I haven't watched my 24 yet... did they ever turn on HD?! How could they screw up during a 2-hour sweeps event!!!

PS Is anyone from WKBW here? I would appreciate it if they stopped switching to SD around 10:50pm during Grey's Anatomy and Boston Legal which they've been doing lately.

24 is in sdI haven't watched my 24 yet Huh??

I recorded 24 last night and didn't watch it yet so I'm asking someone who did watch it whether WUTV ever switched to HD later on in the hour?

They turned on the HD feed about at about 8:06. HD stayed on the rest of the show (or at least until 9:45 - I haven't watched the last 15 minutes yet).

fwew!

Good thing! I'm just now starting to watch Monday's 2 hour 24 and was pretty upset that it's in HD... good thing I only have to deal with a few minutes of SD. On a slightly related note, my TiVo just this morning got a lineup change saying 606 Fox HD is now available through TW. About time! Will this prevent any HD to SD dropouts in the future or does TW get the same feed that's going out the antenna?

Did anyone else notice a lot of breakups and hangs in the HD feed of the Daytona 500 on ch29? It was almost unwatchable for the first few hours.

FYI, I was watching on TW via QAM.

The race was fine OTA. I had it on all day and didn't have any breakups.

That was OTA??

That was OTA??
Huh?

Over The Air or cable?

The cable signal from TW on channel 706 for me had serious signal dropouts also. My TiVo Series 3 kept saying insufficient signal. All the other HD channels were fine... 706 was the only problem. I switched back to 29-1 for the race and the OTA signal was rock solid the entire time. Disappointing beginning to Fox on Time Warner (likely TW's fault since the OTA was fine).

I watched it over the air (OTA) via antenna. I don't have TW. I have D*.

Just my $.02 here, i watched it by way roof top antenna which is a CM 4228 here in N.T and the picture pixelated twice during the whole race. Not bad in my opinion.

I've been having trouble with WGRZ recently - OTA. Anyone else?

I'm just the opposite with WGRZ OTA. It's been near 90 in signal strength for me lateley. It used to hover in the 60-70s.

I'm just the opposite with WGRZ OTA. It's been near 90 in signal strength for me lateley. It used to hover in the 60-70s.


Guy's, I can say this about WGRZ OTA at my house here in NT, it's been 95 to 98 signal stregnth day and night. Haven't really had any problems with the locals at all latley. I hope this helps.........

Wow, well guess I'm alone then.

Last Monday it was so bad for the entire Heroes/Studio 60 block. I couldn't watch it at all. The signal was even so bad it forced my TiVo to reboot! (TiVo gets confused sometimes with bad data streams)

I've noticed a few other minor glitches here and there while watching the news at 5pm over the past week.

But all my shows on WGRZ last night and last Thursday were fine so maybe it was a weird one-time thing.

I'll check my strength tonight.

Actually the only other time since October that I had signal issues during a TiVo recording was the Hugh Laurie episode of SNL awhile ago. Guess my TiVo is picky about WGRZ ;)

Since I record a LOT of prime-time stuff in HD, I guess 3 1/2 hours of bad signal ain't that bad (for free OTA and a $30 antenna on my mantle :) )

I think I am getting co-channel interference from 34-1 and 32-1 on GI which has made 33-1 WGRZ unwatchable. My older Samsung 151 can not lock 33-1 since 34-1 went live. But my newer tuner does lock WGRZ but it breaks up sometimes. Right now I get WNLO @ 95%, WNYO @ 88% and WGRZ @ 68%. The other south stations are strong WKBW @ 90% and WIVB @ 85%.

I had a Hughesnet dish installed on my garage roof. It stunk! SO I cancelled within the 30 days. They only wanted the modem and the radio transmitter part off the dish back so I have the dish installed with dual coax running into the house. Can I install something like a DB2 antenna in front of the dish? Or should I keep the bracket, remove the dish and install an antenna on the tripod? It's already grounded.

Is the DB2 a multi directional antenna? I already have D* with the HR10 and can get abc, nbs,cbs HD with a 9 dollar antenna from AJWright. What I'd like is to grab fox HD but it's a bit further away. Withe the indoor cheapy I can only get about 18 %.

I'm in zipcode 14113 and sit high on a hill.

Sony 42 inch wega hd tuner
D* hr10-250

keep the bracket, remove the dish and install an antenna on the tripod? It's already grounded.

That is perfect. A DB2 or 4221 with the screen off will work for you.

On that "hill", I wonder if you could get the Rochester stations;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E67763&longitude=%2D78%2E33796&magnetic_north=%2D9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=False&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

At 85 miles, I guess Toronto is probably out of the question. BTW, that first listing in the link is incorrect.

I was watching on 1-1 on my QAM tuner and it kept freezing and pixelating making it completely unwatchable. Did anyone else experience this. I was wondering if the set top box would make it any better.

Later on in the evening I put on the Simpsons, which wasn't in HD, and no freezes or pixels.

Is this all TW or is there anything I can do on my end to get a stronger signal.

The set top box won't help. All the set top box will do is decrypt scrambled channels (which this one is not anyway) and map it to channel #706.

It was probably a temporary problem TW and/or WUTV or FOX had. Unless it continues to happen, I wouldn't worry.

Nascar in HD was fine OTA yesterday (for what little of the race I watched). Most likely a TW issue and not WUTV's fault.

I was watching on 1-1 on my QAM tuner and it kept freezing and pixelating making it completely unwatchable. Did anyone else experience this. I was wondering if the set top box would make it any better.

Later on in the evening I put on the Simpsons, which wasn't in HD, and no freezes or pixels.

Is this all TW or is there anything I can do on my end to get a stronger signal.
So 1-1 is Fox? I had been previously unable to find Fox through TW. I have found ABC, NBC, CBS and WNED (channels 88-1, 88-2, 89-3, 89-4 or so, working from memory here at work). Are there others I missed?

Picked up WUTV HD on 106-1.

I'm doing a new channel scan now 1-1 is showing now signal. When I manual went to 106-1 I didn't get anything. Did TW move FOX. I thought the stations with dashes were FCC channel numbers.

My Fox shows on 1-1. At least it did as of the weekend.

These aren't channel numbers, they're frequencies. TW can put Fox wherever they want and can move it every hour if they want. All they can't do is scramble it.

Some tuners will show some stations on different numbers... I'm not sure why.

106.1 is the actual channel number,
1.1 is a fictious BS number that gets assigned to lame tuners.

Re-mapped channels suck. Period.

I've been having trouble with WGRZ recently - OTA. Anyone else?
yesterday and today i've been getting 60-65 signal with no sound on WGRZ-DT anyone else still having problems??? the other locals are 88-90 signal strength and perfect sound match...

WGRZ was fine for me here on Monday for Heroes and Black Donnelleys.

WGRZ was fine for me here on Monday for Heroes and Black Donnelleys.

All the other stations were fine except 2-1....for some reason i keep getting no sound via silver surfer OTA only on 2-1. picture is awesome otherwise.

silver surfer OTA

You mean Silver Sensor? :)

But speaking of... it was too bad that both during Heroes and 24 the FF2: Rise of the Silver Surfer commercial wasn't in HD :(

You mean Silver Sensor? :)

But speaking of... it was too bad that both during Heroes and 24 the FF2: Rise of the Silver Surfer commercial wasn't in HD :(

LOL too funny!! Yeah anyways I talked with John at WGRZ and there is a problem with Panasonic LCD's QAM tuners and the fact WGRZ-DT is not broadcasting in 5.1.Apprarently Pannies are fussy when they don't receive a 5.1 signal. He advised to press the SAP button to Dolby 2.0 and this corrected the problem. He said they have requested $$$ in their budget to start broadcasting in 5.1 in summer or early fall but it has not yet been approved.

Glad to hear they're at least aware and on top of the problem to offer a solution! :)

sabres game looks good on CBC-HD tonite

Hi everyone, i've been a big fan of this forum for awhile and this is my first post. I'm using a db8 bow tie on my roof which is at least 35 ft from the ground. I thought i would be able to pull in cbc or at least something from Canada but got nothing. Iget most of the locals from Buffalo really well except wkbw. Should i go with a directional antenna with a rotor? I live near harlem/clinton near west seneca. Are the Canadian channels out of my range? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks

Hi everyone, i've been a big fan of this forum for awhile and this is my first post. I'm using a db8 bow tie on my roof which is at least 35 ft from the ground. I thought i would be able to pull in cbc or at least something from Canada but got nothing. Iget most of the locals from Buffalo really well except wkbw. Should i go with a directional antenna with a rotor? I live near harlem/clinton near west seneca. Are the Canadian channels out of my range? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks

CBC you can get -however you may need a better set-up/ or rotor. I use a CM 4228- I got from Rich in Lockport! If your not getting cbc w/ your current set up you probably do need to upgrade or atleast try a pre-amp w/ your db-8. You cannot get ch 7? I get this w/ an indoor antenna in NT. Where are you located?

Jimdoo:
I live near Cleveland & Union in Cheektowaga. Have an Antennacraft HD-1800 mounted about 20 feet up. Only once was I able to get CBC HD on a Saturday nite for a short time. Had a Wineguard before that but it got crunched in the October storm. If anyone in this area is able to get the Canadian digitals well please let me know what you're using!!

a CM4288, that should do it, especially if it's 35 feet up. Get it aimed right at the CN Tower and you'll be enjoying CBC-HD, and maybe even CTV-HD, might need a preamp for that one, how long is your cable run going to be, and what's the line of sight towards Toronto?

My cable run is 100 feet and i do have a preamp. My line of sight to Toronto is pretty good(no big trees or major obstructions near me). It seems like that CM4228 is the popular choice on these forums but is it that much better than the db8? I think i will need a rotor for this one regardless. Thanks for all the feedback guys. Feel free to post any more advice.

well you'll need a rotor if you want to aim at Toronto or Buffalo depending on what your watching. Depending on your tuner however, you may be able to aim your CM4228 at Toronto and and pick up all the Bufallo stations off the back.

I have a preamped CM4228 aimed at Toronto, and the Buffalo channels (east and northeast) all come in of the sides and rear of my CM4228, except FOX, because it is directional. I would think that you would for the most part get all the Buffalo stations even with your CM4228 aimed rite at Toronto.

jyankee; You can fine tune your location here;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?act=in&infact=2&map.x=211&map.y=180&lat=42.8713417&lon=-78.7875900&wid=0.024&ht=0.024&iht=359&iwd=422&&on=streets&on=street_names&on=ushwy&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.836162&mlon=-78.75109&msym=redpin&mlabel=14224__West_Seneca_&murl=&conf=mapnew.con

then C&P the lat. & long. here (that list is based on the above location);
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E8712730&longitude=%2D78%2E7878418&magnetic_north=%2D9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

The problem is that isn't apparent to many other posters here is what I call Gilligans Island.
You are right in line with 9,700KW of RF that is only 13 miles away (in you case, 7 3/4 miles for myself) that is bombarding you with signal. Add a preamp or amp and your toast. At least you can "toast' bread with all that signal.

I'm working on a setup in South Buffalo and I appears that even channel 20.1 is a lost cause. He erected a Winegard 8800, but it was damaged in the process. Four bent and one missing element. Signal levels are much worse than I originally thought. The GI stations were between 30 and 35db, the Toronto stations are almost not measurable (around -35db). With signals that strong, you can't amp them since it will overload the amp, especially a preamp. You will need traps (filters) for the stronger channels to drop their level down to something an amp will handle.

The first attachment shows the amp, the sleave filters (for 14, 17, 23, 32, 34 & 29) and the two stage cavity filter for ch 43. The 2nd is a closeup of the 3 notch filter. The large trap was necessary because of the narrower bandwisth over the cheaper sleave type so as to reduce the skirt loss on channel 40.
As it stands channel 40 has been 100% for me.

The question is; how bad do you want 20 & 40?? ;)

Whitestar2; You might have a better chance since you are further east;

http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?infact=2&outfact=2&act=move&on=streets&on=street_names&on=ushwy&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.836162&mlon=-78.75109&msym=redpin&mlabel=14224__West_Seneca_&murl=&lat=42.9447021&lon=-78.7546082&wid=0.012&ht=0.012&conf=mapnew.con

http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E9447021&longitude=%2D78%2E7546082&magnetic_north=%2D9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

You have a 25 degree separation between GI and Toronto whereas jyankee only has 4 degrees of separation. You are also closer. Both of you are in a more open area than the S Buffalo location.

As far as antennas, I haven't seen the Winegard antenna close up, but from what I can see of it I like the CM 4228 even more. The construction of the 8800 isn't as well thought out. It isn't a CM vs Winegard thing, but just the design of each antenna.

Thanks videobruce for all the info ..this is scarier than i thought. Do you or anyone you know do these kind of installs? I would appreciate the info.

"Scary"??
Nah, just time comsuming and slightly expensive depending on how much you want those stations. There is someone that reads these forums from Lockport that many here have used. He checks in once in a while.
Depending on your house, all you need is a extension ladder (which you should already have if you own a house) and a roof ladder if it is a steep roof.

"Scary"??
Nah, just time comsuming and slightly expensive depending on how much you want those stations. There is someone that reads these forums from Lockport that many here have used. He checks in once in a while.
Depending on your house, all you need is a extension ladder (which you should already have if you own a house) and a roof ladder if it is a steep roof.

Yes - It is scary climbing on your roof (atleast for me it was)- that's why I bowed out and hired Rich in Lockport. jyankee do a search on this forum - he has listed his contact info before - he's fair priced and does quick work!

Nice job, WGRZ, for screwing up the 2nd half of Black Donnelys on Monday *sigh*

Nice job, WGRZ, for screwing up the 2nd half of Black Donnelys on Monday *sigh*


Yo cwoody, What happened with the Black Donnellys on Mon. night? I watched it after I recorded to my recorder and didn't notice anything special in the playback on my end. It plays back in 480 DVD quality....

Around 10:30 until about 10:55 they reverted to SD on their HD channel.

(OTA recorded on my TiVo Series3)

cwoody, I have to ask you this, when you get SD signal coming in is it with the black bars or does it stay in the 16/9 format? The reason I am asking is my programing stayed 16/9 through out and that comes in the house OTA and i recorded it to my Sony RDR-HX900 DVD Recorder which has a hard drive.

Hey VideoBruce, the scary part isn't going up on my roof but its more like those pictures you posted. Where did you buy these traps and filters and are they channel specific? Seems like this will be costly but im still interested.

The 'cylinder' type were $35 and the 'brass box' type was $250 (I got it cheaper than that because of my past business). They came from Communications & Energy out of E. Syracuse;
http://www.cefilter.com/products/display_categories.asp?catID=1

Ask for Tracy. BTW, the reason for the more expensive trap was the proximity of ch. 40 to ch. 43 and the borderline signal I get from 40. Those sleave traps are too broadband, there was too great of a 'skirt' for them to be effective. I would suggest trying a sleave type for channel 43 (assuming you will need one) first.

cwoody, I have to ask you this, when you get SD signal coming in is it with the black bars or does it stay in the 16/9 format? The reason I am asking is my programing stayed 16/9 through out and that comes in the house OTA and i recorded it to my Sony RDR-HX900 DVD Recorder which has a hard drive.

Black Donnelys is letterboxed in SD. So for the last half of the show I had black bars on the top/bottom AND on the right/left. The black bars are part of the signal so my TV and TiVo both still thought it was a 16:9 program and would not let me zoom or stretch the picture.

I wonder if your Sony automatically started zooming the picture for you?

Here's an idea too zigyblu: take a look at your recording if you still got it. Around the 45 minute mark there was one of those annoying advertisements at the bottom of the screen. That wouldn't have appeared in the HD version.

And the NBC "bug" in the lower left corner - it should have "HD" included. For my recording, the "HD" part of the icon isn't there for half the show.

I have Avermedia M780 digital QAM tuner and I am trying to determine if there is an issue with the QAM tuner on this model? I just got the card installed and tried the software Avermedia has for it and the digital OTA HD worked fine and so did the analog TV but, I did not pick up anything using the QAM feature in their software. I spoke to Time Warner's customer service and they said they are not required yet to transmit any signal in clear unencypted QAM since they broadcast the local OTA signals in analog on their local system here in Tonawanda NY. Has any one else in my area tried a QAM tuner to that would verify what the customer service rep told me. I'd try another brand tuner if this one was not working properly but it since it might not make a difference I am trying to do some research here.

Customer Service didn't know what they're talking about. You absolutely should receive (regardless of whether it's 'required' or not) WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW, WNED and WUTV unencrypted via QAM.

You should also pick up all the digital music channels.

Search this thread for more info on what channel numbers the local stations show up on typically on QAM. (slight differences may exist with some tuners)

Here's an idea too zigyblu: take a look at your recording if you still got it. Around the 45 minute mark there was one of those annoying advertisements at the bottom of the screen. That wouldn't have appeared in the HD version.

And the NBC "bug" in the lower left corner - it should have "HD" included. For my recording, the "HD" part of the icon isn't there for half the show.


cwoody,
I'm sorry but my recording of the show has now been deleted and i can't bring it up to check. I'm pretty sure that i would have seen the picture change when you said it went to a zoom shot. I have it set up so as always give me a 16x9 picture but you would notice a zoom shot if it were there.

I don't mean to be argumentative here but i don't recall any change in the picture or it's quality last week. I do like that show and i'm sure i would have noticed that..

Rwalter63:

I originally ran into the same problem here in Cheektowaga. My Mitsubishi DLP Tv would pick up the local unencrypted QAM channels but my MYHD MDP-130 card would not. Contact MYHD support & the told me to connect to the same line as my tv was hooked up to. Sure enough it worked. The problem was that the tuner card was not getting enough signal. I hooked up a Motorola signal booster & now pick the local QAM channels without a problem!

I am in orchard park and have a large directional motorized antenna on the roof, and was using the atsc tuner on my hdtv. No sound on WGRZ, I got a samsung ATSC receiver from circuit city and it works well, including wgrz.

With the antenna pointed at the cn tower (330 degrees) get get full signal from all local channels and about 65% for CBC/CBLT.

Has anyone from the southtowns been able to pick up Rochester DTV or CFTO(CTV) form the cn tower or any Hamilton DVT. I guess erie, pa is out of the question. Any advise?

I have a winegard pr 8800 with a Samsung HDTV Digital Terrestrial Receiver
Model: DTB-H260F, purchased at circuit city . The antenna has a rotor and the co ax cable is about 100 ft long, i am in op and the antenna is mounted on the roof. From here the cn tower is @ 330 degrees, as are the grand island signals. With the antenna directed in this direction I get all local channels with 100% signal and cbc at about 60-70% with very good reception. No Hamilton, no CTV, no Rochester. I would like to pick those up. I guess I will need a preamp for that.

IF you are less than 20 miles from Grand island a Preamp will likely overload killing your Toronto reception.

maevejr; Can you get ch 40 CFTO?? Where exactly in O.P.?

I am off of jewitt-holmwood between freeman and Old transit. With the samsung tuner I have it only allows an auto scan. I point the antenna right at the cn tower (330 degrees for me) and it doesnot pick up 40, CFTO

am i getting to much signal from grand island or other locals, maybe thats killing cfto.

If anything it would be more to the south since you are only 8-9 miles away from three of them (33, 38 & 39).

I took a stab at where you are;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?act=out&outfact=2&map.x=211&map.y=180&lat=42.7517471&lon=-78.7163925&wid=0.015&ht=0.015&iht=359&iwd=422&&&&off=CITIES&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.75088&mlon=-78.74770&msym=redpin&mlabel=Orchard_Park__NY&murl=&conf=mapnew.con

And got this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E7518272&longitude=%2D78%2E7162323&magnetic_north=%2D9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

Direction wise, you are worse off than I am. Toronto is directly in line with Gilligans Island (within 1 degree). But, with 22 miles instead of less than 7, you have a chance. Thou, those three SE of you (off to the backside) might be a issue also. You need a SLM to see what you are up against for signal.

Can you get analog channels 41, 47, 52, 57 & 69? Especially 52 & 57 (not watchable, but receivable)?

I will have to check re: analog. I will get back to you, SLM?

Signal Level Meter.

I am new at this, I did notice other threads of your from a while back. I seems to me that to pick up the relatively weak CTV/CFTO signal I would have to attenuate the noise of the locals. Sounds like i bit of a pain.

I can't seem to pick up Rochester DT, even though the signal strength is much greater. Do you know of anyone who picks up Rocester or Hamilton, is this extremely rare or non existent.

I guess Erie, PA is out.

JR

I seems to me that to pick up the relatively weak CTV/CFTO signal I would have to attenuate the noise of the locals. Sounds like i bit of a pain. Yes, it is a PITA and there is no way of knowing if it will work. As I posted before it all depends on how hard you want it. For most it isn't worth it.
I don't have any idea about Rochester. Those signals are very tough since their elevation is very low. You do have an avantage because of your elevation and location where I don't. I know people out in Clarence and east can do it (at least use to with analog channels). I doubt Erie would work since you are probably to far inland.

I guess from a CTV or other DTV from the cn tower, I will have to wait until they increase their signal or the grand island towers reduce theirs. My house, the grand island towers and cn tower are in a straight line.
So I will occasionally check back, and rescan for CTV from time to time.

I will have to wait until they increase their signal or the grand island towers reduce theirs The first part is a maybe, the 2nd is a no way.

Where is the stinking HD feed for the Niagara-Kansas game?

My brother down in Binghamton is watching it in HD, but we can't here, despite Niagara being the local team! Give me a break WIVB.

i need to split my antenna feed and send two separate ATSC tuners, one to my pc pvr and the other to my samsung tuner, does anyone have a recommendation that minimizes signal loss.

On paper, splitting a signal drops it 3db. In reality, I always figure 4db per 2-way splitter. You can't do anything about it. The only way to make up the loss is with an amp before the splitter or a 2 or 4 output amp. The overload issue is still there especially with cheap amps.

i need to split my antenna feed and send two separate ATSC tuners, one to my pc pvr and the other to my samsung tuner, does anyone have a recommendation that minimizes signal loss.
you will lose some signal with a splitter; however, it may not make any difference. if it does weaken the signal too much you can try a video distribution amp or a an antenna preamp then split

is there a local qam line up for twc

Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

??

thnx

well you'll need a rotor if you want to aim at Toronto or Buffalo depending on what your watching. Depending on your tuner however, you may be able to aim your CM4228 at Toronto and and pick up all the Bufallo stations off the back.

I have a preamped CM4228 aimed at Toronto, and the Buffalo channels (east and northeast) all come in of the sides and rear of my CM4228, except FOX, because it is directional. I would think that you would for the most part get all the Buffalo stations even with your CM4228 aimed rite at Toronto.

With a 5-6-or 7 ft parabolic antenna most of you whose antennas are skirting Grand Island off to the west would probably be able to see all To channels. It miht also allow you to run a preamp since your pointing the antenna pattern alot tighter. Although my specs for the 6 ft model are now in Utah being sized im not expecting a prototype right away. Grand island is 5 miles as the crw flys from me here in Lockport. With a 7 ft parabolic i can watch Erie Pa analog and DIGITAl in good conditions with Grannd island basiclly in the same direction. apx 20deg off.
I can receive all the Erie HDs w/o a problem from the island.
The more directive and narrow a pattern you can make your antenna the better your chances. That is why a long 100" yagi will look at alot more narrow view and produce more concentrated gain than a 4or 8 bay will. In a serious setup 2 winegard or antennacraft yagis side by side stacked will really narrow the view. Nothing will compare to a parabolic in terms of beamwidth thou. I have yet to see anything that compares . Thats in 26 yrs of business. You guys out in HAmburg have a nice advantage. Height and a clear view across the pond thru grand island.
DO NOT consider a preamp unless you can mout it inside and play with it. 90% chance you'll ruin what you have because of Island Overload.
Sorry guys !! Havent been on here in awhile took a shot vacation and been down with the flu ;-((((
Rich Lockport

rwantannasat:

I am new to this forum and new to OTA DT. I am located in OP, off of Jewitt-Holmwood about halfway between old Transit and 240/277. I have a roof top wineguard PR 8800 with a rotator, no amplifier or preamp etc. I have a cable run of around 100 ft and use a Samsung DTB-H260F receiver. I am interested in only DTV signal and on Auto tune ( I tuner with the antenna pointed at GI and CN tower (330deg) I receive all BFLO dtv signal and CBC(CBLT) without any difficulty.

Once I received CBLT Fr, never again. I have never received Rochester, Erie, Hamilton or other Toronto DTV, including CFTO (CTV). I can honestly say that the only limits I have as far as upgrading is that My wife will have me murdered if I put a bigger or uglier antenna up. Otherwise, I would consider other options.

My main question is.... Is this as good as it gets. Is my system at an optimum or are there other things I can have done to improve reception, my wish list would be CFTO, Hamilton, Rochester and then Erie in that order.

Will there be advancements in the near or not to distant future in regards to antenna technology, tuners, transmission signal strength, filters, amplifiers

Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

??

thnx

A lot of the movies they put on are 4:3 and stretched to 16:9. They do show some movies in true 16:9 and all of their sports are as well.

My main question is.... Is this as good as it gets. Is my system at an optimum or are there other things I can have done to improve reception, my wish list would be CFTO, Hamilton, Rochester and then Erie in that order.

Will there be advancements in the near or not to distant future in regards to antenna technology, tuners, transmission signal strength, filters, amplifiers[/QUOTE]
CFTO-dt will not be able to increase power until analog shut down in Canada.There is no time table for this.The Toronto digitals are sharing transmitting antennas with analog transmitters and can not increase power without causing interference to the analogs.So CFTO-dt is stuck at 17KW for several more years 5 to 10.

I guess all I can say is thank goodness they are the only channel that makes the picture so distorted!!!

A lot of the movies they put on are 4:3 and stretched to 16:9. They do show some movies in true 16:9 and all of their sports are as well.


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Originally Posted by philherz
Have TW in Amherst with an SA8300 box.

All HD channels look fine, except TNTHD...it looks stretched. Just like if the STB is set for ZOOM, but it's set for "normal" just like for all the channels.

Is this a TW issue or does the OTA signal do the same?

??

thnx

Ah how the need for a parabolic uhf antenna grows!! I bet they regret doing away with that model. Too bad they don't bring it back.
BUT, I would think shipping would be a big issue though I have no idea how it came unassembled. I only saw it once on a small cottage like home in Kenmore 30 years ago. Almost as large as the house. CFTO-dt will not be able to increase power until analog shut down in Canada.There is no time table for this.The Toronto digitals are sharing transmitting antennas with analog transmitters and can not increase power without causing interference to the analogs.So CFTO-dt is stuck at 17KW for several more years 5 to 10. May I ask where this came from? Is it more the RF loading on the existing antennas (RF heating of the actual antenna and feedline)?
You have a issue with ch 40 where you are??

is there a local qam line up for twc


I am new here, please let me know if you are looking for something else.

1.1 WUTV FOX
88.1 WGRZ NBC
88.2 WIVB CBS
89.1 WNED PBS
89.3 WKBW ABC

You have a issue with ch 40 where you are??

CTV is a solid signal for the most part. I've read of people who can't pick it up from Port Colbourne, ON which is basically the same distance away from Toronto as Buffalo. It's probably that u guys just need height/a direct path to the CN Tower to get CFTO.

I'm in the village of Lancaster, by Broadway and Lake, near Como Park...I'd like to get Canadian HD feeds OTA...preferably HNIC...right now I'm using a silver sensor in my living room. So would it look like I need:

1. Preamped antenna in the attic
2. Preamped antenna on the roof
3. A boot in my @ss for such a silly idea

you'd probably be able to get CBC-HD (HNIC) with a CM4228 on your roof aimed at Toronto (don't worry about the preamp).

Better get it up before Saturday, Leafs and Sabres play in HD broadcast in CBC-HD 20-1

3. A boot in my @ss for such a silly idea No, just a boot in the ass for saying it's a silly idea. What's silly about it??

Actually choice #4: A roof antenna with a amp in the attic (where you can get to it).

You can fine tune this if you wish;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?infact=2&outfact=2&act=move&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.901681&mlon=-78.663085&msym=redpin&mlabel=14086__Lancaster_&murl=&lat=42.8964729&lon=-78.6677094&wid=0.013&ht=0.013&conf=mapnew.con&map.x=210&map.y=206

With that I got this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E8954964&longitude=%2D78%2E6678238&magnetic_north=%2D9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

The important thing is Toronto is 21 degrees away from Grand Island which gives you a shot. The only way to know is get the antenna up there w/o any amp and see if you get ch. 20 (CBC digital). Then, see how well ch 52 & 57 come in (if you see them at all). If you do get those you might/should have a shot at ch 40, try that. Remember moving the antenna from one end of the roof to the other can make a difference, but try the location that affords the shortest distance to thet main TV (and is easy to get to if there is a difference).

So without reading 103 pages, what's a good page to start on for getting information on here?

Is there like an OTA HD-Antenna for newbs?

You might be better on the Toronto thread;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=465187&highlight=toronto
or here;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=129

1. Depends on just what and how many stations you are looking for.
2. Depends on where exactly you are living and how high the antenna will go.

BTW; Welcome to the forums and if you change the page view under perferences there would only be 52 pages.

anyone know if twc is planning on getting MSG in hdtv. I live in buffalo but was albany this week. Twc in albany has msg hdtv there. I would like to get the sabres games in HD. Any other news on new channels for twc??

Larry Quinn did an interview on wgr during the week & stated there were no plans to broadcast sabres games in HD until after next season. MSG HD would be useless to sabres fans until the sabres broadcast in HD.

For now, all we have is CBC ch 20.

You had a choice this weekend; watch them win on smearvision (MSG) or watch them loose in HD on CBC.

If the Sabres make the Cup finals (and depending on which Canadian teams make the east finals, maybe the east finals) you'll get to see the entire series in HD on CBC.

The new CBC-HD Mobile Truck, Encore, is now finished and ready for the playoffs, so CBC will have two trucks going about to cover games in HD.

Also if the Sabres play Ottawa in the playoffs (or even Montreal/Toronto) you'll see those games in HD as well on CBC.

anyone know if twc is planning on getting MSG in hdtv. I live in buffalo but was albany this week. Twc in albany has msg hdtv there. I would like to get the sabres games in HD. Any other news on new channels for twc??

Even when MSG shows the Rangers play the Sabres, the local feed (MSG Buffalo) trumps the HD broadcast. This is Bettman's doing, and it's the same reason you can't see the Sabres live when they play on HDNet.

Easter Sunday's game against the Flyers- on NBC- should be in HD locally.

If the Sabres make the Cup finals (and depending on which Canadian teams make the east finals, maybe the east finals) you'll get to see the entire series in HD on CBC.

The new CBC-HD Mobile Truck, Encore, is now finished and ready for the playoffs, so CBC will have two trucks going about to cover games in HD.

Also if the Sabres play Ottawa in the playoffs (or even Montreal/Toronto) you'll see those games in HD as well on CBC.

Versus carried the Carolina/Sabres series in HD last season.

A new post on dbstalk says the Buffalo HD MPEG4 locals will be lit up on April 4th on D*. Four cities are supposed to go live this Wednesday and then Buffalo and 3 other cities on the 4th. We'll see. I've heard 3 different time frames for when they'd go live, though this is the first time I've heard an actual date instead of just a time frame. So anyone with the 5 LBN dish and either the H20 or HR20 receivers should check things out next Wednesday and let us know how it goes (I'm still holding out with my HR10 which can't receive the MPEG4 channels). I'm not sure which locals will be available either. Supposedly this comes from an internal source at D*.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=83215

Versus carried the Carolina/Sabres series in HD last season.

I was just mentioning what u'd get off air from Toronto in HD. NBC will likely show a number of sabres playoffs games too (saturday and sundays)

Looks like next Wednesday is a real date for the Buffalo MPEG4 locals to go live on D* based on the fact that the 4 cities listed for going live today did in fact go live.

I am thinking of dumbing digital cable from adelphia and dropping down to the basic and standard.

I have a Tivo HD with an dual tuners, one for the antenna, the other for cable. My question is... will i be able to pick up the unencrypted DTV (A&E, discovery,TNT, wgr,ivb,kbw,ned) with just the basic/standard feed or do i need the digital feed coming in and what are their channel locations??

That question has been asked before. Please look back through the thread. There are only five 'locals' in the clear.

I saw this thread...

1.1 WUTV FOX
88.1 WGRZ NBC
88.2 WIVB CBS
89.1 WNED PBS
89.3 WKBW ABC

but I was wondering about the "free HD channels" at TWC: ESPN, ESPN2,A&E HD,DISC HD Music HD,TNT HD...wishful thinking?

No, it's not "wishful thinking", it's called the "retail lie".
Yea, those "free" channels are free after you pay your monthly bill!

They're "free" in the sense you need not subscribe to an HDTV package. But you still need to rent an HD receiver in order to decrypt those channels. It's quite possible it's not TW's decision to encrypt them but the stations themselves demand it.

FYI: I also have a Series3 TiVo... one tuner for OTA, one for cable and I also only get those 5 local HD stations.

Well I love the series three, with OTA DTV and I currently have TWC with basic/standard/digital and inHD, HDnet, HDnetMovies and Universal HD. I block alot of the channels I don't use so that the majority in my line up are HD

I only have on cable card, but to get dual record/view I need to add the second (right?). I have noticed that occasionally the TWC HD channels are not available, is this a common problem with the cable cards and can TWC here fix it or will it be like reinventing the wheel so to speak

So sinse I have OTA HD/DTV with the series three.... I am, in fact, paying for two cable cards, digital cable and the HD package to pick up the following.....

HDnet, UniHD,ESPN1-2 HD, HD net Movies, InHD, A&E HD, TNT HD, DISC HD, and golf channel (only digital channel I watch)

The cheap skate in me says dump it and go with the series 3 with basic and standard (I need MSG) and just go with free OTA HD & SDTV

But you still need to rent an HD receiver in order to decrypt those channels. You you don't. Ever heard of CC (Cable Card)??

You're getting the additional HD channels because of the CableCARD... it's performing the duties of an HD box. And if you are paying for the HD package on top of that, that's why you're currently getting even MORE HD channels.

Yes, you need either zero or two CableCARDs to enable two tuners in the Series3. With one card you will only be able to record one show at a time, period.

If your paid channels are disappearing it's a problem with the provisioning of your Cards or something... you should call TW. May require new cards or a visit. I'd recommend you visiting the TiVo forum for more info.

You you don't. Ever heard of CC (Cable Card)??

Didn't see the poster's other post yet.

Should have said that he needed some hardware from the cable company to perform the function of decrypting channels that you have to pay for to receive. Often commonly referred to as a "cable box" but can be performed by other, newer technologies such as a "CableCARD" ;)

NICE! The MYTV Thursday night movie at 8pm was HD. But the sound was some really messed up 5.1.

It seems the Elton John Special on 4/5 on MYTV will be in HD also.

Cool; thanks for the heads up!

TWC says that YES HD should begin tomorrow - April 1 - on channel 770. Just in time for opening day.

They said that HDNet, now on 770, would be reassigned to another channel.

so i get home at 1:30 am and turn my twc on. Gee, there is 770 YESHD but it is blocked out "not authorized". So i call twc. Like usual i get disconnected. So i call them back. I talk to some guy who does not know why it is not on my set and to give it 24 hrs. Lot of help there. I asked about MSG HD. I told him i was in albany 2 weeks ago and twc there has it. He of coursed doesnt know anything. He did say within 3 weeks twc buffalo will be launching "quite of few new channels". I said how many is that. He stated about 10. I asked him what are they. He said wait while he pulls up the list. 5 minutes later he cant find the list. So, for my 20 minutes on the phone i was disconnected once, did not get the one channel i am supposed to have turned on and not given any info on future hd channels because he cant find the list. All i got to say is WHERE OH WHERE IS VERIZON FIOS!!!!! I cant wait for this nightmare with twc to end. I have nothing but problems with them and poor picture quality on my 62"hdtv. They have been at my house more than i am. To make matters worse i had to downgrade last month from the SA8300 to the Sa8000 because the 3 8300's i have give me black horizontal lines on 480. Sorry about the rant. IF this is not on tomorrow i will be calling again. I will posst any info on the new hd channels

Currently I have a standard TW digital box and I use my QAM tuner for HD. I have a four way splitter on the line coming into the house (5-2150 MHz). Two lines go to other TV's in the house and one goes to the cable modem. Right before the digital box I have a 2-way splitter (5-1000 MHz), one to the cable box and one to the TV for the QAM tuner. I was having trouble with FOX HD ch 1-1. Sometimes it wouldn't get pulled in at all and most of the time it had numerous freezes and pixelization. I also had touble with some of the higher digital channels from the cable box. 101, 102, 103, 104 and a few others wouldn't come in one day. I added an amplifier after the four way splitter just on the line going to my HDTV. It appears to have helped on the FOX HD and the higher digital channels that I couldn't get now come in but have some freezes. Could this be a problem outside the house at the pole. If I call TW and they come out, what will they do with my mess of stuff in the basement? Also, is there a different way I should have stuff configured inside my house. Would a 4 way amplifier be better. I figured just amplify the line to my TV because that is the only one I am having signal strength problems with. Let me know what you guys think.

so i get home at 1:30 am and turn my twc on. Gee, there is 770 YESHD but it is blocked out "not authorized". So i call twc. Like usual i get disconnected. So i call them back. I talk to some guy who does not know why it is not on my set and to give it 24 hrs. Lot of help there. I asked about MSG HD. I told him i was in albany 2 weeks ago and twc there has it. He of coursed doesnt know anything. He did say within 3 weeks twc buffalo will be launching "quite of few new channels". I said how many is that. He stated about 10. I asked him what are they. He said wait while he pulls up the list. 5 minutes later he cant find the list. So, for my 20 minutes on the phone i was disconnected once, did not get the one channel i am supposed to have turned on and not given any info on future hd channels because he cant find the list. All i got to say is WHERE OH WHERE IS VERIZON FIOS!!!!! I cant wait for this nightmare with twc to end. I have nothing but problems with them and poor picture quality on my 62"hdtv. They have been at my house more than i am. To make matters worse i had to downgrade last month from the SA8300 to the Sa8000 because the 3 8300's i have give me black horizontal lines on 480. Sorry about the rant. IF this is not on tomorrow i will be calling again. I will posst any info on the new hd channels

TWC told me that YES HD waas on "in some areas, but needed the system to reset tonight in other areas." They said if you are getting the not authorized message today you should get the station tomorrow.

We'll see . . .

thanks for the info... they wanted to send a tech to my house. I said for what. There is nothing wrong at my residence. Everything else does work and come in. IT is obviously a programming issue. Every time i ask twc a simple question they never have a answer and tried to feed u a load of....

I know this is off topic, but may be of interest to people in the Buffalo area. The Buffalo news has a coupon in todays paper for ISF HD calibration for $99.95 FWIW.

thanks for the info... they wanted to send a tech to my house. I said for what. There is nothing wrong at my residence. Everything else does work and come in. IT is obviously a programming issue. Every time i ask twc a simple question they never have a answer and tried to feed u a load of....

Well, still no YES HD here (6:30 am), so the system did not "reset." Why do I feel like the next TWC response will be something along the lines of "the dog ate my homework."

This is clearly a system wide programming issue - all of the other channels (including re-assignments) are working fine.

I had the same response on Sunday afternoon. They said they would send out a technician on Tuesday to reprogram the box. Didnt make much sense to me but whatever.
Now this morning YES-HD came in loud and clear. Just in time for the opener.

my YES is now working. Anyone know of other HD channels coming to TWC

As for MSG HD for Buffalo Sabres games... There is no reason for time warner to add msghd to buffalo cable for sabres fans. The Sabres do not broadcast in HD. According to Larry Quinn, the Sabres will not add HD to their broadcast until AFTER next season. They will also be adding a new scoreboard in HSBC arena when they do go HD.

The only positive to adding MSGHD would be to broadcast msg in digital instead of the dark blurry analog signal currenty on channel 28

I take it everyone else is getting the NCAA Championship Basketball game in SD also??? I checked it on 4-1 OTA and 704 on TW and it's SD on both... I can't believe this game isn't covered in HD so somebody local is dropping the ball. Anyone know the WIVB contact information???

Regarding the NCAA game.
I called the "Call 4 Action Consumer Investigator" line (phone number on their website). A very nice lady insured me that a technician is working on the problem.

HD feed back up as of about 9:25 or so. Thanks CBS.

No INHD love for Sabres fans tonight? Shame on TWC.

I have never seen a sabres game in HD yet

Well the VersusHD games used to be on INHD, before they dropped the second channel. I think I remember watching the season opener in HD. We really need VersusHD on TWC in Buffalo.

Sabres were in HD on Directv channel 95 last night. Directv will show a lot of Versus HD hockey games on that channel.

Sabres were in HD on Directv channel 95 last night. Directv will show a lot of Versus HD hockey games on that channel.

Yep. Great picture, but HORRIBLE announcers.

Yep. Great picture, but HORRIBLE announcers.
Yup. Really makes you appreciate Jeanneret and Lorentz.

D* launched 2, 7 and 29 in HD today. Channel 4 is not included since it's parent company LIN broadcasting won't sign retransmission agreements with D* (lots of cities are missing LIN owned HD stations on D*).

Anyone else bummed because Ch4 decided to give us Oprah instead of the Masters in HD yesterday. I sent off an email - I hope it helps...

I have never seen a sabres game in HD yet OTA is a wonderful thing and so is Canada!

Anyone else bummed because Ch4 decided to give us Oprah instead of the Masters in HD yesterday. I sent off an email - I hope it helps...

I inquired WIVB several days ago but they said they will not preempt Oprah!

Bad news for the golfers here.

Hockey fans;
CBC 20.1
This Saturday, next Wednesday & next Friday!

Sabres; Sunday 1pm on NBC

The masters was on USA Network Thursday & Friday afternoon, WIVB did not have the option to show golf.

Has anyone else noticed the very low volume on dd 5.1 audio for 23 - Last nights Smallville and on and off same issue for 43-1 Wned? The audio on 43-1 as compared to 43-2 and 43-3 sounds almost muffled and you can barely hear it. I called Wned today and talked to an engineer there that stated he saw no problem with the audio - funny how about an hour later it was corrected?

The masters was on USA Network Thursday & Friday afternoon, WIVB did not have the option to show golf.

Yes, they did - see the HDTV programming folder. And they also did it last year. I sent them an email asking if they would like to show Oprah again during this weekends coverage.

I could understand it Oprah was in HD, but...

Spoke to twc tech today stated that MSG and VS will be HD in two months. Also stated game plan is to have all channels in HD by JAN 2008. We will see.. it would be nice

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arggh_123; One thing you wont have to worry about is overload when you add a good preamp to your 4 bay UHF array;

http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=41%2E954678&longitude=%2D78%2E653967&magnetic_north=9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

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You are the third member in the past few days that said antennaweb didn't show anything and 2150 did.

I know Bradford is very mountainous. Are you in right in the town? If so, then probably no. The three locals, durning their weather forecasts, always show northern PA, so assumed these would be receivable from there. How about your neighbors? Do any have OTA antennas??

There is a thread for Google Earth. I was aware of this, but never looked into it. I have now and I'm blow away with what you can do with this program. Unfortunately, the Buffalo DMA is way to far down the list (49th) to be included for the additional xmitter coverage data that is supplied in that thread;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=821480

(I corrected the link since it didn't work for me when I re-checked it. Let me know if there is a problem.)

Anyone noticing slight blurring/smearing and slights ghosts on closeups during the masters?
I've noticed this on WIVB-DT for the last few months, if you watch the masters, the far away shots look great, but on the closeups, if the camera is moving following a golfers face, you can see the smearing, and the image almost jumps really faintly.

anyone able to notice this?

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I was just mentioning what u'd get off air from Toronto in HD. NBC will likely show a number of sabres playoffs games too (saturday and sundays)

Versus has the first round; I didn't see anything on MSG so that's it for Jeanneret and Lorentz...unless you've got a DVR, then simply delay the TV by 4-5 seconds and listen to 550AM. :D

Does anybody know what channel Versus HD is carried on w/Dish Network?

Versus has the first round; I didn't see anything on MSG so that's it for Jeanneret and Lorentz...unless you've got a DVR, then simply delay the TV by 4-5 seconds and listen to 550AM. :D

Does anybody know what channel Versus HD is carried on w/Dish Network?

A good thought, but I don't think that will work. Generally, the AM radio is way ahead of the Cable or Satellite feed. You would actually need to delay the radio to get this to work, if I'm thinking correctly. :)

arggh_123; I'm looking at Google earth and the area around Bradford is low resolution. There is a high mountain (2000'+) NNW of town, south of Bolivar Rd. Where are you in relation to this? The average elevation of Bradford along Rt 219 is 1450' to 1500'.

Hi everyone! New guy here. I was wondering if I could get some help/input. I purchased a new HDTV a few months back. During that time I used a indoor antenna and reception was ok for almost all locals. But signal drop led to research and these forums. After reading this entire thread I purchased a Wingard pr 4400 antenna. I live in Depew right off Transit Rd. By the Transit hill plaza. Being in an apartment and already having a satellite dish installed I figured I would try a temporary attic install. Literally hanging the antenna on 2 hooks and facing due north. To my amazement I received every local including CBC 5.1 and the religion 26.1 channel. All with 80% signal. Not bad for hack install to test I must say. Then I turned the antenna exactly to Toronto. The signal drop significantly on all northern and southern channels. So for giggles I took the antenna outside.
On the south west corner where it was a straight line of sight to both areas I wanted to receive from I tried again. No luck only half the channels and no Toronto. This was with moving the antenna exactly to the towers and due north as inside the attic. This was getting weird! Better reception inside but not outside?!?!?!? Would you recommend any changes to my setup? or should I just leave it as is and consider this a mixed blessing? My setup is below.

Phillips 42" plasma Built in OTA
50' RG6
Wingard pr-4400
CHEAP RCA 10db inline amp
Second story apartment
Trees over 30' but about 100' away and power lines eye level on the south and eastern side of the building.

Oh I did try that radioshack High gain amp but it over killed the signal and dropped most channels. Would you think I would have the same result with a cm7777 or similar preamp?

Thanks for reading and any help would be appreciated.

A good thought, but I don't think that will work. Generally, the AM radio is way ahead of the Cable or Satellite feed. You would actually need to delay the radio to get this to work, if I'm thinking correctly. :)

That would be what I expected, but it worked for me during the NBC game on Sunday. Let's see how it works w/Versus, assuming I can find the stupid HD channel.

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If you could get rid of that mountain 1 mile north of you or erect a 500' tower, you would be all set. At least you are 100' higher than the center of town.

Looks like you are SOL.

Versus has the first round; I didn't see anything on MSG so that's it for Jeanneret and Lorentz
I'm pretty sure that MSG will televise every game of round 1 and 2. Not until round 3 and 4 does VS/NBC have exclusive.

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I'm pretty sure that MSG will televise every game of round 1 and 2. Not until round 3 and 4 does VS/NBC have exclusive.

Hmm.

Kukla's Corner (http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/hockey/comments/versus_games_for_2007_nhl_quarteffinals) has Versus listed for all Buffalo games in the 1st round except for game 1 on the 12th. So the only way we're both right is if the NHL doesn't have that stupid 'exclusive' thing figured into the playoffs.

If you find something out, let me know! :)

I can't find anything in print, but I'm 99.99999% certain MSG will show round 1 and 2.

I can't find anything in print, but I'm 99.99999% certain MSG will show round 1 and 2.

Let's Go Sabres (http://www.letsgosabres.com/) shows MSG for entire first round. Maybe they ditched the exclusivity thing?

Like I said, I think Versus/NBC has exclusivity starting with the 3 round (conference finals).

Jimdoo:
I live near Cleveland & Union in Cheektowaga. Have an Antennacraft HD-1800 mounted about 20 feet up. Only once was I able to get CBC HD on a Saturday nite for a short time. Had a Wineguard before that but it got crunched in the October storm. If anyone in this area is able to get the Canadian digitals well please let me know what you're using!!

Chiming in a little late, but I'm actually down the hill from you (towards Maryvalle) and pull in CBC about 75% of the time. Seems like your biggest problem is the height. I have an antenna similar to yours, coupled with a 19db pre-amp, at 35 feet.

Just remember, it's a tight balance because you don't want to overload the analogs from GI and TO. Too much WILL interfere with your ability to hone in on CBC 20, but too little won't be enough. It took months of experimentation for me to get it right, well, 75% of the time.

arggh_123; For kicks and giggles, I tried Erie; two+ miles east of you, but there is a 2300' peak. SOL again.

rubblerubble; Union and Cleveland Dr. is around 705'. One of the highest locations within many miles. (Cleveland & Cayuga is around 10' higher). This should be a fine area for reception.

http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E9449425&longitude=%2D78%2E7540817&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

At 312 & 315 degrees for GI, Toronto is 337 degrees. 22 to 25 degrees of separation from GI, that should give you a decent rejection with the proper antenna. Overload is still possible though with a amp especially a cheapo.

After spending some time with Google Earth, my other problem is the Robert Moses power resevoir. It's 100' higher than the Niagara River. With your location there is even a higher 'ridge' east of there for the signal to pass over.

Does anyone have any info on chch dtv ota

Funny you asked that since it is a recent topic;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=61466&highlight=chch

Audio -23.1/ 43.1/49.1

Has anyone else noticed the messed up audio on these stations lately? There is no center channel audio on WNYO and the audio level is very low on pbs and wnlo at times- for some reason the audio is fine on the pbs other sub channels. I believe it to be a station problem because audio is always fine in dd 5.1 on fox and cbs!

I actually live right off of Bolivar Drive, here is a link to a Google Map showing my relation to it:
Here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Lambert+Drive&sll=41.97621,-78.633657&sspn=0.023801,0.038452&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=41.975317,-78.632627&spn=0.023801,0.038452&om=1&iwloc=addr)

i have a friend near Ononville Marina on the N.Y. side. We put up a 8 BAy bowtie and a winegard ap-4800 preamp. Mounted it at about 40ft. He is on a hill but other hills are near him that are slightly higher. On good days he can get the buffalo (colden digitals) apx 35% of the time. However he does better with the Erie pa channels. He gets all but 1 digtal out of Erie. He has Directv as well but wanted the Hd over air. That job was a challenge. We are thinking of adding 20' more to the tower soon. Erie might be a better chance for you?
Rich

For anyone that cares.......
Live in Getzville, NY. Bought a Philips MANT940 at Walmart and installed it on a 15' pole to try it out. Got 2,4,7,17,23,26,29,49 with a little adjusting. If installed on my roof I assume it will work even better. Signals varied from 40% to 80%. Worked better than an old roof antenna I have in the attic. Can easily be roof mounted using a mast from dish or dtv.

Funny you asked that since it is a recent topic;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=61466&highlight=chch

It's so frustrating to wait and wait and wait for Canadian OTA. Every now and then I get tantalized by a blip or two on DTV 40 and 66 when the conditions are right, but I can never get a picture, even for a fleeting moment. I have been able to pull in Roch and Erie on good tropo nights, but NEVER anything Canadian other than CBC 20.

Anyone know why WKBW didn't show Boston Legal in HD last night?

I hope they don't do the same thing for Lost tonight!

It's so frustrating to wait and wait and wait for Canadian OTA. Every now and then I get tantalized by a blip or two on DTV 40 and 66 when the conditions are right, but I can never get a picture, even for a fleeting moment. I have been able to pull in Roch and Erie on good tropo nights, but NEVER anything Canadian other than CBC 20.

don't worry, CBC is pretty much the only good station coming out of Toronto with HD content you'd want. The other stations pretty much just simulast HD shows off of American OTA Networks that you already get.

the only other valuable HD station out of Toronto area is CITY-HD, because they will show numerous uncut HD movies in OAR, about two a week these days, ie White Chicks, on this friday, or a movie like DareDevil, which was on in HD last Sunday.

If would would like to get city-hd off the CN Tower, try tuning in 53-1, although you probably won't get it, because it's a really weak signal and directional too I think.

As of this morning i am not getting any signal on HD OTA channels 2, 4 and 7. I am receiving them on 88-1, 88-2 and 89-3. Anyone know whats up with that?

Those are the actual cable channels numbers.
The term "2, 4 & 7" hopefully will go the way of the CRT.

You don't watch PBS?

Regardless of the technicalities, I think his concern was he's lost his OTA signal but still getting his QAM cable signal.

PS I wouldn't hold your breath for things like "2, 4, 7" going away from regular vernacular any time soon regardless of correctness.

Yes i lost the HD OTA signals for NBC,CBS,ABC and PBS. But still getting the QAM signals OK.
Just want to know if anyone else has this also???

PS I wouldn't hold your breath for things like "2, 4, 7" going away from regular vernacular any time soon regardless of correctness. I don't plan to Chris. Yes i lost the HD OTA signals for NBC,CBS,ABC and PBS. But still getting the QAM signals OK. As in, you don't have any signal off your antenna, but do have those stations on your cable?

What TV?
Do you have a STB?

According to Remotecentral, CBC broadcasts at only 38 kW. Why is that. Will the power be increased eventually?

This is very low considering WUTV is listed at 1000 kW.

videobruce wrote:

[/QUOTE]As in, you don't have any signal off your antenna, but do have those stations on your cable?
Correct

What TV?
LG with 2 separate RF input jacks for cable and antenna.
Do you have a STB?[QUOTE]
No
I am still receiving HD channels 23_1, 20_1 and 49_1 'Off The Antenna' and was curious if anyone else is NOT receiving 2_1, 4_1, 7_1 before i climb up on the roof and check my antenna.

If you can pick up 20.1, I doubt it's your antenna.
How about analog 19, 25, 41, 47, 52, 55, 57 and/or 69 (all weak, out of Ontario)?

I was getting all HD OTA this morning except 4.1 (39.1) which was a blank screen. I went into my Tivo's signal meter and there was no signal showing at all. This was at 7AM. Haven't been home since to check.

Videobruce: I humbly bow to your infinite wisdom about the much famed Silver Sensor antenna. I picked up one yesterday at CC after getting tired of fighting with my Terk multi-directional antenna in order to get both NBC and FOX. I hooked up the silver sensor and within 5 minutes I had all 7 locals coming in great on my Tivo's OTA tuner - this never happened with the Terk. After a few more days of reliable performance, the Terk will be banished from my setup and the silver sensor will rightly take its place atop the throne that is my entertainment center. All hail the silver sensor! :D

Why oh why didn't I listen before...

I have TW with an SA8300HDDVR and noticed that after 1 1/2 years of perfect performance, the last few recorded programs are totally pixelated during playback.

Since I'm not sure if it's a local TW issue or a SA8300 issue, I was wondering if anyone else is having any problems?

thnx

I was getting all HD OTA this morning except 4.1 (39.1) which was a blank screen. I went into my Tivo's signal meter and there was no signal showing at all. This was at 7AM. Haven't been home since to check.

I had 7.1 and 2.1 this morning on my TiVo. I didn't check 4.1. That's via OTA.

Silver Sensor, coincidentally :)

I had 7.1 and 2.1 this morning on my TiVo. I didn't check 4.1. That's via OTA.
I assume you have D*? If so, how do the HD locals look compared to OTA? I have D* but haven't upgraded to be MPEG-4 compatible yet.

Nope, no dish. I get HD via OTA and TW cable, both hooked up to my Series3 TiVo.

I'm home now and just checked. My OTA locals are all A-OK.

I have a Samsung HDTV Digital Terrestrial Receiver
Model: DTB-H260F, it has one ATSC tuner for input of OTA DTV or for cable. It allows an auto tune for cable and antenna(performed at the same time).

My main question is can I combine cable signal and ota signal using a combiner or some sort. If not does anyone know of a receiver/tuner that has input similar to the tivo hd series 3, or is the tivo hd the only product that offers two atsc/ntsc tuners one for cable, one for antenna??

cwoody:

Do you have to cable cards for your series three? I have the same set up as you OTA and TWC with TivoHD , its great but I have a problem with twc hd channels, more than occasionally they "blank out", i have to change the channel for a few minutes to wait for the signal to come back. Its as if the cable card goes down and then resets. Does this sound familiar??

I don't have CableCARDs, sorry.

I humbly bow to your infinite wisdom about the much famed Silver Sensor antenna. Somewhat exagreated (about me), but even the FCC likes it. After all, it is just a yagi (age old design). But, it is still overpriced. As I already stated, for the same price you can get that Eagle Aspen which is, without a doubt, the best bang for the $!

Glad it worked.

INHD1 had the versus broadcast in HD from the calgary/detroit NHL game last night. I am wondering since versus is broadcasting the next couple sabres games if we will get the same results in buffalo and actually get to watch the sabres in HD.

Anyone have any news on msghd and vs hd coming to buffalo twc. last i heard was 2 months. I would like it sooner for the playoffs.

INHD1 had the versus broadcast in HD from the calgary/detroit NHL game last night. I am wondering since versus is broadcasting the next couple sabres games if we will get the same results in buffalo and actually get to watch the sabres in HD.

Anyone have any news on msghd and vs hd coming to buffalo twc. last i heard was 2 months. I would like it sooner for the playoffs.


Only reason they are on last night and tonight is because VSGLF HD has Golf on Thursday and Friday nights. They will not show the game Saturday for us Sabres fans.

I sent a few emails out and got the standard "we are always looking to add new programming" BS from TWC about the addition of VSGLF HD...

typical. twc has msghd in albany. i was there 3 weeks ago and it was on. One of the twc techs i spoke with in person stated msg and vs will be hd in two months in bufalo. proabably in june

[QUOTE=FUCCO INHD1 had the versus broadcast in HD from the calgary/detroit NHL game last night. I am wondering since versus is broadcasting the next couple sabres games if we will get the same results in buffalo and actually get to watch the sabres in HD.]

I just heard on WBEN radio that the Versus broadcast will be blacked out here.
Something is wrong when the hometown fans don't get to see there team in HD but the rest of the country does. :(

Murray

what channel is the game going to be on? MSG????

what channel is the game going to be on? MSG????

MSG has exclusive rights to the first two rounds IIRC

Anyone have any news on msghd and vs hd coming to buffalo twc. last i heard was 2 months.
Even if TWC-Buffalo had MSGHD, the Sabres wouldn't be in HD since their games are not broadcast in HD. Rangers/Knicks games would be in HD, but Larry Quinn stated just recently that the soonest the Sabres are thinking about switching to HD is after the 2007-08 season, and that would probably just be for home games. Remember, both the channel and the show has to be HD (and not just the channel).

Dish Network has the Versus HD games on channel 9463 , unless of course your in the Buffalo Sabres market area in which case you will be seeing "this game is blacked out in your area" on your screen.

Thank You Gary Bettman and company.

Murray

Knowing the accuracy of TV Guide On Screen, I hesitated in listing this but here goes.
According to TVGOS here is the NBC/CBC listing for the next week as in possible/probable HD;

Friday............900p.....Dallas at Vancouver.....CBC
Saturday.......300p.....Pittsburg at Ottawa......NBC & CBC
Saturday.......700p....Tampa at New Jersey.....CBC
Sunday..........100p...................??...............NBC
Sunday..........700p...................??...............CBC
Monday.........700p...................??...............CBC
Tuesday........700p...................??...............CBC
Tuesday.......1000p...Detroit at Calgary.........CBC
Wednesday...700p....................??...............CBC
Thursday.......700p...Tampa at New Jersey.....CBC
Friday............700p...................??..............CBC

Please feel free to amend any of this from other sources.

Argh...is anyone else not getting the Sens v. Pittsburgh game this afternoon in HD over the air? Is this NBC's fault or the local channel's?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10299538#post10299538

they are having problems apparently.. i have twc hd service and the intro was in hd but the game is in sd

Argh...is anyone else not getting the Sens v. Pittsburgh game this afternoon in HD over the air? Is this NBC's fault or the local channel's?


Not sure if it is WGRZs fault or not. I called them, and the girl who answered gave me nothing but RRRUUUUDDDEEE attitude. I was nicely trying to ask her to contact an engineer to look into it. I'm watching the CBC feed instead. Enjoying seeing a Sen down on the ice in pain. Actually, I am loving it right!!!!!!

back in HD. I take nothing back NBC :)

For me it went into HD a few times but with no sound- then it quickly switched back to SD. Actually now that I think about it that same thing happened with an NHL game I watched on NBC a few weeks ago. Very annoying. :mad:

EDIT: As I was typing that it swtiched to HD with sound. I take it all back NBC! ;)

As I am typing this both NBC & CBC have the game on in HD.

Hey guys. I just got my first HD Set (SONY 46 LCD). I have a DN SD DVR now. I would like to pick up HD from Toronto. I live in West Seneca. I can pick up all the Buffalo digitals no problem with my attic antenna. Is it possible to pick up the Toronto digitals here? I can get a somewhat clear picture on 9 & 11 non-digital. What's a good antenna? thanks.

You might be able to pick up CBC 20.1, but as far as CFTO 40.1, I would doubt it unless you are very lucky. Please read through the past few pages of this thread on that subject.

There are plenty of threads in the reception forum for antenna suggestions.

PS; Welcome to the forums.

Thanks. I read everything I could, and it seems like I should be able to, but I can't get any signal at all on 20.1 using an old attic antenna. So I will be buying a new one.

TheCrunge,

I am in NT and get CBC w/ a CM4228 - still no CTV though- their power is lower than cbc.

it seems like I should be able to, but I can't get any signal at all on 20.1 using an old attic antenna No way, even in NT.

No way, even in NT.

Is their (CBC) digital signal power lower than their analog?

Also, I read on another website that channel 4 WIVB has a sub-channel 4.2 showing doppler radar. Is this true? I don't pick it up.


Thanks, this forum ( & HDTV ) is great.

I was told by a WIVB technician that 4.2 doppler radar was taken off the air and will not return.

Murray

That question has been asked before. Please look back through the thread. There are only five 'locals' in the clear.

I know that the question of clear qam has come up but I thought I would just pass on a conversation that I had with TWC this afternoon. I asked about receving HD locals without a cable box subscribing to the basic cable. She said that the only way to receive any hd channels including local was to get the box. She stated that Local hd channels in the clear is not supported or guaranteed and actually her perception is that it would not work.

I asked her how to reconcile what she is saying with customer experiences that I have read about. She simply repeated that it is not supported or guaranteed and is not supposed to work.

So...am I good to go to get the lifeline cable and get locals in hd or is TWC going to take this away soon?

hmm...

The TWC rep had no idea what she was talking about (surprise). Get lifeline cable; you'll get clear QAM HD locals just fine.

Is their (CBC) digital signal power lower than their analog? All 'digital' ERPs' are lower output than their analog counterparts. Higher power isn't needed. 4.2 doppler radar was taken off the air and will not return. There was many discussions a few months back regarding this. It had to do with a FCC mandate concerning the amount of required childrens programming (or something as that). She said that the only way to receive any hd channels including local was to get the box. She stated that Local hd channels in the clear is not supported or guaranteed and actually her perception is that it would not work. Typical corporate lie. Hard to tell who lies more; NCTA, CEA or Bush. They want you to rent their box so you will order PPV events. More $$ for them.

Thats' why I don't like cable provided STBs'! Too much of a temptation to hand out more $$ when that same movie will be on another service within a year. It's the same movie, who cares when you see it. I don't have to be the first on the block to see every new release (especially since 99% of them aren't worth it even if they are free). [quote]Get lifeline cable; you'll get clear QAM HD locals just fine.[quote] Chris, are you sure of that? Lifeline are channels below 15 (or so) with the others trapped out including 88 & 89.

TheCrunge; Where in West Seneca are you?

[quote]Get lifeline cable; you'll get clear QAM HD locals just fine.[quote] Chris, are you sure of that? Lifeline are channels below 15 (or so) with the others trapped out including 88 & 89.

Nope, I'm not sure. I was probably assuming something I shouldn't.

TheCrunge; Where in West Seneca are you?

I'm off of Main St. between the high school & Union. We just bought the house 2 months ago.

Chris; Everything below ch 26 is basic. All they do is install a band stop filter for anything above ch 27;

I used Main & Union as the reference point (didn't know where the school is);
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?infact=2&outfact=2&act=move&off=CITIES&on=majroads&on=places&on=railroad&on=statehwy&on=street_names&on=ushwy&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.836162&mlon=-78.75109&msym=redpin&mlabel=14224__West_Seneca_&murl=&lat=42.8336105&lon=-78.7537231&wid=0.013&ht=0.013&conf=mapnew.con&map.x=211&map.y=177

Toronto & Grand Island are only separated by 2 degrees. You are 10 miles further away than I am. West Seneca is slightly higher. The power project is one obstacle as it is with me. You should get CBC (antenna up high enough), but I doubt CFTO.

Toronto & Grand Island are only separated by 2 degrees. You are 10 miles further away than I am. West Seneca is slightly higher. The power project is one obstacle as it is with me. You should get CBC (antenna up high enough), but I doubt CFTO.

Well that's good to hear. I will be getting a new antenna & I'll put it up as high as I can. I'll be sure to report my success (or failure) here.

WGRZ-VC2-1, VC2-2

Anyone else notice this change in WGRZ's PSIP? - Will Wned make this change also?

Yes WGRZ -dt PSIP showing VC1.

TheCrunge; Neither I, or anyone else can ever guarantee anything. It's a real crap shoot.

What the hell is "VC1"?

TheCrunge; Neither I, or anyone else can ever guarantee anything. It's a real crap shoot.

What the hell is "VC1"?

Could VC mean Virtual Channel?

Golly!

TheCrunge; Neither I, or anyone else can ever guarantee anything. It's a real crap shoot.

What the hell is "VC1"?

Oh I understand that. this new TV is becoming a whole new hobby for me.

this new TV is becoming a whole new hobby for me.
That's what I tell my wife but to her TV doesn't qualify as a hobby! :eek:

Oh I understand that. this new TV is becoming a whole new hobby for me.

Good luck! Don't get discouraged if you don't have instant success. Just keep working at it and sell what you didn't need on Ebay!

Oh, and remember there will be some nights where the air simply will not cooperate. I had a tough time this past weekend keeping a lock on CBC 20 with the volatile jet stream from the coastal storm.

just to let everyone know, WNGS was back on 7-2 this evening showing the yankees game

Does anybody know what the analog shutdown will mean to cable tv providers? What will be the role of free OTA DTV.

I suspect cable providers will no longer be able to receive, and therefore transmit analog cable signal. They will no longer be able to provide an basic/standard analog tier and a "digital tier" costing more. I suspect when the shut down happens, they will encrypt all digital signals (except for basic digital) to create tiers of programing.

Consumers will need an ATSC tuner(internal or external) to receive digital basic cable without a settop box. To receive encrypted channels you'll need a cable card or be stuck with a box.

If you want to receive both cable (CNN MSG MSNBC) and ota(locals)DTV after the shut down on a TV without a external box you will need two built in atsc tuners/RF inputs....right.

The analog shutdown only affects over the air signals. It means nothing to cable TV providers or subscribers. Analog cable TV can and will (most likely) continue.

Also, ATSC tuners cannot tune digital cable signals, just digital OTA signals. Digital cable signals need a QAM tuner.

just to let everyone know, WNGS was back on 7-2 this evening showing the yankees game

And on that note, I'd like to thank Gary Bettman for blacking out the HD Sabres broadcast on Versus I paid for last night.

Question : What's worse than having the ESPN broadcast of tonight's Yankees game blacked out ?

Answer : Not having another channel to view the game on as DISH does not offer the YES channel !!

How the heck can they blackout a game when there is no alternative channel to watch the game on?

Murray

Well in my quest to pick up any Canadian Digital Channels I could, I went out and bought a Winegard PR 9032 UHF Prostar 1000 Antenna ( $35.00 from Solid Signal). I got it today & hooked it up in my 1 story ranch's attic. Pointed it to the NW & came downstairs and did a scan. Whammo! I got all locals (except WKBW-DT 7.1 & 7.2), plus CBLT 5 (CBC Toronto). Unfortunately they're showing the Tampa Jersey game. But I hope once the Sabres get to the finals it will be in HD. Yippie! I also hear that they show some good movies too. It's been a while since I had cable, so I forgot about this channels shows.

I still have to mess around a bit to get WKBW. I get about %40 signal. I also bought a VHF UHV combiner. So I'll report back on my progress.

Question : What's worse than having the ESPN broadcast of tonight's Yankees game blacked out ?

Answer : Not having another channel to view the game on as DISH does not offer the YES channel !!

How the heck can they blackout a game when there is no alternative channel to watch the game on?

Murray

I guess that they are providing you with incentive to get cable or Directv . . .

TheCrunge; Questions;
1. Do you get any breakup with 20.1 (CBC)?
2. How well do 19, 25, 41, 47, 52, 57 & 69 come in, if at all (especially the last three)?
3. Do you have a rotor?
4. Why are you using that combiner?

Anybody notice that the PBS-HD Channel (43-1) is now always showing the exact same thing as WNED (43-2). It seems as if everything in just in upconverted widescreen now because of this change. I rarely see anything in actual High Definition on PBS HD anymore.

I hope they fix this, PBS-HD should be 24x7 HD.

I wish they would dump 43.2 altogether and merge the two together. The compression is terrible. There are SD programs on 43.2 (ch 17 analog) I watch and the Sony smear is unwatchable. Also as bad as satellite.

TheCrunge; Questions;
1. Do you get any breakup with 20.1 (CBC)?
2. How well do 19, 25, 41, 47, 52, 57 & 69 come in, if at all (especially the last three)?
3. Do you have a rotor?
4. Why are you using that combiner?

20.1 (5.1 actually. Why is that?) is flawless. No breakups at all.
I have not checked 19, 25, 41, 47, 52, 57 & 69 yet, but will soon
no rotor, just threw it on a tripod in my attic & pointed NW
I will be using a combiner because in my excitement induced stupidity I purchased an antenna, and then once I got it realized it was a vhf only. Then I got the UHF. So I want to combine them.=, I hope.

After 2009 you won't need VHF.

Find the weakest of those channels, have someone report from in front of the set as you rock the antenna back and forth for the strongest pic. The go to 40.1 and see if anything happens.

As far as the channel numbering confusion, talk to the NAB and the FCC. The broadcasters were worried about loosing viewers if the channel numbers changed in spite of the fact the 'dot-one' channels are incorrect.

What do you even need a VHF antenna for?

VHF will get your analog 2, analog 4, analog 5, analog 7...but these are all available in digital (UHF)

the only channel I can think of you'd be mising out on would be CHCH 11 from Hamilton, ON? And that channel just simsubs US TV.

I say aim the UHF straight at the CN Tower, connect it directly to your tuner (no combiner) and go for 40.1 (9-1). If it doesn't come in or is weak, get yourself a preamp.

Has anyone in Buffalo actually successfully locked in CTV 40.1 as of yet? Maybe you'll be the first.

Has anyone in Buffalo actually successfully locked in CTV 40.1 as of yet? Maybe you'll be the first.

I got it once from NT- for a min only due to dxing though! I dont know if a pre-amp would help or not- have not tried. The installer tried an indoor amp before he left when I had the antenna installed and it only made CBC worse than w/o it! Anyone care to advise on whether a pre-amp mounted near the antenna would help?

What do you even need a VHF antenna for?

VHF will get your analog 2, analog 4, analog 5, analog 7...but these are all available in digital (UHF)

the only channel I can think of you'd be mising out on would be CHCH 11 from Hamilton, ON? And that channel just simsubs US TV.

I say aim the UHF straight at the CN Tower, connect it directly to your tuner (no combiner) and go for 40.1 (9-1). If it doesn't come in or is weak, get yourself a preamp.

Has anyone in Buffalo actually successfully locked in CTV 40.1 as of yet? Maybe you'll be the first.


I don't know what I'm doing! I accidently bought the VHF & assumed I would need it to pick up WKBW seeing that I don't with my new UHF. I still need to mess around. With this nice weather I've been pretty busy outside. I don't get CTV 40.1 now (I do get around 26 signal though), but It would be cool if I would be the first. Like I said before, 20.1 comes in nice. I will eventually be mounting to a 10 foot mast on my roof this Summer, so maybe :) .

WKBW broadcasts on 38-1 digital, and just like every other digital buffalo station, doesn't require a VHF antenna.

Has anyone in Buffalo actually successfully locked in CTV 40.1 as of yet? You haven't been reading this thread closely enough. I reported this a couple of months ago. I accidently bought the VHF & assumed I would need it to pick up WKBW Here is a really good reason why I have no use for these 'fake' re-numbers digital channels. It only leads to this confusion. Asw I said before, another FCC f*ck up! Anyone care to advise on whether a pre-amp mounted near the antenna would help? Again, please go back a few pages and read what I posted regarding amps and preamps without traps/filters.

I have seen your pictures of your set up in So Buffalo with the sleeve filters and the two stage cavity filter and the distribution amplifier. Is this an attempt to pick up 40.1? Could you provide a little more detail as to these filters and their configuration.

Actually I'm in North Buffalo. I was working on a setup in S. Buffalo, but haven't had any sucess with it as of yet (and doubt I will because of location).

That last post was a little in haste as I was trying to look for when this topic was discussed, but couldn't find it.

The 1st attachment was my original setup. That got a little messy and since I had to use a step stool to access it, it was very inconveinent.
The next pix is what I have today with the addition of a 2 pole cavity filter (expensive, but worth it since it works).
The last entry is a closeup of those cylinder traps from C&E out of Syracuse. At around $35 each, that is the cheapest way to go. C&E will custom tune them for you.

http://www.cefilter.com/products/display_categories.asp?catID=1

But, being in NT, and with decent side rejection, Toronto shouldn't be any where as near of a problem as my location.
A side note. MOST amps won't be able to handle high inputs signals as what you have from G.I. Unfortunately, that Winegard amp (that does a better job than what I have had in the past) was discountinued, but will may be available from a dealer as I have only had it less than a year.

Thanks,

I my give this a try. I have two strikes against me though.
1. GI, OP and Toronto are in a straight line and....
2. I get a ton of signal from wgr,wivb,wkbw. So much signal, I just leave my atenna at 320 degrees.

Interestingly, I do frequently get CBLFT 25.1, so it must be a frequency thing, right?