I remember that Verizon used to offer a deal with DirecTV to provide DSL & satellite service bundled together. Is this long gone???

Also, for those with DirecTV, do you have to subscribe to that big sports package to get the Sabres?

thnx

I remember that Verizon used to offer a deal with DirecTV to provide DSL & satellite service bundled together. Is this long gone???


I think it's still around. It was their way of offering a "triple play" even though they didn't offer TV themselves in most major markets.


Also: FiOS TV coming to Hamburg:

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/318099.html

Yes Verizon still offers the DTV deal and you do not have to get the full sports pack to get Sabres games. YES, MSG, SNY are considered local sports nets.

Heres hoping Orchard Park follows on the 16th.

Also, for those with DirecTV, do you have to subscribe to that big sports package to get the Sabres?

you do not have to get the full sports pack to get Sabres games. YES, MSG, SNY are considered local sports nets.
Also, we now get Sports Time Ohio (STO) which carries the Indians games on 657 and 657-1 HD if you have the Choice Xtra or higher package (but no separate sports pack is required). STO SD on 657 is 24x7, but right now STO HD on 657-1 is game only - once D* newest sat is operational, it should go 24x7 (just like YES, MSG and SNY).

Trying to tie up loose ends and dump Time Warner and get DirecTV.

1) Which direction does the dish point?

2) For some one with the HD DVR box, does it have a "copy to VCR" function and does it give a decent picture?

(Time Warner supplies the SA8300 in WNY and it works fine, but other cable companies/other locations have versions of the software which makes the "copy to VCR" function virtually useless!!!)

Trying to tie up loose ends and dump Time Warner and get DirecTV.

1) Which direction does the dish point?
The dish looks south-southwest at 99°, 101°, 103°, 110° and 119°.

2) For some one with the HD DVR box, does it have a "copy to VCR" function and does it give a decent picture?
All the outputs are live on the HR2x series and yes you can back up to a VCR. I've not done it, but know others have, so I can't comment on how exactly it works. I imagine just hit record a second or two before beginning playback on the HR2x.

If you're interested in seeing the D* setup in person, send me a PM - I'm just over the Amherst border in Wheatfield. We can probably work out a time. I think we have same Sony E50A10 TV too (I've seen you post in it's thread) so that could give you an idea of the Directv PQ on that TV.

The dish looks south-southwest at 99°, 101°, 103°, 110° and 119°.


All the outputs are live on the HR2x series and yes you can back up to a VCR. I've not done it, but know others have, so I can't comment on how exactly it works. I imagine just hit record a second or two before beginning playback on the HR2x.

If you're interested in seeing the D* setup in person, send me a PM - I'm just over the Amherst border in Wheatfield. We can probably work out a time. I think we have same Sony E50A10 TV too (I've seen you post in it's thread) so that could give you an idea of the Directv PQ on that TV.

Thanks for the offer of a visit....not sure if I need one, but I'll PM you shortly.

1) My concern with the "copy to VCR" function is that certain cable cos in certain locations make this feature totally useless, either through incompetence or they consciously mung it up to prevent people archiving shows/movies.

I've never heard anything about the satellite guys doing that, but thought I'd ask before I switch!!!

I know you could do it on D* older DVRs (I actually did do it once or twice a long time ago on those models), and I'm 99% sure you can with their current HD DVR HR2x series.

I don't even have my VCR hooked up to anything anymore.

I know you could do it on D* older DVRs (I actually did do it once or twice a long time ago on those models), and I'm 99% sure you can with their current HD DVR HR2x series.

I don't even have my VCR hooked up to anything anymore.

Actually, I also abandoned my VCR long ago, but I hooked up a very inexpensive DVR recorder and it works great for archiving shows/movies!!!

A DVD recorder you mean? Yeah, I've heard people say that works just the same as a VCR.

Well my DB8 is up and running at home. Single story ranch in snyder, CBC is fantastic. I'll be adding a rotor in a bit. With 56 feet of coax from the antenna to my TV(sony kv34xbr960) should I add a preamp?

A DVD recorder you mean? Yeah, I've heard people say that works just the same as a VCR.

Yes, a DVD recorder.

It was less than $100, functions perfectly using the "copy to VCR" function, and the quality is sooo much better than the VCR tapes I used to make!

When is WNLO going to fix the sound .WNLO -d has a crackling distortion during loud passages from mostly the left channel.Really annoying easily heard during opening song on Smallville tonight.

Well my DB8 is up and running at home. Single story ranch in snyder, CBC is fantastic. I'll be adding a rotor in a bit. With 56 feet of coax from the antenna to my TV(sony kv34xbr960) should I add a preamp?

Another person getting cbc..... i feel soooo left out of the loop. I think my house is in the deadest spot for reception in buffalo.

FUCCO; You should also be getting CTV and flyngaudio might have a shot also.

FUCCO; You should also be getting CTV and flyngaudio might have a shot also.


I can't pick up any canadien digital stations. I just bought a new 47" lcd with atsc tuner. I hooked it up to my db8 and i only got canadien analog stations. I did get cbc analog but not the digital one.

I think I asked this before, how does analog 41 & 47 come in? Noise free, some noise, 50% noise, or worse?

Then how about ch. 19, 25, 52, 57 & 69? Anything there especially analog 57 which is the weakest analog out of Toronto.

titantv.com is listing the following new channels on TWC Digital for Lake View (14085 Zip Code)

CNNHD 1020
OUTHDE 1042
MSG HD 1043
FOODHD 1045
SNYHD 1046

Is anyone getting these?

Yahoo lists

NHLHD on 1044

I lost CBC tonight for hockey. I never loose CBC, anyone else having problems tonight?

CBC is down for me too.

I see that WNED is now using 17.1, 17.2 and 17.3 instead of 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3. Does anyone know when WNED will have their listings updated on www.zap2it.com? They are still listed as 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3 on there.

I ask because my Directv DVR uses the info form the zap2it.com site to populate my OTA channels in the guide. On my D* DVR, WNED is still coming in at 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3, while on my TV they're now at 17.1, 17.2 and 17.3.

i just bought a hr20-700 so now i have two. One listed the 43 and the new one lists them as 17. Maybe if u reset the ota it will download the new 17

I see that WNED is now using 17.1, 17.2 and 17.3 instead of 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3. Does anyone know when WNED will have their listings updated on www.zap2it.com? They are still listed as 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3 on there.

I ask because my Directv DVR uses the info form the zap2it.com site to populate my OTA channels in the guide. On my D* DVR, WNED is still coming in at 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3, while on my TV they're now at 17.1, 17.2 and 17.3.

My TiVo also uses Zap2It and is affected. I emailed TiVo about the lineup correction last week. It usually takes 1-2 weeks. TiVo will contact Zap2It to correct it and then the change will cascade down to ALL devices that use Zap2It (including your DTV DVR).

I notice a fair number of homes have 2 satellite dishes on their roofs.

I assume the "standard" channels fit on the main one. What's on the other???

thnx

My TiVo also uses Zap2It and is affected. I emailed TiVo about the lineup correction last week. It usually takes 1-2 weeks. TiVo will contact Zap2It to correct it and then the change will cascade down to ALL devices that use Zap2It (including your DTV DVR).
Everything is still coming in fine on my D* DVR on 43.1, 43.2 and 43.3, but with the premier of Carrier on the 27th, I just don't want any surprises.
I notice a fair number of homes have 2 satellite dishes on their roofs.

I assume the "standard" channels fit on the main one. What's on the other???

Around here, you need two dishes to get all the locals from E*. D* only needs 1 dish. In other parts of the country it's the opposite, although I think the FCC is trying to phase out both companies from requiring you to need 2 dishes.

anyone use both the db8 and cm4228. I have the db8 and wondering if it is worth getting the cm4228 to pickup cbc (if possible). I can pickup everything in buffalo at least 90% with the db8

Around here, you need two dishes to get all the locals from E*. D* only needs 1 dish. In other parts of the country it's the opposite, although I think the FCC is trying to phase out both companies from requiring you to need 2 dishes.

Very interesting. One question, is it safe to assume that E* is the D..H Network?

Also, with D*, will I need my own antenna to get WIVB HD?

thnx

Over the last week I seem to have completely lost my weak T.O. stations, CITY 57.1. and SUN 66.1. My signals were very watchable coming in at 50% signal strength, and now not coming in at all. About 300 yards from the antenna is a forest that is taller than the antenna. My current theories are that either the forest is budding or CITY and SUN both reduced thier already significantly weak signals.

Does anyone know if leaf budding in the spring would cause something like this? Thanks

Very interesting. One question, is it safe to assume that E* is the D..H Network?

Also, with D*, will I need my own antenna to get WIVB HD?

thnx
D* = Directv
E* = Dish Network/Echostar
(sorry should have specified that earlier)

Currently with D* you will need an antenna to get 4, 17 (43), 23 and 49 in HD as they don't offer them in HD yet (they do offer all of them in SD). They do offer 2, 7 and 29 in HD. I have D* HR20 HD DVR, which has a built-in OTA tuner. OTA channels are integrated right into the guide - the only difference is they are color coded a bit different than the sat channels. I can perform all the DVR functions on the OTA channels just the same as sat channels. I use the Silver Sensor (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PM-HDTV1-Silver-Sensor-Antenna/dp/B00022O9VM) antenna and it is great. It sits on top of my entertainment center. I still get amazed every time I watch CSI in HD that I recorded it off an antenna!

Earlier this year, D* started phasing out the HR20 and are now shipping the HR21, which does not have a built in OTA tuner. BUT, D* is in the final stages of testing a stand along OTA box (the AM21) that will connect to the HR21 via USB, and then it will function the same as the HR20. (D* rationale behind this was not all customers need OTA, so why should D* pay to put OTA tuners in every box? With their new line of thinking, just those that want OTA can get it. Also the HR21 is cheaper for the customer than the HR20 was.)

I highly suggest you visit www.dbstalk.com to learn as much as you could ever want to know about D*.

I notice a fair number of homes have 2 satellite dishes on their roofs.

I assume the "standard" channels fit on the main one. What's on the other???

thnx

For Dish Network, the extra "wing dish" is strictly for High Def or international programming. You only need 1 dish to get all Buffalo locals. As for Direct TV, I dunno, I got Dish not Direct.

D* = Directv
E* = Dish Network/Echostar
(sorry should have specified that earlier)

Currently with D* you will need an antenna to get 4, 17 (43), 23 and 49 in HD as they don't offer them in HD yet (they do offer all of them in SD). They do offer 2, 7 and 29 in HD. I have D* HR20 HD DVR, which has a built-in OTA tuner. OTA channels are integrated right into the guide - the only difference is they are color coded a bit different than the sat channels. I can perform all the DVR functions on the OTA channels just the same as sat channels. I use the Silver Sensor (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PM-HDTV1-Silver-Sensor-Antenna/dp/B00022O9VM) antenna and it is great. It sits on top of my entertainment center. I still get amazed every time I watch CSI in HD that I recorded it off an antenna!

Earlier this year, D* started phasing out the HR20 and are now shipping the HR21, which does not have a built in OTA tuner. BUT, D* is in the final stages of testing a stand along OTA box (the AM21) that will connect to the HR21 via USB, and then it will function the same as the HR20. (D* rationale behind this was not all customers need OTA, so why should D* pay to put OTA tuners in every box? With their new line of thinking, just those that want OTA can get it. Also the HR21 is cheaper for the customer than the HR20 was.)

I highly suggest you visit www.dsbtalk.com to learn as much as you could ever want to know about D*.

Very interesting! In fact, I just bought a Silver Sensor from amazon.com for someone who doesn't have a PC and I've been playing around with it on my Sony...pretty impressive, although I don't seem to get channel 7 at all!!??

Sooooo, when I get my HD DVR from D*, it's likely to be an HR21 and I'll have to wait until they start sending out AM21's?

Think they'll charge me extra for an AM21?

Any rumor when they might offer the locals in HD?

PS: I went to www.dsbtalk.com, but didn't see too much other than the link back to D*....did I miss something?

Well, fwiw, CITY and SUN are back for me at thier usual levels, I guess I don't need to worry about the leaf buds...until they become actual leaves.

Very interesting! In fact, I just bought a Silver Sensor from amazon.com for someone who doesn't have a PC and I've been playing around with it on my Sony...pretty impressive, although I don't seem to get channel 7 at all!!??

Sooooo, when I get my HD DVR from D*, it's likely to be an HR21 and I'll have to wait until they start sending out AM21's?

Think they'll charge me extra for an AM21?

Any rumor when they might offer the locals in HD?

PS: I went to www.dsbtalk.com, but didn't see too much other than the link back to D*....did I miss something?
Most likely you will get the HR21. People who decided they had to have the HR20 were going to a brick and mortar store to get one, but I'm not sure if Best Buy/Circuit City here has any left or if they are all HR21 too.

Field trials have been going on for awhile for the AM21. Check out this thread: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=123013

And here's another thread/review of the AM21: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=123012

It's very close. I think it will be $59. Some sites are even taking pre-orders.

I'm not sure when D* will offer 4, 17, 23 and 49 in HD. D* has reached an agreement with PBS to offer it in HD, so that should be happening sometime soon after D*'s newest satellite (D11) is operational. It's in orbit now and is in testing. As for 4 and 23, since both are owned by LIN TV, and they are holding out for more money before allowing D* to retransmit their digital signal, who knows how soon that will be. And 49 - I have no idea. Rumors and popular belief is that once D11 is operational, D* will start offering a lot more local HD channels (assuming they have a contract in place). And just to be clear, D* does offer 2, 7 and 29 in HD now (and they look just as good as OTA - at least to my 31 year old eyes!).

Check out these forums at dbstalk.com: http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=60&f=82

Field trials have been going on for awhile for the AM21. Check out this thread: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=123013

And here's another thread/review of the AM21: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=123012

Check out these forums at dbstalk.com: http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=60&f=82

FYI- initially I was directed to dsbtalk.com which is just a bunck of ad-links.

www.dbstalk.com is a wealth of info...it'll take me a while just to scratch the surface!!!!!

THNX!

dsbtalk.com - yes much different than dbstalk.com! Sorry for my typo in my initial reference to it. And yes, the knowledge is very deep there. D* employees actually post and partake in the discussion, though most do it covertly, but there is at least 1 admitted employee and he is very responsive.

66.1 (SUN TV analog ch. 52) & 65.1 (CIII analog 41) are comming in fine here tonight.
This is the 4th time I received 66.1 and the 1st time I have been able to receive 65.1.

CFTO ch. 40.1 level is 20db above normal. Most of the other Canadian stations are +10 db above normal tonight.

Great DX weather................

CHCH-dt is now also on the air on 18-1, broadcasting from Hamilton, Ontario. Has anyone in Buffalo picked up this signal yet

Ill try for 18-1 when I get my rotor up. hopefully tomorrow. Still just getting CBC for now, Preamp is in the mail.

I need to get rid of Time Warner... I have all the HD channels (about 23 of them, including all premiums), and my bill is going through the roof.

Even if I get more HD channels, I will still be better off with D* if it is more or the same monthly $$.. The compression TW is using is horrible.. macro blocking really bad. OTA is better, but I do not get all the stations with the Silver sensor.

I'm just wondering which dish company has more HD channels, and if I can use my 500GB external eSATA hard drive I am using with my current SA-8300HD with ease if I use D* or E*'s hardware? I see a few dish network dishes out the my back window (in the back yard) of my apartment, so someone must be using them around here, which means I can too. They have only been there less than 6 months or so, and I have been in this apartment for 5 years. It's hard to get through all the sales pitches they give you on the phone. No one seems to know what they are talking about and I get different answerers every time I call thee 800 numbers for dish network and direct TV..


EDIT-
one more thing I have not been able to find out- with dish "anything"- either one, can I watch a recorded HD program while recording two others simultaneously? I checked out dish network's best HD DVR and it did not say... It had a USB port, but no eSATA.. Can USB 2.0 handle the data-rate needed for recording two 1080i streams?

I need to get rid of Time Warner... I have all the HD channels (about 23 of them, including all premiums), and my bill is going through the roof.

Even if I get more HD channels, I will still be better off with D* if it is more or the same monthly $$.. The compression TW is using is horrible.. macro blocking really bad. OTA is better, but I do not get all the stations with the Silver sensor.

I'm just wondering which dish company has more HD channels, and if I can use my 500GB external eSATA hard drive I am using with my current SA-8300HD with ease if I use D* or E*'s hardware? I see a few dish network dishes out the my back window (in the back yard) of my apartment, so someone must be using them around here, which means I can too. They have only been there less than 6 months or so, and I have been in this apartment for 5 years. It's hard to get through all the sales pitches they give you on the phone. No one seems to know what they are talking about and I get different answerers every time I call thee 800 numbers for dish network and direct TV..


EDIT-
one more thing I have not been able to find out- with dish "anything"- either one, can I watch a recorded HD program while recording two others simultaneously? I checked out dish network's best HD DVR and it did not say... It had a USB port, but no eSATA.. Can USB 2.0 handle the data-rate needed for recording two 1080i streams?

I'm sure the pros will give you the details when they see your post, but, FWIW, I recently reached my limit with TW and have a late April date to switch to the Verizon/D* bundled package.

I went to the websites for the preliminary research, then called the 800 # to finalize.

I figure, for the approx. same class service, I'll save $400 in my first year.

There seemed to be a concensus that D* has it over E* around here!!

Good luck!!!

I need to get rid of Time Warner... I have all the HD channels (about 23 of them, including all premiums), and my bill is going through the roof.

Even if I get more HD channels, I will still be better off with D* if it is more or the same monthly $$.. The compression TW is using is horrible.. macro blocking really bad. OTA is better, but I do not get all the stations with the Silver sensor.

I'm just wondering which dish company has more HD channels, and if I can use my 500GB external eSATA hard drive I am using with my current SA-8300HD with ease if I use D* or E*'s hardware? I see a few dish network dishes out the my back window (in the back yard) of my apartment, so someone must be using them around here, which means I can too. They have only been there less than 6 months or so, and I have been in this apartment for 5 years. It's hard to get through all the sales pitches they give you on the phone. No one seems to know what they are talking about and I get different answerers every time I call thee 800 numbers for dish network and direct TV..


EDIT-
one more thing I have not been able to find out- with dish "anything"- either one, can I watch a recorded HD program while recording two others simultaneously? I checked out dish network's best HD DVR and it did not say... It had a USB port, but no eSATA.. Can USB 2.0 handle the data-rate needed for recording two 1080i streams?
Right now D* has more HD than E*. D* carries local 2, 7 and 29 in HD (and all the others in SD). I have D* HR20 HD DVR, which has a built-in OTA tuner. OTA channels are integrated right into the guide - the only difference is they are color coded a bit different than the sat channels. I can perform all the DVR functions on the OTA channels just the same as sat channels. I use the Silver Sensor antenna and it is great. It sits on top of my entertainment center. I still get amazed every time I watch CSI in HD that I recorded it off an antenna!

Earlier this year, D* started phasing out the HR20 and are now shipping the HR21, which does not have a built in OTA tuner. BUT, D* is in the final stages of testing a stand along OTA box (the AM21) that will connect to the HR21 via USB, and then it will function the same as the HR20. (D* rationale behind this was not all customers need OTA, so why should D* pay to put OTA tuners in every box? With their new line of thinking, just those that want OTA can get it. Also the HR21 is cheaper for the customer than the HR20 was.)

E* does not offer any local HD currently. If you are a Yankees fan, be aware that E* does not offer the YES network at all (no SD or HD); D* offers it both ways.

The D* HD DVR has an eSata port and you can connect your drive to it. It will replace the internal 300GB drive, so the best time to connect it would be right after you get your D* HD DVR (if you go that way).

The D* HD DVR can record 2 programs at the same time and you can watch a previously recorded one. I believe the E* DVR is the same, but I've never been an E* customer (been with D* 5+ years and love it).

Let me know if you have anymore questions.

Back on what is suppose to be a OTA thread, not DaveTV thread since satellite isn't "local";Local HDTV Info and Reception


FUCCO; Both antennas are the same design. If you want to try something different get the TD 91XG. The cheapest I have found it was $73 from 'The Nerds' and $74 from AntOnLine (both includes shipping);
http://www.antonline.com/p_91XG-PG_423299.htm

canada_habs2004; Probably the only way that would work is when analog 17 goes dark.

I have a LCD HD TV.I have TWC broadcast service(2-21) and the lowest tier of Broadband.Total monthly bill is around $32.00.They recently upgraded me to middle tier broadband for same price.I have NO digital box,just straight cable.When I do a scan I get 2-21 analog and all major networks in digital HD(NBC,CBS,ABC,FOX and WNEDHD) plus numerous music channels.All this for 32 bucks a month.I just lost WNEDHD and ABC digital.These channels always seemed weak,especially WNEDHD.I checked my connections and and swapped out a splitter for a new one and re-scanned.All channels came back plus they added WEATHERPLUS,ESPNNEWS and GOLF.My questions are,WNEDHD is the only channel that has some video-audio sync problems.Is there anything that can be done to correct this issue? Also, if anybody else is running the same setup,am I doing everything possible via QAM tuner to get all channels? I am happy with the channels I get without a cable box.Watching the Master golf,Hockey,nascar, basketball and football in HD is breathtaking.All for $30.00 per month,I'll take it. Thanks in advance for the replies.

Welcome to the forum. Watch the way you type 2-21. At first look I took it as channel 2, subchannel 21.

Any time you re-scan channels, it will delete the previous scan (unless you choose to add channels if the set has that option) so you start from scratch.
What channel numbers are all these channels you mentioned?
Can you hook at some external antenna and see how the off air signal is regarding the lipp-sync for WNED?

Great DX weather Saturday night. 5.1 was at 92% (normally 60%) for me and 9.1 was 60% (normally 30%). Still couldn't get anything from Rochester.

Being new to this stuff,I thought OTA was the only way to bring in HD channels.So I always used a powered RCA antenna and scanned on the antenna setting on the TV.Then just for the heck of it,I scanned TWC and got all the channels I was getting using an OTA antenna.So I ditched the OTA.By the way WNEDHD comes in fine OTA must be a TWC issue.On my most recent scan I started recieving ESPNU(86-7),bridges(87-21),speed(116-1),weatherplus(166-4),espnnews(116-5),golf(116-6) then the locals WGRZ(e1-1wg) WNEDHD(e2-1wn),WUTV(e2-1WU),WIVB(e1-2WI),WKBW(e2-3WK).Is this normal to recieve these channels with just a broadcast tier of programming? Does TWC add and move channels alot? Should I scan more often? I normally just watch TV on weekends so I do not need alot of channels.Just recieving the HD channels thru TWC is great.Sorry for being long winded.Also, from Blasdell area.

I think I asked this before, how does analog 41 & 47 come in? Noise free, some noise, 50% noise, or worse?

Then how about ch. 19, 25, 52, 57 & 69? Anything there especially analog 57 which is the weakest analog out of Toronto.

I can pull in with the db8 analog ch 9 5 (cbc) with audio and color but no digital. Also i can get ch 41 and 47. Those come in with no color but i do get the audio. still no digital channels from canada

Great DX weather Saturday night. 5.1 was at 92% (normally 60%) for me and 9.1 was 60% (normally 30%). Still couldn't get anything from Rochester.

Do you normally get 9 from canada or just once in a while? I only get 5 regularly and cannot get the new channel 18 -CHCH

in general will analog tv transmit farther that a digital signal?

CHCH-dt is now also on the air on 18-1, broadcasting from Hamilton, Ontario. Has anyone in Buffalo picked up this signal yet
Tried tonight for 18.1
No luck. kept locking/unlocking. Something is there, but I can't get it to lock in.

Analog vs digital at the same output power should yield the same broadcast distance. (Someone correct me if I'm talking out my ass) I'm guessing you're asking about the difference of UHF vs. VHF. CBC, CFTO, and CHCH all broadcast on the VHF band for analog (at higher power then their digital counterparts), but use the UHF band for Digital.

still just trying to figure out why i can get cbc analog color picture and sound but not in digital

flyngaudio; Do you normally get 40.1 CFTO? Would you narrow down where in Amherst you live since you are the 2nd to receive it in Erie County so far?

FUCCO; You are saying analog 5, 9, are visable, but 41 & 47 are just barely there? If so, you either have problem from the antenna in or are in a very bad reception area. 41 & 47 should give you a somewhat watchable (but noisey) picture. Analog vs digital at the same output power should yield the same broadcast distance.I tried to ask this of a couple of engineers, but I didn't get a answer. I assume I didn't explain myself better.

Anyway, from my experiance, digital will go a hell of a lot further. I can give many examples, starting with CFTO 40.1. I usually can't even measure the signal, but I have no problem receiving it. Now take analog 57. This is the weakest analog station out of Toronto (ch 52 is close behind). I receive it as strong as how FUCCO probably receives 5 & 9. Visable, but not really watchable, at least not long term.

Even though it was weather related, 66.1 & 65.1 are only a few KW ERP and I have been able to receive them. If that was analog, not a chance of even seeing the H&V blanking bars (which is the first thing you would receive since that is the strongest part of the visual signal).

I'm just south of main street before the main street, 90 interchange. 40.1 is the best at night for me.

FUCCO; You are saying analog 5, 9, are visable, but 41 & 47 are just barely there? If so, you either have problem from the antenna in or are in a very bad reception area. 41 & 47 should give you a somewhat watchable (but noisey) picture.


I am thinking it is a bad area. The cable and all equipment are less than a year old. Even when i replaced the cm4221 with the cm4228 and had just the cable line laying on the roof i was shocked that i got cbs at 90%. Therefore i dont think it is the cable line. Since my DB8 picks up cbc analog i dont think it is the antenna. I get 2,4,7, and 49 at 100%. I get 23 and 29 at 85%. I am right off losson road near union. I was told in the past this is a bad area due to the power lines along the thruway and it is a low elevation area. I recently bought a new lcd tv and picked up a digital to analog box (via the government coupn) just to try scanning for other channels. Neither of them picked up anything but buffalo locals. I have also tried a wineguard pre-amp and a motorola signal booster with negative results. I am thinking it is just the area i live in.

Anyway, from my experiance, digital will go a hell of a lot further.


IF that is the case why can i get cbc analog and ctv analog but not the digital signal?

The analogs are on VHF (5 and 9) whereas the digitals are on UHF and at much lower power, from what I can gather. That's why you've been asked about analog signals from Toronto (41, 47).

- Trip

Anyway, from my experiance, digital will go a hell of a lot further.


IF that is the case why can i get cbc analog and ctv analog but not the digital signal?

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/

CBC (CBLT) broadcasts at lower power than the Buffalo channels

flyngaudio; "Before"? From which direction?? I assume it is west of 90.
Using Google Earth and 2150.com I find you have 26 degrees of separtion between GI and Toronto. I would go with a 91XG, since according to Rick experiance from Clay NY (another forum member), that was more directional than the 4228 he tried. Yagi's have a edge here, but at a possible lack of flatness across the band. He has sort of convinced me into trying one, though I don't know how much it would help me since I only have three degrees of separation (basically nothing). You are in a good location at around 680' elevation. You are far east enough that, unlike me, the path to Toronto doesn't go over the Power Project's reservoir, which is the highest point for my path.

2150 shows this for you;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E9558&longitude=%2D78%2E7716&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations


FUCCO; None of the Canadian digitials are at full power. The analogs are. I don't know if I did this for you, but here is what 2150 shows for you;
http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E8819&longitude=%2D78%2E7464&magnetic_north=%2D10&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=True&show_construction=True&show_analog=True&show_low_power=False&action=Show+Stations

Again, using Google Earth there is a 30' difference in elevation around that intersection, between 600 & 630' ASL. Flyingaudio is 50-80' higher than you are. There is an area NW of the Pine Hill Cemetary that is almost 700' in elevation that is along your path to Toronto.

Height, or lack of is your apparent problem, but that doesn't mean it's out of the question.

Correct I'm just west of the 90, and just south of Main. I've got an antennacraft mxu59 yagi laying around at work, I'll test it against my DB8 when I get the chance to bring it home.

You can try it. You have PM's turned off, would you send me a PM.

Being new to this stuff,I thought OTA was the only way to bring in HD channels.So I always used a powered RCA antenna and scanned on the antenna setting on the TV.Then just for the heck of it,I scanned TWC and got all the channels I was getting using an OTA antenna.So I ditched the OTA.By the way WNEDHD comes in fine OTA must be a TWC issue.On my most recent scan I started recieving ESPNU(86-7),bridges(87-21),speed(116-1),weatherplus(166-4),espnnews(116-5),golf(116-6) then the locals WGRZ(e1-1wg) WNEDHD(e2-1wn),WUTV(e2-1WU),WIVB(e1-2WI),WKBW(e2-3WK).Is this normal to recieve these channels with just a broadcast tier of programming? Does TWC add and move channels alot? Should I scan more often? I normally just watch TV on weekends so I do not need alot of channels.Just recieving the HD channels thru TWC is great.Sorry for being long winded.Also, from Blasdell area.

Those channels aren't scrambled that's why you get them.

They're not allowed to scramble the locals (there's debate on this but in every market with every cable co I've ever heard they're always unscrambled).

The other ones? Probably an oversight on their part that they're not scrambled. I wouldn't trust those ones will remain forever.

They can move channels at will, requiring a re-scan. In my two years with my HDTV I think they've moved them once or twice.

Last I checked you should be able to get E! and maybe 1 other too. Local Sabres games in HD on MSG are not scrambled either. But that won't be needed till next season ;)

On a completely different subject (related to previous comments;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1020788
In case anyone is wondering why I have little use for Dave TV. Actually, you can add Charlie, TWC & Verizon to that list since they all could care less about the general public.

I started watching Carrier last night that I'm recording OTA on WNED HD (17.1/43.1) and it does not look very good at all. Tons of macro blocking and overall very smeared looking. Why does it look so bad?

I know WNED has 2 subchannels (.2 & .3), but so does WKBW but WKBW HD 7.1 looks 1000x better. And both are 720p, so it's not a 720p vs 1080i issue. Does WNED distribute its bandwidth between it's 3 channels differently than WKBW does?

PBS started looking this way a couple of years ago. AFAIC, it's a PBS xmission issue, not a local WNED issue.
PBS use to look great. Now, all it is is smear. :mad:

Hey flyngaudio; PM me.

PBS HD on channel 703 TWC (Amherst area) sometimes - scratch that- most of the time is horribly jerky, like micro freezing. I have checked OTA with an antenna and the jerking is not there when it is there over the TWC network. It is not there on ALL shows though, I would say way more than half of them, and carrier is one of them. I try to watch it OTA with my silver sensor if possible and it looks ok to me.

PBS on 703 has had this problem since I bought my HDTV early 2007 - even had people come out from TWC, they said it was "just the picture" whatever the HELL that meant. That was the first low IQ tech to come out and see it first hand. Then another time - another tech admitted that it is like that everywhere, even at the "home office" or whatever, same with the little gray squares that are about 20 pixels square that pop up all the time on most of the HD channels.

It is TWC's fault, and they sometimes admit it, sometimes they don't.. Basically I just blame it on someones incompetence somewhere along the line at TWC. Signal is fine... If I could decide I would get rid of TWC and go to Direct TV or Dish network - but I can't decide which dish service is best for my needs. Oh well.. {/rant about TWC}
I have them stored in my phone's memory as CRAPWARNER CABLE. My wife gets a kick out of that.

I started watching Carrier last night that I'm recording OTA on WNED HD (17.1/43.1) and it does not look very good at all. Tons of macro blocking and overall very smeared looking. Why does it look so bad?

I know WNED has 2 subchannels (.2 & .3), but so does WKBW but WKBW HD 7.1 looks 1000x better. And both are 720p, so it's not a 720p vs 1080i issue. Does WNED distribute its bandwidth between it's 3 channels differently than WKBW does?

PBS started looking this way a couple of years ago. AFAIC, it's a PBS xmission issue, not a local WNED issue.
PBS use to look great. Now, all it is is smear. :mad:

I'm in the Rochester market, so I don't often see WNED HD, but I do have a few comments that relate to this:
Nationally, PBS is nominally 1080i - that's the signal that the network distributes. It has surprised me, when I checked the PBS HD station there when I do calibrations in the Buffalo area to find it so crappy.
Whenever there is a conversion from one format (1080i to 720p or 720p to 1080i) there is information lost and artifacts introduced), so the 720p conversion process at WNED HD is likely part of the issue.
In Rochester, our PBS (WXXI HD) has THREE subchannels, leaving a reduced bitrate (9-10Mbps) on their 1080i main channel. Looks like CRAP. More an issue of various artifacts, rather than a blurriness.
Also, in Rochester, WXXI feeds TW's head end with fiber at the full bit-rate (18Mbps). So TW viewers here see a high quality HD signal (and it does look good). So I can assure you that it is NOT "a PBS xmission issue". It IS a "a local WNED issue".

This may sound like a stupid question, but can each station control how much bandwidth is allocated for each of their OTA channels (i.e.: channel x.1 gets 50% of bandwidth, channel x.2 gets 25% and channels x.3 gets 25%)? Or is the total bandwidth simply divided by the number of channels (i.e.: 3 channels = each get 33% of bandwidth)?

And how much bandwidth does a channel have? And how is that determined?

CHCH-dt is now also on the air on 18-1, broadcasting from Hamilton, Ontario. Has anyone in Buffalo picked up this signal yet

I have 18-1,35-2, and 20-1 pretty much all the time from OP using a DB8 and and LG tuner. All locals as well with antenna pointing @ 330 degrees.

I have not been able to get 40-1 in a while, and a few times pick up omni DT i believe at 44-1. I picked up 15-1 once last year for a few days, never 66-1 or 57-1 or 65-1.

Incidently the LG tuner outperforms all my other tuners including TIVO, Samsung and E*

I'm finally getting CHCH here in NT- using a zenith dtv converter. It's amazing to me that you get ctv most of the time- given their power! The zenith box is made by LG- maybe that's why I'm getting good results too!

I tried getting 18.1 last night with my Silver Sensor but no luck.

I've got a friend that lives on the Oakfield Townline Road in Batavia. She currently has an analog TV with only rabbit ears and gets Buffalo, Rochester and some Canadian stations. She is thinking of getting an HDTV and I'm wondering what kind of digital reception she could expect with a simple indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor. Can anyone in that area comment? Thanks.

davehancock; WNED switched to 720p well over a year ago. Possibly two. Let me get this straight, you are saying TW's feed of WXXI looks better than their OTA feed and WXXI OTA looks better than WNED OTA?
WNED is not w/o artifacts, but the roll off is terrible. I would say it's worse than DVD quality overall. Just to throw out a number, I would guess they aren't even passing 5 MHz (video bandwidth, not RF).

Indiana627; Out there, why bother with any indoor antenna at all. Batavia is fairly high, Toronto (digital 20 & possibly 40) should be within reach along with Peterborough which is north of her (digital 24, 30 & 34 listed, but unknown if they are on the air and what their ERP is). There is only one 'local' station and that is SE of the city, so local overload isn't a issue.
No idea what, if any a indoor antenna would be able to pick up.

davehancock; Let me get this straight, you are saying TW's feed looks better than the OTA feed...?
I believe he's saying this for WXXI in Rochester TW, not WNED on Buffalo TW.

Yes, clarified my post.

I started watching Carrier last night that I'm recording OTA on WNED HD (17.1/43.1) and it does not look very good at all. Tons of macro blocking and overall very smeared looking. Why does it look so bad?

I know WNED has 2 subchannels (.2 & .3), but so does WKBW but WKBW HD 7.1 looks 1000x better. And both are 720p, so it's not a 720p vs 1080i issue. Does WNED distribute its bandwidth between it's 3 channels differently than WKBW does?

Now, I only have a 26" LCD HDTV so I usually don't notice macroblocking or anything as much as you all do but last night I watched hours 2 and 3 (spanning the first two episodes) of Carrier.

I noticed hour 3 (episode 2's first half) was worse quality than hour 2 (episode 1's second half). Specifically during the "interview scenes" with black backgrounds. Perhaps WNED had some issues Monday night?

FYI: I'm OTA.

davehancock; WNED switched to 720p well over a year ago. Possibly two. Let me get this straight, you are saying TW's feed of WXXI looks better than their OTA feed and WXXI OTA looks better than WNED OTA?Yes, TW Rochester feed of WXXI HD looks a lot better than WXXI OTA. No, I did not intend to make any comparison of WNED OTA to WXXI OTA. It's just when I've been in the area and looked at WNED OTA it looked pretty bad (but WXXI OTA also looks bad).
WNED is not w/o artifacts, but the roll off is terrible. I would say it's worse than DVD quality overall. Just to throw out a number, I would guess they aren't even passing 5 MHz (video bandwidth, not RF).I find it difficult to perceive WHY on earth WNED would want to convert a 1080i feed to 720p. One thing for sure, it does kill quality.

This may sound like a stupid question, but can each station control how much bandwidth is allocated for each of their OTA channels (i.e.: channel x.1 gets 50% of bandwidth, channel x.2 gets 25% and channels x.3 gets 25%)? Or is the total bandwidth simply divided by the number of channels (i.e.: 3 channels = each get 33% of bandwidth)?

And how much bandwidth does a channel have? And how is that determined?
Anyone know how this works?

I've got a friend that lives on the Oakfield Townline Road in Batavia. She currently has an analog TV with only rabbit ears and gets Buffalo, Rochester and some Canadian stations. She is thinking of getting an HDTV and I'm wondering what kind of digital reception she could expect with a simple indoor antenna like the Silver Sensor. Can anyone in that area comment? Thanks.
Anyone have any ideas? Sorry for my impatience.

And how much bandwidth does a channel have? And how is that determined?

It varies from station to station. Some have fixed amounts of bandwidth dedicated to each stream, others do what's called "statistical multiplexing" where the bandwidth moves dynamically from one stream to the other as needed.

It's typically not evenly split as you asked, usually it's something like 15Mbps for the HD feed and 3Mbps or so for an SD feed (assuming one HD and one SD).

To find out first hand, you'd want to grab a computer-based tuner that will work with TSReader and check out how the data is broken up there. Part of the goal of my website is to list all of this information, but it's difficult to get such information.

- Trip

Anyone have any ideas? Sorry for my impatience.

If she's only using an indoor antenna I think Rochester and Canada are going to be a remote possibility unless she's extremely lucky.

I find it difficult to perceive WHY on earth WNED would want to convert a 1080i feed to 720p. One thing for sure, it does kill quality. I believe this was disscussed here after the switch. Less bandwidth is the short answer. 720p isn't as intensive as 1080i. That gives them more breathing room for the two sub-channels.It's just when I've been in the area and looked at WNED OTA it looked pretty bad (but WXXI OTA also looks bad).Ok, bottom line, which looks worse (macroblocking aside)? Does XXI have less roll-off than NED?

Indiana627; To answer your 1st question, I'm sure it can be varied, exactly how I will have to ask.

Your 2nd question, it depends. Moving an antenna 6" could make or break the reception of a digital channel.
Example; I just walked a roof looking for a hot spot. Signal levels varied over 8db from on end to the other. That is more then enough to affect if you can watch a solid image or have nothing at all. You still haven't mentioned they type of structure, how high or what's around them. You are just going to try.
BTW; with a indoor antenna, Canada isn't even remotely in the running and Rochester is a maybe. Actually, the same could be said about our stations in the Boston Hills.

Completely separate subject;
Have you seen the article in the media regarding TW selling their cable division?

Completely separate subject;
Have you seen the article in the media regarding TW selling their cable division?

They're not selling it per se but just spinning it off into it's own separate company.

http://www.buffalonews.com/businesstoday/businessfinance/story/336202.html


On another note... WNED is now being reported by Zap2It as being on 17-1, not 43-1 so TiVos and DTV DVRs should work properly now. The change happened mid-week this week.

Spinning, selling whatever they want to call it this week. Just another Corp. term to make it sound nicer. You know; "the power of you". :rolleyes:
Wikipedia's defination of "spinoff" is;The common definition of 'spin out' is when a division of a company or organization becomes an independent business.The article in the NYT made the statement;Time Warner would completely spin off its cable companyAnyway, I think the new name (in Buffalo) should be Courier Cable. ;)

They're not "selling" anything because no one is "buying" anything. (other than stocks... which will probably just end up being "bought" by the Cable division in order to bring their ownership to themselves)

"Selling" it makes it sound like our local operations are going to be purchased by Comcast or something.

The Cable division is becoming a company independent of Time Warner, Inc. Next to nothing will change from the perspective of the local consumer of TWC prodcuts and services.

Actually, that article says that TWC has been a separate publicly traded company a year ago. All that's happening now is that TW, Inc is selling it's 84% share. Why? TW, Inc. investors are not happy with TWC's profits.

It's a non-story in terms of cable operations and consumer impact.

Here's a better article:

http://www.betanews.com/article/Time_Warner_to_spin_off_not_sell_its_cable_business/1205265444

Indiana627; Your 2nd question, it depends. Moving an antenna 6" could make or break the reception of a digital channel.
Example; I just walked a roof looking for a hot spot. Signal levels varied over 8db from on end to the other. That is more then enough to affect if you can watch a solid image or have nothing at all. You still haven't mentioned they type of structure, how high or what's around them. You are just going to try.
BTW; with a indoor antenna, Canada isn't even remotely in the running and Rochester is a maybe. Actually, the same could be said about our stations in the Boston Hills.
I've never been to her house - I only know her through work. I guess I'll have to ask her which networks and from which city they watch the most and then give her my best guesstimate.
On another note... WNED is now being reported by Zap2It as being on 17-1, not 43-1 so TiVos and DTV DVRs should work properly now. The change happened mid-week this week.
Yes, they changed to 17-x on my D* HD DVR sometime Tuesday. The Carrier episodes I recorded on Monday and Tuesday at midnight were on 43-1, but then the one recorded on Wednesday at midnight was listed as 17-1.

I find it difficult to perceive WHY on earth WNED would want to convert a 1080i feed to 720p. One thing for sure, it does kill quality.I believe this was disscussed here after the switch. Less bandwidth is the short answer. 720p isn't as intensive as 1080i. That gives them more breathing room for the two sub-channels.Was it that they "switched" from 1080i to 720p, or did they just start with 720p?

It's debatable whether 720p uses less bandwidth (actually the term world requires a lower bitrate). It IS easier to compress, but 720p is NOT THE answer to reduce bitrate.

But, anytime you change from one scan rate to another you loose information and introduce additional artifacts, so their approach seems odd. But then, I've concluded that with the PBS philosophy of MORE channels, as opposed to QUALITY channels, this approach is not surprising.

It's just when I've been in the area and looked at WNED OTA it looked pretty bad (but WXXI OTA also looks bad).Ok, bottom line, which looks worse (macroblocking aside)? Does XXI have less roll-off than NED?Seeing as I haven't compared the two side by side, I can't say definitively (perhaps there is someone in Batavia, or somewhere, who gets both OTA can say). My impression however is that WNED "looks" worse than WXXI.

Again, I commented on this topic because your assertion that AFAIC, it's a PBS xmission issue, not a local WNED issue.was incorrect. It IS clearly a local WNED issue.

My parents live in Penn Yan (where I'm from originally) and got a plasma last year and now get WXXI in HD via OTA. I've checked it out for maybe 5 minutes, and from what I recall, it looked about about the same as WNED OTA on a good day. The picture quality of Carrier this week has looked worse than normal for WNED IMHO.

E* announced yesterday that HDTV locals CBS,NBC,ABC,FOX are coming to Bflo in May

I saw a single family house down the block with 4 antennas in a row.

Anyone know why they might have that many??

thnx

i know this isnt the place for this but anyone know a place in the area where I can get my HDTV fixed without getting ripped off?

i spent a grand on the tv exactly one year ago and dont want to spend more than a fifth of the price to get it fixed.

if anyone knows any good places or knows a friend with the know how to fix an HDTV please let me know. i'm in williamsville btw.

heres the original thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1025765

Seeing as I haven't compared the two side by side, I can't say definitively (perhaps there is someone in Batavia, or somewhere, who gets both OTA can say). My impression however is that WNED "looks" worse than WXXI.
Again, I commented on this topic because your assertion that was incorrect. It IS clearly a local WNED issue. According to your own comments, my "assertion" isn't necessary incorrect. The possibility that WNED looks worse than WXXI could be many other reasons other than 720 vs 1080. Namely processing equipment differences between the two stations, or how the B/W is split between the three sub channels etc.

Assuming WXXI does look better, I'm sure it isn't a whole lot which means it still looks bad as compared to CBS & ABC. There is so much of a difference between those two networks and PBS, that I can't imagine that XXI's pic could come close. Granted, unfortunately I haven't seen it here since reception from the 'mound' from the SE corner of the city just doesn't make it over the escarpment (Batavia) to be receiveable here in Buffalo. Eastern Erie county, I believe can receive those stations, but I am to far west. :(

Even NBC looks better than PBS, but not by much. Assuming you also feel NBC is the worst of the 'big 3' which has been brought up many times in the other sub-forums.

philherz; Can you post a pic? Are they on four separate masts/tripods or the same mast?

MaXPL; As much as I don't like them, Stereo Advantage's Lifetime Service Center is authorized for Samsung. Actually, Samsung bought them a truck with the Samsung name plastered all over the sides.

They're on niagara falls blvd past sheridan- They fixed my Sanyo- dont know if they're Samsung authorized

According to your own comments, my "assertion" isn't necessary incorrect. The possibility that WNED looks worse than WXXI could be many other reasons other than 720 vs 1080. Namely processing equipment differences between the two stations, or how the B/W is split between the three sub channels etc.If you go back to my post, you will see where I talked about WXXI HD on TW Rochester cable. That signal is full bit-rate, without any additional compression for sub-channels and that signal looks quite good (just a good as Discovery HD Theater,for example). What I am commenting about in that last post is your incorrect assertion that: it's a PBS xmission issue, not a local WNED issue. It IS a local WNED issue, NOT a PBS xmission issue (as what I see on TW-Rochester is very good). How WXXI HD OTA compares to WNED OTA is an entirely different matter, but the decrease in quality seen on WNED IS NOT due to something that PBS did.

ok thanks guys, i'll try both places.

was planning to try stereo advantage anyway since its down the street from my house.

Anyone else getting annoying sound "crackling" on WKBW-HD OTA? Mostly when returning from commercials?

Anyone else getting annoying sound "crackling" on WKBW-HD OTA? Mostly when returning from commercials?

I notice it- not that annoying though, I am just happy it gos back to HD.. unlike WGRZ, and when WKBW used to have that prob.

I would have reservations about S&E. Not to many diamonds in a HDTV.;)

flyingaudio; you have a PM.

well Lifetime charged 115 just for an estimate, screw that.

S&E gave a free estimate, ~850 dollars just for the panel plus 100% of tv price for labor. thats just ridiculous.

moral of the story, dont break the panel on your hdtv.

plus 100% of tv price for labor???

So I finally broke down and got a D* HR21 last week (to replace my D*TiVo) when I heard that the AM21 OTA tuner was now available. I have received both and they are working wonderfully. The new 5-LNB dish gets installed Saturday.

My question is about Canadian locals. Obviously I can't enter a Canadian postal code in order to get their channels in the guide. But I can vaguely remember someone posted awhile back in this thread some other city in the US that had the same channel numbers as Toronto. Does anyone happen to remember that, and if so what city/zip code was it. I doubt I'll be able to pull them in, but I'd like to give it a shot anyways. Unfortunately I can't even check signal strengths for the Toronto channels on the HR21 as it only allows you to view your local market. Thanks for any help!

i heard the boston ma zip code gives u abc on digital 20 (5.1) and therefore gives u cbc. Also washington dc zip code will give u cbc as well. I have not picked these up due to antenna issues i am having but the washington dc zip was confrimed by otheres on this board

So I finally broke down and got a D* HR21 last week (to replace my D*TiVo) when I heard that the AM21 OTA tuner was now available. I have received both and they are working wonderfully. The new 5-LNB dish gets installed Saturday.

My question is about Canadian locals. Obviously I can't enter a Canadian postal code in order to get their channels in the guide. But I can vaguely remember someone posted awhile back in this thread some other city in the US that had the same channel numbers as Toronto. Does anyone happen to remember that, and if so what city/zip code was it. I doubt I'll be able to pull them in, but I'd like to give it a shot anyways. Unfortunately I can't even check signal strengths for the Toronto channels on the HR21 as it only allows you to view your local market. Thanks for any help!
Here's a listing of all digital TV stations in operation. Once you find a DMA with the right channel number, you'll just have to find a ZIP for that DMA and then put it in your HR21.

http://www.nab.org/AM/ASPCode/DTVStations/DTVStations.asp

philherz; Can you post a pic? Are they on four separate masts/tripods or the same mast?



They are 4 in a row, right under the gutter!

I'd assume if they switched from E* to D* (or vice versa), the old company takes these back.

Maybe they have both to make sure they get every channel?

Wonder what their bill is?

(I don't know them, but I'll ask about it if I see them in the yard one day....)

As of 5/5/08, WNED is now showing The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer in HD on 17.1 at 7-8PM.

Thanks for the great link Indiana. Unfortunately I still am not able to pull in Toronto, and probably never will. For me, the tower on Grand Island is almost directly in line with CN Tower (only 2° difference). FWIW, Boston seems to provide the best option for what I was trying to do. Thanks again.

Is anyone able to get Global-HD on 65-1 out of Toronto? They are showing Raiders of the Lost Ark in OAR right now, definitely something worth tuning in to. I would think they would plan to show the next two as well sometime in the near future.

philherz; Are you talking about satellite dishes or OTA antennas? If you are talking about KU band dishes, your in the wrong forum.

canada_habs2004; Depending on reception, Lately I have been receiving them about 1/3 of the time. Depending on which tuner, they get ID'ed as 65.1 or 41.1
66.1 is another story. Very, very tough. Only on extremely good days (and/or nights). 15.1 is out of the question, 18.1, 24.1, 44.1 & 64.1 never.
I won't even mention 53.1. :mad:

rspetti; Where are you in Tonawanda? Have you considered getting a separate OTA receiver instead of dealing with the very limited capibilities of that DaveTV thing??

philherz; Are you talking about satellite dishes or OTA antennas? If you are talking about KU band dishes, your in the wrong forum.



I wouldn't know a satellite dish from a KU band dish.

These 4 all look very similar to my D* dish or the E* dishes I see around my neighborhood and I was wondering why anyone would have 4 in a row at a single family home.

Maybe he works for the CIA???????

It's the same thing.
Are they all pointing the same direction? After all there are dozens of 'birds' out there.

http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html

I get CHCH if I aim directly towards Hamilton w/ my CM4228- but then I lose CBC of course. CHCH is hard to get at times I get a watchable pic at a solid 35-40% but usually the signal just bounces up and down and cant watch. Last night It was ok for a while even w/ the rain and then broke up. Early morning is a good time to check.

rspetti; Where are you in Tonawanda? Have you considered getting a separate OTA receiver instead of dealing with the very limited capibilities of that DaveTV thing??
I'm two blocks from Tonawanda High School in the City of Tonawanda, kinda near Mississippi Mudds and Old Man River. Based on the reports I've read for the HR21/AM21 combo, the OTA tuner is much better than in previous models. There's no doubt though that a separate OTA would be better like you say, but then would I be able to integrate that into the DVR? I also think a better antenna would help me a lot. Currently I have two el-cheapo Radio Shack (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032205&parentPage=family) antennas pointed in opposite directions since G.I. and the Boston Hills transmitters are almost 180° apart for me. I've pretty much given in to the fact I'll never be able to get Toronto since G.I. is directly in line and so close. And I don't want to spend a fortune just to maybe get 2-3 more channels. Of course, any antenna guidance would be greatly appreciated for future reference.

IOW's, if those towers fell east, they would hit your house? :D

Can I assume you can see them looking west? How is reception with your toaster, microwave, toilet, stove & refrigerator?
I always wanted to go up there and take some reading and watch the smoke coming from my SLM. ;)

I wonder if a 91xg would have enough side rejection to do the job? As far as "spending a fortune", what is your upper limit? The possible solution would/could be;
30% antenna & exact location, 30% traps/filters, 10% tuner and 30% luck. If you are lucky to be blocked by a high building, that could 'shield' you from those xmitters. The biggest factor is finding the 'null' for those two towers, which usually isn't the awfully hard to do. If the 'null' would reduce that overload enough is the question.

Those RS antennas won't do it. Even though I still perfer the 4228, I would go with this;
http://www.antonline.com/p_91XG-PG_423299.htm

From either there or from "The Nerds". (yes, I know, but it's their name, not mine) Actually, stacking two side by side is another option to sharpen the side rejection.

rspetti; check your PM's.

It's the same thing.
Are they all pointing the same direction? After all there are dozens of 'birds' out there.

http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html

I'd have to really look to see if they're pointed in exactly the same direction, but, from the street, they look like 4 identical antennas to me.

So someone might get 4 to get special broadcasts?

Safe to assume you typically wouldn't need that many to get most of the more common channels?

???

well i told him that i paid a grand for the tv a few times during our chat. when he gave me the estimate he said it isnt worth fixing because the panel will cost 850 plus 100% of the price of the tv just for labor. yeh it sounds crazy but thats what i was told at s&e. i'm sure that if i put down the 115 at stereo advantage they'd likely give me a crazy estimate as well.

anyway, its up on craigslist now and i'll be replacing it.

Those RS antennas won't do it. Even though I still perfer the 4228, I would go with this;
http://www.antonline.com/p_91XG-PG_423299.htm



Is that like my silver sensor on steroids- but not having to "point it, or aim it"?
What is the 4228?

Quick update on my ever lasting cbc (cblt) journey. Thanks to videobruce i am now able to get cbc hd with my directv hr20. We moved my db8 to the other side of the roof and added about 10 feet to the height. With this i was able to get cbc on a small lcd tv i had. I then tricked the hr20 to picking up cbc using boston mass zip code 02101. This downloaded boston abc digital channel 20 which shows up as 5.1. Now obvisouly the guide is incorrect but who cars i get the channel. I just deleted out the rest of the boston mass channels from the guide to only 5.1 shows up. Anyway, when hooked up directly to the line my signal strength was at 20-25%. This breaks up a lot. My history with the hr20 i knew i need at least a 50% according to the signal meter to lock in a perfect picture. I added on my channel master preamp i had and the signal jumped to a stunning 80%. Now the picture is perfect with no break ups. At least i can watch cbc now!!! THANKS YOU VIDEOBRUCE!!!

What is the 4228?http://www.warrenelectronics.com/Antennas/4228.htm

rspetti; I misunderstood where you are. Scratch that choice for antenna.
Being that close and being directly in line (less than 20 degrees separation), is probably a lost cause. The only way I would see is splitting the downlead, using custom designed single channel bandpass filters one for 20 and the other for 40, blocking out everything else and then recombine the two.

Your welcome FUCCO. Just don't forget to do what I told yo.

Sorry Videobruce i've been crushed the past week with school work, finals are this week. My PM's have decided to stop working. Shoot me an email at medson@smartsquad.com

FWIW; I accidently discovered that I can pick up CHCH 18.1, but only occasionally. Same as CIII 65.1. Looking over the programming of 18.1, I'm not too concerned about, but with 65.1, it's another story.

Now I have to find a few more db somewhere. :(

Hey Videobruce - can I send you today's Buffalo News so you can autograph The Link section article about DTV? Great job!

I found WNED's VP of broadcasting comments defending his HD PQ laughable.

This reporter contacted me two months ago through John Weiksnar. We went back and forth with his rough draft. I didn't hear anything further. I assumed it was dead as his editors didn't want to bother with the follow up article (there was another last year, or eariler this year).

Your the 2nd one that brought this to my attention this morning. After a long search (typing in "switching" didn't work), here it is;
http://www.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Switching+to+digital+TV&expire=&urlID=28457916&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buffalonews.com%2F185%2Fstory%2F344651. html&partnerID=173536
If that didn't work, try this;
http://www.buffalonews.com/185/story/344651.html

The text about the converter boxes was added and probably the main reason the editors went with the article (public service message of sorts).

Those comments from WNED regarding 720 vs 1080 has little bearing on the issue. When I read the 1st draft regarding WNED's 3 sub channels and WKBW's three sub channels. Both are 720 and there is a huge difference between ABC and PBS. WKBW isn't rolled off as WNED/PBS is with the same number of sub channels.

Call me a doubting Thomas, but until I can pick up the Erie Pa. PBS affilate and compare (Rochester is a lost cause for me), I'm still not convinced where WNED/PBS's problem is. The only way to do it is a A/B comparison and that hasn't happened yet. I haven't seen anything stating the current actual ERP of the Erie stations are so I don't know if or how that will improve next year with their switchover. :(

I think the sh-- is going to hit the fan if there are a significant number of people, mostly the rural areas, that can't pick up the locals after the analog shut down.

What I mean is that the "all or none" signal of DTV may be its achilles heel. With analog, some OTA users are probably content with the traditional noisey/snowy picture they currently receive.

For example an analog OTA user in gowanda who is of limited means and can't afford cable/sat is content with a snowy WUTV or WNED picture... but what happens when he goes from snowy reception to no reception.

Quick question; before I set-up trying to get all my locals does anyone know if any of the stations are moving back to VHF or will all stay at thier current didgal location. Thanks

DRB

maevejr; Then they need to step up to the 21st century, mostly with a outdoor antenna, or at least a better antenna. The same can be said about newer vehicles. The $6 or $8 inspection is a thing of the past and so are non complying polluting oil burners. There has been enough information in print and on TV. You can't watch the local news without seeing something mentioned about the transistion and it is still 9 months away.
You can't reach everyone. That's an acceptable fallout. Analog TV has ran it's course.

drb; WNGS (licensed in Springville) will switch from 67 to ch. 7 when WKBW analog 7 goes dark. That is the only exception in this market. Rochester & Erie will partial revert back to VHF. No idea why, that was mostly or all of their choice.

I am just concerned that at their current power, the local DTV OTA won't cover as great an area as the "snowey" analog signal does. I suspect they are required by law to cover the same "footprint".

75% of the OTA currently use set top antennas in US and most OTA users I am sure are the rural, lower income citizens. So I predict the current power of the DTV broadcasts will be increased to cover the "weakest link" in a broadcast area. I also suspect getting rid of all the analog noise will make a big difference. It will be excitng to watch the shut down in Wilmington in September.

It's not an HD thing, but was it just me or did anyone notice the difference in quality of the camera shots amongst the three local networks when covering the 190 standoff last night.

Ch7 came off very badly as the sun went down.

I know this won't help you, but E* vip211, 611 OTA tuners correctly tune 5.1, 9.1,11.1, 35.2 and omni when it its up.

Also E* just added multiple new HD channels and appears to have caught up to D*. HD Locals for Bflo are coming this month

From where are these units picking up these stations?

From where are these units picking up these stations?
sounds like canadian ota from cn tower

Also E* just added multiple new HD channels and appears to have caught up to D*. HD Locals for Bflo are coming this month
Yes, E* added 20 new national HD channels on Monday, then late Monday night they removed 10 of the VOOM HD channels, then late last night they removed the remaining 5 VOOM HD channels. So they added 20, then removed 15 for a net gain of 5.

I pick up 11.1 and 5.1 all the time from OP,NY. 9.1 is rare .

I also can get 5 and 11 - however not at the same time. CHCh is picky though - I have to aim directly at it- at 110 degrees on my rotor and then lose CBC.

FROM:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/WNY/programming/programmingchanges.html

Effective 6/24/08, the duplication of the analog HBO premium service on Channel 5 in WNY Suburban and Channel 21 in Dunkirk, will be discontinued. HBO will continue to be carried on Digital Cable Channel 201.

Hope this is to clear some bandwidth & SDV will be soon to follow.

FROM:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/WNY/programming/programmingchanges.html

Effective 6/24/08, the duplication of the analog HBO premium service on Channel 5 in WNY Suburban and Channel 21 in Dunkirk, will be discontinued. HBO will continue to be carried on Digital Cable Channel 201.

Hope this is to clear some bandwidth & SDV will be soon to follow.

Boo to SDV! CableCARDs don't work with it.

Boo to SDV! CableCARDs don't work with it.Boo to CableCARDs - people with them want to restrict the expansion of HD (because they can't partake in the expansion).

I don't want to restrict HD expansion. I just don't want to have to use Time Warner's piece of crap HD DVR with the buggiest and shittiest UI that I've ever used.

I also don't want to be charged the same amount when I can't view all the channels. Wanna use SDV? Fine. Then don't charge me for channels that my TiVo with cable-company-supplied CableCARDs can't access.

Boo to CableCARDs - people with them want to restrict the expansion of HD 1. There is nothing wrong with CC's (everyone doesn't care about PPV),
2. SDV is a nothing but a contrived scam/sceam with TW and the manufacture(s) of the equipment so the usual select few can stuff $$ in their pockets.

It benifits the MSO, forceing subscribers that bought devices that did work with some cable services to stop functioning, forceing the subscribers to rent the MSO's devices which is aditional profit for both the MSO and the manufacture of those devices.

There is absolutely NO reason, come 2/09 that all those analog channels can't be converted to digital, freeing up that spectrum for additional digital channels. Then, the MSO would have all the room in the world for all the HD channels they could find.

In turn, any subscriber that only had a basic analog tier, with no QAM tuner, would receive a 'box' to receive those former analog channels in digital format. That 'box' could either be a 'basic' QAM tuner, since these channels would/should be 'in the clear' (as they are now), or could be a addressable box for PPV/On Demand offerings which would open up an formerly untapped revenue stream they didn't have before.

It's hard telling if TW was the one that had the bug up their ass first, or the manufactiure of the SDV device. Either way, it's unnecessary BS. :mad:

So there...........

epicbard; try the Computer sub forum.

BTW, it's the city of Buffalo that was the hold out for HBO on channel 5, not the suburbs. HBO (AFAIK) has been long gone from ch. 5 in the suburbs for some time now. Not that this is any loss. Now there are three 'open' channels below ch 71.
How many digital channels can those hold with no change to the rest of the lineup?? ;)

TW is pressured to offer analog and digital feeds because of their commercial accounts...hospitals, hotels, businesses.A handfull compared to residential. They could supply boxes to them also.It would be costly and an issue for their customersAnd it isn't costly to all the customers that already have sets with QAM tuners??TW probably would not have needed switched digital if they phased out analog completely.Remove "probably" from that sentence.

Now, what was TW's reported profit last year?

And it isn't costly to all the customers that already have sets with QAM tuners??They are FAR to many customers with sets that do not have QAM tuners, and don't want STBs and not to many with CableCARDs (excluding the TW supplied cable boxes). So TW is catering to those legacy customers as opposed to those with CableCARDs who want TW to make sure that any HD expansion includes them.

HBO (AFAIK) has been long gone from ch. 5 in the suburbs for some time now. Not that this is any loss.

I switched from TW to DirecTV a few weeks ago, but until then I still had HBO on channel 5 in Amherst on my extra line into the bedroom which didn't have a box.....

Anyone else having trouble with 7-1 and 2-1 OTA today?

7-1 was fine all night Sunday but this morning I noticed some significant breakups... and then similar on 2-1 this afternoon.

EDIT: Guess my problems started Monday evening as recordings I had on 7-1 and 2-1 are all pixelated throughout.

epicbard; try the Computer sub forum.


Thanks, did so already. I hope someone knows...

I still had HBO on channel 5 in Amherst Interesting. Cheektowaga and Lanacaster lost it many years ago. I figured all the subirbs didn't have it.
Anyone in Tonawanda still have it?

BTW, there was a follow up article (part 3 if you will) in Mondays paper regarding those converter boxes in the Link section.

Interesting. Cheektowaga and Lanacaster lost it many years ago. I figured all the subirbs didn't have it.
Anyone in Tonawanda still have it?

BTW, there was a follow up article (part 3 if you will) in Mondays paper regarding those converter boxes in the Link section.

Town of Tonawanda still has analog HBO on channel 5.

I had bad information. The info came from a TW employee. :rolleyes: Why should I expected correct info.
Lancaster never had it.

BTW; thanks and welcome to the forums.

When i moved 2 years ago & had TWC install, they added a filter to the connection box that filtered out HBO on 5.

I don't know when they started doing this, people that have had TWC for years still receive HBO on 5

I had bad information. The info came from a CC employee. :rolleyes: Why should I expected correct info.
Lancaster never had it.



I guess it's a moot point.

You TW folks will be losing HBO/5 soon anyway......

Analog only. Anyway, it's no loss.
Basic HBO has sucked for years. Ever since they branched off with all those other versions.

BTW, there was a follow up article (part 3 if you will) in Mondays paper regarding those converter boxes in the Link section.

Let me get this right- they want people to spend more money on these converters in order to still get canadian channels in analog. Those boxes are all $80 and up! Why wouldn't you just use a splitter? And what is really gonna happen >2/17/09- are these stations just going to magically come in for me due to the hi-power GI stations going dark? Are these staions erp not still going to be 1,000+ KW?? post analog shut down. Is the 1,000kw their digital power level of WNLO/ WUTV? Won't their digital hi power still interfere with receiving canadian stations like CFTO- CBLFT- CITY ??? Like we'll ever see CITY

Please accept my apologies if this is a repeated question, but I am new to the discussion and this thread is 156 pages long.

Are these new tuner boxes (that antenna folk will have to get) also capable of picking up analog signals? I am concerned about losing the ability to tune analog Canadian stations after Feb 17. (Of course there are splitters and such that can be used.)

Or should I not even be concerned, because Canadians are moving towards all digital as well? Or are they mostly in digital already? I'd be tuning in from a Wheatfield location, which has usually gotten terrific analog Canadian reception with a rooftop antenna. We have not gotten the tuner box yet.

Or should I not even be concerned, because Canadians are moving towards all digital as well?

Already moved in Toronto. Read this it will help.

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/index.html

Ah, thanks! Looks like a good starting resource. A noticeable omission was TV-Ontario. (I don't know the call letters, but it's channel 19.) Any scoop on that?

I remember hearing that TVO was exempt from the digital conversion requirements at this time. Something about not having enough money possibly.

- Trip

they want people to spend more money on these converters in order to still get canadian channels in analog.The purpose for the analog pass through is for all the low power translators out in the boon docks so they can still be received by a old analog TV. It just so happens we are in a market where full power stations will still be analog for another 2 1/2 years.Those boxes are all $80 and up!Some are around $50. With the coupon that's $10. Big deal. I guess most of you don't remember those UHF converters from the early 70's. ;) Same thing, but there weren't any coupons then.And what is really gonna happen >2/17/09- are these stations just going to magically come in for me due to the hi-power GI stations going dark? Are these staions erp not still going to be 1,000+ KW?? post analog shut down.I doubt there will be any change since the situation on the CN tower won't change.

You have to understand that facility was never designed for all those TV and radio stations. There are only so many antennas and each antenna can only handle so much RF ontop of the limited bandwidth being tuned for whatever the orginal channel was 30 or so years ago.Like we'll ever see CITYUnfortunately, I doubt it especially if they stay on channel 53. No one knows what will happen 4 years from now. Their politics and the ownership of cable companies hinder any real progress.

Are these new tuner boxes (that antenna folk will have to get) also capable of picking up analog signals?Good question. Not that I know of. That's what the analog pass through is about. Many boxes don't have this feature.
Yes, a splitter and a A/B switch would take care of that.I am concerned about losing the ability to tune analog Canadian stations after Feb 17.Their analog situation won't change.

I doubt there will be any change since the situation on the CN tower won't change.

However will the situation change in 2011?- By then do you foresee the canadian stations upping their power significantly for us to more easily receive these stations or will it still be one sided like it is now?

However will the situation change in 2011?Unless those stations feel the pressure from the US for increased digital coverage in Canada, why/how would anything change? They still have the physical restraints of where the equipment (antennas) is located. You can't put 10 lbs. of .... in a 5 lb. bag. ;)
You also have to remember, they don't care about and actually have to protect the border just as we have to.

But, where you are, it shouldn't really matter. Niagara county is ideal for TV reception.

Good question. Not that I know of. That's what the analog pass through is about. Many boxes don't have this feature.
Yes, a splitter and a A/B switch would take care of that.Their analog situation won't change.

Well, I knew their situation wouldn't change, I was worried about being able to tune them with the converter box. I looked at a few models that have passthrough, and it seems that you have to select the passthrough option in the menu somewhere.

I assume this to mean that you have to scroll through all your digital channels via the STB, then switch to passthrough mode and use your TV's old tuner to get the analog channels. I was hoping you could just scroll through everything at once via the STB.

Niagara county is ideal for TV reception.

I hope that's the case. I asked the original question because I'm afraid of losing access to channels that I previously had when they were analog. Through a rooftop antenna, I got beautiful reception of most Canadian channels. But now, who knows if I'll get them at all?

titantv.com has new HD channels listed on there web site for TW-WNY. They are:
1000 HDPPV
1001 HDOD
1020 CNNHD
1042 OUTHHD
1043 MSGHD
1045 FOODHD
1046 SNYHD
1062 STARZHD
1064 CINEMAXHD
1090 HDOD

Is this accurate and if so when will we see them? There is nothing I have seen from TW and there is nothing on there web site.

HOLY ****! New HD in this area?! Hath Hell froze over?

Eh... all fairly lame, though. Where's Sci-Fi HD?

Once they go live... any word on whether they're SDV?

Here's what... Topeka, KS (?!) just got for new HD channels. Thanks, lame, TW WNY...

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/28/cox-brings-11-new-hd-channels-to-topeka-kansas/

that info from titan tv looks like the lineup that is being delivered in alden --> off the twc rochester system

Here's what... Topeka, KS (?!) just got for new HD channels. Thanks, lame, TW WNY...To be fair - it isn't lame TW, it's that Adelphia was lame and didn't keep their system up to date. It take time to bring the system up-to-date so that they can deploy SDV.

TW Rochester has deployed SDV and we now have 40 HD channels here.

EDIT: I just came across this article in the LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hdtv27-2008may27,0,2651157.story?page=1&track=rss) about a similar situation there. TW took over an Adelphia system and has been struggling to update the system.

All I know is that for $$211+ a month I should be getting more HD channels.. (that includes my cable internet and all the HD channels I can get- plus hardware rental) but still. Damn, we need more HD channels in Amherst.. it's getting very very hard to stay with TWC with my beloved 52" HDTV. I would settle for even having On-Demand HD, Nat Geo, and the rest of of the discovery channels in HD.. for now, but who knows when even that will happen.

I guess Speed Channel in HD will be somewhere in 2019 if I am lucky.. I just don't want to deal with all the downsides (iffy local channels, etc) of having a dish and a crappy contract. :mad:

switch to directv. I left twc last summer. MY bill was $152 for their highest pack with internet. Now i keep the internet for $40 and my directv bill is $115 for 3 hr/dvr recievers. I have way more channels with directv than twc. I wish i would of switched sooner. I cant believe your bill is over $200 a month, ouch! About the local channels u get them with directv. Only thing u dont get is cbs wb and cw in hd. However if u are in amherst any indoor antenna even a small silver sensor will get u all buffalo hd channels at close to 100% signal

Thanks for the info. I will have to pull the trigger soon.. and get it done.

Funny thing is that I know I paid over $211 - but on all the records they show slightly less amounts. I have to check that out- seems like they are skimming money off the top, LOL. Weird.

Statement Details
PRIOR MONTH HISTORY:
02/06 Balance Last Statement . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $210.72
02/26 Payment Received - Thank You . . . . . . . . . . . ($210.72) Credit
MONTHLY SERVICES:
03/15-04/14 Surf + View . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $104.95
Broadcast Tier, Cable Tier, Digital Tier, Digital
Variety, Digital HD Tier, Digital Movie/Sports, Road
Runner
Digital Equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $7.33
Digital Converter, Digital Remote
Additional Digital Equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . $11.57
HBO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Showtime/TMC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Cinemax . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Starz . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
HD DVR Converter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $7.09
DVR Service Charge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $6.95
Modem . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $3.00
Road Runner Turbo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $9.95
TAXES AND FEES:
Cable Franchise Fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $8.02
Cable FCC Fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $0.06
CURRENT MONTH'S CHARGES . . . . $210.72
TOTAL AMOUNT DUE . . . . . . $210.72

Thanks for the info. I will have to pull the trigger soon.. and get it done.

Funny thing is that I know I paid over $211 - but on all the records they show slightly less amounts. I have to check that out- seems like they are skimming money off the top, LOL. Weird.

Statement Details
PRIOR MONTH HISTORY:
02/06 Balance Last Statement . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $210.72
02/26 Payment Received - Thank You . . . . . . . . . . . ($210.72) Credit
MONTHLY SERVICES:
03/15-04/14 Surf + View . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $104.95
Broadcast Tier, Cable Tier, Digital Tier, Digital
Variety, Digital HD Tier, Digital Movie/Sports, Road
Runner
Digital Equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $7.33
Digital Converter, Digital Remote
Additional Digital Equipment . . . . . . . . . . . . . $11.57
HBO . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Showtime/TMC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Cinemax . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
Starz . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $12.95
HD DVR Converter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $7.09
DVR Service Charge . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $6.95
Modem . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $3.00
Road Runner Turbo . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $9.95
TAXES AND FEES:
Cable Franchise Fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $8.02
Cable FCC Fee . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $0.06
CURRENT MONTH'S CHARGES . . . . $210.72
TOTAL AMOUNT DUE . . . . . . $210.72

I just dumped TW for DirecTV a few weeks ago and couldn't be happier.

Just wondering where you're located....here in Western NY they used to put those premium stations (HBO, etc...) into a price group and offer a discount!!??

I'm in Amherst too.. Yeah.. I guess they are technically in a package of some sort.. that is what they said, but I think it's BS. The price just keeps going up w/ the same services. It used to be in the $18x.00 range. Soon I am sure it will be up to 220. I have a couple regular boxes and one HD DVR.. They make you rent the remotes. It is ridiculous.





EDIT- oh the big problem is that I cannot live w/o my 660GB of storage.
Check my sig-
SA 8300 with SARA 1.89.24.1- AZiO ENC311SU41 eSATA- WD SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB- it works!- 52" 62U Sharp Aquos via HDMI-

I don't think that will work like that. Also I can record TWO HD channels and watch a third one at the same time. Is that possible with DirectTV service at all? Does the e-SATA port work on the latest DVR they offer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite
I am also worried about this... but don't know if anyone can be sure if the situation has stabilized or not.

I'm in Amherst too.. Yeah.. I guess they are technically in a package of some sort.. that is what they said, but I think it's BS. The price just keeps going up w/ the same services. It used to be in the $18x.00 range. Soon I am sure it will be up to 220. I have a couple regular boxes and one HD DVR.. They make you rent the remotes. It is ridiculous.





EDIT- oh the big problem is that I cannot live w/o my 660GB of storage.
Check my sig-
SA 8300 with SARA 1.89.24.1- AZiO ENC311SU41 eSATA- WD SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB- it works!- 52" 62U Sharp Aquos via HDMI-

I don't think that will work like that. Also I can record TWO HD channels and watch a third one at the same time. Is that possible with DirectTV service at all? Does the e-SATA port work on the latest DVR they offer?

I'm pretty sure you can do the same with DirecTV e-SATA, but I've never tried it.

I'm also pretty sure I can record TWO HD channels and watch a third (PRE-RECORDED) one at the same time, just like with TW.

What you can't do it "copy to VCR" and watch a different program, but that's a small price to pay for a lot more with D*!!!

PS: I called TW to ask how to save $? I said what happens if I drop STARZ and they say my bill goes up $4 'cause I lose my "package" status. If I also drop Cinemax, I save $4 total......TOTAL BS!!

By going with D* and Verizon bundle, I figure I'll save almost $500 my first year.

DSL is slower, but most everything else is at least as good or way better!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite
I am also worried about this... but don't know if anyone can be sure if the situation has stabilized or not.
D* older MPEG2 HD channels are still HD Lite, but all their new MPEG4 HD channels (which account for about 90% of their nearly 100 HD channels) are full HD and look awesome. Their older MPEG2 channels will be switched over to MPEG4 most likely this year. Their newest satellite (D11) was launched in March and is now undergoing in orbit testing. Once it's online, that's when the MPEG2 channels will likely switch to MPEG4. Plus they'll be able to add even more HD channels.

I've been with D* for over 5 years and would never think of getting rid of them for cable. Cable is so 20th century... :D

D* older MPEG2 HD channels are still HD Lite, but all their new MPEG4 HD channels (which account for about 90% of their nearly 100 HD channels) are full HD and look awesome. Unfortunately, whether or not the D* channels are HD Lite has not been established. The MPEG4 channels may look awesome, but they may still be reduced resolution. There is no magic in MPEG4, it is more efficient than MPEG2, and thus uses about 1/2 the bitrate. Reduced resolution (to further increase bitrate efficiency) can be used with MPEG4, as well as MPEG2.

Well if you have FIOS, TV should be available this fall. With the possibility of 150 HD Channels I can't wait, just waiting for the PSC to pass it here in Tonawanda.

http://www.buffalonews.com/businesstoday/localbusiness/story/356903.html

it's that Adelphia was lame and didn't keep their system up to date.Maybe they felt SDV wsn't the way to go. :rolleyes:
All I know is that for $$211+ a month I should be getting more HD channels.You are paying $200 a month to watch TV?? :rolleyes:

FWIW, I found this for a possible SDV solution;
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/05/sdv_tuning_adapters_are_real.html

Damn, we need more HD channels in Amherst.Just don't know exactly how to respond to that other than: anything for Amherst. :rolleyes:

it's that Adelphia was lame and didn't keep their system up to date.Maybe they felt SDV wsn't the way to go. :rolleyes:But it so clearly was the way t go: witness our 40 HD channels on Rochester TW.:cool:

videobruce- Do you think we'll see them on Sat? I believe I did way back when they were testing last year some time!

You are paying $200 a month to watch TV?? :rolleyes:


Actually no, ($210.72)- that is the entire bill, w/ cable internet at 15mbit/s down, 2mbit/sec up- which I explained.

But w/ internet, and all the HD channels I can get through TWC, that is the cost. I could save $9.xx by going to the lower tier internet connection, but I think the internet connection is a fair deal, it is the cost to get all the HD channels which sucks.

But it so clearly was the way t go: witness our 40 HD channels on Rochester TW.It would be "clearer" if they would just dump analog, supply boxes to those that don't have QAM tuners and for get SDV altogether! :mad:
Sounds as you own stock in Cable Labs & TWC.Actually no, ($210.72)- that is the entire bill, w/ cable internet at 15mbit/s down, 2mbit/sec upOk, you are paying $170 to watch TV. :rolleyes:Do you think we'll see them on Sat?As in satellite? Sorry, but you are asking the wrong person.

It would be "clearer" if they would just dump analog, supply boxes to those that don't have QAM tuners and for get SDV altogether! :mad:
Sounds as you own stock in Cable Labs & TWC.Nope(except what my mutual funds may hold). I'm just a person with 5 analog TVs in the house (in addition to 3 digital - none with CableCARDs) who wants to continue to receive cable channels on those TVs. While I am not TW's "typical" customer, I apparently am more so than you are.

The negative impact of SDV is limited to few customers when compared to the negative impact of dropping analog for the majority of customers.

compared to the negative impact of dropping analog for the majority of customers.Not if they supply boxes as I stated.

Not if they supply boxes as I stated.I (as well as most "typical" legacy customers don't want:

To Pay for additional boxes
The hassle of a box and it's remote.

And why is it that you are so opposed to SDV, (the above two items perhaps)?

But the point earlier, was that upgrading the system takes time and $$$. $$$ was something Adelphia didn't have - so folks on old Adelphia systems are suffering.

YOU may not like SDV, but the reality is that is the approach that most cable systems are taking for more HD. Pure digital systems will come, but there are significant hurdles that need to be overcome.

Ok, you are paying $170 to watch TV. :rolleyes:


Actually 3 TV's, all have all channels available and all on-demand channels. (which my wife watches sometimes).

Also to rent the HD-DVR and service, that I know works with my 500GB external HD which gives my 660GB of HD recording space to watch on my Home Theater. The only thing that pisses me off is the lack of HD channels. --EDIT- and the lack of HD on demand that close by customers have--- I would pay that price if I had all the HD channels that D* has..
(Direct TV I guess that means:confused: )

---and if I knew the signal wouldn't go out or get interrupted in snow storms, wind storms, ice storms, thunderstorms, leaves on the dishes, if I didn't have to sign a 2 year contract, If I knew that the HD channels looked as good as I get them now, if I could be guaranteed my external HD would work, if I knew I could record two HD programs while watching a third pre-recorded HD program while using an external hard drive, if I knew exactly which HD channels I would get in lowered resolution (HD-Lite), If I knew all those things ahead of time- I would switch to satellite tomorrow.

I spent a week talking to so called "customer service" and sales people from both satellite companies and no one could give me straight answers to any of those questions.. (except the 2 year contract :rolleyes:) i even got escalated to tier two tech support w/o being a customer just to find out if the e-SATA port is there, and if it works on the latest and greatest DVR they give you. I got no answers, they just wanted me to sign up. I am used to my recording space, I would be willing to wait for FIOS TV, or for TWC to beef up their HD channel line-up if I knew it was ever going to happen. I'm not saying that I am happy with the price now for what I get, especially the 23 or so HD channels.. but if any of the other unknowns come to be, I'll be stuck with it, and that would suck just as bad as having to pay as much as I do for what I currently have.

If I knew all those things ahead of time- I would switch to satellite tomorrow.



I switched from TW to DirecTV a few weeks ago and, so far, I'd say I'd do it again in a heartbeat. (I don't own stock in D* or sell for them....I was just tired on TW's attitude that new customers get breaks and long-time customers can take it or leave it!!!)

You might try to get your questions answered on the dbstalk forums...lots of independent people that I've found are very willing to help us newbies out with our never-ending questions.

IE: The eSATA forum is:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=92029

At least you might be able to make a more informed decision.

Good Luck!!

IE: The eSATA forum is:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=92029

At least you might be able to make a more informed decision.

Good Luck!!


Cool, I will have to do some major reading..

As in satellite? Sorry, but you are asking the wrong person.

No - As is Saturday- June, 7

very quick question: i own Sony sxrd xbr1. i used to get free over the air HD channels until 2 weeks ago when they all dropped. tried to scan but nothing. I can not get a single HD/ digital channel per my TV scan. any ideas?
thanks

sounds like u got a bad antenna or cable. Get a cheap $10 uhf antenna plug it in and rescan. That should start u on the right track

i bought a uhf antenna but still nothing. no digital channels what so ever.i did antenna scan but all the channels r so bad u can get a squint looking at them... I have my twc provided by landlord.. i was getting all the HD channels but now nothing...my tv is only showing analog channels now... this is confusing...
could it be that my twc was providing them and now stopped that's y i lost them (i have no cable box by the way, so i think this is unlikely)??
when i used to get these channels,i used to do cable scan....(i also used to get the HD channels in ohio also before i moved to williamsville...i also did cable scan that time)
any thoughts??!!!
thanks

It sounds like you were receiving the un-encrypted qam channels thru your digital tuner on your hdtv. Were the channels on stations like 88.1, 88.2- 106.1, 106.2 etc? If so thats the local channels in HD via qam. They may be re-arranging them at twc.

I (as well as most "typical" legacy customers don't want:
To Pay for additional boxes
The hassle of a box and it's remote.Sounds as you are speaking for yourself. Those "typical" customers dealt with converter boxes in the past, let them deal with them now. If they don't like it, go satellite with their 'converter' box. BTW, I failed to mention, the MSO would suppply the box for anyone that doesn't have a QAM tuner for the basic channels that use to be analog.

(Please don't bother with a sob story for the MSO's for footing the bill. They have the $$, just look at their most recent profit figures).
And why is it that you are so opposed to SDV1. It obsoletes exsiting technology. CC's and existion QAM tuners.
2. It isn't necessary as I have already stated. Convert 70 analog channels to digital, use the additional freed up space for additional HD & SD digital channels.

Simple, no SDV.

Jimboo; what's special about Saturday?

SEGMA98; You say you have done another rescan with your TV? Do you have access to another set with a QAM tuner? Where exactly are you? That '21' zip code comprises the actual village of Williamsville, the SE part of Amherst and the SW part of Clarence. Clarence might of been on a different system orginally when it was first wired. Not sure.

videobruce said: Jimboo; what's special about Saturday?

The newest canadian stations are finally going to be up and running- do you think there's any chance of getting em in Buffalo? At 15kw?

44.1 & 64.1, the two Omni stations??

44.1 & 64.1, the two Omni stations??

YES - they're gonna be lit up at noon on Saturday!

It sounds like you were receiving the un-encrypted qam channels thru your digital tuner on your hdtv. Were the channels on stations like 88.1, 88.2- 106.1, 106.2 etc? If so thats the local channels in HD via qam. They may be re-arranging them at twc.

yes , the HD channels i used to get had 106.1, 106.2...etc...
how can i get them back again?
thanks

yes , the HD channels i used to get had 106.1, 106.2...etc...
how can i get them back again?
thanks

Make sure you're scanning on for digital cable channels not over the air- My set has 3 different ways to scan - standard channel search, digital add on search and digital cable search.

my tv used to get these HD channels by doing general scan (it will add all analog, digital, HD channels). when it failed to do so i did "digital scan". still nothing...will try again today....thanks for the help

Good news for us D* people. WIVB and WNLO can now be transmitted in HD.
Still will probably have to wait until Fall when the new sat. is live to see them added.

http://lintv.com/news/images/PDFs/news_releases/LIN%20TV%20and%20DIRECTV%20Announce%20Retrans%20Agreement%20 for%20HD%20Signals%20-%206-9-08.pdf

Good news for us D* people. WIVB and WNLO can now be transmitted in HD.
Still will probably have to wait until Fall when the new sat. is live to see them added.

http://lintv.com/news/images/PDFs/news_releases/LIN%20TV%20and%20DIRECTV%20Announce%20Retrans%20Agreement%20 for%20HD%20Signals%20-%206-9-08.pdf
Actually we'll probably get them a lot sooner than the fall. They can just be added to the existing spot beam from D10 that we get 2, 7 and 29 in HD from. Most likely there is still bandwidth available to at least add 4 if not 23 as well. I wouldn't be shocked to see 4 in HD this Wednesday.

Good news for us D* people. WIVB and WNLO can now be transmitted in HD.
Still will probably have to wait until Fall when the new sat. is live to see them added.

http://lintv.com/news/images/PDFs/news_releases/LIN%20TV%20and%20DIRECTV%20Announce%20Retrans%20Agreement%20 for%20HD%20Signals%20-%206-9-08.pdf
A couple said that channel 4 will be available on D* beginning 6/11. They announced it on their 5:30 newscast last night. Channel 23 is still TBD when it will be added.

I was able to receive 64.1 for the first time this AM. Conditions were up above average for most of the channels out of Totonto (but not all). Nothing on 44.1 because of the ch. 43 trap. To my surprise, 65.1 CIII (Global) was not receiveable as it is when conditions improve..

I would rather have it the other way around since CFMT, Omni 1 (47.0) is mostly ethnic.

I get a blip of a signal on my zenith dtt900 - for 44.1 and nothing on 64. Bruce do you think I might have a better chance at a watchable pic on these after 2/17/09- because i'm so close to GI?? Do you get chch- on 18 from your location. CBC and CHCH have been above normal signal strength at my place for days now

It's dropping out now. CFTO (40.1) was very strong also at the time of my last post.
To answer your question, probably not unless you either try moving your antenna and/or go my route.

I'm replaceing the d/l with RG11 and going to try a CM 4248 to replace the 4228. Per Rick's suggestion, I'm also going to try this Wnegard HDP-269 preamp (as much as I don't like preamps).

A couple said that channel 4 will be available on D* beginning 6/11. They announced it on their 5:30 newscast last night. Channel 23 is still TBD when it will be added.
WIVB-HD was added to D* at 6AM today. WNLO is still TBD.

Screen shots of CFMT 64.1 (Omni 1, 47) & CIII 65.1 ( Global, 41).

In order of received signal levels:
20.1 (strongest by far),
40.1 (well below CBLT),
64.1 (just below CFTO),
65.1 (just below CFMT),
66.1 (rarely receiveable),
44.1 (not receivable)

(yes, they are in numerical order. It just happens to work out that way)

any word on whether they're SDV?

When I talked to a csr at TW today she said 6/15. Anyone know if the new hd channels are added right away or is that another wait period?

If I'm reading this right- This is the free HD folks in Rochester get on TWC. It would be nice to get even some of these in buffalo!! Is History channel not in HD?

Included in Digital Tier
1007 -- WUHF HD (ch. 7; FOX)***
1008 -- WROC HD (ch. 8; CBS)
1010 -- WHEC HD (ch. 10; NBC)
1011 -- WXXI HD (ch. 11; PBS)
1012 -- Lifetime Movie Net HD^
1013 -- WHAM HD (ch. 13; ABC)
1014 -- MOJO
1015 -- MTV HD^
1016 -- CW HD (ch. 16 CW WHAM)
1020 -- CNN^
1023 -- TLC HD^
1024 -- Science Channel HD^
1030 -- Discovery HD Theater
1033 -- TNT HD
1036 -- Discovery HD^
1037 -- A&E HD^
1038 -- Biography HD^
1040 -- The Travel Channel HD^
1041 -- ESPN News HD^
1042 -- The Outdoor Channel HD^
1043 -- MSG HD^
1044 -- NHL HD^****
1045 -- Food Network HD
1046 -- SportsNet NY HD
1047 -- YES HD
1048 -- VERSUS/ Golf HD
1049 -- TBS HD^
1052 -- ESPN HD
1053 -- ESPN2 HD
1055 -- National Geographic HD^
1056 -- Home & Garden HD^
1060 -- High Definition HBO**
1061 -- High Definition Showtime**
1062 -- Starz HD**^
1063 -- History Channel^
1068 -- Animal Planet HD^
1090 -- HD On Demand (On Demand Pay-Per-View)^

If I'm reading this right- This is the free HD folks in Rochester get on TWC. It would be nice to get even some of these in buffalo!! Is History channel not in HD? It is (well, as much has they have real HD programs).

When I talked to a csr at TW today she said 6/15. Anyone know if the new hd channels are added right away or is that another wait period?I'll tell you what they did in Rochester. First they switched (pun not intended) some of the foreign language SD channels to SDV. This limited their exposure to a few, little watched, channels. Then they switched a couple of their existing HD channels that the had never authorized for CableCARDs (example: UniversalHD) to SDV. Then they added a few new HD channels, and have been adding several new HD channels a month. If they are starting SDV 6/15 (which I doubt as changes are almost always scheduled for Tuesdays), you probably won't see significant HD expansion for a month or two. For your sake, I hope I am wrong.

Of course, that doesn't mean that they will add the HD channels that you want. We still don't have USA HD (they have lots of interesting summer shows), but we do have history HD.

This is the free HD folks in Rochester get on TWC.They are "free' if you pay for a digital cable tier. If you just pay for analog, thay are not in the clear AFAIK.
At least that is the way it is here so I don't expect it to be different elsewhere.

Let me see now, "free", I always thought that meant you didn't have to pay for it. :rolleyes:
More corporate BS. :mad:

SDV is good!No it's not. You have just been brainwashed by a MSO. The same can be done with my plan and it doesn't obsolete anything.

They are "free' ifLet me see now, "free", I always thought that meant you didn't have to pay for it. :rolleyes: More corporate BS. :mad:

What else do I have to spend money on anyway:

Food, Gas and Digital cable right?

No it's not. You have just been brainwashed by a MSO. The same can be done with my plan and it doesn't obsolete anything.

What's your plan?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14018187&postcount=4698
This has been brought up many times.

If I'm reading this right- This is the free HD folks in Rochester get on TWC. It would be nice to get even some of these in buffalo!! Is History channel not in HD?

Included in Digital Tier
1007 -- WUHF HD (ch. 7; FOX)***
1008 -- WROC HD (ch. 8; CBS)
1010 -- WHEC HD (ch. 10; NBC)
1011 -- WXXI HD (ch. 11; PBS)
1012 -- Lifetime Movie Net HD^
1013 -- WHAM HD (ch. 13; ABC)
1014 -- MOJO
1015 -- MTV HD^
1016 -- CW HD (ch. 16 CW WHAM)
1020 -- CNN^
1023 -- TLC HD^
1024 -- Science Channel HD^
1030 -- Discovery HD Theater
1033 -- TNT HD
1036 -- Discovery HD^
1037 -- A&E HD^
1038 -- Biography HD^
1040 -- The Travel Channel HD^
1041 -- ESPN News HD^
1042 -- The Outdoor Channel HD^
1043 -- MSG HD^
1044 -- NHL HD^****
1045 -- Food Network HD
1046 -- SportsNet NY HD
1047 -- YES HD
1048 -- VERSUS/ Golf HD
1049 -- TBS HD^
1052 -- ESPN HD
1053 -- ESPN2 HD
1055 -- National Geographic HD^
1056 -- Home & Garden HD^
1060 -- High Definition HBO**
1061 -- High Definition Showtime**
1062 -- Starz HD**^
1063 -- History Channel^
1068 -- Animal Planet HD^
1090 -- HD On Demand (On Demand Pay-Per-View)^


It would be nice to get ON DEMAND HD in Buffalo.. they advertise it constantly. I have to pay about 13 bucks EACH for HD Showtime/HBO/Cinemax/Starz in HD.. I doubt very highly they get any premium channels for free for any length of time.
Anyway, We do need all the discovery channels that are available in HD, all the history channels that are available in HD, and on-demand HD at least.

Right now on my guide I see 20 extra TEST channels. TEST1 through TES20 on channels 1500 through 1519. Even though SPEED channel sucks now, there are still a bunch of things I would like to record and watch in HD on SPEED.. I have a feeling I could wait a decade and we wouldn't get that channel in HD with TWC.

The ones in red besides premiums- we don't get (Buffalo) .. What BS.. especially for the high price.

Time Warner Cable is rolling out a new interactive technology in your area known as Switched Digital Video (“SDV”). SDV is a particularly exciting bandwidth-management breakthrough that makes it possible for us to offer many additional services, including new HD channels and HD versions of popular existing channels, to our customers. SDV allows us to provide these additional services, while at the same time continuing to offer existing services, because channels delivered using SDV are only transmitted over the cable system on an as-needed basis. As a result, SDV uses system capacity more efficiently than the traditional, always-on method. However, in order to launch all the new services our customers want, first we must migrate some existing services to SDV in order to make additional bandwidth available.



Originally planned to begin on June 15, 2008 the start date will actually be June 25, 2008, Time Warner Cable will begin providing a number of our existing, lesser-viewed channels via SDV. The list is as follows:

NYS Legislative Channel 127
ESPN Espanol 136
ESPN U 137
NBA Channel 140
Trinity Broadcasting Network 168
History Espanol 280
MTV Tr3s 281
Discovery En Espanol 283
CineLatino 284
Mun2 285
Fox Sports Espanol 286
CNN Espanol 287
Toon Disney Espanol 288
InDemand Pay-Per View 300-307
Playboy Pay-Per View 341
Club Jenna Pay-Per View 342
Penthouse TV Pay-Per View 343
TEN Clips Pay-Per View 344
TEN Blox Pay-Per View 345
TEN Blue Pay-Per View 346
ESPN Game Plan 501-506
ESPN Full Court 501-506
NBA League Pass Package 511-515
MLS Direct Kick Package 516-519
MLB Extra Innings Package 531-544
NHL Center Ice Package 531-544
TNT HD 724
ESPN HD 726
ESPN 2 HD 727
Discovery HD Theater 740
A&E HD 742
MHD (Music High Definition) 760
YES Network HD 770
Versus/Golf Channel HD 771
HBO HD 780
Showtime HD 781
Starz HD 782
Cinemax HD 783
Universal HD 790
HDNet 791
HDNet Movies 792
MOJO HD 793

When will Time Warner be offering tuning adapters to allow CableCARD customers to receive all these channels also? (you know, channels that they're paying for but will not be able to receive due to this exciting, interactive technology)

And what additional channels will be added to lineups to take advantage of the newly available bandwidth? And when will they be added?

@mcquillen811
What area is that for? WNY Suburban?

Seriously, Verizon can't get here fast enough.

I would assume it is the Buffalo & Suburban TWC service areas. I am in the Suburban area.

Hasn't TWC indicated that only new channels would be SDV; that they wouldn't be taking away channels from CC customers?

Unrelated: The installers from Five West are the absolute worst. They have no idea how to install a CableCard, they use inappropriate language, and smell like smoke mixed with cheep cologne.

Hasn't TWC indicated that only new channels would be SDV; that they wouldn't be taking away channels from CC customers?That's been the normal TWC corporate philosophy. They have usually not authorized "SDV targeted" channels for CableCARDs quite some time ago. (That's what they did here in Rochester.) That way no one had anything taken away when they started SDV. But the situation could well have been different with Adelphia.

TWC has this written on their website:

*HD Tier channels ($5.00/month). CableCARDs will not have access to any New HD channels added to the HD tier.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/WNY/programming/hdprogramming.html

Seems to indicate they wouldn't move current HD channels to SDV but I wouldn't put it past them. It seems they wouldn't want to lose CableCARD customers, since they pay an outrageous $4.95 for the first card and $6.95 for each additional.

Edit: No mention of SDV starting on the upcoming changes page:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/WNY/programming/programmingchanges.html

Moved into the new place, approx. 3 km from the old house. Now I have to pony up for a new antenna. I had a 4228 previously, is there anything else on the market more superior to it. The only problem I had was that the Toronto stations were a bit weak on it, coming from the back side, but the Buffalo channels were great. I remember that an antenna guy from Buffalo was going to start to sell a redesigned antenna (forget his handle/name).
Any suggestions on an antenna will be appreciated.:D

Thanks,

John

I have a db8. I am able to get cbc from my location (62 miles awy) works well. I think it is comparable to the 4228. It is much lighter than a 4228 too. The guy i think u are looking for is rich from lockport. I found a number before on yahoo local. search for antenna in lockport

Then they added a few new HD channels, and have been adding several new HD channels a month.

Is there a chance of ANY new channels the day of the switch- 6/25 or will it most likely be months as you say?

TWC has this written on their website:

*HD Tier channels ($5.00/month). CableCARDs will not have access to any New HD channels added to the HD tier.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/WNY/programming/hdprogramming.html

Seems to indicate they wouldn't move current HD channels to SDV but I wouldn't put it past them. It seems they wouldn't want to lose CableCARD customers, since they pay an outrageous $4.95 for the first card and $6.95 for each additional.

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Where is that the price?! That's insane!

My friend just got 2 CableCARDs for her TiVoHD in Hamburg and I can't imagine she is paying that much; I would have heard about it.

What I DID hear about was the 3 visits and about 2.5 weeks which is how long it took TW to get her CableCARD install correct.

The rest of the email i recieved regarding additional channels:

In regards to the addition of more HD channels, we are constantly working on adding new HD channels and you can certainly expect to see many more in the future, but no specific dates have been made available at this time.

If you have any further concerns please feel free to e-mail us at your convenience or you can contact our 24 hour Customer Care Center at 1-866-668-6044 or 1-866-296-2339 for questions about SDV.

Thank you,
Kelly
Time Warner Cable Customer Support

our Customer Care Center at 1-866-668-6044 or 1-866-296-2339 for questions about SDV.

So - when I called the 2339 number today - Joe told me the date for SDV rollout has been pushed back again and won't happpen till sometime in July!
He did also say -some channels will be added soon after the update to sdv and more to follow in the months ahead.

Wow - first I heard 6/15- then 6/25 now later - Maybe something will really change in '09!

ProBrand Int. ROTR100;
http://www.eagleaspen.com/products/products_1.php?id=90.

Does anyone know anything about this rotator. Sinse there is feedback/communication between the controller and the rotator could i install three controlers at my three tVs and control the rotator from all three locations???

Message from Steve Jaworowski:
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Patrick:

First, SDV has not been “pushed back” as you indicate because we never have published a date…for this exact reason. Our communication to you has always been that we will be looking to SDV in the mid-to-late summer. Any comments online from anyone other Robin Wolfgang ore myself cannot be substantiated. That being said, we will be launching SDV this summer. We will be testing with our employee and subscribers to ensure the best solution and performance before a mass market launch. We do this with all new products. As I am responsible for programming in Buffalo, after these test, we will begin launching new HD channels. We will launch a number of channels over a number of months. I cannot and will not comment at this time on what the exact timeframe is or what channels we will launch because there are a number of factors that will go into making this decision.


Regards,






~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Steve Jaworowski

Division Vice President, Marketing & Sales

Time Warner Cable

F: 716-558-8514



Effective June 23 my new mailing address is:

2875 Union Rd.

Suite 359

Cheektowaga, NY 14227

Thanks for the Update!

TWC is always good for a laugh. I wish i would of dumped them years ago,

Originally planned to begin on June 15, 2008 the start date will actually be June 25, 2008, Time Warner Cable will begin providing a number of our existing, lesser-viewed channels via SDV. The list is as follows:

NYS Legislative Channel 127
ESPN Espanol 136
ESPN U 137
NBA Channel 140
Trinity Broadcasting Network 168
History Espanol 280
MTV Tr3s 281
Discovery En Espanol 283
CineLatino 284
Mun2 285
Fox Sports Espanol 286
CNN Espanol 287
Toon Disney Espanol 288
InDemand Pay-Per View 300-307
Playboy Pay-Per View 341
Club Jenna Pay-Per View 342
Penthouse TV Pay-Per View 343
TEN Clips Pay-Per View 344
TEN Blox Pay-Per View 345
TEN Blue Pay-Per View 346
ESPN Game Plan 501-506
ESPN Full Court 501-506
NBA League Pass Package 511-515
MLS Direct Kick Package 516-519
MLB Extra Innings Package 531-544
NHL Center Ice Package 531-544
TNT HD 724
ESPN HD 726
ESPN 2 HD 727
Discovery HD Theater 740
A&E HD 742
MHD (Music High Definition) 760
YES Network HD 770
Versus/Golf Channel HD 771
HBO HD 780
Showtime HD 781
Starz HD 782
Cinemax HD 783
Universal HD 790
HDNet 791
HDNet Movies 792
MOJO HD 793

What a CRAPPY channel line-up. WTF. No new HD channels and a bunch of other junk.

ProBrand Int. ROTR100;
http://www.eagleaspen.com/products/products_1.php?id=90.
Does anyone know anything about this rotator. Sinse there is feedback/communication between the controller and the rotator could i install three controlers at my three tVs and control the rotator from all three locations??? Never heard of it; :eek:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=840847&highlight=eagle+aspen

I would say no, but you could use a RF remote and do the same thing by taking the remote with you.

What a CRAPPY channel line-up. WTF. No new HD channels and a bunch of other junk.

I believe these are the Lesser viewed channels they are switching to sdv- not the actual potential hd channel lineup they will have after sdv.

This is what we may have after sdv - for what i'm paying I hope half of these are delivered.


1012 -- Lifetime Movie Net HD^
1013 -- WHAM HD (ch. 13; ABC)
1014 -- MOJO
1015 -- MTV HD^
1016 -- CW HD (ch. 16 CW WHAM)
1020 -- CNN^
1023 -- TLC HD^
1024 -- Science Channel HD^
1030 -- Discovery HD Theater
1033 -- TNT HD
1036 -- Discovery HD^
1037 -- A&E HD^
1038 -- Biography HD^
1040 -- The Travel Channel HD^
1041 -- ESPN News HD^
1042 -- The Outdoor Channel HD^
1043 -- MSG HD^
1044 -- NHL HD^****
1045 -- Food Network HD
1046 -- SportsNet NY HD
1047 -- YES HD
1048 -- VERSUS/ Golf HD
1049 -- TBS HD^
1052 -- ESPN HD
1053 -- ESPN2 HD
1055 -- National Geographic HD^
1056 -- Home & Garden HD^
1060 -- High Definition HBO**
1061 -- High Definition Showtime**
1062 -- Starz HD**^
1063 -- History Channel^
1068 -- Animal Planet HD^
1090 -- HD On Demand (On Demand Pay-Per-View)^

What a CRAPPY channel line-up. WTF. No new HD channels and a bunch of other junk.This is the process that they (TW) followed rolling out SDV in Rochester. First migrate some lesser watched SD channels to SDV, then migrate the rest. Finally start adding new channels.

I believe that the concern is that because SDV is based on local nodes and edge QAMs installed at the local nodes (plus getting a good return path from each STB) there are many opportunities for things to go wrong on a local basis. They need to EASE into this.

jimdoo,

Your list does not include the latest additions in Rochester (added this Tuesday):

1018 -- Disney HD
1019 -- Toon Disney HD
1031 -- ABC Family HD

OIC.... I think I will go to direct TV anyway, I just got off the phone with them.. They have over 50 HD channels now, and I would get them all for a lot less than I am paying now fr all the TWC HD channels.

For people with nice big HDTV's that like to watch as much HD content as possible, (or record it to DVR) TWC just doesn't make much sense anymore id satellite is an option.

I've been a DTV subscriber in the past and think they offer a good product at a good price! - I just dont like being Stuck in a contract for 2+ years - with no chance to try something else- However that's probably where i'll end up again eventually w/ Verizon - FIOS. IF THEIR SERVICE EVER BECOMES AVAIL IN THE BUFFALO AREA!

Yeah that is my only concern, the 2 year contract, but I have been with Adelphia/ TWC for 8 years, so 2 years doesn't seem so long.

I've been with D* for over 5 years. There's absolutely nothing TW has that would even make me think about switching.

I haven't seen this mentioned here

http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2008/tv-choice-and-competition-8.html

It has been many times. (About the same number of times TW's channel lineup has been posted.) :rolleyes:
Verizon & corporate American's continued anti-city discrimination practices favoring the surburbs over the city that created their esistance in the first place. :mad: