Anyone know how to contact WUTV to tell them to switch to HD for the remainder of Drive and for 24?!

Have 88.1, 88.2 and 89.3 been moved over the weekend? Was flipping through before hitting Fox for drive and noticed suddenly I have no signal there.. Heroes in 45 mins.. heh.

They're still there for me but my TiVo Series3 had a hard time tuning them... took 2-3 times of up and down on the Channel button before they'd lock in. Weird. But maybe that's normal, I do OTA 99% of the time.

Damn FOX is still in SD... WTF?! :(

Yea.. cursing Fox atm myself.

Next time I'll call.

http://www.wutv.com/inside/contact.shtml

I didn't bother earlier... I didn't think a full two hours would go by before someone at the station noticed. Guess I was wrong.

At least they made my "24 or Heroes" 9pm decision an easy one...

I've been messing around with my antenna for couple of months now and still no cbc hd. My biggest problem i think is location. South Buffalo has a lower elevation than almost all the surrounding area and the fact that i'm directly in line with GI. Maybe thats why your having problems, Bruce. I really don't know anymore. I was messing around with Goggle Earth which you posted about awhile back, it's pretty cool. As a last resort i'm working with a sign installer to try and get another 10-15 feet of height. If that doesn't work, i'm moving further north!!

maevejr; Where in NT are you?
GI and Toronto are not in a straight line if you are in NT. If you are in the City of Tonawanda that's a different story and if so they you might of well forget it.

How well do you get CBLFT (it's actually 24.1). You are the first to report reception of that station. You shouldn't have much of a problem with 40.1. Actually, have you tried to get 64.1 (analog ch 47 CFMT) if they are still testing?

There is also this which seems more up to date than 2150 since it it tailored to this area;
http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html

Hey Chris, consider WUTV notified...................

Anyone else could chime in here??

I am actually in OP, between old transit and 240/270 off of Jewitt-Holmwood. CBLFT DTV actually maps to 25-1 on my TIVO HD Series three. I pick it up around once a week. It was coming in great on Saturday. Analog 25, 41 and 69 out of Toronto come in great as well.

Anyone know how to contact WUTV to tell them to switch to HD for the remainder of Drive and for 24?!
24 wasn't in HD? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was looking forward to watching it tonight. :mad:

Have 88.1, 88.2 and 89.3 been moved over the weekend? Was flipping through before hitting Fox for drive and noticed suddenly I have no signal there.. Heroes in 45 mins.. heh.


I can get these on one tuner but not another on the same line in my house. I wonder if TWC intentionally makes it difficult to receive these "free digital" channels. I also wonder if they are in compliance with the FFC with this "passive aggressive attitude" Any lawyers out there??

It seems to me that TWC should be required to support these channels and that they should be mapped consistently

They have to allow you to get them. (so technically they should help you with the one tuner... but good luck with that)

Yes, they make it intentionally difficult. Along with practically every other market and every other cable co.

And no, they're not doing anything illegal.

maevejr; Sorry, I got you mixed up with someone else.

Ok, that makes an even more dramatic situation. If you can get CBLFT all the way from OP, you have to get 40.1!

How about 19, 47, 52 & 57?

I get 19, 69,11,9 analog all the time, 19 11 and 9 are very good 69 is somewhat grainy. I get 25 CBLFT analog all the time but somewhat grainy. Last night I had CBLFT DT and 57 analog for most of the night.

Neither of my tuners, the TIVO HD Series 3 and a Samsung external tuners have never been able to autotune 40-1. I suspect I am getting too much noise from 4-1 and 7-1 from the south ( I am only a few miles away) and because GI and CN towers are in near directly line.

I have a Wineguard PR 8800 on the roof and a three out radioshack distribution amplifier to my three TVs. I just purchased a Channel master 7777 to improve mostly analog reception, it may hurt my attempt to get 40-1, but I will test it. One question: I put the power supply from the CM 7777 before the distribution amplifier right?

WGRZ-DT - New psip for 2-1 and Wgrz-Wx- for 2-2?

They also appear to be broadcasting the NBC nightly news in upconverted widescreen? I dont believe it's HD. As I'm writing this I see in the side bars NN- HD -maybe it is HD!
Is everyone else seeing this?

I wonder why TWC doesn't have the Sabres game on Versus in HD tonight. There really is no excuse not to have Versus/Golf HD in Buffalo.

This has been discussed here numerous times. The HSBC Arena is not set up for HD. So NO game played there is EVER going to be in HD!

The owners have said they will not be in HD until the 2008-2009 series at the earliest.

The game tonight is being broadcast by Versus in HD. TWC just doesn't carry Vs in HD even though it's available to them for no additional cost.

twc buffalo is too busy giving us all these great channels like MTV hd and PBS hd and lets not forget a&e hd which i have never seen a program in hd on. I would like msg ,vs and history channel.

OK, maybe I misunderstood previous complaints. Let's see if I get this now?

MSG doesn't broadcast in HD from HSBC so Round One we were screwed mostly because MSG had exclusive rights over VS for that round.

NBC will show HD from wherever they are??

VS will show HD from most venues but VS-HD is not available here?


Is that right?

But if so, then what's the previous statements about the 2008 season all about? Surely TWC could add VS earlier (and even if they couldn't they would never talk about channel additions that were over a year out).

The previous comment refers to someone at MSG or from the Sabres saying MSG would not be broadcasting Sabres games in HD until at least after next season. The rumor mill says Vs-HD might be coming before the end of the playoffs. Vs gmes will not be in HD on Thursdays or Fridays for this round it says on their website. NBC should be HD for the playoffs.

Edit: Vs-HD should be available on D* or DTV in Buffalo which ever one carries it.

there are no hd cameras in hsbc arena. when sabres are playing in nyc they have hd camera. therefore u will get the hd feed on sunday from nbc. Since twc does not even broadcast versus or msg hd signals

The Versus website indicates that the game tonight is in HD. HD cameras are portable, I think, so perhaps Versus brought their own equipment.

Edit: Typo

So perhaps the 2008 season is when HD cameras will be installed so all events will be capable of HD broadcast, not limited to the broadcaster bringing their own equipment?


Also, previous poster indicated TWC said VS-HD should be added by June or so. It's not as easy as flipping a switch to just add a channel to a lineup. (although they should have found a way to do it quicker to take advantage of the playoffs)

Versus is broadcasting the Sabres game in HD tonight, it is on channel 95 on Direct TV. I'm not sure if it is being shown on TW or not. I checked CBC Toronto OTA, they are not showing the game either...must be Versus exclusive.

yeah sabres is on vs hd directv.. I have twc buffalo and they dont have versus in hd so i am stuck with sd. I talked to a tech last month in person who stated vs hd in june as well as msg hd. we'll see.... hopefully sooner

who has the most hd channels in buffalo?? Is it dish, direct tv or twc. I left out fios beccause i cant get it. I was on directv.com and they do not even list versus in hd. I am wondering what other channels they left out. Anyone have a list of direct tv hd channels in buffalo

The HSBC Arena is not set up for HD. So NO game played there is EVER going to be in HD! Now where did that come from?
ANY place can be 'setup' for ANY format. All it requires is the proper equipment which is brought in anyway. A few cameras, some microwave feeds and the truck out back.

i am at union rd and william st area in cheektowaga. I have twc hd service/cable. Can i from my location get cbc hd signal to watch hockey night in canada. IF so what equipment do i need to buy? Since my hd jacks are being used by the twc box can i just use a a/b switch?

maevejr; You said you do get analog 47, correct? Then you should have no problem with analog 41. Is ch 69 watchable?

For a test, bypass that amp and put a barrel between the antenna and the feed to you main TV. Is this TiVO3 and the Samsung the only ATSC tuners you have in the house? If so feed one other other with the antenna WITHOUT that DA. Without me looking back, do you have a rotor? If not, have you tweaked your antenna for the best ch 69, if that is your weakest channel?

I came up with this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E7498817&longitude=%2D78%2E6982727&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

Yep, one degree difference between GI and Toronto. I see Rochester is closer. Ever try for them?
I also see WKBW ch 39 is off to the side, not 180 degrees behing Toronto which should help. But, since they are only 8 miles away, you will have overload issues which means get rid of that amp. You have only three signals to deal with that are on the backside of the antenna. That should be easy to tame compared to my situation with seven!

I did some searching with Google Earth and found your elevation is around 1000' (plus or minus 50'). One road off Jewitt-Holmwood is cloes to 1100'.

Report back on the reception of ch 52 & 57 (after you tweak your antenna and bypass that amp). Also, try 40.1 again.

FUCCO; A good high antenna and some luck. There is no way to know in advance unless you know someone in your area that can receive it.
It's all a crap shoot. How bad do you want it determines how far you will go to get it financially and otherwise.

anyone know of a way to get TSN canada in buffalo? I see they have a lot of hd nhl games listed.
Still amazes me that the sabres playoff games are in HD but TWC does not have them in hd. I got stuck with sd versus again!

anyone know of a way to get TSN canada in buffalo? I see they have a lot of hd nhl games listed.
Still amazes me that the sabres playoff games are in HD but TWC does not have them in hd. I got stuck with sd versus again!

Starchoice or BellExpressvu sat service

i looked on their websites they only offer service in canada

i looked on their websites they only offer service in canada


you can use a broker to act as a go-between

i looked on their websites they only offer service in canada

Use a friend or family's address in Canada.
Or PO Box place that uses real addresses.

anyone from cheektowaga sucessfully pick up ota cblt (cbc) hd signals?

maevejr; You said you do get analog 47, correct? Then you should have no problem with analog 41. Is ch 69 watchable?

For a test, bypass that amp and put a barrel between the antenna and the feed to you main TV. Is this TiVO3 and the Samsung the only ATSC tuners you have in the house? If so feed one other other with the antenna WITHOUT that DA. Without me looking back, do you have a rotor? If not, have you tweaked your antenna for the best ch 69, if that is your weakest channel?

I came up with this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E7498817&longitude=%2D78%2E6982727&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

Yep, one degree difference between GI and Toronto. I see Rochester is closer. Ever try for them?
I also see WKBW ch 39 is off to the side, not 180 degrees behing Toronto which should help. But, since they are only 8 miles away, you will have overload issues which means get rid of that amp. You have only three signals to deal with that are on the backside of the antenna. That should be easy to tame compared to my situation with seven!

I did some searching with Google Earth and found your elevation is around 1000' (plus or minus 50'). One road off Jewitt-Holmwood is cloes to 1100'.

Report back on the reception of ch 52 & 57 (after you tweak your antenna and bypass that amp). Also, try 40.1 again.


I will continue to try on 52 and 57. Last night 25-1, 41 where pristine. 47 and 69 where watchable, 69 is almost always watchable. I do have a rotor and 69 is tweaked to about 315 degrees. I figure the conditions where perfect last night. I bypassed the amp and did a re scan and no 40.1.

I figure, the one encouraging thing is that these stations will eventually increase their signal and if I can get the meager signal from CBLFT at this point my set up is in good shape for the future.

Rochester is a no go at this point. Analog 8 is watchable at 75 degrees or so. I think I got two things going bad for me there. I think Rochester is lower than I am and in between (Wyoming county) is higher.

I'll try explaining this the best I can based on what I know:

Sabres games broadcast on MSG: these are not available in HD as the games are not produced in HD. Even if the MSG-HD channel is added to your cable/sat provider, the games still wouldn't be in HD unless they are produced in HD. Remember, both the program AND the station have to be in HD (think about Deal or No Deal on 2.1 - even though 2.1 is the local NBC HD channel, Deal or No Deal isn't produced in HD). Larry Quinn has stated they are not looking to produce HD games until after 07-08 season.

Sabres games broadcast on VS: these usually are available in HD since VS brings in their own HD cameras/trucks/equipment and don't use the same cameras MSG uses. I have Directv so I can only speak for them. They do not carry VS-HD 24/7, but when there is a hockey game on VS-HD, they usually put it on channel 95 unless they have other contractual commitments to show something else on channel 95. Channel 95 for them is a catch-all sports HD channel, so sometimes there's hockey from VS-HD, sometimes baseball from YES-HD or SNY-HD, sometimes basketball from (I assume) TNT-HD.

Sabres games broadcast on NBC: pretty much the same story as VS games. Again NBC brings in their own HD camera/equipment.

Sabres games on CBC: unfortunately I don't get CBC so I don't know this situation.

I hope this helps clear things up.

I'll try explaining this the best I can based on what I know:

Sabres games broadcast on MSG: these are not available in HD as the games are not produced in HD. Even if the MSG-HD channel is added to your cable/sat provider, the games still wouldn't be in HD unless they are produced in HD. Remember, both the program AND the station have to be in HD (think about Deal or No Deal on 2.1 - even though 2.1 is the local NBC HD channel, Deal or No Deal isn't produced in HD). Larry Quinn has stated they are not looking to produce HD games until after 07-08 season.

Sabres games broadcast on VS: these usually are available in HD since VS brings in their own HD cameras/trucks/equipment and don't use the same cameras MSG uses. I have Directv so I can only speak for them. They do not carry VS-HD 24/7, but when there is a hockey game on VS-HD, they usually put it on channel 95 unless they have other contractual commitments to show something else on channel 95. Channel 95 for them is a catch-all sports HD channel, so sometimes there's hockey from VS-HD, sometimes baseball from YES-HD or SNY-HD, sometimes basketball from (I assume) TNT-HD.

Sabres games broadcast on NBC: pretty much the same story as VS games. Again NBC brings in their own HD camera/equipment.

Sabres games on CBC: unfortunately I don't get CBC so I don't know this situation.

I hope this helps clear things up.

Thanks for the summary!


Here's some info on TWC adding Versus HD nationwide. Just confirms other things that have been said here before.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/forum/comments.php?y=07&m=04&entry=entry070410-062758

I wonder if someone from TWC would be willing/able to post here about why it's supposed to take up to June to get Versus-HD up and running.

Yes, I'm the one yesterday who was willing to cut them some slack but now that I think about it... JUNE?! They've had the rights since April 9th according to that article I posted above.

Once the deal was struck with Sinclair how long did it take for them to add WUTV-HD? 3 weeks or so? Not 2+ months!

Is this a political/contractual holdup? A technical one? What?

i wouldnt cut them any slack. Not for the money they charge. MY internet and cable bill is $170 a month. I have everything turned on with dvr/hd service. That is only for the one box. I dont even have digital cable box in my bedroom (i am not givng them another $7 a month). I have had them at my residence 7 times since jan1 to due reception issues. Now after a 6 hr service call i have the sa8000hd box (downgraded from 8300) due to 8300 putting black lines on my screen. The cbc (cblt) station comes in like cr*p. There is no versus hd for hockey games. They offer msg hd in albany but not buffalo. For the amount of money they offer they do not provide very good service. Even the internet speed in rochester is 5 megs and buffalo is 3 megs.

i wouldnt cut them any slack. Not for the money they charge. MY internet and cable bill is $170 a month. I have everything turned on with dvr/hd service. That is only for the one box. I dont even have digital cable box in my bedroom (i am not givng them another $7 a month). I have had them at my residence 7 times since jan1 to due reception issues. Now after a 6 hr service call i have the sa8000hd box (downgraded from 8300) due to 8300 putting black lines on my screen. The cbc (cblt) station comes in like cr*p. There is no versus hd for hockey games. They offer msg hd in albany but not buffalo. For the amount of money they offer they do not provide very good service. Even the internet speed in rochester is 5 megs and buffalo is 3 megs.

OT... but why don't you look into Verizon DSL? I've had it for years and it's great... $29/mo for 3mb service. Great value and rock-solid service.

And maybe look into a TiVo Series3 (they're down to $499 (http://www.tivo.com/0.11.welcomeback.asp)) and replace the crappy SA box with two CableCARDs stuck into the TiVo.

my internet for the 3 megs is only $28 a month. I would like verizon to get fios running to take a good look at that. The sa8000 box does work properly but i liked the 8300 better. The problem with twc cable is u can never get a straight answer. I can ask 3 people the same question and get 3 differnet answers. Even when i send them a email asking a specific question i get a generic email response 2-3 days later. I physically talked to a twc tech person at a site who said msg and vs will be hd in two months . That was about 3-4 weeks ago now. So it should be on in june. Listening to others on this site sounds like twc is not going to put versus hd on at all. They have the rights to it so let set a date.

As of Tuesday April 24th in an e-mail reply:

Jaworowski, Steve
steve.jaworowski@twcable.com
TWC Buffalo, Vice President, Marketing & Sales

"At this time we have not immediate plans to add Versus/Golf in HD"




Just to be a pain, weekly i email the following people at TWC with my thoughts.

Witmer, Melinda
melinda.witmer@twcable.com
TWC Senior Vice President and Chief Programming Officer

Jaworowski, Steve
steve.jaworowski@twcable.com
TWC Buffalo, Vice President, Marketing & Sales

buf.buffalo.sameday
buffalo.sameday@twcable.com
TWC Buffalo Customer Service

Harp, Gordon
gordon.harp@twcable.com
Buffalo Division President, Time Warner Cable

Wolfgang, Robin
robin.wolfgang@twcable.com
Vice President, Public and Government Affairs

I wonder if someone from TWC would be willing/able to post here about why it's supposed to take up to June to get Versus-HD up and running.

Yes, I'm the one yesterday who was willing to cut them some slack but now that I think about it... JUNE?! They've had the rights since April 9th according to that article I posted above.

Once the deal was struck with Sinclair how long did it take for them to add WUTV-HD? 3 weeks or so? Not 2+ months!

Is this a political/contractual holdup? A technical one? What?

It's another in a series of stupid business decisions. Anybody here remember the difficulty in getting Sabres games on TW at the start of the season? I'm getting senile, I can't remember if it was last year or the year before, since I'm not a TW customer.

Now TW will get VSHD in June. Right about the time that the playoffs are over. I'm not surprised to hear this.

That said, the NHL isn't helping the situation any.

HDNet has done a bang-up job of carrying Sabres games in HD. They also have a significant market penetration in HD.

So who does numbnuts sign with? Versus, of course. You want a real demonstation of Bettman's stupidity, take a look at how many people could get VS in HD at the start of last season, compared to HDNet.

Meanwhile, Golisano signed a 10-year deal with MSG- and they refuse to let any satellite service carry MSG-HD.

It'll be a very long time, if ever, before you hear Rick Jeanneret in 5-channel surround with HD.

Good news for Sabres fans with TWC. Friday's game should be in HD on INHD/Mojo. Sunday's game on NBC should be in HD. Game 5, if necessary should also be on INHD/Mojo. As per the Versus website.

but fridays games is on MSG in buffalo. Therefore i assume (please correct me if i am wrong) msg will broadcast the game in sd and it will be blacked out on inhd/mojo and versus.

but fridays games is on MSG in buffalo. Therefore i assume (please correct me if i am wrong) msg will broadcast the game in sd and it will be blacked out on inhd/mojo and versus.

FYI...Versus is not exclusive for game 2, so yeah, we're stuck w/MSG.

i wouldnt cut them any slack. Not for the money they charge. MY internet and cable bill is $170 a month.

You can do better.

With Dish, I've a HD-DVR, with every single HD channel offered, every premium channel, a non-DVR HD tuner, and an SD tuner. Every game on VS HD, save blacked out games, I've been able to watch.

$115 a month. DSL is $30.

You can do better.

With Dish, I've a HD-DVR, with every single HD channel offered, every premium channel, a non-DVR HD tuner, and an SD tuner. Every game on VS HD, save blacked out games, I've been able to watch.

$115 a month. DSL is $30.


on the down side though i lose all the on demand channels. Also i have 2 other tvs hooked up to a analog line. With dish i have to pay $5 extra for each tv. Do u get the locals hd with dish network. I have to start looking into something. I dont mind paying the money but i want what i want. That is versus in hd.

has anyone picked up cblt hd in buffalo (cheektowaga) with a indoor antenna.

on the down side though i lose all the on demand channels. Also i have 2 other tvs hooked up to a analog line. With dish i have to pay $5 extra for each tv. Do u get the locals hd with dish network. I have to start looking into something. I dont mind paying the money but i want what i want. That is versus in hd.

VOD isn't something I've ever had or used; so I don't miss it. Sorry :)

Locals in HD on Dish are OTA...Direct is getting lots of mileage about putting locals on the dish, but then you get compression issues. Not that Dish isn't also having compression issues, but they have a much better HD picture than anything I've seen on Direct in the last 3 years.

With the ViP622, the signal sensitivity of the OTA tuner has improved to the point where it blows the old Sony 300 I had away. I get excellent strength from all locals, with a dinky Silver Sensor alongside my center channel speaker.

If you want to try and get CBC-HD, you're not gonna care about locals via Dish or OTA, since you'll need an antenna anyway.

has anyone picked up cblt hd in buffalo (cheektowaga) with a indoor antenna.

Not in Lancaster, for what that's worth.

FUCCO; You could have someone a block away that receives a station, but that doesn't mean you will. The same is true in reverse.

My suggestion (depending on the type of house you have, the roof and what ladders you have available); get a CM 4228, a 5' or 10' section of electrical conduit from a home center and a 5' tripod (NOT a 3') and a 100' coil of RG-6 cable. Total cost; around $130. Mount the antenna on the mast, connect the cable to the antenna, run it down to a TV (any TV is fine), tune to a weak Canadian channel (41, 47 or 69 if you can get it) and 'hunt' for a 'hot' spot along the roof line. If you find one, mount the tripod and antenna and then try for 52 & 57 and see what happens. If you get a viewable picture, then try for 20.1 & 40.1.

Of course, all of the above is under the assumption you can safely access the roof, you have a general idea what you are doing and feel comfortable being up there.

The 2nd choice; there is an installer that monitors this forum that would be glad to install an antenna for you.

thanks for the info... i am also looking at a ota hd receiever. i have twc and the sa8000hd box does not allow ota hd signals.

What TV do you have? No ATSC tuner inside??

it is a philips model 55pw9363

just has a ntsc tuner according to manual

thanks for the info... i am also looking at a ota hd receiever. i have twc and the sa8000hd box does not allow ota hd signals.

I live in the Cheek, near the airport, at 690 ft., use a rooftop yagi with pre-amp, on a 5-ft mast, 100ft. cable run to a Samsung OTA tuner. I can pick up CBC20 most of the time. Usually, I'll get momentary breakup since airport fly patterns interfere with my line of site to TO.

FUCCO; Yea, it's a older CRT RPTV. No digital tuner. Have you looked over at the reception forum?;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=25

yeah i did, the tv is only 3 years old. Anyway, more i think i might not be worth the $$$. I have twc hd so i get my locals in hd. THe only channel i would gain (and want) is cblt to get hockey night in canada in hd. I am looking at around $300 to get it and that is not guaranteed. Since i am 60 miles from cn tower it is hit or miss. Some people on this forum state they get it others stated it is hit or miss.

20.1 shouldn't be that much of a problem. 40.1 is.
$200 for a tuner plus what you would get for your set should pay for half of a new set.
Decent 50" Microdisplays can be had for around $1500- $1800.

Hi,

I have noticed some video issues on the Buffalo PBS channel and was wondering if anyone else has seen the same. I have Rogers HD and I am located in Toronto. Basically, during certain clips in a show (not usually all clips), I see about 1/2 second of sped up video, followed by 1/2 second of black. This repeats for the duration of the entire clip. Audio seems to be normal for the entire show. I haven't ever noticed these video problems on any of my other 15+ HD channels.

Has any one else noticed this problem? My tv (a Panasonic TH-50PH9UK) is about 1 month old and my HD box is a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3100HD.

Thanks!

George

Anyone with standard cable and NO CC provided STB see changes with the four digital locals Monday?
I now have three 1.1 channels on two of my three digital tuners. For some reason my HDD recorder wasn't affected.
WUTV, WGRZ & WNED (in that order) all show as channel 1.1 which makes WGRZ & WNED unrecordable (if I wanted to) on one set with the attached AV-HDD since it can't reconize the 2nd or third 1.1.

The power of US my ass......................

(I think Don had something to do with it)

Anyone with standard cable and NO CC provided STB see changes with the four digital locals Monday?
I now have three 1.1 channels on two of my three digital tuners. For some reason my HDD recorder wasn't affected.
WUTV, WGRZ & WNED (in that order) all show as channel 1.1 which makes WGRZ & WNED unrecordable (if I wanted to) on one set with the attached AV-HDD since it can't reconize the 2nd or third 1.1.

The power of US my ass......................

(I think Don had something to do with it)

As of this morning, here is what I have, not counting music channels

87 21 bridges
88 1 wgrzdt
88 2 wivbdt
89 1 wneddt
89 3 wkbwdt
106 1 wutvdt
111 4 tbs

I'm in Buffalo. Your on a different system (headend).

I'm in downtown Buffalo. Here's what my TiVo Series3 (no CC) reported this morning - which is new:

I have 12 ch 0's. The first is BridgesTV. The rest are some radio station (no pic)
I have 3 ch 1-1's. In order, WUTV, WGRZ, WNED.
WIVB is now on 1-2
WKBW is now on 1-3

My 88-x and 89-x channels are still there but no pic or sound.

In all, my TiVo picked up over 300 digital channels, many which were new but I rarely go thru them all because they're all blocked (they're the digital cable channels which won't show up without the CC).

I have 3 ch 1-1's. In order, WUTV, WGRZ, WNED.
WIVB is now on 1-2
WKBW is now on 1-3 Thanks, Chris, that's the same as me. The channel "0" designation represents the mentality of TWC!

Where is Cablescope when you need them?

just has a ntsc tuner according to manual


If anybody is looking for a good set up for OTA DTV and analog and analog and unscrambled digital cable, I picked up a Samsung 26 inch LCD TV. Its has two tuners both are dual analog and digital. I run my cable through one and receive all analog and unscrambled digital channels and through the other I receive all OTA digital and analog signals. No set top box. It works much like the dual NTSC ATSC/Qam tuners on the tivo series 3.

Where do you find the coordinates (or addresses) for the various station transmission towers? I am trying to plot this out in GoogleEarth. Right now it's kinda looking like if I draw a line from WGRZ's tower to the CN Tower in Toronto... the line goes through my house :)

The FCC database would (should) have it if you can figure out how to navigate their website.
If you click on one of my many links to 2150 in this thread, then click on that map in the right column, it will give you a larger map where the xmitter is. You would have to use the Tiger site (or some other that provides lat. & long.) to get the lat. & long. of the xmitter.

Separate subject; the boys up north are reporting 44.1 & 64.1 (Omni 1 & 2) are testing again in the past few days.

Separate subject; the boys up north are reporting 44.1 & 64.1 (Omni 1 & 2) are testing again in the past few days.

I did a scan today and nothing- I did pick up Omni 1 last year when they were testing.

Separate subject; the boys up north are reporting 44.1 & 64.1 (Omni 1 & 2) are testing again in the past few days.

Specifically OMNI 2 on 44-1, I was finding it was stronger than CFTO 40-1 When it was at full power in the fall. If you can get CBC-HD 20-1 and CTV-HD 40-1 is blipping in and out, you may have a chance at omni2-hd 44-1

Specifically OMNI 2 on 44-1, I was finding it was stronger than CFTO 40-1 When it was at full power in the fall. If you can get CBC-HD 20-1 and CTV-HD 40-1 is blipping in and out, you may have a chance at omni2-hd 44-1

Are they still testing today? Is it Omni 1 and 2? I tried yesterday- and no add'l channels came in. I'm not using a pre-amp- maybe I need one?

If you can get CBC-HD 20-1 and CTV-HD 40-1 is blipping in and out, you may have a chance at omni2-hd 44-1 Not with 43.1 where it is. :eek:

Looking for better reception, what are you guys using?

Currently I have a small bowtie ant. in my attic. It is a ChannelMaster but very similiar to Antennas Direct DB2 UHF (http://www.solidsignal.com/manu_display.asp?main_cat=03&manu=Antennas%20Direct).

I get all the locals except fot Batavia and Jamestown which is fine. I have no rotor so depending which direction I have it facing I get drop-outs on either 2/4 or 29/17. Most of the stations are @ 125-150 degrees or 325 degrees. Would going to the bigger DB8 cover this angle better?

My other choice/ guess is a ominiderictional like the
Winegard MS2002 Metrostar Amplified Omnidirectional (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=OBO-MS2002) or the Winegard GS 2200 Sensar III (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=OBO-ANWGS2200) which is bi-directional, and mount on the roof

Anyone use any of these?

Thanks
DRB

hey, i didnt even know this forum existed.

anyway, i'm in williamsville and using TWC. have an explorer hdtv box, yet the hdmi does not seem to function correctly. anyone experience the same issue with non functioning hdmi? the problem with it is that the picture is there, in HD, yet the sound goes in and out.

also, does anyone know if Verizon is going to bring FIOS to the williamsville area anytime soon? theres freakin advertisement for it all over Time Warner and i think its available in downtown buffalo, but will it finally be available in williamsville anytime soon?

drb; Those AD antennas seem to be the 'Monster Cable' of antennas. Way overpriced (unless they are US made) and probably overated.
Have you looked in the 'Reception' thread for antenna choices?;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Next, it would help to have your town listed under your username. Where are you?
For your choices, right off the bat I would say neither. Amplified antennas are a real bad idea. You can always add an amp after any antenna, but to have one 'built in' is not the way to go. That 'wing' style would be a figure eight pattern, but a better choice would be this;

http://www.wade-antenna.com/Wade/UHF.htm
The SL-4BT (not sure of price).

Can you put one on the roof?

MaXPL; Welcome to the Buffalo thread. You would be better off in the same thread I posted above.
Of course, you could also contact TWC for their customer frendly support :eek: :rolleyes:
But, in the mean time, what TV is it hooked to? Is the audio off the TV or off a audio receiver? How is audio from the analog out? Is it on all channels?

Regarding FiOS, A Verizon tech that seemed to really have a handle on what's going on told me the Main Street CO (which also includes SW Amherst & SE Tonwanda) will be getting it this year (which was a major surprise to me). If I remember him correctly I believe he said the Elmwood CO will be next(?). No idea about the suburbs other than OP & WS that are getting it now or already have it.
I'm sure Amherst will be at the top of the list.

oh thanks. i would go to the reception thread but i'm sure i'd get a bunch of response's i simply would not understand. less users here and likely more concrete responses.

in regards to the reception problem i mentioned; correct me if i'm wrong but i thought HDMI can handle the audio, so my setup was simply HDMI running from my Samsung LNS3251D to the explorer box. with component everything was great, but with HDMI the audio went in and out. i didnt mention it earlier, but i did call a TWC tech specialist( a woman :eek: ) and she said that TWC does not fully support HDMI for the explorer so thats likely why i am getting mixed results.

oh well, as long as FIOS is available come september when i'm back at school I'm good.

If you are only using the TVs' speakers, run a separate audio cable. You will never hear the difference.
What's the model number of this "Explorer" box? i did call a TWC tech specialist( a woman ) Is that a double oxymoron?

edit

Looking for better reception, what are you guys using?

Currently I have a small bowtie ant. in my attic. It is a ChannelMaster but very similiar to Antennas Direct DB2 UHF (http://www.solidsignal.com/manu_display.asp?main_cat=03&manu=Antennas%20Direct).

I get all the locals except fot Batavia and Jamestown which is fine. I have no rotor so depending which direction I have it facing I get drop-outs on either 2/4 or 29/17. Most of the stations are @ 125-150 degrees or 325 degrees. Would going to the bigger DB8 cover this angle better?

My other choice/ guess is a ominiderictional like the
Winegard MS2002 Metrostar Amplified Omnidirectional (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=OBO-MS2002) or the Winegard GS 2200 Sensar III (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=OBO-ANWGS2200) which is bi-directional, and mount on the roof

Anyone use any of these?

Thanks
DRB

I use the Wineguard MS 2000, which I think is the same as the 2002 but comes with more cable. I get very good reception with it in my attic and a 100 foot rum to the basement tv (Samsung SIR-T151 tuner). I am in Orchard Park, with WGRZ, WIVB and WKBW to the south (and very close), and WNED and WUTV to the north. I also get WNLO and WNYO

I held my breath when I got the antenna because I didn't know if it would work, but I didn't want a rotor. So from my location, a good report. By the way, I can get decent reception from a set top antenna in my family room, so I may be in a good spot for reception.

Edit: I just checked Google Earth, and the elevation at my house is 850 feet

If anybody is looking for a good set up for OTA DTV and analog and analog and unscrambled digital cable, I picked up a Samsung 26 inch LCD TV. Its has two tuners both are dual analog and digital. I run my cable through one and receive all analog and unscrambled digital channels and through the other I receive all OTA digital and analog signals. No set top box. It works much like the dual NTSC ATSC/Qam tuners on the tivo series 3.

what model number tv?

I just stumbled across this;
http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=45

from this thread;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=841787

Don & Clint, let me know what you think.

I use the Wineguard MS 2000, which I think is the same as the 2002 but comes with more cable. I get very good reception with it in my attic and a 100 foot rum to the basement tv

That is the difference. plus they look a little different but the specs are the same.

Your set-up would be the excat same as mine almost. I live in Cheektowaga and I will try attic mount first and then on the roof if that don't work.

Thanks
DRB

Good Luck!

CBC-HD's 3rd Round Schedule:

Thurs., May 10 OTT - BUF [g1] full net 7 pm
Sat., May 12 Saturday Night
OTT - BUF [g2] full net 7:30 pm
Sun., May 13 ANA - DET [g2] full net
7:30 pm
Mon., May 14 BUF - OTT [g3] full net
7 pm
Wed., May 16 BUF - OTT [g4] full net
7 pm
Thurs., May 17 DET - ANA [g4] full net
9 pm
Sat., May 19 OTT - BUF [g5*] full net 2 pm
Mon., May 21 BUF - OTT [g6*] full net 7 pm
Tues., May 22 DET - ANA [g6*] full net 9 pm
Wed., May 23 OTT - BUF [g7*] full net 7 pm

**All games broadcasted in High Definition

In short, anyone in Buffalo can now watch 100% of the Sabres playoffs games from here on to the Stanley Cup, in High Definition off-air. 20-1 is where it is at.

If you don't get CBC-HD on 20-1, this would be a very good time to take advantage, and pick yourself up a CM4228 and aim it at the CN Tower, downtown Toronto.

videobruce made me post here. :)

Just jumping in from Sanborn.... Niagara County... north of Buffalo. (Lots of folks don't know where Sanborn is... sorry.... it's why we moved here.. hehehe)

I just hoisted a CM4228 up on a 20' mast. Mast runs up the gable end of my house from the ground. I don't have a rotor and actually prefer to keep it that way. At least for now. (Although I am getting Canadian stations off the backside... might get a rotor OR try removing the reflector screen on the CM4228) I'm shooting through 60' trees that are only about 25 feet from the antenna, but still getting the towers down south. They're about 37 miles from me. The Grand Island towers are easy from here at about 7.5 miles. The trees are apparently going to give me grief on windy days. Such is life. I might try the antenna at the MIDDLE of my house instead of the south gable. I'd only use a 10' mast section there. I would gain about a foot and a half in height, but I'd be 25 feet farther away from the trees. Not sure that will help but I may try it later.

Equipment:
Panasonic TH42PX60U, CM4228 antenna, DishNetwork (non-HD) with dual tuner DVR in living room and single tuner DVR in bedroom, Sony STR-DE685 AV receiver, Panasonic DMR-ES15S DVD recorder.

videobruce made me post here.About time!
Ok, tell us how well 44.1, 52.1, 53.1, 64.1 & 66.1 comes in?

(The 8th column in the chart is height in meters and the 9th column is ERP);

I'll have to take a look at those. When I scanned channels I have the antenna "looking" at about 185 degrees. This is almost BETWEEN the southern towers and grand island, but it's working. I picked up MANY canadian stations, but removed them because they were either analog and not coming in well, or too weak to maintain a lock off the back side of the antenna. If I take the reflector screen off the CM4228 it only shortens the front lobe a little but it gives me a back lobe almost a mirror of the front.

wow... those are pretty low power compared to what I'm pulling from the south. If I get a chance I'll take a look first at whether or not I can get them off the back side as-is and then I'll go up and spin the antenna around and see if I get them if I aim at them.

dude, you need to aim that thing straight at the CN Tower and do a scan. Who cares about the analog channels. And everyone is able to lock the Buffalo HD locals, they are so close.

It's all about the Toronto digitals, thats what everyone in Buffalo can't seem to get, i'd lol if you locked in city-dt. City-HD is one of the most valuable HD channels in the area, they show lots of stuff you don't see on regular antenna TV, ie HD News, about 3 HD Movies per week, Music Videos, cable shows like Battlestar Galatica, .....etc stuff like that

If you get all the Toronto digitals, then your going to want to get a rotor, because then you'll be the most envied OTA'er in Buffalo, everyone else wants those Toronto digitals, and only you will have them.

I guessed at your location;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?act=out&outfact=2&map.x=211&map.y=180&lat=43.1431503&lon=-78.8871460&wid=0.030&ht=0.030&iht=359&iwd=422&&on=CITIES&on=statehwy&on=street_names&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=43.17080&mlon=-78.83019&msym=redpin&mlabel=Cambria__NY&murl=&conf=mapnew.con

and came up with this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=43%2E1432152&longitude=%2D78%2E8873291&magnetic_north=9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

(There isn't a way to save a 'TV Fool' search).

You are almost equal distance between Toronto and the Boston Hills, though signal wise, your much closer to Toronto. Have you tried Rochester??
(You really should consider a rotor.)

yardbird, I was just looking at your location, your only 42 miles from the Toronto transmitters!!

exact same distance as me, I'm pulling in all Toronto digitals with a preamp'd 4228. You should be able to aim your CM4228 at Toronto and still get most of the Buffalo digitals, especially grand island, because they are so close. And then your could rotate your antenna over to Rochester and get them with ease as well.


I would say you are in THE prime location in all of Southern Ontario, Western New York for OTA. You have three major cities within your reach. Get that antenna high, high as possible, and definitely get a rotor on it.

I would say you are in THE prime location in all of Southern Ontario, Western New York for OTA.Agreed.
30 miles across the lake and 10 miles inland on flat land is a wet dream. The only problem; is 35 degrees enough to drop the overload from GI when you are pointed SE?

yardbird, I was just looking at your location, your only 42 miles from the Toronto transmitters!!

exact same distance as me, I'm pulling in all Toronto digitals with a preamp'd 4228. You should be able to aim your CM4228 at Toronto and still get most of the Buffalo digitals, especially grand island, because they are so close. And then your could rotate your antenna over to Rochester and get them with ease as well.


I would say you are in THE prime location in all of Southern Ontario, Western New York for OTA. You have three major cities within your reach. Get that antenna high, high as possible, and definitely get a rotor on it.

HAHahahaha... yeah... but my wife is still looking at me like I'm a mad scientist or something. "Why are you doing this? The satellite works fine."

1.) I'm afraid if I preamp it I'd blow my grand island channels.
2.) If I stick a rotor on it, it will complicate things for my family. My kids never SAW an antenna. We've always had either cable or (the last several years) satellite. You don't have to aim anything. You just change channels.

The antenna in its current location at the south gable end of my house, is about 8 feet above the peak. When you approach the house from the street, the antenna is nearly invisible against a background of trees.

If I move it 25 feet farther away from the trees it would be just about smack in the middle of my house. There's another roof section there (about 4 or 5 feet higher than the lower peak) so I'd have to remove a 10' section of mast, attach the mast to THAT gable, but then the bottom of the mast would have to sit in.... something. I can't just set the mast on the ridge vent of that lower peak. The eaves are 3 feet so a wall mount won't work. I need some kind of saddle for the peak that will bridge OVER the ridge vent. OR I guess I could put a small tripod there , but then we're talking about penetrating the roof to hold it down. I am not real fond of making holes in a perfectly good roof! :) (yeah yeah I know... it's done all the time).

So let's see... more RG6, a rotor, a tripod (or something), and then try and convince the wife that I need all this stuff. She's not real understanding right now. And if da momma ain't happy.... ain't NOBODY happy. So I will proceed with due caution :)

Great news for the Sabres/Sens Series. TW is adding VERSUS HD!!! temporarily atleast

http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2007/05/07/daily22.html?jst=b_ln_hl

ABSOULETLY AMAZING Not even 2 minutes ago i received this in my emai...

hank you for using Time Warner Cable Online Customer Support.

In Buffalo, we are actively upgrading our network so that we can increase capacity of high–definition channels. Additional HD channels will be added as that capacity increases. Customers can watch many of the playoff games on NBC-HD which Time Warner Cable is pleased to offer as a part of the Digital Free HD Tier.

If you have any further concerns please feel free to email us at your convenience or you can contact our 24 hour Customer Care Center at 1- 866-668 -6044 .

Thank you,

David
Time Warner Cable Customer Support

From: [mailto:FUCCO@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:01 AM
To: buf.buffalo.sameday
Subject: NHL HD

What channel with the nhl playoffs be on in HD. All the remaining games will be in HD. I head the confernce finals and stanley cup final will be on versus and cbc. Will TWC be braodcasting these in HD?

Great news for the Sabres/Sens Series. TW is adding VERSUS HD!!! temporarily atleast

http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2007/05/07/daily22.html?jst=b_ln_hl

About time!

If anyone finds this on unencrypted QAM, please post here the channel number.

About time!
Ok, tell us how well 44.1, 52.1, 53.1, 64.1 & 66.1 comes in?

(The 8th column in the chart is height in meters and the 9th column is ERP);

OK without turning the antenna (still pointed about 185 degrees) I rescanned and got channels 5,9,25,41,47,55.

If it don't get dark on me here I'm going to try and turn it towards Toronto and rescan.

Ok ... *huff puff* running up and down a ladder at 55 ain't no fun :)
When turned towards Toronto I picked up 5.1. I don't know what that ACTUAL is but it mapped as 5.1. I didn't appear to have grabbed any digitals in the 60s. My TV doesn't tell me what teh actual channels are. It auto maps them. I get lots of analog stations from Toronto when I do this. I am surprised at how well this antenna does on vhf-low. I get channel 5 from Toronto VERY clearly. Probably better than I get channel 2 here when I'm aimed right at it. So .... I'll have to try this again when I'm not fighting the sun setting

ok... 5.1 is 20.1 CBC CBLT5. That came in pretty nice. Didn't have time to do a signal strength check though. At 38kW? wow... but the Omni stations are only 15kW and CityTV is 1.5? jeeesh. This might be tough :)

Turning the antenna towards Toronto knocked the hell out of some of my southern Buffalo stations. Notably 2 and 49.

Next experiment when weather and time permits, will be to turn it towards Toronto AND remove the reflector screen. That ought to give me a big lobe out the back side and give me back the south-of-Buffalo towers. Maybe... :) Then again... maybe it's be awful. :)

I'm also finding that if I aim it right at the south towers, I lose a little from Grand Island (which is so close that almost seems impossible.... 7 miles.... c'mon I can SEE the darn towers)

Well I just took my Winegard PR 9032 out of my attic & mounted it on a 15 foot mast on my roof hoping to increase the signal on 5.1. Now remember, I was able to get it from my attic. So I got it mounted, pointed directly at the CN Tower, ran in the house, and nothing. No signal at all! I triple checked all connections, all good. Moved the antenna all over the place. Analog Canadians come in great, but no digital. Any ideas? My guess is that those towers on Gilligan's Island are overpowering my setup. If that's the case, is there anything I can do?

I am re-thinking my ant. set-up. I live in Cheektowaga, NY and about 62 miles from Toronto satations. They are at 318 degress. What ant. would/could anyone sugguest?

Thanks
DRB

"Why are you doing this? The satellite works fine." 1. Because they are there. Why do people climb mountains?

2. No, the satellite doesn't work fine;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_lite
http://www.tvpredictions.com/directvlawsuit092006.htm
......and people are actually paying for that. I'm afraid if I preamp it I'd blow my grand island channels. It wouldn'r be the GI stations that you would "blow", it would be all the weak channels because of overload. You don't want a pre-amp, you would want a amp to mount indoors (where you can get at it) and one that has a very high input rating (able to handle a broader range of signals). Pre-amps can't. If I stick a rotor on it, it will complicate things for my family. My kids never SAW an antenna. Sheesh! Well, there is no time better than the present to introduce them to 1960s' technology.

yardbird; It would make things less confusing if you would use the term '5.1 or 20.1' instead of just ch. 5. That way everyone knows your talking about the digital signal, not the analog. I assume this is the case, but the mention of a number of analog numbers opens up room for confusion.

Regarding position on the roof for the antenna. First I would strive for the location that gives you the shortest run to the main TV unless you find a 'hotspot' for a station you are having a problem with. The station I really would like is CITY TV ch 53.1. They are very low power and aimed north which makes reception where you are probably impossible (and beyond impossible where I am), but that is only from what I know and have read.

RF traveling across water is a wonderful thing.

Great news for the Sabres/Sens Series. TW is adding VERSUS HD!!! temporarily atleast Or, they could just re-braodcast CBC in HD. :eek:

There is another site (of all things, one for remote controls) that has a really nice list for area stations;
http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html

yardbird; before you dismantle your antenna, try for the weakest station you can find. Analog is actually better since you can see the signal changes where as with digital you can't. Those % scales within the TVs' menu really are sort of. useless. Off the top of my head analog 57 should be the weakest. Peak antenna for that. Then try for 24.1, 44.1 64.1 & 66.1 (they all are suppose to be on the air). If any of them come in, then use that graph on your TV (assuming it has this) and tweak the weakest for the highest number.
Then try for 53.1 (really a longshot).

What you really need is a SLM at the antenna and 'walk the peak' back and forth and find a 'hot spot' for the weakest station.

(I'm really surprised that Rich hasn't chimmed in by now.................)

dbr; I replied to your other post;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10469153&&#post10469153

Where are you? Cheektowaga is a large town.

This may or may not help;
http://www.highdefforum.com/showpost.php?p=11962&postcount=1

videobruce,

yeah when I listed the channels from Toronto (5,9,25,41,47,55) those WERE analog. It looks like 20.1 (mapped as 5.1) is the only digital I get easily just by turning the antenna towards Toronto.

The antenna in its current location is the shortest cable run to the TV. The TV is inside and the antenna is outside that same wall. :) If I move the antenna to the center of my house it will add .... oh.... 25 to 40 feet of cable I would think.

I bought all my stuff from Rich! :) He's probably sick of hearing from me for a while. Terrific guy. I want his 80' telescoping tower but I don't think he'd part with it.

You don't need that kind of height where you are. BTW, ch. 55 analog is west of you.
Then I assume the tripod is already mounted? Just don't dissemble the antenna.

just a note, when trying to pick up Toronto Stations, these are what I'd go for (in order) the omni's are on and off, testing, they are currently not on the air at all as of right now.

CBC 20-1 (maps to 5.1, 39kW)
CTV 40-1 (9.1, 17kW)
CBCF - 24-1 (25.1, 2.5kW)
SUNTV - 66.1 (2.5kW)
SUNTV Hamilton 15.1 (4.5kW) (aim west towards Hamilton, ON)

and if your feelin lucky, City-dt 53-1 (57.1 1.2kW, directional to north/west)

Supposely Rich from Lockport CAN get city-dt with his massive tower. The good thing about city-dt is that it is VERY high on the CN Tower, almost 1700feet, which is very high, in contrast, WNLO, WNED are around 1000feet, the Rochester towers are only 300-400feet.

The good thing about city-dt is that it is VERY high on the CN Tower But, what good is it shooting NW?? All that to protect a station that isn't on the air and possible won't be. :(

I was going to add, try for 24.1. (The fact it is French, really makes it of little or no value here, but it is low power).

Ya i have no clue why PAX ever tried to get an application on 53 at 500kW, obviously that's going to kill the city-dt signal regardless of whether it's directional, but ya i'd expect a power increase from city in the next few years whats things get moving in the Canadian Transition

ya theres no need to actually watch 24.1, but knowing whether you can receive it or not is significant, and helps you determine how good your reception is. Although the good thing about 24.1 is that there is almost always something in HD on, and it looks beautiful, 24.1 has some of the nicest HD i've seen.

You don't need that kind of height where you are. BTW, ch. 55 analog is west of you.
Then I assume the tripod is already mounted? Just don't dissemble the antenna.

No I don't have a tripod. The antenna is on a 20' mast that goes from the ground, up past the peak on the south gable end of my house. The center of the antenna itself is about 7 feet higher than the peak ( tri-level house... this is the "one story" section I am referring to).

I'm getting the Golf Channel in unencrypted QAM on channel 1-2. Could this be Versus HD?

Edit: Yep, I'm seeing the VS logo on 1-2 now! Let's hope it stays that way!

Looks like it is VERSUS HD. Channel 708 is called VSHD on the cable card and seems to be showing Versus programming in 1080i. Finally NHL in HD, GAME ON!

hopefully they will leave it on

I'm getting the Golf Channel in unencrypted QAM on channel 1-2. Could this be Versus HD?

Edit: Yep, I'm seeing the VS logo on 1-2 now! Let's hope it stays that way!
BTW...What's the RF channel? I couldn't find it on mine STB ;)

Thx.

BTW...What's the RF channel? I couldn't find it on mine STB ;)

Thx.
ahhh... I just saw that. MyTV was taken away and replaced by VS. I thought they added a new channel. :)

i am glad twc go vshd on 708 but i heard it is just temp through playoffs. They need to just leave it on! They have the rights to broadcast it and will broadcast it so why on earth shut it off at the end of the playoffs?

i am glad twc go vshd on 708 but i heard it is just temp through playoffs. They need to just leave it on! They have the rights to broadcast it and will broadcast it so why on earth shut it off at the end of the playoffs?


The only reason I would want that channel is for some golf on Thursdays and Fridays. Aside from that I agree with the local rep who said in the paper a few weeks back theres no programming worth the bandwidth on that station.

fair enough then replace it with something else. History channeld hd would be nice or msg HD

I would love to see more HD content. I watch MSG now mainly for hockey. Before the hockey season I don't think I watched it more than a handful of times (if that). I never HEARD of Versus before hockey season (can you tell I don't watch lots of sports?) I watch Sabres hockey and Bills football....unless they suck...then I mow the lawn... but I'm not what you'd call a big sports person.

I am waiting for more HD content before upgrading my satellite service. I wish they'd get rid of some of the darn music channels and give me more meaningful content.

And is it CBLT in Toronto that's carrying the Sabres vs Senators? If so I'll just aim at the CNN tower :)

yeah cblt aka cbc hockey night in canada channel has the game. I wish i could pick it up. I am in s cheektowaga and from what i heard i can get it ota

Hmmm... ok that's 20.1 I believe and if so I had a really good lock on that the other day when I was up there messing around. And since I'm the only one in the family even interested in what the antenna can do, I might just aim it at Toronto and leave it there for the duration of the series :) (no rotor)

Looks like it is VERSUS HD. Channel 708 is called VSHD on the cable card and seems to be showing Versus programming in 1080i. Finally NHL in HD, GAME ON!
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but VS hasn't been broadcasting any hockey playoffs in HD on Thursday's or Friday's since they show golf in HD on those 2 days of the week. At least that's how it's been on D* during the playoffs. Not sure how it will be on cable. Just want to prepare everyone in case the game's not in HD tonight.

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but VS hasn't been broadcasting any hockey playoffs in HD on Thursday's or Friday's since they show golf in HD on those 2 days of the week. At least that's how it's been on D* during the playoffs. Not sure how it will be on cable. Just want to prepare everyone in case the game's not in HD tonight.

For TWC customers with digital boxes, the game may be shown on INHD/MOJO tonight . For those tuning in via QAM tuners, not sure what to expect.

Now, this still means that DBS customers get screwed by VS when they move an HD game feed over to INHD/MOJO

p.s Hey NHL, listen up, Versus Sucks!!!!!!

What is MOJO?

What is MOJO?

New name for INHD

I think it is channel 793 on TWC in the Western NY area

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but VS hasn't been broadcasting any hockey playoffs in HD on Thursday's or Friday's since they show golf in HD on those 2 days of the week. At least that's how it's been on D* during the playoffs. Not sure how it will be on cable. Just want to prepare everyone in case the game's not in HD tonight.

Same for Dish Network. Ya wanna know what would get people to drop satellite for TW? Start showing HNIC on a CBC-HD channel.

Bad enough the image isn't HD.

Versus sucks ass.

The stupid idiot of a cameraman has no idea how to set brightness. The overlay graphics are perfectly illuminated, the whole damn rink is totally washed out.

Anybody seen the puck? Me neither.

Those of you with TWC in Western NY, is the game on in HD on INHD/MOJO , channel 793 or something? I know VS HD is showing golf

Is anyone's HD feed on MOJO breaking up once in a while or is it just my weak cable connection?

Is anyone's HD feed on MOJO breaking up once in a while or is it just my weak cable connection?

While rock-stable via Dish Network, it was a lousy picture in the first, looked like an overexposed closeup of milk. The overlays looked fine, which tells me that the cameraman and director are both morons.

Questions:

1. Did TW actually show the game in HD? Did CBC do this in HD? Or, was it just an upscaled SD feed?
2. Will WGR550 ever sync their broadcast? It was even further out tonight.


And commentator- It's not a cage. It's not a biscuit either. The team with game seven at home has the home ice advantage- and no matter how many times you say Buffalo lost it tonight, you'll be just as stupid saying it the thirty-seventh time.

It looked like an HD feed on TWC in the city of Buffalo. Some of the camera angles looked upscaled though, but in 16:9. WGR was pretty close by about 1/2 way through the first if I remember correctly. RJ was a little behind the HD feed on MOJO. Radio a little behind video isn't so bad.

It looked like an HD feed on TWC in the city of Buffalo. Some of the camera angles looked upscaled though, but in 16:9. WGR was pretty close by about 1/2 way through the first if I remember correctly. RJ was a little behind the HD feed on MOJO. Radio a little behind video isn't so bad.

How was the white level during the first period? If it was OK, you definitely weren't watching the VS feed.

Radio was once behind w/NBC- that Easter game against the Flyers...with a DVR, that is easily fixed...but usually it's ahead 5-10 seconds.

Last night on VS, they were showing the players coming onto the ice, while WGR had Doug Allen about halfway through the Star Spangled Banner...not what I'd call 10 seconds there :)

I was going to record VSHD last night for the game but I was already recording 2 other things so I didn't.

Am I reading correctly that VSHD didn't even SHOW the game? So TW finally added the channel and then they don't even show the program?!?!

The stupid idiot of a cameraman has no idea how to set brightness. Cameramen have NO handle on levels. Can't blame them. Levels can be handled at more than one stage in the xmission chain, but not there. Stand alone operation as in ENG & EFP iris control is under the operators control, but in a multi camera enviroment, it's out of his hands.
Whichever channel that HD broadcast was on , it wasn't 'in the clear'.

Thanks goodness for that 50 year old invention; an outdoor antenna. :)

Cameramen have NO handle on levels. Can't blame them. Levels can be handled at more than one stage in the xmission chain, but not there. Stand alone operation as in ENG & EFP iris control is under the operators control, but in a multi camera enviroment, it's out of his hands.
Whichever channel that HD broadcast was on , it wasn't 'in the clear'.

Thanks goodness for that 50 year old invention; an outdoor antenna. :)

Forgive me for flogging a dead horse :)

Since the overlays were fine, where could this have happened? Just curious since I just bought an SLR and spending lots of time getting exposures dialed in ;)

Was it just one camera, or the whole broadcast? If it was one camera, then the settings on the CCU were incorrect. If it was the whole broadcast it could be a half a dozen places. Anywhere where someone had a handle on a level.

BTW, none of this necessarly has to do with iris levels.

I'm sure it's just coincidence, but I'm starting to wonder about CBC 20.1. The last 3 times I wanted to watch a playoff game (last night included), the signal was strong enough to produce a stable picture right up to just about the top of the hour of a game. Then, the signal drops dramatically to the point where I can't hone in.

Was it just one camera, or the whole broadcast? If it was one camera, then the settings on the CCU were incorrect. If it was the whole broadcast it could be a half a dozen places. Anywhere where someone had a handle on a level.

BTW, none of this necessarly has to do with iris levels.

One camera- the closeups were fine. It was the camera showing the right side of the rink in the 'normal' view.

I'm sure it's just coincidence, but I'm starting to wonder about CBC 20.1. The last 3 times I wanted to watch a playoff game (last night included), the signal was strong enough to produce a stable picture right up to just about the top of the hour of a game. Then, the signal drops dramatically to the point where I can't hone in.


Lately, (last 2 weeks) I get no signal at all on CBC 20.1. I think it might have something to do with the leaves growing on the trees. But probable not, I just don't know.

This explains the SD/HD conundrum. Versus sucks even more.

Interesting that the article doesn't mention Dish not showing it.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/mojo051107.htm

Washington, D.C. (May 11, 2007) -- Couldn't find last night's high-def broadcast of game one of the Ottawa-Buffalo NHL playoff series?

Well, although the game was originally scheduled to be broadcast by Versus HD, it was moved to MOJO, the High-Definition channel owned by several cable operators. (Comcast, a partner in MOJO, owns the Versus channel.)

For cable viewers who have both Versus and MOJO, the move was not a disaster, assuming you scanned your dial to find the game. (Cable on-screen guides earlier this week had the game on Versus HD; and as late as yesterday, Versus' web site said the game would be on Versus HD, although the channel aired a golf program instead.)

However, DIRECTV viewers were not so lucky. The satcaster has the rights to carry Versus' high-def broadcasts of NHL action, but last night's move to MOJO apparently created technical difficulties that blocked DIRECTV from showing the game in high-def.

"We're doing our best to schedule all of the HD NHL games from Versus," DIRECTV spokesman Robert Mercer told TVPredictions.com. "In this instance, because it was not available by satellite, and combined with timing and our own technical constraints, we were not able to offer the (Ottawa-Buffalo) game."

Ellen Cooper, a spokeswoman for MOJO, said her network had planned to show some NHL playoff games in high-def "for some time." She said there was no "conspiracy" to deny DIRECTV an opportunity to broadcast games in high-def.

MOJO will also broadcast tonight's playoff game between Detroit and Anaheim, and other games in the coming weeks. It's unclear if they will be shown in high-def on DIRECTV.

I was able to receive the CBC-HD feed OTA very well last night. I'm in Orchard Park.

I have DirecTv and there will be no hockey games in HD on thursday or friday nights from Versus. It's been that way all throughout the playoffs, and the Versus website confirms that. The only thing D* has access to is the Versus/Golf HD sat feed. Anything exclusively on MOJO isn't available to D*. Fortunately for Sabres or Sens fans with D* or TWC, the rest of the series will be available to us in HD via Versus or NBC.

Saturday night's game is in the D* guide on the VS HD channel (channel 94) as of this morning.

For all you Time Warner people in WNY here

ALL remaining games will be on VSHD EXCEPT!! on 5/19 NBC game

708 on your set top box. 1.2 on qam

Is WGRZ-HD dead around 3 pm, Sunday? Usually it's reliable.

Is WGRZ-HD dead around 3 pm, Sunday? Usually it's reliable.
I had to adjust the antenna to get WGRZ yesterday afternoon. Been coming in fine since then. I chalked it up to more leaves on the trees and the wind blowing them around.

708 on your set top box. 1.2 on qam 708 on their STB and 1.2 on some tuners and 106.1 on others.

colossus; Unless they had some lame setup where as there was no remote CCUs' for that camera, it sould of been a operator error, but that would of been corrected by whomever was in the control room. It might of just been a non-terminated line somewhere (very easy to do).

Anyone loose CBC for a few minutes just before the end of the 1st overtime??

708 on their STB and 1.2 on some tuners and 94.1 on others. The 94s' are a bunch of useless preview channels that they must of dropped for this feed though they are on durning the day.

I'm picking it up on 106.2 - during the rescan I started picking up copies of other analog channels on 108

I lost CBC HD right near the end of the first OT of the Sabres agme. Came back on before the beginning of the 2nd OT. Pretty weird as the analog version was still on. Thought my stb crapped out at first, but something definetly happened at CBC.
Bernie

ya that was confirmed as a glitch on the system, CBC-HD went down nationwide on satellite and cable as well, analog remained fine the whole time tho

I was getting this last year with a cheap antenna and I went out and got a
fringe yagi 100" long
A preamp and a rotor but good not get cbc. I gave up on it but reading up on how everyone else is getting it I'm wondering what I am doing wrong. I have it on the roof of a two story house and the cabling is about 75 feet(I could shorten this if I rerun the cable) if this will help...ANy ideas, I would really like cbc

What preamp??
Take the preamp out of the mix and report back.

the whole damn rink is totally washed out. Anybody seen the puck? Me neither.
Speaking of washed out hockey games, what on earth does channel 7 do to their hockey highlights? Sometimes it's so bright you can't see any of the lines on the ice. You can barely see the players - it looks like the fog game! Other times the highlights are fine on 7. I don't get it. The live game is always fine on MSG or VS, so it's definitely a 7 issue. Are they trying to hide some of the sponsor's names painted on the ice or something. Makes me very thankful actual games aren't on 7.

Bad cable TV feed.

But why does it only happen with some of the channel 7 hockey highlights? And why have I never seen a problem with 2 or 4's hockey highlights?

Maybe that what happens when the parent company is in chapter 11 (or is it 7)?

anyone know the roll out schedule for verizon fios for WNY. (perferbly south cheektowaga area) ???

Strong rumor is Amherst/Williamsville is next, very soon. Then following that, downtown. Look back a page or two, videobruce had some info about which central office downtown would come first (I just remember the Elmwood one would be second).

Of course that only means FiOS Internet. Verizon has no rights to sell TV anywhere 'round here yet. And probably won't for awhile barring any miracles.

Although they'd never admit to it, Verizon typically hits wealthier areas first. (which makes business sense but makes them look bad and hurts them when trying to receive approval for TV franchise rights)

a friend of mine told me last night they wired his area around french road and transit at the lancaster/west seneca line

They've had service in Hamburg, OP and West Seneca for a bit now. Your friend is probably just part of what they're already doing / expanding there; not a "new" area for them, really.

There have been a swarm of Verizon Trucks in the Kensington/Eggert/Harlem area working towards Main St in the past few weeks. I have a new box and a spool of wire hanging on my pole. Praying its Fios.

It's the Main St. CO;
North Buffalo, SE Tonwanda & SW Amherst (not Williamsville).

The 45 minute conversation I had with that Verizon repairman deemed me posting that a month ago (IOWs' he impressed me enough to believe he knew what he was talking about). Verizon wants state wide charter franchise (if that is what it is called) to eliminate all the separate and different local franchises. Elmowwd was mentioned, but I don't remember exactly what was said.

2PM saturday CBC 20.1

does anyone else cblt (c 17) on twc buffalo look like sh**. I keep getting static lines through the channel

Of course Verizon WANTS state-wide franchise rights :)

They've fought like hell to get the small communities they got in the beginning. They're now going down a new road... fight the longer battle for state-wide rights.

There has always been issues with channel five as long as I remember. Back in the late 70s', I was told it was issue with the power project which I really didn't buy. Low band channels are very prone to impulse type noise (what you are seeing). The cable feed has always had a problem.

My big beef with this FiOS is, if you sign up, all the existing copper is gone (the telco drop is removed). If you want to revert back to copper, either with them or another carrier, you have to pay to put your drop back up.

My big beef with this FiOS is, if you sign up, all the existing copper is gone (the telco drop is removed). If you want to revert back to copper, either with them or another carrier, you have to pay to put your drop back up.

It is my understanding that you can ask them to leave the telco drop.

I was told by them it gets removed. I have also heard it elsewhere, including customers.
Maybe it's different is some places.

For you guys in Western New York having Trouble with CBLT-dt.Our regulator has announced an analog shutdown of August 2011.At which time it will be possible for major power increases for the digital signals from the CN tower if the stations desire to.

Does directv offer cbs in hdtv. I see on their website they now offer wgrz, fox, and abc in buffalo

WUTV did not 'hit' the HD switch last night.

Should we call tonight before the SF of 24?

Oh-oh.
Hello Don.

Does directv offer cbs in hdtv. I see on their website they now offer wgrz, fox, and abc in buffalo
No. WIVB's parent company LIN Broadcasting will not allow D* to retransmit any of their stations' HD signals. This affects many cities across the country.

analog shutdown of August 2011.At which time it will be possible for major power increases for the digital signals from the CN tower if the stations desire to.
Alright! Only 4 years and 3 months until I can get CBC with my antenna. :D

I was told by them it gets removed. I have also heard it elsewhere, including customers.
Maybe it's different is some places.

Agreed. My parents were told it was not an option to leave the copper. This is in OP a few months ago.

when acsessing ota hd channels via a box such as directv's does it list the ota hd channels via on screen guide with the rest of the dish's programming?

when acsessing ota hd channels via a box such as directv's does it list the ota hd channels via on screen guide with the rest of the dish's programming?

It did when I had Direct but back then, you had to get the locals via sat antenna.

Indiana627; There is NO reason why you shouldn't be able to get CBC, especially where you live. 40.1 shouldn't be a huge problem either. AFAIC, you might even have a shot at 53.1 (though a long one).

I had the pleasure to talk to another Verizon service tech and I asked him about the FiOS situation. Main St. will be upgraded throughout the whole service area of that CO. They started in Cheektowaga around Harlem Ave. and are working back. I did ask about Elmwood and he said no plans as of yet. Just the West Seneca CO (Union Rd. I believe) and Main St. as of now.
I also asked about removing the existing copper and he confirmed, while Verizon was removing copper originally, they now leave it intact, probably because of the time involved to remove it wasn't worth it to them and possibly because of too many complaints (just an educated guess on that one).
Lastly, Verizon still doesn't have any approval for TV carriage in NYS yet.

Good news about the copper.

They do have approval for TV carriage in some parts of Long Island.

http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/ny/

when acsessing ota hd channels via a box such as directv's does it list the ota hd channels via on screen guide with the rest of the dish's programming?
I have the Direct HR10-250 with an antenna hooked up for OTA HD. It puts the OTA HD channels seamlessly into the onscreen guide with the satellite channels. For example:

2 (sat)
2.1 (ant)
2.2 (ant)
4 (sat)
4.1 (ant)
etc...

I believe this is how their newer H20 and HR20 receivers work too, but not sure. I've never seen a Dish on screen guide, so I can't comment.

Indiana627; There is NO reason why you shouldn't be able to get CBC, especially where you live. 40.1 shouldn't be a huge problem either. AFAIC, you might even have a shot at 53.1 (though a long one).
One reason: WIFE. :D

I only have the Silver Sensor indoor antenna sitting on top of my entertainment center. Sometimes while checking signal strengths I'll tune to 20.1 and I'll get a signal in the 20s, but nothing locks on (I also get some signal at 5.1 too - is this normal?). I'm sure if I had an outdoor or even attic mounted antenna, I could get some Canadian channels.

I only have the Silver Sensor indoor antenna sitting on top of my entertainment center. Sometimes while checking signal strengths I'll tune to 20.1 and I'll get a signal in the 20s, but nothing locks on (I also get some signal at 5.1 too - is this normal?). I'm sure if I had an outdoor or even attic mounted antenna, I could get some Canadian channels.

If you are getting signal indoors on 20-1 with an outdoor antenna you will get 20-1, 24-1, 40-1, 53-1 (maybe) and 66-1.

Indiana627,

I'm in Sanborn, right across 31 from NCCC. I put a CM4228 up and if I spin it around to point at Toronto I get 20.1 no problem. And that's shooting through trees. I don't have a rotor yet so I pretty much leave mine pointed toward the southtowns to get the Buffalo locals OTA, but I did spin it and scan Toronto and got a lot of stations. Seems a lot of what's coming off the CN tower is pretty low power, but you should get them easily as well (assuming you don't have something big and solid blocking signal).

I also have the Silver Sensor. It's on an upstairs bedroom TV and works OK for the Buffalo locals (kinda surprising since we're 37 miles away from some of them) but it doesn't quite do it for teh Toronto stations (which are only about 42 or 43 miles... over water... but apparently much weaker)

Does that help? I got my antenna locally (lockport) for about $65. A couple of 10' mast sections (I got from the ground to above my peak) and some coax and I was cookin'. Oh... and a ground block, ground rod, and stuff like that.

Larry Quinn was on WGR radio yesterday. The interview is posted on their website at www.wgr550.com in the audio vault. At about the 17 and 22 minute mark he talks about broadcasting the games in HD. He said the first hurdle for the 07-08 season is getting a channel 'cleared' on TW, then they (Sabres) need to get an HD production truck and HD cameras. Sounds like a long shot for 07-08, but he said they'll 'definitely' have it up and running for 08-09.

One reason: WIFE. Unacceptable reason.

One reason: WIFE

Unacceptable reason.

yikes.... I take it you don't HAVE one of those? :) heheheheh

I do, but I will be damned if anyone will stop me from installing any antenna.
I had a outdoor antenna long before I even bought the house where I have beem living for the past 28 years (I was a tennant).

It's just a small antenna, what's her beef?? Tell here it could be this;
http://s3com.net/IMAGES/maintower.jpg

While I was doing a search this turned up which might be of help for anyone that wants to install thier oen antenna;
http://ecmweb.com/nec/electric_article_radio_television/

It's just a small antenna, what's her beef?? Tell here it could be this;
http://s3com.net/IMAGES/maintower.jpg



or this!

http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/aljessupistheman.jpg

Beats using a motorized antenna.

I got a chuckle out of that tower picture. I was just out in the yard and looking at my old shed (back corner of the yard and about 75 feet from the house) as a base for a tower. I'm thinking an 80 footer like Rich has would be EXACTLY all I'd need and it'd get me out of the trees. :)

Then it's... what kind of amp would I need to push through almost 200 feet of cable total? Should that be RG11 for the long run? It would get the satellite dishes off the house, but I'm not sure my wife would go for an $8,000 tower in the back yard even if it WOULD be almost totally obscured by the trees when looking back there from the house. :)

Oh.... and would mounting dishes on an 80 foot tower take it out of the class of "standard install"? heheheh

Anyone having problems with 4.1 this weekend? It's been real hard for me to lock onto even though I've never had problems before. 7.1 is coming in fine, which broadcasts from the same location I believe so I don't think it's any kind of obstruction between me and the tower.

anyone figure out a way to watch buffalo locals over the internet. For instance at work on the coumputer????

anyone figure out a way to watch buffalo locals over the internet. For instance at work on the coumputer????

Slingbox?

BTW, nice to see CBC20 has fixed their AV issue. Let's hope it stays for the duration of the Stanley Cup finals.

yardbird; Can you post a pic of these trees shot towards the problem direction?
Yes, RG-11 would be the choice, but I don't think you would really need a 80' tower. As fara s an amp, it would depend on what your strongest signals are in the direction of the weakest channels.

yardbird; Can you post a pic of these trees shot towards the problem direction?
Yes, RG-11 would be the choice, but I don't think you would really need a 80' tower. As fara s an amp, it would depend on what your strongest signals are in the direction of the weakest channels.

ok I'm gonna try and link some pictures. I scaled them down to 800x600. The antenna is in each picture. My antenna mast is 20 feet from ground to top of antenna (for scale).
This one is taken looking roughly in the direction of the Grand Island towers (about 7.5 miles)

toward Grand Island (http://www.yardbird.net/images/antenna/grand_island.jpg)

This one is taken looking roughly in the direction of the southtowns towers.

toward southtowns (http://www.yardbird.net/images/antenna/southtowns.jpg)

And for this one I walked down teh street a bit to try and get back far enough to see the height of the trees. I should have walked farther.... :)

tall trees (http://www.yardbird.net/images/antenna/tall.jpg)

OK... now we'll see how good I did with the image links. :)

I think now that it's me that's having problems with 4.1 due to the leaves and wind we've been having. I'm having lots of trouble with 2.1 again too. I have the Silver Sensor. Is it possible to use a pre amp with it? What would be a good one to use?

I also just have a Silver Sensor. All my Buffalo locals come in good but 4.1 is always the pickiest. I only recorded 3 shows on CBS which is the least, by far, than other networks. But that channel gave me the hardest time over all the others, all season long.

This weekend I've been catching up on some CSI episodes from weeks' past and there are breakups throughout... even though shows I recorded from 7.1 and 2.1 on the same nights were perfect, to my recollection.

yardbird; Guess the October Surprise didn't get to you. That's alot of raking in the fall...........

Everytime I see houses with alot of trees around them, or house in a low area or valley, my first thought is; I would never live there.
On the opposite side, when I see houses up on a ridge or a high location with no antennas, all I can think of is, what a waste. Instead of spending $8k on a tower, spend it on trimming all those damn trees.

Seriously, can you trim a 'path' through that tree to the NW?

BTW, you can post attachments right in the forum. Look at the bottom of the reply box and click on where it says "Manage attachments".

Indiana627 & cwoody222; I wouldn't recomend a pre-amp with a indoor antenna. Try moving the antenna to another room.

I also just have a Silver Sensor. All my Buffalo locals come in good but 4.1 is always the pickiest.
Strange, 4.1 came in rock solid all winter long, but now that the leaves are out I'm having problems. 2.1 has always been the hardest for me. All were coming in fine this morning as there was no wind. Guess I'll just have to put up with it.

yardbird; Guess the October Surprise didn't get to you. That's alot of raking in the fall...........

*** snip ***
Instead of spending $8k on a tower, spend it on trimming all those damn trees.

Seriously, can you trim a 'path' through that tree to the NW?

Can't trim those trees. They are actually on the next door neighbor's property. And since he's the one that planted them all about 50 years ago, he's not likely going to let me trim holes through them. :)

And no, the "October Surprise" didn't hit us. We watched teh whole thing on TV like it was a movie. I had a 5,000 watt generator in my garage doing nothing for the first 5 days. Then I found someone who could get out to my house and pick it up and make use of it. It was kinda surreal.

I won't be buying a tower. My wife informs me that we'll be moving in about 2 years. :) She wants to move up toward Lewiston. I told her we have to stay ABOVE the escarpment ... hehehe... she knows why.... it was kind of a funny conversation.

She wants to move up toward Lewiston. I told her we have to stay ABOVE the escarpment ... hehehe... she knows why.... it was kind of a funny conversation.

You will be fine in Lewiston. I get 38-1 stronger than 34-1 and 14-1 below the escarpment. And Lewiston is a very nice little town (plus cheap gas).

Strong rumor is Amherst/Williamsville is next, very soon. Then following that, downtown. Look back a page or two, videobruce had some info about which central office downtown would come first (I just remember the Elmwood one would be second).

Of course that only means FiOS Internet. Verizon has no rights to sell TV anywhere 'round here yet. And probably won't for awhile barring any miracles.

Although they'd never admit to it, Verizon typically hits wealthier areas first. (which makes business sense but makes them look bad and hurts them when trying to receive approval for TV franchise rights)

hurray for williamsville.

hopefully when i get back to school my friends house will be wired with FIOS.

It looks like Omni-1 (64-1) and Omni-2 (44-1) are up and testing today.

Where are you located?

(BTW, welcome to the forums).

Where are you located?

(BTW, welcome to the forums).
I'm in Waterport, up on Rt 18, I've been a member for over a year, just don't post much. I guess I'll update my profile to reflect my location.

cheers

Almost anywhere alone Lake Ontario is a walk in the park. A Silver Sensor would probably work.

Almost anywhere alone Lake Ontario is a walk in the park. A Silver Sensor would probably work.
When I first started playing around a year and half ago, I used a omni-directional FM antenna laying on a chair in a spare bedroom connected to Voom receiver. I was able to pick up all of the Buffalo stations. Of course I wanted instant gratification so I went and purchased a 17 element UHF antenna from Rat Shack which allowed me to pick up CBC and City TV. Last spring I moved the antenna to the roof with a rotor, so now I can get all the channels in Buffalo, Rochester and most of the channels from Toronto. The only channels I haven't been able to get are the Sun TV channels out of Toronto & Hamilton, although I can pick them up in analog mode. Now all I need is decent programming to watch....

It looks like Omni-1 (64-1) and Omni-2 (44-1) are up and testing today.

I'm in NT, with CM4228 pointing (sorta) towards North hung off of a roof tower leg. (about 25 feet up).

Using a new Samsung 19" HD/integrated digitial tuner, I get a bunch of UHF channels both digital and analog, I'm really surprizied how well this tuner does and without an amplifer.

but I dont get CTV (channel 9), 66-1, 53-1 or the 2 mentioned above. Tried late Frday night about 11:30pm.

CTV (ch 40.1), 53.1 & 66.1 are all very weak with 53 being the worst. You really should be able to receive 40.1, but GI might be stopping you.

I have my main TV which has external Samsung T151 HD receiver, connected to Radio Shack UHF yagi on a rotor, and a mast amplifier.

Its about the same height as the CM4228. It gets 40.1, and I see the green light blip a few times on 66.1 -- but it's never gotten a lock.

Your amp is doing you in I will bet. Bypass the amp, run the cable directly into that one TV and see what happens.

PMB1010........where abouts in NT are you??? I'm kind of peaked that you can get a signal from 40.1 and also can you tell me just how high up that yagi is? Thanks much.....

PMB1010........where abouts in NT are you??? I'm kind of peaked that you can get a signal from 40.1 and also can you tell me just how high up that yagi is? Thanks much.....

near pizza junction.

Yagi is about 30 feet up.

I used this as reference;
http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?infact=2&outfact=2&act=move&on=CITIES&on=places&on=railroad&on=streets&on=statehwy&on=street_names&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=43.002837&mlon=-78.85472&msym=redpin&mlabel=14150__Tonawanda_&murl=&lat=43.04557&lon=-78.85417&wid=0.025&ht=0.025&conf=mapnew.con

To get this;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=43%2E04557&longitude=%2D78%2E85417&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

77 degrees away from Grand Island will help, but being 4 miles away you will still get overload. You have to get rid of that amp.
95% of them (if not all) won't handle those levels unless you can find a very deep 'null' with your antenna.

FWIW; someone on Craigslist has a Sencore SLM for sale for $250 from Tonawanda. No model number listed though, if anyone is interested;
http://buffalo.craigslist.org/ele/340933153.html

Anyone else having trouble with WIVB since last night? I'm assuming leaves/wind are to blame for me.

WGRZ and WKBW seem a bit lower than normal (hovering around 60% instead of the normal 65-70%) but WIVB was breaking up terribly during Letterman last night and this morning I can't get it past the 50's.

Everything else is at it's normal 85-90%. What I don't understand is why other stations from that same tower (even The CW) are just fine but WIVB (always my weakest performer) is a problem.

CW- Wnlo -is on GI - WIVB is in South Wales or somewhere around there! Not the same tower -GI has 23,29,43,49

Chris; WIVB is on their own tower in Colden. They aren't simulcasting from GI anymore.

Oh, OK.

So 23, 29, 43 and 49 are from GI. That's why I get them so good... 90 range.

2 and 7 are from Boston, right?... they're reliable just not as high on my signal guage as the others.

So is 4 the only thing from Colden?

38 & 39 are in Colden, 33 is S. Wales.
14, 32, 34 & 43 are GI.

Chris; don't you ever look at my 2150 results?

On a separate subject; anyone question if a 15 or 20 year old antenna install is ok to use, take at look at these closeups of the base of the legs of a 20 year old tripod that wasn't orhginally protected with a clear spray coating.
I had no idea the legs were like this. I was taking down a antenna that wasn't used anymore, orginally was from the lower flat that the previous landlady (before I bought the house) had installed back in the 80's.
Two different legs (shown upside down) where they rotted thru. Only one leg didn't crumble when I removed the brackets from the roof (unlike most who just break off or drill out the rivets and leave the angle brackets).

TimeWarner has reworked the QAM lineup. Versus HD disappeared and was replaced with My Network TV HD.

I wish HDNet was in the clear... they're showing all 13 episodes of the canceled Black Donnellys.

I have the Direct HR10-250 with an antenna hooked up for OTA HD. It puts the OTA HD channels seamlessly into the onscreen guide with the satellite channels. For example:

2 (sat)
2.1 (ant)
2.2 (ant)
4 (sat)
4.1 (ant)
etc...

I believe this is how their newer H20 and HR20 receivers work too, but not sure. I've never seen a Dish on screen guide, so I can't comment.
I have upgraded to the Directv HR20 and can confirm that it handles the integration of OTA channels into the on screen guide in this manner:

2 (sat HD feed)
2 (sat SD feed)
2.1 (ant)
2.2 (ant)
etc...

Considering switching to direct tv from twc buffalo for the upcoming hd channels. Anyone recently switch and can comment on the digital picture quality. I think the pix quality of twc is horrible

Considering switching to direct tv from twc buffalo for the upcoming hd channels. Anyone recently switch and can comment on the digital picture quality. I think the pix quality of twc is horrible


Direct sucked when I switched to Dish; Dish's quality has likely slipped to Direct's level but sometimes it looks really really good.

If you think TWC's HD picture quality sucks, you'll be equally dissappointed by either sat carrier right now.

If you really wanna get mad, check out a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD sometime.

Sorta OT but with the 7/1 deadline coming up requiring cable companies to only deploy new CableCARD cable boxes to future customers... does anyone know which boxes TWC is going to deploy here?

And does anyone know if this also means that the software running on those machines will be better than the god-awful software running on their STBs now?

Considering switching to direct tv from twc buffalo for the upcoming hd channels. Anyone recently switch and can comment on the digital picture quality. I think the pix quality of twc is horrible
I've been with Directv since 2003. I never had digital cable so I can't comment directly, though I was just at my in-laws in Binghamton this weekend and they have TWC digital cable and the PQ is much worse than what I get with D* (TWC on screen guide is a joke!). The new D* MPEG4 HD channels (which our local channels are with D*) have an excellent PQ - equivalent to OTA - so much so that I've removed the OTA versions of 2, 7 and 29 from my guide since I now only use the D* version. You'll also get YES HD and SNY HD in MPEG4 with D* if you're a Yankees or Mets fan.

Their older MPEG2 HD channels (like ESPN, TNT, Discovery, etc.) don't look as good as the MPEG4 channels.

The PQ for Standard Definition is pretty good, though these channels will not look as good on an HDTV as they do on a regular 4:3 SDTV.

TWC digital cable and the PQ is much worse than what I get with D* (TWC on screen guide is a joke!). I assume you mean non HD "digital" channels? Those guides are probably 640x480 (or there abouts) just as those "music' channels are.

I was referring more to the layout of the on screen guide than the PQ of it. And yes, the non HD digital channels (my in laws don't have HD).

TWC is completely different depending on the hardware/software of the STB. I've seen TWC down in Charlotte and their STB/DVR/OnDemand is actually usable and enjoyable. The version we have here is an utter POS.

Has anyone else just lost 2-1 completely? I am getting zero signal. Everything else is coming in fine.

Has anyone else just lost 2-1 completely? I am getting zero signal. Everything else is coming in fine.

Same here in NT @ 3:15pm

It's back now

does anybody out there have an antennas direct DB8 or a Televes Dat75?. I have a DB8 and and Winegard PR8800(8800 is the one I currently have up on the roof) I just purchased th Dat 75 (for the heck of it)

I am in OP off of Jewitt holmwood and receive all Bflo DTV, CBLTDT,CBCfrench DTV
at night, sunTV 15-1 from hamilton(occasionally). Analog 9,11,19,36
41,47,69,57 and snowey Rochester.

I cant get CFTO 40-1, I think mostly form noise from the south(38-1,39-1) and north (43-1). It seems like the Dat 75 and DB8 might be a little bit more directional, so I am going to give them a try. I don't have any real expectations. I suspect I have reach my max reception on my roof.

Also, has anybody in Buffalo metro picked up Rochester DTV. Is tower height there the main issue????

I am in buffalo and direct does not offer cbs hd signal. One rep stated only way to get it is a ota antenna which i ordered. THen when i called 4 hrs later about my order i was told i will not get cbs hdtv from buffalo but will get a cbs HD feed from somewhere on the east coast which is fine for me. I just want cbs for prime time and nfl and such. Can anyone confirm this?? If u dont get hd locals will direct give u them from another area?

i was told i will not get cbs hdtv from buffalo but will get a cbs HD feed from somewhere on the east coast Seems to make sense to me as the bandwidth for each and every 'local' HD feed would bring their system down because of bandwidth restrictions.

I would love to see the comparision of direct OTA prime time and their "HD Lite" network feed. FUCCO; why not just erect a OTA antenna and be done with it? Forget Dave TV (for network programming).

maevejr; You can receive ch 15D (Hamiliton) & 26D (CBC French)??

You have to live in a qualifying area to receive East Coast feeds instead of local stations.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=1200072

In this area it's probably very difficult to qualify. I don't think DirecTV has the right to just give you a HD feed from another area just because the local affiliate doesn't allow their digital signal to be carried by them.

However, I've never been an DTV subscriber so I'm not 100% positive.

I think what he was saying is the "HD" feed will not be the 'local HD' feed, just a network 'HD' feed from a major market.

Separate subject:
For those that haven't heard, Canada has a cutoff date for analog, 2 1/2 years after ours;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=63969

I'm not going to interpret this but here's what they say:


Receiving HD Feeds via Off-Antenna
In some areas, we may offer standard local channels, but not HD channels. In these areas you may be able to receive local HD programs through an off-air antenna**.

**In cities where local off-air HD programs are available. Off-air antenna required; reception may vary based on geographic location. Programs not delivered in HD in all markets.

Programs not delivered in HD in all markets. Which tells me there is no HD 're-broadcast' available here since this surely isn't a 'major' market, just SD 're-broadcasts'.

Which tells me there is no HD 're-broadcast' available here since this surely isn't a 'major' market, just SD 're-broadcasts'.

Up above the whole reason the OP is switching is because of the HD availability here. He's not happy with TW's quality and was impressed by the MPEG-4 quality on DTV.

DTV has 2, 7 and 29 available in HD here. They don't have 4 because their owner hasn't given DTV permission... just like 29 didn't give TW permission until recently for their HD feed.

You can look this all up by zipcode at DirecTV's site. Click "Local Channels" in the left menu.

Seems to make sense to me as the bandwidth for each and every 'local' HD feed would bring their system down because of bandwidth restrictions.

I would love to see the comparision of direct OTA prime time and their "HD Lite" network feed. FUCCO; why not just erect a OTA antenna and be done with it? Forget Dave TV (for network programming).

maevejr; You can receive ch 15D (Hamiliton) & 26D (CBC French)??


Yes, I get CBC French almost every night. Sun TV 15-1 I got two or three times last month. Never CFTO however. I think its mostly because of the strong signal I am receiving from the south 38-1 and 39-1. I don't even use the rotor, I just keep it pointed at the CN tower, I do change it to 270 to get SunTV.

I am in buffalo and direct does not offer cbs hd signal. One rep stated only way to get it is a ota antenna which i ordered. THen when i called 4 hrs later about my order i was told i will not get cbs hdtv from buffalo but will get a cbs HD feed from somewhere on the east coast which is fine for me. I just want cbs for prime time and nfl and such. Can anyone confirm this?? If u dont get hd locals will direct give u them from another area?
I have D* and you will only get 2, 7 and 29 in HD from them. No channel 4 because channel 4's parent company (LIN Broadcasting) won't allow D* to retransmit any of their affiliates HD signals (other cities are missing HD channels on D* because of this). To get a national CBS HD feed, WIVB would have to grant you a waiver. From what I understand this is a time consuming process and I'm not even sure WIVB would grant it.

Short answer: I'm 99.99999% certain the only way you will get CBS HD right now is with an antenna. Hopefully LIN will change their position and reach an agreement with D* so D* can offer us WIVB HD soon.

I would love to see the comparision of direct OTA prime time and their "HD Lite" network feed.
In my opinion, D* MPEG4 HD locals (2, 7 and 29 in Buffalo) are indistinguishable from the OTA signal. MUCH, MUCH better than their current MPEG2 channels.

YES HD in MPEG4 looks noticeably better than YES HD in MPEG2 did (the only channel I was able to do a before and after test with).

These are just tests I did with my eyes - I have no means to measure bitrate or bandwidth.

i am going to get a small indoor antenna. I only need channel 4 and am in s cheektowaga. I figure being their tower is only 15 miles away i should pick it up with no problem. I have never used a ota antenna. I just dont want the picture to break up.

If you only need to orient the antenna to get that one channel, you should be just fine. Just get channel 4 to as close to 100% signal strength as possible and then don't move it.

But you could probably, with some tweaking, get the other channels (CW, PBS, MyTV) too.