Is this for real? :) Sounds like a Cliff Clavin quote. Unless someone else can tell me different, this is what I have understood for years.

Who is Cliff Calvin?

I'm assuming he meant Cliff Clavin - you know, from Cheers! :)

http://jamiegaines.com/stuff/cliff_claven2.jpg

Never watch Cheers..........

The only way is to do a 'scan' with a SLM and see if there is actually signal on those missing channels.

My turn for a question now ;) What's an SLM?

My turn for a question now ;) What's an SLM?

Signal Level Meter?

As some of you may know (I know videobruce does!) I'm having trouble getting QAM channels at my place with Adelphia cable. I'm hoping some others of you are doing that here and can help me out.

I've verified this with different sets and on different cables in my apartment and I've tried every possible amp/splitter/etc. combo. It's got to be some "interferrence" or something but no one can seem to explain it. And no amount of searching online finds anyone out there with similar issues!

It'll be "difficult" to have Adelphia come out to fix the problem (if it is something they can figure out and fix) since my landlords let me share their cable which I don't think is 100% legit according to Adelphia.

I've tried calling Adelphia but their people all just tell me I need an HD STB or CableCard to receive HD. Whatever.

Anyway, when I run a channel scan, here's what I get. Does anyone else get something similar?

It finds these digital channels:

73.128 - 73.149, all blank
75.1 - 75.12 except 75.2, all blank
401
404-419
431
439
441

All the 400-level channels are labeled "MC01" etc. and they're "Music Choice" channels. Sometimes they come in, sometimes they don't.

Anyone help here?

Surely someone else is viewing clear QAM channels in WNY. Can someone share what exact channels THEY get?

Anyone help here?

Surely someone else is viewing clear QAM channels in WNY. Can someone share what exact channels THEY get?


I 've got an xtra Fusion card lying around here somewhere. If Adelphia hasn't cut off my canceled service yet, I'll see I can find anything on a scan.

I 've got an xtra Fusion card lying around here somewhere. If Adelphia hasn't cut off my canceled service yet, I'll see I can find anything on a scan.

OK, here is the non-encrypted stuff I found that actually had a pic or sound

RF 75&78 256QAM - Music Channels
RF 83 256QAM Info
RF 87 256QAM - WNEDDT3
RF 88 256QAM - WGRZ, WIVB, WNED
RF 89 256QAM - WKBW, HDNET, HDNETMovies
RF 94 256QAM - VOD Previews

Could/would you expand on those and list the sub channel range; e.g., 75.1-75.14? Also break down what sub channel each of want yoy listed above is on.

Remember those are for the old International system only. There is also the old TIC and Jones systems. Though it might appear the digital channels might be the same for all three systems as WKBW is on 89.3 in Buffalo (not re-mapped).

Could/would you expand on those and list the sub channel range; e.g., 75.1-75.14? Also break down what sub channel each of want yoy listed above is on.

Remember those are for the old International system only. There is also the old TIC and Jones systems. Though it might appear the digital channels might be the same for all three systems as WKBW is on 89.3 in Buffalo (not re-mapped).

Well, it was a little tough to tell exactly how the Fusion app was mapping these down, so I just took screenshots.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showgallery.php?si=Adelphia+QAM&x=0&y=0&limit=

They are hosted at avs and can be found by searching the image galley for ADELPHIA
QAM (Which is what the above link does for you)

videobruce,

Are you still able to hone in on the signal for CTV40 with some regularity? If so, could you define your trap setup? At best, I can only pull in a fleeting bar or two and I'm beginning to suspect the overload from neighboring frequencies could be contributing to the degredation.

Also, I thought by this point in the year we were supposed to see an increase in the number of Canadian signals; Global, Omni 1 & 2, etc.

Yes, never have lost it. It appears to hover between -32 and -38 dbmV direct off the antenna (through 15' of RG6).

The 'trap' issue shouldn't be as much a issue for you out in Cheektowaga as it is for me with the '3 stooges' breathing down my neck (I shouldn't really include WNED in that mix). UHF 40 is by its lonesome. Nothing close to it to bother it.
You just need a better/higher antenna or a shorter/better downlead or possible a amp.

Simply moving the antenn to another prt of the roof might be all tbhat is needed. remember at UHF wavelengths distance and location is critical. A few feet might make a difference. ;)

Heck, with my indoor antenna a few INCHES makes a difference! I'm going to buy some long coax cable this week and see how my antenna performs at different corners of the room and maybe a bit higher. Although I don't look forward to finding a nice way to hide the cable alongside the corners of the wall if it works.

I did some additional QAM searching. Got slightly different results. Here's what I got. Same Music Channels as before (400 range) so I won't type those again. All these below are just blank :( I got some voices for a split second on one - so there's channels there somewhere! ;)

73.128 - .149
75.1 - 75.12
76.1 - .5, .8 - .17 (no .16)
77.1 - .13 (no .2)
78.1 - .3, .9 - .12, .19 - .43

What's additionally weird is that some of the channels come thru as "turned on" in my Preferred Channels (meaning I can ChUp and ChDown to them) and some are "turned off". Although they're all blank. :(

I'm gonna keep trying various scans to see if anything in the 80's show up as that's the good stuff it seems.

I still don't know why the 'in the clear' channels don't show. Do you have access to the attic?

No, don't have attic access.

Well, I probably could, but it wouldn't be convenient.

Doesn't have to be "convenient", just doable.....................

I did some additional QAM searching. Got slightly different results. Here's what I got. Same Music Channels as before (400 range) so I won't type those again. All these below are just blank :( I got some voices for a split second on one - so there's channels there somewhere! ;)

73.128 - .149
75.1 - 75.12
76.1 - .5, .8 - .17 (no .16)
77.1 - .13 (no .2)
78.1 - .3, .9 - .12, .19 - .43

What's additionally weird is that some of the channels come thru as "turned on" in my Preferred Channels (meaning I can ChUp and ChDown to them) and some are "turned off". Although they're all blank. :(

I'm gonna keep trying various scans to see if anything in the 80's show up as that's the good stuff it seems.

Sorry i couldn't give you the channel list in a format that matches 100% with your receiver. I mainly only use OTA, and the way the Fusion app showed the Adelphia QAM channel mapping was a little confusing. Funny things is, I am a techie, and it should be easy to understand. Shoot, it only took me a few years, lol, to get the hang of the OTA channel mapping ;-)

I didn't want or expect that.

I'm not familar with the Fusion cards. Do they have the ability to turn off channel mapping as the MyHD card does?

Just list what it shows. I'm just looking for some channel map of any kind in both International and Jones old systems.

Adelphia is still using stuff from the old Jones Intercable days? *shudder* I remember that name from when I was a kid... they went out in the early 80's didn't they?

I don't know, but AFAIK, it is a separate system with a separate HE (head end). The channel line-up is different between the three systems, at least the analog channels are.

So THAT'S why their analog lineups differ from suburb to suburb?

Sheesh... you'd like in the past 20+ years they could have somehow consolidated things :rolleyes:

Well, I guess it wasn't THAT long ago after all.

I just found some info that says that Orchard Park (where I grew up and remember Jones from) renewed a 10-year contract with Jones in ... 1995.

Then it seems in Oct 95 Adelphia finally wrestled control away from Jones in all the remaining suburbs that Jones still had... OP, Lancaster, Clarence, Elma and some places in Niagara County. Looks like Lancaster and OP were the most notable 'hold outs'.

Anyway, I return everyone to the previous subject... sorry for my history diversion!

I didn't want or expect that.

I'm not familar with the Fusion cards. Do they have the ability to turn off channel mapping as the MyHD card does?

Just list what it shows. I'm just looking for some channel map of any kind in both International and Jones old systems.

lol,no worries, I love to mess around with stuff like that. You know how it is, sometimes you want to play more and find out the answer, but someone keeps calling you away...... ;-)

I'll poke around the fusion threads when I have some time today and see if I can find out. I did try checking for a config file that may have the mappins, but I think it is kep in the registry in binary

videobruce,

Thanks for the input. I'm using a diplexor to feed my second DTV feed with the antenna feed into the house. I'm sure this is contributing to signal degredation. I do have a 19db pre-amp at the split-off point in the house because I didn't think I could mount it outside prior to the diplexed single feed. Do you know anything about this?

Well, I've given up on QAM (again). But I moved my antenna and so far so good, solid lock on 2, 4, 7, 29 and 90% of the time 43 too.

I've probably asked these questions before but I figured I'd ask again.

a) does anyone know if WIVB plans to broadcast their sister station WNLO in HD when it becomes The CW in the fall? If so, will it just be on 4.2 and 23.2 which is where I get the SD version now?

b) is WIVB the only station to broadcast on 2 different numbers like that? I only get 7 on 7 and 2 on 2 (once I think 2 did thru on 33 instead but just once and I couldn't replicate it).

c) are WIVB's two stations (4 and 23) from different towers? Because when I get one doesn't guarantee I get the other

d) with all my various antenna positions I have never got ch 49. Is that normal? Are they low power or in a weird place or something? (not that there's much to watch on it anyway)

WIVB 4/39 is across the road from of WKBW 7/38 in Colden.
WNYO 23/32 is over on Gilligans Island along with WNED 17/43 & WUTV 29/14.

49/3 (forgot the call) is out in east-farmers-bumf*** just over the county line, east of East Aurora. Their digital ERP in only 650 watts.

"The CW"??? Continuous wave?

Cool, that makes sense why I don't always get 4 when I get 23. Although I should get 23 when I get 43 & 29. Oh well, I guess it doesn't matter since I get 4 and at least now my TV has "stored" all the channels - even 23 even though it comes in a little spotty.

It took me forever to find the perfect spot so my channel scan would find EVERY available channel. I never did figure out how to add channels manually so doing scan after scan after scan was my only option.


The CW is the new network formed by the merger of UPN & The WB. It will be on WNLO 23 this Fall.

WNYO (WB49) will be Fox's MyNetworkTV which is showing serialized nightly soaps (similar to spanish Telenovelas) nightly M-F. I don't care about that but I do care about a few shows on The CW.

Thrill me, what does "CW" stand for??

Their moving their transmitter to Grand Island site very soon with 175kw.

Just what I need, more unwanted RF from Gilligans Island. :mad:

Trash TV: waste of electricity and bandwidth.

This may seem like a funny question, but can wind affect signal strength? Yesterday afternoon both 2 and 29 HD froze up a lot and lost signal for a second or two (7 came in fine with no dropouts). 29 was worse. This is the first time in the month that I've had my HDTV and antenna that I've had this problem. Could there be another reason?

is WIVB the only station to broadcast on 2 different numbers like that? I only get 7 on 7 and 2 on 2 (once I think 2 did thru on 33 instead but just once and I couldn't replicate it).

2 also comes in on 33.1 (same as 2.1) and 33.2 (same as 2.2).

can wind affect signal strength? Not the wind, but the trees blowing in the wind...............especially at UHF frequencies.

Indiana627; I think he means having two SEPARATE channels, not a sub-channel of a major channel as your example.

Their moving their transmitter to Grand Island site very soon with 175kw.

Cool. Is 175kw on par with other stations broadcasting from the Island?

(not that that network is gonna show anything decent when it becomes MyNetworkTV but I'll take another channel I guess)

Nope - Indiana got me. I was wondering if 2 also broadcast on 33. Interesting though that my TV got "33" in just once ever in the dozens and dozens of scans I've done.

Mid-week last week I got my antenna in the best position ever so I've been addictively scanning them all the time to see how reliable they are. For days it was lock solid on every channel (my TV doesn't list actual signal strength so I just have to go by whether my picture breaks up).

Yesterday 43 (PBS) was spottier than usual and 29 (WUTV) was really bad. Maybe I was bit by trees in the wind too. By evening and this morning it seemed better.

I've heard signals can be better in warmer weather? Is that true? Seeing that we're in Buffalo will I lose a ton during the chilly winter months?

Cool. Is 175kw on par with other stations broadcasting from the Island?

That is pretty close to WNED 43. WNLO 23 is 1 000 000 kW (so they say).

And I always lose WGRZ when the weather warms up in May.

Is it the warm weather that does it or blossoming trees blocking the signal?

Is it the warm weather that does it or blossoming trees blocking the signal?

I have no trees blocking my line of sight. I beleive it is the warm weather and WGRZ's small tower. WKBW is at less power and it is one of my best signals!

So warm weather makes things worse?

http://www.anarc.org/wtfda/propagation.htm

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/2941/info/propagation.html

http://www.dxing.com/tvfmdx.htm

On a separate subject, it appears TCI (Aldelphia) has added TBS to their 'in the clear' channel lineup. Unless it is a 'fluke', I did a re-scan this AM and it appeared. Mind you it ISN'T HD, but it is digital.

Interesting. Is that their only non-HD channel in the clear?

If so - fluke?

I didn't even think any of their lower-than-100 channels were digital?


Dammit, I really don't want to disconnect my antenna and run ANOTHER QAM-scan to see what happens... cause I may lose my antenna channels!

I don't know what the actual channel is, the HP/Sharp tuner incorrectly ID's it as ch. '0'.

I noticed TBS on channel 823 and Discovery on channel 840 last week on Adelphia. They have since disappeared.

I wrote the forum and ask help before. Since then, I tried several times but I don't get all the channels. I have HTPC with MS Media Center. I tried to watch HDTV channels using ATI HDTV card. Card works fine but the sensitivity may not be great. It came with silver-sensor-looking antenna. It works fine if you get exact location and direction. If I rotate it to Grand Is (SW). I can get PBS and Fox (Fox seems less powered recently) and CBS (not as strong as others), ABC (cutoffs frequently) and no NBC . If I rotate to S-SE I can get NBC only and others would be weak. So I bought a real silver sensor and I connect it to a splitter (2-way) with the other one and rotate them to SW and SE. I can get Fox (weak), PBS and NBC but no ABC or CBS. The antennas are in the garage (attach to the roof). I also tried from the second floor but I didn't see any diffrence. What would you suggest. I would prefer not to use a rotor or outside antenna. I live near North French Sweet Home inersection.

Thanks.

You should put your town in your profile. Makes thing easier.

Stations from different directions pretty much require a separate antenna for each station or direction or a single antenna that can turn.

It's kind of hard to get around this. With digital, you have an advantage. You can try to find a direction that can get aal or at least as many as possible as long as reflections don't destroy the data stream too much that error corection won't correct for it.

Try the 'Hardware' forum for more. This question is asked almost every other day.

You should put your town in your profile. Makes thing easier.

Stations from different directions pretty much require a separate antenna for each station or direction or a single antenna that can turn.

It's kind of hard to get around this. With digital, you have an advantage. You can try to find a direction that can get aal or at least as many as possible as long as reflections don't destroy the data stream too much that error corection won't correct for it.

Try the 'Hardware' forum for more. This question is asked almost every other day.

Thanks. Can splitter reduce the signal strength a lot ? Because individual connections give much better results. I will check hardware section.

3db on paper
3.5 db is the usual figure for 2-way splitters
I always figure 4 db taking into account F fitting loss and the fact most splitter figures are referenced to the lower channels. Besides, it makes it easier to figure whole numbers and I would rather error in MY favor.

I live in N. Buffalo and I'm trying to figure out which channels I can get realistically get with a Zenith Silver Sensor. I'm really trying to get the FOX HD channel, but I haven't been successful yet.

You should be able to get WUTV's digital signal form N. Buffalo with a Silver Sensor. I can near Children's Hospital. My setup is VERY finicky. Sometimes some stations come in, some days they don't. At absolute best (I actually did a channel scan today because it seemed like my signal was really good today) I can get:

2.1 and 2.2
4.1 and 4.3
7.1 and 7.2
23.1 and 23.3 (which is the same as 4.x)
29.1, 29.2, 29.3
43.1, 43.2, 43.3

I'm in a 2nd floor apt (not great sky views but good enough I guess) and my Silver Sensor is on my fireplace mantle to give you an idea of height. It has to be set JUST RIGHT to get all of those channels.

I just turned on FOX HD now (baseball game) and it's coming in good.

I live in N. Buffalo and I'm trying to figure out which channels I can get realistically get with a Zenith Silver Sensor. I'm really trying to get the FOX HD channel, but I haven't been successful yet.

I'm out in Wheatfield and use the Terk TV5 (I'm pretty sure that's the model number - it's the one that looks like a bowtie). I got it at CC; BB has it too. I get all the channels cwoody222 mentioned in his post plus 33.1 and 33.2 (which are mirrors of 2.1 and 2.2). I very rarely have a problem with any of them. I'm amazed at how good the Terk is. The game looked great last night. Glad the AL pulled it out. Did they have a mic in the catcher's mit - the pop of the ball in their gloves was amazing!

Stick w/ the Silver Sensor.

Terk is the 'Monster cable' of antennas (not referring to price).

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Monster cable of antennas." I'm not being defensive, just curious.

Could it be because legend and hype lead certain people to believe that monster cable is way better than regular cable, and they pay dearly for this magical performance, only to discover its performance is equal (or inferior) to lesser priced, ordinary cables?

I'm not sure what you mean by "the Monster cable of antennas." It wasn't that good of a choice for an analogy, but the point I tried to make is, both are grossly overrated. For Monster Cable, you can also add grossly overpriced.

FWIW: analog channel 69 out of Toronto is up and running. No idea when, I only came across it by accident by doing a scan with my new DVR. It's the Omni Network which is similar to analog ch. 47.

Anyone seeing issues with WNEDDT and WNEDDT3 showing OK signal but no picture? But, WNEDDT2 comes in OK.

Not exactly. But I often see where 43.1 is blocky and I can't lock a signal but 43.2 and .3 are coming in fine. Very strange.

FWIW: analog channel 69 out of Toronto is up and running. No idea when, I only came across it by accident by doing a scan with my new DVR. It's the Omni Network which is similar to analog ch. 47.

What DVR are you using to record HD content OTA?

Anyone with Directv noticed Fox 29 SD looks really terrible since this weekend? Lots of noise or something in the picture, almost like a dissolve from one scene to another or something. I don't think it's a Directv issue since all the other locals are on the same transponder and they all look fine. In fact, signal strength for Fox 29 is locked at 100% for me.

Anyone with Directv noticed Fox 29 SD looks really terrible since this weekend? Lots of noise or something in the picture, almost like a dissolve from one scene to another or something. I don't think it's a Directv issue since all the other locals are on the same transponder and they all look fine. In fact, signal strength for Fox 29 is locked at 100% for me.

Yeah, I've noticed this as well. How does it look through the UHF antenna?

Stick w/ the Silver Sensor.

Terk is the 'Monster cable' of antennas (not referring to price).

I have a Terk powered FM antenna. Complete waste of money. Works just as well powered as unpowered- badly.

Yeah, I've noticed this as well. How does it look through the UHF antenna?
Seems like they got it fixed because Seinfeld looked fine at 10PM last night.

Hello,

Called D* last night about the HR10-250, and while I couldn't get the free deal being discussed on many other boards, they did offer enough of a discount to make me think about it. One thing the rep said was that when recording OTA HD channels (which is the main reason I want the unit), you have to be careful that the local stations are sending out updated guide info. My question is: how good are the Buffalo locals at sending out updated guide info? I've always been impressed with the accuracy of D* guide info for my SD Tivo and the speed that they make last minute changes. I'd hate to miss a rescheduled show due to outdated guide info. Thanks for the feedback.

I'd question if that's really how that unit works over in the tivocommunity forum. That's not how I thought it works. I'm pretty sure ALL guide data comes from the satellite. And DTV doesn't get it from the HD-signal, they buy it from a datasource such as Tribune.

However, that said, the Buffalo data is pretty good. I think once WUTV was listing the schedule for the following day but I figured that was some date problem on their end or something.

I scored one on "the deal". It gets the guide data from the sat not the ota stream, some of the OTA channels for Buffalo show up incorrect, 23-1, 23-3 are incorrect and there is no way to fix it as far as I know. There are others with issues but I can't remember which now. (I'm at work).

Where does DTV get their guide data from (not only for local HDs but for everything)? Do they license data from a company like Tribune/Zap2It? Or do they compile it themselves?

If it's from Tribune, then the incorrect listing CAN be corrected by contacting zap2it.com Non-DTV TiVo users do this all the time.

Even if they compile it themselves, DTV should address the issue.

WKBWDT is not showing British Open in HD. Yet, WABCDT out of NY is showing an HD feed. Any logical reason why the local WKWBDT would not be showing the HD feed? Anyone have a good contact phone number or email for someone at WKBW that might have a clue?

EDIT: At 10:00 AM while I was on hold with WKBW, they "flipped" that magic HD switch

EDIT: As of Sunday at 9:51am still NOT HD British Open on WKBWDT but on WABCDT out of NY there is HD.

God, who runs things down at WKWB. I would love to hear why things like this happen. Does someone need to set an alarm clcok to wake up and flip that magic switch, lol

Thanks for the info regarding the HR10-250. I think I'm going to get one as long as I can get the wife to agree. :D Might be hard since I just bought my HDTV and our first baby is due next month. Cross your fingers for me!

Indiana,

Congratulations with your new addition to your family! I was in the same shoe but my wife couldn't agree to paying $50 plus for satellite TV. So we ended up buying HDTV tuner card for PC and couldn't be happier. In fact, I recently bought 2nd card, so that I can record 2 shows at once.

With the right software, I get the TV schedule from the internet (zap2it) and can remap the TV channels. As someone discussed the PSIP data are not accurate in Buffalo. For example, 23-1 is actually CBS stream but the schedule shows it as UPN so I had to remap it. No problem.

It doesn't really cost that much. See my signature below for my specs.

I have a Mitsubishi DLP set with two digital tuners. I live in Cheektowaga, NY near the airport. With an indoor antenna I easily get the local NBC,CBS, & ABC hi-def feeds. I also get these thru Adelphia cable. Channel 29 (local Fox Network) is only available in analog on my cable system. I can't get any lock on the digital OTA signal with my tv.

Before I invest in an outdoor antenna I would like to know if anyone around the area is picking up the Hi-Def signal from channel 29. If so, how is the quality & what antenna are you using? To be honest via the cable system & Directv the channel 29 picture sucks compared to the other local stations. Anyone else notice this?

If I would get an outdoor antenna then I would want to get the longest range one possible so I could get Toronto, Rochester & Erie stations also.

With football season coming I would like to get the FOX games in hi-def. Any help & responses would be appreciated.

via the cable system & Directv the channel 29 picture sucks compared to the other local stations Nothing new, especially with a overly compressed satellite feed.

A silver sensor should do the trick, but why not go w/ a decent outdoor antenna.
If you haven't seen it take a look here (there is more out there than you think);
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7625830&&#post7625830

PS; welcome to the forums.

Before I invest in an outdoor antenna I would like to know if anyone around the area is picking up the Hi-Def signal from channel 29. If so, how is the quality & what antenna are you using?
I live in Wheatfield and use a Terk TV5 indoor antenna. Some say it's over priced, but for the great reception it gives me, I'll gladly pay $40-50. I get all the locals including Fox with no problem. I never have to adjust the antenna at all. CC doesn't carry them anymore, but BB still does. I just bought one this weekend as a birthday gift. Just my $.02.

I'm in downtown Buffalo and I get 29 via a Silver Sensor (indoor).

Is there any changes to 'in the clear' QAM channels since Time Warner took over?

anyone have any updates on PAX TV (WPXJ 51) and when their digital broadcast will be up and running?....

i know they had planned to broadcast on 53, but that conflicted with CITY Toronto on 53

is there a new channel assigned yet...

Cwoody222: Just did a scan & yes channels have moved. HDNET & HD Movies are no below channel 2 long with some of the on demand preview channels. Will have to check the rest later.

anyone have any updates on PAX TV (WPXJ 51) and when their digital broadcast will be up and running?....

i know they had planned to broadcast on 53, but that conflicted with CITY Toronto on 53

is there a new channel assigned yet...
WPXJ has applied to use channel 23 for digital after the analog shut down in 2009.IT has not been approved yet.I bet Canada will find away to make a conflict.

Question about FIOS- does the service Verizon is adding also cover TV or is it just broadband internet?

Question about FIOS- does the service Verizon is adding also cover TV or is it just broadband internet?

"Fios" is just broadband internet.

"FiosTV" is their television product.

They can offer Fios internet wherever they want. And they are in parts of the southtowns (Boston, OP. Hamburg now I think).

FiosTV requires them to get approval from the local/state governments because cable companies have exclusive contracts. They have not announced any imminent FiosTV in this market yet. Presumably they're trying to get as many markets as possible but there's been no specific mentions of them trying in this market as of yet.

"Fios" is just broadband internet.

"FiosTV" is their television product.

They can offer Fios internet wherever they want. And they are in parts of the southtowns (Boston, OP. Hamburg now I think).

FiosTV requires them to get approval from the local/state governments because cable companies have exclusive contracts. They have not announced any imminent FiosTV in this market yet. Presumably they're trying to get as many markets as possible but there's been no specific mentions of them trying in this market as of yet.

OK, thanks...time to drop DirectTV and switch to Dish...

Cwoody222: Just did a scan & yes channels have moved. HDNET & HD Movies are no below channel 2 long with some of the on demand preview channels. Will have to check the rest later. Are you in the surburbs or IN Buffalo??

Cheektowaga, out near the airport.

On my 32 Philips with built in tuner 43.1 shows no picture, sound is fine. All other channels and 43.2 & 43.3 are fine. On my bell 6100 (dish 811) there is no problem?

Is anyone else having this problem or should I call Philips?

I get that problem sometimes on that station. I usually attribute it to weak signal.

4-2 - Radar

Is everyone in Buffalo getting this? Pretty neat for weather people like my wife!

Isn't 4-2 the WNLO-SD channel?

Has anyone heard if WNLO is going to run the CW net in HIGH DEF ???

or are they going to stick with the WIVB-HD feed?

Oh. goody,

The weather radar is back.

Hope that means that they've fixed all their other problems. . . . or are we
in store for more macro blocking and audio drop outs?

John, are you listening??


-30-

as anyone had problems with the WB and FOX OTA in Buffalo?

yesterday, August 10, the WB's HD channel was off air until 8:00 (SD was fine)

then today, August 11, I am not getting any trace of a signal from FOX or the WB



maybe WNYO is moving their transmitter this weekend?

Fox OTA came in fine last night for the football game. I watched up until about 9 so after that I'm not sure.

Something's going on because there's no more 29-3, not that there was any programming on that sub channel anyway! I hope WNYO is moving they're transmitter, I should be able to finally get that station then. I have asked at RC if anyone knows if or when they are moving and got no response. Anyone here know for sure?

Just chiming in that I'm getting 4-2 now, the Radar. Also on 23-2.

Everything else unchanged.

I sure hope The CW is shown in HD on 4-3 / 23-3 this Fall.

Anyone else noticing WKBW not being in HD for GMA this week?

I noticed it at home over OTA earlier this week one day.

Then last night I was watching HD via cable at a friends'. He was having lots of audio and video drop outs... more than usual. This was watching WIVB. Then this morning I turned on GMA on his HD-cable WKBW station and it wasn't in HD. And lots of audio dropouts.

So I switched to the SD-WKBW channel. Still dropping out. Hmm. Time-Warner problem or local problem?


Oh, PS - I still can't get QAM at my place... I was hoping maybe TW would do something different; no such luck.

Something's going on because there's no more 29-3, not that there was any programming on that sub channel anyway! I hope WNYO is moving they're transmitter, I should be able to finally get that station then. I have asked at RC if anyone knows if or when they are moving and got no response. Anyone here know for sure?

you don't get WNYO? where do you live?

i only get it at about 40%, although I rarely have dropouts, its usually fine

i figured that was because of trees blocking my antenna, im in the canadian part of niagara too.

theres are many people in Toronto pulling in WNYO fine tho.

Nope, I've never got WNYO. I'm in downtown Buffalo.

I get 2, 4 (and 23), 7, 29 and 43. That's it. 29 and 43 are the most spotty. I can pretty much get one or the other reliably or both semi-reliably. Usually I opt for 29 reliably and let 43 be spotty.

Oops... thought you were asking me! Anyway, I don't get it either ;)

I live in North Tonawanda - However I'm only using a RS - indoor Bowtie antenna sitting on my window sill. I surprisingly get decent results w/ this setup. I did the whole roof mount antenna thing for a while but had trouble w/ wind causing the antenna to turn resulting in pq problems. The only time I've been able to get WB is with this antenna: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103058&cp=2032057.2032187.2032189.2032204&pg=2&parentPage=family
However i didn't use it long because WB's transmitter is located in a different location than 2,4,7, 29 and 43. Anyone know if they have/have not or are still even planning on moving their transmitter?

Nope, I've never got WNYO. I'm in downtown Buffalo.

I get 2, 4 (and 23), 7, 29 and 43. That's it. 29 and 43 are the most spotty. I can pretty much get one or the other reliably or both semi-reliably. Usually I opt for 29 reliably and let 43 be spotty.

I didn't think I was the only one! Why is it that people seemingly futher away more reliably get that station AND IT'S A BUFFALO STATION and we cannot??
More mysterious is the fact that I can receive WNYB from Jamestown yet I cannot get WNYO which is significantly closer??

Don't know when it happened, but ch. 14 (WUTV) uped their their power BIG Time last week. I use to get 15dbmV, but now it's 35dbmV. :eek:
A wopping 20db increase. No wonder I'm having problems wirth some of the Toronto stations. :mad:

One more trap to add to the others............. :mad: :mad:

Just got off the phone with WUTV/WNYOs' chief engineer and he confirmed WUTV ch 14 is now a full 1,000,000 watts ERP.
The change was friday the 18th.
As I am typing this, he is in the process of moving WNYO ch 34 from East Farmers Bumf*** to the antenna farm on Gilligans' Island (WUTV's tower) with a ERP of 35kw.

If this wasn't mentioned, all of WUTV & WNYO (other than the xmitters) will be over on Hertel Ave. in North Buffalo, offices and master control.

Who else broadcasts from Grand Island? Just wondering if this means WUTV will get more reliable for me.

You should know this; them, and now their sister station WNYO, WNLO (don't you just love those almost identical call letters located 500 feet from one another??) and WNED. Channels 14, 15 (some low power holly roller waste of bandwidth station),17, 23, 29, 32 & 34 are all comming from Gilligans Island.

BTW, these are the actual channel numbers, not those damn remapped FCC mandated conversions.

Also, WNYO ch 34 will be running programming from Foxs' new service; MyNetwork (I think that is it) from 8pm to 10pm. Soap Operas no less. :rolleyes:
The rest of the day will be various sources including that WB 'stuff' according to the programing dept.

Gee, it will be easy to tell if you are from Grand Island at night, they will all glow in the dark. :eek: :D
Let's see:
14- 1,000,000 (new xmitter)
15- ??
17- 2,500,000
23- 955,000
29- 3,900,000
32- 1,000,000
34- 34,000 (WUTVs' old xmitter)
43- 156,000

Combined, around 10 million ERP. Yep, they will glow in the dark. :p And they were worried about the indians................

The full name is "My Network TV".


Weird. I can get 43 but I've never picked up WNYO 34.

When you say WNLO 23/32 do you mean that UPN/The CW actually is shown in HD here? I do get 32 when I do a channel scan but it's always a duplicate of the content I get on 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 which is just a digital SD feed of WNLO, no HD content (except for WIVB).

You should know this; them, and now their sister station WNYO, WNLO (don't you just love those almost identical call letters located 500 feet from one another??) and WNED. Channels 14, 15 (some low power holly roller waste of bandwidth station),17, 23, 29, 32 & 34 are all comming from Gilligans Island.

BTW, these are the actual channel numbers, not those damn remapped FCC mandated conversions.

15 is actually coming from Hamilton, Ontario, at 4.1kW

there isn't much HD yet, but look out all the Canadian stations that don't even have digital tranmitters running yet


I'm not getting any signal from WUTV 29 at this moment. Are they still playing around with their new transmitter?

i just don't get how increasing to 1000kW can reduce my signal from 100% to 70% on WUTV

If you have an amp between your antenna and set, you may experience a drop in signal on WUTV due to overload.

If you have an amp between your antenna and set, you may experience a drop in signal on WUTV due to overload.

My dropped too, NO amp just 75 ft of rg6.

I'm at around 73%, instead of the usual 85%, but it's also raining here right now in Thornhill.

Weird. I can get 43 but I've never picked up WNYO 34. You wouldn't. It's only 650 ERP. I do get 32 when I do a channel scan but it's always a duplicate of the content I get on 4.1, WIVB duplicates the CBS network on ch 32. 15 is actually coming from Hamilton, Ontario, at 4.1kW I will never get it until that holy roller 15 goes down. I'm not getting any signal from WUTV 29 at this moment. Are they still playing around with their new transmitter?

I just don't get how increasing to 1000kW can reduce my signal from 100% to 70% on WUTV He's probably working on the change over. If I remember correctly both towers have two antennas. WUTV's tower is sharing antennas with more than one xmitter I believe.
I just checked and 14 is at what I measured this AM. 34 hasn't moved yet.

Hmm... I had more trouble than usual getting 29 / 14 when I did a re-scan tonight.

I was getting 17 / 43 but no FOX which is unusual. I moved my antenna and got FOX back but without the duplicate/unnecessary 32/WIVB.

Maybe 'cause of the rain?!

I'm not getting any signal from WUTV 29 at this moment. Are they still playing around with their new transmitter? I just don't get how increasing to 1000kW can reduce my signal from 100% to 70% on WUTV Correction on my last post. WUTV is now directional to the SE. Sorry 'bout that. My bad. :(

http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp?latitude=42%2E88&longitude=%2D78%2E8770&magnetic_north=9&range=90&sort=distance&show_expired=False&show_construction=False&show_analog=False&show_low_power=True&action=Show+Stations

Hmm... I had more trouble than usual getting 29 / 14 when I did a re-scan tonight.

I was getting 17 / 43 but no FOX which is unusual. I moved my antenna and got FOX back but without the duplicate/unnecessary 32/WIVB.

Maybe 'cause of the rain?!

I did another re-scan this morning and got 32 back.

Came across this regarding Foxs' new service MyNetworkTV;

http://www.tvtechnology.com/hd_notebook/one.php?id=901

Too bad no one will be able to pick it up OTA :(

Why say that?? When the move is completed their signal will be the same as 14s' was, NOT the same as 34s'.

Just got off the phone with WUTV/WNYOs' chief engineer and he confirmed WUTV ch 14 is now a full 1,000,000 watts ERP.
The change was friday the 18th.
As I am typing this, he is in the process of moving WNYO ch 34 from East Farmers Bumf*** to the antenna farm on Gilligans' Island (WUTV's tower) with a ERP of 35kw.

If this wasn't mentioned, all of WUTV & WNYO (other than the xmitters) will be over on Hertel Ave. in North Buffalo, offices and master control.


When you say - The change was friday the 18th - do you mean tomorrow?
When should I be able to pick up WB in NT ?

Why say that?? When the move is completed their signal will be the same as 14s' was, NOT the same as 34s'.

Oh, cool then!

When you say - The change was friday the 18th?

Didn't happen.

WNLO / CW NETWORK

HIGH DEFINITION?

Yes?

No?

John?

Veronica Mars will look MUCH cuter in HD

Anyone?

Bueller?


Bueller?


Anyone?

apparently, the news is that nothing has changed with WNLO, they are still "expecting their HD encoder in the next few months..."

although they do plan to eventually go HD, the CW network won't start off in HD, and will probably stall a long time before they do make the switch

I will not be be watching if primetime shows are not in HD.I will watch a different network and shows that are in HD.A hd receiver and Satellite can be set up in one day.Wivb/wnlo/lin clearly wants to keep CBS -hd on both channels.

I will not be be watching if primetime shows are not in HD.I will watch a different network and shows that are in HD.A hd receiver and Satellite can be set up in one day.Wivb/wnlo/lin clearly wants to keep CBS -hd on both channels.


At least in Canada we have WGN-DT (on Expressvu) which will show CW HD.

Not on Rogers cable.

That sucks about WUTV's change not happening and about no HD on WNLO.

Two steps forward...

Didn't happen.

Just an observation from a novice, I was picking it up loud and clear on Thursday night (I think, might have been Friday). It must have been the new signal from the island because I've never been able to pick up the southtowns tower. However I checked today and it's back to being a blank screen, but with a decent signal.

Didn't happen. Yes it did. Ch. 14s' output is now 1,000,000 ERP. Up from 34 kw ERP. If you were refering to moving ch 34 to Gilligans Island, no that hasn't happened yet.

Oh cool; less worries about losing the signal during Prison Break tonight! :)

Just an observation from a novice, I was picking it up loud and clear on Thursday night (I think, might have been Friday). It must have been the new signal from the island because I've never been able to pick up the southtowns tower. However I checked today and it's back to being a blank screen, but with a decent signal.

I was talking about the move of WNYO (34) to Grand Island which videobruce mentioned was in the process of being relocated. No change yet.

WUTV's signal was very strong at 35 kw and it is still strong with a directional 1000000 kw.

I think rspetti was calling himself (or herself) the novice...

A novice? I have been receiving ATSC since WIVB went live on 39. I have locked signals from 4 different states and 1 province.

I was talking about the move of WNYO (34) to Grand Island which videobruce mentioned was in the process of being relocated.

WUTV's signal was very strong at 35 kw and it is still strong with a directional 1000000 kw.

umm i think he was referring to himself as the novice. no need to get offended dspredator, im sure we're all aware of your experience in the field.

Sometimes a "Novice" isn't a bad thing;
http://www.arrl.org/news/features/2006/07/28/1/

videobruce - Do you have an update on when the WNYO transmitter move will be completed and up and running?

Thanks

Only talked to him once last week. I don't want to bother him since I would be willing to bet he is a one man show.
Frankly, I thought I would see it by now.

umm i think he was referring to himself as the novice. no need to get offended dspredator, im sure we're all aware of your experience in the field.

Sorry rspetti that was my fault. Reading too fast.

Since all of WUTV's changes I was wondering if any members in St. Catharines are still receiving their HD sub-channel?

Thanks

Since all of WUTV's changes I was wondering if any members in St. Catharines are still receiving their HD sub-channel?

Thanks

the thing is, if you can receive one subchannel from a certain channel ie 14
then that means you automatically get the other ones. location doesn't matter whatsover in this case. so it wouldn't have to be someone from St. Catharines only who could answer your question, since u already get the channel I assume.


if you are asking if that third subchannel still exists on WUTV 14, it doesn't at this time

if you get WUTV, you will get WUTV-DT and WUTV-SD on 14-1 and 14-2 respectively

Sorry about the confusion. Yes I was referring to myself as the novice. You guys amaze me with the amount of knowledge you have, so I surely would put your experiences above any of mine. I'll go back to lurk mode now... :o

the thing is, if you can receive one subchannel from a certain channel ie 14
then that means you automatically get the other ones. location doesn't matter whatsover in this case. so it wouldn't have to be someone from St. Catharines only who could answer your question, since u already get the channel I assume.


if you are asking if that third subchannel still exists on WUTV 14, it doesn't at this time

if you get WUTV, you will get WUTV-DT and WUTV-SD on 14-1 and 14-2 respectively

I am no longer receiving channel 14. I am only receiving their analog signal on 29-0. I guess I should have asked if any members in St. Catharines are still getting channel 14. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Thanks

O I see, thanks for the clear up. I am a bit south of St. Catharines, in Smithville, ON and have noticed SIGNIFICANT signal drop of WUTV 14 since their new transmitter was installed.

before, i was getting FOX at 100%, regardless where my antenna was rotated.
now, i have to set my antenna to a certain spot, and got only get 75%

if you didn't already have a strong signal before the transmiter change, it would make sense you could have lost the signal.

dspredator is from St. Catharines, perhaps he can advise you on how to get the signal back.

I am no longer receiving channel 14. I am only receiving their analog signal on 29-0. I guess I should have asked if any members in St. Catharines are still getting channel 14. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Thanks


I'm getting WUTV at 80-82% on my bell box (was at 95%).
For comparison WNED comes in at 88-90%.

On my Samsung 151 I have 4 bars, before was at 8 bars. WNED has 10 bars.

I'm running 100 feet (or more) RG6, no preamp, CM 4228.

OK, this is probably a stupid question...

I emailed WGRZ to ask a question (about the Emmys being in HD... they're not) and in their response the engineer mentioned that all non-HD programming on their digital channel (both local and national) was upconverted. I didn't realize that!

I knew the local news looked way better on 2.1 than via my analog cable but I just thought it was because of multiple coax splits plus the fact that it's pixelated by my ReplayTV.

Does 4 and 7 do the same?
Is that why my television won't let me "stretch" 4:3 content on HD OTA channels?

if you compare all local programming from 2,4 and 7 on their repective HD channels, to the local programming on FOX 29 and WB 49 on their repective HD channels, you'll see how much of a difference upconverting makes.

thats why WB and FOX also offer their SD subchannels, because they know their local programming looks like garbage on their HD channels.


edit: ya your right, to your TV, the picture coming from NBC, ABC, and CBS when showing 4:3 programming is IDENTICAL to HD programming, its a 1080i image with black pixels making up the two black rectangles on the outside.

I'm getting WUTV at 80-82% on my bell box (was at 95%).
For comparison WNED comes in at 88-90%.

On my Samsung 151 I have 4 bars, before was at 8 bars. WNED has 10 bars.

I'm running 100 feet (or more) RG6, no preamp, CM 4228.

Hmmm.... I'm getting nothing for WUTV since they switched things up.

I'm receiving WNED at 100% on a MIT MDR-200 receiver with about 75 feet of RG6 cable with no preamp connected to a 4-bay bowtie antenna.

Whereabouts are you located in St. Catharines? I'm in the Western Hill area.

I've tried moving my antenna to about 6 different locations to try and get it back without any luck, any suggestions?

maybe this is where the preamp is going to become a requirement to pick up WUTV, and WNYO when the new transmitter is up too?

I've tried moving my antenna to about 6 different locations to try and get it back without any luck, any suggestions?

If you are getting WNED at 100%, I guess preamp is the only option.

CM 7775 or 7777. Or switch to a CM 4228 antenna.

WNYO is slated to have an even "smaller" power blip to the north in their directional pattern, so if you're having trouble getting WUTV at 1000kw then WNYO at 175kw is going to be impossible. :-(

in Smithville, ON and have noticed SIGNIFICANT signal drop of WUTV 14 since their new transmitter was installed. Very understandable. They are directional now. all non-HD programming on their digital channel (both local and national) was upconverted. AFAIK, they are converting a 525I format to a 1080I format for a 1080I transmission. Is that why my television won't let me "stretch" 4:3 content on HD OTA channels? Even though there is no visable material on either side there is infromation (data) that fills the whole 16x9 screen area.

WNYO is slated to have an even "smaller" power blip to the north in their directional pattern, so if you're having trouble getting WUTV at 1000kw then WNYO at 175kw is going to be impossible. :-(

I thought WNYO was going to use WUTV's old 35kW transmitter, which was great.

They are.

ok good, so i guess the directional 175kW transmitter was the original plan for WNYO, but they don't plan on going that route any more.

Not untill they get another xmitter..............

supposley WNLO has applied to reduce power to perform work on their transmitter, but its just beause of a broken tube or something.

everyone email hdtvfeedback@wivb.com and complain about WNLO not going HD when they switch to CW. it is absolutely rediculous that they have a brand new network forming, already have a 1mW channel brodcasting HD content, but just a lame excuse that they haven't got their encoder yet.

Email sent!

supposley WNLO has applied to reduce power to perform work on their transmitter Where did that come from? already have a 1mW channel brodcasting HD content Can't get too far with one 'milliwatt'. Try 'MW'.

o my mistake, 1 Mega Watt (guess i got their transmitter mixed up with WNYO's)

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101143776&formid=911&fac_num=71905

shows an FCC application for reduced power

double bowtie antenna pointed right at colden,gets 2-1,7-1 at 100% but a big 0 on 4-1.this is in alden.i'm farther north in akron and get everything high 90's with same antenna.Only one tree 2 streets down too!Any feedback or suggestions?D* h10 ird.

I was just about to post about 4-1. I usually get it just fine. This evening (I'm not sure when the problem started, I was out of the house all day yesterday, first noticed it was gone around 5pm today) - zip, nada, nothing. Anyone else? I still am getting 2, 7, 29, 43 and 23.

I actually also lost 4 and 7 on Friday morning but 7 came back within a few minutes and 4 was back a few hours later.

Wait... WNLO was going to reduce power? Maybe that's why 4 is no longer available?

The WIVB 39 transmitter has been switched off, whether it's intentionally or a misfunction.

doesn't matter to me, we got WNLO 32 as the backup.

lurchwiits, you have nothing to worry about, it's not you, its them. But can you pull in WNLO 32, which is a clone of WIVB 39?

Wait... WNLO was going to reduce power? Maybe that's why 4 is no longer available?

k, but if your identical sister station was reducing power temporarily, wouldn't that be the time it is most important for your station to be up and running, for those who lost WNLO while it was running at low power?

Fwew, glad to know it's not just me!

WIVB-HD was back on for me when I checked just before 10pm last night.

k, but if your identical sister station was reducing power temporarily, wouldn't that be the time it is most important for your station to be up and running, for those who lost WNLO while it was running at low power?

If they're co-located, keeping the sister station online could result in Fried Engineers. Not "fired", "fried".

Below is the response I received about the WNYO transmitter move:

Jim wrote:

> Hi- I'm using this contact due to the fact that the contact us link at
> WB49.net is broken.
>
> Will the transmitter move for WNYO to Grand Island be complete by 9/5
> when MyNetwork TV launches? I'm trying to receive your digital signal
> on 34 from North Tonawanda.
>
> Thanks

I have forwarded your email on to our chief engineer, who has a much
better idea then I do about when that project will be completed, but if
I had to guess, I'd say no, not by 9/5. It shouldn't be much after that,
though.

Mike

--

Program Coordinator
WUTV/WNYO Buffalo

I've started a conversation with Microsoft, CFTO, and WIVB to work through reception issues that I seem to be having with Media Center. I'd like to add some data points if possible and looking for others with issues.

My issue: CFTO and WIVB(39) come in fine on my TV's tuner and with my PC tuner when using the bundled software. Signal stength is high. However when using that same PC tuner via Media Center, CFTO and WIVB report as having no signal. Both are correctly setup as verified in the atscprefs.xml file. WIVB on channel 32 comes in fine, but that will be switching over to CW soon so MCE users will have no CBS feed.

Questions:
1. Do you experience any similar issues with WIVB on channel 39 or CFTO on 40?
2. What tuner hardware are you testing on?
3. Did it ever work for you?
4. Can I contact you via PM or email?
5. Anything else you can add to this mystery (odd behaviour on other sets, etc)?

Thanks,
Pete

but that will be switching over to CW soon so MCE users will have no CBS feed.


Where did you hear that 32 will no longer be showing a duplicate feed of WIVB?

I assume this means you heard that WNLO will be showing The CW on 32 in HD? If so, where did you hear that?

pnear. i know there have been many problems with CFTO's PSIP data, that has messed up reception on PC tuners. I was not aware of any of these problems for CBS. You actually don't have to worry about that though, as chances are, Nothing will change on channels 32, 39, except that the SD WNLO will be showing CW SD on both channels.

try the freeware watchHDTV. This channel may properly recieve these channels for you.

> I assume this means you heard that WNLO will be showing The CW on 32 in HD? If so, where did you hear that?

I'm actually not certain of anything, just making an assumption based on what I've read.

try the freeware watchHDTV. This channel may properly recieve these channels for you.

Yes, these channels come in fine using DVICO's software as well. However we're a media center household, with extenders deployed everywhere, portable media center, etc. I expect that there are several others in the same situation (I know of a handful) and that this issue will compound now that MCE is included in all vista premium computers being released in 2007. I want work with Microsoft and the local stations to get it fixed.

This seems to be an issue with MCE specifically and not the tuner hardware. More info on a similar problem in other markets can be found here:
http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/91210.aspx

Thanks for the replies!
Pete

> I assume this means you heard that WNLO will be showing The CW on 32 in HD? If so, where did you hear that?

I'm actually not certain of anything, just making an assumption based on what I've read.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8240606&&#post8240606

Are there any notable shows on CW or MyNetwork that are worth watching in HD? I heard Veronica is good but haven't tried it. Unless there are good shows on these two channels, I don't need these 2 channels.

Smallville?

MyNetworkTV only has 2 shows that run nightly. They're inspired by latin soap operas, if that interests you.

The CW has Smallville, Veronica Mars, Everybody Hates Chris and a few more.

o don't really care about the actual content on MYTV, its more just saying "i can get 13 free HD channels" instead of 12, to bragg to satellite subscribers.

The WB was already OK for HD, i watched a few things, so when they combine with UPN, your going to get a decent lineup of HD shows to watch. thats why its a major dissapointment that we will only be getting the SD feed.

Does anybody know if WIVB will be carrying this or not?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=717628

It doesn't have to be WIVB, it's a syndicated package. Any station can buy it. I haven't seen a list yet of which stations nationwide are showing it. And it's too early for it to appear in channel guides yet. So for now, we wait and see.

Does anybody know if WIVB will be carrying this or not?


Sorry for the bad news but it looks like it is on WNLO. So unless they upgrade to HD or get their new HD encoder (LOL) it will be SD.

Star Trek
Balance of Terror 7:00 PM, 1 hr
Sat 09/16/2006
WNLO-DT1 23.3 (32)
Sci-Fi/Other
TVPG, English

Kirk matches wits with a Romulan Commander (Mark Lenard) as the Enterprise chases a cloaked Romulan ship, which destroyed four Federation outposts, into the Neutral Zone. Centurion: John Warburton. Decius: Lawrence Montaigne. Yeoman Rand: Grace Lee Whitney. Stiles: Paul Comi. Spock: Leonard Nimoy. Kirk: William Shatner. Uhura: Nichelle Nichols.

Sorry for the bad news but it looks like it is on WNLO. So unless they upgrade to HD or get their new HD encoder (LOL) it will be SD.

Nuts. Thanks for the info, I won't worry about seeing this anymore.

CW = CBS and Warner

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Did anyone else notice the audio was out on 4.1 last night? I went to watch Rockstar OTA and there was no audio on 4.1 (23.1 was also out). 4.3 and 23.3 had audio and when I switched to the Directv feed for Rockstar the audio was fine. I kept checking throughout the hour but it never came back. It was OK this morning.

Yep -same here. Good thing I tivo'd big brother and rockstar for the wife on analog cable -atleast the audio was there. I'm surprised they never got the problem solved in primetime- probably lost more than a few viewers due to this.

Did anyone else notice the audio was out on 4.1 last night? I went to watch Rockstar OTA and there was no audio on 4.1 (23.1 was also out). 4.3 and 23.3 had audio and when I switched to the Directv feed for Rockstar the audio was fine. I kept checking throughout the hour but it never came back. It was OK this morning.

Yes, same problem here begining with Big Brother and then Rockstar. Audio did return just before the last performance.

OK, at least it wasn't me (which I didn't think it was).

im guessing everyone recieved the new WNYO test signal earlier today? at about 6:00 PM?

they were showing a Japenese Soap Opera is a very clear HD broadcast, CSI Miami clear. I was recieving the signal at a stable 100% on my CM4228 over here in Niagara, but from what I could tell, it was NOT the old FOX transmitter, the signal wasn't quite as strong. I'm guesing they are transmitting at 175kW and directional to the south like the application, but still sending off a reasonable amount of power to the sides and north. (certinaly much more than WUTV is sending to north)

so it looks like WNYO has come through with a solid reliable signal. They are currently off air, showing nothing on 34 tho.

all we need now is for WNLO to finally get their encoder for CW HD and Buffalo is set, and then you guys can wait for the Toronto Stations and Hamilton Stations to pop up next year.

im guessing everyone recieved the new WNYO test signal earlier today? at about 6:00 PM?

I'm still getting it today- too bad I don't speak Japanese! Why is it on 34 and not 49? Is this just for testing purposes? Nice strong signal though- helps to be just 2 miles away I guess and much easier than trying to get it from Cowlesville!!

actually WNYO has always been on 34, but they made it appear on 49 by remapping the channel on your tuner. Just like they haven't enabled the EPG listings and PSIP data, they haven't enabled the remapping. Once they go on the air full time with MYTV, i'm guessing it will appear on 49 and will show all the PSIP data too.

From seven miles SE into a 4228 around 40' w/ 15' of RG6 gives me this;

WUTV 14D.....35 dbmV
-???? 15A......17
WNED 17A.....46
WNLO 23A.....44
WUTV 29A.....49
WNLO 32D.....30
WNYO 34D.....30
WNED 43D.....25

WNYO ch 49 is still where they were.

corrected call letters........... :D

videobruce are you getting some of your numbers mixed up? i guess that list is the analogs and the digitals?

this list is would what you were going for...

WUTV 14.....35 dbmV
-???? 15......17
WNED 17.....46
WNLO 23.....44
WUTV 29.....49
WNLO 32.....30
WNYO 34.....30
WNED 43.....18

WNYB is the Christian Channel on 26 and 27-1 i think, and you got WNYO (WB) mixed up with WNLO (UPN) Surprised that u get PBS Hd so low. Is 18dbmW enough for a stable HD signal?

what were you getting digital 34 at previsouly, with the 0.65kW transmitter in South Buffalo? It's looking pretty solid for you now.

No new channels here (downtown Buffalo) for me. I thought I'd get 34 WNYO but no luck.

Hi folks. I became a member recently and I would like to thank all the good information I was able to get from this thread. I live in clarence and start getting 34 WNYO. BTW, it's not a japanese soap but a korean one, called 'gung', meaning 'royal palace' which was aired on MBC last year as HD programs.

I spoke too soon. Moving my Silver Sensor to a slightly different orientation I was able to pick up 34 but it wasn't too strong (lots of breakups). Plus, that orientation makes me lose other - more important - channels. But at least it's there in my list of channels now.

cwoody surely you should be able to pick up the new signal. It's directed right at downtown from Grand Island. Perhaps you'll have to play around with your Silver Sensor some more.

videobruce are you getting some of your numbers mixed up? I doubt that could possibly happen;
WNYO
WNLO
Absolutely NO chance of getting those mixed up. Good old FCC again. Allowing call letters withone letter difference, two channel numbers apart in the same location no less. :mad:

Wasn't WNYB ch 49s' old call letters? i guess that list is the analogs and the digitals (I never watched it either way)? Yes, everything off the Island. Surprised that u get PBS Hd so low. Is 18dbmW enough for a stable HD signal? Would you believe 25 dbmV? :D (Sorry 'bout that, too many channels.)
Either way, I have watched stations with a -38dbmV though that is right on the 'cliff'!

34 went off air after 6pm last night.

So MyTV (formerly WB) will be on what channel? 34.1 or 49.1? I'm a little confused.

Technically it's 34.1. But once they get their PSIP data in place your HD receiver will/should automatically 'remap' the channel to 49.1. That data is not being broadcast right now (yet) so your receiver is showing you the "real" channel info.

That's because the FCC doesn't want us to all be confused with having to learn new numbers for old channels.

Wasn't WNYB ch 49s' old call letters?

I think so, yes. I think way back when ch49 was just a local station with no network affiliation. I think when they became a WB affiliate they became what they are now and WNYB became the Christian station.


Also, didn't UPN start off on WNGS67?

34 went off air after 6pm last night.

I must have JUST caught it then because that's right when I was trying.

That's because the FCC doesn't want us to all be confused with having to learn new numbers for old channels. No, that's because the NAB went crying to the FCC about loosing their orginal channel numbers.

Notice none of them ever had a problem will all those call letter or station ownership changes. :rolleyes:

cwoody surely you should be able to pick up the new signal. It's directed right at downtown from Grand Island. Perhaps you'll have to play around with your Silver Sensor some more.

It's back on tonight and now it's coming in clearly with my Silver Sensor just where it always is :)

This Koren show is great ;) Wonder when they'll turn on their "real" programming.

Can folks in the Buffalo metro get any digital stations from Canada?
Pardon the dumb question but I haven't lived in Buffalo for many years. I remember we used to watch CHCH, CFTO, and CBLT when I lived in Blasdell. The great thing was they played some of the US network shows but on different nights. Great if you missed watching a favorite show in those pre-VCR days!

Ugh, another Buffalo-to-Charlotte person? ;) (I was just down there last month visiting some friends... it's depressing how many WNYers are down there)


I'm in downtown Buffalo. I can't get any CA stations (digital or otherwise). ALL of my analog OTA signals are complete crap - even the US ones. But I just have a small indoor antenna. All I wanted/needed was the major US networks in HD. Anything else is icing.

As of this moment, WKBW (ABC) seems to be showing up on 38.2 at 480i, with RTN on the primary 38.1 at 720p (though the baseball game RTN is showing is not in HD). Never seen this before...

Can folks in the Buffalo metro get any digital stations from Canada?
Pardon the dumb question but I haven't lived in Buffalo for many years. I remember we used to watch CHCH, CFTO, and CBLT when I lived in Blasdell. The great thing was they played some of the US network shows but on different nights. Great if you missed watching a favorite show in those pre-VCR days!

W4DXL, unfortanately for Buffaloers, most of the Toronto networks transmits their digitals at a lower power, mainly because HD is much newer in Canada, and also because there isn't a nearby city they are trying to reach (Buffalo small and not important to Toronto broadcasters, wheras vise versa, Buffalo will transmit high to reach the city that is 5 times as big.

CBC broadcasts a very reliable 40kW signal, and is easily reachable in Buffalo, with an outdoor antenna. With a really good setup and some elevation, CTV would also be reachable (17kW) CHCH doesn't have their digital station up yet, but when they do, it should be reachable in Buffalo (30kW)

As of this moment, WKBW (ABC) seems to be showing up on 38.2 at 480i, with RTN on the primary 38.1 at 720p (though the baseball game RTN is showing is not in HD). Never seen this before...

MDK, the channels aren't getting swapped over the air, its just that WKBW chose to broadcast the game over their main channel. It's showing on channel 7 analog too.

Ugh, another Buffalo-to-Charlotte person? ;) (I was just down there last month visiting some friends... it's depressing how many WNYers are down there)


I'm in downtown Buffalo. I can't get any CA stations (digital or otherwise). ALL of my analog OTA signals are complete crap - even the US ones. But I just have a small indoor antenna. All I wanted/needed was the major US networks in HD. Anything else is icing.

My folks retired to FL when I was a teen. I came halfway back. Still when I visit and hit the NY state line I feel like I'm home!

A lot of folks transfered down with Scott Avaition (aka Scott Health & Safety). I worked there for awhile and the people were great!

For any Buffalo residents who weren't able to see Jeopardy in HD since WKBW doesn't have the equipment, tune to 9.1 (40) the CTV Toronto station is showing Jeopardy in HD over the air, at 7:30pm every night

CBC ch. 20 (or 5.1 if you perfer) had two very good specials on 911 Sunday night back to back.
No, the whitewashed, censored, edited Bush version, but the real meat 'n potatoes. Both were in HD.

Just as it was like back in the 60s', to get the real news about Vietnam, you had to watch news out of Canada.

We have resolved the issue of Media Center reception for CFTO here in the Buffalo area. WIVB appears to have the same problem, and is likely to be corrected once I reconnect with the engineering team later in the week. I will be doing a full writeup on my blog so that others can pass along info to their local engineering teams. I'm also waiting on some new hardware so that we can work a bit more with Microsoft to determine what part of the system (drivers, software, etc) might be causing MCE to be more picky than other receivers. Here's the short version:

ISSUE: A local DTV station has a strong signal and is able to be received by most receivers, including native television ATSC tuners and PC tuners running native software. However this same channel cannot be received by Windows Media Center Edition running XP or Vista. It has been confirmed that channel mappings are correct in atscprefs.xml (Major, Minor, and Physical frequencies all correct).

RESEARCH: An inspection of the PSIP information in the stream revealed that the two stations in the Buffalo area that were affected both had mismatched TSIDs at various points in the data. CFTO's PSIP had a TSID of "1" set in the PAT section of the PSIP, and TSID of "17315" set in all of the VCT sections. WIVB's PSIP had a TSID of "2137" set in the PAT section, and TSID of "2131" in all of the VCT sections.

RESOLUTION: CFTO has temporarily set the TSID in both the PAT and VCT sections to "1" as a test, and I have verified that Media Center can now receive the signal reliably. They will be working in the near future to set the TSIDs uniformly to "17315" in the near future.

TimeWarner QAM/HDnet:

Did anyone else lose HDNet and HDnet Movies on Time Warner last night when pulling them in over a QAM tuner. All of the other usual stations are there, but the HDNet stuff shows no signal.

There are at least four major "head ends" in this area with different channel lineups and feeds:
Courier Cable/Cablescope (N. Buffalo)
International (Lackawana & Tonawanda)
Jones (Lancaster)
Aurora (East Aurora?)
Niagara Frontier (I think that was it up in Niagara Falls)

Where are you? In Buffalo nothing noted.

BTW, welcome to the forums.

And here is the promised detail:
http://www.thenears.com/archives/155

Was Fox OTA breaking up a lot for others last night during Prison Break? It was bad enough that I switched to Directv's SD signal. Fox is usually rock solid for me. I didn't notice any breakups on any other OTA. I didn't go back to Fox to see if it got any better.

There are at least four major "head ends" in this area with different channel lineups and feeds:
Courier Cable/Cablescope (N. Buffalo)
International (Lackawana & Tonawanda)
Jones (Lancaster)
Aurora (East Aurora?)
Niagara Frontier (I think that was it up in Niagara Falls)

Where are you? In Buffalo nothing noted.

BTW, welcome to the forums.

I'm in the Green Acres area of the Town of Tonawanda (Parker near the 290) so I'm guessing I'm in the International area.

Thanks

Was Fox OTA breaking up a lot for others last night during Prison Break? It was bad enough that I switched to Directv's SD signal. Fox is usually rock solid for me. I didn't notice any breakups on any other OTA. I didn't go back to Fox to see if it got any better.

I can't guarantee my signal is clean, but yes there were enough breakups in Prison Break to make it annoying. Seems like it would drop for just under a second every 5 minutes or so. I've been getting that on alot of Fox shows and assumed it was a reception issue.

But, it might be interesting to track when the breakups occur (ie at what point in the show) and try to see if it's common to both of us.

Was Fox OTA breaking up a lot for others last night during Prison Break? It was bad enough that I switched to Directv's SD signal. Fox is usually rock solid for me. I didn't notice any breakups on any other OTA. I didn't go back to Fox to see if it got any better.

Yes- It was for me too here in NT- However I just adjusted my antenna a little higher in my front window and it corrected the problem- of course then 2,4, and 7 dont come in good. Guess you can't have the best of both worlds on an indoor antenna huh? Strange how I can get a good signal on all channels during the day and soon as the HD stuff comes on at night - I get signal break up's and bad pq.

Indiana- Are you getting the 34-1 test signal for WNYO from GI?

Indiana- Are you getting the 34-1 test signal for WNYO from GI?
Yes, but only when they have it running. It does look good when I do check it. I don't remember what the signal strength was, but it seemed pretty solid. It was in 720p. Anyone know when they will start using it all the time? There's probably not much on that channel I'd watch, but if it's in HD then maybe I'd give their shows a chance. It's amazing what I'll watch now simply because it's in HD!

Time Warner/HDnet

Whatever it was with HDNet the other night is fixed.

Thanks

Did anyone catch The Today Show in HD this morning on WGRZ? I tuned in for just a second because I was already late for work but it was 4:3 but that may be because they were outside the studio with their weatherman. Or did WGRZ just forget to turn on the HD?

Here's a review of it nationally

http://www.tvpredictions.com/todayinhd091306.htm

Did anyone catch The Today Show in HD this morning on WGRZ? I tuned in for just a second because I was already late for work but it was 4:3 but that may be because they were outside the studio with their weatherman. Or did WGRZ just forget to turn on the HD?

Here's a review of it nationally

http://www.tvpredictions.com/todayinhd091306.htm

I saw it in HD on WGRZ and WHDH (NBC Boston).

Look great but the Today logo was huge.

Hi. New to the forum here and From Lancaster NY . Wondering what i need to get th ehdtv channels here . Will i be able to use an indoor antenna or no . Thanks for your help and information.!!

Hi. New to the forum here and From Lancaster NY . Wondering what i need to get th ehdtv channels here . Will i be able to use an indoor antenna or no . Thanks for your help and information.!!
Most people here love the Silver Sensor indoor antenna. I use this one (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=3394455&st=terk&lp=7&type=product&cp=2&id=1051384457031) and LOVE it. I never have to adjust it and it gets ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, PBS, UPN (now called CW) and the new MyNetwork TV (formerly WB), although they are just testing their HD signal and aren't broadcasting yet. I bought mine from CC but I don't think they carry it anymore, but BB still does. I bought it for a friend's birthday and they get good reception in Kenmore with it. I live in Wheatfield. Your location can have an impact on your reception. I'm fairly new to this to, but let me tell you - HD is worth it!

I also use the Silver Sensor indoor. I'm right in downtown Buffalo.

Once I found the perfect location/orientation for my antenna, all was good. I get ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, the former WB (currently testing), PBS and the former UPN all good.

UPN - you really don't need it as it's an exact copy of WIVB (CBS)
PBS is my worst signal. I lose it sometimes. Nudging my antenna gets it back but that may make me lose something else so I usually live w/o the PBS until it magically comes back.


PS We did confirm FOX is now stronger / in a new location, right? Because now I get it just as well as ABC, CBS, NBC.

I also use the Silver Sensor indoor. I'm right in downtown Buffalo.

Once I found the perfect location/orientation for my antenna, all was good. I get ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, the former WB (currently testing), PBS and the former UPN all good.

UPN - you really don't need it as it's an exact copy of WIVB (CBS)
PBS is my worst signal. I lose it sometimes. Nudging my antenna gets it back but that may make me lose something else so I usually live w/o the PBS until it magically comes back.


PS We did confirm FOX is now stronger / in a new location, right? Because now I get it just as well as ABC, CBS, NBC.

Thanks for answering some questions . Now the channels you say you are getting are HD channels right ?? And with that antenna?? Thanks

Yes. That antenna gets HD *and* "regular" stations.

I get those HD channels I mentioned and a bunch of analog/regular ones. But a) I don't want those and b) they come in HORRIBLE anyway. Tons of snow, etc.

The digital/HD ones are clear, clear, clear! :)

I just delete the analog ones from my TV lineup. (I usually delete the duplicate WIVB on 23 too)

I'm surprised more people from Buffalo don't take advantage of the area around here.

Southern Ontario and Western New York = Best HD OTA area in North America.
You have the media capital of Canada beside a fairly large US metro.

Toronto has 5 HD stations, and many more are coming. Within a few years, it should be possible to pick up almost 20 free HD channels around here, but thats not going to happen with a Silver Sensor.

build high, i'd like to hear about some 30foot towers put up in Buffalo to pull in stations like CBC (which should be easy) there are people in Toronto who can pull in the 0.65kW WNYO, so i'm sure CBC @ 40kW should be possible in Buffalo.

CBC (ch 20) is easy, CFTO (ch 40) is much harder, the rest; forget it (at least for now). :( i'd like to hear about some 30foot towers put up in Buffalo IN Buffalo, maybe, but not in the surburbs, too many NIMBYs'.

Does anyone here know if Tribune had OTA ditial information for Canada - specificaly Toronto?

I have asked the question here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=4371533#post4371533

on the TiVo Community Forums and Cwoody thought I should ask here.

Zap2it.com does NOT provide OTA digital info for my postal code M5E1W5. But I notice zape2it.com does provide OTA digital info for U.S. zip codes.

I want to purchase a Series 3 TiVo and use it to record HD OTA but if TiVo does not have digital OTA information available, the Series 3 wouldn't work for me.

Anyone know?

...Dale

Well i went and got the Terk Silver antenna and it worked great . But i had an idea . I have an old antenna in my attic the one with the box that you can turn the knob and have it moved . Well i hooked that up and man it works great . I got it turned just right and almost all the stations have a 65%-70% signal quality. Have no drop outs here . So i took back the other antenna. Thanks again for all the help . Man football looks so good :)

could you post some specific results of each channel you recieve and their results?

Results are really meaningless especially since no ones know where neither of you are.

You can move an antenna a few feet and get different results. Besides those somewhat meaningless indicators on these new TV's really aren't signal strength readings from my understanding, they just measure the error rate. Yes, they are better than nothing, but I wouldn't judge much with them especially using them to compare antennas.

I'm rather new to HDTV - had directv installed a few months ago. The directv guys also installed an antenna (free) to recieve my OTA HD locals. All of my channels come in great except for NBC. I've never had any signal loss with Fox, ABC, and CBS. NBC won't come in at all. Is the antenna junk, or is NBC tough to get or is it something else? I'm in Amherst.

Thanks

It works great-but it will set you back some ! You can get this at Radio Shack. I have mine set it on a south facing window ledge and can get 2,4,7 ,23,29 and 43. Can't beat it for an indoor antenna.

http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2159924w345.jpg

Question - i've been doing hd for a couple of years - last football season i thought it was my hd receiver but now i have a new one w/ the same results-

during football games on cbs i get a ton of freeze-ups. the signal level looks good then it will dip down.
at night cbs comes in great, no freezeups.
no problems with fox games.

any ideas?

What's the current status of WNYO-DT on 34-1/49-1?

Is it in "full power" yet?

Are they running the directional antenna?

Question - i've been doing hd for a couple of years - last football season i thought it was my hd receiver but now i have a new one w/ the same results-

during football games on cbs i get a ton of freeze-ups. the signal level looks good then it will dip down.
at night cbs comes in great, no freezeups.
no problems with fox games.

any ideas?

CBS is (for now) broadcast on 4-1 and 23-1. 4-1 has some PSIP issues right now that might cause some receivers to have issues but I doubt it would cause the sort of problems you describe. How does 23-1 look?

Pete

WNYO is no longer running any tests on their new transmitter, it's been off for the last few days, and they've had their old 0.65kW transmitter on broadcasting regular MYTV programming.

i'm hoping any day now we will see MYTV at full power on the new grand island transmitter.

I'll check it out this weekend, I didn't think to check 23.1.

Question - i've been doing hd for a couple of years - last football season i thought it was my hd receiver but now i have a new one w/ the same results-

during football games on cbs i get a ton of freeze-ups. the signal level looks good then it will dip down.
at night cbs comes in great, no freezeups.
no problems with fox games.

any ideas?
The game came in fine all afternoon on 4.1 on my Directv HR10-250. What kind of receiver are you using?

WNYO is no longer running any tests on their new transmitter, it's been off for the last few days, and they've had their old 0.65kW transmitter on broadcasting regular MYTV programming.

i'm hoping any day now we will see MYTV at full power on the new grand island transmitter.

I emailed them to ask. The engineer was nice enough to write back in about an hour or so. Here's his response:

"The Korean testing on WNYO digital is over. It is just that, a test.
You'll notice that with no PSIP information, we were on channel 34 and
not 49. My compliments on you knowing the origination.

I'd be happy to answer your question. The transmitter and processing
equipment is in place, you'll testify the quality is there. However,
our (not so) neighbor to the north (Canada), is blocking my application
to get a license to send a microwave signal to Grand Island. They are
what is holding up our progress. As I said, everything is in place and
the quality is there. Once the FCC approves, that very instant I get
approval, we'll be broadcasting full power digital for WNYO. "

I'm not really sure what Canada could be disputing, but that's what he said.

However, our (not so) neighbor to the north (Canada), is blocking my application to get a license to send a microwave signal to Grand Island.

Industry Canada and the CRTC are unbelievable. Don't they have something more important to do with their time?

I am using the radio Shack receiver. It replaced my Samsung sir-t150 (I think thats the number?) that I was using last year, which was very old and I thought maybe was the cause last year.
Last night I watched 4 (the unit) without any breakups, this is a weird one!

Thanks

I'm rather new to HDTV - had directv installed a few months ago. The directv guys also installed an antenna (free) to recieve my OTA HD locals. All of my channels come in great except for NBC. I've never had any signal loss with Fox, ABC, and CBS. NBC won't come in at all. Is the antenna junk, or is NBC tough to get or is it something else? I'm in Amherst.

Hi. I'm also new to the OTA HD and I'm also in Amherst (Sheridan & Niagara Falls Blvd). I've been having the same problem with NBC (2.1). I get the images very clearly but I can't get any sound. All the other channels (CBS, FOX, ABC, etc.) all come in clear with good sound (although CBS is a little louder, I constantly have to tone it down when switching channels). I am using an indoor Silver Sensor. Any ideas how I can get sound on NBC?

Thanks.

Hi. I'm also new to the OTA HD and I'm also in Amherst (Sheridan & Niagara Falls Blvd). I've been having the same problem with NBC (2.1). I get the images very clearly but I can't get any sound. All the other channels (CBS, FOX, ABC, etc.) all come in clear with good sound (although CBS is a little louder, I constantly have to tone it down when switching channels). I am using an indoor Silver Sensor. Any ideas how I can get sound on NBC?

Thanks.

I took a look at the transport streams that I'm receiveing for these channels and noted one irregularity related to the audio stream that might be important for you. It looks like WGRZ doesn't flag the language for the AC3 stream in their PSIP information. If your receiver is looking for the audio stream where language=Eng then it could be failing.

I'm just learning about this stuff, and looking at the ATSC PSIP standards document I can't determine if the language flag is required (although their example settings all use the language flag). It is however interesting to note that all of the other stations in the area seem to have the language flag set to "eng".

You might want to call up the station and ask to speak to engineering about OTA HDTV reception issues. They'll want to know what receiver you are using and what issues you're seeing. Then you can mention to them that someone else in the area did a quick analysis of the stream and noted the following:

Within the PSIP tables, the VCT and TVCT sections seem to be configured differently than other stations in the area. The service locator descriptor has the following entry for the audio stream:
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0034 Language =

Whereas other channels in the area all have something defined for language, such as WNED's information:
Stream Type 0x81 (AC-3 Audio) ESPID = 0x0024 Language = eng

Like I said, this may or may not be related to your issue but it is interesting for troubleshooting purposes to note the difference.

So did we ever get a firm answer as to what 23.1 will be broadcasting in HD: CBS or CW?

No CW content in HD for awhile

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8240606&&#post8240606

Spoke to WIVB yesterday on another topic and they confirmed that 23.1 will be broadcasting CBS in HD for at least another month.

Ugh, stupid stupid stupid.

Oh well, the only show I watch on The CW is maybe Runaway (conflicts with other stuff anyway) and Everybody Hates Chris. That would be nice to see in HD but no biggie, I guess.

Has anyone here with the HR10-250 HD Tivo from Directv had any problems getting Fox to come in good since they increased their power? The HR10 is famous for not handling strong signals that well and I'm going to try an attenuator. I can get all the other channels fine.

What's the deal with 4.1? I just got a TiVo S3 and am unable to tune pick up anything on the HD 4.1 station... the signal meter in the S3 shows I'm getting ~80 percent signal which should be plenty... I can pick it up fine on 23.1 and watched the unit that way, but the TiVo guide doesn't show the correct data on 23.1 and I don't want to submit a request to change it if it's only temporarily there anyway. Anyway I can get 4.1 to come in on my S3?

Ugh, stupid stupid stupid.

Oh well, the only show I watch on The CW is maybe Runaway (conflicts with other stuff anyway) and Everybody Hates Chris. That would be nice to see in HD but no biggie, I guess.

City-HD out of Toronto broadcasts Everybody Hates Chris in HD.