That's definitely interesting that they had The Doctors in HD though. I know I've been dying to see syndicated HD on that station because the SD picture quality is just so awful. I know back in Syracuse our NBC, CW and CBS stations (I believe they all run under through the same people now) don't do "real" HD for syndicated programming but they upscale widescreen for shows like Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, Jeopardy, Wheel and some others. It actually isn't that bad and it's a big improvement over SD.

Tonight, so far, I see Wheel is in HD, real HD not upscaled, on WKBW. I'm guessing Jeopardy will also be in HD too. I'm also noticing only a few commercials are HD, most seem to be SD still.

That's great news. Glad to hear that and I'm looking forward to watching it.

I don't care if the Commercials are in HD or SD. As Long as the show is in HD i'll be happy.

Wheel, Jeopardy and The Doctors were all in HD on Friday. I think their entire weekday sched. is now in HD

CIII (virtual & physical 41) has a SD sub channel?? :confused:

What's up with that? And what a waste duplicating their HD channel. Another WNED?

Ya, I agree, what a waste of bandwidth. I think they are just testing. Unfortunately they cannot offer a sub-channel with any different content without CRTC approval. I dont think any Canadian broadcaster will ever offer sub-channels unless they get mandatory cable and satellite carriage.

Testing for what reason?? Someone bored?

Remember CITY and the 2 OMNI's are moving to the CN Tower in October, much higher up and slightly higher ERP's too.
Obviously the October plan didn't materialize but I am hearing this will happen by the end of this month. Other Canadian news WNY OTAers might be interested in:

- CKXT /Sun News is now permanently off the air (was 66.1 in Toronto, 15.1 in Hamilton)
- CBC PSIP Program guide data is expected to return November 28th

Problems moving all the equipment??

Is CFTO still providing Rovi data for TVGuide On Screen?

WBNF is being converted to digital today, TCT was waiting on authorization from the Canadiens for the permit and had to put in new digital transmitter and replace the antenna to meet Canadien requirements. The new signal is stronger than the analog but more directional.

Xmitter location?

WBNF is colocated on WUTV tower on Grandhaven blvd on Grand Island. Peaking to WUTV should bring in WBNF.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNYB;WNYB is the least watched full-power station in the Buffalo market, behind the second-lowest, WBBZ-TV.

Not needed, not wanted! There is enough RF on Gilligans Island as it is!

Its exactly the same programming as WNYB. What a waste.

It's coming in strong here in Stouffville, ONT which is northeast of Toronto. Their transmit pattern avoids Toronto altogether according to Tv Fool, but where I am located it does show some signal . I'm also LOS to them. It's not a station I'll watch but I'm glad to be able to recieve it. WNYB is too intermittent at my location.

It's not a station I'll watch but I'm glad to be able to recieve it.One has to be desperate to want to watch some self proclaimed holy roller with his hand out scamming you for $$.

Ya, i get it, but they do have some classic stuff on one of their sub-channels.
Grand Island is really polluted with RF.

One has to be desperate to want to watch some self proclaimed holy roller with his hand out scamming you for $$.

Of course, if you ever did watch one of those stations, you'd know that your statement is not true. PBS begs for money more than these stations do.

Grand Island is really polluted with RF.You don't have to tell me that.Of course, if you ever did watch one of those stations, you'd know that your statement is not true. PBS begs for money more than these stations do.You dare compare PBS with a televangelist? You have to be kidding. :rolleyes:
Of course if PBS's budget wasn't cut as it was, there would be little begging.

BTW, watching paint dry would be more entertaining.

You dare compare PBS with a televangelist? You have to be kidding. :rolleyes:
Of course if PBS's budget wasn't cut as it was, there would be little begging.

BTW, watching paint dry would be more entertaining.

There's no comparison: televangelists beg less than PBS does. And they don't have public funding. Next excuse?

If entertainment is all you want, then you're not watching PBS, either.

There's no comparison: televangelists beg less than PBS does. And they don't have public funding. Next excuse?

Lest I step into the hornet's nest...

It's a lot cheaper to sit in front of a camera quoting a book than it is to produce the kind of programming PBS does.

- Trip

Lest I step into the hornet's nest...

It's a lot cheaper to sit in front of a camera quoting a book than it is to produce the kind of programming PBS does.

- Trip

Although Christian programming is more diverse than just sitting in front of a camera quoting a book, I will not argue that overall, their programming is cheaper to produce. But they don't have the endowments and foundations and other income sources, including public funds, that PBS has. You'll also find that most of what PBS member stations produce comes from one member: WGBH.

But the point here is that the notion that TV preachers are only angling for your money is patently false. And to have one champion that idea who never watches Christian TV? Well, there's the ignorance and prejudice...can the fear be far behind?

Christian TV is probably among the purest forms of educational TV, no pun intended. They don't supplement their schedule with Britcoms and entertainment specials, even though the largest purveyor of Christian programming, TBN, and Buffalo's station, WNYB, could, as their licenses are for commercial stations, not NCE. Their profit motive is to educate viewers in their brand of theology - the education is the profit. There have been abuses, but those are the exceptions, not the rule. "Dog bites man" doesn't generate news coverage. Self-correction: TCT does offer a subchannel with classic general-market programming; I was thinking more of Daystar and 3ABN, whose programming is much more heavily teaching, and TBN, whose movies generally have an evangelistic emphasis.

The genesis of this conversation was an opinion that WBNF-CA's transmitter on Grand Island is "not wanted - not needed". I disagree. Because WNYB is licensed to Jamestown, not Buffalo, its transmitter is located near Fredonia, so it doesn't provide good coverage to Niagara County and northern and eastern Erie County. WBNF rectifies that. I also looked at RabbitEars and found that no Buffalo-area TV station provides a channel dedicated to Spanish-language programming. Except one: WNYB.

From what I've read in the past WBNF was supposed to provide better coverage into parts of Buffalo where WNYB is problematic. I've also always wondered why no Buffalo station has ever affiliated with a Spanish language broadcaster such as Telemundo or Univision since the diverse community in the Greater Buffalo region has a large number of Hispanic people. That, being off topic, this station also provides more coverage into Southern Ontario from which they do get donations. I don't always agree with the way they ask for money, but much of the programming offers historical perspectives, and it is far from just a preacher channel. New channels are always welcome at my place, even though I may rarely ever watch it.

I don't always agree with the way they ask for money

I'm interested to know what you find objectionable - I have no intention of trying to convince you otherwise; I'd just like to know. You can PM me if you don't want to continue this topic publicly. I don't have TCT where I live, but the same preachers appear on TBN, Daystar and TCT, and I have the other two networks.

This is what I see:

Some run a constant graphic in their programming inviting donations - Rod Parsley comes to mind immediately - giving the look of an infomercial, and I wouldn't argue with anyone who says it is. Often, the graphic is only advertising future live events - I still don't care for it if it's always visible.

Others display a graphic for a few seconds, and then it disappears. No more annoying than network TV, which employs the same method of advertising upcoming programming.

Most have a time at the end where they sell CDs and videos and other items, much like PBS programs do, but without the acknowledgements to their underwriters.

I don't know if TCT does this, but TBN will run an occasional spot hawking some network-emblazoned trinket or memento. Cheesy IMO, but at least it's brief, and usually follows a network production. Individual preachers don't do so much of that anymore - it always conjured up images of the Rev. "Little Ed" Pembroke from WKRP. :D Most of that is done by direct mail nowadays.

I don't know if I really want to get into that debate regarding fundraising. If you'd like to watch TCT they are available online at www.tct.tv , the main channel and all 3 sub-channels as well. The 4 feeds are identical to what you see off-air.

I don't know if I really want to get into that debate regarding fundraising. If you'd like to watch TCT they are available online at www.tct.tv , the main channel and all 3 sub-channels as well. The 4 feeds are identical to what you see off-air.

I didn't wish to debate it, but as you wish, we'll just leave it here. I do appreciate your comments on WBNF; like you, I'm happy to see more OTA choices, even if it is something I generally don't watch. Where I'm at, we have an abundance of Spanish-language channels. I don't understand much Spanish, but I know someone appreciates them.

Grand Island is really polluted with RF

Not sure I follow. :confused: What's a better solution? Less channels?

PBS begs for money more than these stations do

At least PBS doesn't have their phone number up on the screen 24x7 :D

Not sure I follow. What's a better solution? Less channels?Move them far away, namely the southtowns where most other are. Logical solution. :rolleyes:At least PBS doesn't have their phone number up on the screen 24x7And it's educational, not mindless dribble for profit like those holy roller stations pump out..

Ok, I see now. Definitely better to have them in the same direction or even on the same tower. From my location they are all with in a couple of degrees of each other. We're sort of spoiled up here. :o

At least PBS doesn't have their phone number up on the screen 24x7 :D

That would be the prayer line. No, I don't think PBS has one of those.

And it's educational, not mindless dribble for profit.

That's the first accurate thing you've said on this topic.

I was just about to post and ask if anyone was having trouble with CBLT during the Philadelphia-Winnipeg game, as the screen went black, but I was still showing having received a full signal, but they just announced they lost their live feed transmission.

Anyone want to see the Harbaugh boys (Ravens v. 49ers) duke it out on Thanksgiving night-- exclusively on the NFL Network? Well, let's let TWC know how we feel. After all, aren't we told that we should contact our provider if we want certain channels?

Email:

Melinda Witmer, TWC VP Programming and chief negotiator ... melinda.witmer@twcable.com

Glenn Britt, TWC CEO ... glenn.britt@twcable.com

Did CITY-TV Channel 57 make its move to the CN tower?
Since yesterday - it has been a very strong signal.

Not here.

City is likely going to wait to move back to the CN tower as they want to move Omni 2 to channel 40 from 51 and make all changes at once.

CHCH wants to move to channel 15 meaning no reception in Western NewYork

Is there some reason they couldn't go back to Channel 18 instead of 15?

I believe 18 is in use now in London.

CHCH wants to move to channel 15 meaning no reception in Western NewYorkYou can also add limited reception in Southern Ontario near the border, including Ft. Erie. This would affect some Canadian viewers also.
I guess CHCH has too many viewers. :mad:

More college educated stupidly. What's wrong with where they are?? What, too confusing to have the same physical channel number as their 'virtual' number?

You can also add limited reception in Southern Ontario near the border, including Ft. Erie. This would affect some Canadian viewers also.

Looking at the maps I have, coverage in Fort Erie will improve.

Current (11): http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1282749&contour=N&map=Y
Proposed (15): http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1302001&contour=N&map=Y

I guess CHCH has too many viewers. :mad:

On the contrary, CHCH was inundated with complaints from viewers, and not just in Fort Erie. This move is intended to fix those.

And looking at signal levels in Fort Erie from the current signal, I will venture to suggest that many people there are having problems with the current signal anyway, so it is not as though some great loss is about to befall them regardless.

More college educated stupidly. What's wrong with where they are?? What, too confusing to have the same physical channel number as their 'virtual' number?

Almost nobody outside of this forum and others like it care or take this sort of thing into account, since it's a ridiculous argument. Should WGRZ move back to RF2 to satisfy this, even if that means 90% of viewers lose the ability to receive it? No, what matters is that people can receive the signal, which the flood of reception complaints showed is not the case with the channel 11 signal.

- Trip

On the contrary, CHCH was inundated with complaints from viewers, and not just in Fort Erie. This move is intended to fix those.At the cost of others. Funny they received analog 11 ok (and please don't bother with the analog vs digital coverage argument). Almost nobody outside of this forum and others like it care or take this sort of thing into account, since it's a ridiculous argument. Should WGRZ move back to RF2 to satisfy thisThe statement has absolutely nothing to do with any argument for reverting back to anyones analog assignment, but as sarcasm for having the same physical channel number, since that is rare these days. It wasn't an argument, it was a question.

Why would anyone want to occupy a assignment that is already active and within 15 miles, even though it is low power?

I still believe that CHCH's best option is to broadcast at a higher ERP on CH11. I'll assume their thinking to go back to UHF is based on the fact that more OTAers already have UHF antennas installed. I personally got an outdoor VHF antenna and have no problems recieving CHCH at 65 miles from their transmitter. Now, knowing that CH15 WBNF is a Class A station, they do require some protection. I just don't understand how CHCH could choose the same allotment and expect the FCC to agree with their proposal. Remember CKXT on CH15 used a directional antenna broadcasting away from Grand Island, with a contour that was mostly to the North and West.

Now, knowing that CH15 WBNF is a Class A station, they do require some protection. I just don't understand how CHCH could choose the same allotment and expect the FCC to agree with their proposal.

The LOU with the Canadians protects full-service allotments. While WBNF has protection within the US, I am reasonably certain that it is not protected from the Canadians. I vaguely recall reading somewhere that CA stations are treated like LPs for the purposes of international coordination. I could be wrong, of course.

Remember CKXT on CH15 used a directional antenna broadcasting away from Grand Island, with a contour that was mostly to the North and West.

Not quite. One of the two main lobes was pointed right at Grand Island.

http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=ant_pat&ant_id=4357&rotation=0&erp=9.1
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1282750&map=Y

- Trip

There is as much decent programming on CHCH as there is on WPXJ, most in HD unlike NYLO & WNYO.

Are any of you guys getting better reception of CITY and CFMT, they have appeared to have moved to the CN Tower. Their are many reports of a much stronger signal being recieved for both those stations now.

I did a quick check on signal levels and with the rain, my three, now four 'locals' signal levels are up 1-2 db and stations out of Toronto are up between 2 and 7 db except CIII & CHCH which are down 1 and 7 db respectively.
I can't measure CITY due to WNED but it appears their signal is around 1db below CIII's which I beleive is average for this location.

Do you get a lock or watchable pictures on CITY and CFMT?

CFMT usually is of no issue, but with CITY, forget it. No more chance then before, but for different reasons. I would say CFMT & CITY have around the same levels at my location. Just as CJMT & CIII have the same levels.
If it wasn't for WNED, I wouldn't have any problem receiving it. :(

Do you get a lock or watchable pictures on CITY and CFMT?

I get a lock on both those channels about 50% of the time I try. CITY was coming in exceptionally strong around 4pm yesterday, which may have had to do with a move to the CN Tower, but that was from the meter on my Television. From what I'm told, that's not always a good indicator, but it's the only one I have. I checked another TV later last night and it was still coming in okay, but at a weaker rate. I haven't checked since. The problem is that I rarely watch any programming on those networks to care too much.

It appears that they may have only been testing on the weekend, from the CN Tower

I did a scan at 2 pm today and did not pick up anything different. Just the same channels, 5 25 19 41

It appears that they may have only been testing on the weekend, from the CN Tower
Well - if it was a test, I liked the results. It would appear the test is over. 57 is weak again.

Anyone know why the TVGOS time is 1 minute ahead? Seems like it has been that way for at least a week.

The time of the host channel is off.
My decks have been starting early for over a year, but it seems to be getting worse now. Call their engineering department and mention it to them.

It's been confirmed that as of 12/12 CITY DT and Omni1 DT, 44 and 47 respectively will be broadcasting full time from the CN Tower, Omni2 is not moving until their CH40 application is approved.

Great news. I'll keep my fingers crossed for CITY. ;)

Lots of increase in height, and slight increase in power.

For me, OTA channel 2 lately has been having problems. Wednesday night it was almost unwatchable. I switched from my DVR tuner to my TV tuner and it was much better, but not perfect. It doesn't seem to be a signal strength issue it is more like interference. Anyone else notice this?

I hear Antenna TV (http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/) will replace Universal Sports on WGRZ 2.2 come January.

http://www.facebook.com/AntennaTV/posts/307458195941220

sweet! I saw some ad about a new NBC Sports Network starting up soon too..interesting

That will make our Canadian neighbors very happy since they love our old reruns.

I hear Antenna TV (http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/) will replace Universal Sports on WGRZ 2.2 come January.

http://www.facebook.com/AntennaTV/posts/307458195941220

My mom will be happy to have antenna tv on 2.2. Does TW plan on adding Universal Sports after they stop broadcasting OTA?

sweet! I saw some ad about a new NBC Sports Network starting up soon too..interesting

NBC Sports Network is currently knows as Versus. The Name will change on January 2nd because the network is being rebranded.

that is great news it sucked when 2-3 rtn retro network was pulled in september. I liked watching the old shows.

Anyone try for CITY today? Today is supposed to be the move to the CN Tower. I haven't been able to check because I'm at work, but all the Canadian OTA forums seem pretty quiet on the topic today.

i did a scan and was not able to get anything more than usually do. ie 5 19 41 25

i am now picking up 57-1 city. However it is breaking up reguarly. My toshiba tv is getting 3/5 bars of signal which on other stations locks in a perfect picture. Hopefully this will improve. I also got 47-1 omni when doing a channel scan but am not getting a picture.

i sent antennatv station a email asking about the buffalo market, here is the response i just got.

Antenna TV will be on WGRZ starting on 1/1/12. It's 2.2 and on Time Warner Cable 114.
Thanks,
Bina

Apparently they still haven't moved to the CN Tower yet.

i think they might have moved. I can now pick up city and omni 1 although the signal is very low and i have a lot of break ups. Before yesterday i never picked them up before. I am hoping they are still playing with them and the signal will be stronger soon. IF not I will not be able to view them reguarly.

For me, 57 is strong - picture is just fine.
47 - no signal lock

There's an improvement in the two for me. However, it sounds like the conditions have been favorable for many channels, so we'll see how long this lasts.

I noticed on Antenna Tv's website WGRZ 2.2 is now listed on their big map as starting on January 1st, and on Time Warner ch-114.

http://www.antennatv.tv/affiliates/

[QUOTE=New Cable Guy;21349102]I noticed on Antenna Tv's website WGRZ 2.2 is now listed on their big map as starting on January 1st, and on Time Warner ch-114.
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Thanks for the update. Looking at AntennaTV their line-up looks a lot better then RTV. At least then are not pack with 12 hours of paid programming. They also appear to have a lot of experience broadcasting a national feed, their signal comes out of the facilities of Super station WGN Chicago, although certainly the programming format is much different.

So has city and omni officially moved and the transition completed?

If you believe the 12/12 date, yes. My signals have been a bit stronger since then, but Canadians are reporting some Tropo, so I'm not sure if it has to do with that or the move to the CN Tower.

Antenna Tv's lineup is not as good as ME-TV, but far better than RTV. They both seem to have access to Universals library so their is room for Antenna-TV to add more programming.

that's a matter of taste... looks like primetime will be decision time when I have both :)

I am picking up city and omni around 30% or so. I have a pre amp hooked up to my antenna. Anyone think if I get a signal booster it would improve signal strength. I have a Motorola one I use for a basement tv and antenna and it does boost the signal on that tv quite a bit. I don't want to overload the signal seeing I have a.pre amp

WGRZ covers a much larger area, so if you are viewing the over air signal, you have a better chance, at least here is the southern Tier of NY, Like Wellsville, Olean, of getting AntennaTV on Ch. 2-2. For that matter Time Warner cable does not carry in Olean or Wellsville, WBBZ, but does carry Ch.2-2 on Ch.111, in the above markets. I would probably watch shows on both MeTV and AntennaTV if I got both stations, but since I only get WGRZ, I will only be watching AntennaTV. That said I am happy that WGRZ is an affiliate. For the record, I would still watch some shows on RTV, if I still got the their network.

yer in the hills? We get metv on whec, and also will get antennatv when it comes on

I wish ME-TV Buffalo will boost it's signal so we can get it reliably here north of the Border, although WHEC might be a better option during the summer months when it booms in.

Now that we got MSG HD on FIOS, when will we see Canadian channels so we can watch Hockey Night in Canada? That would allow me to get rid of TW completly! I also read where TW might lose MSG 1/1/2012.

Now that we got MSG HD on FIOS, when will we see Canadian channels so we can watch Hockey Night in Canada? That would allow me to get rid of TW completly! I also read where TW might lose MSG 1/1/2012.

Where did you hear TW may loose MSG?

Now that we got MSG HD on FIOS, when will we see Canadian channels so we can watch Hockey Night in Canada? That would allow me to get rid of TW completly! I also read where TW might lose MSG 1/1/2012.

get a outdoor antenna and you can pickup cbc hd ota. I get a signal 90-100% all the time since they juiced up their signal in cheektowaga

Where did you hear TW may loose MSG?

Noon news on WIVB just mentioned it.......

I'm guessing TWC is in no hurry to add CBC HD considering their are costs involved to provide the signal and no return on investment since its an OTA channel. Both CBC HD and TVO HD should be on TWC since neither has a copyright issue broadcasting in the U.S.

I heard a couple years ago twc was planning on getting cbc hd. They already have cbc in sd. Nonetheless like i said pretty much everyone around buffalo can grab cbc hd ota with antenna.

when will we see Canadian channels so we can watch Hockey Night in Canada? That would allow me to get rid of TW completly!There is always a outdoor antenna. ;)

As much as I love OTA i couldn't live without channels like A&E, TLC and Investigation Discovery.

No one says you can't have both. ;)

I went to TW's roll over or get tough website & i found out why tw customers may loose MSG on 1/1/2012

From: www.rolloverorgettough.com/national/
On December 16, MSG began telling customers that Time Warner Cable may drop its programming effective January 1, 2012.

We value sports and understand that costs are rising. We’re willing to pay the increase MSG originally wanted to prevent them from shutting the channels off while we continue to negotiate. MSG refused.
MSG insists that in order to continue carrying their sports networks, we must pay for and carry their Fuse music channel across the entire country. We don’t think it’s fair to ask Time Warner Cable customers nationwide to pay for Fuse and subsidize New York sports they can’t watch.

It also says on the same page they dropped Fuse TV because less than 1% of all customers watched that station.

We don’t think it’s fair to ask Time Warner Cable customers nationwide to pay for Fuse and subsidize New York sports they can’t watch.I have to laugh. TWC thinks it isn't right to them pay for something most don't/won't watch, but they expect their customers (us) to do the same with a bunch of other services included in all their 'tiers'! :rolleyes:

I'm sure this will go the usual route. Up to the deadline, back and forth, then a deal will be reached. ;)
There is no way MSG would be dropped with hockey in the spotlight in this market.

I have to laugh. TWC thinks it isn't right to them pay for something most don't/won't watch, but they expect their customers (us) to do the same with a bunch of other services included in all their 'tiers'! :rolleyes:

I don't miss being a TWC video customer. Plus free HD via an antenna can't be beat. But speaking of TWC, I can't understand how they get away with not carrying WBBZ, in Olean and Wellsville, since WBBZ is a full power station and Wellsville and Olean is consider by the FCC as part of the Buffalo Market, how does TWC not carry WBBZ? However it is TWC, so who knows their reasoning.

It's probably out of range. :D
I bet they carry that waste on RF channel 26.

anyone actually verify if the omni and city transition complete? I can pick them up where in the past i could not but the signal is very low and breaks up a lot. Just wondering if they will boost power or anything to increase signal stregth

I don't think that they've moved yet

I don't miss being a TWC video customer. Plus free HD via an antenna can't be beat. But speaking of TWC, I can't understand how they get away with not carrying WBBZ, in Olean and Wellsville, since WBBZ is a full power station and Wellsville and Olean is consider by the FCC as part of the Buffalo Market, how does TWC not carry WBBZ? However it is TWC, so who knows their reasoning.

The answer is less sinister than you think. For most of its history, WNGS has never been able to get a good signal into Buffalo. Since a station has to provide a good signal to the cable operator's headend in order to claim must-carry on that cable system, TWC has legally been able to exclude WNGS. Now that WBBZ is finally getting a better signal into Buffalo, they can force TWC to carry them, but first, they have to request must-carry. If they don't, then TWC is under no obligation to carry them. Second, must-carry requests are not immediately effective, except for new stations. There is a three-year period under which must-carry agreements (or the lack thereof) are valid. If a full-power station is not new, but is not being carried on local cable, they cannot force carriage until the current period is completed, and must request must-carry for the next period at least three months before the end of the current period.

See http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2011/09/articles/television/mustcarry-or-retransmission-consent-television-stations-must-notify-cable-and-satellite-operators-by-october-1st/

The current must-carry period runs from Jan. 1, 2009 - Dec. 31, 2011. If WBBZ wants to be carried on TWC beginning in 2012, they had to file the must-carry request by Oct. 1, 2011. Failure to do so releases TWC from obligation to carry them until at least 2015. You might want to check with WBBZ to find out if they requested must-carry.

The answer is less sinister than you think. For most of its history, WNGS has never been able to get a good signal into Buffalo. Since a station has to provide a good signal to the cable operator's headend in order to claim must-carry on that cable system, TWC has legally been able to exclude WNGS. Now that WBBZ is finally getting a better signal into Buffalo, they can force TWC to carry them, but first, they have to request must-carry. If they don't, then TWC is under no obligation to carry them. Second, must-carry requests are not immediately effective, except for new stations. There is a three-year period under which must-carry agreements (or the lack thereof) are valid. If a full-power station is not new, but is not being carried on local cable, they cannot force carriage until the current period is completed, and must request must-carry for the next period at least three months before the end of the current period.

See http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2011/09/articles/television/mustcarry-or-retransmission-consent-television-stations-must-notify-cable-and-satellite-operators-by-october-1st/

The current must-carry period runs from Jan. 1, 2009 - Dec. 31, 2011. If WBBZ wants to be carried on TWC beginning in 2012, they had to file the must-carry request by Oct. 1, 2011. Failure to do so releases TWC from obligation to carry them until at least 2015. You might want to check with WBBZ to find out if they requested must-carry.
Thanks. That make sense. WNGS was carried in Olean and Wellsville by TWC, but has not been carried since it went dark, and came back under it's current owner. TWC uses the same head-end out of Cheektowaga, for the Olean, Wellsville system, they have been using it since Adelphia went bankrupt, but before it became TWC. As far as WBBZ signal reaching this part of the southern tier, it is unlikely you can get WBBZ anywhere down here, over the air, however the same applies to WNED, but it is a mute issue when you consider where TWC head-end is, in Cheektowaga.

TW hasn't put WBBZ back in their Genesee County Lineup either. The last time i had access to it on cable was before the shut down. If they do get must carry would they be required to put it back in my channel lineup or would i have to ask tw for it.

You guys have real interesting regulations regarding carriage. Over here all local OTA stations automatically have must carry, and have to be below CH30 on the dial too.

You guys have real interesting regulations regarding carriage. Over here all local OTA stations automatically have must carry, and have to be below CH30 on the dial too.

Your government also has a much greater say in what the stations can go on the air, and what they can broadcast. The TVN channel 22 application for St. Catherines was rejected by the CRTC; it probably would have been approved in the U.S. You don't see Canadian stations broadcasting all infomercials, nor do you have low-power stations that originate programming. Cable and satellite providers have a reason to be more selective here.

Just read on another forum (not sure what the rules are here with linking, but the domain name contains the word "digital" and ends with .ca), that Rogers has confirmed that CITY and Omni 1 has moved to the CN Tower, so what you have now is what you're going to get for a while. Omni 2 is still waiting for its Channel 40 approval.

I'm glad you said something since I would never know it happened. Almost the same signal level for both. What a waste that was. :mad:

I see more signal variance within five or ten minutes monitoring a single station that I see here with either. And I'm not talking about some lame percentage scale reading on a TV or some other tuner.

Are you guys down south able to get a watchable picture on those stations.

I have been, but the more I read, the more I'm thinking it's more because of favorable weather conditions (for TV signals...for anything else, it sucks) than a move to the CN Tower. From the few other OTA people in Buffalo I've read, who use amps or pre-amps, they're not getting much of anything from them. It sounds like 43-WNED is still overloading and killing any hope of 44 CITY. I guess I'll never really know until the leaves get back on the trees in about 6 months.

However, I'll take it. CITY-TV has been showing 4pm football games that haven't been available on WIVB or WUTV lately. I wish CTV would show non-local games as well, but they've always ran alongside CBS or Fox in Buffalo.

57 has been strong since the move.

My location @ 1300' elevation near the Boston Hills must really be an advantage.
Don't have to move my indoor antenna - just point it North-Northwest for great reception.

I get all of the following:

Canada: 5, 9, 11, 15, 19, 25, 41, 57
Buffalo: 2, 4, 7, 17, 23, 26, 29, 49, 67

It is interesting, using my older antennas - I don't pick up a single Canadian channel and have a tough time with channels 2 and 17. I am amazed at the difference the Clearstream 2 antenna makes.

Wow, you're way south and still getting great reception. It's obviously your elevation that's helping your situation. I guess you don't get the 2 Omni's or CITS on 36 from Hamilton, or WPXJ like i do. I get everything you do with the exception of WBBZ, too bad. It's too bad that those on cable will never have access to Canadian channels, and we love our American channels here. I'm sure you'll have access to CTV2 on ch-42 from Fonthill Ontario when it gets CRTC approval.

It's all about elevation. ;)
Actually, I'm surprised the 'big three' don't kill reception for him.

Once in a while the two Omni channels show up - usually late at night. They have not shown up in several weeks however.

36 is just outside my ability to receive. My tuners see it, and once in a while a picture will be there, but I've only been able to watch a couple shows and it has not shown up in several weeks either.

You surely aren't missing anything with 36.

Aside from the religious stuff on 36, they do air some classic tv shows like Gilligans Island, or should i dare say Grand Island.

Like I said, you aren't missing much.................... :rolleyes:

I watched an episode of Gilligan's Island and an episode of Alf.
Alf was actually quite funny.
Nothing I would DVR on a regular basis - but it would be nice to be able to pick up the channel.

It's too bad that those on cable will never have access to Canadian channels,

Time Warner actually does provide CBLT and CFTO to the Buffalo market. CHCH is available on some other cable system in the southern tier. Sadly, Dish Network, DirecTV, and Verizon FiOS don't offer any Canadian channels.

The satellite guys will never offer Canadian channels simply because they can't make a profit from providing them, plus it will utilize their precious bandwidth. I'm also thinking that they would have to blackout CFTO when the same show is on a local station in Buffalo. CBLT and TVO are the only stations that don't have any rights issues since they dont duplicate U.S. programming.

Time Warner actually does provide CBLT and CFTO to the Buffalo market. But only in down converted SD. And to boot, programs that are in HD are compressed horizontally. You will have to 'stretch' the image to widescreen for it to be in the proper aspect ratio.

Time Warner actually does provide CBLT and CFTO to the Buffalo market. CHCH is available on some other cable system in the southern tier. Sadly, Dish Network, DirecTV, and Verizon FiOS don't offer any Canadian channels.

CHCH is offered, I believe, on TWC's Dunkirk/Fredonia system. At least it was last time I was there, a couple of years or so ago.

The system also had CBLT and CFTO.

Reminder folks, Antenna tv begins tomorrow Jan 1, for those that care. WGRZ ch 2.2, and on Time Warner. I think us Canadian folk have more interest in this channel.

I think us Canadian folk have more interest in this channel.Major understatement. :D

CHCH is offered, I believe, on TWC's Dunkirk/Fredonia system. At least it was last time I was there, a couple of years or so ago.

The system also had CBLT and CFTO.

Looks like CHCH is no longer on that system, but CBLT and CFTO are still there.

Maybe they had trouble recieving it when they moved back to CH-11

Loving the 3 Stooges Marathon on Channel 2.2!

not a big fan of the stooges but cant wait till tomorrow for adam-12 and dragnet coming back.

I've already set my TiVo up to record S.W.A.T. and The Monkees next weekend. :D I haven't seen either of those shows in something like 30 years.

57 has been strong since the move.

My location @ 1300' elevation near the Boston Hills must really be an advantage.
Don't have to move my indoor antenna - just point it North-Northwest for great reception.

I get all of the following:

Canada: 5, 9, 11, 15, 19, 25, 41, 57
Buffalo: 2, 4, 7, 17, 23, 26, 29, 49, 67

It is interesting, using my older antennas - I don't pick up a single Canadian channel and have a tough time with channels 2 and 17. I am amazed at the difference the Clearstream 2 antenna makes.

Out of curiosity, do any of these channels carry the Sabres hockey games? Looking for alternatives since MSG is no longer on TWC :mad:. I too am in the Boston Hills.
Also, what receiver are you using?

Thank you.

Really wishful thinking. :eek:

FWIW, I did a little research on WBBZ, though not as popular here as it is up north (and west).

WBBZ's contact page (notice the address; out in Clarence or E. Amherst depending on which side of Transit they are on);
http://www.wbbz.tv/contact-us/

A concise history of the station and it's predecessors;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WBBZ-TV

Whatever happened back last fall, it was confirmed they are still on lower power and the "part" has been "on order". Also note, they have to protect another physical channel 7 east of their location SE of Fredonia, hence their ERP limitation.

Really wishful thinking. :eek:

I figured as much, my hope was a Canadian OTA channel carried the games for fans there.

Toronto is too close to WNY.
There is no shortage of other hockey games on CBLT on the weekend. ;)

I have Directv so i am good. However, here is a way to watch the game.

go to this website: http://atdhenet.tv/

Scroll down and click on the sabres game. you can watch the game from this website. It is completly free and you do not need to install anything. It just starts playing. You can view it on your computer then hook up a hdmi cable from laptop to lcd tv or use the monitor output on the laptop/desktop then hook up the other end to the lcd tv. You can view the image on the computer screen on your LCd tv. I used this for the bills black out games. If that site is slow or down try this one.

http://www.firstrow.tv/sport/ice-hockey.html

Or go to the Free Sabres Viewing Party at First Niagara Center.

Or go to the Free Sabres Viewing Party at First Niagara Center.

i hear ya but many people do not want to drive to the arena even if it free. i bet they still will not let you bring in food so they can charge $8 for a beer and $5 for a coke

i hear ya but many people do not want to drive to the arena even if it free. i bet they still will not let you bring in food so they can charge $8 for a beer and $5 for a coke

If you go to http://www.facebook.com/FirstNiagaraCenter you will see in the newest post their food & drink specials for tonight.

Toronto is too close to WNY.
There is no shortage of other hockey games on CBLT on the weekend. ;)



So long as you are a Maple Leafs fan...

I figured as much, my hope was a Canadian OTA channel carried the games for fans there.

Back in the 70s and 80s, Sabres games were available OTA. They moved around - I think WKBW had them, then WUTV, then it moved to 49 (wasn't WNYO yet IIR) before leaving the airwaves. Back then, the Sabres had a HUGE following in Southern Ontario due to the reach of the Buffalo OTA station that carried them, especially since they had the French Connection and the Leafs sucked (some things never change! :cool:). Canadians never had Empire Sports or MSG on cable, so the next generation of Southern Ontario Sabre fans never materialized.

Nowadays, if someone from Southern Ontario goes to a Sabres game, they're more likely to cheer for the road team. :eek:

i hear ya but many people do not want to drive to the arena even if it free.Gee, living in suburbia and don't like to drive?? :rolleyes:

No I go to.7-8 games a year. Just figure a lit of people would rather stay home and watch it

Back in the 70s and 80s, Sabres games were available OTA. They moved around - I think WKBW had them, then WUTV, then it moved to 49 (wasn't WNYO yet IIR) before leaving the airwaves. Back then, the Sabres had a HUGE following in Southern Ontario due to the reach of the Buffalo OTA station that carried them, especially since they had the French Connection and the Leafs sucked (some things never change! :cool:). Canadians never had Empire Sports or MSG on cable, so the next generation of Southern Ontario Sabre fans never materialized.

Nowadays, if someone from Southern Ontario goes to a Sabres game, they're more likely to cheer for the road team. :eek:

I agree, seems with the new digital subchannels the sabres would entertain the thought of signing with local OTA to expose themselves to southern ontario fans via OTA. Probably would be less lucrative but MSG is a nightmare. My prediction is that Pegula will execute an out clause if there is one.

If you believe what Ted Black has been saying on WGR the past couple weeks, there isn't an out clause.

Everyone wants to point at MSG for this, and they definitely deserve some blame, but DirecTV was in the same boat a couple of years ago, and they got a deal done. I highly doubt that they're trying to give Time Warner the shaft compared to DirecTV. However, DirecTV is very popular with sports fans because it's the only provider that has the NFL Sunday ticket and all the other leagues as well. Sports seems to be a higher priority for them than other providers.

If you believe what Ted Black has been saying on WGR the past couple weeks, there isn't an out clause.

Everyone wants to point at MSG for this, and they definitely deserve some blame, but DirecTV was in the same boat a couple of years ago, and they got a deal done. I highly doubt that they're trying to give Time Warner the shaft compared to DirecTV. However, DirecTV is very popular with sports fans because it's the only provider that has the NFL Sunday ticket and all the other leagues as well. Sports seems to be a higher priority for them than other providers.

The content providers (like MSG) do this constantly.

Wasn't it just 2 years ago VS. did the same with D* and we almost missed the NHL playoffs!!??

It was the same finger pointing BS...."they want a 300% price increase"..... "NO, we're only asking them to pay what everyone else pays"...... etc.

CBC program info is back....finally

el gran chico posted that CKVR out of Barrie Ont. has been granted two 'repeaters' in Southern Ontario.
Programming will be secondary CTV material.1. The Commission received applications by Bell Media Inc. (Bell Media) to amend the broadcasting licence for .............. CKVR-DT Barrie in order to add two new digital transmitters to serve the areas of Burlington, Fonthill, Fort Erie, Hamilton, Niagara Falls, St. Catharines, Oakville and Welland, Ontario.

2. The transmitter serving Hamilton, Burlington and Oakville would operate on channel 35 with an average effective radiated power (ERP) of 10,500 watts (maximum ERP of 25,000 watts with an effective height of antenna above average terrain (EHAAT) of 248 metres). The transmitter serving Fonthill, Fort Erie, Niagara Falls, St. Catharines and Welland would operate on channel 42 with an average ERP of 1,340 watts (maximum ERP of 5,000 watts with an EHAAT of 146 metres).

6. CKVR-DT, as part of the A-Channel station lineup, has recently been rebranded into a “CTV Two” station, which Bell Media uses as an additional window to feature first-run, premium programming.Why two so close together is beyond me. Wonder how long this will take?

With the additional of CIII & CICA in HD, there are a surprising number of decent programs & movies available, not just duplicates of American programming.

Another OTA channel for the Buffalo market.

el gran chico posted that CKVR out of Barrie Ont. has been granted two 'repeaters' in Southern Ontario.
Programming will be secondary CTV material.Why two so close together is beyond me. Wonder how long this will take?

With the additional of CIII & CICA in HD, there are a surprising number of decent programs & movies available, not just duplicates of American programming.

From what I understand, there is a boatload of secondary American programming on CTV2 as well.

FWIW;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CKVR-DT

That Fonthill transmitter will be only 23 miles as the crow flies from downtown Buffalo.

From doing some reading on other sites, it sounds like neither of those repeaters have digital transmitters at the current time, and it is unknown whether or not they will get them. It is believed that the real "strategy" for the repeaters is that having the transmitters there will give the station "simsub" rights on certain programming that is also shown on the US Networks. I don't know too much about how that works, though.

They will be digital transmitters. When they will be completed and operational is unknown at this time. I can't see them waiting too long

What happened to WUTV's network HD?
House was WS 4:3 last night.

What happened to WUTV's network HD?
House was WS 4:3 last night.
They returned to HD around 8:33 tonight. But my HD content was window-boxed 16:9 not 4:3.

Sorry, I meant it was letter boxed in a 4:3 broadcast.

I need to use an antenna for the next week while I wait for my D* to get hooked up again.

I'm using a Radio Shack 15-1878 that I had sitting around, but can only get 23.1, 29.1, and 29.2 (My siding is probably not helping at all)

I'd really like to get WGR, WIVB or WKBW to at least watch the news. (I've tried 33.1, 38.1 & 39.1)

Question: Should I be playing around with rabbit ears or the loop for these??

I need to use an antenna for the next week while I wait for my D* to get hooked up again.

I'm using a Radio Shack 15-1878 that I had sitting around, but can only get 23.1, 29.1, and 29.2 (My siding is probably not helping at all)

I'd really like to get WGR, WIVB or WKBW to at least watch the news. (I've tried 33.1, 38.1 & 39.1)

Question: Should I be playing around with rabbit ears or the loop for these??

All of the buffalo Locals are on UHF as far as i know so you should play with the loop so you can make WIVB or WKBW come in. Your right about the siding it's not going to help you make WIVB or WKBW come in. If you type your address into www.antennaweb.org you can see a map of what directions the locals are coming from so you can aim your antenna properly.

If you're in Williamsville, you shouldn't have a problem getting at least one of the big 3 with an indoor antenna. I'm getting 2 and 4 with an indoor antenna in the basement. I also find it strange you don't get WNED 17.1. I can get it with a paper clip. If you have a different indoor antenna, no matter how simple, I'd say give it a try.

All of the buffalo Locals are on UHF as far as i know so you should play with the loop so you can make WIVB or WKBW come in. Your right about the siding it's not going to help you make WIVB or WKBW come in. If you type your address into www.antennaweb.org you can see a map of what directions the locals are coming from so you can aim your antenna properly.

I tried a few more positions, without luck. While I was moving it back to it's initial position so that I could at least get 29, I saw WGR flicker for a second.

Unfortunately, the antenna is right in front of the TV, but I'm afraid to move it an inch.

(If I had another antenna, I'd definitely try it....I briefly had one a few years ago that I'd ordered for a friend and it worked much better with almost no effort.)

I tried a few more positions, without luck. While I was moving it back to it's initial position so that I could at least get 29, I saw WGR flicker for a second.

Unfortunately, the antenna is right in front of the TV, but I'm afraid to move it an inch.

(If I had another antenna, I'd definitely try it....I briefly had one a few years ago that I'd ordered for a friend and it worked much better with almost no effort.)

Maybe you need an amplified antenna to get the other local channels. Before i got cable in 2009 i used an amplified indoors antenna & all the channels came in the strongest when i put the antenna next to a window. You should try moving the antenna closer to a window & see if that helps. If that doesn't work try an amplifier.

I need to use an antenna for the next week while I wait for my D* to get hooked up again.

I'm using a Radio Shack 15-1878 that I had sitting around, but can only get 23.1, 29.1, and 29.2 (My siding is probably not helping at all)

I'd really like to get WGR, WIVB or WKBW to at least watch the news. (I've tried 33.1, 38.1 & 39.1)

Question: Should I be playing around with rabbit ears or the loop for these??
Unless you want to get 67 (physical 7), all local stations are UHF, not VHF.

I only watch TV using rabbit ears. I live in Amherst, probably west of your location. Half of my house is brick, the other half is sided.

Some suggestions:
- Since they are unnecessary, lower the rabbit ears
- Adjust by turning the antenna. Turn slowly and wait (I find it takes a few seconds to adjust to the new antenna location)
- 2, 4, 7 are to the South or Southeast of your location. Try getting the antenna near a window - a Southern window is preferred. But, I have received 2, 4, 7 in the sided portion of the house far from a window.
- Move the wires from the antenna to the TV to be away from any electric wire. Moving the wires twice as far apart will give one quarter as much interference. A few inches of separation is good. Touching is bad.

I receive the best signal in the sided part of the house far from the windows when I am careful of the positions of the wires.

I find 23, 29, 17 to be the strongest followed by 2 & 4 with 7 close behind. 49 is the weakest but I can receive 49 except in a heavy rain.

Unless you want to get 67 (physical 7), all local stations are UHF, not VHF.

I only watch TV using rabbit ears. I live in Amherst, probably west of your location. Half of my house is brick, the other half is sided.

Some suggestions:
- Since they are unnecessary, lower the rabbit ears
- Adjust by turning the antenna. Turn slowly and wait (I find it takes a few seconds to adjust to the new antenna location)
- 2, 4, 7 are to the South or Southeast of your location. Try getting the antenna near a window - a Southern window is preferred. But, I have received 2, 4, 7 in the sided portion of the house far from a window.
- Move the wires from the antenna to the TV to be away from any electric wire. Moving the wires twice as far apart will give one quarter as much interference. A few inches of separation is good. Touching is bad.

I receive the best signal in the sided part of the house far from the windows when I am careful of the positions of the wires.

I find 23, 29, 17 to be the strongest followed by 2 & 4 with 7 close behind. 49 is the weakest but I can receive 49 except in a heavy rain.

Unfortunately, I'm limited to where to park the TV right now. It's on the north end of my house and not close to any windows.

Since the antenna I'm using is amplified, I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed that WGRZ keeps working!!

Unfortunately, I'm limited to where to park the TV right now. It's on the north end of my house and not close to any windows.

Since the antenna I'm using is amplified, I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed that WGRZ keeps working!!

If you're using an amplified antenna, your problem could be signal overload, which results in no signal at all. Have you tried unplugging the antenna to turn the amplification off? That may be your solution. If pr92 is correct and you can get stations in with a paper clip, I'm thinking overload.

Unfortunately, I'm limited to where to park the TV right now. It's on the north end of my house and not close to any windows.

Since the antenna I'm using is amplified, I think I'll just keep my fingers crossed that WGRZ keeps working!!

I didn't know you were already using an amplified antenna. You should try decreasing the amplifier or see if their's an on/off switch. Now it sounds like your overloading the channels which explains why your tv can't get them. If you can't turn off the amplifier get a basic indoors antenna because they don't have an amplifier & are $10 or less. If you unplug the amplified antenna your TV will stop receiving all channels. Trust me because i currently have an amplified antenna in my bedroom. You can also make an antenna out of a paper clip. My Living Room TV uses a Paper Clip to receive WPXJ-DT3 (ION Life) because TWC doesn't carry it.

I would never of guesses WIVB would of been last to go HD for their news. I also never would of guessed 'You missed it news' (WKBW) beat them to the punch line.

have said that, it's clear, last is best as whichever cameras and studio equipment WIVB choose, it sure beats out whatever WKBW is using. Unlike WGRZ that is using SD cameras cropped for 16x9 (which still amazes me how good they look), the other two are HD, but WKBW's 'look' is only marginally better than WGRZ.

Watching the new anchor woman (forgot the name) on WIVB, clearly shows the difference between the three stations. The only two criticisms I have are the excessive blue on WIVB's set and the low chroma from the cameras themselves making the 'talent' very pale in comparison to the background.

Looks like a one-off but great to see the Sabres OTA again! :D

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabres-nhl/article723379.ece

They (MSG) want a 53% rate increasing?? Who/what do they think they are, some overpaid, useless CEO or company president? :p

Yep, a rate increase that both Fios and DirecTV already paid.

The same percentage??
Then you can blame them for the lack of MSG on TWC. If they didn't give in so quickly............

I know the increase was significant. I have no idea if it was 53% or not. I also know, that in the case of DirecTV, the deal went down to the 13th hour, but was struck at midnight the day that the contract was set to expire.

I didn't know DirecTV & Verizon Fios gave MSG the 53% Increase they wanted. If the only way MSG will return to TWC is to give them the 53% more money they want then i hope TW drops MSG for good because i really can't afford to see my cable bill go up. It's already at the max for my budget.

I just found this article on WGRZ.com that says a new law may force TWC & MSG to make an agreement. http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/154352/13/New-Law-Could-Force-MSG--Time-Warner-to-Make-a-Deal

Unlike WGRZ that is using SD cameras cropped for 16x9 (which still amazes me how good they look), the other two are HD, but WKBW's 'look' is only marginally better than WGRZ.


As far as I know WGRZ IS using HD studio cameras and has been shortly after KB went HD.

Someone else has claimed that, but if so, you would never know it. They look about the same as thy did when they went 16x9.

From The New York Times

Time Warner Cable and MSG Resolve Dispute

By HOWARD BECK and RICHARD SANDOMIR

The 48-day standoff between the MSG Network and Time Warner Cable ended Friday, according to two people aware of the resolution who were not authorized to speak publicly.

The end of the impasse will be announced Friday afternoon by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and executives of both companies. A settlement had been urged by Eric T. Schneiderman, the state’s attorney general. The governor’s intervention in the past 24 hours with James L. Dolan, executive chairman of Madison Square Garden, and Glenn Britt, chief executive of Time Warner Cable, accelerated the agreement.

The blackout deprived many Knicks fans around the state of seeing much of the rapid rise to stardom of point guard Jeremy Lin — as well as the continued success of the New York Rangers.

The impasse began Jan. 1 with the companies disagreeing angrily over what Time Warner Cable would pay to continue carrying MSG. Time Warner Cable, which serves more than two million customers, insisted that MSG reneged on a proposal for a 6.5 percent increase late last year and then demanded a 54 percent hike. MSG has never discussed figures publicly but said Time Warner’s were not accurate.

Thanks for the post Ken,

Gee, maybe TWC will stop playing musical channels and leave the home games on a single RF channel, not switched and in the clear as they use to do. :rolleyes:

anyone else getting a low signal lately on CBC? Based off the signal meter on the tv i used to be at 95-100%. For over a week I am borderline 80%

Is something up with wnyo? We used to have it very reliably, but now it's rare that we can lock on it. 2/4/7 are fine here.

If we have your info correct, as you posted the time frame and I think we do and the "condo" mention. You owe for services delivered, not only on your TV's, cable lines run through your unit, equipment setup, (your equipment), but also for a router of yours that we took the time to set up and try to fix with your ill computer. I do remember advising updating anti virus software and your saying it was not needed. I also recommended a new computer as your's was old.

Sorry to not have you as a customer. At your complex we have the majority of customers and would love to have you join them in saving money and receiving a better service and at a better price.

Regards,
Anametrics

It seems to be that way. Though their broadband service has been improved a bit lately (more stable, less disconnected) but it still slow. I ran my bandwidth test almost every other day. On a really good day their speed is approx 3Mbit/s but on the average I only get 0.5 - 1.5 Mbit/sec. I guess it depends on how many people are using / sharing the bandwidth at that time. When I was with Adelphia (before they were taken over by TW), my speed was rock solid at 3 - 4 Mbit/s all the time. When I called customer service, all she said is that "we are faster than adelphia" and "there is not problem on our side". I guess the only reason I stick with them is that their service is half price of TW.

On the CATV side, it's not that bad. The only problem I have now is that some of my HD tuners don't work with their HD feed (8VSB on Ch80+) so I just lose the luxury of being able to record the shows through my 2nd tuner. Not a big deal. :)

Run a speed test again and if you have a newer TV, do a channel scan. The times they are a changing. More Upgrades are coming this month, March 2012. The world, the net and Anametrics is not "static" We move with the tech and things will change. Our smart customers know this and that's why they've been customers since 1986.

Best Regards,
Anametrics

If we have your info correct, as you posted the time frame and I think we do and the "condo" mention. You owe for services delivered, not only on your TV's, cable lines run through your unit, equipment setup, (your equipment), but also for a router of yours that we took the time to set up and try to fix with your ill computer. I do remember advising updating anti virus software and your saying it was not needed. I also recommended a new computer as your's was old.

Sorry to not have you as a customer. At your complex we have the majority of customers and would love to have you join them in saving money and receiving a better service and at a better price.

Regards,
Anametrics

Did I miss something?

Anyone know what this is about???????

Newbie doesn't know how/where to post,
Or it's the reason the member from Rochester lost WNYO,
Or the forum had a hiccup.

I wondered the same thing when I read that post :)
I even went back and read prior posts to see what it related too.

To be fair to the poster, I had something similar happen to me where a post went to another completely un-related thread.
After I made the post, the thread I was in did not have that post. It took me some time to find it. :o

To be fair to the poster, I had something similar happen to me where a post went to another completely un-related thread.
After I made the post, the thread I was in did not have that post. It took me some time to find it. :o

Technology.....wonderful when it works!!!!

Did we lose channel 29 program info?

Scratch that - it's back :)

Did we lose channel 29 program info?

I phoned WUTV this morning (http://www.wutv29.com/sections/station/) and spoke with Don (I think that's what he said his name was). He wasn't aware of any issue so he told me he look into it. 5 minutes later, EPG was back. :cool:

I find that calling the station when you see stuff like this is the quickest route to getting it resolved. 99% of the time, the person (I'm guessing it is usually the station engineer) is eager to help and happy to hear from the viewers. Today fell into that category. :)

I bet most times when people email the station, it never makes it to the person who it needs to reach. :rolleyes:

Thank you el gran chico and channel 29!

Just a heads up for Sabres fans, Saturday night's game will be on CBC 5.1 (RF 20 over-the-air) at 7pm.

Just a heads up for Sabres fans, Saturday night's game will be on CBC 5.1 (RF 20 over-the-air) at 7pm.

I Just looked at my TV Guide & it says Saturday Night's Sabres game will be on MSG not CBC.

titantv says Buffalo at Toronto on CBC - I guess we'll see at 7:00

I Just looked at my TV Guide & it says Saturday Night's Sabres game will be on MSG not CBC.

Pretty difficult for OTAers to pull in MSG. :D

Does anyone know the physical channel for Toronto's Omni network? My TV picks up an omni on 47; looking at a few places it appears there's a second Omni channel at either 44 or 51, depending on the site I reference. I can't pick up anything on 44 (I'm probably too close to Grand Island and WNED's broadcasts probably prevent picking up anything on 44) and 51 occasionally shows something in the 20% to 30% range but can never get an ID, let alone a lock.

Try channel 51. They're supposed to move to channel 40 based on Trip's site.

CFMT is RF channel 47, virtual channel 47 (really confusing channel numbers here ;))
CJMT is RF channel 51, virtual channel 69 (the weaker of the two)
Programming on both is multi-cultural. All are off the CN tower (at different heights and ERP's)

Now:
There is a potential conflict with CJMT's physical channel 51 and WPXJ's virtual channel 51 (physical 23),
Then there is another conflict with WNLO virtual channel 23 (physical 32) and WPXJ's physical channel 23.
And not to forget the conflict between WKBW virtual channel 7 (physical 38) and WBBZ's physical channel 7 (virtual 67).

Did I forget anything? :confused:

Of course all of that wouldn't of happened if there was no such thing as "virtual" channel numbers in the first place. :mad:

OK I can pick up 47, but getting nada on physical channel 51.
I deleted WPXJ just in case my tuner was having a conflict and still nothing.

Oh well, maybe I can get a better antenna up sometime this summer and try again

Being in NT, you shouldn't have any trouble with either.
What antenna, rotor and location on roof?

OK I can pick up 47, but getting nada on physical channel 51.
I deleted WPXJ just in case my tuner was having a conflict and still nothing.

Oh well, maybe I can get a better antenna up sometime this summer and try again

jt1001001, note that Omni2 is leaving physical channel 51 "shortly" (not sure when but I expect it will be by the end of the summer) and going to physical channel 40. The transmitter will be co-located with the 47 transmitter (a lot higher and more powerful than the current 51 transmitter)

That should make many across the pond happy since it will give them a better chance to p/u WPXJ since that conflict is removed. Why couldn't CITY move to 40 instead. :mad:

Does anyone else periodically notice these odd black and white ‘checkerboard’ type patterns on channel 4 in HD? Especially during scene transitions? They are very quick to flash on screen and it doesn’t appear to be normal pixilation or compression artifacts. This is something I’ve been noticing on the HD feed of WIVB for a long time. I have cable service from Time Warner Rochester and also have DirecTV. Initially I thought it was just a TW problem since the Buffalo locals aren’t too interested in providing a quality feed to TW Rochester, but I’ve noticed the same thing on DirecTV. Does anyone else see this problem with Time Warner Buffalo, Dish or OTA? I’m thinking this is a channel 4 problem, which sucks, because I don’t give a hoot about any of the local channels except for CBS, and to a lesser degree Fox. This is one of the reasons I’m considering ‘moving’ my DirecTV service address to a Rochester address so I can get WROC.

I've never seen it on WIVB. How about the CBS affiliate in Rochester?
Where are you located?

I live in Marilla. Other than unencrypted QAM on cable, I have no access to WROC, so honestly I cannot say as it's too much of a hassle to unhook the cable box and run the line directly to the TV just for one channel waiting for something that may or may not happen. I watch CBS mainly for their primetime line up and NFL football. I don't recall seeing what I describe above on football, but it happens on primetime programming, especially all three CSIs a handful of times per episode. Happened a couple of times on this past week’s episode of Criminal Minds which I recorded on Time Warner, as well as Unforgettable, which I recorded on DirecTV. But it happens on the CSI more predominately for some reason. This past weeks episode of the original CSI was recorded on TW, but it was accidently deleted so I have to watch in on Primetime On Demand.

I’ve had supervisors for Time Warner in Rochester flat out tell me the feeds that the Buffalo local channels provide to them suck, in comparison to what they get from the Rochester stations, in which all locals are received by a direct fiber feed. So I always just wrote this off as a problem from the link between WIVB and TW, but when I see the same thing on DirecTV it makes me wonder. If I lived a mere 1.2 miles east I’d be in Wyoming County and have a few of the Rochester locals on cable and it wouldn’t be an issue.

You are on TWC and the feed is from Rochester, living in Marilla?? :confused:
How about just OTA, do you see it there?

The very eastern portions of Erie (Marilla, Alden & Akron/Newstead) and the very eastern portions of Niagara (Royalton/Middleton & Hartland) counties along with all of Orleans, Genesee and about 95% of Wyoming are all serviced out of the Rochester division. We’ve been Time Warner forever. Aldephia never had any presence in the more rural areas of Western NY east of the cities of Buffalo and Niagara Falls. There was a blurb in the Alden Advertiser once shortly after the Adelphia buyout about switching us to the Buffalo system mainly for the advertising aspect with the commercials TW injects into cable channels. So that we could see Billy Fucellio screaming at us to buy cars from his Grand Island dealerships instead of his dealerships in Greece and we could see commercials for Towne Auto Group instead of Vision. That never did happen, thankfully.

Anyhow, I do not have OTA set up. I have an OTA antenna, Radio Shack VU-190, but I cut the cable to it years ago. I installed it back in the 90s when we had Dish Network and locals were not on satellite unless you lived in NYC or LA. I’ve never had the need to use OTA since I watch nothing on the networks other than CBS primetime programming, NFL on CBS, NFL, MLB and NASCAR on Fox, Animation Domination on Fox, Sunday Night Football on NBC and as much NHL action on NBC as I can stomach before the announcers get to me so much I have to change the channel. I never watch ABC, PBS, My Network TV, CW or whatever channel 67 peddling these days.

So that we could see Billy Fucellio screaming at us to buy cars from his Grand Island dealerships instead of his dealerships in Greece and we could see commercials for Towne Auto Group instead of Vision.I see you are a distinct disadvantage here. :DI never watch ABC, PBS, My Network TV, CW or whatever channel 67 peddling these days.Whats' wrong with PBS, other then the previous administrations budget cuts to PBS severely reducing the quantity of Nova and Frontline programs (and others) produced? The direct opposite of these so called brainless "reality" programs. :rolleyes:
I'm surprised your comment about ABC as they have as much decent programming as CBS does.
As far as the 'kidde' network CW and the other one, MyTV (whatever it is) no loss there. How about WPXJ, they offer the most HD material of all of the 'locals', just the opposite of WNYO & especially WNLO.

It's too bad you are out of range (I assume) of Toronto since there is a decent selection of their programming available (if you look for it) and movies, especially on CHCH.

Back to your original question. It seemed odd what you asked before, then it dawned on me last night. In the past couple of weeks I have noticed the video going to black for one second (not sure if it is between scenes or not, I assume, judging by what you posted. it is) on CBS/WIVB. No "checkerboards", it just drops out for a second. No pattern as far as I can tell. My feed is TWC, so I haven't been able to check out the OTA feed since I record everything.

Apparently, the STB and/or feed you have displays the problem differently than what I see here.

This is a usual occurance with WIVB for years.Only notice this on my big screen and its during primetime.A direct comparision to CFTO will show no blocking during the same seen .This using OTA.

We are talking two different things here. That's a data rate/transfer issue (forgot the proper technical term), I'm talking the screen going completely black, not necessarily between scenes for a second.
Strobes, explosions, fast pans, especially during sporting events, anything that has a very high data rate that the video pipeline can't keep up with.

Haven’t forgot about this, just been putting in some longer then expected hours at work.


I'm surprised your comment about ABC as they have as much decent programming as CBS does.
As far as the 'kidde' network CW and the other one, MyTV (whatever it is) no loss there. How about WPXJ, they offer the most HD material of all of the 'locals', just the opposite of WNYO & especially WNLO.

It's too bad you are out of range (I assume) of Toronto since there is a decent selection of their programming available (if you look for it) and movies, especially on CHCH.

I have no interest in the type of programming PBS provides. Since NYPD Blue ended, on ABC I’ve watched LA Dragnet, Invasion and Flash Forward and nothing else. I think Dragnet lasted two seasons, the other two shows lasted one. I could not name one current primetime show on ABC if my life depended on it. I watched about 10 minutes of the first HD newscast on channel 7, haven’t watched any since, and while basketball is about the only sport I do not follow, I may tune into some of the playoffs on ABC this season if our former home team, the LA Clippers, can make it in. But I don’t think I could sit through an entire game. Most of the time I forget channel 51 even exists, but whenever I’m channel surfing and land on Ion, it’s either showing Criminal Minds or Ghosts Whisperer. I’ve seen every episode of both shows, and while I enjoyed the first few seasons of Ghost Whisperer and Criminal Minds is one of my favorite TV shows of all time, both are repeated quite frequently on other channels.

Unless something really really good comes along, as the network shows I watch either come to an end for good or get canceled, I’m not planning on watching any other network shows in their place. It used to be every Fall, I’d watch just about every new police, law and medical drama on the big 4. Not anymore. The original series on AMC, FX, HBO, Showtime and others are so much better than what’s on the networks it’s not even funny. In fact, other than Criminal Minds, which lately has been hit or miss, Blue Bloods and 2 Broke Girls I could give up all non-Sports related network TV and not be too terribly upset.

I also have no interest in Canadian programming. I subscribe to NHL Center Ice, so I get Hockey Night In Canada. Typically I know Canadian OTA TV is more looser then American TV, but I’d rather watch movies on blu ray or premium cable, where they aren’t edited for content on FCC and CRTC controlled airwaves.

Back to your original question. It seemed odd what you asked before, then it dawned on me last night. In the past couple of weeks I have noticed the video going to black for one second (not sure if it is between scenes or not, I assume, judging by what you posted. it is) on CBS/WIVB. No "checkerboards", it just drops out for a second. No pattern as far as I can tell. My feed is TWC, so I haven't been able to check out the OTA feed since I record everything.

Yes, I’ve been seeing the very short occasional blank screens on channel 4 as well. On Time Warner for sure, I can’t recall if I’ve seen them on DirecTV.


This is a usual occurance with WIVB for years.Only notice this on my big screen and its during primetime.A direct comparision to CFTO will show no blocking during the same seen .This using OTA

Bingo! Yep, that’s it! Yep, it’s usually during fast action sequences and explosions. I cannot believe that the folks at channel 4 are okay with that. If I were an engineer at the station I’d want to know what’s causing it and get it resolved ASAP. As soon as I get my second dish for the 95 degree satellite installed, I’m definitely calling DirecTV and switching over to Rochester locals.

I have no interest in the type of programming PBS provides.
Educational documentaries with no commercials? :confused:I also have no interest in Canadian programming.Expand your horizon. We in WNY are very lucky to have different programming available to us. We are the only market with this amount just across the pond.I’d rather watch movies on blu ray or premium cable, where they aren’t edited for content on FCC and CRTC controlled airwaves.If you don't mind paying "premium" dollars to do so.

Educational documentaries with no commercials?

Nope. No desire to watch educational programming that typically leans left. I watch TV to be entertained not to be put to sleep. I’ve already paid my dues. I spent enough time in high school watching PBS stuff for one lifetime. And correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t PBS interrupt their programming at times every few months for the beg-a-thons?

Expand your horizon. We in WNY are very lucky to have different programming available to us. We are the only market with this amount just across the pond.

My horizon is expanded. I subscribe to the Spanish package on cable. I get plenty of culture there. Don’t speak a word of Spanish but hey for $7 bucks a month I get Playboy en Español which is in English 95% of the time. When I used my antenna, Canadian programming never did much for me other than hockey coverage. On occasion I was able to pick up some channel from Canada very faintly that would simulcast Bills games even when blacked out locally. That was the highlight of me having access to Canadian programming. 5, 9 & 11 used to be on cable here, but Time Warner removed them in the mid 90s.

If you don't mind paying "premium" dollars to do so.

No, I definitely do not. I like my content in it’s true form and uncut. I’ll pay whatever it costs. I’ve subscribed to all of the movie channels for years, on the audio side, I haven’t listened to local radio since August 12 2003, the day I bought my first XM receiver. I cannot listen to/watch/support cut up content. When my antenna was hooked up, I caught the ending of Home Alone on one of the Canadian channels, I think it was CFTO but it might have been Global, can’t remember. Near the end of the movie when Macaulay Culkin is in the tree house and yells ‘Come over here and get me you horsesass’, it was dubbed over with the word ‘horsesbutt’. That about did it for me.

No desire to watch educational programming that typically leans left.That really says a lot about you. :rolleyes:

Shallow conversation ended.

I just wish all cellular service would end so we could get back all those TV channels we once had.
Land lines work fine and they have for almost a century.

I just wish all cellular service would end so we could get back all those TV channels we once had.
Land lines work fine and they have for almost a century.

I'm sure your not the only person who feels that way but maybe the cell phone companies should remove their internet service & they won't need most of the air space they use now. I'm happy with just talk & text on my cell phone. That would be a win win for OTA TV & Cell Phone Lovers. If you want to use the internet turn on your computer.

My post was directed elsewhere, though I stand behind what I posted overall.

I'm sure your not the only person who feels that way but maybe the cell phone companies should remove their internet service & they won't need most of the air space they use now. I'm happy with just talk & text on my cell phone. That would be a win win for OTA TV & Cell Phone Lovers. If you want to use the internet turn on your computer.

Agree about 98%. Cell phone are OK for "emergencies", and it would be great it they shut off when moving more than .5 mph.

Otherwise they are an annoying dangerous distraction.

I just wish all cellular service would end so we could get back all those TV channels we once had.
Land lines work fine and they have for almost a century
We should get rid of cars too because 100 years ago the horse and buggy did the job just fine as well :) Good luck on wishing cellular service going away, but incase you haven’t noticed smartphones are one of the hottest selling electronic devices around and spectrum needed to power the increase in wireless data needs to come from somewhere. Not sure what OTA channels have been lost due to spectrum going to it’s rightful place, cellular, but with digital subchannels as much as I hate them, if anything channels have been gained not lost.

Verizon and their half-sister Verizon Wireless are two companies I absolutely cannot stand, but I really felt sorry for both VZW and their subscriber base here in the Buffalo area that watched 4G LTE get launched in many smaller markets before it finally went live in WNY, due to the Canadian digital switchover. Oh well it’s here now for people to enjoy.

But again, good luck with that whole cell service going away thing, I’m sure the network engineers at Verizon Wireless, AT&T Mobility, Sprint and T-Mobile will be right on that for ya :)


I'm sure your not the only person who feels that way but maybe the cell phone companies should remove their internet service & they won't need most of the air space they use now. I'm happy with just talk & text on my cell phone. That would be a win win for OTA TV & Cell Phone Lovers. If you want to use the internet turn on your computer.

Are you serious? A win for cell phone lovers would be removing cellular data? Yeah, that won’t ever happen. What is the point of a smartphone with no data service? I have an unlimited plan with Sprint, I use a few hundred voice minutes a month, but constantly polish off 7-9GB worth of cellular data on my phone. I stream Pandora or Sirius XM all day while working, use the GPS functionality to do my job, and surf the net and stream HBO when I have some downtime. Plus email, ESPN ScoreCenter Score Alerts, Fox News alerts, using UrbanSpoon to find restaurants, the Time Warner and DirecTV apps to remotely program my DVR if need be. Using the NASCAR app to listen to live incar audio from my favorite drivers, using the NFL Mobile app to stream RedZone and SNF when I can’t be a near TV, using the NHL GameCenter app to stream the Sabres when I can’t be near a TV. No mobile data would make smartphones useless.

Not everyone can be near their home computer at all times. Right now I’m at the café at the Wegman’s on Sheridan Drive having some pizza and wings. I’m typing this on my laptop and will be posting it via my Sprint USB aircard, as I refuse to use public WIFI. I enjoy having my own secure cellular data connection. Would I rather have my 50Mb Road Runner connection? Sure, but I can’t exactly run 20 miles of Ethernet, from my cable modem at home to Williamsville now can I?

We are an ever increasing mobile society. Android based devices have been my latest obsession, I live and die by my cell phone, for the entertainment factor. Many depend on these devices for their livelihood, while my job requires a cell phone, not necessarily a smartphone, but I hardly ever use my company issued phone as it’s just plan annoying to use flip phones Plus when you’re a delivery driver and often get sent into unfamiliar areas, my job does sometimes depend on Google Navigation,

Anyone else with the DTVPal DVR having problems with channel 7 tonight? It is unwatchable - not because Dancing with the Stars is on ;) but because the dropouts are every few seconds. This happened a few weeks ago on a Sunday night during a recording of Once Upon a Time. Couldn't watch it and had to watch it on-line. I'm glad tonight, nothing I like is on.

It is unwatchable - not because Dancing with the Stars is onLMAOROTF.
That's too much. :p

Lot of soapbox rants since I've been here last. Damn.



Has anyone else noticed some pixelation on CBLT, especially during hockey games? It doesn't seem to be an issue any other time, but I confess, I haven't been watching much CBLT these days except for hockey.

LMAOROTF.
That's too much. :p

Glad you got a chuckle out of that one. :)

What is the deal with reception lately. The last few days I'm struggling to get 5 and 57 which are typically rock solid. Are there typical times of year where OTA signals don't travel as far? Is it solar activity? Weather? Or it that just life in the OTA world - some days its good and some days its not so good?

Being in NT, you shouldn't have any trouble with either.
What antenna, rotor and location on roof?

Roof of a 2 story house. I Don't know the antenna make/model because it was here when we moved it; but it is VHF/UHF. Rotor is a Channel Master of some sort with a "digital" control box (can enter the compass direction an program it for channel and corresponding direction). No pre-amp or amp. I do have a 1 to 2 splitter on it, one to the main TV, other split going to a HD Homerun box

Are there typical times of year where OTA signals don't travel as far? Is it solar activity? Weather? Or it that just life in the OTA world - some days its good and some days its not so good?Yep, that's about it. Don't forget, spring has sprung and vegetation is out.I Don't know the antenna make/model because it was here when we moved it; but it is VHF/UHF.Take a pic of the antenna.
Assuming it is ok, I would first replace the balun & feedline. Who knows how long it was up there. ;)

Here's a picture of it. Not a real close up but from teh ground "looks" like the balun is well sealed, but of course I can't tell from the ground
https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=a17c83b88a432c4a&resid=A17C83B88A432C4A!109&parid=A17C83B88A432C4A!105

Looks like the antenna is ok, but low band isn't needed anymore. There are only three high band stations locally and one is suppose to go back to UHF.

Anyway, I would still replace the feedline (probably RG59) with RG6 and the balun. Baluns are notorious for causing problems. They are cheap. beside, that antenna isn't up high at all, easy to get at.

Looks like the antenna is ok, but low band isn't needed anymore. There are only three high band stations locally and one is suppose to go back to UHF.

Anyway, I would still replace the feedline (probably RG59) with RG6 and the balun. Baluns are notorious for causing problems. They are cheap. beside, that antenna isn't up high at all, easy to get at.

Feedline is labled RG-6 (at least that's what's printed on it), but yeah balun could have water in it. I do have a CM 4224 (older design) that I want to get up there and installed but we're probably moving soon anyways so I can live with it for now. Thanks for the advice

Ok on the feedline, but replace the fitting & balun. When/where are you moving to?
4224 single panel 4228? If so, good as gold.

Ok on the feedline, but replace the fitting & balun. When/where are you moving to?
4224 single panel 4228? If so, good as gold.

Yep single panel 4228 one of the "older" designs, Looks like the current 4221, but the reflector is a true grid and not just some "rectangles" . Move time and location to be determined but before the end of the summer.

Ok, got the numbers mixed up, I was thinking of the 4221.
Actually any original CM antenna if far better than this Chinese crap they have their name on now.

I did some compiling of the amount of time local stations provide their PSIP program data for those who do not have a Rovi?TVGOS supplied program Guide or subscribe to a on line supplier (TiVo for example).

Amazing the variance in the amount of time these stations. From nothing at all to a whopping eight full days.

CHCH - none
CBLFT - none
CIII - none (only shows "DTV program")
WBBZ - none (only shows "DTV program")
CFTO - 9 hours
WPXJ - 9 hours
CITY - 9 hours
CFMT - 9 hours
WGRZ - 9 hours (same for their sub channel)
CJMT - 12 hours
WNED - 21 hours (same for their sub channel)
WNYO - 24 hours
WIVB - 27 hours
WNYO - 32 hours
WUTV - 33 hours
CICA - 4 days
CBLT - 8 days

These counts were verified a 2nd time a hour later between 7 and 8 am this morning. It is possible that these figures could vary according to the time of day, or even the day of the week, since it up purely up to the station and whomever is inputting the data to determine how long the schedule goes out.

Until I actually scrolled through CBLT's list I had no idea it could even go out that far. They, unfortunately are the exception. To show that this data isn't necessary correct, look at the 2nd attachment of CICA and the screwy times. Then look at WNYO's sub channel which doesn't need any listings (music videos). The generic "DTV program" is shown for every 6 hours.

How many hours of PSIP guide information are necessary for the US stations to be "compliant" with FCC?

12.

- Trip

Useless. But, what would one expect from the FCC? Should be a entire week. Period.
Three fail right off the bat.

How can i find out what devices have TVGOS?

Very few if any have it anymore.
Check the TVGOS threads in RPTV's, Technical or in HD Recorders.

Well I managed to get CITY for a little while earlier in the week. Now the neighbor's tree is starting to leaf and the antenna has to point right through it and now no CITY any more.

There were two or three early mornings a few days ago where reception was up. It usually dies around mid morning. On the reverse side, the other day was the opposite. Loss of usually consistent stations; CFTO, CIII & CHCH.

A few points here:

- I see real data on CIII for a several weeks now. It was "DTV program" for months (or even years?) but it's all good now
- pretty sure CBLT gives you 168 hours worth (7 days * 24 hours)
- the data comes in 3 hour blocks called "EIT"s (event information table) each of which also has an associated "ETT" (extended text table)
- the FCC mandates at least 4 EITs are used. The CRTC in Canada has no requirement although most systems Canadian broadcasters use are FCC-compliant systems
- the EIT blocks are on the UTC clock and run from midnight to 3am, 3am to 6am, etc.
- the Eastern time zone is 4 hours behind UTC when we are daylight saving time, 5 hours behind on standard time. So at this time of the year, the blocks run from 8pm to 11pm, 11pm to 2am, 2 am to 5am, etc. In the winter, they run from 7pm to 10pm, 10pm to 1am, 1am to 4am, etc.
- as time progress through a block, the amount of data the viewer sees appears to shorten, then appears to jump back up when it cross into the next time block.
- a program that starts in the last block that runs past the end time of the last block will appear in its entirety, giving the viewer more than the usual amount of data (example: a show that runs 9pm to midnight would seem like a station has extended it's data but it's just temporary)
- main channels and subchannels always have the same number of EITs but because of the last program in the last block extending past the end time, it can appear to be different amounts of data sometimes
- if you are running TSReader on your computer, it will tell you exactly what the station is sending. Generally speaking, the broadcasters keep the number of EITs they use constant.




I did some compiling of the amount of time local stations provide their PSIP program data for those who do not have a Rovi?TVGOS supplied program Guide or subscribe to a on line supplier (TiVo for example).

Amazing the variance in the amount of time these stations. From nothing at all to a whopping eight full days.

CHCH - none
CBLFT - none
CIII - none (only shows "DTV program")
WBBZ - none (only shows "DTV program")
CFTO - 9 hours
WPXJ - 9 hours
CITY - 9 hours
CFMT - 9 hours
WGRZ - 9 hours (same for their sub channel)
CJMT - 12 hours
WNED - 21 hours (same for their sub channel)
WNYO - 24 hours
WIVB - 27 hours
WNYO - 32 hours
WUTV - 33 hours
CICA - 4 days
CBLT - 8 days

These counts were verified a 2nd time a hour later between 7 and 8 am this morning. It is possible that these figures could vary according to the time of day, or even the day of the week, since it up purely up to the station and whomever is inputting the data to determine how long the schedule goes out.

Until I actually scrolled through CBLT's list I had no idea it could even go out that far. They, unfortunately are the exception. To show that this data isn't necessary correct, look at the 2nd attachment of CICA and the screwy times. Then look at WNYO's sub channel which doesn't need any listings (music videos). The generic "DTV program" is shown for every 6 hours.

el gran chico; Thanks for the good post.
I realize it depends on the time of day and even the specific hour the 'sample' is taken. As I did dtate, that example was only from the time period and the probality that it would/will be different at another time was there.
I can now say after casually looking at other 'samples' (for lack of a better term) those figures I provided are not typical, namely for CBLT.

Part of the problem may be the receiver I'm using as it does have some 'bugs' in the firmware that I'm waiting for a update for. I will post back when it gets updated.

That "DTV program", I assume it is some type of default entry when no other text is entered?

the FCC mandates at least 4 EITs are used.Which means at least 12 hours of programming should be available, correct depending on exactly when in that 3 hour period you view the data?
Or should I say between 9 and 15 hours of data?