It may not matter that much. I'm hearing that a lot of markets intend to stay with the February date (including Buffalo). It's a huge financial burden to carry for much longer.

I'm confused.....I assume if Congress decides to delay it, staying with analog only would not be an option.

When they switch over, stations already broadcasting in digital may switch to new frequencies.

If they plan to stay with the February date anyway, are you thinking they will switch to those new frequencies and still do analog????

I'm confused.....I assume if Congress decides to delay it, staying with analog only would not be an option.

When they switch over, stations already broadcasting in digital may switch to new frequencies.

If they plan to stay with the February date anyway, are you thinking they will switch to those new frequencies and still do analog????

The deadline was always just that: the final date that analog is allowed. There was always the option to shut it off earlier. It seems that a lot of markets will exercise that option and stick with the well publicized date of February 17th.

The channel switch is a more complicated matter. I think that as long as a whole market shuts down analog at once, moving to a different channel is not a problem. If channel 7 decided not to shut down on the 17th (which is not the case but just for argument's sake) then WNGS could not move to channel 7 with their digital signal. There isn't much else to change in the Buffalo market except for WPXJ moving to channel 23 when WNLO drops analog.

I think the idea is to stick with the analog shutdown in February and make any moves necessary, NOT change to a new digital channel and remain on with analog. They won't be allowed to do that, anyway.

The channel switch is a more complicated matter. I think that as long as a whole market shuts down analog at once, moving to a different channel is not a problem. If channel 7 decided not to shut down on the 17th (which is not the case but just for argument's sake) then WNGS could not move to channel 7 with their digital signal.

FYI, don't expect WNGS to sign on DT-07 for a while after 02/17/09. Their owner is bankrupt and has received permission to take their stations silent as of the transition date.

- Trip

WKBW better turn off the wasted bandwidth of the weather channel during the Superbowl. We should have full bitrate broadcasts.

WKBW better turn off the wasted bandwidth of the weather channel during the Superbowl. We should have full bitrate broadcasts.

So with the Super Bowl on NBC, why mock WKBW??

Did anyone else realize that that 5.1 did not kick in until the end of the 2nd quarter. It sounded like clapping thru my rear speakers until it kicked in.

The signal was 5.1 the entire time but something was horked. I just switched to stereo.

Did anyone else realize that that 5.1 did not kick in until the end of the 2nd quarter. It sounded like clapping thru my rear speakers until it kicked in.

Unless your name is Warren, this wasn't a unique problem. I had a friend that called and said the same thing.

WKBW better turn off the wasted bandwidth of the weather channel during the Superbowl. We should have full bitrate broadcasts.

The picture quality on Dish Network was terrible, as to be expected w/a local broadcast in HD. Each time the camera moved, it took a couple frames to 'focus' before the turf was resolved. I really think it's time to go back to OTA for this sort of thing.

WKBW better turn off the wasted bandwidth of the weather channel during the Superbowl. I don't think WKBW can do to much about WGRZ's sub channels. Besides, it doesn't take a whole lot of bandwidth.The picture quality on Dish Network was terrible, as to be expected w/a local broadcast in HD.I can't fathom why anyone would want to watch a local (especially a network ND broadcast) through a overly compressed satellite service. :rolleyes:

any body notice that it now says WNED DT bufflo toronto instead of WNED HD in the bottom corner of the screen on 17.1

well it looks like 17.1 and 17.2 are now brodcasting the same shows

any body notice that it now says WNED DT bufflo toronto instead of WNED HD in the bottom corner of the screen on 17.1well it looks like 17.1 and 17.2 are now brodcasting the same showsLooks as WNED can be added to the list. Question is just how much of the programming will still be HD?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061409&highlight=pbs

On another note, though when it will apply to WPXJ in Pavilion who knows;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1077141

Ya i started to notice a little while ago that there seemed to be alot more 4:3 content on WNED so are they going to drop 17.2 after the shut down seems like a waste of bandwidth now

Since no one mentioned this (no pun intended), last week WNGS has begun carrying THIS to replace bankrupt RTN;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_TV (notice the footnote for WNGS)This TV's program schedule relies on the extensive library of films and TV programming currently owned by MGM and sister studio United Artists (notably excluding the pre-1986 MGM film/TV library, whose rights are currently held by Turner Entertainment and Time Warner). The film lineup does not concentrate on films from any specific era, meaning films from the Depression era to contemporary times are featured.Depression era. Does that mean recently produced films? ;)

http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/moviestv/story/557578.html (halfway down the page)
• A new television network, This TV, is flying its logo on WNGS-TV, the station that used to run classic television shows as an affiliate of the Retro Television Network (RTN). The This logo, carried on the bottom of the TV screen, was the first sign than WNGS has a new affiliation.

Bill Ransom, Channel 7’s general manager, confirmed that WNGS is now an affiliate of MGM’s This TV. Channel 7 has a partnership with WNGS, which is carried on Channel 11 on Time Warner Cable in Buffalo and its suburbs; Channel 11 on FiOS and Channel 67 on DirecTV.

MediaDailyNews, it is a channel that carries movies and some old TV series. MGM started it a few months ago in partnership with Weigel Broadcasting in anticipation of the digital TV conversion coming next month............ According to a trade publication, MediaDailyNews reported in December that MGM said its library has 4,100 films and 10,000 hours of TV programming.

Definitely seems be a worthwhile replacement. ;)

Given the ending of the PBS-HD feed on December 21, it's no surprise they're pulling the new national PBS feed, which overlaps quite a bit with the local station. I'd imagine they'll find something else to put on 17-2, maybe PBS World or something.

- Trip

Just saw the crawl during Oprah. Looks like WIVB and WNLO are joining channel 7, 29 and 49 with the February date.

The stations are required to keep pushing the February 17 date until the bill is signed into law.

Don't read too much into it.

- Trip

The stations are required to keep pushing the February 17 date until the bill is signed into law.

Don't read too much into it.

- Trip

Trip,

it said they are "terminating" analog operations on Feb 17, it looks pretty much like the same message that channel 29 and channel 7 are running.

Trip,

it said they are "terminating" analog operations on Feb 17, it looks pretty much like the same message that channel 29 and channel 7 are running.

Right, because they're all required to run that message until the law is officially changed.

- Trip

Trip and others, have you read and digested the FCC's new rules at

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-6A1.pdf

predicated upon Presidential signature today or tomorrow?

Trip and others, have you read and digested the FCC's new rules at

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-6A1.pdf

predicated upon Presidential signature today or tomorrow?

Yes I have, as noted in the DTV Allotments thread. I'm less than pleased.

- Trip

Right, because they're all required to run that message until the law is officially changed.

- Trip

Trip, you're missing the point. They are shutting off analog on Feb 17. It is not the usual informational crawl. That's pretty generic. The new one specifically says they intend to shut off analog on the February date.

Trip, you're missing the point. They are shutting off analog on Feb 17. It is not the usual informational crawl. That's pretty generic. The new one specifically says they intend to shut off analog on the February date.

I guess we'll just wait and see what gets filed with the FCC over the next three business days. A number of stations which said they were going to terminate have now backed out, so even those who have filed already are hard to rely on at this point.

- Trip

If the station(s) can prove few viewers would be affected if they do shut down, hopefully there won't be a problem.

E! is up 4 Sale- according to Digital Home Canada!
1 less Canadian station to watch from Buffalo if they don't find a buyer that is.

I emailed WNED this morning regarding their plans for the shutdown and subchannels, here's what I got...

"We will be broadcasting our analog signal after 2/17 but will be turning
it off before the national deadline of June 12th. We will be advertising
the date, which will likely be sometime this spring, on our radio and
television stations. I haven't heard of any plans to add a third channel
at this time so it will be ThinkBright and WNED.

Stay tuned!"

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

Great post. Thanks.

Well this is a depressing thread. WNED-DT had the nicest looking 1080i signal around Buffalo (OTA). As HD cable or satellite was never appealing I sprang for the $$ to mount a fixed UHF pointed at the center of Grand Island just to get that tasty programming, much of which never made it to the analog/SD channel. Looks now like it's gone and we're afflicted with the narrow choices our WNYPBA's deem worthy to raise funds.

Oh for a world where the programming was available on demand rather than being filtered through the narrow minded program directors hired by mindless license owners.

Well this is a depressing thread. WNED-DT had the nicest looking 1080i signal around Buffalo (OTA). As HD cable or satellite was never appealing I sprang for the $$ to mount a fixed UHF pointed at the center of Grand Island just to get that tasty programming, much of which never made it to the analog/SD channel. Looks now like it's gone and we're afflicted with the narrow choices our WNYPBA's deem worthy to raise funds.

As I stated earlier in the thread, the 24/7 PBS-HD feed that WNED and all other PBS stations were using ended on December 21. This was not a local decision. It was replaced with a national PBS feed that contained a lot of upconverted SD and overlapped the local schedule anyway.

- Trip

WNED-DT had the nicest looking 1080i signal around Buffalo (OTA)I wouldn't go that far. Actually, it was the worst of the five major networks, not specifically because of WNED, but because PBS had the lowest TS bitrate of the major networks.

The question now is, who at WNED (since this is now under local control unless PBS is now sending some programs in SD) is deciding what gets recorded in HD and what is recorded in SD since everything that PBS use to brodcast was HD?

First, thanks to Bruce for your response and for pointing me to this forum. To answer your questions, I have attic trusses which give me a 5 1/2foot clearance from floor to the bottom of the horizontal stringer. I have my combo antenna on a tripod with a rotor. I would like to pull from Toronto but it's not a necessity. Ironically, I just came down from the attic after disconnecting my UHF/VHF combo antenna and connecting my home-made 4221. The signal on the 2 TV's with built in HD tuner's are strong. As for the 3 std TV tuners in the house, I won't know until I get HD converter boxes. Locals (both UHF & VHF) always came in fine with the old combo unit until the ABC and CBS .1 locals started to intermittently drop signal. It may have been the UHF portion of my combo was too weak (I suspect this is the biggest problem) or maybe signal loss with 5 sets in the house but I'll know which one was the culprit soon enough now that the better 4221 style antenna is in use. I would like to disassemble the UHF portion of my old antenna and retain the VHF portion as I understand the digital switch may now be delayed and some say they may eventually broadcast digitally on VHF one day. Regarding the DA-1018 you suggested, does it matter if I place it right at the antenna or down the line just before it goes into the the multiswitch? Also, what's the best way to combine the 2 signals from what are now two separate UHF & VHF antennas so that I can output a combined signal the way the combo antenna has been doing? Can I use a UHF/VHF Band Separator/Combiner and go to the multiswitch with the single line out of it?

It would be best to ask this in the Buffalo thread.

Anyway, where you live, you won't be able to use a preamp because of the overload from Grand island.

You may be able to use a decent DA like the Winegard DA-1018 (which is discontinued).

I always figure a 4db loss for each 2-way splitter. You may be able to eliminate some of the loss by running the feed down directly to the sets instead of going all the way down to the basement. Feeding six sets will be a problem because of the mixed signal enviroment. Do you have a full attic, or is it just a crawl space?

Are you planning on including theToronto stations?

I would like to pull from Toronto but it's not a necessityBite your tongue. :eek:some say they may eventually broadcast digitally on VHF one day.Some markets will revert back; Rochester and Erie Pa. for example, but only WNGS will be on the high band (ch. 7) in this market. CFTO & CHCH will be the only (near) Ontario stations that will revert back to the high band, but that is a few years away. You shouldn't need a VHF antenna to receive them, especially where you are.
It's too bad Channel Master discontinued the 4228 since, AFAIC, it was the best all around antenna, especially for this market. This Chineese clone seems to be a POS.

As far as amp placement, as close to the antenna as possible, but you have the overload issue to deal with. Frankly, you should really erect the antenna on the roof and see how things are with no amp. I assume you will have a rotor?

I do have a rotor and certainly the roof would be the best place for any antenna but I have no plans for a rooftop install as the pitch is far too steep for me. I still see CM4228's for sale but being recently unemployed, I'll stick with my home made 4221 for now. Reading more of these forums has me thinking about enlarging the reflector to 36" x 36", increasing the 7" bowtie length I'm using now to a 9.5" length, extending the spacing from 5.75 to 9.5 and offsetting the reflector 5" back from the bowtie elements. These tweaks seem to have increased performance for those who tried them and closed the gap between the 4221 and the 4228. I could just build a 4228 too but what I've read in these AVS forums is that the 4228 didn't really perform any better and in many cases worse than the 4221. Call me stupid but what is AFAIC?
Bite your tongue. :eek:
It's too bad Channel Master discontinued the 4228 since, AFAIC, it was the best all around antenna, especially for this market. This Chineese clone seems to be a POS.

As far as amp placement, as close to the antenna as possible, but you have the overload issue to deal with. Frankly, you should really erect the antenna on the roof and see how things are with no amp. I assume you will have a rotor?

My roof is on a 41 degree angle (10 3/4 to 12). The only way up there is with a roof ladder. A friend that lives near me with a similar 2 1/2 story 'double' made a wooden version which was beyond unsafe. After convincing him of this, I got him to go into a joint purchase with a used 28' alumium extension ladder. We split it up, He took one piece and I took the other. I then bought two ladder hooks that wraps around the peak of the roof to attach to each section. We already had 32' extension ladders. Presto.

Frankly, I can't understand anyone that owns a home (and is able to use them) not having ladders (or at least access to them). Of course there are some exceptions, namely slate tile roofs and ones with even steeper slopes as many of the West Side have. I just consider it a necessity, same goes for owning a automotive floor jack and having a large selection of tools.

Anyway, can you mount a mast on the end of the house that would extend the antenna above the roof without actually going on the roof itself? At least it gets it outside where it should be. From a porch roof maybe?

(AFAIC: As far as I'm concerned)

My roof is on a 41 degree angle (10 3/4 to 12). The only way up there is with a roof ladder.
Frankly, I can't understand anyone that owns a home (and is able to use them) not having ladders (or at least access to them). I just consider it a necessity, same goes for owning a automotive floor jack and having a large selection of tools.
Anyway, can you mount a mast on the end of the house that would extend the antenna above the roof without actually going on the roof itself? At least it gets it outside where it should be. From a porch roof maybe?


I have ladders, floor jacks and plenty of tools but you'll still never see me on my roof. I really can't attach the antenna outdoors anyway. Keep in mind that it's home made and not suited to the elements. I'll have to make due with my antenna in the attic.

Based on the results I've seen with the 4221 I built, I really don't think getting reception without the dropouts is going to be a problem once I get it tweaked, amped and connected to the rotor. It performed great on the 1st floor with just one set attached (nearly full signal strength accross the board). Being up in the attic should yield better results if all things were equal but with all 5 sets feeding off of it now, I think it needs to be tweaked and have rotor access. At the very least, I need to try these changes before panicking. I may not pull in the Canadian stations but that's OK. I have about 250others DTV channels to choose from.

My base concern is the ability to watch ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX. I hope and plan to do much better than just these, but I'm pretty sure I can at least pull in those core channels. As for the DA-1018, I'm a phone call away from getting my hands on a brand new one but before I do, I wanted to ask you what makes them so desireable in your experience? I looked at the noise specs and the newer HDA-200 seems to be a cleaner amp as does the CM-7777. I know that specs are not always indicative of performance and you said you feel the DA-1018 was the best so what can you tell me about it vs the HDA-200 and vs the CM-7777?

I have tried that HDA200 per someone elses recomendation (against my better judgement) and it surely wasn't any better than the 1018. I don't like preamps for three reasons. Poor ability to deal with strong signals (it's assumed you have none), an active device out in the weather, out of reach and the in-line power supply two more fittings to deal with.

I really don't think any amp will work for you with the overload issue of Gilligans island, at least not untill those three analog stations go dark for good (which was suppose to be next week).

Since Channel 17 has begun simulcasting its 17 signal on 17.1 DirecTv has had incorrect data for 17.1 in their guide (They are still showing the National HD schedule). I have contacted WNED about this, but they say they have no control over what is in the guide. This does not seem right to me as they must have to provide SOME information to the guide services.

The question is, how does something like this get resolved?

If you have antennas and dont wanna climb WE DO and insured to do it. Having the antennas outside makes a huge difference at times.

On another note is anyone got the list of whose staying analog after the 17th and who is going? The only ones i know anything of is 23 and 4 from my buddy Clint
Rich

Since Channel 17 has begun simulcasting its 17 signal on 17.1 DirecTv has had incorrect data for 17.1 in their guide (They are still showing the National HD schedule). I have contacted WNED about this, but they say they have no control over what is in the guide. This does not seem right to me as they must have to provide SOME information to the guide services.

The question is, how does something like this get resolved?

The product that is wrong is controlled by DirecTV. You are a DirecTV customer. Call DirecTV and tell them their product is not correct.

DTV is being delayed. At least by WGRZ and WIVB.

according to new sources The only one still saying they are shutting of analog on the 17th is WUTV 29 That of course could change. All the rest are staying analog at least for awhile. And of course this will also affect ch 51's move to 23 digital as well as WNGS move to ch 7

Rich

WNGS's owner is broke. They're not transitioning any of their stations anyway. If there had been no delay, the stations would just go off the air on February 17.

- Trip

I have contacted WNED about this, but they say they have no control over what is in the guide. This does not seem right to me as they must have to provide SOME information to the guide services.
The question is, how does something like this get resolved?

In fact WNED does control this unless their locally generated schedule (for 17) is also always wrong. They need to get the DTV EPG provider (TMS?) up to date.

If you have antennas and dont wanna climb WE DO and insured to do it. Having the antennas outside makes a huge difference at times.
Rich

I have the tripod mount and all cables necessary. I would only need the physical mount and connect. What would that cost me? Nothing I'll hold you to, just give me a price range.

i dont discuss that on the forum. You can call me at 716-434-9216 or e-mail me at rwantsat@verizon.net
FYI we are apx 2 weeks deep in work at present.
Rich

[QUOTE=Trip in VA;15786769]WNGS's owner is broke. They're not transitioning any of their stations anyway. If there had been no delay, the stations would just go off the air on February 17.

My understanding is that RTN is broke And any ststions carrying them have either went independent Or in the case of WNGS they are now cxarrying THIS movie ntwk. I suspect they wil transition

My understanding is that RTN is broke And any ststions carrying them have either went independent Or in the case of WNGS they are now cxarrying THIS movie ntwk. I suspect they wil transition

Nope. RTN was sold, Equity (owner of WNGS) then broke off all ties with RTN and so WNGS went to This, but most RTN affiliates are still alive and well. I know; I have one at home and watch Battlestar Galactica every Saturday that I'm home. :)

- Trip

in the case of WNGS they are now cxarrying THIS movie ntwk. I suspect they wil transition

Yeah, WNGS is (nearly) history. They even made the BuffaloNews after they switched programming without telling TMS much to the bafflement of my in-laws.

Who still need that new antenna and now it's nearly spring. Wooo Hooo!

In fact WNED does control this unless their locally generated schedule (for 17) is also always wrong. They need to get the DTV EPG provider (TMS?) up to date.

Not necessarily.

DTV still needs to know what listing to display on that channel. DTV may still think that National PBS is showing.

You're paying DTV... then call DTV. It's their responsibility to fix on your behalf. It's not your job to track this down. Even if that means DTV calling WNED and having them fix their EPG provider.

call DTV. It's their responsibility to fix on your behalf. It's not your job to track this down. Even if that means DTV calling WNED and having them fix their EPG provider.

Good luck with that then.

I still suggest one do the most effective thing.

Does anyone here understand the full picture of what happens with EPG data?

What the station provides? What the distributing service (eg. TVGOS, zap2it) provides? Third parties? The flow between them?

I've noticed that sometimes the program name is the same on multiple sources and the descriptions are similar but not the same. To me this implies multiple sources - I can't believe a station would be telling TVGOS and zap2it different thing, would they?

Example:

Wed. Feb. 11 10:00pm WGRZ:

- my TVGOS data on my DTVpal DVR shows
"A baby is killed during the bombing of an Army recruitment center ...."

- on zap2it, it shows "An unconscious war widow and her lifeless infant are found in the rubble of a bombed army recruitment center ..."

- my cable company (rogers) says "An Army recruitment center is bombed..."

I wonder what's in WGRZ-DT's PSIP - something else again??

I have contacted WNED about this, but they say they have no control over what is in the guide. This does not seem right to me as they must have to provide SOME information to the guide services.All any station can do is supply listings. It's in the court of Macrovision, DirectTV, the local CATV MSO or whomever you are receiving the signal from to pass that alone.

That local station has no control over any of that.

Regarding what happens next week, stay tuned.

On another note, which I believe I already posted, WNED reported that an aggrement was reached between themselves and Macrovision to continue supplying TVGOS listings as they have been doing, but now through their digital channel. Lin Broadcasting (WIVB's owner) refused to do so and could care less . :mad:

Does anyone here understand the full picture of what happens with EPG data?
What the station provides? What the distributing service (eg. TVGOS, zap2it) provides?

Someone probably does. As far as I know there are two US providers, TMS* and TVG**. Some alternate products may still do screen scraping despite everyone's best effort to stop it. How the data is formatted in your EPG/IPG/APG/EIT seems arbitrary and is no doubt up to the vendor injecting the data (although you would expect it to be consistent within a single vendor product). It's worth noting that only the affiliate knows what they're scheduling (mostly) so if, for example, WNGS switches from RTN to This TV and neglects to tell TMS/DTV the DTV guide data will be wrong until WNGS gets around to informing the aggregator/provider.

*AKA zap2it
**AKA Gemstar or Macrovision

After, I sent my post last night, I tried a real time example so I could check PSIP too. On WNYO, 11:00pm to midnight last night, all 4 sources were different but meant the same thing.

Being new to TVGOS, I am already beginning to think this is going to be a nightmare - A saying it's in B's control, B saying it's in A's control. :mad:

I'm seeing gaps in TVGOS on my DTVpal DVR - maybe I'll trying both Macrovision and the stations itself and see what happens. I gather WNED is just a carrier and passive in the process (except for supplying it's own program information).

i dont discuss that on the forum. You can call me at 716-434-9216 or e-mail me at rwantsat@verizon.net
FYI we are apx 2 weeks deep in work at present.
Rich

;)I can certainly understand that Rich. In fact, it was probably in poor tatse for me to ask you to post that information here in the first place. I haven't even come close to giving up on keeping the setup in the attic yet but I'll keep your info on hand and if I can't get the reception I expect, I'll be in touch.
Thank you

Has anyone else experienced that Time Warner's QAM channels have changed? All the networks seem the same, but now I get a CBC which seems a stretched version and the 94.1 and 94.5 HD QAM channels which previously housed the Sabres games and HD Movie Previews respectively seem no more.. I did a few scans and searched all channels and I have no QAM Sabres home game tonight....anyone else?

Has anyone else experienced that Time Warner's QAM channels have changed? All the networks seem the same, but now I get a CBC which seems a stretched version and the 94.1 and 94.5 HD QAM channels which previously housed the Sabres games and HD Movie Previews respectively seem no more.. I did a few scans and searched all channels and I have no QAM Sabres home game tonight....anyone else?

Same problem here. No more clear qam feed on 94.x for anything

Has anyone else experienced that Time Warner's QAM channels have changed? Anyone else?

Yes -I was getting CBC and CTV on qam and I beleive HBO (temporarily) Now gone and WKBW is on 89.2 ??

Yes -I was getting CBC and CTV on qam and I beleive HBO (temporarily) Now gone and WKBW is on 89.2 ??

Just wondering which TW package you have?

The lifeline $9.64/month package?

I had a lot of audio drops in CSI last night as well as complete loss of signal for a few seconds -- both OTA and off the SAT.

Anyone else have WIVB problems?

Anyone have an idea of when TWC Buffalo will finally deliver the tuning adapter for Tivo users? Does TWC Buffalo have to be last for everything?

Just wondering which TW package you have?

The lifeline $9.64/month package?

I have digital cable now, but I was getting the locals b4 when I had just basic cable too! Channels 2-22

I have digital cable now, but I was getting the locals b4 when I had just basic cable too! Channels 2-22

I assume you mean you got the locals in digital before you switched to the digital cable!!??

(I think my parents are the only folks in WNY who don't get any digital with their basic package!!!!!)

So, has anyone compared the Hoverman antenna with the CM4221 to see which works better in our area? I built a 4221 copy which is very good but I'm wondering if the Hoverman might be better. Either one would would be attached to my rotor. Any comments?

[QUOTE=Trip in VA;15789281]Nope. RTN was sold, Equity (owner of WNGS) then broke off all ties with RTN and so WNGS went to This, but most RTN affiliates are still alive and well. I know; I have one at home and watch Battlestar Galactica every Saturday that I'm home. :)

I stand corrected on that. I have a FTA satellite receiver and i am now finally receiving RTN again on many affiliate stations around the country on Galxy 10 and Galaxy3r
Rich

2/16/09
USA HD, channel 758,
SCI FI HD, channel 759,
CNBC HD, channel 722,
Bravo HD (in all areas except Dunkirk), channel 754

2/24/09
AMC HD, channel 788.

2/24/09
WE HD on channel 779 and
FUSE HD on channel 778 will be added to the Variety Tier
IFC HD will be added on channel 755 to the Movies Tier

3/2/09
Bravo HD will be added in Dunkirk on channel 754.


3/24/09
CBS College Sports HD will be added on channel 776 of the Sports Tier

4/1/09
MLB HD channel 775.

Ron:

Do you have an opinion on the Hoverman antenna?

Does anyone here understand the full picture of what happens with EPG data?

What the station provides? What the distributing service (eg. TVGOS, zap2it) provides? Third parties? The flow between them?

I've noticed that sometimes the program name is the same on multiple sources and the descriptions are similar but not the same. To me this implies multiple sources - I can't believe a station would be telling TVGOS and zap2it different thing, would they?

Example:

Wed. Feb. 11 10:00pm WGRZ:

- my TVGOS data on my DTVpal DVR shows
"A baby is killed during the bombing of an Army recruitment center ...."

- on zap2it, it shows "An unconscious war widow and her lifeless infant are found in the rubble of a bombed army recruitment center ..."

- my cable company (rogers) says "An Army recruitment center is bombed..."

I wonder what's in WGRZ-DT's PSIP - something else again??

The hardware you're viewing the data on can also affect things.

I used to compare an old TiVo to an old ReplayTV... both which got data from TMS/Zap2It but the show desscriptions were different.

ReplayTV received "abbreviated" show descriptions from TMS. TiVo received "full" versions.

Same data source. Pretty much the same data. But different.

Today is the big day for analog shutoffs.
Anybody know if any buffalo stations are going to stay analog until June ?

Today is the big day for analog shutoffs.
Anybody know if any buffalo stations are going to stay analog until June ?

Most are.

It's easier to say that WUTV et.al. and WKBW requested permission to terminate analog as of today. I don't have ready access to OTA analog so I can't verify.

Today is the big day for analog shutoffs.
Anybody know if any buffalo stations are going to stay analog until June ?

http://www.fcc.gov/021609AttachmentA.pdf

Only WUTV.

Anyone have an idea of when TWC Buffalo will finally deliver the tuning adapter for Tivo users? Does TWC Buffalo have to be last for everything?

They have been mailed out.

Did you sign up for one?

Today is the big day for analog shutoffs.
Anybody know if any buffalo stations are going to stay analog until June ?

I just tried all the analog stations. 29 is showing instructions for converting to DTV. Instructions are in English, Spanish & Sign language. All other stations seem to be showing normal broadcasts.

They have been mailed out.

Did you sign up for one?

I haven't been following TW's SDV tuning adapter lately. How much are they charging for it? Can anyone get one?

Does TW Buffalo allow self installs of CableCARDs yet? Do they offer Multi-stream cards? How much do they charge for both single and multi-stream cards? Any discount for two single-stream ones?

So, has anyone compared the Hoverman antenna with the CM4221 to see which works better in our area? I built a 4221 copy which is very good but I'm wondering if the Hoverman might be better. Either one would would be attached to my rotor. Any comments?

My hoverman outperformed my 4221 in a side-by-side test. But I didn't build it to withstand the winter so it's inside now and the 4221 is up on the mast.

On another topic - 17.1/ 17.2 going to be the same programming now like 29.1 / 29.2 and 49.1/49.2? If so, I may as well remove 17.2 from the channel lineup.

I haven't been following TW's SDV tuning adapter lately. How much are they charging for it? Can anyone get one?

Does TW Buffalo allow self installs of CableCARDs yet? Do they offer Multi-stream cards? How much do they charge for both single and multi-stream cards? Any discount for two single-stream ones?

Its free. You have to have Cable Cards from TWC and a Tivo 3 or Tivo HD.

No Self Installs, No M Cards, 2.99 each No discounts.

Business as usual. NTSC is alive and well. :mad:

On the CATV front, since TW has played 'Musical channels' again, I did rescans of 3 out of 4 of my tuners and updated my list. Attached are current lists of 'in the clear' digital TV and MusicChoice channels in a .doc form since formatting would be lost if I posted it directly.
Take note, these are the physical channel number, except for the 'big 4' that are misidentified in most tuners as channel '1'.
Also take notice of 74.3 (Erie PBS), 107.5 (CFTO) & 107.7 (CBLT).

Business as usual. NTSC is alive and well. :mad:

On the CATV front, since TW has played 'Musical channels' again, I did rescans of 3 out of 4 of my tuners and updated my list. Attached are current lists of 'in the clear' digital TV and MusicChoice channels in a .doc form since formatting would be lost if I posted it directly.

Take note these are the physical channel number, except for the 'big 4' that are misidentified as channel '1'.
Also take notice of 74.3 (Erie PBS), 107.5 (CFTO) & 107.7 (CBLT).

So they did remove MSG? :( So no more in-the-clear Sabres home games in HD?

Not as far as I know. They just moved it, but i don't know which preview channel yet since I discovered it wasn't where it has been last week. Which is what prompted me to do all of this in the first place.
BTW, the analog listings are only for the city of Buffalo, not the suburbs.

My hoverman outperformed my 4221 in a side-by-side test. But I didn't build it to withstand the winter so it's inside now and the 4221 is up on the mast.

Hi Chico,
Would you say that the Hoverman outperformed the 4221 by a large margin? Was it pulling in stations that the 4221 could not? I'm just trying to get a feel for whether or not building a Hoverman to replace my home made 4221 is justified. Thanks for the reply.

thanks - I've been trying to figure out what was on 74.3 for the last week.

I remember reading in the Erie Pa. thread about some of the local ststions NOT being carried on their TW cable. Apparently there was a backlash and TW gave in. My guess is they added it back to their lineup and somehow it was also added here. No idea how the two systems communicate with each other. Since there is no need to carry it here, I can only assume it is just another one of their many 'glitches' (for lack of a better term).

I'm still wondering why CFTO & CBLT are being carried on digital channels considering it is the analog channel that is being shown. I detected 'ghosts' on CBLT when I first saw it. Of course, that makes it a first. Digital ghosts. :p

Hi Chico,
Would you say that the Hoverman outperformed the 4221 by a large margin? Was it pulling in stations that the 4221 could not? I'm just trying to get a feel for whether or not building a Hoverman to replace my home made 4221 is justified. Thanks for the reply.

It didn't get me any more stations from my location (I get all I can expect with my 4221), but the ones I got were typically stronger (say about 10%).

Yes -I was getting CBC and CTV on qam and I beleive HBO (temporarily) Now gone and WKBW is on 89.2 ??

These are what I just looked through for Niagara County... I omitted several music stations...still no Sabres....

121 Dish Network
117.12 Government Stuff
117.11 WNED (Think Bright) Looks HD
117.3 TV Guide (Clear)
113.10 CTV (Analog)
112.116 Music - Kidz Only
112.113 Music - Rock
112.100 Music - Musicals?
112.99 Music - 90's
112.98 Music - 80's
112.95 Music - Disco
112.94 Music - Disco (Abba)
112.93 Music - Hitlist
111.4 TBS (HD?)
109.54 Familyland
107.11 MyTV
107.8 CBC (Analog)
106.2 MyTV HD
106.1 Fox HD
89.3 ABC HD
89.1 WNED HD
88.2 CBS HD
88.1 NBC HD
87.21 Bridges
86.19 Talk Radio
86.18 Talk Radio
86.17 Talk Radio
86.16 Talk Radio
86.15 Talk Radio
86.14 Talk Radio
86.7 ESPN U
84.72 Music - Easy Listening
84.71 Music - Pop
84.70 Music - Hair Rock?
84.69 Music - Rock (BOC etc)
84.67 Music - Adult Alternative (Natalie Merchant)
84.65 Music - Hip hop
84.64 Music - R&B Classic
84.61 Music - R&B Hits
84.60 Music - Blues
84.57 Music - Top 40
84.56 Music - Rock
84.53 HD Previews
79.1371 HD Previews

My WUTV signal is gone. I had it tues and wed for Idol. But Terminator didn't record on my tivo last nite due to no signal. And it's still out a day later. Anyone else? Did something change on their end?

Looks like zap2it isn't aware that they changed to frequency 14.

They only had what? A year or more of notification?! Stupid...

74.2 for the Sabres home games. ;)

My WUTV signal is gone.

I had to rescan on my HR10 which added WUTV-HD (was WUTVDT) and WUTV-SD (was WUTVDT2). In my case I'm sure it was a PSIP issue which seems to be a chronic TiVo problem.

I had to rescan on my HR10 which added WUTV-HD (was WUTVDT) and WUTV-SD (was WUTVDT2). In my case I'm sure it was a PSIP issue which seems to be a chronic TiVo problem.

I did a re-scan and now I have

WUTV-DT 29-1 Frequency 29 with guide data and no signal.

WUTV-HD 29-1 Frequency 14 with signal but no guide data.

I called TiVo this morning to report the problem.

Are any of you guys using the digital TVGOS data sent from WNED? If so, what channels are you seeing TVGOS data on your program guide?

I get all the US "-01"s, but the only subchannels I get data for are for WNED itself. The only Canadian channel I get TVGOS data for is CBC 005-01 and there's no details.

Just wondering if the data is really that incomplete or my DTVpal DVR isn't handling it? Thanks!

It didn't get me any more stations from my location (I get all I can expect with my 4221), but the ones I got were typically stronger (say about 10%).

That sounds like a build I may explore just for fun and maybe I'll pick up a bit of signal strength along the way.

Thanks for the update.

Are any of you guys using the digital TVGOS data sent from WNED? If so, what channels are you seeing TVGOS data on your program guide?

I get all the US "-01"s, but the only subchannels I get data for are for WNED itself. The only Canadian channel I get TVGOS data for is CBC 005-01 and there's no details.

Just wondering if the data is really that incomplete or my DTVpal DVR isn't handling it? Thanks!

I get no TVGOS at all on my DVR but it may be because of the analog tuner regardless of who, if anyone is broadcasting TVGOS. I don't think WNED has broadcast the signal for months now but I could be wrong. I was told that WIVB is supposed to be broadcasting the signal now per the agreement Macrovision has with CBS. I've contacted WIVB and asked for an update as to if and/or when they may broadcast the guide. I'll post the reply once they get back to me. Either way, I think those of us who have analog tuners (Panny EH55) may need to get the Pal+ converters to access TVGOS. I'm not sure how that will work with an HD D* receiver in the mix so if anyone has an HD receiver (locals via OTA) and an HD converter before thier analog DVR, I'd like to hear how the setup works with what amounts to 2 HD tuners. Which one is the dominant tuner that the DVR blaster will signal to "tune to" when a recording is programmed using the guide? I would think the final tuner in the setup (which in my case would be the D* receiver) will still bark out orders to the DVR during programmed recording.

Are any of you guys using the digital TVGOS data sent from WNED?AFAIK, WNED hasn't started transmitting TVGOS data on 43.1 yet unless you know something different. I just did a change and only analog (17) was registering.

videobruce

WNED-DT is now transmitting the digital TVGOS data. I don't know what tuner you are using for the TVGOS, but it must be capable of the digital data stream.

See this:

http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=tvgos

Also see post #130 in the DTV Pal (EchoStar TR-50) OTA DVR topic at the other (ahem Canadian) forum you are a member of ;) - don't want to post a direct link because I think it is against the rules here at AVS.

cheers

The good people at WNED confirmed that they are sending digital TVGOS (for a while us DTVpal DVR users were wondering why the icon lit up when WIVB said it wasn't them). I think I erred when I said I got CBLT-DT - I now think that data is from PSIP.

So it's only the US "-01"s for me plus the WNED subchannels I get data for via TVGOS.

I'm sure I've asked this before, but it's worth another shot. Anyone in the area using OTA with a computer-based receiver and 32-bit Windows who'd be willing to spare a few minutes to help me with something? I can use someone with that gear to confirm TVGOS at the very least.

- Trip

i use a pinnacle hd mini stick with both my vista and xp computers, Both have 32 bis os. I do get the guide data on some channels but not all.

i use a pinnacle hd mini stick with both my vista and xp computers, Both have 32 bis os. I do get the guide data on some channels but not all.

If you're willing to spare a few minutes, I'm including some instructions for what I'm looking for.

Alright, start by getting this:

http://www.tsreader.com/tsreader/TSReaderLite2.8.46e.exe

Install it, and when it runs for the first time, choose the ATSCBDASource driver. Then enter the physical channel number (43 in the case of WNED) and it will bring up a screen full of assorted data. (If it interests you, I can explain as much of it as I can to you, just let me know.) Let it settle for 10-20 seconds, ensure no more than 100 Continuity errors pop up, then go to Export > HTML Export. In the window that comes up, check all of the boxes at the bottom except for "EIT" and "Thumbnails" as I don't need that data. Then give it a name, save it, close the program.

Repeat for everything you receive, then send the whole lot to me via e-mail attachment, webmaster at rabbitears dot info.

If this is too much work or too much of a time sink for you, then just let me know and don't worry yourself over it; I can always find someone else. I'd just like to have the data to confirm bitrates and TVGOS and other assorted goodies.

Thanks. =)

- Trip

99gecko; You got the drop on me. I did report WNED was going to do so, but surely didn't expect it this soon, especially with the analog shutdown being delayed. I never had much luch 'forceing host channels' so I haven't tried it on either device.
BTW, that 'other' forum is a sore subject due to one or two certain 'heavy handed' individuals that refused to talk about certain 'issues'. :mad:

Trip in VA; I orginally planned to get a USB digital tuner with the intention of using TS Reader, but just haven'y gotten around to it. I have a couple of outstsnding issues I have been working on for months and haven't solved. Coupled with other distractions that keep comming up only delays the project. :(

videobruce,
Actually I guess it was Trip in VA that got the drop on you. The info I got likely originated from his site.
Trip, great site by the way. :) I'm sending you a PM.

videobruce,
Actually I guess it was Trip in VA that got the drop on you. The info I got likely originated from his site.
Trip, great site by the way. :) I'm sending you a PM.

Glad you enjoy it! :D

I got an e-mail from someone telling me they were getting TVGOS from WNED-DT. That's where I got my data.

- Trip

99gecko; When did you first hear about it? I reported the aggreement back on the 11th when I talked to them the previous week, but wasn't told they were up and running. I never expected to see anything for some time so I didn't make a big deal of it. Too much speculation here.
You have a PM.

Anyone else getting AMC-HD and WE-HD

Just showed up yesterday

Are any of you guys using the digital TVGOS data sent from WNED? If so, what channels are you seeing TVGOS data on your program guide?

I get all the US "-01"s, but the only subchannels I get data for are for WNED itself. The only Canadian channel I get TVGOS data for is CBC 005-01 and there's no details.

Just wondering if the data is really that incomplete or my DTVpal DVR isn't handling it? Thanks!


Does this TVGOS really work. I have it on my Sony tv. I've been waiting for guide listings 4 more than a week! Is it really that slow? The instructions do say to leave the tv off for 24 hours. Is that the key- do you have to leave the set off for 24 consecutive hours?

Yes it does work, but things have been in transistion for that past year or so, especially the past few months.
It can take up to 48 hours to populate, usually 8 to 12 hours. First the clock gets set, then the system upgrades one level at a time. There are two lewvels depending on what the base firmware is (depending on how old the device is).
I haven't been able to 'force' WNED's digital channel on my Sony DVR yet.
I haven't tried it on my Mits TV since I'm using CFTO analog as a host for the Canadian listings.

looks like WUTV 29 UHF analog is off the air

Golly! Looks like your right. :eek:
One down, two to go. :D

Funny, WNYO analog 49 is still up.

Yes it does work,

Yes, but does it work well? I've been waiting for days now. It still has yet to display any listings. Does the service have to communicate w/ only 1 station broadcasting the signal to get all of your listings? Who besides WNED uses TVGOS? On another topic: Is it not uncommon for channels to look better on an HDTV via TWC - digital cable connected via HDMI when compared to OTA connected via standard RF? There is a visible difference !
I have a Sony kdl-32xbr6

Usually,
Something is wrong, you should get some results in 8-12 hours,
Only one station can be a 'host',
As stated, CFTO (analog only) and WXXI in Rochester (AFAIK),channels to look better on an HDTV via TWC - digital cable connected via HDMI when compared to OTA connected via standard RF?Cable look better than OTA??? :eek: Third Tuesday of next week.
The additional compression/processing by a CATV companies plant doesn't seem to degrade the image noticeably. If there were test signals available I'm sure I could tell the difference, but overall (as much as I hate to say) the local OTA channles on TWC look good.

Mind you, I'm only talking about local OTA stations, not some of the more highly compressed so called "HD" services TWC offers. I will also add, since I can't do a side by side, there is the possibility of some error in the above statements. AB'ing audio speakers is fairly easy, doing the same by switching RF inputs isn't. ;)

Have you looked at the TVGOS diagonstic screen yet?
Is the clock set?
Does the 'Listings' screen show "No data for this screen"?

74.2 for the Sabres home games. ;)

Is this for real? I did not see anything on 74.xxx in north towns for last home game. picking up locals and bunch of other stuff using HDHR, but nothing on 74

anyone pick up last game vs habs in clear?

Have you looked at the TVGOS diagonstic screen yet?
Is the clock set?
Does the 'Listings' screen show "No data for this screen"?

The only thing done is the clock set - search for tv stations and search for channel lineup is in progress- and have been for 5+ days. Off and on I've seen the tv station search say done but then goes back to in progress. For TWC digital cable the p/q i'm talking overall look of the signal being broadcast looks better in my oppinion than ota - Example WIVB and WUTV!

Is this for real?Yep, watched the whole game last night. ;)
Your tuner may ID it as channel '0'. 74.2 is the actual FCC assigned physical channel number per my post last week of 'in the clear' channel numbers.

jimdoo; Is there a STB (cable box)? If so, that is the problem. If not, is analog channel three's picture fairly clean (not noisey)? I assume that is WNED for you.
Is there, or can there be a external antenna connected? Does the set have 2 RF inputs?

Have you looked at the diagonstic screens??

Yes, i've looked at the diagnostic screens- looks ok to me. There is only 1 rf connector there is the digital cable box connected to the set but no on the rf - I only have the ota antenna connected by rf - i'll check for analog 3 p/q

You do mean analog 17 right? Ch. 3 is twc's assignment for wned. As for analog 17, fine pic on that station no noise - audio or video

STB to HDMI in and external antenna to RF in, correct?

Host channel would be through the RF inpuit, not the HDMI. TVGOS has to be using the TV's internal tuner which means using analog 17 or digital 43.1. It need the data from the VBI of a analog signal or the data stream from a digital channel. I don't know if TWC is passing ALL the data from WNED's digital channel or not. Some cable systems strip some data from analog channels, but it hasn't been the case here.
You need a halfway decent signal for the host channel which should be no problem. TVGOS has to be setup telling it that you are using an antenna on the RF input and a cable box.

Since I never did the cable box setup, I can't say how that is done exactly.

Forget about PQ on cable ch. 3. No issue.

Diagnostics screens says host channel is 1: 43-0 - That normal?

I would assume it should be 43.1, but since I haven't gotten that far yet, I can't say for sure.
Try the thread for that TV.

Actually the vbi channel is 1: 43.0 - the host channel says none - Is that the problem?

43.0 should indicate an analog channel. I can only assume it is a CATV channel. Do you know if "1:" is OTA or CATV?
The concern is the host channel is blank.

Do a reset, use 147412356 (or 653214741) after you go to the setup screen (as you do to enter the diag. menu). Leave the set off for at least 12-24 hours (you can fire it up to check once in a while for a few minutes, but if a d/l was in progress, that might delay things).

What are the two entries on the 'System Info' pqage for the version number (2nd line)?

Anyone else seeing Sleuth TV on TW's QAM (I'm in tonawanda) - just looked at the programming listing on the TW site and there is no mention of it.

Channel number?
In the clear?

jimdoo; FWIW, I'm having problems getting TVGOPS on my Mits to re-establish itself. My DVR is good, but still getting data from analog 17.

It's in the clear - don't quote me but I think I am seeing it on 85.1 - With 85.2 through 85.7 being the radio stations they have in the clear (not music choice)

EDIT: actually I am seeing it on 84.1 - the rest of 84.xxx is the music choice. good channel if you like JAG and Nash Bridges...

If I understand this correctly, analog 17 will be shutdown in 3 weeks.

.... if you want to watch shows originating from WNED after the station converts (on April 1, 2009) or after all U.S. stations convert (by June 12, 2009) ....

http://www.wned.org/Features/DigConv_Canada/default.asp

I would make the same statement after reading that. More good news.
Two down, one to go. ;)

Hello WIVB, join the club, shut down analog 23.

23 and 49 - why didn't 49 shut down analog w/ WUTV?

The three analog that have been a pain in my ..... are 17, 23 & 29.
49 is out in east farmers bum f*ck which is no issue.
There are separate issues with WNYO (analog 49, digital 34.1) concerning Canada.

Anyway, any update on your TVGOS? What model TV is it?
BTW, I just discovered there is no TVGOS data on cable ch. 3.

23 and 49 - why didn't 49 shut down analog w/ WUTV?

Probably because the DT-34 signal is highly directional to protect a digital allotment in Peterborough. This is actually why WNYO-DT has petitioned to relocate to DT-29.

- Trip

Anyway, any update on your TVGOS? What model TV is it? BTW, I just discovered there is no TVGOS data on cable ch. 3.

NO! Search for time and search for stations w/ tv guide data says done - other steps are still in progress. The diagnostics screen still says - host channel none - how do I force analog 17 to be the host channel?

I am having the hardest time with 2.1 and my MyHD MDP-130 card! I have a securely mounted roof antenna with a preamp. For me 2,4, and 7 are all about the same distance. But only 2 has the problems. 4 and 7 are actually farther away than 2 - but only 2 cuts out. The TV reports the signal as 84%; MyHD has about the same, except when it cuts out - all the time. Is anyone else having issues with WGRZ or do I need a DB8 sized antenna? (Right now it's a DB4.)

This is actually why WNYO-DT has petitioned to relocate to DT-29.That apparently fell by the wayside, at least for the time being. CBLN (analog 56) in Kitchner has been allocated ch. 29 for their post transistion channel.
Canada doesn't want the grandfathered coverage of WUTV and WNLO (formerly WNED's orignal allocation) that spills into their 'airspace' anymore. Of all the US stations, those two have the largest footprint on the other side of the pond.

Apparently the FCC doesn't know what the term 'grandfathered' means. :rolleyes:

NerdWithNoLife;
1. Where exactly are you?
2. Are referring to ch. 33.1, 39.1 & 38.1? The days of referring to "2, 4 & 7" are long gone.

2. Are referring to ch. 33.1, 39.1 & 38.1? The days of referring to "2, 4 & 7" are long gone.

I must disagree with this statement. As long as the stations continue mapping to 2-1, 4-1, and 7-1 (and you'll be prying those numbers from their cold, dead hands), they will be known as 2, 4, and 7.

- Trip

Bruce,

Here's my tvgos diag screen

ok - how do you post a pic?

Bruce,

Here's my tvgos diag screen

136599

As long as the stations continue mapping to 2-1, 4-1, and 7-1 (and you'll be prying those numbers from their cold, dead hands), they will be known as 2, 4, and 7.Only to ones that don't know the difference between the physical and that foolish virtual channel number. eg: Joe Average.

jimdoo; That's V9. I haven't seen any screen shots of that version. Just about of the posts I have read deal with devices using V8 (as both of my devices have) or before.
The screen next to that (toggle left or right), can you post that?

There is NO VBI data shown tyhrough what is called the "G* test" off of 43.1, only ch. 17 which will go dark next month. TWC cable 3 is now using WNED's 43.2 digital signal for their feed. There is no data there either. Only CFTO's feed on cable 12. What I don't understand is why these DTVPal CECB's are working. I doubt they are just getting the PSID data from each indivial station what I have seen from setting two of them up over a 3 week period of time. I never had either box long enough to see more than what the initial download showed.

Can you do what is called a "G* test" and post a screen shot (with your TV on 43.1)? Then could/would also do the same test on analog 17 and analog 9 (CFTO)? The 9 digit number is: 971397135 (should be the same code for V9 as it is for V8).

here you go:

136771

136772

136773

Gee, that was quick.
No, I meant the 'System Info' screen, also the 'Clocks 2' screen.
You can "attach" images right in your post instead of having them hosted elsewhere. Use the "Manage attachments" box below the text window.

Only to ones that don't know the difference between the physical and that foolish virtual channel number. eg: Joe Average.

Whenever I talk to people, I always use the virtual channel number as it's much less confusing. I disagree that it's foolish, but arguing about it is pointless as I've done it multiple times and it never goes anywhere. :D

There is NO VBI data shown tyhrough what is called the "G* test" off of 43.1, only ch. 17 which will go dark next month. TWC cable 3 is now using WNED's 43.2 digital signal for their feed. There is no data there either. Only CFTO's feed on cable 12. What I don't understand is why these DTVPal CECB's are working. I doubt they are just getting the PSID data from each indivial station what I have seen from setting two of them up over a 3 week period of time. I never had either box long enough to see more than what the initial download showed.

I've been told that the new TVGOS does not use VBI data. According to the TSReader data I got, they do have the TVGOS data attached to 17-2, the SD subchannel. This is counter to every other station I've seen, which has it in the xx-1 feed.

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/ny-buf/71928-0_0.htm

I admit I don't understand TVGOS very well, so if I'm completely ignorant, feel free to just ignore me. :D

- Trip

I've been told that the new TVGOS does not use VBI data.ATSC (and QAM) channels do not have a VBI. What I don't know is; what Gemstar/Macrovision calls their "VBI" tests, if that is suppose to show TVGOS packet data no matter where it comes from or just packet data in the VBI.According to the TSReader data I got, they do have the TVGOS data attached to 17-2, the SD subchannel. This is counter to every other station I've seen, which has it in the xx-1 feed.Interesting. Note my previous post regarding Time Warrners recent change for rebroadcast of WNED analog on their cable system. They are now using WNED 43.2 as the source, since WNED analog 17 is due to go dark 4/1.

Attached are G tests from both channels from my upgraded firmware Mits DLP (just happened to snap the photos at the same elaspsed time). The Sony DVR AFAIK, whould show the same results.

WNYO-DT has now filed with the FCC seeking to relocate to DT-49.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6520200954

- Trip

Is this Christmas time in June or what? :eek: Only three to deal with now after 6/12?

I'm sure IC (Industry Canada) will find something wrong with it. :rolleyes:

It's time the FCC used a "reasonableness" check against Industry Canada concerns and start serving it's own contituents - the broadcasters and viewers in WNY!

A lot of these transitional DTV frequencies IC are trying to protect are:

a) not likely to be ever be used
b) if used, will have wattage similar to that of a hair dryer
c) very distant from Buffalo

BTW, the DTV deadline in Canada is set for Aug 31, 2011 (29 1/2 months from now). With a few exceptions, generally the transition frequencies will be abandoned except for those analog station in VHF-Lo and UHF 52 to 69. Very few broadcasters have even started using their transitional DTV channel (Toronto is a major exception) and many are expected to flashcut at the deadline, assuming they don't go bankrupt before then.

It's time the FCC used a "reasonableness" check against Industry Canada concerns and start serving it's own contituentsThere might be more too this then what meets the eye.if used, will have wattage similar to that of a hair dryere.g.: CITY ch. 53's output? :mad:BTW, the DTV deadline in Canada is set for Aug 31, 2011 I was just referring to our date. At least the latest one.

How is everyone receiving analog 49 in Ontario now?

I noticed today that WGRZ was broadcasting their noon news in 16x9 with bars on the sides. I guess that they are gearing up for HD news.

Is any one having issues with 29 and 29-1 OTA? I lost it on one set. It comes in on the other set via my Tivo HD. I checked the signal strength via the Tivo and it was 58 for 29, all the rest were in the 85-95 range. I called a friend in Lockport who has a similar set up (Tivo HD OTA and Sony HD) and he also said he was registering a 58. Very odd because I am in NT and can see the 29 tower at night from my kitchen. Just wondering if anyone else was having problems.

Under the 'wonders never cease' department, I just finished running Macrovisions "G* tests" using both of my V8 TVGOS devices.

The Sony DVR with the orginal firmware does indeed pass. :eek:
The Mits DLP with the supposed upgraded firmware still fails. :mad:
WNED through TWC on 89.2 fails! :rolleyes:

Attachments;
WNED 43.1 OTA,
WNED 89.1 on TWC,
CFTO 9 OTA

Also, since TWC is now using WNED's digital channel for their analog channel 3, as of now, you won't be able to get TVGOS data using just cable unless you use CFTO cable 12 (or whatever channel it is on in your suburb). It did not matter if I choose 43.1, 43.2 or 43.3 even thought the data is on 43.2. All sub channels gave the same result.
Note the numbers in the 'Fixed' and 'Bad' collums for CFTO analog 9 OTA. This is using a UHF antenna with less than steller reception. The CATV test had close to no errors.

Currently, there is a major issue using Canadian listings through CFTO (not the fault of CFTO). They are all 'CATV only' with no option to manually switch the channel assignemnts to 'Air'. 521 'CATV' and 0 'Air' listings.

Again, I have to give my 'hats off' to WNED for providing the service in the past which was without issue (at least not locally) and for them to continue the service on their digital channel.

I will also add, I haven't forced the digital channel yet since I don't want to loose my guide in the DVR untill I can at least get the TV's guide to work properly.
I'm only assuming I will have listings when I do.

Yes, I'm finally getting some guide data too! No listings but atleast it built the table for channels. What did it for me is changing the Zip to 14201 as mentioned in "another" Forum up north!

WNED-TV will terminate its analog signal and become all-digital on April 16 -- about two months before the date mandated by the federal government-- in order to save about $32,000 in energy costs, President and CEO Don Boswell announced today.

The government set June 12 as the date all stations would have to switch over, which was an extension from the original Feb. 17 deadline. The date was changed based on reports that viewers nationwide weren't ready to make switch to all digital.

According to Boswell, "minimal consumer disruption" has been reported since many stations across the country ended their analog broadcasts a month ago. "While we know some U.S. and Canadian viewers haven't made the move to digital, we had to take these difficult economic times into consideration," he said in a press release.

"WNED and other local broadcasters have engaged in concerted educational campaigns to raise awareness of the digital transition; and currently, we feel that the majority of our audience is ready."

The move to all digital won't impact anyone who gets programs through cable, satellite or phone lines or has newer sets equipped to receive digital signals. However, viewers who still receive television signals from over-the-air via antenna on sets with non-digital tuners will have to get equipment to continue to get the stations they've been receiving on analog.

That was already posted;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16018525#post16018525
I might add, they will still have all three channels after their analog goes dark for reasons I previously stated.

Using a 14201 Zip Code for TVGOS, I was surprised to see these choices and more surprised at the 1st one. :confused:
This "Falls Earth Station" outfit is now called this;
http://www.campustelevideo.com/As of June 16, 2008 Falls Earth Station has merged with Campus TeleVideo, a leading provider of cable television services to colleges and universities across the country.The only thing, it's the wrong Zip Code. It should be 14213 since that is where 'Buff State' (Suny Buffalo) is located.
Someone needs to buy Macrovision a map. :rolleyes:
As far as Intertech, they can be anywhere.

The only thing, it's the wrong Zip Code. It should be 14213 since that is where 'Buff State' (Suny Buffalo) is located.

SUNY Buffalo is not Buff State. I don't know what they provide but the UB zip code is 14260 (Main St. campus).

SUNY Buffalo is not Buff State.According to this it is;
http://ask.buffalostate.edu/index.php?showtopic=1152the UB zip code is 14260 (Main St. campus)No it's not, it's Amherst;
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en&q=14260&sourceid=opera&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=c1vCSbPkJZSQmQfs27jhCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

Bruce,
What's the best zip code to use to match the lineup w/ mine in Niagara county? For what ever reason my real zip 14120 - kept hanging and saying no host channel in the diag screens. Yet, zip 14201 returned positive results in less than a few hours after turning the set off??

According to this it is;
http://ask.buffalostate.edu/index.php?showtopic=1152

I'm not sure what you're pointing at in that thread but the official title of UB (aka SUNY at Buffalo, aka SUNYAB) is [the] University at Buffalo, the State University of New York and the official name of Buff State is Buffalo State College. In the 20 years I've worked at UB I've never heard anyone refer to Buff State as SUNY Buffalo.

The UB style guide asserts:
university, reference to --
Acceptable:
University at Buffalo, the State University of New York;
UB;
State University of New York at Buffalo only in publications with an international audience;
University of Buffalo only when referring to private, pre-SUNY institution;
NEVER SUNY/Buffalo, SUNY at Buffalo

No it's not, it's Amherst

Ah, sometimes I fail to keep up with the times. The UB mail room used to be on the south campus which is 14214.

I'm not sure what you're pointing at in that threadThe name of the forum, top left corner. In the thread reference was made to a West side Zip Code which tells me it was Buff State.The UB mail room used to be on the south campusYea, alot of things use to be on the South Campus including names of buildings that were stolen along with those granite pillars just to give some kind of prestige to a suburban campus out in a swamp that should of never been built. :mad:

jimdoo; With the discovery of these 'Private' cable companies, your guess is as good as mine. These were never there in the past. All of the Canadian stations that are in range are on the list, but three of them don't have listings: CITY, CJMT & CKXT. Also, CICA only shows as a CATV channel if I remember correctly.
I'm using the "Falls Earth Station" choice, I didn't bother with that Intertech. It is obvious this will change in the next few months many times as it has in the past 6 months. We will just have to wait untill the dust settles.

I'm sure IC (Industry Canada) will find something wrong with it. :rolleyes:

BTW Bruce, if you haven't seen IC DTV transition plan, here it is:

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/vwapj/DTV_PLAN_Dec08-e.pdf/$file/DTV_PLAN_Dec08-e.pdf

You probably want to start at page 41 for the Ontario data.
Note that a lot of the DTV channels presented might never hit the airwaves. CTV and Global want out of the OTA business. Most of the others only plan on doing transitions in major cities (ie. those with NHL franchises :o )

So places in the Buffalo footprint, like Kitchener, London, Peterborough etc. might NEVER have OTA DTV so IC may be needlessly restricting the Buffalo broadcasters.

I hope the FCC takes this into consideration.

Anyone else having issue w/ channels 700 and 709? I'm on my 2nd box and they already ran a whole new cable run due to low signal? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

el gran chico; I already have a copy of that. Thanks.IC may be needlessly restricting the Buffalo broadcasters.I think they have been doing so for some time now. ;)

jimdoo; Those 'virtual' channels are all the locals, correct? If so, bypass the box and tune direct to whatever the TV renumbers them as.

Has anyone noticed that WUTV-dt signal is now much weaker to the north for over a week now.Signal % steady 63% while it used to be near 90%.WNYO-dt is showing the same 65% to 69% .All others the same 90 to 100 %. Have they made a change resently or reduced power or altered their antenna?WUTV signal should be stronger than WNYO,more power and less directional.

Change of seasons and/or weather.

Someone on another site spoke to them and confirmed that work was going on at the tower.I glad it was not permanent.Those to the south probably do not notice a power reduction because of that directional antenna.

So WUTV is already gone (Feb. 17), WNED is going (Apr. 16). I saw a crawl on WGRZ that they'l stay on to the bitter end (June 12) :rolleyes:

Anyone know if any of these are shutting prior to June 12?

WIVB
WKBW
WNLO
WNYO
WNYB

Of course WNGS and WPXJ are at the mercy of other stations on their new digital home.

So WUTV is already gone (Feb. 17), WNED is going (Apr. 16). I saw a crawl on WGRZ that they'l stay on to the bitter end (June 12) :rolleyes:

Anyone know if any of these are shutting prior to June 12?

WIVB
WKBW
WNLO
WNYO
WNYB

Of course WNGS and WPXJ are at the mercy of other stations on their new digital home.


As far as I know, they are all staying with the June 12th date. Watch for all kinds of new informational spots.

I saw a crawl on WKBW saying they will be on analog to June 12. I saw on aanother forum that WNYB will turn off analog on May 4.

That leaves just 3 to announce their plans.

WNGS off air? Broken?

I saw on another forum that the WKBW/WNGS agreement ended April 1.

4/1/09
MLB HD channel 775.

The Weather Channel, Nickelodeon, Comedy Central anytime soon?

I wonder when 17 analog goes if some may be able to routinely pick up 15.1 out of hamilton????

Not with that useless, holly-roller ch. 15 on the air on Gilligans Island.

Talked to someone in Orchard Park with an indoor antenna who was telling me she receives CBC Toronto, Montreal, channel 11 in Canada, etc.

Can't get 17 digital.....

Is that possible???

Montreal?? I kinda doubt it. 43.1 is alive and well here.

CHCH in Hamilton is 18.1. There are also 15.1 CKXT (translator I believe) & 35.1 CITS in Hamilton. All physical channel numbers. CKXT is analog 52 and 66.1 out of Toronto.

Montreal?? I kinda doubt it. 43.1 is alive and well here.

CHCH in Hamilton is 18.1. There are also 15.1 CKXT (translator I believe) & 35.1 CITS in Hamilton. All physical channel numbers. CKXT is analog 52 and 66.1 out of Toronto.

The way she was talking, I was wondering whether she had the most powerful indoor antenna ever made!!!??? ;)

Maybe her Montreal station is a closer station that uses the Montreal logo or something....

I just assumed those Toronto stations req'd an outdoor antenna if you lived down in OP!!!!

You would need on if you lived in Niagara county. ;)
She must of been watching a Montreal hockey game............

25.1 is a French channel. It broadcasts from Toronto, but a lot of its programming is sourced from Montreal (similar to most Canadian English television is sourced from Toronto even if you are on the west coast! That's one reason they hate us so much. :p)

Is analog 17 ceasing tonight at midnight? Wasn't sure if "April 16" means the 16th is the last day of analog or the first day without analog. :confused:

Holly sheep sh*t, no more analog 17! :D

Holly sheep sh*t, no more analog 17! :D

Another one bites the dust!

Looks as analog 26 is next.

Another no loss.

Looks like WGRZ is finally broadcasting in DD 5.1 as well.

Has anyone else been having issues with HD channels not being available with TWC?

I am in the city of Buffalo, near UB South campus and the past 2 weeks my HD service has been acting flakey.

Local HD channels 702,704, 707 etc come in fine anytime. But when trying to watch Discovery hd, animal planet or other HD channels its hit or miss.
Sometimes everything is fine, other times half or all of them don't work.
Tonight animal planet was working fine, then the video froze and I got a blue screen saying Initializing, please wait, then a black screen with the dreaded This channel not available message.

Do I need to setup a tech visit from twc? Or are they futzing around with the cable...

edit---
I just did a forced reset on the SA 8300 (Vol+ + Vol- + Info on the front of the box) and everything is working fine.
I didn't reset it sooner because it was taping a show on a channel that was coming in.
Anyone else have SDV or On Demand issues that are resolved when the box is rebooted?
the wife will get mad if we have to exchange boxes again. She had a 2 week backlog of shows on it.

Has anyone else been having issues with HD channels not being available with TWC?

edit---
I just did a forced reset on the SA 8300 (Vol+ + Vol- + Info on the front of the box) and everything is working fine.


I'll leave it to the pros to help you here, but before I dumped TW for DirecTV, I always found that erratic functioning of my SA8300 was fixed by a re-boot and always kicked myself for waiting too long.

Not to say there aren't problems that aren't cured by a re-boot......

Yes - I have similar problems also. On my box there is a recurring issue w/ channels 700 and 709 they are usually either not avail at all or garbled and unwatchable

That's one reason wht I don't like MSO provided STB's. I dumped TW for DirecTVI think I would take the glitches over the smear of DaveTV.

Any thoughts on the Moxi HD Dvr?

Price and no OTA (or some major item missing)? I'm think about going TiVoHD. Why I haven't is that sub cost. This wou;ld be a last resort if they can't get TVGOS up and running.

There are plenty of Sony 250's and some 500's on e-bay this past month. Must have the highest resale value in consumer electronics history. $350 for the common single HDD and over $600 for the dual HDD model. Well over 2 1/2 years with very few problems untill two weeks ago.

I know I have an s2 dt tivo - great product! I tried the HD tivo for about a day - Glitches galore and when I called Tivo - they said "yeah we know there are some known issue" I liked the ability to record hd ota and my cable but too many issues w/ that box now. Tivo community has lots of horror stories you can read about! I think eventually to get away from the sub cost I'll just go w/ a pc solution! I believe however even with that there are extra expenses if you want dual tuner capability and even more for dual tuner hd recording! Better get me at least TB hdd huh?

I wouldn't even consider buying something if it couldn't record and output HD.

Boy, D* keeps sounding better & better......

Boy, D* keeps sounding better & better......

Not if you don't like contracts! However i'm thinking of going back myself only because of Fios not being available for what seems to be an eternity. Maybe Fios will come to Niagara county in the next 5-6 years - :mad: Thats why I would give D* another shot even with a contract! Whats the on demand variety w/ D* or is there any choice?

Not if you don't like contracts! However i'm thinking of going back myself only because of Fios not being available for what seems to be an eternity. Maybe Fios will come to Niagara county in the next 5-6 years - :mad: Thats why I would give D* another shot even with a contract! Whats the on demand variety w/ D* or is there any choice?

Lots of On-Demand....maybe 50+ standard channels and Starz/Showtime, but you download stuff thru your ISP.....you need a router and a broadband connection.

The contract s..cks and cable has much better On-Demand, but almost everything else seems to have the edge with D*. (And I'm a 10+ year cable guy who eventually jumped because of HD content and cost!)

AND you can subscribe to one premium service (IE: Starz or HBO) and switch between them all, at will, and only pay for the monthly cost for one!!! :D

Lets not forget, for those that are contract weary you can get a dish and an hd receiver for around $200. No Contract and If you get sick of D* sell the gear and recoup a bit of the $$$ you put in to the gear.

No Contract and If you get sick of D* sell the gear and recoup a bit of the $$$ you put in to the gear.

How's this work? Tell me more!

I think I would take the glitches over the smear of DaveTV.
We were back in town this weekend visiting old friends who had switched from Dish Network to TWC HD over the winter. Talk about HD smear! We watched the Yankees on YESHD, the Mets on SNYHD and hockey on VSHD and all 3 were terrible with smear and pixelating. I couldn't believe how much worse it looked compared to what I'm used to with D* HD. And not to mention how many times the video would freeze for a second or 2 during the broadcasts. My friend asked me if I had that problem with D* and I said no, to which he replied with a grumble/grunt.

Got a letter from TWC dated April 27. It looks like TWC HDNet and HDNet Movies are being replaced by Smithsonian HD and RFDHD. HDNet is one of the best cable channels. Dan Rather Reports is what 60 minutes should be. HDNet World Report is one of a handful of high quality news programs. I'm sure Smithsonian HD isn't too bad but RFDHD?!?!? RFDHD is the rural television channel. Nothing against people who are interested in that type of programing, but I live in the suburbs!

Dish, Verizon, and DirectTV all have HDNet. I'm making this known to TWC.

In the buffalo news


04/29/09 03:09 PM
Classic TV station coming to Western New York
Story tools:


Jim Rockford and Thomas Magnum and other classic television characters will be back on television in Buffalo shortly.

Jim Toellner, general manager of WGRZ-TV, confirmed Wednesday that the Gannett-owned station has a deal with the Retro Television Network (RTN) to carry it on a third digital channel once the necessary equipment arrives.

Toellner added he doesn't have a date for the re-launch of RTN, which offers such classic TV shows as "The Rockford Files" and "Magnum, P.I." and was carried on WNGS-TV until late January.

Toellner added he also hasn't talked to Time Warner about getting its third channel -- Channel 2 and Weather Plus are the other channels -- on local cable. (With digital TV, each station has the capability of carrying four channels).

The RTN channel probably will begin airing over-the-air, though it won't make much sense for Gannett to carry it if it doesn't eventually get on cable.

RTN is owned by Henry Luken, a major Equity Broadcasting stockholder who bought RTN from Equity in June of 2008. Reached in Chattanooga, Tenn., Luken said the Buffalo market was the most interested in the return of RTN since it was dumped from WNGS-TV, the station that was recently purchased at an Equity auction by a religious station group based in Dallas, Texas.

"I got 15 telephone calls a day from Buffalo," said Luken. "Buffalo has had the most intense group of loyal viewers."

When RTN was carried on WNGS, WKBW-TV put the Springville station on its digital channel, 7.2. It was recently removed from 7.2, though WNGS is available via cable. It is expected to become a religious station once Daystar Television, its new owner, gets FCC approval for the purchase. On another digital note, Weather Plus, which was owned by NBC and its affiliates, is expected to be shutdown shortly. That will free Channel 2 to air substitute programming on the channel, which is carried on local cable here.

-- Alan Pergament

Got a letter from TWC dated April 27. It looks like TWC HDNet and HDNet Movies are being replaced by Smithsonian HD and RFDHD. HDNet is one of the best cable channels. Dan Rather Reports is what 60 minutes should be. HDNet World Report is one of a handful of high quality news programs. I'm sure Smithsonian HD isn't too bad but RFDHD?!?!? RFDHD is the rural television channel. Nothing against people who are interested in that type of programing, but I live in the suburbs!

Dish, Verizon, and DirectTV all have HDNet. I'm making this known to TWC.

FiOS also has HDNet. It is a pretty good channel.

TWC HDNet and HDNet Movies are being replaced by Smithsonian HD and RFDHD.Another reason not to pay extra for any digital package. FiOS also has HDNet. It is a pretty good channel. They both are, or should I say were when they both were 'in the clear' 2 years ago. :mad: With digital TV, each station has the capability of carrying four channelsYea, who cares about the lack of quality, just look at CATV and Satellite providers. :rolleyes:
NBC is the 2nd worse of the 5 major networks, quality wise, I guess some more degrading won't hurt.

If Lin TV was smart, they would replace that crap on WNLO 32.1 with RTN instead. Actually, 'this' would be a better choice.

NBC is the 2nd worse of the 5 major networks, quality wise
I used to think the same thing when I lived in Buffalo, but since we moved to the Binghamton area last summer, I now get WNBC HD out of NYC from D* since NBC is not available OTA here, and let me tell you how much better it looks than WGRZ looked. Maybe D* has a fiber hookup to WNBC compared to the OTA signal pickup they use in Buffalo (of course that wouldn't matter because WGRZ HD looked the same OTA or from D*), but man does WNBC look great! Easily tied with CBS and ABC for best HD PQ in my book now.

Please note I said NBC, not WGRZ. PBS and NBC have the lowest bitrates of the major five networks. There is also a difference between a affilate and a O&O, especially in a major city.

On the TVGOS issue, stay tuned. There might be hope. I have had a phone call from Macrovision. ;)

Please note I said NBC, not WGRZ. There is also a difference between a affilate and a O&O, especially in a major city.
You got that right!

How's this work? Tell me more!

Jim,
D* now allows you to sign up w/o contract You buy all equipment and limited to a couple receivers max.
However NO promotional crap/discounted programming free movies etc.
Sometimes thats not a bad thing. We have done numerous installs this way.Especially for people who dont wanna give they're credit history out.
Rich

I like the sound of that! What's the limit on receivers - I need 5 - I'm sure it's under that huh? Why the limit on equipment?

Looks as analog 26 is next.

Another no loss.

I'm nearly 100 miles from WNYB's transmitter and it is coming in way stronger now that they are on digital 26. Nearly as strong as WNED which is about 50 miles away with almost nothing but Lake Ontario between us.

I too am not crazy about their core programming but they've been showing some oldies shows at night (Lucy, Bonanza, Beverly Hillbillies). :D

I guess no one is picking up those Yankees, Mets, and Indians games that WNGS used to show?! :confused:

On a separate note; TWC is now sucessfully passing analog TVGOS data on cable ch. 3 which is OTA WNED 43.2 (17.2 if you perfer).
Still no success with WNED's digital feed though Macrovision reports no transmission problems. Macrovision is still working on it with me through several phone calls.

Are the following channels broadcasting over the air: WIVB 4.3, WKBW 7.3, WNLO 23.3? They are listed in the Buffalo News, but I can't get them with my antenna, what gives?

Sounds as a typo.

The only local station that has a 2nd sub channel is WNED (43.1, 43.2, 43.3). WIVB (39.1), WKBW (38.1) and WNLO (32.1) only have a main channel. WUTV (14.1, 14.2) and WNYO (34.1, 34.2) duplicate their main channel in SD on their 1st sub channel as does WNED on 43.2. WNGS and WPXJ won't be digital untill next month. WGRZ will be adding RTN (Retro Network) shortly as 33.3.

Confused?

BTW, welcome to the forums.

anyone know when 2-3 rtn will start broadcasting from wgrz??

http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/story/668733.html

Universal Sports replaces WeatherPlus on 2-2 on June 1.

- Trip

Anybody know when WNLO (THE CW) is going to be carried in HD by DirectTV?

I saw in the digitalhome dot ca OTA forum that WNYO-DT will indeed be reverting to channel 49. It doesn't seem to indicate whether this will happen at 11:59pm on June 12 or later (ie. live temporarily on 34 until they are ready).

WNYO HD can you please fix your stretched out MYTV HD programs.
The WWE looks terrible.

It is screwed up on 49-1, 49-2 and on Dishnetwork.

What makes you think it is WNYO? Have you looked at it directly?

45k miles just to watch a local station? :rolleyes:

Have you looked at it directly?


Well VB I know you are intellectually above any programs on WNYO but their prime time HD is really messed up.

Their local HD commericals and syndicated HD programs are perfect.

I was simply stating that thier SD feed to DN is also having problems.

http://www.buffalonews.com/entertainment/story/668733.html

Universal Sports replaces WeatherPlus on 2-2 on June 1.

- Trip

Nobody want to talk about this?? :confused: It sure looks better on 2-2 than it ever did when it was on 7-3.

i am waiting patiently for RTN to come to WGRZ on 2-3. No one has so far been able to confirm a date for the launch,

I now have TSreader set up on my PC! :cool: While watching the Buffalo stations' data, a few observations of note ....

- only WNYB is properly accounting for the leap second at the end of 2008 (gps_utc_offset = 15 in STT - system time table). All the others still use 14. I know, this is really nit-picking. ;)

- all of WIVB, WKBW, WNED, WNLO, and WNYB have system_time in STT that is more or less bang on. My Sharp Aquos flashes the new program name when it changes in PSIP and it occurs right at the time the new program starts of these 5 channels. Great job to these 5!

- WGRZ, WUTV, and WNYO - these guys vary from OFF to WAY OFF. WNYO is about 75 seconds ahead, WUTV is about 44 seconds ahead, while WGRZ is about 103 seconds behind actual time. Enough to make PSIP-time based recordings chop off the start or end of programs. :mad:

what kind of tv card are you using?

Not sure if I'm reading TVFool correctly....

I'm curious what happens on June 12....as far as I can tell, all the major local digital stations will stay where they are and analogs will simply end.

(IE: If you have a digital tuner and receive OTA now, nothing will be different, but I could be wrong......)

Am I close???

Well VB I know you are intellectually above any programs on WNYOBush Jr. is above that level. :rolleyes:
As I don't watch that service and you are the only one that is complaining, have you looked at it directly off of an antenna as in OTA? That was my question. As far as their "feed", doesn't these satellite companies have receive facilities for these 'locals'? WGRZ, WUTV, and WNYO - these guys vary from OFF to WAY OFF.I'm going to hear about this one.

Four days and three hours and counting. :D

I hear that analog 4 and 23 will shutdown at 9am Friday. Analog 2 will shutdown at 1pm. Analog 49 will be on until 11:59:59pm.

as far as I can tell, all the major local digital stations will stay where they are and analogs will simply end

Generally true, but if WNYO is reverting back to 49 for digital, you may need to rescan (I had to do this for WNYB on all 3 tuners I have). I'm still wondering what my tuners will do about WPXJ on physical 23 while WNLO is on virtual 23. :confused:

what kind of tv card are you using?

Hauppauge HVR-950q

I'm still wondering what my tuners will do about WPXJ on physical 23 while WNLO is on virtual 23. :confused:

Does that pose a conflict? The real frequency is still different ! The re-mapped station on 6/12 will be 51 for WPXJ I would assume.

RTV aka RTN 11 will be on live tomorrow on 2-3 as per buffalo news article.

Updated: 06/11/09 10:34 AM
RTV goes digital; WNGS takes hiatus

One digital TV station will be premiering and one analog TV station will be leaving the air temporarily Friday, the day of the nationwide digital conversion.

Channel 2 General Manager Jim Toellner said today that he plans to have the newly renamed RTV, the classic TV network formerly known as RTN, up and running on one of the station's digital channels on Friday.

RTV, which carries such programs as "The Rockford Files," "Magnum, P.I.," "Leave it to Beaver," "Wagon Train" and "Marcus Welby," will appear on digital channel Channel 2.3. It will not initially be carried on local cable, satellite services or Verizon's FiOS.

Meanwhile, WNGS-TV, where RTV was carried as RTN, has told Time Warner Cable that it will be ceasing broadcasting Friday but will return some time this summer after it completes its construction of its digital facility. The station is ceasing broadcasting because its analog signal won't operate Friday after the digital conversion starts.

WNGS primarily had been running a package of movies. TWC will keep WNGS on Channel 11 and allow it to run a crawl stating its plans. The station was recently sold by Equity Broadcasting to a religious broadcast group, Daystar Television Network.

WGRZ is testing their 2-1 feed on 2-3 WRGZ-SD.

The PQ on 2-3 is twice as good as 2-2.
2-2 looks like bad youtube.

for those with directv how long does it take for directv to update their system so i can download the 2-3 feed. I redownloaded my locals tonight and it did not give me 2-3 yet.

for those with directv how long does it take for directv to update their system so i can download the 2-3 feed. I redownloaded my locals tonight and it did not give me 2-3 yet.

What do you mean by "I redownloaded my locals tonight and it did not give me 2-3 yet."

Did you re-boot your receiver to update the guide?

Are you looking for the WGRZ subchannel? My understanding is that the satellite companies won't be supplying it.

Are you looking for the WGRZ subchannel? My understanding is that the satellite companies won't be supplying it.

Direct doesn't supply any other local sub-channels.

Direct doesn't supply any other local sub-channels.

Generally, only network affiliate subchannels (including Fox, CW, MyNetwork TV) get carried on satellite, and even then, not always... there's a lot of CW subchannels that don't get local-into-local, and even more MyNet subchannels that don't.

If RTV-then-RTN was on before, it was through its carriage on WNGS/67.

I believe WPXJ is up with three sub channels.... WGRZ 2 will have analog signal through 6/26.

i am not looking at getting 2-3 from the directv sat. The directv hr20 and all newer recievers get the local ota from typing in your local zip code. They do not scan for locals like every other atsc tuner does. You put in your zip then it downloads the local channels into your guide from the sat dish. You still need the antenna to recieve the broadcast.

The directv hr20 and all newer recievers get the local ota from typing in your local zip code.

If it's like the AM-21 then the data is there when it's there. When I added mine there was no population delay. I presumed that was because the data was already there like all the other channels I don't receive. I assume you checked the OTA editor.

The directv hr20 and all newer recievers get the local ota from typing in your local zip code.

FYI- I think the HR20 was the last to have OTA capabilities.

I have the HR21 and I'd have to get an AM-21 to pick up OTA stations and have them show up on my D* guide.

Who's getting WPXJ in Buffalo? I am not- tried w/ antenna pointed due east and in my regular position for all other buffalo locals - pretty much due south and get nothing- :mad:

Suprises galore.
No more 34.1 on Gilligans Island. I'm still waiting for the dust to settle.

Nothing on WPXJ here either.

I now have wpxj - I just cant get everything at once - I have to aim right at the tower and I cant get chch or cbc when aimed this way. I thought I would be lucky enough to get it off the side when aimed at TO - guess not. Decent programming so far!

Went on 49 about 9:30. Get in in Rochester now. Only had analog before...

I now have wpxj - I just cant get everything at once - I have to aim right at the tower and I cant get chch or cbc when aimed this way. I thought I would be lucky enough to get it off the side when aimed at TO - guess not. Decent programming so far!

Same here in Orchard Park. can't get TO and WPXJ at the same time. Can't get 49.1 and TO at the same time either. Where is the new 49.1 transmitter...somewhere south.

I think videobruce calls it east farmers bum fart - From the contours I've seen it's somewhere east of east aurora

Same here in Orchard Park. can't get TO and WPXJ at the same time. Can't get 49.1 and TO at the same time either. Where is the new 49.1 transmitter...somewhere south.

http://recnet.com/cdbs/goo_curves.php?data=42.783|78.458|198|376|DT|93255|49|0|4

- Trip

Anyone notice stronger reception of TO stations since the analog turnoff?

my cbc is normally at a 60% signal good days are at 70-75%, tonight it was at 95%. I will check tomorrow so i cant say if it is a fluke or not.

TO analogs are coming in good 4 me. CBC digital was booming in for me too last night too. I was getting CHCH and CTS off the back pointed at WPXJ ! I was hoping to get CTV after the analogs on GI shut down but no go :mad::mad: The way I see it us in Buffalo will never get CTV digital - they are only decreasing power after 8/2011 :mad: Some stations up north are significantly increasing power and some are obviously not !

Does anyone know if TWC in the area has the -M cable cards or if I'd have to get two of them.. at $7/mth total :( for the TivoHD?

I know this is OT but anyone else having TWC problems lately?

WTF does my POS TM box always get all pixely?! It happened on Monday with analog (after watching Weeds on SHO which was fine) and then today my 1 hour recording of True Blood was nothing but a pixelated mess.

Analog today is also all pixely. My feed that's STB-less is also ******** than usual today with TLC having all sorts of lines thru it.

Do people actually pay for this absolutely ****** service? (I don't, it's included in my rent) Why does this randomly happen sometime and how can I solve it? If I actually paid for them I'd be on the phone with them every day with some issue. They're HORRIBLE!


HBO OnDemand seems to be fine (so it's not necessarily a bandwidth / strength issue) however, True Blood is not available yet there.

MY cbc is booming again. This afternoon the signal was 70% tonight at 11pm i am at 95%

The way I see it us in Buffalo will never get CTV digital - they are only decreasing power after 8/2011 :mad: Some stations up north are significantly increasing power and some are obviously not !

CTV will revert to ch. 9 and CHCH to ch.11 after 8/2011. Both will decrease power but that may be still ok for high VHF.

I think videobruce calls it east farmers bum fart - From the contours I've seen it's somewhere east of east auroraIt's right over the county line in Wyoming county off Rt. 20.The way I see it us in Buffalo will never get CTV digital - they are only decreasing power after 8/2011Around a half a dozen times each year I will loose CFTO, but only for an hour or so at worse. 2011 is a ways off. How knows what will happen then.

If anyone still has problems with receiving WNYO from Pavilion, do a full rescan of your tuner. Because of the conflicting channel numbers (virtual and physical) apparently many tuners get confused between physical channel 23 and virtual 23. It didn't come to me untill I stepped back and looked at the whole picture. Entering in 23.1 kepted on bringing me back to WNLO on 32.1.

I wonder what will happen with the allocation of VHF channel seven with WNGS going belly up?