the case with WKRC -- 24/7 -- and was the case from WHIO prior to sometime earlier this summer .....

Does anyone have a clear QAM listing for TWC in Dayton?

The only one I could find is over 2 years old and looks like this:
93.3 - WRGT
91.2 - WHIO
22.1 - WKEF
16.2-16.5 - WPTD channels (kids, Ohio, etc.)
16.6 - WPTD HD (not always broadcasting)
48.2, 48.3 - WCET channels
48.1 - WCET HD (not always broadcasting)
114.1 Discovery HD
114.2 TNT HD
117.1, 118.2, 119.3, 120.4 - Random PBS channels. (I'm pretty sure all of these channels used to be random EWTN channels.)

still cant get 7.2, so no hd stuff on 7 at all, and i have quit watching it till they do.

Does anyone have a clear QAM listing for TWC in Dayton?

The only one I could find is over 2 years old...

You can try here: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

I'm not sure how accurate they'll be since TWC keeps changing things around. Put in your zip, then select cable from the drop-down menu.

Good luck!

Paul

Now WRGT has the audio burps like WHIO did. Maybe I need to "move" to the Cincinnati DMA for Dish purposes.

Now WRGT has the audio burps like WHIO did. Maybe I need to "move" to the Cincinnati DMA for Dish purposes.
Not here, I don't notice anything wrong OTA.

You can try here: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

I'm not sure how accurate they'll be since TWC keeps changing things around. Put in your zip, then select cable from the drop-down menu.

Good luck!

Paul

Thanks Paul - it's just what I was looking for. I'll use it for a start, update it from my QAM tuner after the 10th when TWC will be moving some channels around again and post my results here (and pass them on to silicondust).

Thanks again!!!
Jim

Is anyone noticing a very jerky picture on WHIO this evening? It looks like they are starting to have encoder problems again. ...After further review it looks like the problem has been corrected as of 9:55 EST. Never mind.

I noticed that but just thought it was the wind messing with their signal, multipath, etc. I rotated the antenna more their way and it got somewhat better.

Is anyone noticing a very jerky picture on WHIO this evening? It looks like they are starting to have encoder problems again. ...After further review it looks like the problem has been corrected as of 9:55 EST. Never mind.

During the game tonight I noticed some problems as well. Weird color problems and on at least one occasion a complete loss of signal (static). Flipped over to MASN which was carrying the WHIO broadcast nationally and the problem was the same. My guess is that this was related to the remote broadcast from fairfax, va and not an encoder issue.

Anyone know what channel the TVGOS is using as the host channel now? My DVR uses TVGuideon Screen, and channel 7 doesn't update it anymore. I did the update on the unit, but no luck. Rabbitears shows channel 7 still, but it doesn't work for me.

If you're using a DTVPal DVR, you'll have to do a reset to factory defaults to get it to go out and look for TVGoS again. Just be advised that you'll lose any of your scheduled recordings so you'll have to re-enter them.

i've done that. In order to flash the unit to a newer version I had to do a factory reset after updating it via usb.

Concerning TVGoS/WHIO + Springboro ....

#1.) I haven't seen TVGoS datastreams present in WHIO's Transport stream for a couple of weeks, but given over the past several months the TVGoS streams have been present in WHIO's TS only at certian times, it could be that they are still there at certian times during the day or overnight in wee hours/etc, but I haven't checked their TS with TSreader at the times they have been present ...

#2). Isn't Springboro Considered a Cincinnati DMA Zip Code?? If so, With DTVPal DVR, You'll need to input a Dayton DMA area Zip code instead for the TVGoS listings for The Dayton stations from WHIO to work with it -- Or Setup your antenna to receive WKRC Cincinnati and input a Cincy Area Zip (Again, I think Springboro/45066 is A Cincy DMA Zip, but I'm not 100% positive) -- However, With a Cincy DMA Zip entered(of course, only if you're receiving WKRC), you'll get TVGoS listings for (some) of The Cincinnati Stations, but Not Dayton stations ....

Last I set up DTV Pal DVR for Dayton TVGoS listings from WHIO (which was last spring), TVGoS listings were missing for WDTN+WRGT (Got info only from PSIP EITs for them) --- For cincy via WKRC, Currently, I don't get TVGoS listings for WOTH-LD, WXIX or WCET ... I did get them for the latter until CET added the "World" subchannel several months ago - At that point, for soe reason the WCET listings disappered, even after a reset to factory default was performed .... Hasn't been an issue for me, really, as I watch KET/WCVN for most PBS programming/etc. anyway ....
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Oh, Not TVGoS related, but as long as I'm posting ... Notice PSIP EITs have been missing (again) from WHIO the past several days ... They did have EITs back up beginning last week around the time HD and 7.2 Audio/video came back up after their issues a couple of weekends ago, but, the EITs (EPG info via PSIP) has been gone again the past several days ...

Has anyone noticed reception issues over the last two days with WKEF/22? I've suddenly lost them, I get a 100% lock on every Dayton station except for 45 (which is at 95%) and even get analog 22 and 40 clear.

I wanted to make sure it wasn't something with my system first before I start changing anything; I live about 40mi. SSW of the Dayton towers, just north of UC's campus in Clifton (near the Star 64 tower), and I'm line-of-sight from all of Dayton. Not sure if Qualcomm's kicked on their ch55 yet in Cincy, because that might affect it...

Has anyone noticed reception issues over the last two days with WKEF/22? I've suddenly lost them, I get a 100% lock on every Dayton station except for 45 (which is at 95%) and even get analog 22 and 40 clear.

I wanted to make sure it wasn't something with my system first before I start changing anything; I live about 40mi. SSW of the Dayton towers, just north of UC's campus in Clifton (near the Star 64 tower), and I'm line-of-sight from all of Dayton. Not sure if Qualcomm's kicked on their ch55 yet in Cincy, because that might affect it...

I live in Fairfield and rely on Dayton OTA because I can't get anything from Cincy except 64.1. All seems normal here, although I did see some glitches and cutouts (for lack of a better description) last night while watching "It's a Wonderful Life" on 2.1. Other than that I see nothing different. I'll report back here if I see differently.

I lost channel 22 (WKEF) in my Tv Guide. Everything else is listed properly with show information. I went into setup and turned 'on' WKEF (22.1) which now shows up in the guide but has NO show information.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Thanks,
John

I lost channel 22 (WKEF) in my Tv Guide. Everything else is listed properly with show information. I went into setup and turned 'on' WKEF (22.1) which now shows up in the guide but has NO show information.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Thanks,
John

It appears that most people across the country are missing ABC from their TVGoS listings. The problem is NOT in your set. :) All you will currently receive is PSIP info.

This was on Dayton Daily newspaper.

WHIO-TV, Cox radio stations moving to 'DDN' Media Center building
Move will bring 150 more staffers to former NCR building; plans for new studios are in the works.

Channel 7 seems to be burping. Rescanned the channel. Still having issues at 11:50AM Sunday.

Anyone else?

Channel 7 seems to be burping. Rescanned the channel. Still having issues at 11:50AM Sunday.

Anyone else?

It has been fine here during the 4th quarter of the Browns game. I wasn't watching before that though.

Is there a person from WKEF who views this thread?

The entire season they could not pass through the DD5.1 audio from ABC national football games (including the Rose Bowl on Friday). The back left audio is mixxed with the announcers, the right side has nothing. Center channel doesn't seem to have the announcers either, although I didn't check it specifically. I noticed this early in the season and figured they have it fixed, then forgot all about it until Friday afternoon.

Has anyone heard anything about Spike HD being added in time for tonight's live TNA Impact at 8 pm which features the return of Hulk Hogan to a major US company as well as the rumored debuts & returns of many others?

Anyone know why WRGT can't show their crawl in HD? It's extremely annoying during sporting events which pre-empt their news, and they have to run a crawl every 5 minutes to let the people know that it will be on after the game. When they do this, the programming gets switched to SD until the crawl is done.

I'd fully imagine it will happen tonight around 10 or 10:30 during the TCU/Boise St. game.

if I'm correct, I remember their severe weather crawler being in HD. (and also taking up 30% of the screen at the bottom)
Can't they use the same crawler for plugging their news?

Is there a person from WKEF who views this thread?

The entire season they could not pass through the DD5.1 audio from ABC national football games (including the Rose Bowl on Friday). The back left audio is mixxed with the announcers, the right side has nothing. Center channel doesn't seem to have the announcers either, although I didn't check it specifically. I noticed this early in the season and figured they have it fixed, then forgot all about it until Friday afternoon.

I noticed that. It's messed up again tonight. It seems like the audio is backwards with the announcers on the rear channels and surround on the front. Par for the course for that operation, I suppose.

Yes, pretty annoying that they can't get the sound right. WCPO had it right but they were running their weather closings at the bottom of the screen most of the night. So for me it was either put up with crappy sound or have WCPO's static image 'burning' my new plasma.

In Lima over OTA: 8.2 is Fox. No HD. I've noticed this for a while. It used to be. Are they having some issue with that station? NFL isn't in HD. TCU-Boise St. wasn't and so forth.

Does anyone know what is going on with the TVGOS data for PBS channel 16 (and channel 14, for that matter)?

For the past couple of weeks the information listed in the program guide of my DTVPal DVR is wrong, often showing listings more than a week out of date.

Thanks!

Ken

i've decided to cancel TWC and jus stick with road runner through them. anyone know if when they install the filters to block the basic channels though coaxial, QAM is blocked also?

I'd probably subscribe to fios or u-verse if it's ever available here, but i'm not happy with TWC for various reasons.

You'll still be able to receive the locals via QAM. 2.1, 7.1&2, 14.1, 16.1-5, 22.1, 45.1, and a few others not worth watching, such as C-Span2. That's all from memory...I'm currently at work. I can check for a more concise list when I get home if you want.

excellent -- thanks for the prompt reply.

i remember when you could get ESPN over QAM, those were the days.

and i tested QAM on my own and the only things worth watchin are ABC, NBC, CBS, basically the broadcast channels like you stated. i like how when i bought a new TV i made sure it had QAM but most cable companies won't even use it except for the broadcast channels which iirc they have to b/c of the FCC, heh. it's better than air, though :)

excellent -- thanks for the prompt reply.

i remember when you could get ESPN over QAM, those were the days.

and i tested QAM on my own and the only things worth watchin are ABC, NBC, CBS, basically the broadcast channels like you stated. i like how when i bought a new TV i made sure it had QAM but most cable companies won't even use it except for the broadcast channels which iirc they have to b/c of the FCC, heh. it's better than air, though :)The other channels are QAM as well, just encrypted - need one of their boxes to decode. They aren't allowed to encrypt broadcast nets, I believe.

it's better than air, though Not even. OTA you get a better, less processed picture and EPG which TW does not transmit.

While cable local HD is very good, OTA is, and will remain, the best method of local HD reception. Now if you don't have a choice then cable HD locals will easily suffice. But if you have a choice, you can't go wrong chosing OTA via an antenna.

Hey all - I'm having those audio cut-outs on Ch7 OTA again. Please don't tell me I'm the only one? Its been going on for a few days.

Happening here too. Also the EPG doesn't seem to be working either. You know, by this time you would thing CH7 would have their act together and have the bugs worked out.

I hope you all won't mind a momentary digression but I want to feel out fellow Lima folks on this at least:

Who has the absolute best broadband Internet around these parts? Is it TWC with Road Runner?

Well, the only other alternative is Cinti Bells Zoom Town, but RR is faster.

OTA channel 8.2 is Fox. I'm still having very inconsistent to no HD on it. Right now I'm watching 24 and it's not in HD like it should be.

Anyone else having this problem? Has that station been having any issues?

OTA channel 8.2 is Fox. I'm still having very inconsistent to no HD on it. Right now I'm watching 24 and it's not in HD like it should be.

Anyone else having this problem? Has that station been having any issues?

OTA Dayton FOX is 45.1 not 8.2. QAM Dayton FOX might be 8.2 on cable but not OTA.

OTA Dayton FOX is 45.1 not 8.2. QAM Dayton FOX might be 8.2 on cable but not OTA.

In Lima it's 8-2. This is the Dayton/Lima thread. :)

- Trip

In Lima it's 8-2. This is the Dayton/Lima thread. :)

- Trip

OK. I was thinking Lima was a helluvalot closer to Dayton than it is. ;)

OK. I was thinking Lima was a helluvalot closer to Dayton than it is. ;) There's very little reason for it to be lumped in this thread.... It's too small of a market to have it's own thread though. It could have been dumped in the Ft Wayne IN thread, Toledo OH, maybe Columbus OH, or this one.

Also, it's hard to tell where someone is located when they refuse to put location information in their user info.

Who has the absolute best broadband Internet around these parts? Is it TWC with Road Runner? Go to DSLReports and check. You're in Shawnee, as I recall, so you've got more options than many. I think you're the only person from Lima who posts here...

I'd NEVER call TWC/RR the "absolute best". What it does have going for it is a lot of coverage area.

Anyone else watching Fox via Dish tonight and noticing trouble? I switched to the OTA feed and it was great.

Every 3-5 seconds, get a little blip in the audio, can't tell if the video is stuttering as much, but it's off/behind/catching up quite a bit.

Don't know if it's affecting any other satellite providers or TWC (not likely), but thought I'd throw it out there to see if anyone's seeing the same problem.

I hope you all won't mind a momentary digression but I want to feel out fellow Lima folks on this at least:

Who has the absolute best broadband Internet around these parts? Is it TWC with Road Runner?

I switched from TWC (Earthlink) to U-Verse recently and so far I'm feeling that I get much more bang for your buck.

$55 for 18mbit/1.5mbit compared to $49 for 7mbit/768k... Although after my 6 months of promo (I'm only paying $35 right now), I'll switch to 12mbit/1.5mbit for $45.

He's in Lima ... no ATT U-Verse available there. That's Sprint/Embarq/Centurylink territory.

Has WHIO changed anything in the way they broadcast full screen 16:9 lately? I'm using a HTPC to view OTA content and out of the blue I get a 3/4" border down the right side and bottom of my screen anytime they broadcast anything in 16:9. When it switches to 4:3 obviously I can't tell if any thing has changed on the side of my screen, but the space on the bottom goes away and the image fits edge to egde top to bottom...

Not that I'm aware of. Same beautiful 16:9 picture as always.

It's definitely WHIO. They've changed something and I wish they'd change it back. I have no issue with any of the other local affiliates. The important thing to realize here is I'm on an HTPC that has no default overscan like every single TV on the market.

Question. I have a new (to me) HDTV and use OTA. Every channel works perfectly, both Cinti and Dayton stations, except WHIO CH7 has beautiful video but no audio. This is a bummer because I only get CBS in DD 2.0 now with WKRC CH12 instead of 5.1 from WHIO CH7.

So, is it me and my tuner or is it CH7 that is screwing up?

WHIO's news this morning was fine. Is the audio problem continuous or was it with network programming last night?

Actually it is continuous. 7-2 has perfect audio, 7-1 no audio. And it is still this way this evening. Every single other channel has sound and picture.

Is there an email addy for the chief engineer for WHIO that anyone could provide me with please?

Is there an email addy for the chief engineer for WHIO that anyone could provide me with please? chuck.eastman@whiotv.com

chuck..com

Thanks so much. :)

Probably should remove that email address now so he doesn't get hammered by the spam harvesters...

Yes, I already emailed and am waiting on a reply. I also deleted the email address.

Probably should remove that email address now so he doesn't get hammered by the spam harvesters... Nah, don't see the need. I got the e-mail address from WHIO's website (http://www.whiotv.com/station/1931451/detail.html) and it's there plain as day. I wouldn't have posted it here otherwise. If it had been given to me and it wasn't "public" otherwise, I might PM it someone in need...

535pm on WHIO news Sat night they cut away from a report and then you hear a women's voice say "oh sh*t". It wasnt softly or in the background either, loud and clear.

Comedy gold. I bet somebody got chewed out too! :D

ABC 22 has been running announcements that they have quadrupled their transmitter power.

The announcements & their web site indicate you have to rescan your converter/DTV to "receive the "New" "Stronger" ABC 22".

This seemed odd so I emailed the station. It turns out that they are still transmitting on the same frequency. You only have to rescan if you previously could not receive ABC 22.

Sorry, this isn't an HDTV question, but I haven't found another Dayton forum in which to post.

Is anyone else missing Music Choice channel 917, "Classic Alternative" on Time Warner?

Thanks.

Re: Lima OTA Fox 8.2 not in HD per my earlier posts.

I called the station and asked one of their techs and he said that because NBC is on 8.1 and Fox is on 8.2 that "Fox made the decision that we can't broadcast two HDs on the same channel."

So I guess anyone using an OTA in Lima will never have Fox in HD. No 24 in HD, No House in HD, etc. NBC, CBS, ABC No problem.

Of course I can get that on TWC just fine if I wanted to pay through the nose for it and get their crappy boxes back in my house which I refuse to do. :rolleyes:

Re: Lima OTA Fox 8.2 not in HD per my earlier posts.

I called the station and asked one of their techs and he said that because NBC is on 8.1 and Fox is on 8.2 that "Fox made the decision that we can't broadcast two HDs on the same channel."

So I guess anyone using an OTA in Lima will never have Fox in HD. No 24 in HD, No House in HD, etc. NBC, CBS, ABC No problem.

Of course I can get that on TWC just fine if I wanted to pay through the nose for it and get their crappy boxes back in my house which I refuse to do. :rolleyes:I doubt that your Lima FOX station sends an HD signal to the cable company if they are only SD OTA... it's possible but highly unlikely.

By the way you wouldn't want them to broadcast two HDs because both would look terrible. If you want FOX in HD they would need to acquire another broadcast channel and all the necessary equipment to start up a new HD channel. To me it seems like they are doing the best they can with what they have in a small market.

And I am still working on getting audio from my TV for WHIO-1. This is the most confuzzeling quandry I have encountered.

I doubt that your Lima FOX station sends an HD signal to the cable company if they are only SD OTA... it's possible but highly unlikely.

By the way you wouldn't want them to broadcast two HDs because both would look terrible. If you want FOX in HD they would need to acquire another broadcast channel and all the necessary equipment to start up a new HD channel. To me it seems like they are doing the best they can with what they have in a small market.

They're broadcasting four HD subs across two channels in Lima. WLIO and WOHL. http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=222

- Trip

They're broadcasting four HD subs across two channels in Lima. WLIO and WOHL. http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=222

- TripQ of BanditZ just stated that the FOX sub 8.2 on WLIO was SD. So, someone is wrong. I don't live there so I don't know who. The TSReader data on your web site does seem to show 720p for FOX 8.2 but if that's they case I'm not sure why he would be complaining unless they're upconverting FOX SD to 720p which would be silly. Your TSReader data says it's from March 20 so fairly recent too. So what's the deal here?

And I am still working on getting audio from my TV for WHIO-1. This is the most confuzzeling quandry I have encountered.

Just curious...what brand/model is the TV? I'm getting audio just fine on all my TVs/devices but no psip program information from WHIO for quite a while now.

Toshiba 56HM66 DLP set. 7-2 has no problem, 7-1 gorgeous picture but no audio on either of the 2 different tuners.

I doubt that your Lima FOX station sends an HD signal to the cable company if they are only SD OTA... it's possible but highly unlikely.

By the way you wouldn't want them to broadcast two HDs because both would look terrible. If you want FOX in HD they would need to acquire another broadcast channel and all the necessary equipment to start up a new HD channel. To me it seems like they are doing the best they can with what they have in a small market.

Very likely.



They're broadcasting four HD subs across two channels in Lima. WLIO and WOHL. http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=222

- Trip

Right. 8.1 is NBC in HD. 8.2 is Fox. It's not in HD.

35.1 and 35.2 are ABC and CBS and they're both in HD.



Q of BanditZ just stated that the FOX sub 8.2 on WLIO was SD. So, someone is wrong. I don't live there so I don't know who. The TSReader data on your web site does seem to show 720p for FOX 8.2 but if that's they case I'm not sure why he would be complaining unless they're upconverting FOX SD to 720p which would be silly. Your TSReader data says it's from March 20 so fairly recent too. So what's the deal here?

Not sure.

All I know is that Fox isn't in HD here over OTA on 8.2.

It never has been.

I remember back in late December and early January I wanted to watch a Bowl game and it wasn't in HD so I've been on this for a few months.


I was simply quoting what the station mechanic guy told me over the phone. He said it was Fox's decision in that area to not broadcast HD over OTA because it was on 8.2 and because 8.1 was already showing HD with NBC.

All 4 network affiliates out of Lima are owned by one parent company and for some reason apparently having an HD on 8.1 and another next to it on 8.2 didn't work out for Fox.

Maybe there's some strange law or something. I don't know.


What's funny is: 35.1 and 35.2 are ABC and CBS respectively and they're both in HD right next to each other. No problem there.

So the whole thing's screwy.

For whatever reason, Fox isn't in HD on OTA here in Lima on 8.2. That's all I know and what I see. Not making it up and I'm not sure why. Nothing's wrong with my antenna at least. :)

What's funny is: 35.1 and 35.2 are ABC and CBS respectively and they're both in HD right next to each other. No problem there.

So the whole thing's screwy.

For whatever reason, Fox isn't in HD on OTA here in Lima on 8.2. That's all I know and what I see. Not making it up and I'm not sure why. Nothing's wrong with my antenna at least. :)Not at all doubting you, just trying to figure out what's going on there. Trip has an actual transport stream analysis posted on his web site for WLIO (8-1 and 8-2):
http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/oh-lio/37503-0_0.htm
It's from March 20 of this year and notice that for 8-2 (WLIO-D2) it shows the following (I added the bold formatting):
Stream Type: 0x02 MPEG-2 Video PID 65 (0x0041)
MPEG Video: Bitrate 65.000 Mbps Resolution 1280 x 720p
MPEG Video: Framerate 59.94 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0So I guess my question to you is, are they broadcasting in 720p HD but sending upconverted SD, or are they actually only broadcasting in SD?

In starting to think about this I'm wondering if it really was FOX's decision in a way... FOX uses a completely different method for delivering HD to its affiliates. Forgive me for going into unnecessary detail here, but they use the FOX "splicer" system, which allows them to encode their network HD "broadcast-ready," meaning the local station does not have to re-encode the video stream. So, FOX will send HD to its affiliates at somewhere around 8-15Mbps which is already just fine for broadcast.

NBC, CBS, and ABC all send their HD at a much higher bitrate to the local affiliates, because their affiliates re-encode the video before it's broadcast to viewers. I believe NBC and ABC use mpeg-4 now to send to affiliates, which is then re-encoded to broadcast friendly mpeg-2. If nothing has changed since last I heard, CBS uses mpeg-2 to send to affiliates, just at an even higher bitrate (mpeg-4 is much more efficient so NBC and ABC can get away with less bits).

One of the side effects of these two different processes is that with the NBC/ABC/CBS re-encode method, the local station has a fair amount of freedom and capability as they control what is being sent out from their station. However this also results in a wide variance in product quality. For example, WLWT 5-1 (NBC HD) in Cincinnati broadcasts beautiful HD at around 17Mbps. But, WKRC (CBS HD) in Cincinnati broadcasts not as beautiful HD (macroblocking and artifacts present especially during motion) at a variable rate that I've generally seen between 8-16Mbps. Since there are a finite number of bits that can be used on a single channel, the station has to allocate them appropriately. In the case of the Lima stations, my guess is that each 720p video stream is getting about 8-9Mbps which just leaves enough room in the 19Mbps cap to fit the audio and additional overhead required.

OK, so the reason I say all this is because, one of the benefits of FOX's splicer system is that they (the network, not the local affiliates) control exactly what their end product looks like on viewer's TVs. So, FOX HD in Cincinnati looks exactly the same as FOX in Dayton, Cleveland, Columbus, San Francisco, etc.

So... perhaps what has happened is, WLIO would like to broadcast FOX in HD, but can't do so because the FOX splicer is not compatible with the equipment they are using, and/or FOX will not let them broadcast FOX HD unless it meets their standard of broadcast.

Not at all doubting you, just trying to figure out what's going on there.

I understand. :) I'm trying to figure it all out myself. ;)



Trip has an actual transport stream analysis posted on his web site for WLIO (8-1 and 8-2):
http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/oh-lio/37503-0_0.htm
It's from March 20 of this year and notice that for 8-2 (WLIO-D2) it shows the following (I added the bold formatting):
So I guess my question to you is, are they broadcasting in 720p HD but sending upconverted SD, or are they actually only broadcasting in SD?

Upconverted SD. If I hit display on my 111FD it says "HD" even though it's clearly not. I'll doublecheck again tonight during prime time networks show.

Side oddity: 35.2 is CBS. Face the Nation is on right now and it's not in HD, either. It's upconverted SD and my TV says "HD" although again, it's clearly not.

I'm pretty sure by now major network shows like that are all in HD so at the very least we have an inconsistency around my neck of the woods.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised in such a small market. It's amazing we have HD at all here if I really am honest about it.

During prime time, I always see HD where it's supposed to be on major network fare with the exception of Fox.

I'm a little surprised to see Face The Nation in upconverted SD instead of HD on CBS right now.



In starting to think about this I'm wondering if it really was FOX's decision in a way... FOX uses a completely different method for delivering HD to its affiliates. Forgive me for going into unnecessary detail here, but they use the FOX "splicer" system, which allows them to encode their network HD "broadcast-ready," meaning the local station does not have to re-encode the video stream. So, FOX will send HD to its affiliates at somewhere around 8-15Mbps which is already just fine for broadcast.

NBC, CBS, and ABC all send their HD at a much higher bitrate to the local affiliates, because their affiliates re-encode the video before it's broadcast to viewers. I believe NBC and ABC use mpeg-4 now to send to affiliates, which is then re-encoded to broadcast friendly mpeg-2. If nothing has changed since last I heard, CBS uses mpeg-2 to send to affiliates, just at an even higher bitrate (mpeg-4 is much more efficient so NBC and ABC can get away with less bits).

One of the side effects of these two different processes is that with the NBC/ABC/CBS re-encode method, the local station has a fair amount of freedom and capability as they control what is being sent out from their station. However this also results in a wide variance in product quality. For example, WLWT 5-1 (NBC HD) in Cincinnati broadcasts beautiful HD at around 17Mbps. But, WKRC (CBS HD) in Cincinnati broadcasts not as beautiful HD (macroblocking and artifacts present especially during motion) at a variable rate that I've generally seen between 8-16Mbps. Since there are a finite number of bits that can be used on a single channel, the station has to allocate them appropriately. In the case of the Lima stations, my guess is that each 720p video stream is getting about 8-9Mbps which just leaves enough room in the 19Mbps cap to fit the audio and additional overhead required.

OK, so the reason I say all this is because, one of the benefits of FOX's splicer system is that they (the network, not the local affiliates) control exactly what their end product looks like on viewer's TVs. So, FOX HD in Cincinnati looks exactly the same as FOX in Dayton, Cleveland, Columbus, San Francisco, etc.

So... perhaps what has happened is, WLIO would like to broadcast FOX in HD, but can't do so because the FOX splicer is not compatible with the equipment they are using, and/or FOX will not let them broadcast FOX HD unless it meets their standard of broadcast.


^^ I think you're on to it, exactly. :)

Face the Nation is not yet in HD. Nor is the Early Show.

- Trip

I might be moving to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in October and living in housing. I looked at TV Fool and saw that the Cincinnati stations barely come in this far but the FCC reception maps put a couple of the Cincy stations well into Dayton. Does anyone know if what TV Fool says is true and how is the reception of these stations near WPAFB?

I can't speak for specifically where you'll be living, but I'll venture to say unless you've got a tall antenna/tower or live on a high spot, you won't be able to get Cincy stations that well, if at all.

Will you be off of South Broad St, in Fairborn ? There's lots of areas considered "base housing", but this area is actually inside the fence, as I recall. If that's where you'll be, it seems to me that that's in a low spot...

I can't speak for specifically where you'll be living, but I'll venture to say unless you've got a tall antenna/tower or live on a high spot, you won't be able to get Cincy stations that well, if at all.

Will you be off of South Broad St, in Fairborn ? There's lots of areas considered "base housing", but this area is actually inside the fence, as I recall. If that's where you'll be, it seems to me that that's in a low spot...

Looking at a map, I see Hickam Street which is considered base housing, It looks like it's south of the base and west of 675 and north of Highway 35.

Looking at a map, I see Hickam Street which is considered base housing, It looks like it's south of the base and west of 675 and north of Highway 35.

I'm pretty sure that's right off Col. Glenn/Airway (I drive right by it every day). Like Hall said you'll need a tall antenna/tower.

Yeah, he'll be in the housing off of Airway/Colonel Glenn, between Spinning and 675. I didn't think that was military housing anymore...

I think that's called "The Prairies"? Government-contracted military housing, seems pretty nice really (relatively). Just don't go rolling stop signs over there... the skycops will get ya!

More to the topic, I don't think you have a prayer with Cincinnati from there. Plus, I'm not sure how the housing n*zis are in contracted housing, but in "real" gov't housing they would have lost their minds if they saw an antenna tower in your (their) backyard.

Looking at a map, I see Hickam Street which is considered base housing, It looks like it's south of the base and west of 675 and north of Highway 35.

Hickham is at the north eastern edge of Page Manor. There is other housing off Kaufman and National Road, sort of between Wright State and Area B (McCllellan Drive).

Page Manor is low with many old, tall Maple trees. Reception may be difficult.

Also doubt the base will allow a significant outdoor antenna. The base housing is serviced by KAS cable (www.kascable.com).

I am north of Area A/C and at 1010 foot above sea level and have a 40' tower with unobstructed view with UHF and VHF antennas and amplifiers. I get all Cincy channels except the N Kentucky educational channels and CH 25 (low power - but get at night sometimes).

My guess is that WLWT and WSTR (Channels 5 and 64) will be able to be picked up with a good indoor antenna if pointed SW through a window. I recieve them very strongly.

WCPO and WKRC (Channels 9 and 12) are currently VHf and are hard to get at my 58 mile range. I have to have the VHF antenna pointed in a very narrow range to get a stable signal. WKRC is supposed to go to UHF, IIRC; so in the future, it may be obtainable.

Channel 19 (WXIX) is on UHF, but is weak at my location. WPTO and WCET are possible, but weaker than WLWT and WSTR.

Hope this helps.

I think that's called "The Prairies"? Government-contracted military housing, seems pretty nice really (relatively). Just don't go rolling stop signs over there... the skycops will get ya!

A few years ago, I got a ticket from base police on Spinning Road that I didn't deserve. I would have fought it if it didn't have to go before a federal magistrate.

Long story but he wrote me up for passing a pickup truck on the right that was turning left in front of me. The truck's driver's side front headlight and turn signal assembly was wrecked and he couldn't see that he was turning in front of me and Spinning was four lanes (unmarked) wide due to banning of public parking after 9/11. I probably passed him at 10 mph in a 25 mph zone. $75 at the time.

It's WCPO, not WKRC, that's moving to UHF.

- Trip

You might want to at least check out Columbus stations as well. I can't get those reliably from here, either (CM 4228 in attic w/7777), but the signal strengths are higher. Too many trees, and we're in a low spot.

Whats up with the forum allasudden showing word-wrapped posts as narrower than other posts that are wrapped automatically by the browser? I see it in Chrome and Firefox so I doubt its a browser issue.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2154/wrapj.jpg

Whats up with the forum allasudden showing word-wrapped posts as narrower than other posts that are wrapped automatically by the browser? I see it in Chrome and Firefox so I doubt its a browser issue.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2154/wrapj.jpg

They've added or changed the way ads are displayed. I agree that it's extremely annoying.

Face the Nation is not yet in HD. Nor is the Early Show.

- Trip

Good.

In any event, 8.2 Fox does upconverted SD even for major prime time network shows like House and 24 and I've confirmed that absolutely. So that station isn't real in HD here in Lima over OTA.

Why that is? I think someone put up as good of a reason earlier as can be. Thanks for the help, guys. Nothing we can do about it. :)

It's WCPO, not WKRC, that's moving to UHF.

- Trip

Thanks for the correction. I couldn't remember which.

I might be moving to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in October and living in housing. I looked at TV Fool and saw that the Cincinnati stations barely come in this far but the FCC reception maps put a couple of the Cincy stations well into Dayton. Does anyone know if what TV Fool says is true and how is the reception of these stations near WPAFB?

I live in Beavercreek about 2 minutes away from the Page Manor military housing. It is privatized housing and very nice, but the bedrooms are a little on the small size. My house sits higher than Page Manor and I cannot get the Cincy stations at all. I doubt that even a tower would be able to pull them in, but I could be wrong.

If you are in base housing, your option for cable will be KAS cable, as was stated earlier. I'm pretty sure you can go for Dish or Direct, but Page Manor is a very old neighborhood with mature, large trees.

I keep seeing ads about increased power on 22 - is that a reality yet? Sheesh is DirecTV feed choppy . . . is there a work-around? Only way for me to DVR.

Been a reality for a couple of months now. Try a rescan. That may help.

Anyone else getting major breakups of audio and video on WHIO-TV Channel 7.1?

Yes, it's been terrible for about the past three weeks. One of my tuners seems to tolerate it better than the others, but it is definitely there and makes 7.1 unwatchable. I'm glad you said something here--I had changed an antenna amplifier and was hoping that wasn't the problem. The 7.x are the only channels I'm having issues with right now.

To date, I still have no audio on 7.1, but DO have audio on 7.2? I want this resolved by football season (the one and only main reason I even try for Dayton channels to begin with).

To date, I still have no audio on 7.1, but DO have audio on 7.2? I want this resolved by football season (the one and only main reason I even try for Dayton channels to begin with).

Is no audio on 7.1 a universal problem, or limited to a certain cable company or satellite provided, or certain brand(s) of receivers, or just affecting you? Stations transmitting no audio generally get flooded with calls about the technical difficulty. Does a different receiver at your location confirm no audio on 7.1?? Maybe your set or cable/satellite provider is the culprit.

but I am sooooooooo pleases! I turn the TV on today and just happen to switch channels to 7-1. And there is AUDIO!!!:D I don't know what WHIO did, but there is now AUDIO!!!:cool: I have done NOTHING to ANYTHING. I would LOVE to know what WHIO engineers did over night, because it wasn't there yesterday (OTA) but it is there now!!!:D I am certain that it has something to do with post #6211 in this thread though.

Spoke too soon. :( WHIO, perfect signal level, had a perfect picture and audio untill 1PM. Now perfect signal, but major picture and audio breakup to the point the movie 'BASIC' is unwatchable. WHIO 7-2 is also the same way.

This is different now, because before, when I had no 7-1 audio, but perfect picture and signal level, 7-2 was flawless. So now, I have the proof I needed to put the blame on WHIO. ;) But really, I'm happy because I was getting ready to buy a new tuner for my TV and it wouldn't have been returnable. So no wasted money and WHIO I certainly hope you guys can get your act together before football season starts. It seems WHIO is the only station that has multiple, repeating issues these days.

Saw a very similar thing here (about 10 miles away from the towers). Looked great for "Sunday Morning", choppy for the 12pm news, and downhill to unwatchable afterward. It was FLAWLESS this morning so there seems to be a problem at the transmitting end.

2PM, audio/picture flawless 7-1. On 7-2 flawless picture, but no audio. But that may be because it is only a pic of the radar.

Flawless today. Soooooo friggen glad to have 7-1 back in full service! My wife & daughter get to see 'Ellen' again, and football season is going to be great on my new (to me) DLP this year!

Just posting my annual rant on WHIO's handling of the final round of the Memorial tournament. Every year they have the Children's Miracle Network Telethon pre-empting the final round of the biggest golf tournament in the state of Ohio. While they do show it on 7.2 in SD (more on that below), it makes me wonder why they can't show the telethon on the sub-channel in SD and the tourney in HD.

I understand it's for a good cause, but what kind of ratings do these telethons actually get? I find it hard to believe that it would be better then this tournament. Also I believe TWC carries the subchannel, so all OTA and Cable subscribers would be able to watch it.

And eventhough it was shown on the subchannel, the video was horrible, as it was stuttering like crazy (not lack of signal). Basically the video would stop for a few seconds while the audio continues, before the video synced up.

And no I can't pull in the Cbus or Cincy CBS affiliates :)

I understand it's for a good cause, but what kind of ratings do these telethons actually get? I find it hard to believe that it would be better then this tournament. Also I believe TWC carries the subchannel, so all OTA and Cable subscribers would be able to watch it.


DirecTV doesn't carry Dayton subchannels.

DirecTV doesn't carry Dayton subchannels.

Which is why I said OTA and cable subscribers :), and I'd think that these two groups comprise the vast majority of viewers.

Sorry to ask about this again, but I don't know any other place to get the answer...

Has Channel 7 WHIO (Dayton) been transmitting TVGOS information over the past few days, or is it down/offline again?

I have not been receiving the TVGOS guide info for about one week on my DTVPal DVR, in spite of doing several factory-default resets (usually successful in restoring the guide, if it is being broadcast).

Thanks!

Ken

Same problem here. Neither of my two DVRs is getting any TVGoS data.

Update: Just emailed their chief engineer, Chuck Eastman, to see if he can provide any info.

Same problem here. Neither of my two DVRs is getting any TVGoS data.

Update: Just emailed their chief engineer, Chuck Eastman, to see if he can provide any info.

Please keep all of us posted to what or better yet when the problem may be resolved.

I also have lost the TVGOS information.......... :confused:

Thanks,
John

Please keep all of us posted to what or better yet when the problem may be resolved.

I also have lost the TVGOS information.......... :confused:

Thanks,
John

No response from WHIO yet to my email regarding missing TVGoS.

No response from WHIO yet to my email regarding missing TVGoS.

I also emailed WHIO and did not get a response either... :(

Let's hope their busy fixing the issue!

A few years ago, Chuck Eastman would always respond... Seems that he may longer do that (or he picks and chooses ... his right, of course).

TVGoS from WHIO appears to be working again.

anyone use QAM with TWC? 7-1 gone? already re'd.

anyone use QAM with TWC? 7-1 gone? already re'd.

Try 79-2.

Try 79-2.


Here in North Cincy TWC seems to have garbled all of the channel mapping info to make using QAM on Win7 Media Center an exercise in frustration. My television's tuners seemed to have remapped the channels normally but i had to do it manually in Media Center. Not fun!

WHIO 7-1 & 7-2 no audio for 2 days now. OTA. Picture/signal great. Nothing was or has changed in any setting.

WHIO, football is around the corner. What happened 2-3 days ago that I don't get any sound now?

I have audio on 7-2. I guess I checked when there was picture but no audio. Regardless, I just emailed Chuck @ WHIO about the problem and that as before it is a problem on his end.

Craig Ferguson was clear audio and picture last night, but they are typically the worst reception by far for me here (one of my receivers can hardly even lock onto it).

My whole reason for WHIO is for Ellen in the afternoon for my wife and daughter, and the football for the family. WHIO plays different games from WKRC. One of the joys of OTA.

My whole reason for WHIO is for Ellen in the afternoon for my wife and daughter, and the football for the family. WHIO plays different games from WKRC. One of the joys of OTA.

Yes, waiting for the leaves to fall here so I can get Dayton channels OTA again...

That sucks. But I don't have that to look forward to tho. I'd really like a reply from WHIO as to what they did 3 days ago. It must be on their log that something was changed/done to some piece of equipment.

Unless this is all a conspiracy and someone at WHIO is toying with my mind, affecting my TV and my TV alone. Yes, that must be it after all. This explains why I haven't heard from WHIO to my email I sent. Yes, they're out to get me. To drive me...INSANE!

No issues OTA or on my satellite feed for WHIO...

No issues OTA or on my satellite feed for WHIO... Same here... All is well with WHIO. Dish gives me 7-1 and I also get 7-1 and 7-2 via antenna. All have audio.

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but I have been pleasantly surprised by WKEF-22 and WRGT-45 with the amount of local HD commercials and HD syndicated shows they carry. Putting their HD recording gear to good use. I have noticed several commercials in the Cincinnati market that were filmed 16x9, but are displayed 4x3, because all the faces are tall and thin! Good reception here from all Dayton stations, no problems to report.

WSTR not showing The Office in HD is one. WKRC not running Entertainment Tonight is another show that should be shown in HD but isn't.

Does anyone know what HD-DVRs that Time Warner offers locally nowadays ? Dish Network appears to be canceling their "Absolute HD" package that I have and I'm exploring my options. Based on what I've seen from TW-Dayton's website though, they're not high on my list to switch to.

Speaking of options, how's ATT's U-Verse rollout going ? I'm inside the city limits, so I expect it will be a while before ATT builds service here (they can deny it, but they're focusing on areas that one could speculate are based on household income).

Switch to OTA and be done with it. C'mon! Join our exclusive club!

Speaking of options, how's ATT's U-Verse rollout going ? I'm inside the city limits, so I expect it will be a while before ATT builds service here (they can deny it, but they're focusing on areas that one could speculate are based on household income).

Not here yet in the Creek. Do you know where they have rolled out so far? I could use some internet competition (I'm looking at you, TWC).

Not here yet in the Creek. Do you know where they have rolled out so far? They're in parts of Beavercreek. They're available in (parts of) Miami Twp, Kettering, Washington Twp, Centerville, that I know of.

You can go to uverseusers.com and look at maps of where people have service. You have to be registered though. This map doesn't list all locations as they're user-submitted. My wife's cousin lives in Miami Twp in neighborhood that butts up to the north end of Cox Arboretum and he has U-Verse.

I know this sounds stupid, but does green mean yes uverse, and red mean no uverse? If so, why so many red/green close to each other? Just the nature of the rollout, or some underlying technical issue?

Thanks for posting! Are/were you the same hall on broadbandreports? If so, I remember some discussion with you when TWC was first rolling into my neighborhood and Whatever Bell (how soon we forget) was the only option for "H"SI @ 1.5 Mbps ADSL.

Still no friggen audio WHIO! C'mon and get with the program! I've gotten NO RESPONSE from my emails to the chief engineer either!:mad:

I paid no attention to the color of the markers. I certainly hope people aren't placing markers where there's NO service !

And yes, same "Hall".