jjm1024;
I'm using a new locator site and came up with this location;
http://geocoder.ibegin.com/geolive.php?location=irving+ny

To get this from my perfered site (see my sig);
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E567559&longitude=%2D79%2E112817&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=False&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

Apparently the owner of the site either made a change or there is some type of 'glitch' since the "Direction" and Xmitter Antenna" collumns are mostly incorrect and reversed from what they should be. The center of the polar plot should/was the xmitter location. Now it appears that the center is your location, which is very confusing. I will e-mail him and ask what's up.

Anyway, the rest is correct. You are in a golden area since being near the lake, you shouldn't have any problem receiving Erie PA, but Toronto might be a problem. That closest station shouldn't be a problem with overload if you choose to get a pre-amp or amp since it is either off to the side or behind where you want to point. You seem to be the first forum member to be in this area as it should be a envious area to be in (reception wise).
The last question; I know that area is, or can be hilly. What is your elevation? Are you up on a hill or down in a valley?


On a separate subject; anyone see that article in the News regarding Verizon Fiber and their proposed TV offerings next year?
I understand it will be directly after Verizon rewires the HSBC arena. :D ;)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

Came across this regarding CHCH ch11 (analog) out of Hamiliton;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=62886

and specifically this;
http://www.canada.com/topics/entertainment/story.html?id=85481705-50c1-4c8c-88a0-47d85b017e66&k=71472

CW23 AGAIN only showed Gossip Girl in SD, pillarboxed.... is this what we have to look forward to? Is there no CW HD?

I did a little research for Verizon FiOS and found this for a nationwide channel lineup;
http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv/channel+lineup/channel+lineup.htm

I then found this .pdf file for the New York City area for the basic analog channels below 49;
http://www22.verizon.com/NROneRetail/NR/rdonlyres/99D3601C-3B2C-44D5-9A97-264E9873C72D/0/NY_NYArea.pdf

And the rate chart in a pdf form;
http://www22.verizon.com/NROneRetail/NR/rdonlyres/270BCFF8-DC9A-4D65-B123-65B208414146/0/Abundance_PDF1222.pdf

I didn't see any prices for the HD channels.

On a separate subject; anyone see that article in the News regarding Verizon Fiber and their proposed TV offerings next year?
I understand it will be directly after Verizon rewires the HSBC arena. :D ;)
(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

I missed that article. Cool; thanks.

It's here, FYI:
http://www.buffalonews.com/145/story/167530.html

But what I don't understand is, it seems they don't yet have any deals with any local township?!

"Verizon will need to sign franchise agreements with local governments before it can begin selling TV signals over its fiber network.

“Under current law it’s town by town,” Bonomo said. Verizon had pushed for statewide franchising to speed the process."

So is this really just their INTENTION to sell TV here but they have no rights to do so yet?

I don't THINK Verizon charges for an HD Package (aside from Premiums), just for the HD box to receive the channels.

Although I'd prefer a Verizon CableCARD in my Series3 TiVo, Verizon's STB UI is probably the nicest of any cable / satellite company.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2007-07/hands-on-with-verizon-fios-tv-20/

http://www.tvsquad.com/2007/07/17/more-verizon-fios-2-0-pictures-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at/

What the heck are all these posts about The War from people in Texas, California, Florida, etc doing in the Buffalo, NY HDTV thread? Did I miss something?

Weird, I didn't even see those!

Looks like the AVS Forum database had a hiccup or something!

What the heck are all these posts about The War from people in Texas, California, Florida, etc doing in the Buffalo, NY HDTV thread? Did I miss something?

There is a thread titled "The War - A Ken Burns Film on PBS" currently on page two of the HDTV Programming forum. The thread claims it was "Moved" from somewhere. Anyway, clicking on that thread links people directly into this Buffalo thread. :eek: :eek: :eek:

An admin needs to point the "Moved" thread on page 2 to this, the correct thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=912566

I emailed MSG about the Sabres home games being in HD this year, and their response was:

"All Sabres home games will be broadcasted in HD this season."

I replied back asking if this will just be for TWC or if D* and E* will also have the HD feed. Waiting for a reply.

great news keep me informed thanks

Reaper on WNLO is only in SD tonight... just like Gossip Girl last week (twice). Obviously WNLO is having some sort of problem. Is there any engineer here (probably from WIVB) or anyone with a contact with one who can get an answer?

I emailed WIVB and their Internet Manager (ALL their emails get directed to him) forwarded my comments onto others... but that was yesterday and no one has responded. (the Internet guy responded within minutes)

I missed that article Your slipping.
I thought of you as soon as I came across that article and for sure expected to see your post on it. ;)

The Internet Manager at WNLO replied again. The problem is at another facility (Indianapolis, actually) but the local engineers are aware of it and working on it.

titantv's guide is showing no HD programing for anything on WNLO for as far as there info goes , about 2 weeks ahead

TitanTV is wrong. They're in HD right now. Problem must be fixed. Even if it wasn't I'm sure they wouldn't report their problem to TitanTV. Probably a coincidence that TitanTV is wrong now too.

Is anyone seeing pixelation on WKBW lately? I'm hesitant to blame the weather because I've had weather-related signal loss last year and this pixelation I'm seeing now looks... different. I'm only seeing this on WKBW so far (Tues & Wed).

I'm worried this is the type of pixelation that some TiVo users have experienced with CableCARD channels even though this is over OTA. I'm worried TiVo's pixelation problem has expanded.

This is what it looks like. Anyone seeing this on WKBW this week? (screencap from last night's Dirty Sexy Money, recorded OTA)

http://homepage.mac.com/cwoody222/pixels.jpg

Chris; you are probably at the 'cliff' of many of these stations with that indoor antenna. Where almost anything will cause the signal to drop out.
It's the same for me with CFTO 40.1. Last spring, I lost it many times. :(

I really don't think it's weather / signal related. So far it's only happened on WKBW and it lasts just a few seconds. It NEVER happened like that all last year (I got the antenna in May 06 and the TiVo in Oct 06). I did lose a few shows here and there last year (I think two - SNL one night, late night, and during the Oct storm) but it never did what it's doing now.

This is what it looks like. Anyone seeing this on WKBW this week?

It is happening on my end too.

Last night during Big Shots WKBW was breaking up and my signal was 100%. Maybe it is satellite problems on their end.

It is happening on my end too.

Last night during Big Shots WKBW was breaking up and my signal was 100%. Maybe it is satellite problems on their end.

Fwew! Glad I'm not going crazy :)

You're not using a TiVo Series3, right?

I recorded Big Shots but haven't watched it yet, I'll check when I do if I get the same breakups. (Ugly Betty and Grey's, IIRC, had a few but nowhere near as bad as Tues & Wed with Boston Legal and Dirty Sexy Money)

You're not using a TiVo Series3, right?

There were only a few break-ups but WKBW has been rock solid in the past. I was using a Sharp HDTV.

Is anyone seeing pixelation on WKBW lately? I'm hesitant to blame the weather because I've had weather-related signal loss last year and this pixelation I'm seeing now looks... different. I'm only seeing this on WKBW so far (Tues & Wed).

I'm worried this is the type of pixelation that some TiVo users have experienced with CableCARD channels even though this is over OTA. I'm worried TiVo's pixelation problem has expanded.

This is what it looks like. Anyone seeing this on WKBW this week? (screencap from last night's Dirty Sexy Money, recorded OTA)

http://homepage.mac.com/cwoody222/pixels.jpg

The Practice on Tuesday wasn't pixelated but it was so choppy I couldn't watch it. I have seen this before on ABC. It is the only station I have seen it on. Anyone else?

The Practice? You mean Boston Legal? ;)

Yes, it was VERY pixelated / choppy for me too. At first I blamed the weather until I saw the problem again on Dirty Sexy Money (also on ABC) the next day when it wasn't nearly as rainy and I hadn't experienced it other channels. Yesterday's weather was fine and it happened again (and again only on ABC) so I've ruled out the rain on Tuesday as the factor.

The problem with WKBW was just not over the air. I have both HD dvr cable box from Time Warner and and HD tuner over the air antenna. I switched back and forth. It was affecting both. So I would conclude the problem was either at WKBW or their satellite feed. The video not only was pixelating, but was choppy at times. There was no problem with any other HD station either over the air or on cable. It was very annoying watching Boston Legal that way. Of course with WKBW cutting back and reducing their staff, nothing would surprise me if they are cutting back on their engineering staff also.

DHWs at 9pm last night had problems only about 3 times on WKBW.

nothing would surprise me if they are cutting back on their engineering staff also. Oh, they already did that years ago. The night janitor does the maintenance................. :D

(BTW, they didn't opt for the extended warrenty.)

DHWs at 9pm last night had problems only about 3 times on WKBW.

Yep, I noticed that too. I quickly started recording the QAM channel to verify it was coming in there too... it was.

But it was nowhere near as bad as last week.

I need help with my new Dish Network install. First is E* short for dish. Second , I have to dish 500 antennas one for 110, and 119 degrees and one for the 61.5 degrees sat. In the best of weather, I am getting a signal strength of 50 to 60, sometimes 70. With any kind of weather I am getting signal loss. I have had intertech out twice with no improvement. I am in OP with a clear line of sight. Any suggestions, is intertech competent, are there any other installers locally that better??

Only one answer; a larger antenna (dish).

Why these satellite companies still install those small antennas when for a few dollars more with the next size up would eliminate fade. All this is doing is giving cables companies more ammo for their ads against satellite. ;)

Your best to ask the question in a satellite forum.

The problem with ch 7 is still there? I have TW and I recorded Ugly Betty last week and it was all choppy through the hole show. Then I wanted to check out Carpoolers last night so I recorded it and the same problem was still there. It was worse last night though as there was major pixilation to go with the choppy picture. I guess I'm lucking that everything on that network is crap so I don't have to watch much of it.

Also is there any info on how TW is going to handle the Sabres HD games? Is Fridays game going to be in HD on TW?

I watched Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy last Thursday via OTA recorded to my TiVo Series3 and it was not choppy at all. Maybe a VERY brief blip here and there.

Ditto with Desperate Housewives and Brothers & Sisters on Sunday.

I recorded Boston Legal last night but haven't checked it out yet.


I'm also wondering about the Sabres in HD this week. I keep hoping to find a new unencrypted QAM channel but I haven't yet.

Just emailed TW and they told me the MSG HD will be avaible by Fridays home opener on Ch 700.:)

No Plans for TBS HD.:mad:

Hmm... 700... maybe that'll mean it'll appear on one of my many unencrypted channel 0's (I think I get about 6). One of those channel 0's is TBS digital. Not HD, though. I thought it was a placeholder for the HD channel. Guess not.

What is wrong with TW? Why no TBS in HD for Buffalo- I read earlier today in the Albany HD thread- they have it- what is taking us so long to get it- or will we ever?

yeah and albany has msg-hd for years now

Does anyone see this? I have the basic tier of digital cable- Do I need more than that?

NO Surprise here:

I just called TW and guess what a rep told me there is no plans to add MSG HD or TBS HD right now! Same old story - the customers no more than the cs reps! Let's hope this CSR is wrong for both stations.

NO Surprise here:

I just called TW and guess what a rep told me there is no plans to add MSG HD or TBS HD right now! Same old story - the customers no more than the cs reps! Let's hope this CSR is wrong for both stations.

Interesting. I fired off an email earlier about the weak status of the TWC HD lineup and was pretty much given the company line and no info was given about any channels, even though a few were mentioned by name, TBS, VS-GOLF and MSG.

ch 2 news at 11 stated as of friday twc will have ch700 for the msg hd sabres games. there will be 33 home games in hd.

Now since i switched to direct tv this summer i have to see if i will recieve the games in hd, no one knows what is going on with that issue

The problem with ch 7 is still there? I have TW and I recorded Ugly Betty last week and it was all choppy through the hole show. Then I wanted to check out Carpoolers last night so I recorded it and the same problem was still there. It was worse last night though as there was major pixilation to go with the choppy picture. I guess I'm lucking that everything on that network is crap so I don't have to watch much of it.



Via OTA-TiVo3... Pushing Daises had 1 instance of pixelation. Dirty Sexy Money had about 4. All were just a second in length, not a big deal at all.

Are you still seeing it as bad as last week?

Via OTA-TiVo3... Pushing Daises had 1 instance of pixelation. Dirty Sexy Money had about 4. All were just a second in length, not a big deal at all.

Are you still seeing it as bad as last week?

I don't know I don't watch much on Ch 7. I will record Ugly Betty tonight. I have two SA8300 so I will record it on both and see if the problem is with one my boxes. The only two shows I have recorded on ch 7 have been choppy for the entire show.

Via OTA-TiVo3... Pushing Daises had 1 instance of pixelation. Dirty Sexy Money had about 4. All were just a second in length, not a big deal at all.

Are you still seeing it as bad as last week?

I tried watching Pushing Daisies last night on TW via QAM and it was almost unwatchable. Only a second or two of pixelation. Not sure how to describe it, but the picture seemed to 'stutter' - freeze up for a split second and then continue.

It happened alot during the opening sequence when there was a lot of motion going on. The problem wasn't so bad when there wasn't much motion.

I tried watching Pushing Daisies last night on TW via QAM and it was almost unwatchable. Only a second or two of pixelation. Not sure how to describe it, but the picture seemed to 'stutter' - freeze up for a split second and then continue.

It happened alot during the opening sequence when there was a lot of motion going on. The problem wasn't so bad when there wasn't much motion.

This sounds like the same exact problem I am having. Good to know I am not the only one. Who do complain to though. Is it an ABC, WKBW, or TW problem?

The stutter on WKBW has been frustrating. Interesting it is present on the primetime programming, but was not present during Sunday's Nascar race. I am comforted to find others are experiencing this because I just installed a cm4221 at my home and thought I had done something wrong.

Anybody in the area that bought a new tv have a tuner they want to sell? Send me a message if you do, I need one for my uncle.
I bought an RCA from RW Antenna that works great! he's out of the rca's though.

also, does anybody know is wkbw going to pick up the espn-hd feed monday night or the sd feed?

This sounds like the same exact problem I am having. Good to know I am not the only one. Who do complain to though. Is it an ABC, WKBW, or TW problem?

I just double checked, Pushing Daises was flawless for the first 8 minutes, then a slight blocking dropout. This was OTA.

I just watched Ugly Betty. The first 15 minutes via OTA. A few bits of pixelation, about a second in duration each. No big deal. (but unlike it should be - flawless)

I then switched over to QAM (which I rarely do so I have little to compare) and it was horrible... the studdering... not pixealation, but the picture and audio studdered. I wanted to flip back to OTA but I got a phone call and ended up being "behind live TV" on my TiVo and was recording on NBC too so I couldn't change channels.

I had to watch the rest of the show like that. Ugh. Horrible!

I'm recording Grey's Anatamy now OTA. I watched the first minute or so and the studdering seems to NOT be there. But I bet I get a bit of pixelation. But I won't know tonight because I probably won't watch Grey's tonight (gotta watch NBC stuff instead).

I think this is a problem we should report to WKBW. I emailed their enginerring dept about a week ago and got no response (shock!). I got their email from their website. I'll send another one tomorrow. TWC subscribers... it can't hurt to complain to TW too... maybe they'll pass it along to WKBW folks.

(update: my TiVo just unpaused for about a minute while I was sitting here typing... Grey's seems OK on OTA... but again, I bet I get some pixelation here and there... seems like OTA is getting pixels and TW is getting studdering)

Hope you know it's only locally. ;)

Also, I hope you know their parent company has been in chapter 11;
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=GBTVK&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=1011418 The company listed more than $640 million in outstanding debts.Look whos running it.

Read half way down the page here;
http://indiana.typepad.com/fwob/2007/09/granite-broadca.html

Well my cable box just went down, I'm hoping that TWC is updating things and adding msgHD on 700. I'll keep you guys updated.

I just watched Ugly Betty. The first 15 minutes via OTA. A few bits of pixelation, about a second in duration each. No big deal. (but unlike it should be - flawless)

I then switched over to QAM (which I rarely do so I have little to compare) and it was horrible... the studdering... not pixealation, but the picture and audio studdered. I wanted to flip back to OTA but I got a phone call and ended up being "behind live TV" on my TiVo and was recording on NBC too so I couldn't change channels.

I had to watch the rest of the show like that. Ugh. Horrible!

I'm recording Grey's Anatamy now OTA. I watched the first minute or so and the studdering seems to NOT be there. But I bet I get a bit of pixelation. But I won't know tonight because I probably won't watch Grey's tonight (gotta watch NBC stuff instead).

I think this is a problem we should report to WKBW. I emailed their enginerring dept about a week ago and got no response (shock!). I got their email from their website. I'll send another one tomorrow. TWC subscribers... it can't hurt to complain to TW too... maybe they'll pass it along to WKBW folks.

(update: my TiVo just unpaused for about a minute while I was sitting here typing... Grey's seems OK on OTA... but again, I bet I get some pixelation here and there... seems like OTA is getting pixels and TW is getting studdering)

I had the same problem. Recorded Ugly Betty on both of my SA8300s and had the studder through the entire episode and full screen pixelation five or six times. I guess it is time to star complaining. I will call or email TW and Ch 7 today. This has been happening for well over a week now that I know of.

Contact them here:

http://www.wkbw.com/about/contact

That will do alot of good. Write to corporate instead. Thats' where the $$ comes from (that they don't have).

Contact them here:

http://www.wkbw.com/about/contact


Thanks. They have been contacted.

That will do alot of good. Write to corporate instead. Thats' where the $$ comes from (that they don't have).
I've actually had good engineering responses from them when I use their form.

There was a lot of audio/video stuttering this morning around 6AM during their local news, so it's not an ABC issue but is definitely a WKBW issue. This was OTA.

I've actually had good engineering responses from them when I use their form.That's a surprised. Must of been in the right place at the right time.

That's a surprised. Must of been in the right place at the right time.
Actually it's been 2 or 3 different times.

Well my cable box just went down, I'm hoping that TWC is updating things and adding msgHD on 700. I'll keep you guys updated.

Way to GO TW! Looks like MSG is on 700 today labled sabre on my sa8300!
Is this just a place holder or will it always be here? Seems like it should be on 728!

Does anyone know if MSG-HD is unencrypted or not? If so, where'd you find it?

PS An ad in the paper yesterday said that it's Exclusive to TWC, so no luck for satellite.

I found MSG-HD on free unencrypted QAM on my TiVo. It's showing up as the #4th of 7 channel 0's that come in. It was a channel my TiVo already found previously so it must have replaced something else (probably some VOD preview channel or something) on that frequency.

I hope it stays.

You beat me to it Chris.

It's on 94.1 (actual channel)!

Where's the 5.1 audio -Is this true HD?

The problem with ch 7 is still there? I have TW and I recorded Ugly Betty last week and it was all choppy through the hole show. Then I wanted to check out Carpoolers last night so I recorded it and the same problem was still there. It was worse last night though as there was major pixilation to go with the choppy picture. I guess I'm lucking that everything on that network is crap so I don't have to watch much of it.



Haven't been following this too carefully, so excuse me if this has been covered already.

If the problem is with recorded shows, did you try a hard reboot of your box? I had a similar problem this spring and a reboot fixed it completely!!!

jimdoo; It's definitely HD, but the question should be; where is any audio.
Cameras running full gain, SD commericals in 'stretch' mode, choppy & dropped video, same with audio. Must be WKBWs' crew running the show. ;)

But, the video is actually very good (when there isn't any dropouts, freezes or cameras at full gain).

philherz; What's that sig about??
The problem with WKBW is Granite. Read my post from a few days ago. They need a re-boot.

Anyone else in Buffalo getting Rochester stations tonight?

Atleast for tonight and other good dx nights- Doesn't look like WHAM has the same problems.

Anyone see the Sabres in HD on TW in the Buffalo area tonight?
[And yes, Sabres home HD is exclusive to cable]

philherz; What's that sig about??


I also follow the SA8300HDDVR Tips & Tricks thread and they recommend that posters put their city and software # in their sig. so that the pros can help with some of the 8300's issues.....

Anyone see the Sabres in HD on TW in the Buffalo area tonight?Read the previous posts..............

philherz; Ok, I would of never guessed that in a million years. It looks more as a IP address.

Does anyone know if MSG-HD is unencrypted or not? If so, where'd you find it?

PS An ad in the paper yesterday said that it's Exclusive to TWC, so no luck for satellite.

And here we go again. Gary Bettman needs to be shot in the head repeatedly over this TV nonsense.

NHL Center Ice preview did not carry the game in HD- meaning MSG-HD does not have a contract there, be it Dish or DirectTV. All the trouble MSG-HD put into getting the Sabres into HD and then this happens anyway. It's not like the season's beginning took anybody by surprise. I think there were nine HD channels available for games last night, so it's not a question of that.

And TWC is starved for bandwidth again. Given the retarded exclusivity rights that follow, it looks like the Buffalo area is stuck with TWC's stuttery, broken-up, intermittently out-of-sync signal as the only option. The picture quality, IMO, was nothing short of staggering, but that's right where it ended. These problems w/TWC's signal is something I've never seen on either Dish or Direct.

Another year of half-assed HD for the Sabres. And so it goes...

These problems w/TWC's signal is something I've never seen on either Dish or Direct.You watched the game on satellite at the same time with this game??

Anyone see the Sabres in HD on TW in the Buffalo area tonight?
[And yes, Sabres home HD is exclusive to cable]
I watched the game last night in hi def on TW cable. Using an SA8300HD. The picture was very good except it seemed like every 5 minutes the video dropped out or froze as did the audio. Seems like a major bandwidth problem at TW. They need to do what the cable companies did in Chicago. Start converting all customers to set top boxes. The problems will then disappear, by getting rid of the analog, bandwidth hogging signals. Just my opinion.
Bernie

And here we go again. Gary Bettman needs to be shot in the head repeatedly over this TV nonsense.

NHL Center Ice preview did not carry the game in HD- meaning MSG-HD does not have a contract there, be it Dish or DirectTV.
The main reason neither satellite company has MSG-HD right now is because MSG is owned by the same family that owns Cablevision, NYC's main cable company. They will take any advantage that they can get for themselves and their cable brethren, and in this case it means not coming to terms with satellite to provide MSG-HD signals. Will that last forever? I don't know. But it's the reality now. I'm not sure there's much the league or Sabres can do. I've been in contact with the Sabres and they've pretty much said their hands are tied.

You watched the game on satellite at the same time with this game??

I DVRed the SD at my house and watched the game in HD at my brother's place. They have complained about the stutter/pause/sync issues on many channels, not just MSG-HD. I'd wager it's bandwidth.

The main reason neither satellite company has MSG-HD right now is because MSG is owned by the same family that owns Cablevision, NYC's main cable company. They will take any advantage that they can get for themselves and their cable brethren, and in this case it means not coming to terms with satellite to provide MSG-HD signals. Will that last forever? I don't know. But it's the reality now. I'm not sure there's much the league or Sabres can do. I've been in contact with the Sabres and they've pretty much said their hands are tied.

Since Cablevision is not in WNY, this is a moot point. There's a lot less people in NYC that follow the Sabres vs NYR or NYI.

In addition, they're losing money by not allowing this to 'get out' to the others.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Golisano was stupid to sign with MSG. Nine more years of this crap!

Since Cablevision is not in WNY, this is a moot point. There's a lot less people in NYC that follow the Sabres vs NYR or NYI.

In addition, they're losing money by not allowing this to 'get out' to the others.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Golisano was stupid to sign with MSG. Nine more years of this crap!
Cablevision being located in NYC doesn't mean it's a moot point. In fact, it doesn't matter where it is. What does matter is that MSG is owned by a family that also owns a cable company, so it's not hard to figure out why they won't let a satellite company have access to their MSG signal.

Cablevision being located in NYC doesn't mean it's a moot point. In fact, it doesn't matter where it is. What does matter is that MSG is owned by a family that also owns a cable company, so it's not hard to figure out why they won't let a satellite company have access to their MSG signal.

Uh, it's a very moot point since Cablevision makes no additional profit from a TWC-exclusive contract; in fact, they're losing money right now because of it. Since the likelihood of Cablevision taking over TWC is very small, what does MSGHD have to lose w/regards Dish/Direct shooting into the Buffalo market?

You wouldn't get MSG in SD on satellite either if this logic held.

If anything, MSG should seek to recoup (sp?) the investment in the HD hardware/bandwidth by selling their product to as many markets as possible.

Once again, Sabres fans are getting screwed over by a cable company.

If you can't see why a cable company would not want to make one of their HD feeds available to a satellite company - thus creating a cable 'exclusivity' - then there's nothing else I can say. I think most people can understand the point I'm trying to make.

Now Cablevision/MSG's decision making process may be flawed in that they're more interested in sticking it to satellite than making sound business decisions - I'll give you that.

I said it before, I'll say it again. Golisano was stupid to sign with MSG. Nine more years of this crap!

Yea, he was real stupid...

http://www.sabresreport.com/blogs/?p=584

"7-figures annually" stupid.

Yea, he was real stupid...

http://www.sabresreport.com/blogs/?p=584

"7-figures annually" stupid.

The discussion was regarding the TV contract- after all, this is avsforum.com, isn't it?

If you want another shining example of how stupid the Sabres function, in general, look at the 'ice bowl' and how they ran the ticket sales.

We'll whether or not he was stupid w/regards to staffing this summer. Looks like they're off to a fine start this year, hmm? Not to worry- we might see lots of season tickets available next summer.

The TV contract is a good one. If you read the article you'll see that the Sabres retain control of production, which they pay for, but they get to keep advertising revenue. Plus, MSG pays them for broadcast rights.

A deal with that kind of control and revenue wouldn't happen unless there was exclusivity.

They're trading some satellite viewers (and exposure... and does this team need more in this city?) for a MUCH sweeter deal then they'd get if satellite could carry it too.

As for the Ice Bowl, that was up to the NHL, not the Sabres.

They're trading some satellite viewers (and exposure... and does this team need more in this city?) for a MUCH sweeter deal then they'd get if satellite could carry it too.

As for the Ice Bowl, that was up to the NHL, not the Sabres.

Some satellite viewers? What are you getting at there? There's vastly more penetration for HD on satellite vs. cable, and that's not just unique to WNY.

Where's your proof for this regarding a 'sweeter deal'? Do you know something that's not public knowledge?

As for the Ice Bowl, that was up to the NHL, not the Sabres.

Are you saying the NHL forced the Sabres to sell an 'unlimited' number of tickets to the season ticket holders that could actually get through to order them? Why would the NHL do such a thing?

Just tuned into ABC to watch the UAW-Ford 500 at Talladega Superspeedway and they forgot to hit the HD switch.

Just tuned into ABC to watch the UAW-Ford 500 at Talladega Superspeedway and they forgot to hit the HD switch.

I have the same probalem, I Have Time Warner Cable, what do you have. This also happened yersterday for the Penn St.-Iowa game for me

I have the same probalem, I Have Time Warner Cable, what do you have. This also happened yersterday for the Penn St.-Iowa game for me

I am getting the over the air signal.

Are you saying the NHL forced the Sabres to sell an 'unlimited' number of tickets to the season ticket holders that could actually get through to order them? Why would the NHL do such a thing?

What I'm saying is that the NHL determined the "how's" of ticket sales. Not the Sabres. This was not a Sabres game, it was an NHL event. The NHL ran the show, not the Sabres.

The NHL thought it'd be harder to fill an area 4x the size of HSBC, on what could be a cold day. They had exactly 1 similar game in all of history to predict demand. Also, ticket booths at HSBC Arena (ie: "the Sabres") did start to limit tickets when they saw the crowds.

http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/165876.html

Some satellite viewers? What are you getting at there? There's vastly more penetration for HD on satellite vs. cable, and that's not just unique to WNY.

Where's your proof for this regarding a 'sweeter deal'? Do you know something that's not public knowledge?

Look, Galisano struck a very unusual and profitable deal. MSG is owned by Cablevision and has an interest in helping the cable industry and not helping the satellite industry.

If you can't see past the fact that getting the absolute largest number of eyeballs may not be the sole best business decision in the TV business, then you just don't understand.

I understand you want MSG to be on satellite. But - guess what? - it was in MSG and Golisano's better interest (even when you factor in lost satellite viewers) to strike an exclusive deal. Otherwise, they wouldn't have done it. It's business, it's not about making sure fans with satellites are happy.

I have the same probalem, I Have Time Warner Cable, what do you have. This also happened yersterday for the Penn St.-Iowa game for me

It's not a Time Warner problem; you can't blame them - this time :)

Email or call WKBW and tell them; maybe they just forgot. I've emailed stations before when they forget. Sometimes you get lucky and they fix it shortly after. Of course, this problem today has been going on 3 hours so it's already past hope for a quick solution.

Hi I have timewarner in buffalo with the HD service. We have one HD box and I do not want to pay for another one. I get NBC, CBS and ABC on channels 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 respectively. I have an atsc tuner on my olevia TV. Any suggestions on how I can get FOX or PBS or if I am lucky other HD channels without the box?
Thanks

Those match the channels I get via my TiVo. FOX is also on 1-1 (yes, I get both NBC and FOX on TWO 1-1's) and PBS is on one of 7 channel 0's.

Perhaps your Olevia can't handle getting two identical channels or channels labeled 0?

Either way, try a scan and see what happens.

My TiVo will tune to 1-1, 1-2, etc. even if I type in the actual number. Like when Bruce said what 'real' channel MSG-HD is on (80-something) when I type that it my TiVo knows to go to one of the zero's. So maybe try to tune into the real frequency - that info's in this thread somewhere.

I know its a daunting task, anyone know what page the thread is on talking about what frequency to turn in too? Do you think I should just buy a tivo? If I buy a Tivo can I still get the HD channels without paying for the tivo service?

When searching for channels what way should I look for channels? Auto, Standard, IRC and HRC? Should I just play around and see?

Hi I have timewarner in buffalo with the HD service. We have one HD box and I do not want to pay for another one. I get NBC, CBS and ABC on channels 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 respectively. I have an atsc tuner on my olevia TV. Any suggestions on how I can get FOX or PBS or if I am lucky other HD channels without the box?
Thanks

Cablecard is the only usual way to get digital channels without a box, but your television requires a QAM tuner as well.

It's not a Time Warner problem; you can't blame them - this time :)

Email or call WKBW and tell them; maybe they just forgot. I've emailed stations before when they forget. Sometimes you get lucky and they fix it shortly after. Of course, this problem today has been going on 3 hours so it's already past hope for a quick solution.

I sent a note to HDTV/Engineering through the WKBW.com website and got an automatic reply that Mike Anger is out of the office until Monday, and seeing how even Desperate Housewives was in SD that something is going on.

Yep, Desperate Housewives being hosed obviously must be related to the problems of the past few weeks and today's NASCAR. The problems must have gotten worse.

I've sent two emails to Engineering with no response so tomorrow I'm going to email someone higher up and maybe someone at Granite as well. It's just bad business to not reply at all.

Cablecard is the only usual way to get digital channels without a box, but your television requires a QAM tuner as well.

If he can get NBC, CBS and ABC on 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 he's got a QAM tuner and does NOT need CableCARDs.

His TV is obviously reacting how my TiVo reacts to whatever f'ed up way TW is sending their non-existing PSIP info. Instead of showing the channels on 84.1 or whatever, he's getting them like my TiVo does - 1.1, 1.2, etc.

My GUESS is that the TV can't accommodate two identical channels (two 1.1's) or channel 0's.

While the TiVo can tune them it still does weird things. Like I cannot navigate from one channel 0 to another 0 in sequence. It won't detect that I'm trying to change channels.

I wish TW would send (assuming they get) the PSIP info so the channels would appear on 2.1, 4.1, etc.

Yep, Desperate Housewives being hosed ....

I switched to CTV-HD and Desperate Housewives was in HD goodness, including Teri Hatcher's busom in HD. :p

hahaha! Not being a b00b man myself, I didn't even think of that. But I did notice them even in WKBW's SD-digital feed. I can only imagine them in HD. :)

ajc1616; Every sets tunes' software/fireware is different. They handle these mis ID'ed channels differently. Those six OTA stations are in the clear, but not all sets will get them.Of course if manufactures would allow the user to turn channel mapping off, there wouldn't be a problem.
As to who's on first, I don't know about WUTV or the other CW channel. 88 & 89 are the big four (along with HD Net & HD Net Movies that TW pulled last year :mad: ) and as I stated, 94.1 is a PPV/OnDemand advertising channel that TW is using for the Sabres MSG HD home games.

I called WKBW yesterday when I saw the race wasn't in HD and was told HD was offline while they installed some upgrades/updates. I'm not sure if this was software or hardware or not. The guy said it definitely wouldn't be back on for Sunday night, which I guess he was right. I didn't see if GMA was in HD this morning. I assume they are trying to fix all the problems that have been reported here recently.

Thanks for the update Mark. I did email their GM this morning and I'll share whatever response I get, if any.

It was offline Saturday afternoon (someone reported here), then all day Sunday and now into Monday? Wow, those are some lengthy upgrades! ;)

I know its a daunting task, anyone know what page the thread is on talking about what frequency to turn in too?

Try 106.1 for FOX.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=9890652&postcount=3030

WKBW's GM replied to me. Here was the response:

Yes we are aware of the problem and are working with vendors to fix the
situation as soon as possible. Our router needs to be replaced. It is
not passing through the ABC HD signal.

115.7 E! Not in HD
111.5 TBS NO HD
108.10 NASA
108.9 WNED
108.2 TV guide- which comes in better than 95
106.2 MY TV
87.11 Bridges
86.9-86.4 just audio FM station?
86.1 ESPN U
78.31-78.7 Music Choice

Still no PBS,FOX in HD. I might just get an antenna and get an A/B switch. All I want is two football games in HD! Is that too much to ask!

WKBW's GM replied to me. Here was the response:

Yes we are aware of the problem and are working with vendors to fix the
situation as soon as possible. Our router needs to be replaced. It is
not passing through the ABC HD signal.
I wonder if they'll have it fixed in time to show the Bills game tonight in HD? I would assume that's their goal. Oh well, off to ESPN HD for me if they don't.

115.7 E! Not in HD
111.5 TBS NO HD
108.10 NASA
108.9 WNED
108.2 TV guide- which comes in better than 95
106.2 MY TV
87.11 Bridges
86.9-86.4 just audio FM station?
86.1 ESPN U
78.31-78.7 Music Choice

Still no PBS,FOX in HD. I might just get an antenna and get an A/B switch. All I want is two football games in HD! Is that too much to ask!

Weird... you get 106.2 but not 106.1.

If your TV is like mine, I'd get different results almost every time I scanned... keep trying! (sounds stupid, I know)

And you say you don't get PBS but you get WNED... that's PBS.

I wonder if they'll have it fixed in time to show the Bills game tonight in HD? I would assume that's their goal. Oh well, off to ESPN HD for me if they don't.

I specifically mentioned tonight's game (although I won't be watching at all... they don't know that) ... thought it was weird his reply didn't. Oh well.

Well, as everyone probably knows, the game was NOT in HD but this morning GMA IS. So maybe their problem is fixed either after the game or last night but they didn't get the HD feed from ESPN.

Either way, I'm glad Boston Legal will be OK tonight (hopefully).

I watched the game on 7 until 9 when I could switch back to my Directv box as it was done recording Chuck and Prison Break and it had a free tuner so I could watch ESPN HD. Anyways, I didn't experience a single audio or video issue on 7 last night, nor did I during the news this morning, so whatever the problem was, hopefully it is fixed now.

What I'm saying is that the NHL determined the "how's" of ticket sales. Not the Sabres. This was not a Sabres game, it was an NHL event. The NHL ran the show, not the Sabres

You didn't answer my point; I can read the news articles too, and it doesn't even touch on the question I raised.

Look, Galisano struck a very unusual and profitable deal. MSG is owned by Cablevision and has an interest in helping the cable industry and not helping the satellite industry.

If you can't see past the fact that getting the absolute largest number of eyeballs may not be the sole best business decision in the TV business, then you just don't understand.

Help me Understand here- do you have some links to share regarding your opinions, are you passing anecdote, or just making this up as you go along?

I don't know what question you're referring to and I'm not going to continue to go off-topic.

edit: removed what's probably considered a personal attack

I don't know what question you're referring to and I'm not going to continue to go off-topic.

edit: removed what's probably considered a personal attack

Uh, asking for proof of what you claimed regarding a satellite contract for HD is hardly off-topic, is it?

What proof are you looking for?

Is the MSG/SabresHD just showing up on game day for CableCard subscribers? I was out of town for the first game and don't have a channel 700. Everything else is working on my CableCard.

Sort of... the channel should be available but when there's not a local game, the channel defaults to free video on demand previews. Do you have to re-scan to get new channels "added" to your lineup? What are you using your CableCARD with?

In the past, new channels have just appeared. I'll do a rescan, but that doesn't always go well...

edit: my tv is a Sony A10

I reset the CableCard and it found 700. The reset took a lot less time than in the past. Good news, I guess.

Anyone else still having trouble with WKBW 707 on TWC? I'm getting stuttering video, but OTA looks fine on 7.1

Channel 707 WKBW Buffalo (Amherst) is horrible. All the prime-time shows are hosed- Stuttering, glitches, audio scratchy, etc. It has been this way for about a month or so. It does not appear to affect GMA HD though, which is weird- but as noted already the Talladega Nascar raced was in SD over the weekend.

I have called TW ever since this started.. weeks ago, now I call about 3 times a week.. when I see the problem. Finally they admit to the problem, but blame WKBW, I don't pay WKBW for HD service, I pay TW.. It is a "known issue" now, but it still isn't fixed. I finally complained on the WKBW contact page.. I wish more people would complain to TW/ WKBW so they would fix the problem. I am about to call a lawyer.

http://www.wkbw.com/about/contact
This is what I wrote-

Time Warner Channel 707 - ABC HD in Amherst specifically (and all of Buffalo apparently- whoever is fed by WKBW) is stuttering, tiling, has audio glitches and noise, and unwatchable with most of the HDTV content. This includes ALL of ABC prime-time HD content, including all of the ABC fall show premiers.

Time Warner Cable customer support blames this ongoing and known issue on you, WKBW. This has been going on for about a month or so now, all the new prime time shows are affected, as well as the Talladega race on Sun., Oct 7th- it was not in HD at all for example.

I will be reporting this problem to the Better business Bureau, and if not resolved soon, I plan on calling a consumer advocate attorney to look into a class action lawsuit on behalf of all the paying customers who's ABC HD channel viewing is being ruined by your incompetence. The FCC will also be notified of your negligence and incompetence regarding this issue.

Fix this problem!

http://www.bbb.org/complaint.asp
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/complaints.html
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GFRC,GFRC:2007-02,GFRC:en&q=consumer+advocate+attorney

What a bunch of incompetent morons they are. If it isn't fixed soon, I am definitely calling as many attorneys as will listen, and see if there is a class action lawsuit here. Someone is getting paid, but not putting out the service they are supposed to.

You're going to call the BBB and/or the FCC and/or call a lawyer about WKBW?! Because you can't get TV shows in HD? You can watch analog cable. You can get an antenna and watch SD. You have nothing to complain about. The FCC is going to care less that a broadcaster is having a temporary technical problem with their HD feed. Do you think the FCC really cares that you had to suffer thru watching a race in SD? Oh, the horror.

However, you are paying TWC for HD which you're not getting. Whether it's their problem or not. I'd be asking for a credit on my account from them.

WKBW is aware of the problem and working on it. Perhaps you'd get some better response if you didn't threaten them and call them incompetent.

I might just get an antenna and get an A/B switch.What are you waiting for??? ;)
ajc1616; Where are you and what tuner/TV do you have??

I will be reporting this problem to the Better business Bureau, and if not resolved soon, I plan on calling a consumer advocate attorney to look into a class action lawsuit Sounds just like what someone from Amherst would say. Really shows your intelligence. :rolleyes:
Spouting off about sueing someone. Tell us, when your BMX doesn't start up or gets a flat, are you going to sue the dealer and the manufacture?

WKBW 7 in HD has been fine for me since Monday. I get it via Directv. I watched part of the Bills game on it (I know they didn't have the HD feed), then GMA and local news and Carpoolers. All without a problem. I think WKBW fixed the problem on their end. I guess TWC needs to get their act together.

For what it's worth. There was some minor freezing on ABC last night TWC 707 and OTA 7.1 between 9 and 10 pm.

I'm strictly on OTA and Boston Legal on Tuesday and Pushing Daises yesterday were both perfectly fine for me this week. Pushing Daises had maybe 1-2 less-than-a-second little video glitch... which I probably blame a tree limb blowing in the breeze somewhere :)

I didn't record Private Practice from 9-10 so I don't know how that was. I recorded, but haven't watched yet, Dirty Sexy Money from 10-11 but I don't expect any issues.

I live in Tonawanda and have the atsc tuner with the olevia 227v.

Last night I watched Wednesday's Dirty Sexy Money and Thursday's Ugly Betty on WKBW. It's clear the problem has returned - via OTA. It was near perfect on Sunday night, good on Tues and early Wed but by the time DSM came on and then Thursday, it was back.

I haven't checked out last night's Grey's yet. Wonder if they'll be back in SD for the weekend again...

Oh, I saw some symptoms on GMA this morning too, which is a first.

Last night I watched Wednesday's Dirty Sexy Money and Thursday's Ugly Betty on WKBW. It's clear the problem has returned - via OTA. It was near perfect on Sunday night, good on Tues and early Wed but by the time DSM came on and then Thursday, it was back.

I haven't checked out last night's Grey's yet. Wonder if they'll be back in SD for the weekend again...

Oh, I saw some symptoms on GMA this morning too, which is a first.

Same via the SA8300. Just flipping around and after just a couple of seconds it was clear the problem is still there. On a up note the Sabres broadcast on Ch 700 was in great shape. None of the problems in the opener were present.

As of Thursday night the problems were still evident on WKBW HD. I have the ability to watch channel 7 OTA and via TW channnel 707 on an SA8300HD. The picture still has some breakups at times and other times the video does not move smoothly especially in scenes where the camera pans from one side to the other. It is not choppy, just not clean and smooth. So Channel 7 is a lot better, but not fixed. I experience no problems with any other stations in HD. As a side note the Sabres game on TW 700, the video went excellent, no dropouts and such.. The difference between the old SD version and the HD version is staggering. The old SD version always looked like mush to me. The HD version is very good. Not as good as the local networks OTA, but very good anyway. There were a few audio problems, but were more of a production issue as opposed to transmission issue.
Bernie

I have just gone through the better than antenna web, I will probably get an antenna today. My question is why are the transmitters not even near the TV stations. I live pretty close to channel 4 a lot closer than the 23.4 miles from what the website told me. Do stations have more than one transmitter?

That is only if you look under the "Licensee" collumn. WIVB also ownes WNLO on Grand Island.

Just checked the college football game and so far the channel is showing proper HD images. Lets just hope that this continues during the NASCAR race.

Watching ABC over the air on 7.1 and getting a strong 17 dB signal.

How's the quality on Sabres HD games on Time Warner cable?

Is it true that if you just have Roadrunner and no TV service from TWC, you still might be able to get some TV channels if you hook your TV up to the RR line? If so, which channels?

I have just gone through the better than antenna web, I will probably get an antenna today. My question is why are the transmitters not even near the TV stations. I live pretty close to channel 4 a lot closer than the 23.4 miles from what the website told me. Do stations have more than one transmitter?

Because the ideal place for a transmitter is not the same as the ideal place for offices.

Offices need not be centrally located and/or at a high elevation.

Is it true that if you just have Roadrunner and no TV service from TWC, you still might be able to get some TV channels if you hook your TV up to the RR line? If so, which channels?

I believe you need at least basic cable to get qam and even then you need a qam tuner in your set. Thru tw you would get all locals except wnlo i believe and tbs sd and the music channels. Hook it up though and give it a shot- you wont know until you try it- maybe you dont need basic cable.

I don't think the question was about QAM / HD... I think the poster is just wondering if ANY cable channels come in "by accident" if you have Internet service but not cable service from TW.

Is it true that if you just have Roadrunner and no TV service from TWC, you still might be able to get some TV channels if you hook your TV up to the RR line? If so, which channels?

Not if they put on the proper filters on the line at the tap.

You have nothing to complain about. .
Whatever, you sound like a WKBW apologist.

The FCC is going to care less that a broadcaster is having a temporary technical problem with their HD feed. Do you think the FCC really cares that you had to suffer thru watching a race in SD? Oh, the horror.
Temporary? It has been a problem for about 6 weeks now, with no ETA or end in sight. You call that temporary? No- if it was just me I do not think they would care, since it is probably thousands (an estimate, who knows how many are affected) of paying customers getting screwed by their cable company that blames it on WKBW, I think they might take notice. Also as you know it is not just "a race", it is all the prime-time premiers and most other pre-recorded HD content that is unwatchable on ABC HD over TWC. Don't try to diminish the problem.

WKBW is aware of the problem and working on it. Perhaps you'd get some better response if you didn't threaten them and call them incompetent.

Working on it? It takes six weeks to replace a router? We live in the modern world, when people try to take advantage of a situation, we don't have a shootout at high noon like in the old west, we sue. Maybe a class action lawsuit would give them a little incentive to get off their collective WKBW INCOMPETENT a**es and fix the problem. Calling them what they are proven to be shouldn't hurt their feelings, and no matter what I say to them it won't make a bit of difference. I don't want "some better response" as you so eloquently put it, I want the problem fixed, as do all the other paying customers out there who aren't getting what they pay for.

The NASCAR race on WKBW-HD Saturday night and Brothers & Sisters last night were both fine for me via Directv. How about those OTA and TWC?

The 'winer' is bad. He also reads what he wants to and misses everything else.

The NASCAR race on WKBW-HD Saturday night and Brothers & Sisters last night were both fine for me via Directv. How about those OTA and TWC?

Except for a few minutes near the end of the race where the picture went 4:3 SD and then switched back to 16:9 HD with a few minutes left, and the compression artifacts because of the bandwidth being used up to show WNGS/RTN on 7.2, it was better than last week.

The NASCAR race on WKBW-HD Saturday night and Brothers & Sisters last night were both fine for me via Directv. How about those OTA and TWC?
On TWC ABC HD (channel 707 here) Sunday night all the shows (Desperate Housewives, etc..) were unwatchable, stuttering really bad. I missed the race, and don't have an antenna for OTA comparison.

On a side note, SNL on NBC HD was messed up - quite a few times it never switched back to HDTV after the commercials.

The NASCAR race on WKBW-HD Saturday night and Brothers & Sisters last night were both fine for me via Directv. How about those OTA and TWC?


I watched DH and B&S live (well, while they were recording on the TiVo) via OTA.

A few little video glitches here and there... like less than 6 per hour.

It not for the past few weeks I would have blamed my signal strength but it probably was their fault. But again, maybe 6 1-2 second blips per hour.

I think I missed 1 1-2 seconds of dialog in DH.

On a side note, SNL on NBC HD was messed up - quite a few times it never switched back to HDTV after the commercials.

Yep, I saw that too on OTA. I'm sure it was just a one-time thing. Stuff happens ;)

Maybe a class action lawsuit...

Yea... you let us know how that works out for ya...

On TWC ABC HD (channel 707 here) Sunday night all the shows (Desperate Housewives, etc..) were unwatchable, stuttering really bad.

OTA DHW broke up about 7 or 8 times, but it was 'watchable' on 38-1.

I want the problem fixed, as do all the other paying customers out there who aren't getting what they pay for.

If you just use OTA- You dont have to pay and then there's no financial loss on your end -That solves that problem!

115.7 E! Not in HD
111.5 TBS NO HD
108.10 NASA
108.9 WNED
108.2 TV guide- which comes in better than 95
106.2 MY TV
87.11 Bridges
86.9-86.4 just audio FM station?
86.1 ESPN U
78.31-78.7 Music Choice

Still no PBS,FOX in HD. I might just get an antenna and get an A/B switch. All I want is two football games in HD! Is that too much to ask!

That sux, I get FoxHD on 106.1 and PBS-HD on 89.1 here in Lockport...wish we had the CW in HD tho!

I am thinking of moving to DirecTV tho, I mean they added 47 HD Channels in the past 30 days, including SciFI HD ! I am getting more and more tempted.

Anyone fish around for VS HD 'in the clear' for the game?

Would be nice..this SD feed on 71 really sucks....Going from ESPN 726 and the Monday Night game to 706 with the MLB ALCS game then to 71 is really a letdown...

Anyone fish around for VS HD 'in the clear' for the game?

I'm pretty sure the only games we get in HD this year are home games carried by MSG. Last night was a VS game so no local HD. But the majority of the home games are on MSG.

I am thinking of moving to DirecTV tho, I mean they added 47 HD Channels in the past 30 days, including SciFI HD ! I am getting more and more tempted.
Come on in - the water's fine!

I'm pretty sure the only games we get in HD this year are home games carried by MSG. Last night was a VS game so no local HD. But the majority of the home games are on MSG.
D* carries VS HD and the game looked amazing last night! Now if D* could just get MSG HD that would be sweet! (Which there are rumors the deal is close. D* website shows the MSG HD logo if you look for it.)

I should have clarified... "no local HD... on cable" :)

Not all of DTV's HD channels are showing much, if any, HD programming... yet. Don't get me wrong, what DirecTV is doing with HD lately is fantastic... just do your homework before making a switch. Like SciFi... ain't much HD to get excited about. Yet.

That sux, I get FoxHD on 106.1 and PBS-HD on 89.1 here in Lockport...wish we had the CW in HD tho!

I am thinking of moving to DirecTV tho, I mean they added 47 HD Channels in the past 30 days, including SciFI HD ! I am getting more and more tempted.
I get Fox, PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS all on a series of 2.1 stations. The only HD I get on the upper stations is the Sabres on 94.1.

I should have clarified... "no local HD... on cable" :)

Not all of DTV's HD channels are showing much, if any, HD programming... yet. Don't get me wrong, what DirecTV is doing with HD lately is fantastic... just do your homework before making a switch. Like SciFi... ain't much HD to get excited about. Yet.
True. But the upconverted SD most of the new HD channels are showing is much better than regular SD. And then when an HD show does come on, well... oh baby!

Perhaps I missed it, but have any of you OTA-ers noticed a huge reduction in signal strength on FOX 29? Over the summer, I recall full throttle. Now, I get 1 or 2 blinking bars; and I'm only 9 miles away from Grand Island. In fact, I pull in CBC much better!

I get Fox, PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS all on a series of 2.1 stations. The only HD I get on the upper stations is the Sabres on 94.1. Always interesting how different TVs' interpret the PSIP (?) data.
Interesting, 94.1 doesn't get re-mapped. What TV do you have?

direct tv has sabres blue jakeckts in hd on ch 94 friday night. This is promising news. This could finally mean they got the msg broadcast rights to the sabres hd homes games from msg. Unless they are picking up the columbus hd feed if there is one.

direct tv has sabres blue jakeckts in hd on ch 94 friday night. This is promising news. This could finally mean they got the msg broadcast rights to the sabres hd homes games from msg. Unless they are picking up the columbus hd feed if there is one.
Very interesting! I hope this is good news and hope they show it. After watching the VS HD game on Monday night it's going to be hard to watch an SD game.

2 more FSN HD channels (Pittsburgh and Midwest) went live today on D* but still no MSG HD.

Stay tuned for The NHL Network on Time Warner. Robin Wolfgang, the spokesperson for the cable company, said today the channel will be added to the system shortly.

"We know our customers like hockey and it seemed like a good option," said Wolfgang.

The NHL Network is carrying 40 games this season, including three involving the Buffalo Sabres. Two of the three games are also on Versus and the third is on local rights-holder MSG. The NHL Network feed will be blacked out here for those games.

It may cost subscribers more money to get the channel here. If subscribers already get T-W's sports and movie package for $5 monthly, they will continue to pay that rate, Wolfgang said.

However, T-W is creating separate sports and movie tiers, with each costing $4 monthly, Wolfgang said. New subscribers to each tier can choose to pay $4 for one tier or $8 for both, Wolfgang said.

apergament@buffnews.com

directv will have it no later than nov 1st. Also, i heard again today that msg and fsnny hd will be coming very soon to direct

Stay tuned for The NHL Network on Time Warner. Robin Wolfgang, the spokesperson for the cable company, said today the channel will be added to the system shortly.

"We know our customers like hockey and it seemed like a good option," said Wolfgang.

The NHL Network is carrying 40 games this season, including three involving the Buffalo Sabres. Two of the three games are also on Versus and the third is on local rights-holder MSG. The NHL Network feed will be blacked out here for those games.

It may cost subscribers more money to get the channel here. If subscribers already get T-W's sports and movie package for $5 monthly, they will continue to pay that rate, Wolfgang said.

However, T-W is creating separate sports and movie tiers, with each costing $4 monthly, Wolfgang said. New subscribers to each tier can choose to pay $4 for one tier or $8 for both, Wolfgang said.

apergament@buffnews.com

... it's nice to post the source...

http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/186249.html

WKBW OTA was perfect last night for Pushing Daises and Dirty Sexy Money.

How was TWC?

WKBW OTA was perfect last night for Pushing Daises and Dirty Sexy Money.

How was TWC?

I landed on there for about ten seconds last night and it still looks like crap. I have no idea what was on, but the stuttering was there.

I landed on there for about ten seconds last night and it still looks like crap. I have no idea what was on, but the stuttering was there.

I had recorded Boston Legal on my TW Sa8300HD. I watched it on Wednesday. The video is still not smooth. It is not real choppy, just choppy enough to be annoying. Wish channel 7 would fix this problem. No issues on any other stations live or recorded.
Bernie

Always interesting how different TVs' interpert the PSID (?) data.
Interesting, 94.1 doesn't get re-mapped. What TV do you have?
Bruce:

Its a Vizio 32". I don't remember the model exactly but I got it in January. FYI, the QAM version of the Sabres games looks better than 700 on my cabel box.

I landed on there for about ten seconds last night and it still looks like crap. I have no idea what was on, but the stuttering was there.

Same, sat down and watched it for a bit towards the end it was pretty much unwatchable. TW Cable SA8300

the QAM version of the Sabres games looks better than 700 on my cabel box.That's absolutely no surprise. ;)

Ugly Betty had a second or two of stuttering towards the end last night, OTA. Damn, I guess it's not totally fixed yet even in OTA.

I'm gonna email them again. This is going on far too long...

Their GM replied again (and quickly, just like last time). Here's the latest on WKBW's issues.

"We aren't yet 100%. The router was replaced but now one of the encoders is malfunctioning. Vendor is sending out a replacement. To get us through the weekend my chief is considering retroing the old HD equipment. I am waiting his decision."

I gave him a link to join us here so maybe him or one of the engineers will pop in.

I'm not getting Ch29 (Fox) HD QAM on my Samsung 4071 HD set's cable scan (Time Warner Cable)

I do get the MSG-HD Sabres when they're on,
I get music/digital SD channels, like 111-4 then it goes to:

1-1 E1_1 WGRZ
1-1 E2_1 WNED
1-2 E1_2 WIVB
1-3 E2_3 WKBW

Then it goes to CH2 analog.
Missing is Ch29 HD QAM
Any ideas? I'm not sure it ever came in on this set, it's new and I wanted to watch Cops in HD and couldn't locate it.

Edit - More: My other Samsung HD tv (19" model) does get the channel, it's there. Of course I'm hesitant to rescan on that set and lose the station. Shows up as 1-1 3_1 on that one.
And yes I do have antenna hooked up for CTV and CBC HD, but it's pointed at canada and the usa stations can get flakey because of that.

Because of the apparent playing with their PSID data, and all these bogus channel numbers, AFAIC TW is purposely f*cking with the way non company supplied tuners handle the un-encripted cable channels.
There is no other acceptable reason for this as it has changed twice in the past year or more.

Erect an antenna and watch it that way.

Where is the HD of the Bills game?

Its on ? 4-1

Its on ? 4-1

Whent hey first went to the game it was Sd. HD came on just prior to kick.

msg hd is listed on directv website in the scrolling banner

msg hd is listed on directv website in the scrolling banner

It sure is, but can we get Sabres games in HD though...

elcrusho; Welcome to the forums. I think you are the first from South Bflo.

Hey Thanks...

Just found this online...

I'm still debating about switching from TWC to Direct TV because of all the HD Channels...but if I can't watch the Sabres games in HD then I'm prob. not gonna switch

You looking at HD Lite?? ;) I'm waiting for Verizon FiOS TV. :(

Ever consider erecting a outdoor antenna?

I've been watching this thread since I got my TV a few weeks ago and I must thank everyone for all the important info I've gleaned. I just wanted to post my reception issues for reference. I have an outdoor antenna and pick up pretty much all the local digital channels, I believe it is 16 in all, and have the same reception problems with 7 (ABC) as everyone else. I currently have Dish Network and plan to upgrade to the HD package soon, but for now I'll stay with the OTA signals as most of what I watch now is network stuff.

Thanks again for all the great info and I'm looking forward to posting when I have something to discuss. Right now, I'm just really impressed by the quality of HD and DTV.

aulicny; Another welcome to the forums to you.
Two in one morning.

Ok, how does CFTO ch 40.1 come in and what antenna?

You looking at HD Lite?? ;) I'm waiting for Verizon FiOS TV. :(

Ever consider erecting a outdoor antenna?

videobruce - Did you see the blurb about verizon on tvpredictions.com about how far behind fios is in terms of HD channels compared to cable/ satellite.

I'm personally waiting for Fios TV as well as i'm not a fan of 2yr contracts and leased equipment D* is currently offering.

I'm using an old AntennaMaster (unknown model-sun faded labels) that was left on the roof when we bought the house in May 2006. It doesn't have a motor control unit hooked up, so I had to manually turn it to approx south to get the local channels. While I was experimenting with direction, I was able to get some Canadian channels (CFTO included), but without the motor controller, I decided to just keep it aimed towards the south.

aulicny; There is plenty of HD programming up north. Sounds as you need a fresh install. Dump the antenna, add a rotor (a must!) and replace the cable. $150 should do it. That's 2 months of cable or satellite service.

jimdoo; Do you mean this;
http://www.tvpredictions.com/verizon102207.htm
Screw their IPTV. Thats' just another form of SDV that will render QAM tuners and CCs' obsolete.

Yes - what do you mean by CC's? - Does this mean FIOS Tv will be eventually going to a system like ATT's Uverse- IPTV?

My CN Tower facing yagi lost 38 from last night through this morning. My attic omni did not. Just curious, anyone else notice anything strange?

I don't think Verizon's plans are for IPTV. That's AT&T. Verizon's fiber is plenty big to carry plenty of HD.

"CCs" are CableCARDs which (currently) aren't two-way communication devices so they don't work with things like VOD, SDV or IPTV which require a signal be sent back to the head-end.

Verizon currently supports CableCARDs just like cable companies.

We do alot of over-analyzing and complaining here but I would like to thank WUTV for perfect PQ and audio last night during game 1 of the WS. Well done WUTV!

I don't think Verizon's plans are for IPTV. That's AT&T. Verizon's fiber is plenty big to carry plenty of HD.

"CCs" are CableCARDs which (currently) aren't two-way communication devices so they don't work with things like VOD, SDV or IPTV which require a signal be sent back to the head-end.

Verizon currently supports CableCARDs just like cable companies.

What does this mean then?

To create more room for HD channels and other programming, Strickland said Verizon is moving to deliver all TV programming over Internet Protocol (IP) lines by 2009.

I read the article and didn't even see that line! My bad.

BOO! to Verizon then. Stick with the fiber.

Has anyone else noticed audio distortion on the CW? Is seems to be on the program, but not the commercials. I noticed it on Gossip Girl and Smallville.

Anyone in Buffalo -getting the Omni's - from canada- I was getting CFTO for a while yesterday and CBLFT! They are reporting on DHC the omni's are back on- not sure if it's testing or permanent.

WKBW seems to be fixed completely now from what I have seen so far. I guess if enough people complain, after 2 months or so they will fix their malfunctioning equipment. It is ridiculous that it took that long though.

Someone mentioned getting it OTA.. if I could I would. Maybe next year when I buy my own house, instead of renting.

Two months? I didn't notice it until the first week of fall premieres which was the end of Sept. It's the end of Oct. now.

Also... I rent and get every local channel with a $20 indoor Silver Sensor placed about 20ft from my TV on a mantle. Have you tried? You may not be as lucky as me but it's worth a shot.

They had the usual errors this morning during the 6-7AM news.

I first noticed (and reported to TW) the problem about 3 full weeks before all the premiers came out- watching desperate Housewives.. Estimating, I think it was about 7 weeks ago or so from last Sun when I noticed it was fixed. I would have to check my records where I wrote it down -if I did.. I wrote down the date of a lot of my calls to TW during that time period. I'm just glad it is fixed and hope it doesn't happen again anytime soon.

Anyway... care to link to that antenna? Is that the brand name or product line name? I'd try it, but on this ground floor apartment I'm not sure it would work. It's worth a try though, especially for 20 bucks.

Anyone in Buffalo -getting the Omni's.

Try 64-1. The signal seems to be much stronger than 44-1.

Try 64-1. The signal seems to be much stronger than 44-1.

I guess 15kw just aint strong enough to get all the way across the lake to NT- can you tell em to crank it up to about 30kw - I get CBC no problem- :)

care to link to that antenna? Is that the brand name or product line name? I'd try it, but on this ground floor apartment I'm not sure it would work. It's worth a try though, especially for 20 bucks.
I have the same one. I'm still amazed at how good it is. Mine sits on top of my entertainment center in my first floor living room. Definitely worth a shot - if you can find one.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Philips-Silver-Sensor-Indoor-HDTV-Antenna-PHDTV1/sem/rpsm/oid/158311/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I have the same one. I'm still amazed at how good it is. Mine sits on top of my entertainment center in my first floor living room. Definitely worth a shot - if you can find one.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Philips-Silver-Sensor-Indoor-HDTV-Antenna-PHDTV1/sem/rpsm/oid/158311/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

Cool, I'll give it a shot.

Edit- I just ordered one from Amazon... "Electronics Expo" - very good deal.. less than that link by six bux after shipping.. I'll be trying OTA HDTV in a while.

i had the silver sensor for about 3 months before i got one outside. I am 14 miles north and south of the tower in s cheek. Anyway i got 2,4,7 at 100% and everything on the island above 85%, I just stuck it on top of my entertainment center and u did not even see it. It is a great antenna!

The Omnis-dt are broadcasting from on top of First Canadian Place therefore there range will be less the CBLT-dt on the CN Tower.I did record Smallville from analog CW and did hear sound issues.

I have been trying to understand what will happen to cable TV broadcasts in 2009, when analog stations are scheduled to be shut down. Is there any understanding of how TWC will cary TV signals to its customers after February 2009?

It may mean that every TV in the house would need a cable box (or possibly a cable card), to decode scrambled digital signals. I am hoping that this is not the case.

Today, analog tv comes into "cable ready" tuners for channels 2-99. I assume that, at a minimum, TWC could send these same stations out unscrambled, so QAM tuners could receive the same stations that they get today without a box. (there would be no cable guide, PPV, VOD, etc. just as there is none today for an analog cable ready hook-up.) While they could do this, whether they want to would be an open question.

In theory, I think TWC could also take the digital transmissions they receive and send them out over the existing analog channels alowing everything to work as it does today, but I doubt they will do this.

If every set needs a box, it will mean a lot of hardware upgrades for customers. Anyone know the plan?

The analog shutdown only affects over the air broadcasts.

Cable broadcasters are not mandated to change anything.

However, eventually all cable stations will be VOLUNTARILY moved from analog to digital so the cable companies can deliver more with the same bandwidth.

The ONLY people who will suddenly lose TV in 2009 are people using analog antennas.

what about all those handheld tv's? I have one with a 3in screen. Will these no longer work at all?

Does it work by getting signals via analog antenna? If so, then yes, it will no longer receive anything.

Cable broadcasters are not mandated to change anything. Actually, they are now required to have their local analog channels available untill 2012;
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6477713.htmlthe FCC voted 5-0 at about 10 p.m. to require cable systems to distribute local TV stations that demand carriage in both analog and digital formats for a three-year period starting Feb. 18, 2009. That’s the day after all 1,756 full-power TV stations must turn off their analog signalWhat isn't apparent is what is going to happen to all the non local OTA analog channels in the basic tiers?? :confused:

the FCC voted 5-0 at about 10 p.m. to require cable systems to distribute local TV stations that demand carriage in both analog and digital formats for a three-year period starting Feb. 18, 2009. That’s the day after all 1,756 full-power TV stations must turn off their analog signals and rely exclusively on their digital feeds. Cable systems that are all-digital are exempt from the FCC’s dual carriage mandate.

I guess it is still too early to tell. Cable companies can offer analog after Feb 2009, and they can go all digital. It would still remain to be seen if they would keep the same type of "unscrambled" line up available to customers either via analog or QAM.

I guess its just "stay tuned" . . . .

were any of the last weeks worth of sabre's games available on TW HD channels, - available in HD - either with the cable box, or QAM signals?

I could not find any of the MSG games in HD.
My HD box Ch700 had some type of commercial, couldnt locate anything QAM.
Just want to make sure it wasn't me...

Only the home games are going to be on MSG-HD, either ch700 or QAM. There are also a few home games on VS which won't be on MSG-HD but there's only a handful of those.

Can somebody point me to a list of current QAM channels available on TWC-Buffalo. I have searched back a little over a month, but did not find (or overlooked) anything more recent than that.

All you'll get is locals (2, 4, 7, 29, PBS), 2 digital simulcast channels (E! and TBS), MSG-HD home Sabres games, and tons of music and VOD preview channels.

Where you'll find those channels on your tuner is up for grabs depending on your hardware.

Looks like Time Warner added VS HD on Ch 771...

so they counter Direct TV's 70 channels by adding 1 we already had last spring...haha amazing

I hope they start adding more, I already know 3 people that already switched to Direct TV

Looks like Time Warner added VS HD on Ch 771...

so they counter Direct TV's 70 channels by adding 1 we already had last spring...haha amazing

I hope they start adding more, I already know 3 people that already switched to Direct TV

Well I guess it is better than nothing. Now we can get a couple of additional Sabres games in HD. I wish I could switch back to D*, but I do not have a look at the sats so I am stuck with TW for now. The latest rumor is FIOS TV will be available in Orchard Park, Hamburg, and West Seneca in August. I already have the internet service and if they get there HD act together by then I will have no reason to stay with TW.

Where'd you hear the rumor about FiOS TV in the area in August? Last I heard (last month) they hadn't even petitioned any local town for the rights yet.

Anyone find VS HD on QAM yet?

Yes, I found Vs HD on 94.2 a few days ago..it went off the next day..haven't checked today though...94.1 is MSG-HD for me...so nice that they are together I guess! :)

Yes, D* is getting so tempting...I am with TW until the end of the year...if no good plan...I will say hello 100 HD channels! :)

Yes, D* is getting so tempting...I am with TW until the end of the year...if no good plan...I will say hello 100 HD channels! :)
Come on in, the water's fine! All the D* HD is great. The only thing TW has is the Sabres home HD games. I'd be happy to answer any D* questions you may have. And if you do sign up, PM me and I can save you (and me) $50.

Where'd you hear the rumor about FiOS TV in the area in August? Last I heard (last month) they hadn't even petitioned any local town for the rights yet.

I saw it over on dslreports in the FIOS thread. Verizon is building a video hub in Buffalo. So until that is completed there won't be much news on FIOS TV. That is the earliest I have seen anything mentioned. My guess would be sometime in the last quarter of 08' from what I have read.

As reported a couple of months ago, West Seneca was the first CO (Central Office) to get wired for FiOS and Main St. is the 2nd that is in the process now. My info was from a Verizon service tech and he said next Spring, but that now sounds very optimistic.

Unless I missed it, Verizon posted a press release a month ago regarding local FiOS TV service;

http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2007/verizon-takes-first-step-to.html Verizon announced plans Thursday (Sept. 20) to establish a video hub office in Erie County.Verizon will begin construction on the video hub facility and expects to start offering FiOS TV service in parts of Erie County late next year. Verizon customers in the towns and villages of Hamburg and Orchard Park, parts of West Seneca, Amherst and Cheektowaga, and in parts of the University District in Buffalo, already enjoy ultra-fast FiOS Internet service We are??? Sounds as they are screwing the city again as usual by wireing towards the NE away from the rest of the Main St. CO. :mad:Verizon is waiving the installation fee for up to three existing TV outlets, and there is no charge to install a needed optical network terminal at the subscriber's home.

no sign of them in T of T

Come on, Bruce... you won't believe what you read in blogs but you'll believe a press release?! ;)

There was an article in The Buffalo News in late Sept (9/21 actually, one day after the press release came out... gee, how much "reporting" was done for the story do you think?) stating Verizon's intention to offer TV service in 2008.

I emailed the reporter to ask if he had any info about Verizon actually starting negotiations with any local towns yet to be allowed to offer TV service. He said he had no info that they'd done so yet.

Call me cynical but I think Verizon's a bit too enthusiastic about when they can actually sell TV service to WNYers... looks like they got a lot of political work to be done still.

FiOS TV HD plans...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/verizon-revels-plan-to-launch-150-hd-channels-by-the-end-of-08/

Come on, Bruce... you won't believe what you read in blogs but you'll believe a press release?!Where exactly did I say I believed what was in this press release? As far "blogs", there isn't much difference between the two. Call me cynical but I think Verizon's a bit too enthusiastic about when they can actually sell TV service to WNYers While I'm usually "cynical", with this, I'm more optimistic since I welcome almost any alternative to TWC and especially satellite. As far as it selling, once installed, I'm sure it will since I know I'm not alone with my opinion.
Regarding the Political issues, if they don't wire the whole city, it will be a problem. Covering just the University district (since it happens to be 'on the way' out to the suburbs) isn't going to fly.

BTW Chris; I rarely see the paper and surely didn't see that or I would of posted something. I'm surprised you didn't (unless I missed it).

But Bruce, you DID post about the article :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11711882&postcount=3756

I think Verizon will have less of a problem getting approval from the suburbs like OP and Amherst. The City of Buffalo is likely to give them a problem if everyone within City limits can't get the TV service but my bet would be Verizon would "promise" to wire the entire city with a given timeframe. Whether they meet that promise would be another story... I'm sure Verizon has no real interest in running fiber in order to sell FiOS or FiOS TV to the worst parts of the East and West side.

In semi-related news, there was this article about possible additional free WiFi within the city: http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/196106.html

Ok, I did see it, but just forgot about it as it was just another Buffalo Snooze article. But, you were the one that posted the link. The City of Buffalo is likely to give them a problem if everyone within City limits can't get the TV service but my bet would be Verizon would "promise" to wire the entire city with a given timeframe. Agreed. I'm sure Verizon has no real interest in running fiber in order to sell FiOS or FiOS TV to the worst parts of the East and West side.I don't really think they care about Buffalo at all except as I stated except that Main St. along with the Hertel Ave., Bailey Ave. & South Park COs' also serve the surrounding suburbs.

Anyway. Sun TV ch 66.1 was alive and well last night, but only for a hour or so. 8:30p was solid. Then at 8:50p it was gone. :(

You can actualy get 66.1 ? I've never been able to get it because of that annoying 66 analog station out of Erie. VideoBruce won't you be able to get 15.1 anyways out of Hamilton come the analog shutdown in 09? Thats not that long a wait, or perhaps by then some of the Canadian stations will up the power.

66 Analog around Ft. Erie????? There is a analog 66 in Erie Pa. That's it.

This is the third time it was receivable here.

No Bills in HD on CBS? Is that via the NFL (No HD cameras at the game) or because we didn't flip the switch...this blows...no Buffalo HD sports in awhile! :)

And it looks like the Miami/Bills game won't be in HD next week either. The preview of the upcoming games next week on CBS only showed the late game as being in HD.
Bernie

No Bills in HD on CBS? Is that via the NFL (No HD cameras at the game) or because we didn't flip the switch...this blows...no Buffalo HD sports in awhile! :)
The Bills game was the one CBS didn't broadcast in HD this week. No mistakes on anyone's part. CBS doesn't have enough HD cameras to cover all their games.

And it looks like the Miami/Bills game won't be in HD next week either. The preview of the upcoming games next week on CBS only showed the late game as being in HD.
Bernie
All the CBS games are listed in HD for next weekend (Nov 11).
http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

I think I know what berniez is talking about. CBS showed a screen showing which games were on next week at 1pm and then, under that, the single game on at 4pm. And under that was a standard "CBS Sports HD" logo. It DID make it look like the HD logo belonged to the 4pm game since it was adjacent to it but I think the HD logo was just at the bottom of everything.

I think I know what berniez is talking about. CBS showed a screen showing which games were on next week at 1pm and then, under that, the single game on at 4pm. And under that was a standard "CBS Sports HD" logo. It DID make it look like the HD logo belonged to the 4pm game since it was adjacent to it but I think the HD logo was just at the bottom of everything.
Maybe since each game is in HD next week, they put the HD logo up just once instead of after each game. I know the screen you are both talking about. I always check the CBS page I linked to. Plus the game is in my guide and listed for HD next week at 1PM.

Anyone see NBCs Sunday Night Football preview show?

The Bills/Cinci highlights were VERY CLEARLY in HD with usual CBS scorecard overlay in corner.

The November 18th Bills/Patriots game has been moved to the Sunday prime time game on NBC. Two home prime time games in 1 season!

Do you think that this product would be good for me? For example in the future do you think cable companies would unscramble the high def channels like espn etc. http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-High-Definition-Terrestrial-Tuner-DTB-H260F/sem/rpsm/oid/164855/catOid/-15607/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

That product will never get you ESPN. It's a tuner to get over-the-air channels with an antenna, if your TV doesn't already have an antenna-in and a tuner.

And no, I don't think cable companies will ever (in the near future) unscramble any channels they don't legally have to.


In other news... I wish someone at FOX would wake up and go back to HD for Prison Break. God, how long have these stations been doing this? Screw-ups like this happen way too often.

EDIT - spoke too soon... back to HD after about a half hour in SD...

And WKBW - thanks but no thanks for kicking us out of HD for your stupid "win a iPod Touch, watch the news at 11pm" promo last night.

I think I know what berniez is talking about. CBS showed a screen showing which games were on next week at 1pm and then, under that, the single game on at 4pm. And under that was a standard "CBS Sports HD" logo. It DID make it look like the HD logo belonged to the 4pm game since it was adjacent to it but I think the HD logo was just at the bottom of everything.
That is exactly what I saw. I made an assumption that just the Nov 11th 4PM game was to be shown in HD. Generally CBS has the HD logo after each game available in HD. Apparently they chose to just put one logo at the bottom of the screen. CBS has been unreliable in showing games in HD due to lack of cameras. It seems the games going to the biggest markets always get first shot at the HD broadcast. My understanding is the contract CBS has with the NFL will require CBS to show all games in HD next year.

anyone with directv having trouble picking up the new hd channels due to the snow today. I get everything else in fine including the corresponding sd channels. All my channels from the new bird are searching for signals

I'll check when I get home. Today would be the first test of the new MPEG4 HD channels in snow. One possible problem of bad reception could be the build up of wet snow on your dish. When real wet snow builds up on my dish, I lose signal but it comes back once I clean it off. I'm lucky I can reach mine from the ground with a broom. But that usually affects all channels, not just certain ones.

thanks for the info. First i lost just mpeg 4 channels. About a hour later i lost everything on all recievers in the house. I went out and upon coming home tonight about 4 hrs later all is back to normal. My problem i see now is my dish is on the roof of a two story house and i can not reach at all. I am hoping it is just a heavy wet snow isolated event and this does not happen everytime it starts snowing this winter

No snow in Wheatfield yesterday so I couldn't test my MPEG4. In the 5 winters I've had D* so far, I can think of only 5 or 6 times I had to clean off my dish. Not every snow will cause a problem, at least it hasn't for me.

I have yet to see VersusHD through my QAM tuner , has anyone else ?

Currently getting:
1.1 WGRZ
1.2 WIVB
1.3 WKBW
89.1 WNED
94.1 SABRES
106.1 WUTV
106.2 WNYO

Thanks
Murray

I have yet to see VersusHD through my QAM tuner , has anyone else ?

Currently getting:
1.1 WGRZ
1.2 WIVB
1.3 WKBW
89.1 WNED
94.1 SABRES
106.1 WUTV
106.2 WNYO

Thanks
Murray

Looks like they have chosen to encrypt it

What's 94.1 Sabres?

It wasn't encrypted on Friday, I recorded Friday's game on my TiVo over QAM. I get it on channel 0, which is where I also get FOX. Different tuners interpret the bogus "channel" info differenly.

Note: it's only on during home Sabres games. ANY OTHER TIME it just shows VOD previews. There's a home game tonight. Scan away.

EDIT: Oops, sorry... I now realize you said VersusHD, not MSG-HD.

Yes, I believe VersusHD is encrypted. Sorry about that!

Antenna party on Elmwood Ave. comming up;
http://www.buffalonews.com/145/story/202082.html A 35-foot-tall antenna will also need to be installed at the Elmwood Avenue site to receive the digital signals.......and it's not even one of the COs' that are getting wired for FiOS.

I'm still hopeful but skeptical about this part.

"The telecommunications company will need to sign franchise agreements with local governments here before it can start selling TV signals over its fiber network."

We can go down and sign it. ;)