Playing around with a Radio Shack 15-1874 at my parents.

Was wondering why WIVB always seems to be harder to pull in than WGRZ.

http://barcodepartsandmore.com/yourauctionhq/AAA_GRIFF/9-19-08/getzville-station_strengths.JPG

It's basically just a little further and transmits with a much stronger signal.

Am I missing something???

thnx

A bit behind the times..... Directv has had MSG HD since last december. I got all home games in HD as of Jan 1.

Cool. What STB are you using? I heard that it was 'special' in some way, but my brother was telling me about this and he doesn't Understand home theater. Does that STB have an HD-DVR?

If so, I'll sign up this month. Thanks!!!

and while I'm at it, are there any local people that do ISF calibrations?

i have the hr20 box It was discontinued but you can get the hr21 box (it is black) . Only difference is the hr20 has built in ability to get ota tv. Anyway, u need the new slimline dish and the hr20 or hr21 reciever. U need this stuff to get the mpeg 4 channels that are now being launched. Again as of Jan 1st i get MSG HD and MSGalt HD. There are 2 msg channels. The main one is the nyc version. The alternate channel is only on during sabres home games. Also the hr20 and hr21 have dvr built in.

i have the hr20 box It was discontinued but you can get the hr21 box (it is black) . Only difference is the hr20 has built in ability to get ota tv. Anyway, u need the new slimline dish and the hr20 or hr21 reciever. U need this stuff to get the mpeg 4 channels that are now being launched. Again as of Jan 1st i get MSG HD and MSGalt HD. There are 2 msg channels. The main one is the nyc version. The alternate channel is only on during sabres home games. Also the hr20 and hr21 have dvr built in.

OK, thanks for the info, that's a big help in my decision to switch...except...The newer version doesn't get OTA, hmm? Idiotic. This is a problem, since I want CBC-HD.

At least it's got native mode passthrough, which is more than I can say about the idiots at Dish Network. I'm probably going to drop Dish because of that.

Just something quick on fios before I head off to the bills game. What an amazing picture, even no HD channels look great, I really love it. More later

Just something quick on fios before I head off to the bills game. What an amazing picture, even no HD channels look great, I really love it. More later

Now with my Tivo - I can record a tv program on my basic cable w/ TWC to my pc, transfer it to the tivo and then watch that show on my tv. Will I be able to do this w/ FIOS Dvr's? Does anyone know if they can be connected to home pc networks like tivo? Is there any Connectivity for stuff like downloading movies directly to the dvr from amazon video on demand or netflix like w/ tivo or x-box? This all together w/ my dvd recorder gives me the ability to record 4 programs at once. Hopefully the fios dvr's will have the functionality to connect to your pc/ wireless network!

Short answer: no on transferring programs to your PC like with TiVo.

Long answer: if the Firewire port is not disabled (I believe it is, by default) you could possibly transfer shows w/ some third party capturing software on your PC. Or, connect analog cables to an input on your PC.

You could get a TiVo HD and CableCARDs instead.

And also, it's a "no" on Amazon and Netflix. They want you to use their PPV and/or VOD instead.

No HD w/ WIVB tonight? - Is 60min sindicated programming?

Nope, it's network. It should be in HD.

i get cbc hd on my hr20 just fine. I cant wait till hockey night in canada starts

More HD from TWC

BUFFALO, NY- September 22, 2008 – Time Warner Cable, the nation’s second largest cable television operator and provider of telecommunications services, today announced that is has added an additional five new channels on its FREE high-definition tier, including HGTV HD on channel 715, NHL Network HD on channel 729, History Channel HD on channel 744, Disney Channel HD on channel 750 and Lifetime Movie Networks HD on channel 751.

ahh twc they try but it is just sooooo sad

702 WGRZ NBC HD (Buffalo)
703 WNED PBS HD (PBS, Buffalo)
704 WIVB CBS HD (Buffalo)
706 WUTV FOX HD
707 WKBW ABC HD (Buffalo)
708 MYTV BUFFALO HD
715 HGTV HD
716 Food Network HD
721 CNN HD
723 TBS in HD
724 TNT HD
725 ESPNU HD
726 ESPN-HD
727 ESPN2 HD
728 ESPN News HD
729 NHL Network HD
730 MSG HD
733 Outdoor Channel 2 HD
735 Travel Channel HD
737 Science Channel HD
738 Discovery Channel HD
739 Animal Planet HD
740 Discovery HD Theater
742 A&E HD
744 History in HD
750 Disney HD
751 Lifetime Movie Network HD
760 Palladia
770 YES HD
771 Versus/Golf Channel HD
780 HBO HD
781 Showtime HD
782 Starz HD
783 Cinemax HD
790 Universal HD
791 HD Net
792 HDNET Movies
793 MOJO HD

ahh twc they try but it is just sooooo sad

OK, I'm curious. What's missing from the list posted above that makes you feel that "they true, but it is just soooo sad"?

That list is about two times what we get here in Northeast Ohio, also on a TWC system!

What should they offer that would make you satisfied?

I'm guessing, despite what TWC suggested in the past that all of these new HD channels are on SDV. Can anyone confirm?

702 WGRZ NBC HD (Buffalo)
703 WNED PBS HD (PBS, Buffalo)
704 WIVB CBS HD (Buffalo)
706 WUTV FOX HD
707 WKBW ABC HD (Buffalo)
708 MYTV BUFFALO HD
715 HGTV HD
716 Food Network HD
721 CNN HD
723 TBS in HD
724 TNT HD
725 ESPNU HD
726 ESPN-HD
727 ESPN2 HD
728 ESPN News HD
729 NHL Network HD
730 MSG HD
733 Outdoor Channel 2 HD
735 Travel Channel HD
737 Science Channel HD
738 Discovery Channel HD
739 Animal Planet HD
740 Discovery HD Theater
742 A&E HD
744 History in HD
750 Disney HD
751 Lifetime Movie Network HD
760 Palladia
770 YES HD
771 Versus/Golf Channel HD
780 HBO HD
781 Showtime HD
782 Starz HD
783 Cinemax HD
790 Universal HD
791 HD Net
792 HDNET Movies
793 MOJO HD

Atlast, they will finally get rid of that crappy SABRE part time channel and give us the whole MSG HD station. I am pretty surprised that NHL Network in HD is on the free lineup. TW Rochester has it as part of the sports tier. I am anxious when we will see the next round of HD channels that are listed that are yet to show up on the guide. Its pretty cool that they don't wait every week to add these new channels and just add them once they get them in. This is excellent stuff!! :D

Now all we need now is for them to roll out StartOver and we're all set!

I'm guessing, despite what TWC suggested in the past that all of these new HD channels are on SDV. Can anyone confirm?

Confirmed. Most of these channels are delivered via SDV. Even some of the original HD channels that we have were also migrated to SDV.

Any word on when they're going to provide SDV converter boxes for use with devices with CableCARDs?

They're denying access now to well over 20 HD stations now to those of us who don't want to use their horrible STBs.

The SDV box should be available by the end of the year according to the letter I got from TWC. The box is just for HD TIVOs.

The SDV box should be available by the end of the year according to the letter I got from TWC. The box is just for HD TIVOs.

Yes, but you probably won't be seeing any two way cable cards for the tv's we have out right now, atleast I don't think there would be any... I am sure in the future newer HDTV's would have that capability... but eh.

Yes, but you probably won't be seeing any two way cable cards for the tv's we have out right now, atleast I don't think there would be any... I am sure in the future newer HDTV's would have that capability... but eh.

I think you mean Multi-stream CARDs, not "two-way" cards.

Even TiVo's can't do two-way... hence the need for the SDV converter box.

TiVo HD (but not Series3) can do Multi-stream, which is just 2 tuners on 1 CARDs. (Series3 can use multi-stream cards but only in a 1 tuner capacity)

What should they offer that would make you satisfied?

SciFi
USA
CBC
More HBO
More Cinemax
FX

I mean... CNN HD? What's the point? <i>LIFETIME</i> in HD? Ugh.

Does FX even offer an HD version?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX_(TV_network)

(in the US, I mean)

I think you mean Multi-stream CARDs, not "two-way" cards.

Even TiVo's can't do two-way... hence the need for the SDV converter box.


Whoops, you're right...

Wonder if Sci-Atlanta is going to make those SDV converter boxes...

Does FX even offer an HD version?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FX_(TV_network)

(in the US, I mean)

Yes it does. We have it on FIOS I know.

I am pretty surprised that NHL Network in HD is on the free lineup

You spoke too soon. I just refreshed the offered free HD stations today from what it was yesterday and they moved the NHL Network behind the Sports Tier instead of being generally free. Also, not that anyone gives a ****, but Lifetime Movies was moved behind the Variety Tier as well. How nice of them to tease us with something worthwhile.

History Channel in HD? Seriously? Why does this channel even exist? I can't imagine they'll let us watch WWII footage in high definition.

You spoke too soon. I just refreshed the offered free HD stations today from what it was yesterday and they moved the NHL Network behind the Sports Tier instead of being generally free. Also, not that anyone gives a ****, but Lifetime Movies was moved behind the Variety Tier as well. How nice of them to tease us with something worthwhile.

History Channel in HD? Seriously? Why does this channel even exist? I can't imagine they'll let us watch WWII footage in high definition.

Where are you obtaining this information? According to the TW website, NHL HD is still listed as the free HD package, and I am still viewing it on my guide and accessing the channel with no problem.

As for History HD... its HD. Why complain? This area is well needed for HD programming. Doesn't matter if its QVC in HD, or NGC HD (which I am desperately waiting for)... its HD and the more the better. We have gone a couple years with the same old HD channels, and TW Buffalo was suffering for the SDV switch. Now that we have merged with the Rochester division, we are a part of a test market, which we will be the first ones to get the latest features. Right now, we are in the beginning stages of it all because we are "catching up," but I have no problem having my division being part of Mr. Rafferty's end. As being a former TW Rochester customer, I am very happy with the ways they ran and can't wait to see the future of TW Buffalo, especially now that FIOS is in competition.

Where are you obtaining this information?

check out the twc/wny page today- Now they're just messing w/ us!

Fom TWC press release:

BUFFALO, NY- September 22, 2008 – Time Warner Cable, the nation’s second largest cable television operator and provider of telecommunications services, today announced that is has added an additional five new channels on its FREE high-definition tier, including HGTV HD on channel 715, NHL Network HD on channel 729, History Channel HD on channel 744, Disney Channel HD on channel 750 and Lifetime Movie Networks HD on channel 751.

Fom TWC press release:

BUFFALO, NY- September 22, 2008 – Time Warner Cable, the nation’s second largest cable television operator and provider of telecommunications services, today announced that is has added an additional five new channels on its FREE high-definition tier, including HGTV HD on channel 715, NHL Network HD on channel 729, History Channel HD on channel 744, Disney Channel HD on channel 750 and Lifetime Movie Networks HD on channel 751.

Hmm... NHL network is still free for me. I don't have any sports package and viewing it just fine. I did notice on the website like you pointed out that it is in the sports tier, but again, its showing up free on my TV. There might be a time frame they must give customers before they decide to migrate the channel full time to the Sports Tier.

More (boring) HD announced from TW this morning...

BUFFALO, NY- September 25, 2008 – Time Warner Cable, the nation’s second largest cable television operator and provider of telecommunications services, today announced more additions to its free HD library as it climbs toward more than 50 free channels in high definition. The new channels added today include Food HD on channel 716, ESPNEWS HD on channel 728, MSG HD on channel 730, Outdoor Channel 2 HD on channel 733 and Travel Channel HD on channel 735.

I'm on TWC, and while the new channels show up in my channel guide, several of them are blank, or have a message "This channel is currently not available. Please try again later."

Am I missing something here? Is this TWC's issue, or am I doing something wrong?

I'm on TWC, and while the new channels show up in my channel guide, several of them are blank, or have a message "This channel is currently not available. Please try again later."

Am I missing something here? Is this TWC's issue, or am I doing something wrong?

Those channels are getting delivered via SDV. If your cable lines are older, they may deliver a weaker signal, which is why you might be getting that message. Before I moved out here, I had weaker cable lines running throughout the rest of my house. The box in the living room was getting every channel perfectly (because it was located right off of the direct line). The bedroom also had a digital cable box, and half of the SDV channels would not show up in the bedroom because the cable lines running thoughout the house was a higher gage and the lines were about 10 years old... Just a hint of what might be your problem.

Those channels are getting delivered via SDV. If your cable lines are older, they may deliver a weaker signal, which is why you might be getting that message. Before I moved out here, I had weaker cable lines running throughout the rest of my house. The box in the living room was getting every channel perfectly (because it was located right off of the direct line). The bedroom also had a digital cable box, and half of the SDV channels would not show up in the bedroom because the cable lines running thoughout the house was a higher gage and the lines were about 10 years old... Just a hint of what might be your problem.

That's kind of what I thought, it's an older house, with probably to many splits. . I was thinking about buying one of the Motorola Signal Boosters and trying that out.

Thanks!

Nice that you have to buy additional equipment at your own expense due to Time Warner's technology changes.

I'd call them out and have THEM fix the problem at THEIR expense. You didn't ask for SDV.

Nice that you have to buy additional equipment at your own expense due to Time Warner's technology changes.

I'd call them out and have THEM fix the problem at THEIR expense. You didn't ask for SDV.
I had a problem about a year ago with digital breakup especially if it rained outside and the ground got very wet. Clearly the cable coming into my house was bleeding off. It was underground from the pole to my house. I already knew the cable was bleeding off based on a meter reading a buddy gave me when it was wet outside, and the cable should have been replaced from the pole to my house. Instead the tech decided to install a signal amp after my internet connection but before my cable splitters. This did fix the problem, but in reality if he was not so lazy, he could have run a new cable and had the same result. There was no charge to me for the amp. The only thing is you need a power supply to the amp at all times. I would have preferred he ran a new cable and I told him so. He said the loss from the pole to the house was acceptable. But he checked it under dry conditions
But he made the decision to do what he did and so far so good. I know it is a matter of time when the cable finally has too much bleed off when wet and then a new cable will need to be installed.
The bottom line is the cable company will do a service call and install the amp at no charge.
Bernie

One thing I would probably mention to the TW people is to also feed new cable off of your splitters, or have them put new splitters in. This could change your signal also. When they install digital cable, they should be checking the signal stregnth on the lines to make sure that room meets the criteria for digital cable. Especially with StartOver getting launched in the next month or two, you will need all the bandwidth you can running through your lines.

As of yesterday, I still had the NHL Network on my lineup and I don't have the sports tier either. I really don't want to get excited about until Time Warner officially states that either the website was an error or they are keeping it on the free tier. I am afraid their announcement is out of date and they got greedy.

I recently got one of these to replace my trusty Philips Silver Sensor.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=ANT1500&main_cat=03&source=googleps

My SS is good but it's highly picky in my setup. It's got to be on the other side of the room from my TV and if it's not set JUST RIGHT I can't get all the locals. I even have to have it on a stand to give it a few extra inches.

I was hoping to have one that wasn't so finnicky and could be on the same side of the room with my TV (so I wouldn't have to run a cable).

I hooked it up and right away, with no setup, I got every local channel... except 4.1 :( I tried a bunch of placements near the TV but I could never get every channel.

So I moved it to the other side of the room, at the place where the SS sat. Again, I got everything immediately with zero fine tuning of the setup... except 4.1.

Moving it over a few inches got me everything, including 4.1.

So, I'd recommend it. But I'd also still recommend the SS. I guess I didn't really improve my setup any except for maybe getting an antenna that blends into the room a bit better.

I happened to notice more new channels last night:

National Geographic
SNY
TLC HD
ABC Family HD
Toon Disney HD

If i remember correctly

Here is my review of FIOS TV,

Well the install took all day here at my apartment but the guys that did the install were friendly, and had no problems with them at all. The internet I have had before and I love it. I like the fact that my bill is around 100 dollars for internet that is twice as fast as TW, phone with voicemail and of course the TV. First I have one homemedia dvr, two standard set top boxes and one hd box. The homemedia dvr is probably one of the coolest things I have ever seen. I have never had a dvr before but I think it is awesome to have. I have used it many times already. If one of my roomates is watching something on the 50inch I can go in to my room and watch what I recorded, its awesome! The picture quality is amazing even on standard definition. Some problems I have seen so far, there is no sleep timer on the box itself so it will not turn off. The outlet on the back of the box that if you wanted to plug your tv in to is only a 2 prong outlet so you will need an adapter. For some reason comedy central's sound doesnt sound right. Also it is kinda tough getting used to the new channel assignments but time will take care of that. Also while watching a movie on demand on Saturday night, my internet was not working so I unplugged the router, then we lost the movie, so if you are watching something over the homemedia dvr, or on demand you must have the router plugged in, not a major problem but thought I would share it. Things I love, all the HD channels hopefully msg hd will be soon, I watched the bills game yesterday and it was great. The ability to add favorite channels and just have them show up on the guide. The widgets are pretty cool, I am able to see my espn fantasy team, but it doesnt scroll across the screan it goes to its own channel and you lose what you are watching. Anyway for all of the channels and all the hd channels itself, I am very satisfied with going with verizon instead of TW.

More HD from Time Warner. 25 new HD stations in about a month that CableCARD customers can't view. And yet CableCARD customers are paying the same rates.

BUFFALO, NY- October 2, 2008 – Time Warner Cable, the nation’s second largest cable television operator and provider of telecommunications services, today announced that four new HD channels have joined the Digital Channel line-up bringing the new HD channel total to 25 since August 28. The new channels customers of Time Warner Cable’s digital package will receive today include Fox Business Network on channel 719, Tennis Channel on channel 732, Planet Green on channel 741 and BIO on channel 743

700 -- TWC In HD (Home Sabres Games in HD)(WHY?)
702 -- WGRZ-TV - NBC HD
703 -- WNED-TV - PBS HD
704 -- WIVB-TV - CBS HD (Till Midnight)
706 -- WUTV-TV - FOX HD
707 -- WKBW-TV - ABC HD
708 -- WNYO-TV - MY Network TV HD
715 -- HGTV HD
716 -- Food Network HD
719 -- Fox Business News
721 -- CNN HD
723 -- TBS HD
724 -- TNT HD
725 -- ESPNU HD
726 -- ESPN HD
727 -- ESPN2 HD
728 -- ESPN News HD
729 -- NHL Network HD *
730 -- MSG HD
731 -- SportsNet NY HD
732 -- Tennis Channel HD *
733 -- Outdoor Channel HD *
734 -- National Geographic Channel HD =
735 -- Travel Channel HD
736 -- The Learning Channel HD
737 -- Science Channel HD
738 -- Discovery Channel HD
739 -- Animal Planet HD
740 -- Discovery HD Theatre
741 -- Planet Green HD
742 -- A&E HD
743 -- bio: The Biography Channel HD =
744 -- History Channel HD
748 -- Toon Disney Channel =
749 -- ABC Family HD
750 -- Disney Channel HD
751 -- Lifetime Movie Network HD =
760 -- Palladia (Formerly Music: HD)
770 -- YES HD
771 -- Versus/Golf Channel HD (Soon to be split into 2 channels, who knows what TWC will do)
780 -- HBO HD **
781 -- Showtime HD **
782 -- Starz HD **
783 -- Cinemax HD **
790 -- Universal HD #
791 -- HDNet #
792 -- HD Movies #
793 -- MOJO #

Key:
* - HD Free with Digital Sports Tier ($4.00/month)
= - HD Free with Digital Variety Tier ($5.00/month)
** - HD Subscription - Must subscribe to SD channel to receive HD channel ($12.95/month/channel)
# - HD Premium Tier ($5.00/month)

"The Home of FREE HD", yeah right.
Box rental fees, DVR fees, remote fees, Sports tier fees, Variety tier Fees, HD Premium tier fees, more fees from "The Home of FREE HD" - Time Warner Cable.:rolleyes:

"The Home of FREE HD", yeah right.
Box rental fees, DVR fees, remote fees, Sports tier fees, Variety tier Fees, HD Premium tier fees, more fees from "The Home of FREE HD" - Time Warner Cable.That's the first intelligent statement about TW I have heard here.
Nothing but a scam, lie and outright fraud. Nothing is "free". It's time the State Cable Commission and the Attorney Generals office hear about their deceptive advertising.

BTW, funny that TW has $$ to pay for numerous FULL page ads in the Buffalo News regarding Lin Broadcasting (WIVB), but they don't seem to have $$ to pay to carry them on their system. That must be cutting into their "free" HD offerings. :p

More HD from Time Warner. 25 new HD stations in about a month that CableCARD customers can't view. And yet CableCARD customers are paying the same rates.Gee Chris, that surely sounds as a "rant", or is it ok when you do it?

Have you reported them?

If not, why not yet?


So, by my count, it's 32 are truly "free". Out of 52. Don't get me wrong, I'm not TW supporter (see my previous comments about CableCARDs). But it doesn't mean that their harmless ADVERTISING campaign is fraudulent or criminal or deserves to be on any radar of the AG's office.

So, by my count, it's 32 are truly "free".Then, that means I can order just the "free" channels??
No you say? I have to order the standard package along with the digital package and I will get these 32 channels included?
Oh! Then you must mean these channels are at no additional cost?

Sorry, there is a huge difference between something that is "free" and "no additional cost". That's deceptive advertising.

Let's see what happens next


Channel 4 owner moves to block Time Warner from showing Bills game


http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/453762.html

Love it!
Where is Courier Cable when you need them?Time Warner believes it shouldn’t pay for channels that are available over the air for free.Funny, hasen't every other MSO for all these years had to pay? What makes them different?
Lets see now. "Over the air for free". Is that the same free as in those free digital channels??

One division my ass. :rolleyes:

Personally, I think channel 4 is just going to lose their spot at #1 newscast. Sure, people are going to call other companies to switch to watch the Bills game, but 9 out of 10 their installation date is going to be well after, especially that they're going to be swamped with installations, and will have a delay. As a Time Warner subscriber, I can still easily watch channel 4 and 23. I already hooked up the old rabbit ears to my HDTV. It takes the same amount of key presses on my remote to switch to ANT/IN on my tv remote than to press "0-4-sel." on my cable remote, and boom, I have channel 4. Its not an inconvenience but it is fault at both ends why it was pulled. I can't wait to see the outcome of this.

I was reading the comments on WGRZ's website and I did agree with one of the comments. I do believe TW should credit people on their cable bill for not providing the station. Just something that customers should do, unless TW says that they have offered HBO family and CBS Sports as a replacement so they don't have to credit us TW customers. Who knows?

Bottom line, I don't care that I don't get channel 4. I watch channel 2 for my news and if I need to watch the Bills this Sunday, I already have that covered. I am sad that I will not be able to watch Oprah pork down a twinkie and give the audience free cars this evening, but I am too lazy to switch, and FIOS isn't available in my area and I am not a satellite TV supporter. Give it a couple of days and it will be back. In the meantime, YaY for DTV!

As a Time Warner subscriber, I can still easily watch channel 4 and 23. I already hooked up the old rabbit ears to my HDTV. It takes the same amount of key presses on my remote to switch to ANT/IN on my tv remote than to press "0-4-sel." on my cable remote, and boom, I have channel 4.

Unless I'm mistaken, when TW had a problem with Sinclair Broadcasting a few years back, some of the TW locations gave away free antennas to their customers so that they wouldn't miss the local programing!!!!

Think they'll do that here?????

Not that I care, I dumped TW 6 months ago for D*......

Unless I'm mistaken, when TW had a problem with Sinclair Broadcasting a few years back, some of the TW locations gave away free antennas to their customers so that they wouldn't miss the local programing!!!!

Think they'll do that here?????

Not that I care, I dumped TW 6 months ago for D*......
I just talked to my buddy, a TWC tech, and he said they are installing rabbit ears on cust tv's for free.

IF you want to see Ghost Whisperer tonight - I'm thinking they may air it on CTV channel 15- They aired Oprah this afternoon on that station- dont know about primetime programming or the bills game though!

Its well apparent that TW is giving away free antennas. I talked to one of my customers where I work today and he said that he went to pay his cable bill and there was a line of people at the W. Seneca location for people getting antennas. They are also crediting people on their bill for their own purchase of the antenna.

Is this really a big deal? No. I look at it this way... If I wanted to watch 2, 4, 7 and all the rest of the locals, why did I get cable in the first place? Apparently I got cable for the channel choices that broadcast did not give me. I never even watch channel 4 anyway except for the bills games. Now if they took away MSG, then you would see a dispute that I would be involved in. If Buffalo lost their Sabres games, all hell would break loose.

They made a good point on Shredd and Ragan today. LIN TV owns 15 stations in national markets. Time Warner has millions of subscribers even outside LIN TV's viewing areas. Its not going to harm TW much if people switch because of a temporary dispute. And if Time Warner would agree to pay LIN TV for their revenues, then that means we will be dealing with the same thing when Channel 2 and 7's contracts expire, and they would be dumb to pay LIN TV for free broadcasting. I just sit back and laugh at both companies how they are handling their dispute and eventually one or the other will soften up because of all of this. It really is humorous. Its just a matter of time til the white flag is waved.

Its well apparent that TW is giving away free antennas. I talked to one of my customers where I work today and he said that he went to pay his cable bill and there was a line of people at the W. Seneca location for people getting antennas. They are also crediting people on their bill for their own purchase of the antenna.

Is this really a big deal? No. I look at it this way... If I wanted to watch 2, 4, 7 and all the rest of the locals, why did I get cable in the first place? Apparently I got cable for the channel choices that broadcast did not give me. I never even watch channel 4 anyway except for the bills games. Now if they took away MSG, then you would see a dispute that I would be involved in. If Buffalo lost their Sabres games, all hell would break loose.

They made a good point on Shredd and Ragan today. LIN TV owns 15 stations in national markets. Time Warner has millions of subscribers even outside LIN TV's viewing areas. Its not going to harm TW much if people switch because of a temporary dispute. And if Time Warner would agree to pay LIN TV for their revenues, then that means we will be dealing with the same thing when Channel 2 and 7's contracts expire, and they would be dumb to pay LIN TV for free broadcasting. I just sit back and laugh at both companies how they are handling their dispute and eventually one or the other will soften up because of all of this. It really is humorous. Its just a matter of time til the white flag is waved.

It seems to me channel 4 and Lin have the most to lose. They are supported by commercial sponsors. If my companies commercials can't be seen, I would just go elsewhere to a station where they can be seen. This whole thing is screwy when you figure the local stations are a must carry from the federal government mandate. If TW caves and pays, they will just be paying and passing on the cost to the consumer. I do not think the feds ever figured the cable companies would need to pay for a local freely obtained over the air station. This happened with channel 29 a while ago. I guess TW agreed to buy a few commercials on channel 29 for the rights to retransmit channel 29.
If you could get your product retransmitted and delivered to millions for free, would you not do that. Ask channel 4. I guess channel 4 thinks TW is making money off their freely obtained signal and should pay to retransmit it along with the commercials channel 4 gets paid for. Obviously there are many ways to get channel 4. The losers are the elderly and non techies who do not have the know how to get channel 4 by alternative means.
Is encryption of local stations next? Who knows.

Looks like the only station in Canada showing the bills game is CityTV- channel 57! Videobruce - maybe you could have a Bills party at your place! I know in my neighborhood -I'm about the only one that has a rooftop antenna that's actually connected and working -everyone else is on TWC or Satellite.

Its definitely on the hands of LIN TV. Time Warner will not suffer much from this. If that was the case, people wouldn't of went in flocks to get an antenna from their office. Like I said before, if people wanted to view local channels all the time, why did they get cable? Some people already have to have an antenna for satellite because of the lack of some channels being available in HD. I don't see this lasting more than a couple of days.

Someone at WGRZ forgot to turn on the HD all night?!

EDIT: they're running a scroll... technical problems.

I had my first experience yesterday with a digital antenna and a analog converter box. The bar I watch the Bills at bought an antenna. I think they wanted to try to get a digital signal instead of analog just because it would be stronger. In order to hook up the antenna to their system which pipes the signal thru all their TVs (some digital, some OLD analog), they needed an analog converter box.

So we were watching a HD, digital, widescreen signal downconverted to a letterboxed, analog signal. And, it was very clear. When it didn't lose signal and pixelate. We were watching on a mix of 42" ETVs and 37" HDTVs and some old 4:3 sets.

But, if we would have spent the time to adjust the antenna more to get a more consistent signal, it would have been great.

Just for fun I viewed my analog ch4 signal and it was terribly snowy, while my digital signal was strong and picture perfect clear and HD. Which I expected.

Up until sunday (Oct 6 2008) I was able to get the free OTA channels over TW basic cable connection.

I use a Panisonic TV and was the following channels

88.1 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
88.2 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
88.3 - WNED
89.1 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
106.1 - FOX
106.2 - My Network TV
10* (CAnt remeber off hand) but it was another Wned Theater or something
111.4 - TBS

I also get all of the Music Choice channels and Brdges or something. ESPN U

Ok that was what I was getting

On Sunday I attempted to plug rabbit ears into my TV and scanned using the antenna setting. I was able to watch the bills game. After that I connected the cable back up and scanned analog and digital channels.

Once the scan complated, I am missing 88-1,88-2,88-3,89-1,106-1,106-2. I also see the wned theater changed to a different channel along with a crap load of those music choice channels. They now come up in the 112-* range. Also the TV guide changed from something like 108 something to 115 or 116- something. Familyland.org channels is not on 117 where it used to be in the 80's range.

The werid thing, throughout the day. If i change my TV to 106. I see the snow for 10 seconds and at times it will then display FOX (The old 106-1). Same with 88 and 89. But it will not do it all the time.

My question is, is my TV broken or is TW screwing with us? Also, anyone else from niagara falls, do you still get 88-1,88-2 ....... If so, was it always on that channel or is it on another one.

On a side note, I went to my mothers house, she has a memorx LCD and scanned and she cannot get them either. She however gets those same STUPId music choice and tbs crap on the same channels as I do.

I made several attempts to call TW cable CS and they were no help. Half of the people didnt understand what I was asking. I asked "OTA air TW rebroadcasts" or Free QAM or Clear QAM or Unencrypted digital. All of which the person on the other end had no freaking clue about. I did get one person who attempted to tell me and I paraphrase "That is a eng marvel, TW isnt broadcasting them, its the local TV channels doing some "ENGINEERING Feat" , then after I wasnt buying that story. He told me they dont offically offer those and I shouldnt be getting them. He talked in a TONE like I was stealing.....

I also asked him, if TW isnt rebroadcasting them, why when I turned on 88-2 or 89-1 (WHat ever CBS was) I seen the same TW ad stating there was a disprute with LIN and it explained how great TW was and how LIN was evil.

The rep had nothing to say about that. Also, I asked him if they were building the HOVER DAM, since that is a great/marvel engineering job.

Why isn't TW showing the regularly scheduled shows that are listed in the on-line TV listings on the TW site for Canadian channels? Last night they showed a shopping channel instead of Criminal Minds. Tonight the guide on TV shows shopping instead of CSI NY which is listed in on-line TW guide. Are they prevented from showing CBS shows because of the dispute with LIN TV or is this a normal occurance?

Why isn't TW showing the regularly scheduled shows that are listed in the on-line TV listings on the TW site for Canadian channels? Last night they showed a shopping channel instead of Criminal Minds. Tonight the guide on TV shows shopping instead of CSI NY which is listed in on-line TW guide. Are they prevented from showing CBS shows because of the dispute with LIN TV or is this a normal occurance?

According to Alan Pergament of the Buffalo News: Canadian Alternative for CBS Shows Is Over (http://buffalonews.typepad.com/talkintv/2008/10/canadian-altern.html)

"TWC spokesman Robin Wolfgang and Channel 4 General Manager Chris Musial confirmed that the cable company has to blackout the Canadian station to comply with non-duplication regulations even though CBS affillate WIVB-TV is not carried on TWC."

According to Alan Pergament of the Buffalo News: Canadian Alternative for CBS Shows Is Over (http://buffalonews.typepad.com/talkintv/2008/10/canadian-altern.html)

"TWC spokesman Robin Wolfgang and Channel 4 General Manager Chris Musial confirmed that the cable company has to blackout the Canadian station to comply with non-duplication regulations even though CBS affillate WIVB-TV is not carried on TWC."

However you can still get CTV with the right equipment and if your location is favorable -that helps too! I get CTV from my house via a roof mounted antenna only when conditions are right. Some other folks may be able to get the station on a more regular basis w/ the right equipment.

Up until sunday (Oct 6 2008) I was able to get the free OTA channels over TW basic cable connection.

I use a Panisonic TV and was the following channels

88.1 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
88.2 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
88.3 - WNED
89.1 - (ABC or NBC or CBS) - Not sure what it was
106.1 - FOX
106.2 - My Network TV
10* (CAnt remeber off hand) but it was another Wned Theater or something
111.4 - TBS



My ClearQAM channels are still there and right where they were before. Mine show up on channels 1-x and 0.

I checked this morning for WKBW, WIVB (College Sports), WGRZ, WUTV and WNED and they were all there.

(quoting the Buffalo News)
"TWC spokesman Robin Wolfgang and Channel 4 General Manager Chris Musial confirmed that the cable company has to blackout the Canadian station to comply with non-duplication regulations even though CBS affillate WIVB-TV is not carried on TWC."

A friend was in Fredonia a few weeks ago, before WIVB got pulled off...and they told me that the TWC system there did blackout out U.S. prime-time shows on CTV. Oh, on Global, too.

This pre-dates the WIVB thing, at least there. I presume Fredonia's TWC system is run out of Buffalo, no?

If they didn't do the blackout thing in Buffalo, maybe this dispute brought it to the top of the list for WIVB to complain about.

They've always blacked out in Buffalo.

When WIVB stopped showing up on TWC, TWC actively decided to STOP doing the blackout which they always have done per FCC duplication laws. It only lasted a few days and then they were instructed to continue to blackout.

The FCC rule exists because showing Canadian broadcasts of US shows would "hurt" US broadcasters - WIVB and CBS and providers such as, DirecTV, Dish and Verizon, in this case.

I'm not arguing whether there is harm or not but that's why the law exists.

They've always blacked out in Buffalo.

The Buffalo News article makes it sound like they didn't, which is what confused me.

thel0st1; Welcome to the forums.

1. What is the model of your set?
2. Do you have another set w/ a digital tuner to compare the channel numbers?
3. Some tuners will ID the 'physical' channel number (the actual number as 88.1, 89.3 etc) and others will display a 'virtual' channel number. In most cases in WNY it's 1.1, 1.2 etc. which technically never existed. (I won't go into the numerous channel '0' listings),
4. There is also the possibility that the channel memory got corrupted in your Panasonic. It's odd the channel lineup changed that much over a few days. TW seems to be always playing games and add them forceing SDV upon us, who know what can happen next with any of the 'in the clear' channels.

With the available programming in WNY between the two countries, I see no REAL reason not to have a outdoor antenna. ;)

thel0st1; Welcome to the forums.

1. What is the model of your set?
2. Do you have another set w/ a digital tuner to compare the channel numbers?
3. Some tuners will ID the 'physical' channel number (the actual number as 88.1, 89.3 etc) and others will display a 'virtual' channel number. In most cases in WNY it's 1.1, 1.2 etc. which technically never existed. (I won't go into the numerous channel '0' listings),
4. There is also the possibility that the channel memory got corrupted in your Panasonic. It's odd the channel lineup changed that much over a few days. TW seems to be always playing games and add them forceing SDV upon us, who know what can happen next with any of the 'in the clear' channels.

With the available programming in WNY between the two countries, I see no REAL reason not to have a outdoor antenna. ;)


My set is Panasonic TH-42PZ77U

Now I have been on their website and the model below mine has a new firmware upgrade to resolve the following issue "QAM Reception: Programs with channel number "0-0" in the VCT (Virtual Channel Table) are not registered in the manual program list after auto-scan. "

I wonder if thats whats happening to my model TV.

Now when I connect an antenna to my TV and remove the cable connection. I get 2-2 4-1 .... the OTA ones.

If the channel ID was corrupted, how do I resolve that? Calling Panasonic and get them to replace the TV. I do have 2 mroe years left on my warranty from the store I bought it.

Does anyone know why TW doesn't update the HBO OnDemand? Entourage from last Sunday is still not available.

Got D* in April after we missed the playoffs!! :mad:

I won't be home tonight and my daughter will kill me if I can't tell her where to find tonight's game.

I see something about 638-1, but nothing is showing up, at least at 2:30.

Then there's RSN Alternate!!!!????

It's gotta be simpler than what I'm doing.....

638-1 showed up at 2:45 pm for the hd version

anyone recommend a good uhf antenna for a rv.

638-1 showed up at 2:45 pm for the hd version

5:50 PM....638-1 is on my list of favorites, but when I turn to it, it's a black screen!! :eek:

Do I have to subscribe or something?????

no there is nothing being broadcast. When the game starts at 730 it will turn on like majic. IF a sabres game is not on u geta black screen

no there is nothing being broadcast. When the game starts at 730 it will turn on like majic. IF a sabres game is not on u geta black screen

WOW....I like it!!!!

Thanks for the info

Why don't they have a power play clock or a clock to show 4 on 4 or 3 on 3 ?

RJ does a good job relaying time left in the penalty, but clock is better. They have room for ADs next to game clock but no pwer play clock. All about the money I guess.

Game was on the same clear QAM station it was on last season on TW too. For about 2-3 minutes around 6:30 I got a picture (no audio) of a camera obviously laying on the floor in a hallway at the arena. Lots of feet walking around, not too exciting ;)

If the channel ID was corrupted, how do I resolve that?Probably by doing a full reset.

thel0st1; You are best to ask this in the respective Plasma forums;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=938089&highlight=th+42pz77u
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=904003&highlight=th+42pz77u

Panasonic use to have two series numbers. The 70 and the 700 if I remember correctly (at least with their LCD displays). The 700 had the QAM tuner, the 70 didn't. I don't like Plasma so I don't know much about your set. Try either of those two threads.

Anyone know what physical channel that game was on?

And on that note, before I seriously consider switching, is there any chance that Dish will carry MSG-HD this year?

Had my first experience with an analog antenna yesterday. I bought my Silver Sensor over to a friends' to help him get channel 4 on his HDTV. But it turns out he just had a monitor, no tuner. The LCD set didn't get any channel very good so we tried another set in another room.

Channels 23 and 29 came in CRYSTAL clear (analog) without any fiddling with the antenna at all. 2, 4, 7 were too snowy to watch. It wasn't that important so we gave up.

[QUOTE=videobruce;14849227]Probably by doing a full reset.

thel0st1; You are best to ask this in the respective Plasma forums;
[QUOTE]


THank you

Hallmark
Speed
FX
MGM

In case anyone's interested, a filing showed up at the FCC site today. WNYO-DT wants to relocate their digital signal from channel 34 to channel 29. They want to recycle WUTV's analog equipment, which is apparently completely ready to flash-cut to digital. They say the channel 34 allocation must be kept very directional to protect an allocation in Peterborough, thus moving to channel 29 would allow them to expand coverage.

- Trip

Hallmark
Speed
FX
MGM

How many if any will be free?

Hallmark, Speed & FX HD I'm getting. When I select MGMHD I get one of those screen messages "to call to order this channel". For the money I pay Time Warner every month ( I'm subscribed to all the movie channels, 3 HD DVR's & 10MB broadband) I can't see why I should pay for anything else! Where is USAHD & ScifiHD?????

Look in Tonights (Oct 15) evening paper, last page of sports section - next to the "Jumble"

Time Warner is dropping MOJO.

Weasels.

"Time Warner is dropping MOJO"

I saw an article on the Endgaget HD website that Mojo was being cancelled.

Had my first experience with an analog antenna yesterday. I bought my Silver Sensor over to a friends' to help him get channel 4 on his HDTV. But it turns out he just had a monitor, no tuner. The LCD set didn't get any channel very good so we tried another set in another room.

Channels 23 and 29 came in CRYSTAL clear (analog) without any fiddling with the antenna at all. 2, 4, 7 were too snowy to watch. It wasn't that important so we gave up.

If 2-4-7 were comming in in analog the silver sensor would be pretty useless. They work great for uhf analog and igital but lousy for vHf low 2-4 and vhf hi 7. too small of an antenna to really work there.

On another note: THOSE OF YOU TIRED OF TW'S Crap with 4-23

I heard today from a bunch of people switching to Dtv that the expected wait time with they're RSN's is a month! If you want Dtv we can have you in in 24-48 hours and were local boys with 27 yrs experience!
or if ya just need an antenna we can do that too

Trip in VA; I just got the bad news elsewhere. What a waste. :mad:
So what happens to their brand new ch 34 xmitter?

Got a link to the notice?

Trip in VA; I just got the bad news elsewhere. What a waste. :mad:
So what happens to their brand new ch 34 xmitter?

Got a link to the notice?

Bad news? This will expand their signal. From what I read, the channel 29 analog equipment is "relatively new" which means it'd be much more of a waste, given that it's at the top of the tower while the WNYO-DT equipment is side-mounted.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6520175729

I very much like it. If you look at their current directional pattern versus the channel 29 pattern, even leaving out the power boost they want, it expands coverage greatly in most directions.

- Trip

I heard today from a bunch of people switching to Dtv that the expected wait time with they're RSN's is a month! If you want Dtv we can have you in in 24-48 hours and were local boys with 27 yrs experience!

Rich 716-4349216

Back in April when I dumped TW and went with a bundled Verizon/D* package, I specifically asked if I could go with you guys and was told that they farmed installation out to specific companies and I couldn't request anyone else.

Could I have done something differently or was I stuck because I had to go thru Verizon to get the price on the bundle?

Bad news? This will expand their signal. From what I read, the channel 29 analog equipment is "relatively new"It's bad news for me if it increases signal and causes me to spend more $$ to trap the signal out because of overload.

Yes, WUTV replaced their feedline and antenna 5 or so years ago because moisture was getting into the feedline.

It's bad news for me if it increases signal and causes me to spend more $$ to trap the signal out because of overload.

If you're able to cope with WNLO-DT at 1000 kW ND, I can't imagine WNYO-DT at 200 kW DA would harm you too much.

Yes, WUTV replaced their feedline and antenna 5 or so years ago because moisture was getting into the feedline.

Interesting. Makes sense then.

- Trip

Back in April when I dumped TW and went with a bundled Verizon/D* package, I specifically asked if I could go with you guys and was told that they farmed installation out to specific companies and I couldn't request anyone else.

Could I have done something differently or was I stuck because I had to go thru Verizon to get the price on the bundle?

You could have went with us then just signed up with verizon and they would still give you the bundled deal. BTW that bundled deal really doesnt save you any on the D bill. They make it sound that way. Honestly us independent retailers can actually do alot better on the promos that happen quartely that D or verizon will. Once you have lived up to your obligation look me up we will get ya into something new!
Rich

If you're able to cope with WNLO-DT at 1000 kW ND, I can't imagine WNYO-DT at 200 kW DA would harm you too much.It's not the 200kw or even 175kw (not that that matters), it's the frequency change.

Why did they wait so long? the situation hasn't changed in years.

Honestly us independent retailers can actually do alot better on the promos that happen quartely that D or verizon will. Once you have lived up to your obligation look me up we will get ya into something new!
Rich

You got a deal!!

(They really make it sound like you do it their way or no way....I suppose it's easier for them......)

I had the fortune of visiting an older couple today for work. In their attic was an old 8bay UHF antenna and a mid sized ~30 element vhf only antenna. Each antenna was on a separate rotor. Both antennas had preamplifiers and the feed lines to each of the three televisions were 300 ohm cable. 5.1 was rock solid, 9.1 was non existent and 44.1 was sporadic on both of the high def sets. The high def sets were Sony models kdl32xbr6 and kdl46xbr4. Just imagine the possibilities if the antennas were outside.

I'm sure most with digital TVGOS capable equipment may be aware of this, but I am just posting this for confirmation for those who are not aware: A contact from WIVB provided me with this info to a recent query:
We are not currently transmitting TVGOS data. At the CBS Engineering Meetings in Las Vegas this April there was talk of CBS partnering with TV Guide but I have not heard any more on the subject since then. I am not aware of any immediate plans to do so in this market.

I'm hopeing that CFTO continues with thier analog source of Gemstar's data. :o

Anyone else have problems with WIVB OTA Hi def broadcast of the Bill's game? There was a lot of breakup & stuttering with it on my HTPC so I checked the ATSC tuner on my Mitsubishi set & same thing.

I checked the signal strength several times with the tv's signal meter & it would be at 8 or 9 then drop to 6 or even 0 occasionally.

I have an Antenna Craft antenna with a rotor on my garage so bringing in the locals isn't a problem. I checked WNED & WGRZ and wasn't having a problem with either of those.

Anyone else?

I had lots of breakup using rabbit ears, but watched last weeks game with minor breakup after they solved power outage at stadium. I am getting Direct TV installed on 11/11. Tired of Lin TV/TWC dispute.

Just think, 45,000 miles just to watch a 'local'. ;)

Sounds as you are on the 'cliff' with WIVB wherever you are.

I'm guessing the weather. I had a similar problem.

Lot's of tall maples in T of T and they were whipping all around in the wind yesterday

I live in Cheektowaga. So distance from the transmitter isn't a problem. Other locals are fine.

1. Regarding the 'Weather Plus', there has been no decision to drop the service yet since only part of it has anything to do with NBC. They might fill in that time slot with material done locally instead of material from NBC.
Nothing on adding that sports channel that was on WKBW's 2nd sub channel yet.

2. The biggest news for is that WGRZ starting next month and hopefully finished in January, they will have the ability to originate HD programming (including commercials) locally, just as WUTV and their sister station WNYO have been doing for the past 2 years or so.
Nothing on a local HD newscast yet, since that requires a complete overhaul of the station. Their corporate owner has started to do this one station at a time in the larger markets.

3. The situation with WNYO,
They are waiting for approval from both sides of the pond for the change to be approved with the greatest delay comming from the CRTC.

2. The biggest news for is that WGRZ starting next month and hopefully finished in January, they will have the ability to originate HD programming (including commercials) locally, just as WUTV and their sister station WNYO have been doing for the past 6 months or longer.
Nothing on a local HD newscast yet, since that requires a complete overhaul of the station.

Thanks for the scoop.

WGRZ updated their newscast graphics last week, wonder if that is a precursor to the newscast going to HD?

Also, they did broadcast a special report about Niagara Falls NY vs Niagara Falls Ontario in HD last month, so it looks like they are at least moving in the right direction.

That was the 2nd locally produced HD special they ran. I did see the Niagara Falls special, but missed the first special. The equipment came from their parent company for them to use to produce those specials. The "package" included everything including playback equipment to transmit the program once it was produced.

Problem is, it was only on a temporary basis. :(

Does anybody know when WGRZ will broadcast "Dr. Phil" in HD?

Same with WKBW with "Wheel of "Fortune" & "Jeopardy"?

Turns out my numbers for my rotor antenna regarding the WIVB signal were out of wack, not sure how that happened.

WGRZ: does anyone know when they are going to broadcast 5.1 audio? They seem to be the last major holdout.

Does anybody know when WGRZ will broadcast "Dr. Phil" in HD?Your question was just answered. See#2 in my above post.
As far as WKBW, if we take up a collection, it might happen in the next 5 years or so. :rolleyes:

Those programs are in HD on Canadian TV. ;)
So much for satellite and cable............

Ah in Amherst thou !!ya dont wanna upset the neighbors or they'll call the supervisor??

does anybody out there have an opinion on smart antenna technology for DTV and does anybody have experience with the C4 from antennas direct. Also, Does anybody think multicasting will increase after the 2/2009 shut down. What about improvments in the electronic program guide data data??

I am in OP and consistently get CBC with a DB8 roof mounted and rotored antenna, I usually get CHCH-11, occassionally get CFTO and the omnis and CT HD 36-1. Is there any thing I could do with antennuators to get these channels consistently???????

The data is only as good as what the station inputs. GIGO.
The "Guide" itself also depends on the firmware inside the device itself (TV, PVR or separate tuner). Many only show a few hours ahead, others may go out 12+ hours.

The last thing you want or need are antennuators. You surely don't have a 'overload' issue. Are these the digital signals or analog?
As I stated many times here before, CBLT 20.1 is fairly easy, CHCH 18.1, CFTO 40.1 and CJMT 44.1 are tougher. Unless you live in Niagara County, the others are too weak.

Thanks:

These are all digital signals, I guess I should be happy with what I get and wait for a signal strength increase in the future

I got the Samsung 46" 530 home yesterday, and upon taking it out of the box and hooking it up to my HD cable box, the picture is very blurry and not sharp at all. I've tweaked the settings on the tv itself with no luck. I've connected the cable two different ways:

-via a coax from the cable box
-via and svideo cable with rca's for sound

While the s-video connection was better, the picture is nowhere near where it should be. The cable box is reading that the channel is at 1080i. My question for the experts is, what is wrong here? Am I missing something? I've reset the picture back to factory with no luck either. I even called the cable company, and of course, they say everything is good regarding that aspect.

I'm going to purchase an HDMI cable tonight and try that, but I can't image it making that much of a difference, the picture is THAT bad. The tv I had hooked up before looked way better than this one does and it was an old crt.

Any ideas?

With an HD TV to get a quality picture from your HD cable box you have to use either a HDMI cable or Component cable from your cable box. The better quality your input is the better the picture will be.

TW Buffalo has officially launched StartOver. Just like Rochester, StartOver just works on the standard definition channels only. I am hoping soon it will be available on HD channels too!!

maevejr; Where is your antenna located? Just moving it from one end of the roof to the other can make a difference.
How much downlead do you have?
How many tuners is the feed going to?
Have you 'tweaked' the antenna position? Five degrees will make a difference.

I would try a decent indoor amp. NOT a pre-amp, but a DA (Distribution Amp) that has a high input level capibility. That eliminates 75-90% of the 'junk' being sold out there.
Place it as near to the antenna as possible. In an attic or crawl space, out of the weather. Somewhere you can get to it if needed.

jdstone550; When you say "coax", I assume you mean a RG59 (or 6) coaxial cale into the TV's tuner input. If so, that is the absolute worst way of doing it. If you mean a video cable, that is the 2nd worst way.
S-video would be the third.

In the mean time, bypass that box and hook the CATV acble directly up to your TV and do a scan. Then get a component set of cables and a HDMI cable, NOT from a local store, as you will be paying through the roof for that cable. And NOT a "Monster" brand cable either (from anywhere.). Try both. HDMI is suppose to be better, BUT not necessarily in every case.
I'm not sure what model you have, but go to the owners thread for that model regarding your set.

Unless you live in Niagara County, the others are too weak.

I must not have the right equipment - (or the big tree in my back yard is the issue) OR Both! I can only get CBC consistently- CHCH and CTS if I turn the antenna towards Hamilton - (programming is not worth ist) and everything else is a crapshoot- I only get CTV when conditions permit. The question is WILL THIS IMPROVE >2/17/09 with much less analog power from GI? Will there not still be significant digital power from these same stations???

By looking at 2150, your less than 3 miles from GI. You must be getting killed by signal overload worse than I am. You need filters (traps) for those seven stations. The plus (which I don't have) is Toronto is 70 degrees away from GI. That will help, but the closeness to that 'farm' will probably offset any reduction. That's where a 'site survey' comes in. ;)

There won't be any ERP increases next year just because of our analog shutdown. Less RF from GI should be a plus. Anything else is speculation right now.

The 'ridge' you (and most of us) have to get over for Toronto is right around the Power Authority's reservoir (see attachments from Google Earth)

jdstone: if you have an HD cable box, TW can/will/should provide you with either an HDMI or an Composite set of cables. You shouldn't HAVE to buy anything. But if you want to do it now, just head to Home Depot or something and pick up a HDMI cable for $20.

Where did you buy it that they didn't offer to sell you the proper cables?

HDMI cables from monoprice.com is your best option. They're cheap and I've never gotten a bad cable from them.

Buffalo News says that TWC says that they've already added WNLO CW23 to their HD lineup. Anyone see this? I just did a new scan; it's not showing up on clear QAM.

74-1.

Thanks.

Weird that it didn't show up on one of my 1-x channels with partial call letters like all the other locals.

Good find. (Until they screw with the PSIP data and put it on another channel '1' or '0'. :mad: )

Why is 74-1 any better?

I'd rather it be on the 1.x's where all the other locals show up on my TiVo.

I guess you haven't been reading my posts.

1. It's the actual channel number,
2. It's a FCC assigned channel number,
3. It's NOT a non existant channel number as channel one (which never existed on cable and doesn't exist OTA) and channel zero which isn't a real number value in the first place,
4. It prevents tuners from getting confused with duplicate fictitious channel numbers,
5. It allows recording that channel without conflicts where as more than one channel 1.1 (for example) won't allow recording from other than the lowest physical channel number. IOW's if you have three channel 1.1's, only the first physical channel gets recorded The guide can't tell the difference between 1.1, 1.1 and 1.1
6. It's just common sense.

I would need additional time to come up with more reasons.

By looking at 2150, your less than 3 miles from GI. You must be getting killed by signal overload worse than I am. You need filters (traps) for those seven stations. The plus (which I don't have) is Toronto is 70 degrees away from GI. That will help, but the closeness to that 'farm' will probably offset any reduction. That's where a 'site survey' comes in. ;)

There won't be any ERP increases next year just because of our analog shutdown. Less RF from GI should be a plus. Anything else is speculation right now.

The 'ridge' you (and most of us) have to get over for Toronto is right around the Power Authority's reservoir (see attachments from Google Earth)

Thanks for all your help w/ this Bruce!

Anytime. I'm pretty sure you are getting killed with overload (which can be fixed).

I guess you haven't been reading my posts.

1. It's the actual channel number,
2. It's a FCC assigned channel number,
3. It's NOT a non existant channel number as channel one (which never existed on cable and doesn't exist OTA) and channel zero which isn't a real number value in the first place,
4. It prevents tuners from getting confused with duplicate fictitious channel numbers,
5. It allows recording that channel without conflicts where as more than one channel 1.1 (for example) won't allow recording from other than the lowest physical channel number. IOW's if you have three channel 1.1's, only the first physical channel gets recorded The guide can't tell the difference between 1.1, 1.1 and 1.1
6. It's just common sense.

I would need additional time to come up with more reasons.

I thought WNLO's "actual" digital channel number was 32-1, not 74.

74 is an arbitrary number assigned by Time Warner. (just like 1.x or 0 but at least those would group the channel in proximity to the other locals).

I thought WNLO's "actual" digital channel number was 32-1, not 74.It is, but this is cable we are talking about here. There is nothing written that a MSO has to use the same channel number for a OTA station on cable (even though it would be a differenct frequency). 74 is an arbitrary number assigned by Time Warner.'Arbitary' decesion what channel to use, but it is still a reconized FCC assigned channel number.

As to 'grouping' channels together, there is usually the option to add channels to a 'Favorites' list, keeping most watched channels together. I understand the 'conveinance' of having your favorites together, but in the grand sceam of things, it makes more sense not to mess with the PSIP data. The viewer can and should get use to new channel numbers just as they had to do in the past. Why is it any different now?

If the cable company was truly doing it properly, they'd map to their OTA numbers. As I recall, the cable company is supposed to pass the PSIP from the OTA signal as it is, unmodified. I could be wrong on that, but...

- Trip

But, the problem with that is most/many tuners won't reconize numbers above 158;
http://www.n2prise.org/catvfrq2.htmthe cable company is supposed to pass the PSIP from the OTA signal as it is, unmodifiedUnless I used the wrong acroynm, but i don't think so;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=49384

'Arbitary' decesion what channel to use, but it is still a reconized FCC assigned channel number.



What does this mean? Just that 74 is a digit other than 1 or 0?

Anyone else seeing an odd "line" appear in the middle of the left side of the screen on every HD show on WKBW via OTA for the past few weeks?

It comes and goes but it's consistent.

"74" is a whole number comprosed of digits. 0 and 1 are digits, but they are NOT channel numbers.
Have you looked at the 1st link I provided above (go back to the first page)? Do you see a channel "0" or channel "1" listed??

BTW; At least two in the Canadian forum have reported this issue with WKBW.

Anytime. I'm pretty sure you are getting killed with overload (which can be fixed).

How? attenuators/Filters?

Last I checked they were expensive.
But that was a long time ago before OTA tv "got popular" again. Maybe they are cheaper now. Have a source?
I'd like to do something to knock down the Ch29 stuff so I could pull in 53 (never seen it) and 66/CFTO on a regular basis.

I (and others) have posted this source a few times in the HDTV Technical forum;
http://www.cefilter.com/products/display_categories.asp?catID=1

This is a excellant place to do business with and they are in NYS. The 'barrel' or 'can' traps are around $35 each, the better notch filters are around $100 a cavity. I use one of those for 43.1 since they have a much tighter 'skirt' than the cheaper 'can' type of filter.

This late in the game, you might as wait untill the 'dust' settles next Feburary to see what the four remaining channels have on your reception.

Is anybody else having an issue with Toon Disney HD and the audio being off about 1 second and the video being choppy?

December 15th at 628pm, mark your calendars;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=96303

BTW, the test will repeat January 15th in the same time period.

I'm not getting tonight's Sabres game on the usual clear-QAM channel. Anyone else? Did they move it? I'm just seeing commercials for OnDemand.

Never mind, it's there now.

anyone having trouble getting ch 728 or 750 on TWC digital cable? They've been out for a while on my box

December 15th at 628pm, mark your calendars;
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=96303

BTW, the test will repeat January 15th in the same time period.

I wonder how long they are testing for, and do you think wngs will transmit at vhf 7 and what about ion out of batavia, are they going to teat?

i heard just 2 minutes

I wonder how long they are testing for, and do you think wngs will transmit at vhf 7 and what about ion out of batavia, are they going to teat?

It all say what channels are participating in the link. Read it, it will tell you.

The analog channels will NOT be shut down for the two minutes. Instead, a message will be shown; "If you can read this, you aren't ready for the transistion", or words to that effect. The digital channels will air as usual.

Since WNGS and WPXJ can not have a digital signal until Feburary, I would assume they will have some similar message displayed.

did anybody notice 26.1 WNYB HD and WNYB DT 26.2 ?

Not here- on two different tuners!

26.1 - in HD - Must see tv ! :D

Now I know you have lost it. Stretched, holly roller SD. :rolleyes:

What a waste of bandwidth and electricity. Almost as bad as listening to the idiot in the White House stumble through another of his press conferences.

Keep your politics to yourself, btw the President Elect is holding his press conferences his Chicago offices, not in the White House

The post had nothing to do with the President Elect since he isn't in the White House yet. :rolleyes:

The post had nothing to do with the President Elect since he isn't in the White House yet. :rolleyes:

You're not suggesting Pres. Bush stumbles through his press conferences!!??!!?? ;)

The post had nothing to do with the President Elect since he isn't in the White House yet. :rolleyes:

just playing with you... I knew you'd bite on that, you seem a little unsettled in in many of your posts to tell you the truth. Please keep your politics out of this forum.

You're not suggesting Pres. Bush stumbles through his press conferences! Not suggesting at all. ;) you seem a little unsettled in in many of your posts"Unsettled"?? Unless telling it the way it is is "unsettled".

Looks like more trouble at WUTV. I'm now being treated to primetime color bars.

As long as they are HD bars. ;)

:mad:"Looks like more trouble at WUTV. I'm now being treated to primetime color bars"

Did anyone find out what the hell happened with WUTV last nite. Had my dvr all setup to record The Terminator and when I went back to watch it at 830 most of the first half of the show wasn't even there. Checked my OTA signal also & obviously the problem was at WUTV. Don't they get these feeds in advance and then broadcast them at thier scheduled time? Before everything went digital I used to watch a lot of the network feeds in the clear with my BUD.

Was there someone asleep at the switch?

Be interested to know the explanation for this screw up!

hello guys !! I am having a basic question here, I live near kenmore/main st area and my problem is that I can not get few local channels as good as other channels in my HDTV. Like NBC(nothing at all) and CBS ( most of the times stuck-- no signal). I tried using Radioshacks HD antenna but waste no use.. So I let my old 10 yr old antenna to work and it is the same, channels which come in HD had no quality difference when I used any sort of antennas, all had the same nice quality.

Is there anyway that I could get NBC and CBS ? Is it the Buffalo area problem or my antenna? I am thinking to get this one from monoprice

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090101&p_id=4728&seq=1&format=2

You think changing antenna will help ? And do you guys also have problem with CBS getting stuck ??

hello guys !! I am having a basic question here, I live near kenmore/main st area and my problem is that I can not get few local channels as good as other channels in my HDTV. Like NBC(nothing at all) and CBS ( most of the times stuck-- no signal). I tried using Radioshacks HD antenna but waste no use.. So I let my old 10 yr old antenna to work and it is the same, channels which come in HD had no quality difference when I used any sort of antennas, all had the same nice quality.

Is there anyway that I could get NBC and CBS ? Is it the Buffalo area problem or my antenna? I am thinking to get this one from monoprice

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090101&p_id=4728&seq=1&format=2

You think changing antenna will help ? And do you guys also have problem with CBS getting stuck ??

First of all, I've got to warn you that indoor antennas are pretty tricky and I'm not an expert. If you want to try one out, make sure you try it in MANY locations....sometimes moving it a few feet makes a BIG difference!! (And also try near windows)

This site has lots of info: http://www.tvfool.com

Also, you can do some homework then ask your questions on this forum also: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=381623

Good luck!!

[QUOTE=philherz;15253807]First of all, I've got to warn you that indoor antennas are pretty tricky and I'm not an expert. If you want to try one out, make sure you try it in MANY locations....sometimes moving it a few feet makes a BIG difference!! (And also try near windows)


Forget all those indoor rabbit ears. most dont work well. If you have even a closet or an attic we have a ni:)ce 2 bay bowtie that will blow most indoor antennas away. These things are small enough you could mount it on a lamp post in the place. they only run about 24.00 and work great!
Rich

Anytime. I'm pretty sure you are getting killed with overload (which can be fixed).

Hey Bruce,
My father in-law finally got his antenna on the tower- about 40' right beside his house. Pointing NW he gets the following: 18-1, 20-1, 35-1, 40-1, 44-1, 64-1, 26-1. :D- Yes he gets to watch the holy rollers too! Not bad from Pendleton huh? Wish I could get just 1 more canadian station!:mad:

He should also get 24.1 (CBLTF), 65.1 (CIII) & 66.1 (CKXT) if he is getting all of those already.

Have him point east and try for 16.1, 28.1, 58.1 & 59.1 out of Rochester. (They will revert back to their current analog allocations after Feb. 17th.)

Hey Bruce,
My father in-law finally got his antenna on the tower- about 40' right beside his house. Pointing NW he gets the following: 18-1, 20-1, 35-1, 40-1, 44-1, 64-1, 26-1. :D- Yes he gets to watch the holy rollers too! Not bad from Pendleton huh? Wish I could get just 1 more canadian station!:mad:

Jim'
where is yor father in law located in pendlton? I had a guy come to the shop about a month ago and told me he was gona put an atenna on a tower in pendlton. He is a HAm Operator as am I and he needed some extra suff to complete the Job. Their are some good Hot spots out there ,so long as you can stay away from the GI overload. On another note Man this site has been Dead:mad: I would have thought it would be hopping this time of year and this close to the day the sky goes black.
Rich

Besides sending an email through the website - anyone have any good ideas on who to email to try and get CBC HD?

My house in (T of T) is surrounded by trees and my wife would kill me if I tried and added a antenna (or tower for it)

after watching Cirque Monday night in SD and knowing the Olympics is coming, I really want CBC in HD

I have looked into this before, here is the response i received from CBC:

From: Kim Belle [cbcinput2@toronto.cbc.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Audience Reaction: CBC Picture Quality / HD Availability]

Dear Patrick:

I regret the delay in responding to your inquiry.

CBC is currently broadcasting in over the air high definition in Montreal,
Toronto, Ottawa and Vancouver. Beyond that, no further decisions have been
made regarding further expansion as yet, since federal funding for such
projects is not currently in place. Any further new transmitters would likely
be placed in major centres of high population, but it's premature to speculate
on possible locations for future transmitters at the moment, or on exactly
when additional facilities might be installed.

The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) has
established a date of August 31, 2011 as the deadline to end analog TV
transmission in Canada. Any expansion projects for CBC will not be put in
place until after this deadline. Given that HD distribution is limited to four
cities rather than being country-wide, it's more economical for CBC to feed
these locations by fibre optic cable as opposed to by satellite.

While the CBC HD feed is available to U.S. regional cable providers at this
time, it would be up to each individual carrier to arrange for either a
satellite uplink or fibre link to its various head end technical facilities in
the United States. It's unlikely that these companies would be willing to
shoulder these costs in the face of what they may consider to be limited
financial return.

Thank you for writing to CBC.

Kim Belle
Communications Assistant
CBC Audience Relations

my wife would kill me if I tried and added a antenna Why?? :rolleyes:
If she doesn't like the look, don't look at it. Worrying about roofs leaking is a lame excuse also.

mcquillen811; Interesting 'canned' response. CBC puts a decent signal into WNY (compared to all the other stations from Ontario).

FYI, I have created a yahoo mail group for discussion of Western NY HDTV, hardware OTA signals, satellite, and cable. If you are so inclined, please consider a visit to

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/wnyhdtv/


Andy

anyone getting low signals on cbc lately? I am having a difficult time picking it up. Today i am not even getting a signal at all.

anyone getting low signals on cbc lately? I am having a difficult time picking it up. Today i am not even getting a signal at all.


Alas, CBC is always weak here in Chautauqua County. I hope they eventually stick an HD translator closer to the Lake Erie shore. What are CBC carrying for sub-channels these days , just CBLF?

yep, for the most part i had no problem picking it up. It seems the signals got weaker in the winter with the cold weather rolling in

The Canadian table of allocations has been coming in on the FCC site over the last few months, and it would appear that CBLT-DT has an allocation which specifies 99.6 kW on channel 20, versus whatever they're running now. It's a bit of a boost; hopefully it'll help you guys.

- Trip

did they increase the power already??

The Canadian table of allocations has been coming in on the FCC site over the last few months, and it would appear that CBLT-DT has an allocation which specifies 99.6 kW on channel 20, versus whatever they're running now. It's a bit of a boost; hopefully it'll help you guys.

- Trip

Do you have a link to that FCC info for CBC? Last info I had was that CBLT was 38KW, if they increase by almost 65% and keep some pattern towards the south, we may be in for a nice surprise.

I hope it happens soon

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=179994

- Trip

I was looking into OTA HD a year ago but was told by a local antannae seller that i wouldnt be able to receive that many channels...

Now I've decided to look into it once again. I currently live in Niagara Falls, Ontario. What channels would i expect to get from an antennae in the attic facing a window?

Does any one have any idea if and when canadion stations will bump up there broadcast single strengths. I can get every station but city and i get most american stations, with my home made 8 bay channel master clone. That i have sitting in my room buy my tv. Now if i move it to the other side of my tv i can get city but it drops out and the other channels do not come in very well. if i rotate it toward hamilton i am in toronto i can grab global from them but i am amazed that city is such a pain to get. I do have a 10db amp on it and if i remove it global sun and the weaker of the 2 omni's break up when i move around so i do not think overload is an issue so i am now just blaming it on single strength.

Probably no signal increases until the Canadian analog shutoff in August 2011.

- Trip

unable to get cbc tonight. I have been having a issue getting the signal for a week now. Has anyone else having a problem. Dont know if i should start trouble shooting my equipment. All my buffalo signals come in nice and stong

i am in toronto cbc is 3 bars from full on my samsung

what is ur normal signal

that is around normal for cbc i can basicly point my antenna in any way and still get it

I was looking into OTA HD a year ago but was told by a local antannae seller that i wouldnt be able to receive that many channels...Are you sure he wasn't selling FTA (satellite) antennas?? :rolleyes:
By my quick count, at least 24 sould be available in your area between our two countries.

Of all the areas in North America, WNY and Southern Ontarion has, without a doubt, the greatest selection of OTA signals, bar none. While living along the Northeast Corridor between Boston and Washington gives you choices from as many as 3 and possible 4 TV markets, those are all duplicates of the major five networks. IOW's, how many CBS stations do you need?

While Erie PA and Rochester aren't far away, reception is iffy for some and non existant for many, but reception from Ontario is another matter. Of course elevation, surroundings and lastly, how high can you go with your antenna are determining factors.

Probably no signal increases until the Canadian analog shutoff in August 2011.Delete the word "probably". BTW, I wouldn't go by what the FCC lists for Canadian stations. There are too many mistakes as it is with US stations, let alone Canadian.

AFAIK, that have not been and probably will not be any changes up north untill 2011. Last week, there was a 'drop' in conditions at least one morning to a point the 60's trio (64.1, 65.1 & 66.1) vanished completely, while the lower stations seemed to of only dropped slightly in received signal level. This happens from time to time no matter what season. CFMT 64.1 I usually receive, CIII I sometimes receive and CKXT 66.1 I rarely receive were all flat (at or below the noise floor).

As far as translators, forget it.

Best suggestion, wait 5 more weeks, install a amp or preamp, move your antenna and see if that improves things.

Delete the word "probably". BTW, I wouldn't go by what the FCC lists for Canadian stations. There are too many mistakes as it is with US stations, let alone Canadian.

Well, given that CBLT-DT is staying on channel 20 after the Canadian transition, you never know if they'll boost power early. That's the only reason I said "probably," since they're one of the only ones that wouldn't be wasting money doing so.

Granted, I've heard nothing to suggest they would, but it's not outside the realm of possibility.

And while there are definitely inaccuracies in the database, these are the channels the FCC has approved for use by the Canadian government, so I'm pretty confident they're mostly accurate.

- Trip

these are the channels the FCC has approved for use by the Canadian governmentYou mean, these are the channels that the Canadian government allocated for those Canadian stations? The FCC just agreed to it.

You do realize the problem with the CN Tower? They are trying to put 10 lbs. of s*it in a 1 lb. bag.
There is only so much room on the tower for antennas,
There is only so much 'headroon' for the additional wind loading extra antennas place on the tower,
There are only so many transmitters one can combine and feed into a single antenna, or array of antennas (see below),
Lastly, but most important, there is only so much RF that can be applied to one antenna to keep the 'heating' factor with specs.

I never fails to amaze me how they can continue to make this work considering the tower is 34 years old and was only designed for a handful of stations (and antennas);
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CN_Tower

The FCC had to approve them. Just as the Canadian government has to approve US allocation changes that are pending.

Agreed on the CN Tower though, it's amazing what they've done there. I imagine that they'll end up with a combiner not unlike the one at the Empire State Building.

- Trip

well that is a bummer it is funy i can get 2-1 WGRZ from all the way across the lake. but i can not get City tv wich is all of mabey 2 or 3 km away. They are broadcasting on a woping 1.2 kw. really a power increase of a couple kilowatts would probbaly improve things alot. but i guess i will have to wait and see, As is i can keep my antenna in one spot pull in all the major american and canadian channels other then fox and city there are a few of the smaller american statons i do not get but that does not really matter to me for the most part i am happy with my home made antenna.

I was looking into OTA HD a year ago but was told by a local antannae seller that i wouldnt be able to receive that many channels...

Now I've decided to look into it once again. I currently live in Niagara Falls, Ontario. What channels would i expect to get from an antennae in the attic facing a window?

Depends on the gain of the antenna and would also depend on whether you plan on rotating the antenna. I also would expect the antenna performance to be influenced by things in your house/attic, such as whether your house has aluminum siding or other materials that can impact UHF signals.

If you have an average gain UHF antenna in an attic unaffected by building materials and can get a line of site to the CN Tower, you should be able to get CBC, CHCH, TVO, and CTV. probably others like City-TV. If you have line of site towards Buffalo/Grand Island you should easily get Fox TV via WUTV but NBC, CBS, and ABC will be trickier since their transmitters are well south of Buffalo. CBS will be likely easier because of their higher power.



Andy

There are only so many transmitters one can combine and feed into a single antenna, or array of antennas

That is why many Toronto channels will go back to their original channels in 2011. For example, CFTO will go from transititional DTV 40 back to DTV 9.


First # is final DTV channel, An, T-DTV
9 9 40 ON Toronto CFTO-TV 433833 792315 467.00 2400
19 19 51 ON Toronto CICA-TV 433833 792315 491.00 106500
20 5 20 ON Toronto CBLT 433833 792315 499.80 99600
25 25 24 ON Toronto CBLFT 433833 792315 499.80 99000
40 52 66 ON Toronto CKXT-TV 433833 792315 467.00 107000
41 41 65 ON Toronto CIII-TV-41 433833 792315 501.40 100000
44 69 44 ON Toronto CJMT-TV 433856 792255 303.70 1000000
47 47 64 ON Toronto CFMT-TV 433833 792315 501.40 99000
51 57 53 ON Toronto CITY-TV 433833 792315 463.30 23000

i can not get City tv wich is all of mabey 2 or 3 km away. They are broadcasting on a woping 1.2 kw. really a power increase of a couple kilowatts would probbaly improve things alot1. What direction from the CN tower are you?
2. It would take alot more than a few KW to make a difference.
3. The signal is highly directional to the NW.
4. I hate to say, I am highly doubtful there will be any change even after 2011. :mad:

I wish CBLFT and CITY would swap allocations. :D

That is why many Toronto channels will go back to their original channels in 2011.Changing channels has nothing to do with the situation I was addressing. The number of transmitters (stations) remains the same, no matter what channels they use. Other then CFTO reverting back to VHF which will (should) make reception easier, everything else is just playing musical chairs (on UHF).

BTW, you beat me to that list. ;)

Try this link for Canadian TV lookups (be sure to choose the Canadian database);
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php

Though I'm not sure about being more accurate judging by the contour of CITY's digital signal;
http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?cantv=CITY-DT&jaws=0

But without the analog transmitters, there'll be half as many transmitters up there.

Also, this is CITY-DT post-August 2011. http://www.recnet.com/cdbs/fmq.php?facid=180002&jaws=0

- Trip

Yep, you got me on that one, but that is 2 1/2 years out and anything could happen.

I am north west of the CN tower like i walk down the street i can see it. i pick up analog CITY tv just fine. i can basicly get every station in the area digital and analog. the only ones i do not get are Fox, City tv, TBN and My TV Also i do not have to move my antenna to get them all really whats the point of a local station if you can not get it 3 km from t where they broadcast it from lol

Thanks for the help, I guess ill try and locally find a shop that sells antennaes

By the way would type of antenna should I be looking for? Also would I be fine buying an antenna online?

like i walk down the street i can see it.I can stand out in front of my frieds place in Wilson on a clear day and do the same thing (without glasses).
You are either 'under the umbrella' (too close, the signal is passing overhead)), getting overloaded from those two 'RF farms' (the Tower and 1st Canada Place), multipath issues or a combination of the above. Move the natenna a few inches or a few feet.
As far as WUTV 14.1 & WNLO 32.1, move the antenna. As far as the other one, who cares?? :rolleyes:

Zeratsu; Now that the (somewhat) final Canadian channel plan has surfaced, the orginal Channel Master 4228 is the best choice because of the (somewhat) limited ability to receive on the VHF high band. If you look long enough, you can still find them, though it will be a long look. ;)

2nd choice, I have no idea. :(

On another subject, I see TWC has added 'C-SPAN 2 History' on channel 88.3 (for only $6 more a month) :D
"The power of you" my ass.............

Where's the final Canadian channel plan?

Where's the final Canadian channel plan?

It's scattered across the FCC site, probably on the Canadian site somewhere though I don't know how to navigate it.

When it popped up a few weeks ago, I stuck the channels on my website for the border areas. Here's Toronto:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=64

The second column has the current digital channel with an arrow pointing to their final channel.

- Trip

It's scattered across the FCC site, probably on the Canadian site somewhere though I don't know how to navigate it."Scattered" is a good choice of words. I don't waste my time trying to "navigate" the FCC's site either. I can't swim. :rolleyes:

"Scattered" is a good choice of words. I don't waste my time trying to "navigate" the FCC's site either. I can't swim. :rolleyes:

I toughed it out and learned how to get around the FCC site. I am not about to dedicate that same effort to the CRTC or Industry Canada sites. :p

- Trip

Attached are coverage maps for the Buffalo market from the FCC (in multiple posts). The whole .pdf file is too large to post as an attachment.

A overall decrease in coverage for WGRZ,

Mostly a 'wash' for WIVB,

What appears to be a 'wash' for WKBW isn't. Estimated huge increased coverage towards Rochester. Note the spotty loss in Cattaraugus county.

What appears to be identical countours, WNED seems gains much to the east of Batavia,

With out a doubt, the greatest change, bar none, is with WNGS (if they are still on the air next month). You have to look close to find the analog contour. It is buried in the shape of a small circle at the bottom of the overall digital contour. Also note the digital contour is directional to the NW to my surprise which should make our neighbors up north happy,

For WNLO, a large increase in overall coverage with a few surprising dead spots in SE Erie and western Wyoming counties (hope there are alot of girls under 30 out there ;) ).

There is a huge loss for WNYO unless they are allowed to move to WUTV's analog allocation. Especially in Orleans, Monroe, Wyoming, Cattaraugus & Genesse counties,

WPXJ will see a large increase, especially in Erie, Cattaraugus, Allegany and some parts of Niagara counties. Lokingat the overall coverage, that pretty much includes alot of the Buffalo market (execpt fot the southern tier), all of the Rochester market and parts of the Finger lakes, one can't help but wonder; Why hasen't the two markets combine their coverage for most of WNY, to include Rochester and west by relocating to Pavilion? Yes, I know there is much more to this, but it surely is a interesting idea in light of current events,

WUTV has a gain to the SW, south, SE and east with a slight increase towards Toronto.

are there similar maps for rochester channels???

Yep. Not the right thread to post in though. Try here;
http://www.rochesterhdtv.com/showpost.php?p=42097&postcount=386

After spending some time to combine all of this areas Canadian listings and weeding out the 'fluff', here is IC's final allocation chart.

maybe we would be best served if we get UHF/VHF anntennas given CFTO and CHCH are going to revert to 11 and 9.

we are still selling and installing combo antenas exactly because of that. Most of the new winegard hd series tend to be more generous on the uhf side. That is good seeing how vhf seems to get thru alot easier in alot of locations
Rich Lockport

Rich: Do you think a Winegard HD 8200U will perform better than the Winegard HD 8800 8-Bay UHF. If so can you Install it on short notice(when my wife goes out of town!)

maybe we would be best served if we get UHF/VHF anntennas given CFTO and CHCH are going to revert to 11 and 9.

I purchased a DB8 and since they are supposed to be able to pick up the Hi-VHF channels , would 9 and 11 be considered as Hi ?

Yes. I'm not sure just how good the VHF preformance is on those.
Other than CFTO and CHCH reverting back in 2 1/2 years, Rochester and Erie are also. Though by the look of things, Erie isn't doing very well. I think someone needs to take up a collection. ;)

What channels does Time Warner send in HD unencrypted. I'm looking at getting a TV tuner for my computer and was wondering if it was worth it to get one with Clear QAM. I know its different for every provider in every area.

nbc,cbs,abc,fox,pbs,cw,mytv and a whole lotta- music choice stuff

nbc,cbs,abc,fox,pbs,cw,mytv and a whole lotta- music choice stuff

Maybe it depends on the package. My parents live in Getzville and have one of those $10/month Lifeline packages....they don't get anything in HD unencrypted.

Maybe it depends on the package. My parents live in Getzville and have one of those $10/month Lifeline packages....they don't get anything in HD unencrypted.

That's probably because they don't have the HD "Tier". I believe its no additional charge.

nbc,cbs,abc,fox,pbs,cw,mytv and a whole lotta- music choice stuff

Is the unencrypted HD stuff, Perfect quality since its using the cable line and not an antenna?

That's probably because they don't have the HD "Tier". I believe its no additional charge.

Is the unencrypted HD stuff, Perfect quality since its using the cable line and not an antenna?

I rarely believe the Time Warner customer service reps, but they told me that to get unencrypted HD, my parents would have to upgrade from their $10 Lifeline plan to the $30 plan which does not include a box.

I've had TW, D*, and seen my parents OTA. With the right antenna, OTA is the best. D* is next and, from my experience, TW pulls up the rear.......

In my experience I didn't get any clear QAM channels until I was getting digital cable service. Either that, or they did something to the cable running into the house for digital that also "fixed" the clear QAM that I wasn't getting previously.

In addition to the locals TBS in non-HD is also clear. And local Sabres games on MSG are in HD and in the clear too.

Also... I do not have the "HD Tier" or any HD channels from TW except for the clear QAM ones.

In my experience I didn't get any clear QAM channels until I was getting digital cable service. Either that, or they did something to the cable running into the house for digital that also "fixed" the clear QAM that I wasn't getting previously.

In addition to the locals TBS in non-HD is also clear. And local Sabres games on MSG are in HD and in the clear too.

Also... I do not have the "HD Tier" or any HD channels from TW except for the clear QAM ones.

It's been about 6 months, but if I rememeber correctly, the $10/mon lifeline package gives something like channels 2-25.

To get clear QAM channels, the rep told me my parents would have to upgrade to some $30 package and they'd get 2-25 plus a few extra HD channels thrown in, but he couldn't be specific. (!!??!!??)

OTA is a much better deal for them vs. a $30 package to get the locals plus C-SPAN and a couple shopping channels.

The 'Lifeline' package (whatever it is called) are only channels below 25 (or so). A trap is installed to block all channels above that.
Digital channels start above physical channel 72 and go up to 117 (encripted or not).

Looks as something might be cooking over at WNED regarding those mystery sub channels that appeared a month or so ago.

http://www.updatelogic.com/network-television.html

I have digital cable so everything should be ok. But in future when Fios comes in my area I'm getting that. Does Fios offer any HD Clear QAM stations?

Just signed up. having some issues with OTA WIVB channel 4 HDTV signal. Used to get it but not anymore. I have a decent Channel Master with rotor. I live in Wilson NY. Channel 7, 29, 49, etc I get analog and HD OTA. WIVB was good for the longest time, now nothing. I looked at the coverage maps posted in a previous post and we might fall in that yellow area (maps not detailed enough). SO, does that mean that we lose the WIVB signal?

Thanks

About the DTV switch date? All of this preparedness so we can now wait more? Now they're saying 6/12. Anyone think another delay will be announced on or about memorial day?

Just signed up. having some issues with OTA WIVB channel 4 HDTV signal. Used to get it but not anymore. I have a decent Channel Master with rotor. I live in Wilson NY. Channel 7, 29, 49, etc I get analog and HD OTA. WIVB was good for the longest time, now nothing. I looked at the coverage maps posted in a previous post and we might fall in that yellow area (maps not detailed enough). SO, does that mean that we lose the WIVB signal?

Thanks

Very interesting......my parents live in Getzville and use a Radio Shack 15-1878. For the longest time WIVB worked great, but just today my father reported that it's been on and off for a while now.

I wonder if it's something on WIVB's end?????

Looks good here. Apparently both of you are on the 'cliff'.

I too have noticed that WIVB (4) has been harder to receive for the previous couple of weeks. Have they lowered their power output?

Also, WKBW (7) seems easier to receive. Have they increased their power?

Does anyone agree with my guess? Does anyone have a better explanation? Are one or both of these changes just my imagination?

I live in Amherst and I am using a simple TV top antenna.

Move your antenna a few inches (or feet) and will probably see a difference. Take a look through these:

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/dtvantennas.pdf
http://www.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=The+DTV+reception+debate&expire=&urlID=21007708&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbroadcastengineering.com%2Fdigital_handbook %2Fbroadcasting_dtv_reception_debate%2Findex.html&partnerID=99531
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/reception_sanyo.htm

and then there is also this;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=611957

BTW, welcome to the forums.

It's been about 6 months, but if I rememeber correctly, the $10/mon lifeline package gives something like channels 2-25.

To get clear QAM channels, the rep told me my parents would have to upgrade to some $30 package and they'd get 2-25 plus a few extra HD channels thrown in.

I recently dropped down from digital/DVR service to basic cable to lifeline (2-24)...I have Dish Network for DVR/HDTV needs... I do get all HD locals via QAM (TBS too) with the lifeline programming including the home Sabres games in HD....

Then they must be doing something different in the Town of Lockport or they changed the type of trap they are using. Unencripted digital channels are 88, 89, 94, 106 & 108 & 111 (among others) off the top of my head.

Does anybody know for sure if any/all Buffalo and Rochester channels are still shuutting off analog on 2/17?

Does anybody know for sure if any/all Buffalo and Rochester channels are still shuutting off analog on 2/17?

WKBW has filed to tell the FCC they're transitioning on schedule. Nobody else has, yet.

- Trip

So what is the deal in regards to Time Warner and Verizon FIOS not adding CBC and CTV HD to their cable systems? Is there something legally preventing them from doing so?

If so, does that mean that TWC will drop the analog CBC and CTV signal in 2011 (when the Canadian digital changeover happens) and not replace them with the HD versions of those signals?

I need to know because I now watch CBC and CTV via Slingbox downstate and I would be willing to put up an antenna at my Slingbox location (in WNY) in order to continue receiving these stations after 2011.

Your lucky they are carried in the first place. I doubt they wiil be carried in HD except after 2011.

No one knows what's going to happen in 3 weeks, let alone 2 1/2 years from now. :rolleyes:

WKBW has filed to tell the FCC they're transitioning on schedule. Nobody else has, yet.

- Trip

Add WNYO and WUTV.

- Trip

Anyone know if they will be 1 out of the 20 going HD on 2/16? I was told a while ago they were behind schedule on their tower construction.

Anyone know if they will be 1 out of the 20 going HD on 2/16? I was told a while ago they were behind schedule on their tower construction.

Later in 2009, according to the articles I've read. HD has no bearing on the digital, which I would hope will be up in time.

- Trip

Looks as it won't matter anymore;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1105820

Looks as it won't matter anymore;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1105820

Still matters. All that was defeated was an attempt to fast-track it which required a 2/3 majority. It got 60% or so. They can still bring it up for simple majority vote next week.

- Trip

Still matters. All that was defeated was an attempt to fast-track it which required a 2/3 majority. It got 60% or so. They can still bring it up for simple majority vote next week.

- Trip

It may not matter that much. I'm hearing that a lot of markets intend to stay with the February date (including Buffalo). It's a huge financial burden to carry for much longer.

It may not matter that much. I'm hearing that a lot of markets intend to stay with the February date (including Buffalo). It's a huge financial burden to carry for much longer.

I'm confused.....I assume if Congress decides to delay it, staying with analog only would not be an option.

When they switch over, stations already broadcasting in digital may switch to new frequencies.

If they plan to stay with the February date anyway, are you thinking they will switch to those new frequencies and still do analog????

I'm confused.....I assume if Congress decides to delay it, staying with analog only would not be an option.

When they switch over, stations already broadcasting in digital may switch to new frequencies.

If they plan to stay with the February date anyway, are you thinking they will switch to those new frequencies and still do analog????

The deadline was always just that: the final date that analog is allowed. There was always the option to shut it off earlier. It seems that a lot of markets will exercise that option and stick with the well publicized date of February 17th.

The channel switch is a more complicated matter. I think that as long as a whole market shuts down analog at once, moving to a different channel is not a problem. If channel 7 decided not to shut down on the 17th (which is not the case but just for argument's sake) then WNGS could not move to channel 7 with their digital signal. There isn't much else to change in the Buffalo market except for WPXJ moving to channel 23 when WNLO drops analog.

I think the idea is to stick with the analog shutdown in February and make any moves necessary, NOT change to a new digital channel and remain on with analog. They won't be allowed to do that, anyway.