Other than one random person adding it to Wikipedia, there has been absolutely zero about it from anywhere, let alone anywhere reputable.

- Trip

Other than one random person adding it to Wikipedia, there has been absolutely zero about it from anywhere, let alone anywhere reputable.

- Trip

Hi:

I was just searching for one other link that I can't find now that mentioned it also. If I find it i'll post it. I certainly don't want to mislead anybody.

edit: ok I found it but it's from wiki as well. Through a site called asnwers.com. Here it is

http://www.answers.com/topic/nexstar-broadcasting-group-inc

Anyways I guess don't your hopes up to high.

I've seen things like this pop up on Wikipedia lately and I gave up on it. Some moron keeps saying This TV is coming to WOLO 25-4 in Columbia SC. I know the Director of Engineering there on a first name basis, had him check with his programming people, and they don't have the contract for it (and were able to tell me who actually did). But, despite my removing it, it found its way back in. So, screw it.

- Trip

I've seen things like this pop up on Wikipedia lately and I gave up on it. Some moron keeps saying This TV is coming to WOLO 25-4 in Columbia SC. I know the Director of Engineering there on a first name basis, had him check with his programming people, and they don't have the contract for it (and were able to tell me who actually did). But, despite my removing it, it found its way back in. So, screw it.

- Trip

Really?

Interesting. You see I was hoping in the back of my mind that maybe someone from ThisTV was updating wiki or something. Letting us know in advance. But from what you say then I guess it probably is bogus.

We had that channel here in buffalo for a while and I really liked it. Wish it would come back. I guess when I saw that they were getting more affiliates getting closer to buffalo I was getting hopeful that they would finally maybe come back.

I don't blame you; I also want This TV in my area and do not have it.

It's a good idea to never use Wikipedia as a primary source on these things. Too many people make things up and put them in.

- Trip

Unless you live well out in Eastern Erie county, Rochester is not receivable. The 'knob' around Batavia is the problem (highest point is just NW of the city) and the lack of elevation of their antennas. Also, they are one of the few markets that reverted back to the VHF high band which normally would be an advantage, but if you have a UHF only antenna, it's a disadvantage.

I don't blame you; I also want This TV in my area and do not have it.

It's a good idea to never use Wikipedia as a primary source on these things. Too many people make things up and put them in.

- Trip

Hi again Trip

I just wanted to thank you for the info that you provided yesterday. I updated the canadian forum with that info.

VideoBruce thanks for that info. I am not from buffalo. I am located north of toronto. I'm just curious, are any of the rochester stations easy to get from buffalo? Just wondering.

As I stated, you have to be in eastern Erie county. You can't get then in Buffalo. Same goes for Erie Pa. You have to live well south or SW of Buffalo to receive them.

FWIW - Re: Ion - WPXJ- HD- Info - I received from them recently:

Thank you for the feedback. We are currently doing a rolling launch for HD broadcast. At this time a specific date is not available for when WPXJ will be available in HD. Thank you for contacting ION Media Networks.

Zap2it - sometimes will list programs on Ion in HD.

I had the unexpected opportunity of scopeing out (literally) a FiOS installation in West Seneca.

Their system goes up to RF channel 126 at 819 MHz. Unlike TWC, that stops at channel 117. (FiOS and CATV have the same frequency plans) . There were two separate, additional channels at 134 & 135 (855 & 861 MHz respectfully).
Between RF channels 4 & 5 there were two 'signals' at 73.25 & 75.25 MHz (not QAM signals). Nothing was below RF channel 2 (57 MHz).

After doing a limited scan (I wasn't able to complete the scrambled channel deletion portion of the 2 step process) using a 2009 Samsung TV, was not able to find any 'in the clear' channels. Every RF channel was QAM. As expected, there weren't any analog.

I don't recall anyone posting anything here about Verizon FiOS. Would/will anyone that has the service with a tuner with QAM capability, scan the system without the STB and confirm the lack of 'in the clear' channels??

Anyone ever pickup CBC from canada via INDOOR antenna. Friend of mine lives in village of lancaster near penora and como park blvd. he would like cbc but does not want and antenna on the roof. Anyone have expeirence around this location?

Anyone ever pickup CBC from canada via INDOOR antenna. Friend of mine lives in village of lancaster near penora and como park blvd. he would like cbc but does not want and antenna on the roof. Anyone have expeirence around this location?


I am over by Transit an Rehm. I use a Wineguard in the attic and get CBC no problem. Of course I am little closer and higher. But being inside I do notice on bad weather day it's hard to get a signal sometimes. Also every once in a while I get 44 Omni or something like that.

FUCCO; Too far away for a indoor antenna. A good roof antenna will work.

Netwalkr101; If you get 44.1 (ch 69 analog), you should be able to receive CFTO 40.1 (9.1). Try placing the antenna nearest to the NW side of the house, or better yet by, or out a window. Moving an antenna a few inches at UHF will make a difference.

If you get 44.1 (ch 69 analog), you should be able to receive CFTO 40.1 (9.1). Try placing the antenna nearest to the NW side of the house, or better yet by, or out a window. Moving an antenna a few inches at UHF will make a difference.


You know it's funny you mention that. I was testing different positions yesterday after I saw the previous post. The antenna is already on the northern side of the attic. The weird part is, optimal signal for all channels seems to be when the antenna is facing true north. I will try your suggestion. Also see if I can find a cheap tripod setup. I have access to the flat roof because my apt sits on top of a business.

Unfortunately, apparently since I never checked WUTV or WNYO, only WKBW for what they broadcast when they 'sign off', I never knew until the other day anyone locally had a HD color bar pattern available.

Well, WUTV and WNYO (same parent company) do. I set my DVR to record at the start of the 'sign off' period for 15 minutes on both stations. WUTVs' was timed better and their logo was cleaner so I saved that.

I just stumbled across this;
http://www.sbgi.net/site_mgr/temp/CoolTV-1_lbjhzj4v.shtmlTHECOOLTV is a brand new 24 hours a day / 7 days a week music television network. But unlike other music channels, THECOOLTV is "Hyper-Localized," customizing its programming to reflect local demographics, music events and even local artists.A more detailed text with affected markets is here;
http://www.thecooltv.com/THECOOLTV_SinclairTelevisionGroup.phpCool Music Network, LLC (“THECOOLTV”) and Sinclair Television Group, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SBGI) are pleased to announce an agreement for the carriage of THECOOLTV in 34 of Sinclair’s markets. This partnership will put THECOOLTV in 24 million homes, representing approximately 22% of U.S. television households.

Looks as there might be some additions/changes locally. ;)

I set my DVR to record at the start of the 'sign off' period for 15 minutes on both stations.

When's the sign off?

I was wondering was someone would ask since I forgot to include that. It seems only WUTV, WNYO (same owner) and WKBW have a weekly 'sign off'.

Monday morning;
200 AM WNYO 49.1
300 AM WUTV 14.1
430 AM CFMY 64.1
430 AM CJMT 44.1

At least next Monday. This is Monday morning (after Sunday night)

Looks as there might be some additions/changes locally. ;)

Finally maybe something different on 29-2 !!

It seems only WUTV, WNYO (same owner) and WKBW have a weekly 'sign off'.

Thanks.

jimdoo; PM me (your PM is turned off)

I just stumbled across this;
http://www.sbgi.net/site_mgr/temp/CoolTV-1_lbjhzj4v.shtmlA more detailed text with affected markets is here;
http://www.thecooltv.com/THECOOLTV_SinclairTelevisionGroup.php

Looks as there might be some additions/changes locally. ;)



This is the reply I got for when they will launch:

At this point we are looking to launch some time in early June. Thanks for the email and let me know if you have any other questions.

Is WGRZ experimenting w/ hd news ? Do they have the capability to broadcast the news in HD? Tonight it looks pretty good to me- not sure if it's HD or just stretched sd. Anyone know for sure?

I didn't get a chance to see the news tonight. But as we speak I am flipping through 2-2 and 2-3. And both look significantly better then yesterday. I also appears that 2-1 is better watching the local Olympic special they have on. Lets cross our fingers they keep up with it and others will follow suit. One thing I miss most is the all weather channel we had on 2. Heck I'd settle for the doppler that 4 used to have. lol

Is WGRZ experimenting w/ hd news ? Do they have the capability to broadcast the news in HD? Tonight it looks pretty good to me- not sure if it's HD or just stretched sd. Anyone know for sure?
I'm certainly far from an expert on the situation, but I thought they've been in HD for some time now, albeit 4:3 with pillar bars. Their news picture has looked far better than WIVB's or WKBW's for a long time IMO.

Now with what appears to be a move to 16:9 HD, complete with remote shots and sports highlights, that makes them all the more better. I did think the studio shots were darker than before though. Maybe they're still tweaking things. At any rate, I like what I'm seeing.

WUTV & WNYO were the first to have the ability to originate local HD content either commercials or syndicated programming. WGRZ, I believe was the 2nd. They have included what I call 'HD sidebars' to fill a 16x9 display without (the less educated) consumers stretching the image. WVIB can originate local HD and lastly, WKBW can do the same (AFAIK) though their studio cameras suck (in plain English). Of course that matches their corporate owners and all of their anti union crap.

According to Alan Pergament's blog (http://blogs.buffalonews.com/talkintv/2010/02/channel-2-news-picture-will-be-changing.html) at The Buffalo News' website, the WGRZ news is now upconverted to widescreen HD. So not really 1080i, but at least they're utilizing the whole screen now.

WGRZs' studio and ENG cameras seem to be decent in the first place. Upconverting to (actually cropping and expanding the image to fill a 16x9 screen) was a cheap way to fill the screen w/o buying new cameras. Interestingly they are doing the same with their ENG footage.

WIVB has falling behind. They need to get rid of that stupid 'Hub' idea and bring local control back to their stations. Just more 'fast pencil' bookkeeping. :mad:

The US vs Canada hockey game sure does look nice in HD on CFTO. ;)

But, it looks better when we win.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff40/videobruce/US-Canadagame.jpg

Sorry Canada............

Sorry Canada............

It is not over yet.....

Gotta love it;
http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/02/23/965954/wind-turbines-interfere-with-television.htmlLast June, the federal government forced digital TV down our throats and I fell victim to such television gone wrong.Television has "gone wrong" since the fifties when color was sandwiched into a system that wasn't designed for it. We have been suffering ever since.I am a property owner in the Town of Eagle, and my television reception was harmed by wind turbine activity. And the antenna in use is exactly what?? Some 20 year old relic on the roof, or is it some substandard indoor imitation of an antenna? I have not had the ability to watch my television in an enjoyable fashion.I haven't found that criteria in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Wind turbines screwed up reception in Waymart, PA to the point that the power company actually pays to maintain translators for the local Scranton signals.

- Trip

logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.Very well spoken.

Of course, you can always move.

This is a short-sighted narrow-minded response. My (retired) in-laws and a great many other people live "downstream" of the Weathersfield, Atica, Eagle etc. wind-farms. They (like us) are big boosters of wind turbines but OTA digital reception is totally ruined by the blades. Fortunately for them their geek son-in-law is invested in them being able to watch the Bills.

Our less well-to-do rural neighbors have legitimate concerns and I've encouraged them to agitate for a local repeater south of the turbines.

I'll say this with the best of intentions. Television is a commodity and a privilege, it is not a right nor is it a necessity. If you desire uninterrupted service you will have to pay for it.

Antenna TV WAS a privilege now it is a right. Same a driving as far as I'm concerned. We pay so much money just to be able to put a vehicle on the road, let alone drive it. And it's no different with tv now. We the people are the ones paying for it and don't let big brother or any business fool you.

Wind farm interference does not only impact OTA HDTV reception, it also causes interference issues with doppler radar, UHF telemetry (used by utilities), and "1st responder" frequencies. It also impacts phone lines via "inductive coupling" when these farms are built near utility poles that carry copper phone lines.

A number of unnecessary comments have been edited and deleted.

One of the reasons was the lack of attributing a quote to a specific member. If you're going to quote someone, use the 'Quote' button, which identifies the member you are replying to.

Other comments removed included name calling, which is not allowed. Further like comments will result in harsher moderator action, up to and including loss of the ability to participate at AVS.

WUTV and WNYO SD sub channels are no more. Though, TWC still has a SD version available. Stay tuned. ;)

On another front, it's about time;
http://www.tvpredictions.com/twads030510.htm

So, what's the deal? Are they getting ready for the music channel or something else?

It might be sooner than June. There might be something else in the mean time. ;)

What's Be Buffalo?

:confused: ????

Where did you see this?

It was a link on the wnyo website. It said "coming soon". Got a reply back from them, it is not any new channel but some new local web effort... He went on to say "something" is coming to 49.2 but he did not know what.

Buffalo, NY TWC customers will be getting a new cable guide next month. SARA will be replaced with the new Navigator guide which should be easier on the eyes. Its supposed to be more feature packed and easier to use :rolleyes:. Deployment should start in April though it will take about a month or so to complete. They have to do it by box type. Different boxes will be updated at different times.

For those of you looking to get rid of TW. Did a comparison in cost with FIOS, TW (which I have now) and Dish.
FIOS Ultimate HD triple play with two HD boxes.
Dish 260 package with HD package and two HD boxes with 3 months free HBO.
I have TW with two HD boxes and pay and extra $11 for a couple extra tiers.
Saved $572 vs TW ($584 vs Dish) over two years with FIOS vs what I have with TW now, plus I get twice as many channels and more HD. The savings includes keeping TW basic for two TV's that I don't need a lot of channels on. The basic TW also gets me Canadian channels and the Sabres homes games on HD for all my TV's.
Even TW's triple play offering didn't even come close.
FIOS is also giving HBO free for 3 months as part of the deal.

Only if you are lucky enough to be in one of their so called "select" areas. :rolleyes:

I may also be able to get rid of the TW basic package for the two sets without a box because I understand Fios works simular to TW with an HDTV with a QAM tuner. Once they install it I will do a scan and see what I get. May be able to save anothe $11 a month. FIOS also claims to have a digital box for $4 a month that is suppose to get you the complete package you are apying for less HD channels.

I had a very limited opportunity do a channel scan in West Seneca with a FiOS customer. It returned no 'in the clear' stations that I was able to find. The customer was less than co-operative, so I wasn't able to let the scan process complete to get rid of all the encrypted channels (Samsung LCD set). I started to check out the lowest channels first, but all were encrypted.

From what I have read elsewhere, at best, they only give you a dozen or so 'in the clear' channels. Why would you bother encrypting the basic tier when it is about as secure as one can get without the additional security? Paranoid mentality.

No one has come forward here that has FiOS to confirm or deny this.

I had a very limited opportunity do a channel scan in West Seneca with a FiOS customer. It returned no 'in the clear' stations that I was able to find.

From what I have read elsewhere, at best, they only give you a dozen or so 'in the clear' channels. Why would you bother encrypting the basic tier when it is about as secure as one can get without the additional security? Paranoid mentality.

As a FiOS customer, here is an answer to your question.

1. FiOS is an all-digital system. They broadcast no analog channels at all. All channels are broadcast via QAM. The only way to receive channels on FiOS, is via a TV equipped with a QAM tuner, a Set-Top Box, or with a cablecard equipped TV or some other cablecard equipped equipment.

2. All local standard and high-definition channels, that FiOS broadcasts, are receivable in the clear via QAM. They also broadcast a TV Guide channel, WeatherScan Channel (like The Weather Channel's local's on the eight, but all the time), WGN (A SuperStation from Chicago), 3 Spanish-language channels, and 2 Local-Origination Channels, and over 70 music channels, all "in the clear", via QAM.

3. If you have Time Warner Cable and you only subscribe to internet service, but not to cable, you can can get unencrypted channels 2 thru 22, the music channels, ESPN U, Local High Def's, Canadian standard-definition stations, Sabre's HD broadcasts and several other channels via a QAM tuner TV.

However, if you only subscribe to FiOS Internet service, or you live in a community that does not have a Franchise Agreement, you will not receive any TV channels at all via QAM or any other way.

I hope this answers your questions, if you have any others, don't hesitate to ask.

All local standard and high-definition channels, that FiOS broadcasts, are receivable in the clear via QAM. Ok, what are they? The physical channel numbers, that is.

You are the 1st FiOS customer to come forward here.

These are the 'in the clear" channels on FiOS

WGN America is located at RF Channel 55 (QAM 411)
WGRZ-SD, WIVB-SD, WKBW-SD & WNYB-SD are located on Channel 63 (QAM 459)
Telemundo, Telefutura & WNLO-SD are located on Channel 64 (QAM 465)
TV Guide Network, WeatherScan & The 45 Music Choice Channels are on Channel 66 (QAM 477)
WGRZ-HD and it's Subchannels & WNED-HD and it's Subchannels are located on Channel 71 (QAM 507)
WIVB-HD & WNLO-HD are located on Channel 72 (QAM 513)
WUTV-HD & WKBW-HD are located on Channel 73 (QAM 519)
WNYO-HD is located on Channel 74 (QAM 525)
The 50 Urge Music Channels are located on Channel 84 (QAM 585)
Univision is located on Channel 107 (QAM 693)
The 2 Public/Education/Government Channels are located on Channel 127 (QAM 813)

They may or may not, depending on the television and if FiOS has everything set-up correctly; the channels should be mapped correctly to their appropriate channels. FiOS and Time Warner both have had problems with the channels being mapped correctly.


Hope this helps.

Thanks for the list, but would you break them down into subchannels as was done here (except for the music services);
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17106718&postcount=5569

No wonder why I couldn't find them. It would be too logical to start those off on channel 2.FiOS and Time Warner both have had problems with the channels being mapped correctly.Oh, come on, you must be exaggerating? :rolleyes:

How are those "Urge" music services different from "Music Choice"?

best I can tell it looks like TWC (Buffalo Suburban) is moving the clear QAM channels around again. some of the channels I previously could tune in seem to have disappeared - although my tuner doesnt always seem to work right. anyone have the ability to do a scan and post what you find? Thanks in advance:)

They messed around with ch. 93 again. They also upgraded their Cable Modems to 50 Mbs capability. You might have to do a rescan.

been messin with a friends of mines setup. He is trying for cbc and is located near como park and penora in lancaster. He has a channel master 4228 with 50 feet of cable. When we scan the tv all he gets is the buffalo locals. When we trick the directv hr20 to pick up the channel it comes in at 40% but gets no picture at all and the signal jumps alot. Would 50 feet of cable require the use of a pre-amp to compensate signal loss? Any other suggestions?

1. Try moving the antenna to another part of the roof (find a 'hot spot'),
2. Try another receiver,
3. Most (if not all) preamp's will be overloaded from either direction (NW or SE), a indoor amp is a better choice as long as it is located where the cable enters the house in the attic or crawl space (not in the basement). I don't mean any of those dime a dozen, $20 or $30, no name wonders either. ;)

Sorry it took so long to get your answer, I was out of town, and when I returned, i had to change my set-up to get your answer, and run a cable directly to my Magnavox HD TV.

This past week, there was a free preview of the ONDemand Extra Innings channels, including the HD channel. There apparently was also a free preview during the NCAA Finals and for several days after of CBS College Sports SD (FiOS does not yet carry the HD channel, but it is on the list of coming soon.)

13.549 - CBS College Sports SD
27.575 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.577 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.578 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.579 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.580 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.581 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.582 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.583 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.584 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.585 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.586 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.587 - ONDemand Extra Innings
54.744 - ONDemand Extra Innings HD Channel
55.100 - WGN America SD
63.101 - The Weather Channel SD - National Feed (Shows national weather on the 8's)
63.1600 - WGRZ-SD
63.1601 - WIVB-SD
63.1603 - WKBW-SD
63.1609 - WNYB-SD
64.572 - Telemundo SD (National Spanish language channel)
64.573 - Telefutura SD (National Spanish language channel)
64.1608 - WNLO-SD
71.1606 - WNED-SD (17.2)
71.1611 - WGRZ-Universal Sports (2.2)
71.1612 - WGRZ-RTV-Retro Television (2.3)
71.1615 - ThinkBright TV (17.3)
71.1620 - WNED-HD (17.1)
71.1621 - WGRZ-HD (2.1)
72.1622 - WNLO-HD (23.1)
72.1623 - WIVB-HD (4.1)
73.1610 - WUTV-SD (29.2)
73.1624 - WUTV-HD (29.1)
73.1625 - WKBW-HD (7.1)
74.1604 - WNYO-SD (49.2)
74.1626 - WNYO-HD (49.1)
87.512 - On Demand Previews
87.513 - Unknown
123.103 - The Weather Channel SD - Local Feed (Shows local weather on the 8's)
127.20 - Public/Educational/Government Channel #1
127.22 - Public/Educational/Government Channel #2

There is also 10 channels at 2.63264 thru 2.63273
There is also 10 channels at 3.63274 thru 3.63283
There is also 10 channels at 5.63284 thru 5.63293
There is also 10 channels at 6.63294 thru 6.63303
I don't know what these 40 channels are for, they come in as stereo channels all at 4:3 (SD), but have no sound or picture.

Since I did my original scan over a year and 1/2 ago, they seems to know be encrypting the music channels, both Music Choice and Urge (Time Warner will be doing the same shortly according to their notice in the Buffalo News on 4/1).

Thanks for the reply, but that list is completely different than what you provided previously. Is that TV the only device w/ a QAM tuner that you have?
That list you originally provided, was that a scan you did using the same TV or from somewhere else?

My original message is correct, and so is my second message. I have used the same tv for both scans.

Below is the original message (in bold) interspersed with the second message (in italics) with the channel allocations. I underlined the channel #'s to show the correlation.

These are the 'in the clear" channels on FiOS

WGN America is located at RF Channel 55 (QAM 411)
55.100 - WGN America SD

WGRZ-SD, WIVB-SD, WKBW-SD & WNYB-SD are located on Channel 63 (QAM 459)
63.101 - The Weather Channel SD - National Feed (Shows national weather on the 8's) - Not in my original message
63.1600 - WGRZ-SD
63.1601 - WIVB-SD
63.1603 - WKBW-SD
63.1609 - WNYB-SD

Telemundo, Telefutura & WNLO-SD are located on Channel 64 (QAM 465)
64.572 - Telemundo SD (National Spanish language channel)
64.573 - Telefutura SD (National Spanish language channel)
64.1608 - WNLO-SD

TV Guide Network, WeatherScan & The 45 Music Choice Channels are on Channel 66 (QAM 477)
They seem to now be encrypting the music channels

WGRZ-HD and it's Subchannels & WNED-HD and it's Subchannels are located on Channel 71 (QAM 507)
71.1606 - WNED-SD (17.2)
71.1611 - WGRZ-Universal Sports (2.2)
71.1612 - WGRZ-RTV-Retro Television (2.3)
71.1615 - ThinkBright TV (17.3)
71.1620 - WNED-HD (17.1)
71.1621 - WGRZ-HD (2.1)

WIVB-HD & WNLO-HD are located on Channel 72 (QAM 513)
72.1622 - WNLO-HD (23.1)
72.1623 - WIVB-HD (4.1)

WUTV-HD & WKBW-HD are located on Channel 73 (QAM 519)
73.1610 - WUTV-SD (29.2)
73.1624 - WUTV-HD (29.1)
73.1625 - WKBW-HD (7.1)

WNYO-HD is located on Channel 74 (QAM 525)
74.1604 - WNYO-SD (49.2)
74.1626 - WNYO-HD (49.1)

The 50 Urge Music Channels are located on Channel 84 (QAM 585)
They seem to now be encrypting the music channels

Not in my original message
87.512 - On Demand Previews
87.513 - Unknown

Univision is located on Channel 107 (QAM 693)
No longer appears to be "in the clear"

Not in my original message
123.103 - The Weather Channel SD - Local Feed (Shows local weather on the 8's)

The 2 Public/Education/Government Channels are located on Channel 127 (QAM 813)
127.20 - Public/Educational/Government Channel #1
127.22 - Public/Educational/Government Channel #2

This past week, there was a free preview of the ONDemand Extra Innings channels, including the HD channel. There apparently was also a free preview during the NCAA Finals and for several days after of CBS College Sports SD (FiOS does not yet carry the HD channel, but it is on the list of coming soon.)

13.549 - CBS College Sports SD
27.575 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.577 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.578 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.579 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.580 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.581 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.582 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.583 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.584 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.585 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.586 - ONDemand Extra Innings
27.587 - ONDemand Extra Innings
54.744 - ONDemand Extra Innings HD Channel

There is also 10 channels at 2.63264 thru 2.63273
There is also 10 channels at 3.63274 thru 3.63283
There is also 10 channels at 5.63284 thru 5.63293
There is also 10 channels at 6.63294 thru 6.63303
I don't know what these 40 channels are for, they come in as stereo channels all at 4:3 (SD), but have no sound or picture.

FiOS now seems to be encrypting the music channels, both Music Choice and Urge (Time Warner will be doing the same shortly according to their notice in the Buffalo News on 4/1).

I will be posting, very shortly, a complete QAM listing for every channel that FiOS has in the Buffalo system. I did complete an HD only QAM listing that I can post if anybody wants to see.

wow spun my antenna toward erie pa. I am picking up cleveland ohio stations. Just did anothe scan i am getting cbs and abc from erie. Nbc from cleveland. A couple channels from sandusky and some from toledo ohio

good ducting today??

rlind50688; Thanks for the reply, but I think you misunderstand the way digital TV channels work or are identified (thanks partly of the FCC).
There are "virtual" channel numbers and "physical" channel numbers. "Virtual" numbers are whatever the OTA station chooses to use, almost always their former analog allocation which 99% of the time is not the actual "physical " channel number, or what the CATV operator chooses for their channels.

Whereas WGRZ which was on now band channel 2 and now is on UHF channel 33, still uses "channel 2" as their 'ID' even thought the frequency span from 55 MHz to 587 MHz is a ten fold difference in frequency. Anyone not knowing this would assume their VHF antenna that they either already bought or already had was adequate, when it isn't. This only adds needless complications to the already complicated situation. Anyone has the ability to get use to a different channel number if they can get use to operating any of this new technology. Their worry of loosing viewers was simply paranoia.

Use use the term "RF" channel which would indicate a "physical" channel number, then use use the term "QAM" which would indicate the same. I'm assuming what you are calling "QAM" is the "virtual" channel. It would be best to use the term "FiOS xxx" instead of "QAM xxx". ;)

rlind50688; It's unusual sub channels are being listed as a four digit number. Do you have another device with a QAM tuner to verify those channels? It's not uncommon, different tuners will show different channel numbers for the same service, at least with CATV service. Since you are the only one that stepped forward here, it is unknown if the same is true for FiOS.
BTW, thanks for your time.

Not sure how many of you in WNY get CBLT-DT over the air (20.1/5.1) but the Sabres-Bruins series is being telecast. Game 1 is on right now, and the Sabres lead! :)

I'm surprised none of the regular season games weren't on CBLT when Toronto wasn't playing.

Not sure how many of you in WNY get CBLT-DT over the air (20.1/5.1) but the Sabres-Bruins series is being telecast. Game 1 is on right now, and the Sabres lead! :)

What does the 20.1 mean and would a tuner ever have CBC on 20.1? I have a few friends in Canada and it always comes in on 5.1.

What's 20.1?

Please read my previous post addressed to rlind50688.

Can someone recommend an antenna I can use to pull in 20.1? That's really the only thing I care to get -- I have TWC and I'm good with that -- would just like CBC in HD for hockey and such.

I'm in NW Amherst. There are some pretty tall poplar trees directly to my north/northwest. I'm not interested in putting anything outside. I have a large attic and the TV I want to feed is on the second floor -- it would be a 20 or 30ft run of cable from the TV to the attic location. So attic it is.

After some reading, I was thinking of a CM 4228, but I guess the new HD version is not as good.

I tried building the coat-hanger clone with 12 gauge romex -- it pulled in the locals great, but I couldn't get anything from Toronto. It's probably not perfect enough. I currently don't have an amp.

Thanks for your help!

I'm not interested in putting anything outside.You have two chances, Slim and none and Slim is out of town. Unless you are extremely lucky, it is highly doubtful you would be able to get CBLT.After some reading, I was thinking of a CM 4228, but I guess the new HD version is not as good.A understatement. If you look long enough, the original 4228 might still be had.

PS; welcome to the forums.

Thanks Bruce! Oh, man, I was hoping I could at least get just CBLT with a preamp plus a 4228 or a homemade, just having it in my attic. Oh well -- thanks for your help.

What's wrong with the roof??

Roof is just more pain than it's worth, I think. We're talking about 1 channel that I'd watch maybe a couple times a month -- if that. Plus I don't have a long enough ladder to get up on the high part. I do have a one-story part of my house (the north part) that I could put it on, but I'd rather hide it in the back of the house on a pole, if anything.

If I put it on a pole outside, how high up would it have to be?

Trying to get the Sabres games? I just put my DB4 (http://www.amazon.com/Antennas-Direct-DB4-Multi-Directional-Antenna/dp/B000EHYG9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1271812136&sr=8-1) on the roof to get CBLT. Its up about 25 feet and I have an amplifier. I'm getting a great picture with 75% signal strength. I think being out in the sticks might help some though.

Roof is just more pain than it's worth, I think. We're talking about 1 channel that I'd watch maybe a couple times a month -- if that.There is alot more available from Toronto than just hockey games! Much of it in HD. Programs not available here.Plus I don't have a long enough ladder to get up on the high part. Owning a house without the tools to maintain it is a bad idea. If one can afford the house, they can afford a ladder. ;)I think being out in the sticks might help some though.Which "sticks" are those?

Which "sticks" are those?

The Metro Batavia area ;)

Sorry if this has been covered in the thread before but,

Do the Toronto/Hamilton Stations come in better at night? I was getting almost 90% on CHCH-DT last night when during the day I was getting 50-60%.
I'm thinking about mounting the antenna on the roof of my 2 story barn. I'm thinking with the mast I can get it up to about 35 feet. This should help me pull in Rochester better also.

I didn't know Batavia had a "metro" anything. I assume you are outside the town of Batavia?Do the Toronto/Hamilton Stations come in better at night?It's the time of the year all kinds of 'strange' things start to happen. Evening and early morning (dusk & dawn) in the spring can get interesting.
How long would your 'drop' be from antenna to TV? You shouldn't have any issue with Rochester no matter where your antenna is (outside).

There is alot more available from Toronto than just hockey games! Much of it in HD. Programs not available here. ... Owning a house without the tools to maintain it is a bad idea. If one can afford the house, they can afford a ladder. ;)

Yes, getting a 24-ft ladder is on my list of things to do :)

So even if I put say a DB4 outside on my roof or on a pole, there are about 15 100-foot or higher poplar trees directly to my northwest, pretty much where I think the direct line from me to CN Tower is. It's a cluster of them, and it's fairly clear to both the left and right of the cluster. How big of an issue will trees be? I'd be really bummed if I went through the trouble to get Toronto stuff and the trees ruin it :)

How big of an issue will trees be?It's really unknown until you compare reception now and again later after they are in full bloom. Either way, outdoors is better than in. ;)

(add a chain saw to your list :D )

I didn't know Batavia had a "metro" anything. I assume you are outside the town of Batavia?It's the time of the year all kinds of 'strange' things start to happen. Evening and early morning (dusk & dawn) in the spring can get interesting.
How long would your 'drop' be from antenna to TV? You shouldn't have any issue with Rochester no matter where your antenna is (outside).

Just west of Batavia.

From the barn to the HDHomerun would be 70-100 feet. My house roof line runs north/south so I have the antenna on the west side of the roof. This might be why I'm having problems getting Rochester. I need to mount the antenna closer to the ridge line and see if that improves things.

I subscribe to RoadRunner and I'm currently getting Rochester through a QAM tuner on the HTPC so its not that big a deal if I don't get it.
What's interesting is TVFool shows the Roch. stations as 2Edge reflections.
Their short towers and lower elevation might be hurting my reception.

My house roof line runs north/south so I have the antenna on the west side of the roof. This might be why I'm having problems getting Rochester. Probably the reason, but you might just be in a dead spot. NW of the city of Batavia is the highest area around Batavia using Google Earth.

Your 100' run might be a issue depending on how many sets it's feeding. A amp would be in order.

Can anybody in the batavia area tell me if they still get the Following Channels on Clear QAM. WKBW HD Ch. 1007/81-1, WNED HD 81-2, WNED Thinkbright Ch, 431/81-4. These channels are acting like SDV Channels on Clear QAM when they are not. The Diagnostic Screen on my box says the Frequency is still QAM 81 and these channels are not SDV. Is my TV not receiving them properly or did they move on Clear QAM.

Can anybody in the batavia area tell me if they still get the Following Channels on Clear QAM. WKBW HD Ch. 1007/81-1, WNED HD 81-2, WNED Thinkbright Ch, 431/81-4. These channels are acting like SDV Channels on Clear QAM when they are not. The Diagnostic Screen on my box says the Frequency is still QAM 81 and these channels are not SDV. Is my TV not receiving them properly or did they move on Clear QAM.

I'm using a HDHomerun with one tuner as QAM and, as of right now, 81-1 is WKBW and WNED is on 81-2 and Thinkbright is 81-4.

I'm using a HDHomerun with one tuner as QAM and, as of right now, 81-1 is WKBW and WNED is on 81-2 and Thinkbright is 81-4.

Thanks for the info. Whenever TWC makes any QAM Changes my Vizio TV is allways screwed up and the only fix is a channel scan. That didn't fix this problem beceause all of the Clear QAM Channels on 81 say No Audio & Video. A Friend of mines from the Rochester, NY Forum on here thinks TWC changed something in the QAM 81 Signal & my TV can't properly read the data it's receiving.

It's a good thing one of my Vizio's has a Cable Box, don't have to fix the QAM on that TV. Just the Vizio in my Den.

I realize this is OT so feel free to PM me if you'd rather.

I've had a TiVo Series3 for years but only using an antenna and basic cable. Because basic cable came with my rent.

Well I'm moving and will have to pay for my cable. So I'm going to go ahead and finally get CableCARDs and the dreaded SDV adapter.

Can anyone in the area offer any advice / success stories / horror stories?

I do not want to continue to use my antenna (mostly because I want HD cable channels now) and I don't really want to switch to TW's DVR or satellite since I like my S3 (and it's got lifetime service).

I'm just a little nervous about ongoing technical support headaches.

Whenever TWC makes any QAM Changes my Vizio TV is always screwed up and the only fix is a channel scan. It seems to depend on the devices firmware. Some handle it better than others. Many times, just re-entering the physical channel number fixes the problem. Unfortunately, I have never seen a device that as the "add" function for CATV allocations, only for OTA. That's what happens when actual advanced 'users' don't design this stuff. :rolleyes:So I'm going to go ahead and finally get CableCARDs and the dreaded SDV adapter.I believe you may be the first.

Videobruce you should know my vizio tv will not let you access QAM Channels not programmed into it's memory. The Clear QAM channels on 81 don't have PSIP Data so i allready get the true channel number. I did a channel scan this morning & all of the Clear QAM Channels on 81 were gone so i typed the channel number into the remote & it won't access those channels beceause their not in the tv's memory. You are right about the firmware. TWC must have changed something in the QAM 81 Signal and the TV don't know what to do with the new data it's receiving. Just gota figure out what they changed.

My Samsung seems to be the same way. When they mess with the PSIP data, I will loose some of the subchannels. But, most of the time waiting a day or two the missing sub channel will come back.

You can try to 'delete' the channel if it is still listed and see if it will return by itself. How does that set handle the encripted channels? Are there many to delete??

My Samsung seems to be the same way. When they mess with the PSIP data, I will loose some of the subchannels. But, most of the time waiting a day or two the missing sub channel will come back.

You can try to 'delete' the channel if it is still listed and see if it will return by itself. How does that set handle the encripted channels? Are there many to delete??

With my Vizio TV the only way to add or delete a channel is to do a channel scan. With the firmware on my Vizio TV encripted channels will not be stored in the memory. Same thing with channels that have No Signal. If their is a particular channel you don't want to show up when you push the channel buttons you go into the menu & tell the tv to skip that channel, but it can't be deleted until you do a channel scan. My Friend in the Rochester, NY HDTV Forum said TWC must have changed something in the bitstream on QAM 81 & my tv doesn't know what to do with the changes. Now i am currious if the Vizio TV in my Living room can accept the changes TWC made since the firmware is newer on that TV. I don't plan on removing the cable box from that tv just to find out.

If you read back, this has been a ongoing thing with TWC.

Probably the reason, but you might just be in a dead spot. NW of the city of Batavia is the highest area around Batavia using Google Earth.

Your 100' run might be a issue depending on how many sets it's feeding. A amp would be in order.

Last weekend I mounted my antenna mast on the barn roof, top antenna is about 35 feet up. The cable runs were 65 feet to the tuners. I installed an amplifier on each line after it enters the house. Would a pole mounted amp be better?
I pointed one db4 at Toronto and one at Grand Island. I get CBLT and CFTO all day. I'm getting 4-5 other Canada stations at 75%-plus signal strength, but only at night. Not a big deal as I don't watch much during the day. Surprisingly the Haupaugue tuner in the HTPC is pulling in Toronto better then the HDHomerun was.

I still need to do some aiming when the wind dies down.

I gave up on getting Rochester OTA because I get it through QAM now anyway.

I just love not having a Sat-TV bill anymore.

I thinking of ordering an 8-bay antenna but I don't know if it would help any?

Is Anybody in batavia getting WKBW HD on Channel 1007 or 81-1 beceause that channel has no signal on My Den TV & the Cable Box. I allready Called TWC & reported the problem. They better have it fixed before 9PM beceause i am recording a show for my mom on that channel tonight.

Update: WKBW HD returned to CH. 1007 at 2PM today. :) The situation with 81-1 hasn't changed. :( I was hoping it would be fixed when it came back on channel 1007.

Everyone notice wpxj- is broadcasting in 720P on their 51-1 channel. Not sure when it started. I just noticed it yesterday. TWC is to add it to their local HD lineup in June also.
Loose a sub channel -gain HD !

SCHNEEDOO; You are receiving CFTO from outside of Batavia?? :eek:
PM me.

jimdoo; That's a real surprise.

Everyone notice wpxj- is broadcasting in 720P on their 51-1 channel. Not sure when it started. I just noticed it yesterday. TWC is to add it to their local HD lineup in June also.
Loose a sub channel -gain HD !

I'm also Suprised WPXJ is now in HD. How do you know TWC is adding WPXJ to the Local HD lineup? My Mom's Bedroom TV Currently uses a Digital to Analog Converter box and i noticed they dropped 51-4 sometime last year. Don't know when beceause when i setup the Indoors Antenna in my mom's bedroom 51-4 was Off the Air.

SCHNEEDOO how are you getting Canadian Station in Batavia? Are they Digital or Analog? Let me know beceause i live in Batavia & Don't get them OTA or on Cable.

Watching WPJX for a few minutes last night (NCIS I believe), for some unknown reason their 51.4 showed a duplicate of 51.1 (physical 23.1) on my Mits DLP. I have to assume this is a fluke with the Mits. I didn't do a re-scan. Anyway, The first thing I did notice was the image was a little softer than network and it was definitely more noisy.

I posted this before, since this is a unusual situation, I found that one has to scan first aimed east to add WPJX physical ch. 23. If you aim NW and scan, WNLO physical ch. 32 will be added as 23.1 which will block the addition of WPJX physical ch. 23 if that makes sense (possibly depending on your tuners firmware).

Watching WPJX for a few minutes last night (NCIS I believe), for some unknown reason their 51.4 showed a duplicate of 51.1 (physical 23.1) on my Mits DLP. I have to assume this is a fluke with the Mits. I didn't do a re-scan. Anyway, The first thing I did notice was the image was a little softer than network and it was definitely more noisy.

I posted this before, since this is a unusual situation, I found that one has to scan first aimed east to add WPJX physical ch. 23. If you aim NW and scan, WNLO physical ch. 32 will be added as 23.1 which will block the addition of WPJX physical ch. 23 if that makes sense (possibly depending on your tuners firmware).

I just typed 51.4 into my Digital To Analog Coverter Box & it says no signal for that channel number. I have an indoors antenna in my mom's bedroom that's aiming SW and i get for WPXJ a signal strength of 78. My Signal Strength for WNLO is 19.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%205-1-10.pdf

Heck with their fictitious channel numbers, what will the physical numbers be?

Apparently, Mit's tuner firmware is flaky as my DVR's tuner after doing a 'add channel' only reported 2 sub's not three.

Is anyone else not getting Fox over the air?

Has it been knocked off the air due to wind? :mad:

yeah it was off earlies on my directv and my ota antennas. I have a few tv's with backup antennas and not one got a signal

Is anyone else not getting Fox over the air?

Has it been knocked off the air due to wind? :mad:

WUTV was also off the air on Cable Saturday beceause of the storm. It came back on the air later that afternoon. The Storm probably broke something at the transmitter.

It's probably my tv but did anyone have breakup issues yesterday on the fox HD signal on TW (106.1) ?

Strange thing is it was fine while watching it using the cable box.

It's probably my tv but did anyone have breakup issues yesterday on the fox HD signal on TW (106.1) ?

Strange thing is it was fine while watching it using the cable box.

When i was Watching Nascar on WUTV HD yesterday the channel froze on my Cable Box for less than a minute. Is that what happened to you?

I recommened adding your location to your profile beceause other people give you a better answer to your questions. One reason i say this is beceause the Cable System in Genesee County (Batavia Area) is a part of rochester instead of buffalo so the Physical Channel Numbers will be different & you will get a better response from people on the same cable system you are on.

Updated profile - thanks

No it was a continuous thing. A slight breakup or hang every 30 seconds or so.

I'm gonna rescan tonight just in case.

Now that I think of it , it also happened on whatever channel is 106.2

In Batavia WUTV HD only froze for less than a minute on my cable box. I'm not sure about Clear QAM beceause i was using the box when the signal froze. Fogot to check it at that time. 106.2 is probably one of your local channels on QAM. I don't know which one beceause the physical location in different in batavia.

I am closing on and moving into a house next week in Cheektowaga, off Cleveland between Eggert and Harlem, and am mulling over the idea of purchasing a rooftop antenna mainly in order to (like a lot of people here) get CBC in HD for hockey. I have been looking around and here's what I think I am understanding:

An outdoor antenna is most likely necessary.

The higher the better.

A good one is the older version of one CM 4228 that nobody can seem to find anymore.

Now, I need some clarification on some issues:

Amp versus pre-amp. I'm clueless. I tried reading in the technical forum but I'm still not understanding. I get the notion that an amp, ideally, makes the signal stronger, while a pre-amp, ideally, maintains a signal already picked up, but you really can't have both, so which would I want? Or am I way off base?

VHF/UHF and actual versus virtual channel. A couple of years ago, I ran an antenna in the southtowns on an HDTV (just a sort of second brand TV from Best Buy, Dynex is the brand) and picked up the local channels (2,4,7, 17, 23, 29, 49 etc.) on their regular numbers, but now I'm reading that you can't exactly do that anymore. They're on different signals now because of "virtual signals"? Does the VHF/UHF terms I see being thrown around have something to do with this?

Finally, in reading this forum, I didn't think this was an issue, but I already have DirecTV, and I read something a few pages earlier about "fooling the DirecTV tuner". What's that about?

Thanks in advance for your help.

An outdoor antenna is most likely necessary.
The higher the better.
A good one is the older version of one CM 4228 that nobody can seem to find anymore.Absolutely,
Yes,
Yes.Amp versus pre-amp. Preamps are normally placed next to (or near) the antenna. They are line feed with a power inserted
'Amps' are placed indoors (or at least out of the weather and near a AC outlet).

The problem with preamps are;
1. You can't get to them easily,
2. They require a in line power inserted which adds to the loss equation (two more 'F' fittings,
3. And lastly, they overload very easily since they are designed for weak signal environments which is NOT the case in WNY with Gilligan's Island close. :(

The problem with an 'Amp' is it should be placed indoors unless you can buy/make a weather proof enclosure and provide AC to it. There is a safety issue here since 120V near the antenna is not safe. The advantage of a preamp and why it is so popular is, it can be placed near the antenna to amplify the highest signal and make up for downlead loss.

BUT,
The problem is overload from nearby transmitters (the three from GI). Without 'traps' (or filters if you prefer) even a indoor 'Amp' will get overloaded (but not as bad). Placing the Amp indoors with filters to ;tame' the high signal from GI is the only solution IF you want the most from the antenna.
If you ONLY want CBLT, a 4228 (or 91XG) should be sufficient, but with all the other available stations, why settle for just one?? ;) Don't forget, things will change next August when Canada does their analog shutdown.

Too bad you didn't find a location just east of the Thruway across from that church on Cleveland. :D There is a brick house (the nicest on on Cleveland Dr.) on one of the highest spots that has a killer, to die for location looking NW.

Thanks.

Ideally, I was looking closer to the Thruway, but given factors of price, location, timing (I wanted the tax credit if at all possible), that's just how it goes I guess.

When you have time, what about that physical versus virtual channel thing? I haven't run an antenna for HD in over a year. Should I expect the signals to change when/if I do?

What about having DirecTV? Was I seeing things or do I need to do something to compensate for that as well?

AFAIK, NONE of the 'pay' packages (TWC, DaveTV, Charlie or Verizon) offer any Canadian station in HD. Verizon FiOS outright could care less. Just as they don't give a s*it about the city of Buffalo (same goes for Collins). :mad:

What I meant was, do I need to take into effect any special considerations for an antenna (purchase, positioning, etc.) because of the fact I have DirecTV?

No.

Hi:

Thought you might be interested. This has been posted on DHC as of a couple of days ago.


Buffalo News - Dormant Springville TV station purchased

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/18/1053757/dormant-springville-tv-station.html

Oh boy, Clarence and Amherst. Collins should like that.

We will see...............

It's about time somebody purchased WNGS. In the news article it says Half of Batavia will get it.:) I'm wondering which half will get it. Probably the West Half and i live in the SE part of Batavia so i can only get it from TWC. We'll see what programing they half on June 12.

I just noticed on Wikipedia WUTV Will be brodcasting on 29.2 The Cool TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheCoolTV) sometime this spring. It's supposed to have music videos. I wonder if TWC will offer this network or will it be OTA only.

We'll see what programing they half on June 12.

If you check the "OTA Station Status:Buffalo, Rochester NY" over at DHC you'll see that there has been a bit of speculation on that.

OK... what's DHC?

OK... what's DHC?

It's Digital Home Canada. I will post the url to the thread over there. Hopefully the mods wont pull it. Sometimes they get anal about referring to competing websites.
Anyways here it is,

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=108371&page=122

check the last post on the page and continue from there for a couple of more pages.

thanks for the info

I was just on the This TV website & it says for Buffalo & Rochester "Coming Soon". I hope they use WNGS when it comes back on the air. I also signed up to receive more information about the networks availability in our area and will post it here when i receive it.

It's about time somebody purchased WNGS. In the news article it says Half of Batavia will get it.:) I'm wondering which half will get it. Probably the West Half and i live in the SE part of Batavia so i can only get it from TWC. We'll see what programing they half on June 12.

I just noticed on Wikipedia WUTV Will be brodcasting on 29.2 The Cool TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheCoolTV) sometime this spring. It's supposed to have music videos. I wonder if TWC will offer this network or will it be OTA only.

Although the article says the station will be based in Clarence, I'm sure it's just referring to the studio. The transmitter will continue to be located just north of Springville, providing required coverage to its community of license. The station's broadcast pattern is predicted to be thus - http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwngs - which is the coverage described in the article. It probably won't change much, as the FCC would be highly unlikely to move the only full-service station licensed to Springville. Any transmitter move would have to guarantee top coverage to Springville.

I'm afraid Batavia will be on the fringe of its coverage. Forget indoor antennas - an attic or rooftop antenna will probably be required. Hopefully, the station won't be plagued with the same reception issues that other RF channel 7 stations have experienced.

When you have time, what about that physical versus virtual channel thing? I haven't run an antenna for HD in over a year. Should I expect the signals to change when/if I do?

I'll pick up this question.

As far as I know, all the Buffalo market TV stations run virtual channels that map to their old analog assignments.

WGRZ is 2.1 (etc.), WIVB is 4.1, WKBW is 7.1 and so forth.

You don't need to even know what the real, underlying RF channel is...the tuner and/or converter box "does the math" for you.

The only reason you might need to know is for antenna purposes. IIRC, all the old traditional VHF stations in the Buffalo market are on UHF frequencies, so UHF antennas pick them up best.

On the other hand, the newly revived WNGS will actually be on RF channel 7, so a VHF antenna would pick it up best. As the TVFool plot above shows, it'll show up as 67.1, 67 being its former analog channel. 67 got RF 7 when WKBW kept its UHF RF channel, which still shows up as 7.1 (etc.).

I'll let others tell you about the kinds of antennas you'd need, depending on where you are, etc...

I had a feeling WNGS would be using RF 7 beceause that's what they have listed on Wikipedia. I throught WKBW Owned RF 7 & wouldn't let anybody use it. Only One of my TV's uses an indoors antenna & it gets WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW (Weak Signal at Night, No Signal all other times) WNLO (WEAK), WUHF (Fox in Rochester, Weak) WNYO (Weak daytime) WPXJ (Very Strong, Almost Overloaded Once). The other tv's have TWC so they will get WNGS even if the indoors antenna doesn't.

Although the article says the station will be based in Clarence, I'm sure it's just referring to the studio.More of a mailing address than anything else. )FCC legal technicality.)
Nothing is where it says it is. :rolleyes:

I just found information for WNGS on the FCC's Website & it says they are currently using RF 7 for Digital TV & the Virtual Channel Number will still be 67. Here is a link to the information i found.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_det.pl?Facility_id=9088

I had a feeling WNGS would be using RF 7 beceause that's what they have listed on Wikipedia. I throught WKBW Owned RF 7 & wouldn't let anybody use it.

Nope. WKBW decided to stay on UHF. IIRC, at the time that decision was made for post-transition, WNGS was in its relationship as a quasi-sister station to WKBW, and picking up RF 7 became natural.

There are as many errors in the FCC's database as there were in the previous 28 years in Washington.

I just noticed I'm getting a signal from WNGS. Are they broadcasting anything yet? I need to move the antenna to pull it in better but the HDHomerun is getting a weak signal.

I just noticed I'm getting a signal from WNGS. Are the broadcasting anything yet? I need to move the antenna to pull it in better but the HDHomerun is getting a weak signal.

Wouldn't be surprised. Daystar has just until June 12th to put the thing on the air for the new owners...

Physical channel number? What are you seeing?

I was getting partial signal lock a few times last night on physical 7. When it locked I saw virtual 67.1 .2 .3 Windows Media Center showed a signal strength of about 60% on my Hauppauge tuner. I tried watching but all I got was a blank screen. I'm not seeing anything coming through right now

Their signal is NOT coming from the SE (Colden), but south of the City of Buffalo at the same level as I receive CBLFT 24.1 from Toronto at -13dbmV. To put that in perspective, my reception of CBLT is -4 and CFTO is at -18.

I would speculate reception should disappear north of Erie County, You won't be missing anything (so far) since it is Daystar. :rolleyes: 7.1 & 7.2 was the same programming. 7.3 looked like this;

(They changed the way attachments are displayed :) )

I'm not scrambling to get it right now until I hear if they have any new plans. On another note, I built two reflectorless Gray-Hoverman antennas. I can't believe how well these are performing. I can get Rochester and Buffalo on one antenna now. I have the second pointed between Toronto and Hamilton and I get CBLT, CFTO, CHCH, Omni2 and all of the Toronto analog channels. I should be set up well for when Canada goes all digital.

I just noticed I'm getting a signal from WNGS. Are they broadcasting anything yet? I need to move the antenna to pull it in better but the HDHomerun is getting a weak signal.

I did a channel scan on my Digital to Analog Converter Box & it didn't find WNGS with the 50db amplified indoors antenna. I can't type the Physical Channel number into it beceause it goes to WKBW when i type channel 7 into the remote. How far away are you from the WNGS Tower & what direction is your antenna facing. If anybody tells me to get an outdoors antenna I'd rather pay TW to connect that tv to Cable & wait for them to add WNGS to their lineup. The last time i used an outdoors antenna a wind storm of 50 & higher damaged the antenna where it goes into the motor & it fell into my driveway. I think that happened 10-15 years ago but i don't remember the exact day or year it happened but i still have the Mount & the motor on my roof but all the wiring & the antenna is gone.

I can't type the Physical Channel number into it beceause it goes to WKBW when i type channel 7 into the remote. The problem with WPXJ and now WNGS (to a lessor extent) is conflicting channel numbers courtesy of the NAB & the FCC with their damn 'virtual' channel number system.

If you try to add physical channel 23 (WPJX) to a channel map that already has virtual channel 23 (WNLO), it may not 'see' that number since it is already taken. Same goes for virtual channel 7 since WKBW has that number. Some tuners will allow a separate 'add' function, either as a single entry or a additional scan that may work.

If that doesn't, you will have to do a full rescan, without 'seeing' WNLO on Grand Island on the 1st scan so WPJX will get ID'ed as virtual channel 51 before WNLO gets ID'ed as channel 23 blocking WPJX from being added. The situation is less of a problem with WNGS since their physical channel number is in the VHF high band and will be seen as virtual channel 67 before WKBW is seen as virtual channel 7. :o

Hope that made sense.

I can't type the Physical Channel number into it beceause it goes to WKBW when i type channel 7 into the remote.

This might work for you. Enter 7-2. It works on my Artec converter box. The way it works is that the first thing the box does is check to see if there is a 7-2 in the list of virtual channels. If it is not there it will then scan the actual frequency for the rf channel itself, in this case rf7.
Once it scans it and assuming there is enough signal it will come up as 67.1, probably.

I hope that helps. Also let us know how it goes.

Also, there's a new thread over at DHC on people trying to tune in the signal. More info available.

WNGS-DT Back OTA In Buffalo, NY Area - VHF Channel 7
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=124973

That does make sense & i get both WPXJ & WNLO OTA just fine. My Converter Box has an add function but it shows the virtual channel numbers instead of the Physical Channel Numbers so i don't know if i can add physical channel 7 with a virtual channel 7 allready on the list.

That does make sense & i get both WPXJ & WNLO OTA just fine. My Converter Box has an add function but it shows the virtual channel numbers instead of the Physical Channel Numbers so i don't know if i can add physical channel 7 with a virtual channel 7 allready on the list.

You should be able to. What box do you have? Can you try it right now?

P.S. - your box should also have a signal meter. So, after you enter 7-2 check the signal level.

P.S.2 - It is no problem doing the add channel in your situation. What you are doing by entering 7-2 is checking if there us enough signal to map the channel. If there is then you can check if the channel has been added to the virtual channel list by first going to another channel that is strong such as 23. Then enter 67. If it was added automatically then you will get the channel back. If not then you will have to use the add channel feature to manually add it.

You should be able to. What box do you have? Can you try it right now?

P.S. - your box should also have a signal meter. So, after you enter 7-2 check the signal level.

P.S.2 - It is no problem doing the add channel in your situation. What you are doing by entering 7-2 is checking if there us enough signal to map the channel. If there is then you can check if the channel has been added to the virtual channel list by first going to another channel that is strong such as 23. Then enter 67. If it was added automatically then you will get the channel back. If not then you will have to use the add channel feature to manually add it.

I typed 7-2 into my Magnavox Converter Box & i got a message saying No Signal. The Signal Strength is around 20 beceause that is one of the weak channels i get OTA. I went to the virtual channel list & added 67 to it but i got no signal so i removed it & WKBW so i could add Physical Channel 7 & i got no signal again. Then i did a channel scan & it found WGRZ (Signal 40), WIVB(Signal 40), WKBW(Signal 20), WNLO(Signal 20), WNYO(Signal 30), WPXJ(Signal 90+).

I typed 7-2 into my Magnavox Converter Box & i got a message saying No Signal. The Signal Strength is around 20 beceause that is one of the weak channels i get OTA. I went to the virtual channel list & added 67 to it but i got no signal so i removed it & WKBW so i could add Physical Channel 7 & i got no signal again. Then i did a channel scan & it found WGRZ (Signal 40), WIVB(Signal 40), WKBW(Signal 20), WNLO(Signal 20), WNYO(Signal 30), WPXJ(Signal 90+).

Hi:

I had seen that you logged off after your previous answer so I thought that you had left the thread or I would have checked to get back to you sooner. First of all, you have really low numbers for your location. I think I remembered you said that you used rabbit ears or somesuch.

Now you said that when you entered 7-2 it came back with "no signal". You then said that the signal strength is around 20 which is very weak. Assuming that you were still on 7-2 then what the box meant by "no signal" is not enough signal to capture the station and display it. At that point you should have taken the antenna and moved it around to see if you could increase the signal level enough for the box to actually capture it. By monitoring the signal level meter while moving the antenna you are trying to maximize the signal. Give that a shot and see if it works.

Also, it's time to think of bettering your antenna situation. Most of the stations you listed I am receiving with way better than you are and i'm north of toronto. I am using an antenna in my attic.

Hi:

I had seen that you logged off after your previous answer so I thought that you had left the thread or I would have checked to get back to you sooner. First of all, you have really low numbers for your location. I think I remembered you said that you used rabbit ears or somesuch.

Now you said that when you entered 7-2 it came back with "no signal". You then said that the signal strength is around 20 which is very weak. Assuming that you were still on 7-2 then what the box meant by "no signal" is not enough signal to capture the station and display it. At that point you should have taken the antenna and moved it around to see if you could increase the signal level enough for the box to actually capture it. By monitoring the signal level meter while moving the antenna you are trying to maximize the signal. Give that a shot and see if it works.

Also, it's time to think of bettering your antenna situation. Most of the stations you listed I am receiving with way better than you are and i'm north of toronto. I am using an antenna in my attic.

Hi,

Sorry i coudn't respond yesterday, the humidity got to my Computer & Froze Internet Explorer everytime i opened it so i coudn't use my computer for a while. If you post a response i'll see it tonight or tomorrow morning.

I tried moving the antenna around & it made all but WPXJ, WIVB & WGRZ go to No Signal. You are right i use a 50db Indoors Amplified Antenna in my bedroom & my tv's on the first floor are connected to digital cable. I may get a new outlet installed for my bedroom tv so i can get a better reception for the channels i currently get OTA. Would that be cheaper than an outdoors antenna?

I tried moving the antenna around & it made all but WPXJ, WIVB & WGRZ go to No Signal. You are right i use a 50db Indoors Amplified Antenna in my bedroom & my tv's on the first floor are connected to digital cable. I may get a new outlet installed for my bedroom tv so i can get a better reception for the channels i currently get OTA. Would that be cheaper than an outdoors antenna?

If you mean run a line for digital cable up to your bedroom that depends. If they don't require you to rent a little box then that would probably be best. Especially if they give you the little box for free. Since your using a converter box then that means that your tv doesn't have a qam tuner. That means that if they don't give you the box for free then long term it's better to do an antenna install. You don't necessarily need to do an outside install to get good results. I have an attic install and I reliably get all the US and Canadian stations except WNYB and ION and i'm north of Toronto. WUTV also gives me some trouble and WNGS is to weak at this time to even see, but it's still to early to know what's going on with them.

Now, I assume you have a rabbit ears antenna. If that is the case then the two poles that you pull out are for VHF. WNGS is a VHF station on rf channel 7 and the only VHF station in the Buffalo market. So you would pull the poles out all the way and direct them to maximize the signal from WNGS. The part in the middle that usually looks like a hoop
is for UHF. All the rest of the stations in the buffalo market are on UHF. Don't be too bummed out if you can't get WNGS at this time. They are probably at really low power at this time and may increase power in the future.


You said that you're using your antenna in your bedroom for your bedroom tv. Therefore the cable run should be really short, probably around 15 ft or so. In this case the amplifier should be turned off or set at a really low level if it has a variable boost switch. The amplifier is only employed when you have a long cable run. I have 2 antenna's in my attic. One of them is a set amplified rabbit ears. I use this for my analog locals. It has a 75 ft cable run to a splitter which then has 2 runs of 15 ft. This is the kind of situation where you turn the amplifier all the way up.


For your UHF stations you said that you tried moving the antenna around but lost all signal on some stations. What you could do is to enter the channel number of one of your weak channels and bring up the signal level meter and move to antenna around to see if you can maximize it for that station. What would be better is to do this in your attic as the extra height would help. The reason I say this is because i'm 75 to 100 miles from your stations and i'm getting them with an antenna and preamp in my attic. Since your closer I am confident that an attic install would work for you.

I hope that helps.

If you mean run a line for digital cable up to your bedroom that depends. If they don't require you to rent a little box then that would probably be best. Especially if they give you the little box for free. Since your using a converter box then that means that your tv doesn't have a qam tuner. That means that if they don't give you the box for free then long term it's better to do an antenna install. You don't necessarily need to do an outside install to get good results. I have an attic install and I reliably get all the US and Canadian stations except WNYB and ION and i'm north of Toronto. WUTV also gives me some trouble and WNGS is to weak at this time to even see, but it's still to early to know what's going on with them.

Now, I assume you have a rabbit ears antenna. If that is the case then the two poles that you pull out are for VHF. WNGS is a VHF station on rf channel 7 and the only VHF station in the Buffalo market. So you would pull the poles out all the way and direct them to maximize the signal from WNGS. The part in the middle that usually looks like a hoop
is for UHF. All the rest of the stations in the buffalo market are on UHF. Don't be too bummed out if you can't get WNGS at this time. They are probably at really low power at this time and may increase power in the future.


You said that you're using your antenna in your bedroom for your bedroom tv. Therefore the cable run should be really short, probably around 15 ft or so. In this case the amplifier should be turned off or set at a really low level if it has a variable boost switch. The amplifier is only employed when you have a long cable run. I have 2 antenna's in my attic. One of them is a set amplified rabbit ears. I use this for my analog locals. It has a 75 ft cable run to a splitter which then has 2 runs of 15 ft. This is the kind of situation where you turn the amplifier all the way up.


For your UHF stations you said that you tried moving the antenna around but lost all signal on some stations. What you could do is to enter the channel number of one of your weak channels and bring up the signal level meter and move to antenna around to see if you can maximize it for that station. What would be better is to do this in your attic as the extra height would help. The reason I say this is because i'm 75 to 100 miles from your stations and i'm getting them with an antenna and preamp in my attic. Since your closer I am confident that an attic install would work for you.

I hope that helps.

If i decided to get cable in my bedroom i woudn't get a box beceause i can get Ch. 2-78 with the built in analog only tuner. My Attic is too small for an antenna install but i could move the indoors antenna to the attic & have a long cable run to the bedroom tv but their is no power outlet in the attic so i would have to put one in or get a long extention cord. WNGS is probably on very low power so when they start brodcasting i'll try moving the poles on the antenna & see if WNGS will come in. I tried moving the antenna to different hights & spots just to see what will happen to the signal strength & WKBW, WNLO went out. WGRZ & WIVB got weaker & WPXJ stayded the same beceause i'm very close to that broadcast tower. I also turned down the amplifier & all the stations except for WPXJ were no signal so i put it back on max.

Does anyone have a list of which channels TWC uses SDV on?

I'm going to be getting CableCARDs finally in my TiVo Series3 and I'll be getting a SDV Adapter from them too but want to know which channels to test to make sure the SDV Adapter is working.

Does anyone have a list of which channels TWC uses SDV on?

I'm going to be getting CableCARDs finally in my TiVo Series3 and I'll be getting a SDV Adapter from them too but want to know which channels to test to make sure the SDV Adapter is working.

Most of the HD Channels are SDV so when you get the cable card & SDV Adapter installed look at all the HD Channels & if you get them all you know your SDV Adapter is working.

I just read on Wikipedia WNGS is back on the air as a daystar affiliate. It also says when the sale is final WNGS is required to brodcast Daystar as a sub channel for at least 10 years. I hope TWC starts carrying WNGS soon. Here are two coverage maps i found.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1360677.html

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dWNGS

If you look at the coverage map, the xmitter location is not where the maximum signal is. One or two miles SW, the signal is reported to be "very weak" while 10-15 miles NE it is reported to be "very strong".

They're using a highly directional antenna, however, I think there's something wrong with that map. I know that at some point they filed to relocate to a different tower, and so I assume that's what's going on here. One of the two elements (colors or location marker) is reflecting the new tower site, while the other is reflecting the old tower site.

- Trip

Any news on when the cool tv - sub channel will be live on WUTV ?

I think there's something wrong with that map.Gee, do you think? :eek: I'd say so. That's why I'm not a fan of TV Fool and their 'calculated' guesses.

I have never been there, but I'm guessing this is/was it. The 'tower' looks as it was a windmill or base of a water tower. The 219 expressway is to the right, the Village of Springville is 5 miles to the SE;

They're using a highly directional antenna, however, I think there's something wrong with that map. I know that at some point they filed to relocate to a different tower, and so I assume that's what's going on here. One of the two elements (colors or location marker) is reflecting the new tower site, while the other is reflecting the old tower site.


It looks like the pointer is on their licensed transmitter location, but the signal pattern map reflects an application that they had to change location and move to channel 46. That application was filed in 1999 and dismissed in 2008.

TV Fool has corrected the WNGS map.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dwngs

Is WNGS actually back up, and is anyone getting them? All I see above is a reference to a Wikipedia article and alleged coverage maps.

Looks like Daystar is getting the KOCE special with this!

Answering my own questions courtesy of Scott Fybush's NERW - yes, they are up, running Daystar on the main 67-1 channel until WNGS shifts to the new ownership and Daystar takes the subchannel:

http://www.fybush.com/NERW/2010/100524/nerw.html

Dont believe coverage map is accurate.Only have received it during tropo.activity.Even with my old VHF antenna it wont lock midday.Analog 7 used to be near perfect.Analog 67 only came in during tropo.They need to move to a real tower to provide proper coverage.

Is WNGS actually back up, and is anyone getting them? If you read back a page or so, you would have your answer.They need to move to a real tower to provide proper coverage.I don't know why anyone is getting all excited for, considering the type of programming they have, or don't have. There is already way too much bandwidth wasted for that already. (Unless something of some real value is added that doesn't involve panhandling for money.)

WNGS should move to a Different Tower so they can get better coverage. In Feburary 2009 before i got cable my Indoors Antenna received Analog Ch. 7 with little or no static in Batavia. Only my Bedroom TV uses an Indoors Antenna since their's no cable outlet in that room & i don't get anything on RF 7. IF the new owners of WNGS moved to a different tower they would get better coverage. They will most likely have the same coverage they allways had.

Has anyone done a search for WPXJ on TWC yet for the physical channel number?

If ur talking about the HD version via Qam- It's been pushed out till 6/28
I picked up tnt via twc qam last night- Is that normal?

Thanks, I hate to do a full rescan for one station if someone else found it first. :o
Yes,
No, just lucky. It won't last.

If ur talking about the HD version via Qam- It's been pushed out till 6/28
I picked up tnt via twc qam last night- Is that normal?

Where did you hear about WPXJ HD goes on QAM 6/28? The only way to see TNT on Clear QAM is when somebody with a box in your area is using start over. TW doesn't scramble start over & some of their On Demand Programing beceause my den tv finds them whenever i do a channel scan.

It doesnt say it will be avail via qam - I'm just speculating it will though -due to it being a local station -

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%206-15-10.pdf

It doesnt say it will be avail via qam - I'm just speculating it will though -due to it being a local station -

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%206-15-10.pdf

It Probably will be Clear QAM beceause it's a Local Channel. I wonder if WPXJ HD will be added to the Batavia System beceause that Legal Notice is only Buffalo Systems.

It looks like the pointer is on their licensed transmitter location, but the signal pattern map reflects an application that they had to change location and move to channel 46. That application was filed in 1999 and dismissed in 2008.

WNGS transmitter is on the WKBW tower in Colden. VHF ch 7 Antenna was installed apx 2 months ago . this is from My buddy Clint the engineer! No way they would hit Lockport from the old 180' tower in springville. Erp is still low but HAAT is much better. with antennas pointing at Toronto i get about 80%

WNGS transmitter is on the WKBW tower in Colden. VHF ch 7 Antenna was installed apx 2 months ago . this is from My buddy Clint the engineer! No way they would hit Lockport from the old 180' tower in springville. Erp is still low but HAAT is much better. with antennas pointing at Toronto i get about 80%

When WNGS used the Springville Tower their OTA Signals was limited to the springville area. Now that they are using WKBW's Tower they can get most of WNY. I wonder when WNGS will Return to Cable?

As I understand it they brought up the transmitter on WKBW's tower as a temporary measure to save the license. The eventual location will be in the Boston Hills area. The signal will hit Time Warner's head end and they are probably counting on that to reach WNY viewers.

Is there an updated coverage map anywhere? I tried to find it a couple times, but no luck. I used to get analog wkbw easily.

Is there an updated coverage map anywhere? I tried to find it a couple times, but no luck. I used to get analog wkbw easily.

The Coverage Maps on TVFool.com & FCC.gov says Rochester Can't receive WNGS. They Currently broadcast Daystar network which is available on TW Digital Cable & Satellite.

As I understand it they brought up the transmitter on WKBW's tower as a temporary measure to save the license. The eventual location will be in the Boston Hills area. The signal will hit Time Warner's head end and they are probably counting on that to reach WNY viewers.

It sounds Like WNGS is using WKBW's Tower until the new one in the Boston Hills area is up & Running. I throught TWC had a Fiber Optics Connection with WNGS? If that's true why are they planning to receive WNGS OTA?

Try the FCC's Website or TVFool.com

Or use RabbitEars (my site).

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1360677&map=Y

- Trip

It sounds Like WNGS is using WKBW's Tower until the new one in the Boston Hills area is up & Running. I throught TWC had a Fiber Optics Connection with WNGS? If that's true why are they planning to receive WNGS OTA?

Fiber and the related equipment can fail. OTA is used as a backup. (Edited to add) If indeed they do have a fiber connection to T-W and/or FIOS. Where is the current studio?

I think WNGS may not be added to TW until they can setup a fiber connection with the studio. I wonder what the new owners will broadcast on WNGS. I allready know Daystar gets 67.2 but what will be on 67.1?

I just noticed WKBW re activated www.wngstv.com & www.rtn11.com but they go to WKBW.com

Or use RabbitEars (my site).

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1360677&map=Y

- Trip

Thanks. Is this current? Are they at lower power than WKBW used to be?

Thanks. Is this current? Are they at lower power than WKBW used to be?

Maybe. Before i switched to cable i got WKBW on Analog 7 with no problems. Now that WNGS is on RF 7 my bedroom tv can't get anything on RF 7. That proves they are on Lower Power than analog 7.

Thanks. Is this current? Are they at lower power than WKBW used to be?

Yes, it's current. They're at a roughly equivalent power level depending on who you ask (you can't do apples-to-apples with digital-to-analog) but are 700 feet lower down, which makes a huge difference in coverage.

- Trip

Yes, it's current. They're at a roughly equivalent power level depending on who you ask (you can't do apples-to-apples with digital-to-analog) but are 700 feet lower down, which makes a huge difference in coverage.

- Trip

Lower? D'oh! Thanks for the info... keep waiting for ThisTV to come on in Rochester, was hoping they'd have it....or seomthing similar

The New WNGS tower better be at the normal feet above the ground. I think their currently 700 Feet below normal beceause the Tower they are currently using is owned & operated by WKBW.

If you read back a page or so, you would have your answer.

I must have missed that, sorry. (Just looked back, and I did miss it. I think it skipped in my new message scan. I would have remembered that attachment. :D)

As I corrected my own message, I saw a reference that it was back up.

I'm not at all excited about whatever programming it has, even if I visit WNY with my portable digiTV set, but how RF 7 is getting out for it.

Re: WPXJ - its sister down here, WVPX/23 Akron (Cleveland market ION O&O) is on TWC clear QAM on its over-air channel number, 23.1. (No, none of the subs made it, as far as I know.)

23.1 was added not long after WVPX went HD.

Why would WNGS not have their antenna near the top of the WKBW tower?Could they not just have used WKBW old analog omni antenna?Height is more important than the extra power that a directional antenna would provide.Not a good way to start a new station having the weakest signal and the only station in the VHF band.

rob50312;
1. It's not their tower. renters take a back seat to the owner.
2. I believe WKBW's old analog antenna was just that, old.
3. In spite of what has been recently posted here, I still receive them south, not SE of my location, which still puts them where they were, outside of Springville.

rob50312;
1. It's not their tower. renters take a back seat to the owner.
2. I believe WKBW's old analog antenna was just that, old.
3. In spite of what has been recently posted here, I still receive them south, not SE of my location, which still puts them where they were, outside of Springville.The photo of WKBW's tower on necrat.us http://www.necrat.us/wkbw_protv.html shows the top mount antenna is a dual 7/38 antenna and maybe WNGS has pattern or other restrictions against operating omnidirectional from this location to which their side mount antenna conforms.

When were those photos taken?
Just because it's there doesn't mean it is on line. Are you saying WKBW's analog xmitter has been retrofitted for WNGS?

I wouldn't exactly call that a "cool" sign (with the hole in the middle that reflects the stations owners).

When were those photos taken?
Just because it's there doesn't mean it is on line. Are you saying WKBW's analog xmitter has been retrofitted for WNGS?

I wouldn't exactly call that a "cool" sign (with the hole in the middle that reflects the stations owners).Nice try, but I DID NOT SAY that WKBW's analog xmitter has been retrofitted for WNGS. What I DID SAY was that WKBW's tower has a top mounted dual antenna for chs. 7 and 38 (because some poster was angry that WNGS did not mount their new ch.7 antenna on the top). I would make the assumption that WKBW is still transmitting on DTV ch.38 from this top mounted antenna. I also suggested that WNGS has protection or other requirements in certain direction(s) which would prohibit their using the ch.7 portion of the top mounted antenna. (Of course, that is assuming that WKBW would agree to sharing their ch.38 antenna with WNGS.) Wouldn't WKBW obviously elect to keep their ch.38 antenna at the top as opposed to removing so WNGS could have that spot?

All that equipment looks fairly new and what a waste not to use it for digital 7 WNGS from the top.I dont see why their would be any restrictions to using 7 omni from the top.WKBW has used it for years and there nothing to south,west,east.There is transitional digital 7 in Kitchener ON but I think at this point will not even be used and is more 160km away.CTV will likely just flash cut back to 13 for digital.

Just so everyone clear the actual height of the antenna above sea level is acheived by adding the 2 numbers in the picture together.Yes thats 2800 feet above sea level or 2450 feet above Lake Ontario for people in GTA.FCC site says its 2770 feet.Which is why I have line of site 139km away from the tower.

I believe WNGS is using the old WNGS tower near Springville when they broadcast on ch-67. Anyone know if they are building a new tower anywhere further north and higher up?

Does anybody got any new information about WNGS? Havn't heard anything about it in a while.

WNYO off the air? I get all my other normal Buffalo channels, but not a blip out of 49..

was just wondering about wnyo. Yesterday two of my tv's which always get it at 100% are pulling it in at 30% and 80%

FWIW; TWC supposedly has WPXJ HD available. Virtual channel 712.
Anyone want to do a rescan for the physical channel number?

Sorry for the OT post... anyone else have a TiVo Series3 with 2 CableCards?

Time Warner is charging me $2.50 per card plus an additional $2.00 (I think) for "programming" or something on the SECOND card.

Is this because TW incorrectly thinks the 2nd card is in a second device/outlet in my home? If so, if they understand it's in ONE device, can they waive that?

I seem to recall reading something along those lines.

Sorry for the OT post... anyone else have a TiVo Series3 with 2 CableCards?

Time Warner is charging me $2.50 per card plus an additional $2.00 (I think) for "programming" or something on the SECOND card.

Is this because TW incorrectly thinks the 2nd card is in a second device/outlet in my home? If so, if they understand it's in ONE device, can they waive that?

I seem to recall reading something along those lines.

You can get a Multi-Stream Cable Card from TW instead of having 2 Regular Cable Cards. It's the same thing as having 2 Cable Cards & your only paying for one card.

FWIW; TWC supposedly has WPXJ HD available. Virtual channel 712.
Anyone want to do a rescan for the physical channel number?

In Batavia WPXJ HD is on channel 1051. I'll do a channel scan on my other tv later today & get the physical channel number.

You can get a Multi-Stream Cable Card from TW instead of having 2 Regular Cable Cards. It's the same thing as having 2 Cable Cards & your only paying for one card.


Not with a Series3 TiVo model. It requires 2 cards, MCard or not.

Not with a Series3 TiVo model. It requires 2 cards, MCard or not.

Why would your Tivo need 2 MCards when one MCard is the same thing as 2 SCards? The Reason why you are paying for 2 cable cards is beceause they make you pay for each one.

Why would your Tivo need 2 MCards when one MCard is the same thing as 2 SCards? The Reason why you are paying for 2 cable cards is beceause they make you pay for each one.

The Series3 came out before MCards existed. If you put an MCard in a Series3 it only works as an SCard. The Series3 requires 2 cards.

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/136

I understand paying for 2 cards. $2.50 each. I'm fine with that.

But I'm ALSO getting charged ANOTHER $2 for the second card (they specifically told me it was for the 2nd card) as an "programming fee" or something. I think that's like another "outlet fee" probably because they don't understand both cards are in a single device.

The Series3 came out before MCards existed. If you put an MCard in a Series3 it only works as an SCard. The Series3 requires 2 cards.

http://support.tivo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/136

I understand paying for 2 cards. $2.50 each. I'm fine with that.

But I'm ALSO getting charged ANOTHER $2 for the second card (they specifically told me it was for the 2nd card) as an "programming fee" or something. I think that's like another "outlet fee" probably because they don't understand both cards are in a single device.

Now i understand why your Tivo Needs 2 cards. It has 2 Tuners & each one needs it's own Cable Card. The additional $2 fee is probably for digital programming on the 2nd cable card. You may not be able to get rid of that. It won't hurt to ask Time Warner about it.

Since no one posted this, WPXJ HD is TWC 92.4.

Has anyone had problems with KPXC Channel 59 (ION Tele), about 8 weeks ago I lost the signal, last weekend I attempted to “fine tune” my antenna aiming but was unable to re-acquire the signal (UHF 43).

Has anyone had problems with KPXC Channel 59 (ION Tele), about 8 weeks ago I lost the signal, last weekend I attempted to “fine tune” my antenna aiming but was unable to re-acquire the signal (UHF 43).

You are in the wrong forum beceause your Location is Outside New York State so i would ask people who are in your area for help.

I don't want to go too off topic here so I'll just ask for help.

If anyone has CableCARDs from Time Warner on a TiVo in the area can you PM me? I'm having one particular remaining problem that I'm trying to troubleshoot and wondering if anyone else has it too.

Wondering if anyone has tried this before....

We have basic cable (CH 2-99) currently feeding two SD TV's. Just upgraded one TV to full 1080p Plasma (Panny G25). I would like to get TWC Digital Cable service to take advantage of all the HD content (yes I know I can get some HD via QAM but it is limited to a handful of stations). I intent to feed the STB the cable, after splitter, that is going to my 1080p tv. Will I still be able to get the basic cable feed to my SD TV? My guess is that I will (as also stated by a TWC rep at their store) but I owuld like to know if anyone has had any real experience with this sort of connection or has any input they could share. Thanks for the help.

Short answer: yes. One side to STB, the other to RF input of the TV. All of the local major stations are on TWC including WPXJ in HD except for Toronto which are only from analog feeds (CFTO & CBLT).

from the TW website notifications page - BBC America HD is plus for me

On or about August 28, 2010: WNYO DT2 MyCoolTV will be added to Ch 187 (digital equipment required)

On or about September 1, 2010: Time Warner Cable will be making technical changes to our cable system that may disrupt your ability to view the following unencrypted (“in-the-clear”) channels on a digital television or other device that includes a QAM tuner (a “Clear QAM device”):

WGRZ, Ch 2 WGRZ HD, Ch 702 WIVB, Ch 4
WIVB HD, Ch 704 WNLO, Ch 11 WNLO HD, Ch 711
PAX HD, Ch 712

(Customers using digital cable set-top boxes will not notice any change). If this occurs, you will need to go into the settings menu on your ClearQAM device and perform a new channel scan in order to resume viewing these channels. We apologize for any inconvenience.

On or about September 16, 2010: TWCSN HD will be added to Ch 713.
YNN Buffalo HD will be added to Ch 709. On or about October 1, 2010: Fox Sports Espanol will become Fox Deportes and will remain on Ch 286, Womans Max HD will be added to Ch 784, 5 Star Max HD will be added to Ch 828,
Outer Max HD will be added to Ch 829, MoreMaxHD will be added to Ch 830, @Max HD will be added to Ch 831, Encore HD will be added to Ch 761, BBC America HD will be added to Ch 860, Style HD will be added to Ch 889 on the Digital Basic Tier.

from the TW website notifications page - BBC America HD is plus for me


Can you give a link to the notifications page?

I wanted to get a copy of the changes they sent out in July about some other changes and I can't find it anywhere on their site.

I chatted with their cust support and they had no idea what I was talking about. They promised to email me the letter in 48 hours but it's been longer than that, big surprise!

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%208-1-10.pdf

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%208-1-10.pdf

But what page is that on? Are there previous notices there also?

I'm looking for a notice they sent to my home in July. I know it mentioned moving a few channels.

I'm having trouble again with some SDV channels and I'm trying to figure out if these are the ones that are going to move because that may indicate they've done some steps out of order which screwed up my SDV Tuning Adapter.

sorry - no sign of previous notifications

But what page is that on? Are there previous notices there also?

I'm looking for a notice they sent to my home in July. I know it mentioned moving a few channels.

I'm having trouble again with some SDV channels and I'm trying to figure out if these are the ones that are going to move because that may indicate they've done some steps out of order which screwed up my SDV Tuning Adapter.
Is thsi the notice you are looking for??
http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%207-1-10.pdf

Whomever types their legal notices really needs to learn how to format. Close to impossible to read it with everything run together.

Correctly formatted as follows;
On or about August 3, in the Buffalo line up:

The new services listed below cannot be accessed by CableCARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional, two-way capable equipment: None at this time.

HGTV will reposition from Ch 67 to Ch 58,
E! Entertainment will reposition from Ch 68 to Ch 64,
Bravo will reposition from Ch 69 to Ch 54,
TV Guide, Chs 54 & 5 will reposition to Ch 186 (subscription to digital basic tier & equipment required),
CSPAN2, Ch 99 will reposition to Ch 261 (subscription to standard cable tier and digital equipment required,
Travel Ch will reposition from Ch 64 to Ch 262, digital equipment required,
CMT will reposition from Ch 58 to Ch 263, digital equipment required I love how they are charging extra for TVGuide & CSpan2. :rolleyes:

Is thsi the notice you are looking for??
http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/Buffalo%20Legal%20Notice%207-1-10.pdf

Thanks, but I don't think so. That notice says that no SDV channels are added (it's at the end, "None at this time" for Unidirectional CableCARD devices).

The notice I got specifically listed some channels that were going to SDV.

The channel that caused me to wonder about this was StyleHD which is appearing in my TiVo guide but not accessible. But I've since found out that channel isn't offered yet. I thought it was a SDV problem but I think it's just an issue of a channel being added to the guide too soon.

I just heard from the rochester, ny forum Verizon Fios stoped expanding their coverage. It that true beceause i was hoping they would bring it to batavia since i currently get home phone & web access from verizon.

I just heard from the rochester, ny forum Verizon Fios stoped expanding their coverage. It that true beceause i was hoping they would bring it to batavia since i currently get home phone & web access from verizon.

Read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2010-03-26-verizon-fios_N.htm

Read this:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2010-03-26-verizon-fios_N.htm

Thanks for finding that article. Looks Like i won't be getting Fios since verizon stopped expanding their network. If TW ever increases their rates again my only other option would be a satellite dish.

it is not working on securing franchises for any major urban areasCherry picking. :mad:
Again, read my sig!

I just heard from the rochester, ny forum Verizon Fios stoped expanding their coverage. It that true beceause i was hoping they would bring it to batavia since i currently get home phone & web access from verizon.

FiOS has an odd distribution pattern. Perhaps it's driven by franchise agreements (I believe Verizon tried to get the state to exempt them from per municipality franchise negotiation) although the article suggests telephone service is more profitable -- hard to believe given Verizon's efforts to sell off phone systems.

I suspect if you want FiOS (broadband or television) you'll need to move somewhere it's already available.

I suspect if you want FiOS (broadband or television) you'll need to move somewhere it's already available.

I'm not moving just to get fios tv (allready have DSL & Phone from Verizon). I'll keep my digital cable service for the moment & hope the rates don't go up again. If they do i'll switch to dish.

I've been seeing the Roll Over or Get Tough Commercials on tv & the radio a lot so i went to that site & this is what i found.

Time Warner Cable is currently negotiating how much we will pay The Walt Disney Company for their channels. Disney is the corporate owner of ABC, ESPN and the Disney cable networks. We expect to reach a new agreement so we can bring you Disney’s sports, news and entertainment programming at a reasonable price for years to come.

On the radio it says twc may be forced to pull these networks around September 2nd if they don't make a new agreement. They better make a new agreement or i'll be very angry with twc & demand they put ESPN back on their system or i'll switch to dish network.

I kept seeing a ton of little pixelation all through the 10 PM Seinfeld today on WUTV. Is it something with my cable wire or is it something with the network?

EDIT: Actually noticed this was going on with CW and NBC also. It's probably this dumb school and their TV system being problem. What's odd is the CBS and ABC HD channels haven't got any problems.

I'm not moving just to get fios tv (allready have DSL & Phone from Verizon). I'll keep my digital cable service for the moment & hope the rates don't go up again. If they do i'll switch to dish.

I've been seeing the Roll Over or Get Tough Commercials on tv & the radio a lot so i went to that site & this is what i found.



On the radio it says twc may be forced to pull these networks around September 2nd if they don't make a new agreement. They better make a new agreement or i'll be very angry with twc & demand they put ESPN back on their system or i'll switch to dish network.

It RARELY comes to a channel being pulled. Deals are made at the last minute 99% of the time.

(yes, it happened here and in some other markets in 2008 with Time Warner losing WIVB but that was a very rare case)

And this also happens with Dish Network at times too. It just so happens it's TW's contract that is up this year, not Dish's (or DTV's or FiOS', or Comcast's...).

FiOS has an odd distribution pattern. Perhaps it's driven by franchise agreements (I believe Verizon tried to get the state to exempt them from per municipality franchise negotiation) although the article suggests telephone service is more profitable -- hard to believe given Verizon's efforts to sell off phone systems.

I suspect if you want FiOS (broadband or television) you'll need to move somewhere it's already available.

It's driven by franchise agreements, the ease/cost of installing the fiber in the area, the value of that area to them (ie: how many potential subscribers there are), etc.

That article is a little vague... does "no new expansion" mean they won't expand to that street over there in a town where they have service, or they won't move to that next town over where they have the rights to do business, or they won't attempt to sign new franchise agreements?

If your neighbor has it and you don't, I wouldn't lose ALL hope. If you live in an area that doesn't currently have a franchise agreement with them, then I'd say you're outta luck.

PS And yes, telephone margins are high. The cost of install/upkeep on that decades old (and solid) infrastructure isn't high and they don't have to pay any license agreements like they have to with the content providers with cable TV.

I wanted to share this in case it's useful to anyone else. Today I was able to get a list from TWC of all of the channels that they CURRENTLY use Switched Digital Video for IN THE CITY OF BUFFALO ONLY.

I knew it was a lot but it's good to have verification in case problems arise.

Here's the list: http://files.me.com/cwoody222/87qnj7

Their 'digital' channels are the same in each system unlike the legacy analog channels. That seems to be most of the 'digital' tier isn't it? Too bad the list wasn't the 'physical' channel since those numbers are all fictitious anyway and can change at a drop of a hat.

Their 'digital' channels are the same in each system unlike the legacy analog channels. That seems to be most of the 'digital' tier isn't it? Too bad the list wasn't the 'physical' channel since those numbers are all fictitious anyway and can change at a drop of a hat.

A friend in Hamburg has a TiVo (like me) but no SDV TA (unlike me). She only loses a small handful of channels.

So I think their SDV lineup varies greatly in the area.

I don't know what their rationale is exactly since there are little-viewed digital channels NOT on this list (SOAPNet?).

AFAIC, they have no "rationale".

If you guys are using SA equipment, go into the diagnostics page-37 and it will list how many channels are on SDV near the top left side of the page, a few lines down.

Check this out!

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/456533-Tribune_Launching_Classic_TV_Multicast_Network.php

Well, that soundz cool...speaking of cooltv...?
This would be good too :)

Cherry picking. :mad:
Again, read my sig!

:rolleyes: Or maybe it has to do with the insane upfront costs combined with current economic conditions.

Or maybe it has to do with the insane upfront costs combined with current economic conditions.They seem to have plenty of $$ for RF services and even more for their top elite.

Point is, they cherry picked affluent suburbs that are spread out over hells half acre instead of concentrating on densely populated areas loaded with customers who's main entertainment is TV, not county clubs. IOW's, more bang for the mile.

They seem to have plenty of $$ for RF services and even more for their top elite.

Point is, they cherry picked affluent suburbs that are spread out over hells half acre instead of concentrating on densely populated areas loaded with customers who's main entertainment is TV, not county clubs. IOW's, more bang for the mile.

There's a "FiOS installed here" sign on the corner of Elmwood and Lexington downtown. Since when is FiOS of any type available there?

I doubt it's TV but even if it's Internet that means the groundwork for TV is there. Or maybe the sign was just a joke :)

It's about a block from Verizon's switching station or whatever downtown.

That all said, and I'd love to see it downtown, they made a sound business decision to go after those who have the most disposable income. And that's not the City.

Forget about ever seeing FiOS TV anything in the City. I'm wired in N. Buffalo, but for City wide TV to happen, the whole City would have to be wired and it's obvious it will never happen unless some major changes take place. Other then the Elmwood and Main St. CO's, I don't know of any others that have been wired for the suburbs. Main St. is for Kenmore, the southern part of Tonawanda & SW Amherst. I'm not sure about the Hertel Ave. CO. But, I'm sure TWC is smiling. ;)

I would still like to know why they bothered with Elmwood Ave. unless that was their 'token' gesture towards the City.

Their stupid decision to wire Orchard Park and West Seneca first was just that. Homes spread out over hells half acre. The least 'bang for the mile'. They look at income, not density and not at where ones 'income' is disposed to.

Out of town suburbanites making clueless decisions as usual.

Looks like they started the changes around 5 last night. But the HD locals are now using channels like they were OTA

WGRZ went from 93.1 to 2.1 on my vizio
WIVB from 93.2 to 4.1
etc...

They tried doing this 6+ months ago and it didn't work and they reverted back. This should be interesting. :rolleyes:

All eight locals; WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW, WNED, WNLO, WNYO, WUTV & WPXJ (not quite local) scanned to their outdated analog numbers correctly on a '09 Sammy LCD. Their 'SD' versions are still active on their original physical channels (so far). No way of telling what their actual physical channel numbers are as of now w/o TS Reader and a connected QAM tuner card or USB stick.

Digital channels start at ch. 66, skip four and resume at ch. 71 up to 117.

WUTV & WNYO stayed were they were on 106,
WNLO & WPJX have moved to 112,
WKBW & WNED stayed were they were on 113,
WRGZ & WIVB have moved to 115.

Try entering just the whole physical channel number in you tuner for the four that moved to see if it will accept it. If so, you won't have to rescan. The four that didn't, your tuner should re-ID the numbers. Done.

If that doesn't work, try the full number, eg.: 112.1 for example.

Finally some decent additions to their HD lineup!

On or about October 7, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
National Geographic Wild HD on Ch 890, MTV HD on Ch 891, Comedy Central HD on Ch 892,
Nickelodeon HD on Ch 893, Spike HD on Ch 895.
On or about October 10, 2010:
Discovery Kids will become The Hub and will remain on Ch 101, The Hub HD will be added to Ch 763.
On or about October 14, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
CMT HD on Ch 896. Hallmark HD on Ch 897, VH-1 HD on Ch 898.

Finally some decent additions to their HD lineup!

On or about October 7, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
National Geographic Wild HD on Ch 890, MTV HD on Ch 891, Comedy Central HD on Ch 892,
Nickelodeon HD on Ch 893, Spike HD on Ch 895.
On or about October 10, 2010:
Discovery Kids will become The Hub and will remain on Ch 101, The Hub HD will be added to Ch 763.
On or about October 14, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
CMT HD on Ch 896. Hallmark HD on Ch 897, VH-1 HD on Ch 898.

Where'd you read that?

Those were supposed to be added in Sept. Looks like they're behind.

Where is the cool tv - 29.2? Another forum listed today as the launch date!!

yeah wondering that too...Syracuse apparently got their equipment last week...

yeah wondering that too...Syracuse apparently got their equipment last week...

Probably next week. There are a few software bugs still being worked out.

Finally some decent additions to their HD lineup!

On or about October 7, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
National Geographic Wild HD on Ch 890, MTV HD on Ch 891, Comedy Central HD on Ch 892,
Nickelodeon HD on Ch 893, Spike HD on Ch 895.
On or about October 10, 2010:
Discovery Kids will become The Hub and will remain on Ch 101, The Hub HD will be added to Ch 763.
On or about October 14, 2010 the following channels will be added to the Digital Basic Tier:
CMT HD on Ch 896. Hallmark HD on Ch 897, VH-1 HD on Ch 898.

TW is adding these channels to the Batavia/Rochester Lineup on September 9th & September 16th. They were supposed to add BBC America HD & Style HD on September 2nd but they didn't add them yet. Looks like they fell behind.

Where is the cool tv - 29.2? Another forum listed today as the launch date!!

TW was supposed to add Cool TV from WNYO DT2 to the Batavia Lineup on August 28th but it's still not added to my lineup.

I am trying to find a decent indoor antenna for my HDTV. I bought an RCA ant1400 but only could get channels 17, 23, and 29. So I returned that. None of the other locals. I don't want to keep buying and returning. I have been through all the forums and am more confused than before. I live in Amherst off Sweet Home. I am just wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good indoor antenna that will help me pick up all the channels.

Here is the tvfool.com report for my area: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3da36227b0a4ac67

I understand it is hit or miss with some of these antennas.

Thanks...

I am trying to find a decent indoor antenna for my HDTV. I bought an RCA ant1400 but only could get channels 17, 23, and 29. So I returned that. None of the other locals. I don't want to keep buying and returning. I have been through all the forums and am more confused than before. I live in Amherst off Sweet Home. I am just wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good indoor antenna that will help me pick up all the channels.

Here is the tvfool.com report for my area: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3da36227b0a4ac67

I understand it is hit or miss with some of these antennas.

Thanks...

There are a lot of factors that will determine if an indoor antenna will work for you but you really should consider an outdoor antenna for solid OTA reception.

I never had an interest in OTA stuff, but, an electrician I had doing work in my new condo (only minutes from you), said "Well, what if FIOS goes out during the Super Bowl". He had a point, and offered to stick a simple antenna in my roof for free (facing north). The antennae was a loop about 7 inches in diameter, with a piece of coax coming out of it. Now that construction is complete, I get 16 channels OTA with a free antenna.

So, I would work on getting proper placement of the antenna, in the attic works great for me. The picture is nice and clear, and doesn't cost anything. After reading your TVFool report, it's obvious that placement is more important than the antenna.

BTW, I live in East Amherst.

Thanks for the replies.

I live in a townhouse so putting an antenna on the roof is not feasible, unfortunately. I know there are a lot of factors involved in an indoor antenna. I do have cable but thought an OTA antenna might give me even better reception of local channels. TWC is pretty good but a solid signal without processing seems like it would be better. Maybe it's not going to work for me. (old rabbit ears many years ago always picked up 2, 4, 7, etc. so I figured it wouldn't be a problem doing it today) :0

I get my locals with this 95% of the time -avail at radioshack - $4.19
http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2159924w345.jpg

Thanks for the replies.

I live in a townhouse so putting an antenna on the roof is not feasible, unfortunately. I know there are a lot of factors involved in an indoor antenna. I do have cable but thought an OTA antenna might give me even better reception of local channels. TWC is pretty good but a solid signal without processing seems like it would be better. Maybe it's not going to work for me. (old rabbit ears many years ago always picked up 2, 4, 7, etc. so I figured it wouldn't be a problem doing it today) :0

I'm by no means an expert on this, but my parents live in Getzville and have had luck getting the locals 99% of the time with a Radio Shack 15-1874.

You might also ask in this forum ( EV's Best Top Rated DTV Indoor UHF Antenna Review Test Round-Up Guide): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19129620#post19129620

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV1-Silver-Digital-Antenna/dp/B0007XDI54/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3_rsrssi2

best indoor antenna i have used. I have 4-5 of them. I have 4 in my house in cheektowaga and pickup all buffalo stations with a 90-100% signal.

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV1-Silver-Digital-Antenna/dp/B0007XDI54/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3_rsrssi2

best indoor antenna i have used. I have 4-5 of them. I have 4 in my house in cheektowaga and pickup all buffalo stations with a 90-100% signal.

A few years ago, I ordered one of these to help someone who had zero computer access and played around with it for a few days.

It worked fine in Williamsville, even if it was highly directional.

I never could pick up WKBW, but didn't try all that hard either.

Did WKBW ever cause you any problems?

If you have 4 of these, do you have a lot of TVs or use these as decorations??? :)

http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV1-Silver-Digital-Antenna/dp/B0007XDI54/ref=cm_lmf_tit_3_rsrssi2

best indoor antenna i have used. I have 4-5 of them. I have 4 in my house in cheektowaga and pickup all buffalo stations with a 90-100% signal.

Over 4 years or so of OTA dependency I had 2 of these. One broke (dropped it) and one was given to a friend.

Aside from that, I had 2 other types of antenna inbetween. A similar Terk and something else entirely. The Terk did not work NEARLY as well and it was powered so "should have" been better. The other one was worse too.

The friend I gave my 2nd one to is still using it and it was better than his pervious antenna by far.

(this was all in downtown Buffalo)

TW is adding these channels to the Batavia/Rochester Lineup on September 9th & September 16th. They were supposed to add BBC America HD & Style HD on September 2nd but they didn't add them yet. Looks like they fell behind.


TWC added Style HD to the Tribune Media lineup (which controls my TiVo data) well over a month ago and it still hasn't happened.

They're well behind...