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MilChad
01-24-07, 09:30 AM
Good news for HiDef and NASCAR fans:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/espnnascar012307.htm

uncrules
01-24-07, 10:04 AM
You are missing my point.

You really need to go from HBO-HD to WFMY- via D* HD-LIL

and

SHO-HD to WXII via D* HD-LIL
I see it doing both.

GSOcanesfan
01-24-07, 10:22 AM
Did anybody notice the poor picture quality on FOX for the State of the Union broadcast last night?

I am on TWC in W-S. I even switched over to the local OTA broadcasts from Charlotte and W-S and the same poor quality. It looked very soft, almost out of focus.

The other stations (CBS, ABC, NBC) looked much better.

I noticed it too on TWC, I thought it looked a little better OTA. No biggie though, since it was on every channel.

DaveWolf
01-24-07, 06:43 PM
UPDATE: ABC HD appears to be on TWC QAM channel 108-45 in Winston-Salem. I just did a rescan and it appeared to show up! Just in time for NASCAR this season! Yeeaahhh!!!

foxeng
01-24-07, 07:13 PM
Did anybody notice the poor picture quality on FOX for the State of the Union broadcast last night?

I am on TWC in W-S. I even switched over to the local OTA broadcasts from Charlotte and W-S and the same poor quality. It looked very soft, almost out of focus.

The other stations (CBS, ABC, NBC) looked much better.

It was not in HD on FOX. FOX News doesn't have HD facilities yet but they can pass 16:9 and that is what they did. I am not sure what they were doing for the actual pool feed from the House Chamber. It looked like an analog composite video signal, but the pre and post game show (yep that is what it is called in the biz) looked MUCH better. Still in SD, but didn't have the artifacts that I was seeing from the Chamber.

DeKatt
01-24-07, 07:37 PM
Apparently ABC-HD is not available via TWC on QAM tuners. I can't find it anywhere in Winston-Salem. Anybody in WS found it?

Glad you finally found it. On my tv (Westinghouse) it's at 180.9 ABC also shows up at 7 (std definition analog), and 86.5 (std def, digital).

fletch71
01-25-07, 01:56 PM
I guess this question would be for FoxEng...

I am having inconsistent luck pulling in Fox8. After Fox went to full power, things were going really well. Beginning a few weeks ago, around the American Idol premiere, my HDTiVo lost signal level to the point where it lost lock and couldn't record. I also have a Sammy 160 receiver (which seems to be a better tuner than the Hughes TiVo) and I can only occasionally lock in the signal.

Is there something going on or do I need to climb up on my roof and check things out?

Thanks,

Dan

foxeng
01-25-07, 07:27 PM
I guess this question would be for FoxEng...

I am having inconsistent luck pulling in Fox8. After Fox went to full power, things were going really well. Beginning a few weeks ago, around the American Idol premiere, my HDTiVo lost signal level to the point where it lost lock and couldn't record. I also have a Sammy 160 receiver (which seems to be a better tuner than the Hughes TiVo) and I can only occasionally lock in the signal.

Is there something going on or do I need to climb up on my roof and check things out?

Thanks,

Dan

I am happy to say that all is working well on the digital transmitter. (well I guess I just jinxed it! ;) ) Actually we have had no problems that would cause any loss of air time. Did have a leak in the cooling system but the redundant system worked just like it was suppose to.

Sounds like you might need to either rescan, readjust your antenna or check and see if something has messed up. I am off of Westridge and haven't seen a drop in signal nor have I seen any drop outs.

Hope that helps.

telemike
01-25-07, 09:13 PM
Hey, I'm near westridge. Close to Westover Church. Now that TWC has ABC in HD, I only use the OTA when I have two things on the DVR recording. I notice a little bit better PQ (only see when I am a foot from the screen) with OTA so TWC seems to be passing it along pretty well.

Donniewb420
01-25-07, 09:46 PM
Hey, I'm near westridge. Close to Westover Church. Now that TWC has ABC in HD, I only use the OTA when I have two things on the DVR recording. I notice a little bit better PQ (only see when I am a foot from the screen) with OTA so TWC seems to be passing it along pretty well.


Yea ive been pretty impressed so far with the quality of the ABC on TWC, if the past was any judgement I assumed it would of been compressed beyond repair, but they (TWC) seem to be stepping it up as of late =)

pwrmetal
01-26-07, 08:25 AM
I think TWC devotes a lot more bandwidth to the local network HD feeds (with good reason) than the HD Tier in the 560's (including ESPNHD). Somewhat ironic considering the former are free and the latter are a tier we have to pay for. I have never been able to notice artifacting or pixellation in the locals on TWC and have never seen any notable difference between TWC or OTA....

Donniewb420
01-26-07, 09:28 AM
Realistically when do you guys see us getting more choices of HD channels? (Universal HD,MHD,Espn2HD,Nat Geo HD) is it a price thing for TWC that they cant agree to pay these companies a certain amount, or is it all bandwith related? or is it just laziness on part of our local provider. I see Raleigh has Universal HD and MHD.... just a question I am sure has been asked before, but I just wanted ur opinions.

millsjt73
01-26-07, 10:04 AM
"Realistically when do you guys see us getting more choices of HD channels? (Universal HD,MHD,Espn2HD,Nat Geo HD) is it a price thing for TWC that they cant agree to pay these companies a certain amount, or is it all bandwith related? or is it just laziness on part of our local provider. I see Raleigh has Universal HD and MHD.... just a question I am sure has been asked before, but I just wanted ur opinions."

Actually I contacted Time Warner last Friday with this exact question. I told them I understood that some channels were unavailable for reasons beyond the local office's control (ESPN2, ABCHD), but that others were available to any TW branch and that UHD and MHD are available now to Triangle TW customers. I asked if they would be adding these, and if not, why not. Basically they ignored my question and just said, to paraphrase 'Golly, we're in negotiations with ESPN right now to add ESPN2HD!' as if that was something new. And they said nothing whatsoever about ABC HD, which was added the very next day! So the CSR was clueless, and even if they are considering UHD or MHD, which I doubt, they wouldn't know about it.

DaveWolf
01-26-07, 12:54 PM
Can our representative from WFMY tell us if there are any plans to shut down the weather subchannels during the Super Bowl to allow a greater bandwith? We are having a ton of folks over and would love to wow them with the great picture!

telemike
01-26-07, 12:57 PM
TWC to update SARA Firmware:

Dear Mike,

Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable's Customer Care email
department. Our Technical Operation Department will be performing
updates to the firmware in the next two weeks.

We appreciate your business and strive for your satisfaction. Please
select reply when responding to this email to ensure that previous
communications are included.

Sharon Jones
Customer Care Specialist
Greensboro Customer Service (336) 379-0200
Greensboro Repair (336) 379-0207

Donniewb420
01-26-07, 01:11 PM
TWC to update SARA Firmware:

any ideas as to what the upgrade will change or improve?

ee1993
01-26-07, 01:28 PM
What is SARA? My SA 8300HD has a problem with the HDMI output when recording another HD channel. The HDMI will periodically blink out for an instant. Only happens while recording one channel while watching another. No problem on the component output.

sbarrier
01-26-07, 01:42 PM
Can our representative from WFMY tell us if there are any plans to shut down the weather subchannels during the Super Bowl to allow a greater bandwith? We are having a ton of folks over and would love to wow them with the great picture!


Great question! I second the thought is shutting down the weather sub-channel for the Super Bowl. :D

telemike
01-26-07, 02:07 PM
SARA:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859

millsjt73
01-26-07, 03:03 PM
I'm assuming the firmware varies for different model STBs/DVRs (seems logical, anyway). If so, which model's firmware is being updated, the 8300HD? Or is it a broader change to all models? I have an 8000HD in the living room but will be having an 8300HD added to the bedroom tomorrow, so I'm just curious which will be affected.

telemike
01-26-07, 03:28 PM
I asked about the 8300HD DVR.

I think the reason the change is happening is the change in Daylight Savings Time which will impact the IPG program.

I did not ask if the new Navigator software is coming as well........

el_triad
01-27-07, 10:03 AM
I'm really suprised TW hasn't introduced more HD channels, in comparision with other TW markets which all seem to have recently added A&E HD and MHD. I just did changing of zip codes on the TW cable website to see what was offered in other TW cities.

In over 3 years now there has only been a gain of 1 HD channel. 3 years ago ABC HD was available, they added ESPN and TNT but took away INHD2 (which didn't have much on anyway).

I thought the switch to SDV was going to make their bandwidth problems go away?

foxeng
01-27-07, 10:05 AM
I thought the switch to SDV was going to make their bandwidth problems go away?

I don't think they have gotten it working correctly yet. They don't have all of the lip sync issues with it fixed just to name one item.

INHD2 stopped broadcasting. Kinda hard to provide a channel that doesn't broadcast. :D

roland6465
01-27-07, 12:48 PM
Wonder why they have to have the west coast feeds of HBO & Showtime? Now that there's DVR, it seems to be a big waste of bandwidth. Since I switched to DirecTV mid-December, I haven't once missed either one.

uncrules
01-27-07, 03:59 PM
Wonder why they have to have the west coast feeds of HBO & Showtime? Now that there's DVR, it seems to be a big waste of bandwidth. Since I switched to DirecTV mid-December, I haven't once missed either one.
I agree. TWC should drop them so they can add couple other worthwhile HD channels. They need to do something because at the end of the year, TWC in this area at least, is really going to be behind D* for HD offerings. Finally getting ABC-HD is really helpful since local HD is so important. Now that D* and TWC are equal in that area, national HD is what is going to separate them.

DaveWolf
01-29-07, 09:08 AM
I was wondering over the weekend about the ACC Tourney in HD this year. I found this on the programming thread where someone had e-mailed Raycom. Sounds like it is not a slam dunk yet, but at least they are trying:

I emailed Raycom last night:

>Thank you for your feedback. Currently, Raycom Sports and Lincoln
>Financial Sports are testing "non-network" HD delivery of our ACC
>Basketball telecasts with our local stations throughout the ACC
>Territory. If the tests are successful, we have plans in place to
>produce and deliver the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD.

>Thank you,
>Raycom Sports & Lincoln Financial Sports

foxeng
01-29-07, 12:40 PM
WGHP-DT is operating at 60% power as of about 11:30 this morning. We lost an intermediate amplifier in one of the power amplifier cabinets. We hope to have a new in the next 24 to 48 hours and get back to full power. Majority of people will not even notice a difference but I thought I would let you know.

Donniewb420
01-29-07, 01:13 PM
Hey guys, has anyone noticed on TWC feed of ABC HD that the "ABC HD" logo in the bottom right hand is a bit lower than it needs to be, on my set it looks to have the bottom of the border around the "ABC HD" logo cut off just a bit. Just curious as to what you guys are seeing. All the other channels are fine in respect to logos and placement. Thanx in advance. note- it was during the basketball game when I saw this, im pretty sure ive seen it in correct position during tv shows, dont know if the content of what is on the channel has any effect on the problem, or if it just happens to be a coincidence

xmitterengineer
01-29-07, 02:31 PM
Can our representative from WFMY tell us if there are any plans to shut down the weather subchannels during the Super Bowl to allow a greater bandwith? We are having a ton of folks over and would love to wow them with the great picture!
At this point my understanding of the bandwidth allocation for Super Bowl is that the 24/7 subchannel will be robbed of bandwidth as much as possoble while keeping its picture at an acceptable quality level. We are using statistical multiplexing which allows us to prioritize bit allocation. In essence statmux allows for routing bits to where they are needed most at any given instant on the fly. So if there is a lot of high detail motion on 2-1 at a particular moment, 2-2 will be temporarily "robbed" of some of its bits to enhance 2-1. If there is little high detail motion on 2-1 then 2-2 is allowed the benefit of more bitrate. To illistrate further : a still image once sent requires almost zero bitrate once it has been transmitted for the first frame. The bitrate required to transmit a good quality picture is directly related to the amount of detail and motion contained within the images. We will shift the bias in statmux to result in the best picture quality available in light of the amount of programming being broadcast. Good luck Sir.
Rickey

xmitterengineer
01-29-07, 02:42 PM
I was wondering over the weekend about the ACC Tourney in HD this year. I found this on the programming thread where someone had e-mailed Raycom. Sounds like it is not a slam dunk yet, but at least they are trying:

"Originally Posted by inlogan
I emailed Raycom last night:

>Thank you for your feedback. Currently, Raycom Sports and Lincoln
>Financial Sports are testing "non-network" HD delivery of our ACC
>Basketball telecasts with our local stations throughout the ACC
>Territory. If the tests are successful, we have plans in place to
>produce and deliver the entire ACC Basketball Tournament in HD.

>Thank you,
>Raycom Sports & Lincoln Financial Sports"

Speaking strictly from my own experience here and not for Raycom. Our tests with Raycom were favorable and the additional equipment for our part of this has been purchased. Raycom's part in this involves vastly more equipment and $$$. A tip of my hat to Raycom. I am very optomistic at this point. :)

Rickey.

MilChad
01-29-07, 09:49 PM
Anybody else w/ Road Runner problems tonight besides me?

jacksonian
01-29-07, 10:17 PM
Anybody else w/ Road Runner problems tonight besides me?
Working fine for me for the past half hour since I got home.

atoner
01-30-07, 08:12 PM
Is anyone else watching WMYV on TWC tonight? The picture quality is so bad I'm about to puke. I'm watching the GT/WFU basketball game, and I am glad to at least have some way to watch GT. Maybe it is because I hardly watch sports in SD anymore, but this seems quite bad. The main angle from halfcourt suffers from poor resolution, MPEG artifacts, and maybe even some ghosting. All of the detail in the players is gone. It just looks like a bunch of humanoid blobs on the court. It is expeically bad when the camera moves, causing the inlays in the floor to move and blur together.

Donniewb420
01-30-07, 10:15 PM
Is anyone else watching WMYV on TWC tonight? The picture quality is so bad I'm about to puke. I'm watching the GT/WFU basketball game, and I am glad to at least have some way to watch GT. Maybe it is because I hardly watch sports in SD anymore, but this seems quite bad. The main angle from halfcourt suffers from poor resolution, MPEG artifacts, and maybe even some ghosting. All of the detail in the players is gone. It just looks like a bunch of humanoid blobs on the court. It is expeically bad when the camera moves, causing the inlays in the floor to move and blur together.

lol humanoid blobs for some reason made me laugh... but yea it was bad

pwrmetal
01-31-07, 08:14 AM
So why isn't WMYV on TWC in HD yet? I need all those high quality MYNTV soaps in HD!!! Actually I am just hoping Raycomm will look slightly better coming off the digital feed.

foxeng
01-31-07, 08:17 AM
So why isn't WMYV on TWC in HD yet? I need all those high quality MYNTV soaps in HD!!! Actually I am just hoping Raycomm will look slightly better coming off the digital feed.

I hear the equipment hasn't arrived yet. It was easy with WXLV-DT since it had been sitting there for the last three years collecting dust.

telemike
01-31-07, 08:39 AM
It was easy with WXLV-DT since it had been sitting there for the last three years collecting dust.

Nice return on investment! :eek:

MR12
01-31-07, 08:01 PM
WXII will be showing snow closings tonight only on the analog channel. Hopefully we'll be able to continue leaving the HD programming on 12.1 in 1080i, though that decision is made above my pay grade. Feel free to give me some feedback on this since I know for some people getting the closings is very important, but hardly as frustrating as having to watch HD programming in SD.

telemike
02-01-07, 06:14 AM
WXII will be showing snow closings tonight only on the analog channel. Hopefully we'll be able to continue leaving the HD programming on 12.1 in 1080i, though that decision is made above my pay grade. Feel free to give me some feedback on this since I know for some people getting the closings is very important, but hardly as frustrating as having to watch HD programming in SD.


THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!

I much prefer the alerts to be during commercials. Nothing worse than watching your favorite show in HD and the constant flipping between HD and SD for constant impending doom alerts.

foxeng
02-01-07, 07:39 AM
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!

I much prefer the alerts to be during commercials. Nothing worse than watching your favorite show in HD and the constant flipping between HD and SD for constant impending doom alerts.

Just remember, there are some alerts we have to run, whether we do it in SD or HD.

DaveWolf
02-01-07, 11:09 AM
MR 12,

I was noticing this was the case last night. Thanks so much for doing this. It is nice to have the option to tune in the alerts if needed, but find the digital channel clear of the info.

I noticed the newscast was off the air on the digital channel for a few minutes last night during the first part.

Please pass along our appreciation for considering the end viewers in the decision process to keep the weather alerts on the analog channel only! Thanks for the update.


And also thanks to Rickey from WFMY for the update on the Raycom testing for the ACC Tournament. I love this forum! It is nice to be in the know on upcoming information!

foxeng
02-01-07, 12:06 PM
Those watching AI and Bones last night also noticed the digital was closing free as well.

telemike
02-01-07, 12:17 PM
I don't mind a small scroll alert for some immediate danger, but endless looping that the sky is falling weather alerts is mindless.

I miss the old days when the alerts were just one line of text overlayed on the full image, now we shrink the main viewing window and add HUGE borders with logos and multiple alterts, etc.

/rant off

MR12
02-01-07, 04:24 PM
My prediction is that in 2009 and beyond when television broadcasting goes entirely digital (cable also), the snow closings will only be shown on the sub-channels since everyone will be able to receive those. Of course, as Foxeng noted, some alerts will still have to be shown on the main channel but hopefully by then the technology to maintain the HD signal will have been implemented. One other note, the reason we squeeze in the sides of the screen is to maintain the aspect ratio.

runcoman
02-01-07, 07:16 PM
Does anyone from TWC greensboro post on this thread. Their support of HD is shameful. Time Warner owns Cinemax. But we still don't have Cinemax HD. In November they ran all 6 Star Wars movies in HD. But subscribers to their own cable system were hung out to dry. Other cable systems across the country have Cinemax HD, ESPN2HD, NFL NETWORK HD and other 2nd tier networks. We are the most profitable group of customers that Time Warner Greensboro has. It's time that they stop taking us for granted.

winghus
02-02-07, 02:20 PM
new poster here. Could someone tell me which QAM channels are available on TWC? I have RR and basic (15 channel) cable. Due to a substation about 100 feet away from the house, OTA may not be doable. Also, is there a place in the Triad (I'm in Greensboro) that has set top boxes, preferably with ATSC and QAM both?

telemike
02-02-07, 03:18 PM
I think the TIVO series 3 is the only STB with QAM tuners. QAM tuners are pretty much only available built-in to an HDTV.

It appears that all the other HD Tuners are ATSC OTA only. Samsung seems the only HDTV STB maker out there these days. SAMSUNG DTB-H260F

You can also go with a Media Center PC as well.

or just call TWC for an HD STB rental.

DaveWolf
02-02-07, 03:56 PM
Winghus,

Welcome, I am in W-S, so the channel numbers may be different, but I believe the channel availability is the same. Here are mine:

82-1 NBC
82-2 NBC Weather Channel
82-3 UNC SD
82-4 UNC HD
82-5 PBS Kids? (Always cartoons I don't watch much)

87-11 Discovery HD

92-1 CBS
92-2 CBS Weather Channel
92-3 FOX

108-45 ABC HD

We used to get TNT-HD, but that became encrypted about 6-8 months ago. I think that is all we are getting now. Even with the basic cable, you should get all of those channels.

8

foxeng
02-02-07, 04:36 PM
I had posted the Greensboro TWC local QAM channels about a month ago in this thread. They are different that the Winston channels. The Greensboro channels are in the 113 and 116 area. You can go back and find them there. The Samsung DTB-269-H has both ATSC and QAM tuners.

winghus
02-02-07, 05:28 PM
I had posted the Greensboro TWC local QAM channels about a month ago in this thread. They are different that the Winston channels. The Greensboro channels are in the 113 and 116 area. You can go back and find them there. The Samsung DTB-269-H has both ATSC and QAM tuners.

Yeah the Samsung is the one I'm trying to find locally. So far Cary is the closest place I can find one ( I really prefer supporting local merchants when feasible) , and a place in Raleigh has them also. Since the current HD pack with TWC is IMO not worth having, especially since digital cable is required to get it, I'd rather try QAM/OTA until many more HD channels are available through satellite/cable than are now.

I'll dig through until I find your post foxeng. Thanks for the quick responses guys.

jbrewer
02-04-07, 11:41 AM
At this point my understanding of the bandwidth allocation for Super Bowl is that the 24/7 subchannel will be robbed of bandwidth as much as possoble while keeping its picture at an acceptable quality level. We are using statistical multiplexing which allows us to prioritize bit allocation. In essence statmux allows for routing bits to where they are needed most at any given instant on the fly. So if there is a lot of high detail motion on 2-1 at a particular moment, 2-2 will be temporarily "robbed" of some of its bits to enhance 2-1. If there is little high detail motion on 2-1 then 2-2 is allowed the benefit of more bitrate. To illistrate further : a still image once sent requires almost zero bitrate once it has been transmitted for the first frame. The bitrate required to transmit a good quality picture is directly related to the amount of detail and motion contained within the images. We will shift the bias in statmux to result in the best picture quality available in light of the amount of programming being broadcast. Good luck Sir.
Rickey

I'm up visiting in Greensboro for the Super Bowl and were working on the HDTV/PC projector ensamble. Yesterday we were not getting WFMY in 5.1 . Does WFMY broadcast in 5.1?

Thanks,
Incus

roland6465
02-04-07, 12:00 PM
^ They just got their 5.1 equipment up & running a few weeks ago, but the AFC championship was 5.1 on WFMY.

jbrewer
02-04-07, 12:04 PM
roland6465, thanks for the quick reply. another ?. Is WFMY broadcasting 5.1 right now?
Thanks,
Incus

jbrewer
02-04-07, 01:16 PM
Ill keep checking back to the psot. If anyone could post if they are receiving 2.0 or 5.1, it will be greatly appreciated. It gets so confusing with so many decoders in a PC. (HDTV card, sound card and XP media)

Thanks,
Incus

pwrmetal
02-04-07, 02:13 PM
Definitely getting 5.1 via TWC during their pregame show.

roland6465
02-04-07, 02:41 PM
Also getting 5.1 on MPEG4 DirecTV

jbrewer
02-04-07, 02:48 PM
We're OTA. Can't figure out how to set up all the internal decoders. Miss my Samsung SIR-t151, so simple.
Incus

djrcelicagt41
02-04-07, 02:56 PM
Im getting 5.1 OTA on WFMY pre-game.

J. L.
02-04-07, 05:19 PM
There is at least a 1 or 2 second delay on the TWC signal vs. OTA.

Very distracting, I have 3 sets tuned to the pre-game. (one is SD, two HDTV)

Initially one was HD-OTA, as I wanted to compare the image quality with TWC. I'll need to keep all the sets either OTA or on TWC once guests arrive.

Joe L.

PamW
02-04-07, 11:18 PM
Am I the only one who caught the irony of the TWC ad during the Super Bowl tonight?
Bragging about HD, and the commercial was in SD.

I think I'll ask them about that....

J. L.
02-04-07, 11:23 PM
Couldn't tell much difference on the 30" HDTV in the den between OTA and TWC on CBS for the Superbowl. The two signals looked about the same...

But... on the 110" screen in the theater... big difference. OTA was noticeably better. (Barco 1208 CRT Front Projector)

Great HDTV coverage... I did not notice much pixilation following the action at all. I have to guess CBS was trying to put as good a signal out as possible and kept the bit rate as high as possible. Image was a bit blurry as the camera lenses got soaked in the rain. Surprised they did not have "rain hoods" to keep the raindrops off the expensive optics on those cameras.

Joe L.

foxeng
02-05-07, 07:39 AM
Am I the only one who caught the irony of the TWC ad during the Super Bowl tonight?
Bragging about HD, and the commercial was in SD.

I think I'll ask them about that....

You have to look at it from the standpoint of if you are watching it in HD, then that commercial isn't for you!! :) It is for all of those people who DON'T have HD and therefore ARE watching it in SD. So why produce a commercial in HD if the intended viewers aren't watching it in HD? ;)

Plus I don't think anyone has local HD commercial playback yet. We don't. Our server is just old enough that it is SD only. Our next one will be able to do SD or HD. That is the way they are all being made these days.

atoner
02-07-07, 09:34 PM
OK, I'm not even a Duke or UNC fan, but it is a shame we can't get the game in HD. I find is especially maddening when something is available but TV regulations or exclusive agreements prevent me from getting it, e.g. SD vs. HD, games on certain regional sports networks, or season packages.

At least the quality isn't as bad as WMYV...

MilChad
02-07-07, 10:20 PM
OK, I'm not even a Duke or UNC fan, but it is a shame we can't get the game in HD. I find is especially maddening when something is available but TV regulations or exclusive agreements prevent me from getting it, e.g. SD vs. HD, games on certain regional sports networks, or season packages.

At least the quality isn't as bad as WMYV...

Agreed. I understand blackouts and all that, but I pay extra money for ESPNHD and they deny me. It sucks.

Donniewb420
02-08-07, 09:10 AM
Agreed. I understand blackouts and all that, but I pay extra money for ESPNHD and they deny me. It sucks.


yea it blows that raycom sports doesnt do their broadcasts in HD....

atoner
02-08-07, 07:28 PM
yea it blows that raycom sports doesnt do their broadcasts in HD....

I looked over on the Raleigh forum to see their reaction. They were already talking about how Raycom is working on a solution and may get the tournament in HD. There was a reply mentioning that the ACC market agreement is needed, otherwise Raycom couldn't broadcast other ACC games. It almost sounded like the big games subsidize production of less popular matchups.

It seems there's an opportunity for very profitable pay-per-view in cases like this. If the signal and technology is available, why not let someone pay $50 to watch a game in HD instead of SD or get a single game/day off NFL Sunday Ticket? There wouldn't be enough viewer volume to affect the mass advertising (Raycom example) or much of the incentive to switch from cable to satellite (Sunday Ticket). I guess this would take some law changes since the blackout rules are so entrenched.

millsjt73
02-09-07, 02:23 PM
"Originally Posted by telemike:
TWC to update SARA Firmware"

Looks like TWC did this Wednesday night/Thurs. AM for the 8000HD. Mine kept saying the Video Recorder was unavailable due to "being checked" until I finally rebooted it around 11pm Thursday (on the advice of a grumpy/harried CSR). I could watch or pause live TV but couldn't access saved shows, and schedule recordings were not occurring. When setting the 8000HD to record all episodes of a program I now have four options instead of three, but the guide seemed noticeably slower.

The TWC customer service number was busy the first umpteen times I tried to call -- did anybody else experience the 'your video recorder is being checked' problem? Clearly I should have just rebooted to start with.

uncrules
02-09-07, 03:16 PM
ACC Tourny in HD.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/16664153.htm

Raycom/Lincoln Financial will announce next week that ACC basketball is going high definition.

For the first time, the men's ACC basketball tournament -- which begins March 8 in Tampa -- will be broadcast in HD on the syndicated network.

Technical problems have kept the network from switching to high def before now.

Ken Haines, Raycom's president, said Friday that affiliates aren't set up to receive syndicated programming in HD. They get their network programs in HD, but aren't set up to receive feeds from other sources.

Raycom's move will make it one of the first college basketball networks in the nation to offer HD events.

Of the 35 stations that get ACC basketball from Raycom/Lincoln Financial, about a third will be equipped to receive the HD feed by tournament time. That includes WBTV (Channel 3) in Charlotte as well as other major markets, including Greensboro and Raleigh.

"We're looking at adding some regular-season games next year," said Haines. "I don't know how far away we are from doing all the games in HD."

telemike
02-09-07, 06:04 PM
Greensboro TWC just installed SARA 1.89.17.1 on my SA8300HD . I now have the 4th FF/REW speed, the IPG says if an episode is HDTV and/or NEW. There are a couple more recording options as well.

riveyman
02-09-07, 07:15 PM
"Originally Posted by telemike:
TWC to update SARA Firmware"

Looks like TWC did this Wednesday night/Thurs. AM for the 8000HD. Mine kept saying the Video Recorder was unavailable due to "being checked" until I finally rebooted it around 11pm Thursday (on the advice of a grumpy/harried CSR). I could watch or pause live TV but couldn't access saved shows, and schedule recordings were not occurring. When setting the 8000HD to record all episodes of a program I now have four options instead of three, but the guide seemed noticeably slower.

The TWC customer service number was busy the first umpteen times I tried to call -- did anybody else experience the 'your video recorder is being checked' problem? Clearly I should have just rebooted to start with.
The guide is definitely slow, very annoying... That is why I came here, to see if anyone else was having this issue... looks like it! :(
Also, the volume is way off... I have to turn it UP to about 10 or 12 click higher than before.... anyone else have this issue?

roland6465
02-09-07, 07:15 PM
^^ GREAT NEWS, uncrules.....I must admit that I have been all over Raycom for its forced blackouts of ESPNHD, but I will be writing a letter next week thanking them for getting this together. I would imagine that this also means that "feature" football and basketball games would also be possible shortly thereafter.

pwrmetal
02-09-07, 07:48 PM
Definitely have noticed a difference with my 2 cable boxes. My normal HD box has had different looking text in the channel switching box for nearly a week. Thursday morning my 8300HD had a meltdown and had to be switched off for a few minutes. Then it had the same change in text appearence. Haven't really noticed anything else.

telemike
02-09-07, 08:18 PM
From http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859

1.89.x.x - New Features
NOTE: Some of these may or may not be applicable to your particular cableco.
Second line of text now includes the show's rating - or at least it usually does.
Categories (Talk Shows, Sci-Fi) are now shown in the description details of each show.
NEW Flag now displayed in IPG (displays on date/time line in Menu and on last line of Program Description).
Recording future-dated episodes provides options for those wanting to record episodes other than First Run, but not all rerun episodes:
On this channel this day in this time slot
On this channel at any time
On this channel any day in this time slot
Program description is now available with the info button while you are watching a recorded program instead of only showing the Playback channel.
If you block a rating, lets say PG-13, then all references anywhere in the system to any program with a PG-13 rating says "Title Blocked" until you enter the four digit code to unlock the system.
DAY UP and DAY DOWN buttons on the remote control (if you have them) are fully operational.
If you enter a channel number that doesn't exist, rather than flashing ??? in the channel number field and then doing nothing, it instead switches to the next channel above the channel you requested.


1.89.x.x - Bugs Remaining (Not all-inclusive)
When switching from live TV to a previously recorded program, the channel indicator does not change to the Playback channel number. It remains where it was before switching. This might cause some confusion.
Issue not resolved (same as before): When you are in FF mode and hit Instant Replay, then hit FF again, you go to the next higher FF step instead of FF1. When you are in the top step FF and hit Instant Replay, then hit FF again, you go to Play instead of FF1.
Surfing through the IPG (right arrow for example) is slower than before.

bdfox18doe
02-09-07, 08:20 PM
Raycom-Lincoln Financial Sports have announced they will be producing the 2007
ACC Tournament in HD. :)

uncrules
02-10-07, 11:19 AM
I've noticed an issue with WFMY-DT. Earlier this morning the picture was frozen on both the D* and OTA versions of the channel. WFMY-SD was okay. Then WFMY-DT went out all together. The video came back on later but the audio is missing from WFMY-DT from D*. However, the OTA version of WFMY-DT does have sound. I noticed this on both my H20 and HR20. As of now the audio issue still exists.

uncrules
02-10-07, 11:24 AM
Raycom-Lincoln Financial Sports have announced they will be producing the 2007
ACC Tournament in HD. :)
I know, I posted the same thing about 6 posts prior to yours. :)

roland6465
02-10-07, 02:41 PM
uncrules.....I'm getting the same thing as well...hope it's resolved before the State game this afternoon. Looks soooooo much better off WFMY's digital feed.

originalprime
02-11-07, 05:44 AM
I apologize if this question is off-limits for this forum thread. I'm trying to find out if anyone else in the triad is experiencing difficulties with their SA8x00 boxes after a recent firmware update.

Firstly, I am assuming that the update is system-wide, not simply limited to Winston-Salem. Secondly, I am assuming that the ~same~ update was sent to whomever is using this hardware.

Since the update (I received it a 4-something a.m. on Thursday, February 8th) my box has been cutting itself off. For my setup, this is a very bad thing. The settings option for "Power: Power Button and Numeric" does not work. Because I can't send a discrete power "ON" signal, I'm pretty much boned.

Also, while watching TV, it will randomly (seemingly, at least) go gray, with a message saying "Press any button to watch TV."

Time Warner Cable has hijacked my cable box, and I don't like it.

The diagnostic screens reveal the following:

PTV: OS Home Server Edition 1.8

Flash: DVR 1.5.2_8300_MR.LR_F.p.1002

Apps: Compass Version .0.4.0b17.2
hgra v3.3.16

Everything appears as normal (as far as the last time I'd look at it) except that I'm no longer showing SARA as my app. SARA used to be the only app listed. Is anyone else in this are having difficulty? Has anyone else in this area received said update? If so, what was the update supposed to fix?

Thanks for any help, and I apologize again if this isn't in the right place. I thought I'd direct the question to the locals first.

HDTVFanAtic
02-11-07, 06:13 AM
I've noticed an issue with WFMY-DT. Earlier this morning the picture was frozen on both the D* and OTA versions of the channel. WFMY-SD was okay. Then WFMY-DT went out all together. The video came back on later but the audio is missing from WFMY-DT from D*. However, the OTA version of WFMY-DT does have sound. I noticed this on both my H20 and HR20. As of now the audio issue still exists.

Many of the devices in the digital domain hold the last frame if they loose a signal (or until the next good frame is received). In some devices, they require a good power cycle to sync back up after everything is restored. Most likely that is what happened here.

For example, the Harris IRD that WFMY uses for CBS HD Network feed (depending on the firmware installed) will either hold the last frame or put up a black slate that says "Loss of Input Signal".

telemike
02-11-07, 08:29 AM
Everything appears as normal (as far as the last time I'd look at it) except that I'm no longer showing SARA as my app. SARA used to be the only app listed. Is anyone else in this are having difficulty? Has anyone else in this area received said update? If so, what was the update supposed to fix?
.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=471859

foxeng
02-11-07, 09:21 AM
I meant to post his earlier in the week but I have been busy helping install a new router at the station before the old died on us (we were successful, thank God!)

Anyway (I digress) I drove by WCWG's tower (channel 20 CW) last Monday and it looks like they have changed out the dummy pole and installed a new pole with mounts for the antenna. The new pole looks like it is painted aviation orange (which isn't unusual, my antennas are painted aviation orange and our tower isn't painted). Looks to me just install the antenna and run the feed line. If they are working this month (this is ratings and the other stations may not have let them) they could be finished by the end of the month, weather permitting. If not, it might be another 45 to 60 days. Are you in a position to comment Zane? If not, I understand.

jweinel
02-11-07, 03:58 PM
Firstly, I am assuming that the update is system-wide, not simply limited to Winston-Salem. Secondly, I am assuming that the ~same~ update was sent to whomever is using this hardware.

Since the update (I received it a 4-something a.m. on Thursday, February 15th) my box has been cutting itself off. For my setup, this is a very bad thing. The settings option for "Power: Power Button and Numeric" does not work. Because I can't send a discrete power "ON" signal, I'm pretty much boned.

Also, while watching TV, it will randomly (seemingly, at least) go gray, with a message saying "Press any button to watch TV."


I have an 8000HD box in Greensboro and received Sara Ver 1.89.17.1 early Thursday Feb 8. I have noted the gray dialog box "Press any button...." but my numeric power on still works.

I was "upgraded" by TWC from 8300 non-HD to 8000HD last fall when I installed HDTV but I do not like the disabled SD outputs on the 8000HD. I have to drop back to 480i and use PIP to get regular AV outputs for my whole house distribution. As a result, I am not using HD as much as I would if I could also get simultaneous SD for the rest of the house. Does TWC offer the 8300HD box in Greensboro and can I do a carry-in swap or will they insist on an official "install" by their "tech"?? I plan to call TWC this week but would like to hear other experiences before tackling their customer service.

Thanks,
Jim

uncrules
02-11-07, 05:20 PM
For D* customers, the dook*/Maryland game is in HD on channel 95.

Zane
02-11-07, 11:09 PM
I meant to post his earlier in the week but I have been busy helping install a new router at the station before the old died on us (we were successful, thank God!)

Anyway (I digress) I drove by WCWG's tower (channel 20 CW) last Monday and it looks like they have changed out the dummy pole and installed a new pole with mounts for the antenna. The new pole looks like it is painted aviation orange (which isn't unusual, my antennas are painted aviation orange and our tower isn't painted). Looks to me just install the antenna and run the feed line. If they are working this month (this is ratings and the other stations may not have let them) they could be finished by the end of the month, weather permitting. If not, it might be another 45 to 60 days. Are you in a position to comment Zane? If not, I understand.
All transmitters are back at full power for the month of Feb. Work at the top will resume after ratings.

jabajet
02-12-07, 08:39 PM
Why is 24 not in HD on Fox TWC???

DwntwnWS
02-12-07, 08:42 PM
It is not just a TWC issue, it dropped out of HD on D* as well. Foxeng??

djrcelicagt41
02-12-07, 08:47 PM
24 is not in HD OTA either

sbarrier
02-12-07, 09:27 PM
24 is back in HD!!!!

Bronco70
02-12-07, 10:58 PM
24 is not in HD OTA either

And I was just about to go watch my TIVO'd D* OTA so did any more nukes go off?

Joe

J. L.
02-12-07, 11:22 PM
And I was just about to go watch my TIVO'd D* OTA so did any more nukes go off?

JoeYou will not find spoilers from me... you will have to watch the recording you made. I will share that there were a few plot twists I did not see coming...(guess that is not giving too much away) :D

More important... what caused the switch to SD mid show? If at the network feed, what will happen some day when there is no SD signal to fall back to?

From what I remember foxeng saying, the grey pillarbox bars indicated a local feed.
Perhaps it was a control room issue?

Noticeably different audio levels between the two signals... although it might just be stereo vs. 5.1. Had to turn the volume down when it went to SD and back up when it returned to HD.

Joe L.

HDTVFanAtic
02-13-07, 03:22 AM
24 is not in HD OTA either

local issue - no problem in other markets.

foxeng
02-13-07, 07:29 AM
We had a local issue with network on the SD side last night during 24. Since we do not have "a switch" like some stations do, if we have a problem on SD and have to take a different source, as we had to last night, it causes the HD feed to drop out and back to SD until we can get the correct network source back on the air.

As far as the level difference, we have no control over that. What network feeds us on the HD feed has its own level that we have no way of adjusting so we have to roll with it. That can be called a disadvantage of the splicer.

ee1993
02-15-07, 09:45 AM
We recorded NCIS and The Unit (delayed due to the basketball game) and were disappointed that they were not in HD. Does WFMY not have the capability to record network HD for later replay? Also, anyone else think that WFMY's upconverted SD is poor? To me, the SD programs look much better on the analog channel then on the digital but network SD through the digital looks OK.

xmitterengineer
02-15-07, 03:25 PM
We recorded NCIS and The Unit (delayed due to the basketball game) and were disappointed that they were not in HD. Does WFMY not have the capability to record network HD for later replay? Also, anyone else think that WFMY's upconverted SD is poor? To me, and SD program look much better on the analog channel then on digital but network SD through the digital looks OK.


This is being looked at as I type. The short answer is that yes we do have delayed playback HDTV capability. And its use was scheduled for the programming in question. I just saw the tapes(NCIS and The Unit) play in HD after being pulled from their proper positions on the shelf. OK our senior MCO just came back with the verdict. We recorded and failed to air the HD versions. This apearantly was human error and I personaly apologize for that. :)
Rickey.

MR12
02-15-07, 08:34 PM
Major issues tonight coming out of the Earl end break into the Office. Working on it now. A system reboot hopefully will fix the problem.

ShaunoftheDead9
02-15-07, 08:35 PM
What is going on over at WXII?

ShaunoftheDead9
02-15-07, 08:35 PM
Well there goes my recording of the office. Damnit!

ShaunoftheDead9
02-15-07, 08:43 PM
:confused: Oh well I'll just watch it online. Best luck at getting the problems worked out.

MR12
02-15-07, 08:50 PM
We did a system reboot only to find the issue was with network. They are still working on getting it fixed. We are leaving the DT signal in SD for the time so at least our viewers will get audio. If I get word as to what the issue in New York entails I'll pass it along.

Donniewb420
02-15-07, 09:09 PM
:confused: Oh well I'll just watch it online. Best luck at getting the problems worked out.


Yea my recording got jacked too, do they offer every episode online after it airs on NBC???

ShaunoftheDead9
02-16-07, 08:30 AM
Yea my recording got jacked too, do they offer every episode online after it airs on NBC???

Most of the time they do air online.

HDTVFanAtic
02-16-07, 02:42 PM
Snow and bad weather in NY and a Ku Uplink...those NBC Network engineers are geniuses.

ee1993
02-16-07, 05:17 PM
Snow and bad weather in NY and a Ku Uplink...those NBC Network engineers are geniuses.

I seem to recall a superbowl where NBC lost 20 minutes due to rain fade on a Ku band uplink. This was just after they changed over to Ku band and had no C band backup.

HDTVFanAtic
02-17-07, 11:06 AM
I seem to recall a superbowl where NBC lost 20 minutes due to rain fade on a Ku band uplink. This was just after they changed over to Ku band and had no C band backup.


I seem to remember loosing about 2 weeks of HD in the 2005 November sweeps for heavy rain in NY.

I seem to remember what the opening of the 2006 Winter Olympics looked like because of rain or snow in NY.

All with no C Band backup and no redundancy of uplinks in various geographical areas.

There are countless examples :D

ee1993
02-17-07, 03:04 PM
I just acquired a 1970's ventage spectrum analyzer (HP 141T).
Here are two screen shots, one showing the very good signal I receive from WFMY-DT on channel 51 (693 MHz) and the other showing the poorer signals from WXII-DT ch 31, WUNL-DT ch 32, and WMYV-TV ch33 (573, 579, 585 MHz). Received from a RS yagi with rotor through 100 ft of RG6 to a CM UHF preamp. I must have multipath problems on the path to WXII. The antenna was repositioned for best reception in each case. Spectrum analyzer settings are 2 MHz and 10 dB per devision, IBW 30 KHz, VBW 10kHz. Top of screen reference level is -30dBm.

foxeng
02-17-07, 03:20 PM
I just acquired a 1970's ventage spectrum analyzer (HP 141T).
Here are two screen shots, one showing the very good signal I receive from WFMY-DT on channel 51 (693 MHz) and the other showing the poorer signals from WXII-DT ch 31, WUNL-DT ch 32, and WMYV-TV ch33 (573, 579, 585 MHz). Received from a RS yagi with rotor through 100 ft of RG6 to a CM UHF preamp. I must have multipath problems on the path to WXII. The antenna was repositioned for best reception in each case. Spectrum analyzer settings are 6 MHz and 10 dB per devision, IBW 30 KHz, VBW 10kHz. Top of screen reference level is -30dBm.

Looks like you have the best looking signal from WUNL with WMYV second. That is a pretty deep null for WXII in the first 1 meg. It could be receiver overload too. You rarely see a perfect square wave in an urban area. That is why the vintage of receiver is so important.

foxeng
02-17-07, 03:25 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Two years from today I get to turn off my channel 35 transmitter and turn my channel 8 digital transmitter on.

ee1993
02-17-07, 06:47 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Two years from today I get to turn off my channel 35 transmitter and turn my channel 8 digital transmitter on.

That screen was with the antenna pointed northwest toward WXII 12.1. I also seem to have a deep null in ch 35. Here is a screen at 1 MHz/div and a wide one at 5 MHz/div. The Sony TV has no problem with any of these signals but the Viewsonic gives me trouble on the signals that are not nicely rectangular.

foxeng
02-17-07, 07:46 PM
Those do not look too much different than what I have seen here and they all decode just fine for me. You will never get an exact square wave which is why the receiver equalizers are set the way the are and the new 5th and soon 6th gen receivers work on things like that.

DwntwnWS
02-18-07, 02:57 PM
I have not noticed anyone complaining in the HDTV Programming thread so I am checking to see if it is something specific to our local D* feed for CBS. All weekend the pixelization/artifacting has been beyond horrible. The OTA feed from Greensboro and Charlotte have been fine. I noticed it yesterday during the Wake game (not HD) and today during the Duke game (in HD). CBS feeds are usually terrific, but something has happened this weekend. I didn't know if the local CBS guys had contacted D*, they are making you look really bad or is it just me.

bdfox18doe
02-18-07, 03:14 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Two years from today I get to turn off my channel 35 transmitter and turn my channel 8 digital transmitter on.

And I'll be right there with you taking all the phone calls from gramma and grampa sixpack.... :eek:

foxeng
02-18-07, 03:47 PM
And I'll be right there with you taking all the phone calls from gramma and grampa sixpack.... :eek:

Yeah, and every other TV station too.

I must admit, I will be glad to get back to one format to worry about. Of course running two transmitters brings back my AM/FM days so doing that isn't that tough to me but if we are to shut down one, then let's get it shutdown and move on with life and stop pussy-footing around.

HDTVFanAtic
02-19-07, 03:33 AM
I have not noticed anyone complaining in the HDTV Programming thread so I am checking to see if it is something specific to our local D* feed for CBS. All weekend the pixelization/artifacting has been beyond horrible. The OTA feed from Greensboro and Charlotte have been fine. I noticed it yesterday during the Wake game (not HD) and today during the Duke game (in HD). CBS feeds are usually terrific, but something has happened this weekend. I didn't know if the local CBS guys had contacted D*, they are making you look really bad or is it just me.


I'll say it again, from the numbers you supplied me, I think your signal level is way too low.

Considering that satellite signals do worse in cold weather and they type weather lately, those combine to mean trouble if you dish isn't peaked.

I would really suggest that you ask more people here with D* and a H20 to post the 103W readings for the active transponders.

MilChad
02-19-07, 10:13 AM
For any NASCAR fans on the forum, it was great to see in-car HD cameras during the Busch and Cup races this past weekend. I read where it would be a long time before we saw HD cameras inside the cars due to their size and weight, so apparently that isn't an issue anymore.

Donniewb420
02-19-07, 11:43 AM
For any NASCAR fans on the forum, it was great to see in-car HD cameras during the Busch and Cup races this past weekend. I read where it would be a long time before we saw HD cameras inside the cars due to their size and weight, so apparently that isn't an issue anymore.

Yea that was pretty cool, supposedly when EPSN airs their portion of the Nextel Cup races, the incar HD cameras will be even better, I also heard they have certain Robot HD cameras that will troll around the infield, and etc...

nc_av_newbee
02-19-07, 12:00 PM
Has anyone else had a problem lately with TWC digital signal (picture) freezing up? In the last couple of days, occasionally my picture has stopped moving and after a few seconds the sound will start back up but I have to change the channel for the picture to become 'active' again.

Anyone else having this problem?

deuce01
02-19-07, 12:29 PM
I have not noticed anyone complaining in the HDTV Programming thread so I am checking to see if it is something specific to our local D* feed for CBS. All weekend the pixelization/artifacting has been beyond horrible. The OTA feed from Greensboro and Charlotte have been fine. I noticed it yesterday during the Wake game (not HD) and today during the Duke game (in HD). CBS feeds are usually terrific, but something has happened this weekend. I didn't know if the local CBS guys had contacted D*, they are making you look really bad or is it just me.


I'll second this question. I was trying to watch the Golf Tourney yesterday and the D* feed was almost unbearable. The OTA feed was good except that my antenna was acting up and dropping the signal (or my HR20 was showing its weak OTA skills again :(). Does anyone have any input on what's up with D*'s Greensboro CBS feed?

ee1993
02-19-07, 02:36 PM
I watched some to the CBS golf yesterday from TWC. I believe that CBS was having problems with the wireless links to the hand-held cams. Sometimes the shot would start to pixel but it immediately cleared when they switched to another camera.

MilChad
02-19-07, 03:08 PM
I've been recording Letterman on my HR20 for the past few weeks and I noticed that last week (all of the sudden) the video was very sub-par from what it looked like when I first got the new DVR. I have only noticed the issue on CBS. I'm not sure what the OTA channel looks like since I only record the MPEG-4 channel to save room on the hard drive.

MR12
02-19-07, 03:48 PM
I think a lot of the drop out issues people were experiencing over the weekend were due to the high winds. I was getting dropouts OTA from just about every station at one point or another and I know others were as well. High winds reek havoc on digital broadcasting.

atoner
02-19-07, 10:25 PM
I just got back in town and noticed the 8300HD DVR upgrade. In addition to the features already mentioned, I noticed a really nice new one: When trying to play back a program that's still being recorded there's now an option to start playing from th beginning. Very cool!

DwntwnWS
02-20-07, 02:41 AM
I'll say it again, from the numbers you supplied me, I think your signal level is way too low.

Considering that satellite signals do worse in cold weather and they type weather lately, those combine to mean trouble if you dish isn't peaked.

I would really suggest that you ask more people here with D* and a H20 to post the 103W readings for the active transponders.

I know that is your theory and there may be some issues with my 103 alignment, but I have not had a single issue with the locals from D* for the 2 months that I have been using the HR20 and this weekend was not the only cold spell we have been through over the last few weeks. CBS is the only local channel exhibiting the horrible reception via D* and it just started on Saturday. Monday night the Network shows were also bad via D*. The other locals are OK. I also see a few others have responded with the same issue. Any insight from our local CBS support folks?

xmitterengineer
02-20-07, 08:37 PM
I know that is your theory and there may be some issues with my 103 alignment, but I have not had a single issue with the locals from D* for the 2 months that I have been using the HR20 and this weekend was not the only cold spell we have been through over the last few weeks. CBS is the only local channel exhibiting the horrible reception via D* and it just started on Saturday. Monday night the Network shows were also bad via D*. The other locals are OK. I also see a few others have responded with the same issue. Any insight from our local CBS support folks?

I will take a look tomorrow and make a phone call or two if deemed necessary. Thanks for the report. :)

Rickey.

atoner
02-20-07, 10:38 PM
I just got back in town and noticed the 8300HD DVR upgrade. In addition to the features already mentioned, I noticed a really nice new one: When trying to play back a program that's still being recorded there's now an option to start playing from th beginning. Very cool!

...and while playing back a program that was still being recorded, it didn't dump me to live action when the program finished recording - it just kept playing. Nice.

foxeng
02-21-07, 06:40 AM
Heads up for TWC DVR subs.

You may want to check your DVR's. We have several people call and email complaining that we aren't broadcasting something in HD at the same time it is on in SD, even though we are. We have determined that they must have DVR's and after watching something on the DVR and the box isn't going back to real time causing people to miss programming thinking we have done something wrong.

HDTVFanAtic
02-21-07, 11:09 AM
Heads up for TWC DVR subs.

You may want to check your DVR's. We have several people call and email complaining that we aren't broadcasting something in HD at the same time it is on in SD, even though we are. We have determined that they must have DVR's and after watching something on the DVR and the box isn't going back to real time causing people to miss programming thinking we have done something wrong.

What SARA version was installed in Greensboro?

catdaddy
02-21-07, 12:08 PM
...and while playing back a program that was still being recorded, it didn't dump me to live action when the program finished recording - it just kept playing. Nice.

This is a very nice new feature.

J. L.
02-21-07, 12:20 PM
This is a very nice new feature.Yes, it's nice... but I would not call it a new feature... instead I would say they finally fixed a very annoying bug in the way their software previously worked.

It should never have dumped you out to live TV when the recording ended.

HDTVFanAtic
02-21-07, 12:47 PM
Am I the only one in America that finds it nuts that to CHANGE TO A LOWER CHANNEL, you hit CHANNEL DOWN, to scroll DOWN THE LIST of recorded shows, you press THE DOWN ARROW, but in the channel guide to CHANGE TO A HIGHER CHANNEL you PRESS DOWN?

homcom
02-21-07, 01:33 PM
Am I the only one in America that finds it nuts that to CHANGE TO A LOWER CHANNEL, you hit CHANNEL DOWN, to scroll DOWN THE LIST of recorded shows, you press THE DOWN ARROW, but in the channel guide to CHANGE TO A HIGHER CHANNEL you PRESS DOWN?
No your not the only one, I have always thought it was the oddest thing to press down to up in the guide on my Comcast box. I guess it just one of those oxymorons of life.

vstone
02-21-07, 03:04 PM
I just got back in town and noticed the 8300HD DVR upgrade. In addition to the features already mentioned, I noticed a really nice new one: When trying to play back a program that's still being recorded there's now an option to start playing from th beginning. Very cool!We got that in Martinsville (Comcast, nee Adelphia) about a year ago. I hope that the cable companies have a good reason for delaying such features. I was estatic when I saw this feature appear.

xmitterengineer
02-21-07, 03:59 PM
Originally Posted by DwntwnWS
I know that is your theory and there may be some issues with my 103 alignment, but I have not had a single issue with the locals from D* for the 2 months that I have been using the HR20 and this weekend was not the only cold spell we have been through over the last few weeks. CBS is the only local channel exhibiting the horrible reception via D* and it just started on Saturday. Monday night the Network shows were also bad via D*. The other locals are OK. I also see a few others have responded with the same issue. Any insight from our local CBS support folks?



I will take a look tomorrow and make a phone call or two if deemed necessary. Thanks for the report. :)

Rickey.


I called the support folks concerned with this. They monitored the signal for over 20 minutes with no symptom noted. I will continue to check for this problem from time to time.Thanks

Rickey.

MilChad
02-22-07, 08:11 PM
OK what's going on with WXII-DT?

MR12
02-22-07, 08:16 PM
We've been off the air all day. Waiting on one part which should arrive in the morning, then we should be back up. We had an equipment failure earlier.

Greg T
02-22-07, 08:33 PM
Missed earl again, guess I gotta setup 30 rock to record from 17.1

Donniewb420
02-22-07, 08:48 PM
second week in a row no office in hd:/ thanx for the quick headsup though Mr12=) we appreciate it!

moofighters
02-22-07, 09:06 PM
Man I'm ticked off.... No Office, Earl, or Scrubs!!!!!!! that bums me out... :( Sorry to hear you are having problems Mr12.....

androgelrx
02-22-07, 10:55 PM
Am I the only one who noticed ABC is in HD now?

MR12
02-22-07, 11:28 PM
Am I the only one who noticed ABC is in HD now?

Today? Yes. ;)

androgelrx
02-22-07, 11:39 PM
I thought I was going crazy...glad that's not the case!

Donniewb420
02-23-07, 06:37 AM
Today? Yes. ;)


Does anyone think that ABC HD on TW has fallen off a bit lately, when the channel first came on maybe it was better, or maybe I was like finally ABC HD man this kicks ass... everytime I look at it now, it seems to not be as sharp as other Local HD's, maybe its just me. Just wanted some feedback.

foxeng
02-23-07, 07:25 AM
We've been off the air all day. Waiting on one part which should arrive in the morning, then we should be back up. We had an equipment failure earlier.

Do you guys run one tube or two tubes?

Zane
02-23-07, 07:28 PM
Does anyone think that ABC HD on TW has fallen off a bit lately, when the channel first came on maybe it was better, or maybe I was like finally ABC HD man this kicks ass... everytime I look at it now, it seems to not be as sharp as other Local HD's, maybe its just me. Just wanted some feedback.
I can not say if there has been a change on the ABC signal on cable, but I do know we have not changed anything on the broadcast side. I have taken 3 or 4 calls from viewers in the WS area that have had trouble with the ch 530 feed flashing on and off. They all said cable said it was WXLV. I called TWC engineering and it was the first they heard of it. Those guys were very helpful and wanted to talk to one of the viewers that had the problem so I gave them the last guy who called name and number. Since that call (last week) I have not had anymore complaints.

foxeng
02-24-07, 08:25 AM
Zane,

We got a registered letter the other day saying that TWC has put the Winston-Head end on line for the western part of their area and the Greensboro headend for the east. Could it be they are having headend problems in Winston?

Good to see you guys yesterday!!

telemike
02-24-07, 08:35 AM
I wonder if TWC is ever going to add channels 20 & 48 to the HD channels?

foxeng
02-24-07, 08:43 AM
Channel 20 has to get up in HD first! :)

Greg T
02-24-07, 09:34 AM
Foxeng,
I have DirecTV and live in Mebane and Orange County. Based on my location I get all of the Raleigh/Durham station and channel 2 and 8 out of greensboro via SD. I just got upgraded to the Mpeg4 setup. They turned on The Raleigh/Durham stations in HD, but not 2 and 8 in HD. Do you know why. DirecTV didn't have a clue even spoke to a manager.
I would think whatever I got in SD I would get in HD.

foxeng
02-24-07, 11:05 AM
WRAL lately has begun to fight the significantly viewed station status of the countries that border the Raleigh market to keep them out. They just won one in Chatham County a few weeks ago against WFMY. Since WRAL also owns WRAZ, I am sure they are fighting any out of market CBS or FOX stations from being viewed in the Raleigh market via any MSO, terrestrial or space based. SD and HD are handled separately and there are no significantly viewed HD viewers in Orange Country, yet so it isn't offered. That would be my guess.

gregchak
02-24-07, 05:31 PM
Anyone else noticing how bad the PQ is for WFMY HD on D*? OTA looks great as usual, but the PQ of D* HDLiL of WFMY is badly pixelated. It was that way for the Georgetown/Pittsburgh game along with the Florida/LSU game that's going on now. The HDLiL version of WGHP, WXLV and WXII all look good although WXII is the only one in HD at the moment.

DwntwnWS
02-24-07, 05:55 PM
Anyone else noticing how bad the PQ is for WFMY HD on D*? OTA looks great as usual, but the PQ of D* HDLiL of WFMY is badly pixelated. It was that way for the Georgetown/Pittsburgh game along with the Florida/LSU game that's going on now. The HDLiL version of WGHP, WXLV and WXII all look good although WXII is the only one in HD at the moment.

It has been this way since at least last Saturday. I have been asking about this issue all week, check a few posts back, but so far very little response. Several other friends have been telling me the same thing. I hope someone will figure out the problem.

uncrules
02-24-07, 06:29 PM
It has been this way since at least last Saturday. I have been asking about this issue all week, check a few posts back, but so far very little response. Several other friends have been telling me the same thing. I hope someone will figure out the problem.
I've been seeing the same thing as well. Good WFMY via OTA and bad WFMY via D*. All other HD LiL via D* is good.

gregchak
02-24-07, 07:04 PM
It has been this way since at least last Saturday. I have been asking about this issue all week, check a few posts back, but so far very little response. Several other friends have been telling me the same thing. I hope someone will figure out the problem.
On my recordings from last week everything looked good; The Unit, NCIS, Jericho. I just started noticing it today.

HDTVFanAtic
02-24-07, 08:21 PM
I can not say if there has been a change on the ABC signal on cable, but I do know we have not changed anything on the broadcast side. I have taken 3 or 4 calls from viewers in the WS area that have had trouble with the ch 530 feed flashing on and off. They all said cable said it was WXLV. I called TWC engineering and it was the first they heard of it. Those guys were very helpful and wanted to talk to one of the viewers that had the problem so I gave them the last guy who called name and number. Since that call (last week) I have not had anymore complaints.


At least you didn't have to deal with this earlier this month

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Donniewb420
02-24-07, 08:33 PM
At least you didn't have to deal with this earlier this month

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uhhh yeah, that looked like it sucked to clean that mess up.

foxeng
02-24-07, 09:56 PM
At least you didn't have to deal with this earlier this month

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5963/aerialfallradiuszr0.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aerialfallradiuszr0.jpg)

Good example of how towers collapse and not fall over. Where was this at?

HDTVFanAtic
02-24-07, 09:59 PM
Good example of how towers collapse and not fall over. Where was this at?


The tornados in Florida friday pre-SuperBowl.

Yellow lines denote the tornado path, as can be seen, and tower was rated under new specs to 150 MPH.


FM Transmitter Row Before and After

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Road Before and After

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Anchors Before and After

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http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1266/orlandoaerial407146042me6.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orlandoaerial407146042me6.jpg)


Oh well, I guess I get to spend even more time with Dean Sargent this year, lol.

foxeng
02-24-07, 10:56 PM
Looks like they had Harris and BE transmitters with Burk ARC16 remote controls and TFT mod monitors. Total loss. So much for EIA-222-G.

You know Dean? I know Dean! My boss has known him for many years before I met him. I suspect he will not remember my name but he would remember my bosses name. I have only met him twice and that was in 1992 and 1993. Dean did a sweep on our old NTSC system about 15 years ago. Shortly after I came to work at the station and before the guy I was replacing retired after 30 years of service, we had a thing where the VSWR on the transmitter would kick out for no reason and my predecessor and my boss couldn't find the problem and Dean came in and swept the whole system. Couldn't find it either. Everything checked out.

About 2 months after my predecessor retired in 1993, I bumped a ladder against the hybrid combiner and the damn VSWR tripped on the transmitter! You could bump the hybrid combiner and it would trip the VSWR every time with an arc! It turned out to be a bad spot in one of the 3 db full power combiners in the hybrid! A replacement fixed the problem. He came back out and reswept the system. Ask Dean if he remembers that the next time you talk to him!

DwntwnWS
02-25-07, 12:49 AM
On my recordings from last week everything looked good; The Unit, NCIS, Jericho. I just started noticing it today.

The problem is not as obvious during the regular shows, not as much motion to deal with, but it was horrible during last weekend's games and the UNC/NCState game this week. The motion artifacts are there during the regular programming. It is very easy to see the difference when you switch between OTA and D*. All of the other locals are working normally.

HDTVFanAtic
02-25-07, 06:45 AM
Ask Dean if he remembers that the next time you talk to him!

Weather Service estimated top winds in cell at 163MPH - of course that was right at this point.

Way too many projects with Dean :) He's the best.

Considering the total loss, backup was at that site and the emergency portable transmitter was lent to another company that was still using it in New Orleans post Katrina (what's the rule about lending equipment :mad: ) I was shocked when they actually got it on the air 10 hours after it went off at 4AM (they didn't know the tower fell until 7AM).

foxeng
02-25-07, 08:25 AM
Considering the total loss, backup was at that site and the emergency portable transmitter was lent to another company that was still using it in New Orleans post Katrina (what's the rule about lending equipment :mad: ) I was shocked when they actually got it on the air 10 hours after it went off at 4AM (they didn't know the tower fell until 7AM).

Not bad recovery time for a total loss.

There isn't any rules on lending equipment. You can own a whole station without a CP. The catch is you can't "install it and operate it" without a CP/license. That is when the FCC has you.

If you have aux equipment licensed, the license will say you can only operate it for limited time periods of emergency and testing of the main system only. With that wording, you could install an aux system and never put it on the air if you never took the main off line so you could move that equipment around to other stations if you wanted to.

HDTVFanAtic
02-25-07, 01:33 PM
Not bad recovery time for a total loss.

There isn't any rules on lending equipment. You can own a whole station without a CP. The catch is you can't "install it and operate it" without a CP/license. That is when the FCC has you.

If you have aux equipment licensed, the license will say you can only operate it for limited time periods of emergency and testing of the main system only. With that wording, you could install an aux system and never put it on the air if you never took the main off line so you could move that equipment around to other stations if you wanted to.

Yep, I know about lending equipment. My point was that the Company had an emergency station in box essentially - broken down to where you could get it on a plane and stored at Delta Cargo in Atlanta so it could be on the way in literally hours - well, except it lent it out in 2005 to a station in New Orleans.

The station in New Orleans still has not returned it - so when the owner needed it and you had made the emergency plans for it, it was not to be had.

Sort of like lending your Black and Decker to a neighbor.

But considering that when the tower fell between 4am and 4:30am, by 1pm they had 3 different transmitters to the market - none of which was in the market at the time the tower fell - including one brand new Harris on a skid (it had been delievered to a station in another market 10 days earlier and not touched since - the Engineer of the other station arranged for a truck to pick it up by 9:30 that morning for transport direct to the other market) - it went on with low power at another site by 2:30pm and was upgraded to higher power later that weekend at that site.

foxeng
02-25-07, 03:30 PM
Post 9/11 FOX has taken steps to be sure their O & O's are covered in case of a major catastrophe.

HDTVFanAtic
02-25-07, 03:48 PM
Post 9/11 FOX has taken steps to be sure their O & O's are covered in case of a major catastrophe.

We thought we had too, lol.

We now have a diesel generator mounted on the back of a flatbed for use in emergencies.

I lent my personal Sat Phone to some "friends" at Clear Channel in the Bullseye of a Hurricane as they could not get news reports out - and you think they ever reimbursed me for my airtime used?

I guess the lesson is don't lend out equipment to comes you don't work with, lol.

ee1993
02-26-07, 08:13 PM
Channel 2 digital (520) and channel 8 digital are both out on TWC. OTA is OK.

They just got both channels back. Off for about 20 min.

ncsustash
02-26-07, 08:17 PM
hopefully it is fixed by the time 24 comes on or I am going to be irritated....

foxeng
02-26-07, 09:12 PM
It is a TWC issue. I am seeing both stations OTA.

DwntwnWS
02-26-07, 09:26 PM
Originally Posted by DwntwnWS
I know that is your theory and there may be some issues with my 103 alignment, but I have not had a single issue with the locals from D* for the 2 months that I have been using the HR20 and this weekend was not the only cold spell we have been through over the last few weeks. CBS is the only local channel exhibiting the horrible reception via D* and it just started on Saturday. Monday night the Network shows were also bad via D*. The other locals are OK. I also see a few others have responded with the same issue. Any insight from our local CBS support folks?






I called the support folks concerned with this. They monitored the signal for over 20 minutes with no symptom noted. I will continue to check for this problem from time to time.Thanks

Rickey.



I just spent an hour on the phone with D* Customer Service. (transferred 3 times, finally to advanced tech support) They had a report of the same problem with CBS in the Charlotte area. The D* engineers had posted it as a system issue, but the notes did not indicate if it was a local or D* issue. I was told our issue would be escalated and their engineers would be contacting the local station in Greensboro. They said our local channels are on Sat 99, but they could not tell me which transponder or if our locals were possibly on multiple transponders.

foxeng
02-27-07, 07:14 AM
On another HD list, the engineer for channel 20, WCWG, The CW posted they hope to be up to full power by either this coming Monday or next Monday.

xmitterengineer
03-01-07, 02:24 PM
I just spent an hour on the phone with D* Customer Service. (transferred 3 times, finally to advanced tech support) They had a report of the same problem with CBS in the Charlotte area. The D* engineers had posted it as a system issue, but the notes did not indicate if it was a local or D* issue. I was told our issue would be escalated and their engineers would be contacting the local station in Greensboro. They said our local channels are on Sat 99, but they could not tell me which transponder or if our locals were possibly on multiple transponders.

Sorry I havn't responded to this problem recently. Others at the station have been in communication their tech people in my absence. I have been away for training.
Steps that have been taken in troubleshoorting this problem include changing from an off air feed to an ASI (direct from the encoder) feed and looking at the signal at various points in the distribution path. The statmux at their headend will be looked at. Their tech says that they can see the problem in monitors on their end.
Numerious phone calls have been made and emails sent by us concerning this.This will continue until the problem is located and solved. I am personaly sorry that this has not resolved sooner. I will continue to persue this until a solution is found.
Thanks for your patience

Rickey.

sbarrier
03-01-07, 02:44 PM
Rickey,

Thanks for the update.

sbarrier
03-01-07, 03:05 PM
Has anyone been experiencing a number of breakups on WGHP (HD) via D*? I've also noticed that there is no sound during the initial portion of the news updates during the commercial breaks.

I've noticed it several times this week while my wife is watching AI.

roland6465
03-01-07, 03:37 PM
Rickey, I thought it was odd that you weren't on top of this D* problem. Glad to know you were just out, not down with the "stomach bug of death" that's been going around.

Thanks for looking into it, it is so great that you, Mr12, foxeng, and (sorry i forgot your handle) the former WB guy are here to collect and put out info. I hope you and D* get this worked out by ACC Tourney, I'm already worried to death that my new living room A/V system won't be installed by next Thursday, and now I've had this PQ issue worry about.....my wife and employee have both about had it with me.

But seriously, thanks.

roland6465
03-01-07, 03:39 PM
sbarrier.....sorry, but since House & Bones aren't on for a few weeks, we've been in movie mode at my house lately.

uncrules
03-01-07, 06:33 PM
Has anyone been experiencing a number of breakups on WGHP (HD) via D*? I've also noticed that there is no sound during the initial portion of the news updates during the commercial breaks.

I've noticed it several times this week while my wife is watching AI.
I noticed it as well but I'm almost 100% certain I was watching OTA when I saw the problem.

DwntwnWS
03-01-07, 08:04 PM
Sorry I havn't responded to this problem recently. Others at the station have been in communication their tech people in my absence. I have been away for training.
Steps that have been taken in troubleshoorting this problem include changing from an off air feed to an ASI (direct from the encoder) feed and looking at the signal at various points in the distribution path. The statmux at their headend will be looked at. Their tech says that they can see the problem in monitors on their end.
Numerious phone calls have been made and emails sent by us concerning this.This will continue until the problem is located and solved. I am personaly sorry that this has not resolved sooner. I will continue to persue this until a solution is found.
Thanks for your patience

Rickey.

Thanks Rickey. I was getting concerned that no one was looking into the issue. I am relieved that wasn't the case. I wasn't confident that contacting D* was going to get the issue resolved quickly and thought we would have a much better chance if you guys initiated the call. In working through the issue, if you get the opportunity, please ask which transponder our locals are being broadcast. It could be helpful troubleshooting issues in the future.

Thanks again.

MilChad
03-01-07, 08:16 PM
My D* installer said our locals come from the 99, not the 103. I think the 103 will be used for the future birds going up soon, but not 100% sure about that. Feel free to correct any misinformation I just posted.

uncrules
03-01-07, 08:19 PM
American Idol not in HD on Fox 8. At the beginning of the show there was a weather warning and I understand that the show has to be in SD mode for that. But once the warning is over the show should go back to HD mode. FWIW, I see the gray side bars and not the black ones.

foxeng
03-01-07, 08:23 PM
AI will not be in HD tonight. We are having some sat issues.

uncrules
03-01-07, 08:50 PM
AI will not be in HD tonight. We are having some sat issues.
Oh, ok. Understandable given tonight's weather.

J. L.
03-01-07, 09:12 PM
AI will not be in HD tonight. We are having some sat issues.A bit worse than that... When the weather alert cuts in, the audio goes away on the digital channel (Both OTA and over TWC) We get complete silence until the weather alert goes away.

So... we had to tune into the old analog channel to get the sound for AI. Guess we did not miss much in HD programming anyway.

Joe L.

foxeng
03-02-07, 07:17 AM
A bit worse than that... When the weather alert cuts in, the audio goes away on the digital channel (Both OTA and over TWC) We get complete silence until the weather alert goes away.

That is an unrelated problem that will get looked at today.

HDTVFanAtic
03-03-07, 02:03 AM
Rickey.

You work for Hearst, right?

I believe someone said on this thread that WXII-DT was not on the mountain with WXII-TV. Hearst appears to have a number of towers in different locations with just analog on them - that will obviously be useless except for some ENG stuff in 23 months.

As you might have figured out, as we have explored options this week, I have a need for a tower that looks like it might fall into this category that Hearst owns (not in NC).

Is that handled at the local level at Hearst or should I call David Barrett?

FoxENG - tried mentioning you to Dean but without a name (and by his own admission) as he reaches close to 80, his memory isn't the best.

That said, he had to be on a plane Friday morning at 8am so he could go take his AutoCAD course so he could graduate, lol. He thinks he just might have to figure out how to use a computer one day.....

foxeng
03-03-07, 07:47 AM
xmitterengineer works for Gannett (WFMY) and mr12 works for Hearst (WXII). Unless something has happened in the last week, both analog and digital sites for Hearst's, WXII are still on Sauratown Mt north of Winston-Salem.

As a matter of fact the only TV on the mountain is WXII-TV, WXII-DT, WUNL-TV, WUNL-DT and WXLV-TV. Everyone else is south of Greensboro along US 220 south from I-85 to north of Asheboro except TCT's WLXI-TV at Kernersville and PAX's WGPX-TV and WGPX-DT at Reidsville.

gregchak
03-03-07, 08:39 AM
I was looking for “Sunrise Earth” this morning and punched in channel 77 rather than 76. Guess what I found?! The channel banner had the National Geographic logo in it. The guide just showed “Upcoming…” stuff as far as my guide went out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully a sign of things to come! Only 149 more channels to go :)

foxeng
03-03-07, 10:05 AM
I am showing Upcoming: In the Womb: Multiples, Part 1 3/6 2:30am. Maybe that is when they plan on turning it on. It will be interesting to see if comes up in MPEG2 or MPEG4.

uncrules
03-03-07, 12:19 PM
I suspect MPEG2 because I've seen at dbstalk and on this site that there are H10-250 users who are seeing the channel as well. Also, from looking at dbstalk some people briefly saw SNY-HD and YES-HD as full time HD channels that were available nationwide. There are also some other RSNs showing up twice in the channel guide. I don't know if these are MPEG2 or MPEG4.

HDTVFanAtic
03-03-07, 01:35 PM
xmitterengineer works for Gannett (WFMY) and mr12 works for Hearst (WXII). Unless something has happened in the last week, both analog and digital sites for Hearst's, WXII are still on Sauratown Mt north of Winston-Salem.

As a matter of fact the only TV on the mountain is WXII-TV, WXII-DT, WUNL-TV, WUNL-DT and WXLV-TV. Everyone else is south of Greensboro along US 220 south from I-85 to north of Asheboro except TCT's WLXI-TV at Kernersville and PAX's WGPX-TV and WGPX-DT at Reidsville.

OK, my mistake on who was where.

However, I thought we had this discussion about how Saurtown used to be the end all for TV signals when it was 6 counties.....and now that is not the case. I thought I remembered you saying that WXII-DT was coming off and moving South which spurred the conversation. :confused:

foxeng
03-03-07, 02:29 PM
OK, my mistake on who was where.

However, I thought we had this discussion about how Saurtown used to be the end all for TV signals when it was 6 counties.....and now that is not the case. I thought I remembered you saying that WXII-DT was coming off and moving South which spurred the conversation. :confused:

Sinclair's WXLV-TV wanted to come off the mountain but never could get FCC approval and with the shutodwn so close decided to not keep trying. WXLV-DT is not on the mountain but south of Greensboro on US 220 south. There are only two stations in the market that have split sites. WXLV-TV on Sauratown Mt, WXLV-DT at Level Cross and WLXI-TV at Kernersville and WLXI-DT at Level Cross. Everyone else is co located.

Here is a quick list of where everyone is:

WFMY-TV/WFMY-DT Level Cross (tower owner - Gannett)
WCWG-TV/WCWG-DT/WMYV-TV/WMYV-DT/WXLV-DT/WLXI-DT Level Cross (tower owner - American Tower)
WGHP-(TV)/WGHP-DT Randleman (tower owner - FTS, Inc)
WXII-TV/WXII-DT Sauratown Mt (tower owner - Hearst-Argyle)
WXLV-TV Sauratown Mt (tower owner - Sinclair)
WUNL-TV/WUNL-DT Sauratown Mt (tower owner - State of North Carolina)
WLXI-TV Kernersville (tower owner - TCT)
WGPX-(TV)/WGPX-DT Reidsville (tower owner - PAX)

ee1993
03-03-07, 03:30 PM
Don't forget to have a look at the total luner eclipse tonight. The moon will be hard to find at first as it will rise in full eclipse. Just look east after sunset.

"The eclipse will be underway by the time the moon rises. The full eclipse ends at 6:57 p.m. EST. After that, the moon will slowly shed its reddish cloak and turn sparklingly bright — provided there are no Earthly clouds in the way to block the view."

roland6465
03-03-07, 10:23 PM
We caught it on our way to dinner tonight at about 1/2 waning. Pretty cool.

On topic: I noticed as I flipped by WFMY on D* this afternoon that there still seems to be a pixelated film over the picture...looks like I'll be playing in the attic with the Silver Sensor this coming week for ACC.

xmitterengineer
03-04-07, 12:47 PM
We caught it on our way to dinner tonight at about 1/2 waning. Pretty cool.

On topic: I noticed as I flipped by WFMY on D* this afternoon that there still seems to be a pixelated film over the picture...looks like I'll be playing in the attic with the Silver Sensor this coming week for ACC.


Thanks for the report sir. More phone calls tomorrow, maybe today if their tech center is open. Sorry this is taking so long. The answers I have obtained from them so far have been very nonspecific.:( So far they haven't even postulated as to wheither the problem is on our end or theirs. I suppose there could be a problem with the fiber link and that would be a third area of possible suspicion. I have analyzed our signal as much as possible and can find nothing wrong. There have been no changes to our settings or firmware with the encoder... We almost never make changes to a normally working system during ratings.

Rickey.

roland6465
03-04-07, 05:44 PM
Keep at it, Rickey....I can't see how it's on your end, I hear the pic is fine OTA. I'm picking up a cheap-o antenna tomorrow to see for myself. Good luck!

atoner
03-04-07, 07:29 PM
Is anyone else in the area having intermittent slow/no connectivity problems over TWC cable to some servers? I've been having slowness or no reply from several servers for almost a week now. I have Earthlink through TWC. I haven't bothered to call yet because I'm sure it will be painful.

Some web sites are pretty good, like www.cnn.com and www.espn.com.
Some are intermittently bad, either getting nothing or very slow loads: www.circuitcity.com, babycenter, google, avsforum, honda, toyota, edmunds, kbb, and a VPN connection to my work network

One common link seems to be level3.net. Of the ones I've checked, traceroutes to the bad sites include level3 routers, but the problem seems broader than just one bad link. Also the various internet health reports don't show any problems with level3.

Today, I couldn't get anything from circuitcity for at least 30 minutes. At the same time I couldn't get to my work computer over VPN and remote desktop. But when I finally did get through to my work computer, I could load circuitcity just fine using IE on that computer. The traceroutes from that computer go through sprintlink and ntt. From my computer the route goes through rr then level3 then ntt. The route also seems to shift from time to time. I was able to briefly get the web page from circuitcity to load, and at that time the route was going through atdn instead of level3. However, I tried again later when the tracert showed atdn and savvis instead of level3, and I still couldn't get the web page to load.

When I check traceroutes to servers that go through level3 routers, I often see latency in the 150-250 ms range for level3 hops instead of the usual 10-100 ms.

This happens on two computers through my Linksys wireless router and TWC's RCA modem. I've reset the cable modem and router several times. I also connected one computer directly to the modem and still have the problem. Since the problem occurs with numerous configurations on my end and seems dependant on the route, I'm thinking the problem isn't on my side. But if there was a big problem at level3 or with rr, I'd expect others in the area to see the same issues.

Is there any way to release a DHCP lease and renew with a new IP address rather than the one I usually get?

I've already gone through most of the debugging and standard checks on my end, so I'm really not looking forward to calling tech support. An online chat with Earthlink was useless.

Thanks for the help.

HDTVFanAtic
03-04-07, 08:13 PM
I know that in many places RR has 2 different backbones - and I had something similar in another market last year where everything going out through a level 3 backbone was dying. If they have 2 different backbones in that area, that could be the case.

Usually to pull a different ip you would open a command prompt and type

ipconfig /release

followed by

ipconfig /renew

however, as the last IP is stored in the registry, often I have had to release it, go into the registry and remove it manually (which depending on your knowledge of Microsoft Windows can lead to issues), reboot and pull a new IP at that point.

I have also seen systems that will give you the same IP for around a month no matter what you do.

I have no knowledge of which type of system the local RR in the Triad uses. I can state that my brother in Greensboro has a wireless router connected to the cable modem - and his IP has been the same since at least January 3rd (60 days). Obviously, the router or cable modem have not rebooted to pull a new IP - but it is a little strange for a dynamic IP to be held for that long, so god only knows what the local RR people are doing as residential IPs are usually forced to change every few weeks.

EDIT: Upon further checking, its been the same since December 23rd.

atoner
03-04-07, 08:20 PM
Thanks for the info on the 2 backbones.

Does anyone else have Earthlink over TWC cable? I really screwed myself on that one and should have gone with RoadRunner. For problems like this, Earthlink is useless and sends me to Time Warner. RR won't talk to be because I'm an Earthlink customer, despite the problem being with the RR network that Earthlink pays them for.

I usually just wait for these problems to sort themselves out and am quite surprised it hasn't been fixed yet. It'll be really fun to talk with front line support about a backbone problem.

HDTVFanAtic
03-04-07, 08:31 PM
Thanks for the info on the 2 backbones.

Does anyone else have Earthlink over TWC cable? I really screwed myself on that one and should have gone with RoadRunner. For problems like this, Earthlink is useless and sends me to Time Warner. RR won't talk to be because I'm an Earthlink customer, despite the problem being with the RR network that Earthlink pays them for.

I usually just wait for these problems to sort themselves out and am quite surprised it hasn't been fixed yet. It'll be really fun to talk with front line support about a backbone problem.

If RR is handing you off to Earthlink, god only knows where the issue is.

PamW
03-04-07, 08:40 PM
I have been monitoring my signal the past few days and it goes from very strong to sporadic to not on at all. I have RR. Former Earthlink/Mindspring customer - got screwed over about a year ago when we tried their VOIP. To make a long (and tedious story short), changed to RR and haven't missed a thing! Plus, RR is a little faster and the price actually went down on my cable bill!

gregchak
03-04-07, 08:50 PM
Thanks for the info on the 2 backbones.

Does anyone else have Earthlink over TWC cable? I really screwed myself on that one and should have gone with RoadRunner. For problems like this, Earthlink is useless and sends me to Time Warner. RR won't talk to be because I'm an Earthlink customer, despite the problem being with the RR network that Earthlink pays them for.

I usually just wait for these problems to sort themselves out and am quite surprised it hasn't been fixed yet. It'll be really fun to talk with front line support about a backbone problem.
I have internet via TWC/Earthlink. No problems on my end. I tried all of the sites you mentioned and they all came up quick. No slowness here. I'm off of North Church Street near Lake Jeannette.

I feel your pain about calling TWC about the problem. Common rule of thumb as I have experienced, if you have the knowledge that it sounds like you do, DON'T tell TWC your cable light is on. That's usually the first question, and they will immediately transfer you to Earthlink which of course is of no use since its a line problem. I had a similar issue back in summer 2004. They had some major line issues but apparently I was the only one in my area that put up a big enough of a fuss. For one fix they had to take down NE Greensboro. I thought the CSR was just blowing smoke up my you know what, but on the day they said they were going to do it, a friend of mine was home with his sick kid and said that his cable/internet was down for about 15 minutes in the middle of the afternoon.

Unfortunately that didn't solve my problem. I ended up calling on a Sunday morning to caomplain (again) and the CSR mistakenly forwarded me to (from what the guy said) VP of field operations for the Triad. I explained that my problem had been going on for 4 months now and he guaranteed that it would be fixed by Tuesday. To his word it was.

I had switched from TWC cable and RR a year prior to D* and Earthlink. To my dismay the internet was still in TWC's domain. I guess there's only so far you can run from the beast!

Good luck and PM me if you want me to check anything from my end to help you troubleshoot.

atoner
03-04-07, 09:16 PM
Thanks for the feedback on my cable internet problems. I'm in Kernersville, so I'm wondering if anything is going on with Winston-Salem. I saw something a few posts back about switching the head end.

www.circuitcity.com has been consistently bad all afternoon, which is crap because I'm looking for a camera and GPS. For someone who can access that web site quickly, can you post your tracert results? The following is the worst I've seen all night:
"
C:\Documents and Settings\atoner>tracert www.circuitcity.com

Tracing route to a2047.g.akamai.net [216.246.87.26]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 9 ms 13 ms 9 ms 10.97.96.1
3 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms gig0-3.gnbonckrn-ubr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.228.21
3]
4 8 ms 9 ms 12 ms gig2-2.gnbonckrn-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.228.20
1]
5 124 ms 46 ms 269 ms srp10-0.gnboncsg-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.224.22
5]
6 11 ms 9 ms 12 ms srp2-0.gnboncsg-rtr4.triad.rr.com [24.28.226.212
]
7 12 ms 26 ms 13 ms son2-0-3.chrlncsa-rtr6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.6
4.49]
8 12 ms 14 ms 21 ms pop1-cha-P2-0.atdn.net [66.185.138.77]
9 14 ms 12 ms 11 ms bb1-cha-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.138.64]
10 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms bb1-atm-P6-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.182]
11 24 ms 18 ms 20 ms pop1-atm-P1-0.atdn.net [66.185.147.193]
12 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms savvis.atdn.net [66.185.150.14]
13 96 ms 20 ms 18 ms dcr1-so-4-3-0.Atlanta.savvis.net [208.172.75.109
]
14 18 ms 29 ms 30 ms bcs1-so-2-0-0.Washington.savvis.net [204.70.192.
54]
15 111 ms 48 ms 47 ms dcr1-so-0-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [204.70.192.26]

16 150 ms 53 ms 48 ms dcr1-so-0-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [204.70.192.26]

17 51 ms 49 ms 52 ms ber2-pos-1-0-0.Chicago.savvis.net [208.175.10.98
]
18 92 ms 50 ms 57 ms ber2-vlan-242.chicagoequinix.savvis.net [204.70.
196.26]
19 154 ms 140 ms 50 ms 208.173.176.218
20 151 ms 134 ms 135 ms unknown.scnet.net [216.246.36.142]
21 178 ms 112 ms 176 ms unknown.scnet.net [216.246.36.129]
22 175 ms 115 ms 155 ms 216.246.87.26

Trace complete.
"

uncrules
03-04-07, 09:27 PM
Keep at it, Rickey....I can't see how it's on your end, I hear the pic is fine OTA. I'm picking up a cheap-o antenna tomorrow to see for myself. Good luck!
Yes, the OTA picture is great.

gregchak
03-04-07, 10:50 PM
Thanks for the feedback on my cable internet problems. I'm in Kernersville, so I'm wondering if anything is going on with Winston-Salem. I saw something a few posts back about switching the head end.

www.circuitcity.com has been consistently bad all afternoon, which is crap because I'm looking for a camera and GPS. For someone who can access that web site quickly, can you post your tracert results? The following is the worst I've seen all night:"
Here's a couple. I did it twice because I got a different IP than you. Lots of things in their setup can cause that. Although the 2 I got were in the same subnet. Yours was a completely different IP.

Tracing route to a2047.g.akamai.net [65.59.242.25]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.254
2 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 10.96.0.1
3 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms gig2-2.gnboncn150-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.229.153]
4 9 ms 8 ms 7 ms srp12-0.gnboncsg-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.224.171]
5 11 ms 9 ms 10 ms srp2-0.gnboncsg-rtr4.triad.rr.com [24.28.226.212]
6 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms son2-0-3.chrlncsa-rtr6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64.49]
7 18 ms 16 ms 17 ms te-1-4.car1.charlotte1.level3.net [4.71.124.5]
8 25 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-4-4.ebr1.atlanta2.level3.net [4.69.132.162]
9 54 ms 54 ms 52 ms ae-5-5.car2.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.237]
10 55 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-11-11.car1.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.233]
11 54 ms 55 ms 55 ms 65.59.242.25

Trace complete.

Tracing route to a2047.g.akamai.net [65.59.242.75]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.254
2 8 ms 6 ms 8 ms 10.96.0.1
3 7 ms 5 ms 5 ms gig2-2.gnboncn150-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.229.153]
4 10 ms 12 ms 9 ms srp12-0.gnboncsg-rtr2.triad.rr.com [24.28.224.172]
5 8 ms 9 ms 9 ms srp2-0.gnboncsg-rtr3.triad.rr.com [24.28.226.211]
6 13 ms 11 ms 11 ms son0-0-2.rlghncrdc-rtr3.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.45]
7 21 ms 19 ms 20 ms te-1-3.car1.raleigh1.level3.net [4.71.160.5]
8 17 ms 18 ms 19 ms ae-2-2.car2.charlotte1.level3.net [4.69.132.169]
9 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms ae-11-11.car1.charlotte1.level3.net [4.69.132.165]
10 20 ms 20 ms 17 ms ae-4-4.ebr1.atlanta2.level3.net [4.69.132.162]
11 56 ms 56 ms 55 ms ae-5-5.car2.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.237]
12 55 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-11-11.car1.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.233]
13 55 ms 56 ms 55 ms 65.59.242.75

Trace complete.

HDTVFanAtic
03-05-07, 12:05 AM
akamai.net is a major server/bandwidth supplier.

They were the ones that can pretty much guarantee you to stream video when you need it-using different backbones (probably all of them, truth be known). They were the ones that did the Victoria Fashion Show live on the web the first time that had some ungodly amount of traffic on it - and the guy behind akamai was in WTC on 9/11 and died :(

Akamai.net clearly uses a roundrobin approach and be dependent on the backbone you were using on your end, thus I am not surprised you got different results depending on the provider once RR switches uses its backbone on Level 3 to route or hands you off to Earthlink to route.

As RR seems to be handing off to level3.net for their traffic and earthlink is using atdn.com which is why you are taking different routes to the same place.

HDTVFanAtic
03-05-07, 12:14 AM
Tracing route to a2047.g.akamai.net [65.59.242.25]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.254
2 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 10.96.0.1
3 6 ms 7 ms 7 ms gig2-2.gnboncn150-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.229.153]
4 9 ms 8 ms 7 ms srp12-0.gnboncsg-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.224.171]
5 11 ms 9 ms 10 ms srp2-0.gnboncsg-rtr4.triad.rr.com [24.28.226.212]
6 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms son2-0-3.chrlncsa-rtr6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.64.49]



Tracing route to a2047.g.akamai.net [216.246.87.26]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 9 ms 13 ms 9 ms 10.97.96.1
3 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms gig0-3.gnbonckrn-ubr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.228.21
3]
4 8 ms 9 ms 12 ms gig2-2.gnbonckrn-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.228.20
1]
5 124 ms 46 ms 269 ms srp10-0.gnboncsg-rtr1.triad.rr.com [24.28.224.22
5]
6 11 ms 9 ms 12 ms srp2-0.gnboncsg-rtr4.triad.rr.com [24.28.226.212
]
7 12 ms 26 ms 13 ms son2-0-3.chrlncsa-rtr6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.6
4.49]



That is the hub where the determination is made if you are a RR Customer or a Earthlink Customer.

RR is routed to level 3 backbone and Earthlink is routed to ATDN backbone for the crosscountry trip.




7 18 ms 16 ms 17 ms te-1-4.car1.charlotte1.level3.net [4.71.124.5]
8 25 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-4-4.ebr1.atlanta2.level3.net [4.69.132.162]
9 54 ms 54 ms 52 ms ae-5-5.car2.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.237]
10 55 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-11-11.car1.houston1.level3.net [4.69.132.233]
11 54 ms 55 ms 55 ms 65.59.242.25





8 12 ms 14 ms 21 ms pop1-cha-P2-0.atdn.net [66.185.138.77]
9 14 ms 12 ms 11 ms bb1-cha-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.138.64]
10 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms bb1-atm-P6-0.atdn.net [66.185.152.182]
11 24 ms 18 ms 20 ms pop1-atm-P1-0.atdn.net [66.185.147.193]
12 18 ms 19 ms 19 ms savvis.atdn.net [66.185.150.14]
13 96 ms 20 ms 18 ms dcr1-so-4-3-0.Atlanta.savvis.net [208.172.75.109
]
14 18 ms 29 ms 30 ms bcs1-so-2-0-0.Washington.savvis.net [204.70.192.
54]
15 111 ms 48 ms 47 ms dcr1-so-0-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [204.70.192.26]

16 150 ms 53 ms 48 ms dcr1-so-0-3-0.Chicago.savvis.net [204.70.192.26]

17 51 ms 49 ms 52 ms ber2-pos-1-0-0.Chicago.savvis.net [208.175.10.98
]
18 92 ms 50 ms 57 ms ber2-vlan-242.chicagoequinix.savvis.net [204.70.
196.26]
19 154 ms 140 ms 50 ms 208.173.176.218
20 151 ms 134 ms 135 ms unknown.scnet.net [216.246.36.142]
21 178 ms 112 ms 176 ms unknown.scnet.net [216.246.36.129]
22 175 ms 115 ms 155 ms 216.246.87.26



You both end up at the same place - even though its a different IP - its part of akamai's network.

Donniewb420
03-05-07, 06:41 AM
reply from Ms. Witmer

Mr. Bennett,

I appreciate your thoughtful inquiry. We are working hard to expand our high definition lineup and with most of our divisions rolling out switched digital broadcast over this next year capacity for adding those channels will not be a significant hurdle. We are working on adding the following services, among others, ESPN2 HD, Versus/Golf HD, NatGeo HD, Lifetime HD, HGTV/Food HD and several VOD HD offerings. Keep a lookout for increased VOD HD, particularly in our movie offering. We have been very focused on bringing quality rather than quantity and also bringing our customers a true HD offering. While much content on networks is being upconverted and is not all native high definition, we are concerned about some of the false claims being made in the marketplace about greater capacity and claiming channels are 'high definiton" when they are simply "line doubled" or "stretched" to fit the screen.

TWC is committed to bringing our customers a quality high definition lineup and it is a priority of our company to get the deals done to bring the content to our customers. Unfortunately, there are many factors that can slow us down - licensing agreements that get caught up in larger deals (ESPN2HD has been held up for 2 years in a larger Disney deal) and capacity in certain systems that require upgrading or switched digital to make the best offering. We are working on getting the deals done and are grateful for the patience of our loyal customers. As each of our local divisions are affected by lineup changes somewhat differrently and because we normally reach out for customer service on a local basis to most effectively address customer concerns, I would urge anyone with a particular question to contact their local TWC office. We know this is important and we are working to bring the content to you and our other customers that are looking for it. We appreciate your taking the time to reach out.

I expect to see the next 12 months bring significantly more HD content to our lineup.

Best regards,

Melinda Witmer

jabajet
03-05-07, 07:28 AM
Am I the only one that has lost HDNT & HDNTM TWC (560 & 562)???

edit - I mean 562 & 563... :confused:

atoner
03-05-07, 07:30 AM
That is the hub where the determination is made if you are a RR Customer or a Earthlink Customer.

RR is routed to level 3 backbone and Earthlink is routed to ATDN backbone for the crosscountry trip.

You both end up at the same place - even though its a different IP - its part of akamai's network.

Great. This should be fun to fix. If the problem is at a point where traffic splits between RR and Earthlink customers then I'm going to be in for fun. I might as well just cancel Earthlink and spend my time switching e-mail addresses.

I still can't load circuitcity, and avsforum was slow this morning. Both ended up going through atdn without level3.

7 12 ms 16 ms 22 ms son4-1-3.rlghncrdc-rtr3.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.73]
8 20 ms 18 ms 20 ms pop1-rdu-P3-2.atdn.net [66.185.134.157]

7 17 ms 11 ms 14 ms son0-0-2.rlghncrdc-rtr3.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.45]
8 21 ms 23 ms 20 ms pop1-rdu-P3-1.atdn.net [66.185.134.153]

Donniewb420
03-05-07, 07:44 AM
Am I the only one that has lost HDNT & HDNTM TWC (560 & 562)???

I am in Winson Salem,NC I havent lost either of those channels, i lost Inhd2 around the same time as the rest of us.

atoner
03-05-07, 08:21 AM
Great. This should be fun to fix. If the problem is at a point where traffic splits between RR and Earthlink customers then I'm going to be in for fun. I might as well just cancel Earthlink and spend my time switching e-mail addresses.


I just spent 45 minutes on the phone and got nowhere. I finally got to TWC's tier 3 tech support after bouncing back and forth between TWC and EL. At least this guy knew what a router and a backbone are. However, he said that if the problem was ocurring after the first 3 hops there isn't anything they can do. I pushed him to report a problem with the rr network and interface to the backbones, but he had no mechanism to report such problems. He said that somebody should already know about the problem and be trying to fix it.

6 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms son0-0-2.rlghncrdc-rtr3.nc.rr.com [24.93.64.45]
7 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms pop1-rdu-P3-0.atdn.net [66.185.134.149]
8 210 ms 199 ms 81 ms bb2-rdu-P0-0.atdn.net [66.185.134.146]

DaveWolf
03-05-07, 03:06 PM
Rickey,

Is everything set for WFMY to handle the Raycom broadcasts of the ACC Tourney starting Thursday? Of course my luck, the Wolfpack will be playing in the one game of the entire tourney not picked up by Raycom. So we get to watch NCSU-Duke on lovely SD with ESPN2!

Donniewb420
03-05-07, 03:19 PM
Rickey,

Is everything set for WFMY to handle the Raycom broadcasts of the ACC Tourney starting Thursday? Of course my luck, the Wolfpack will be playing in the one game of the entire tourney not picked up by Raycom. So we get to watch NCSU-Duke on lovely SD with ESPN2!

or with your luck your starting center will catch an elbow like hansborough ;)

xmitterengineer
03-05-07, 03:23 PM
Rickey,

Is everything set for WFMY to handle the Raycom broadcasts of the ACC Tourney starting Thursday? Of course my luck, the Wolfpack will be playing in the one game of the entire tourney not picked up by Raycom. So we get to watch NCSU-Duke on lovely SD with ESPN2!



Yes, Thanks for the intrest!



Rickey.

roland6465
03-05-07, 03:26 PM
or with your luck your starting center will catch an elbow like hansborough ;)


It was a perfect game for us Wolfpack fans......A tarheel bled and a Dookie got suspended!

uncrules
03-05-07, 04:09 PM
It was a perfect game for us Wolfpack fans......A tarheel bled and a Dookie got suspended!
It doesn't happen that often but I'll be pulling for State Thursday. I'll always pull for the Wolfpack over dook*. Of course I'll pull for anybody against dook*.

Bronco70
03-05-07, 07:24 PM
It was a perfect game for us Wolfpack fans......A tarheel bled and a Dookie got suspended!

March, the best month of the year.

So what does everyone think? Was Henderson's hit intentional? I looked at both angles frame by frame. A tough call but I think the zebras got it right.

Donniewb420
03-05-07, 08:45 PM
March, the best month of the year.

So what does everyone think? Was Henderson's hit intentional? I looked at both angles frame by frame. A tough call but I think the zebras got it right.

it wasnt intentional

djrcelicagt41
03-05-07, 09:59 PM
it wasnt intentional

I don't think that it was intentional either.

uncrph90
03-05-07, 11:53 PM
March, the best month of the year.

So what does everyone think? Was Henderson's hit intentional? I looked at both angles frame by frame. A tough call but I think the zebras got it right.


I think Henderson meant to intentionally HARD foul him, but perhaps not deliberately into the face. He got more than he bargained for. Of course, my bias is showing! But you don't need to be throwing your arm/elbow to your right if the ball is going to your left.

roland6465
03-06-07, 04:56 AM
He meant to foul hard, to keep the Travelling WOnder from getting an easy 2 off the rebound, but came in too high & too late and got schnozz.

uncrules
03-06-07, 08:24 AM
I'll keep my feelings on the foul to myself so as not to start a flame war.

MilChad
03-06-07, 09:06 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm looking forward to National Geographic in HD on D* channel 77. (Yeah, I'm trying to change the subject).

Donniewb420
03-06-07, 09:33 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I'm looking forward to National Geographic in HD on D* channel 77. (Yeah, I'm trying to change the subject).


Yea I would love that channel, hopefully it comes to TWC in the near future. I never used to watch discovery channel until I had it in HD, now I find myself watching Sunrise Earth... my wife walks in and wonders why the hell I am watching it.

MR12
03-06-07, 07:26 PM
Well everyone....I hate to have to tell you this but I no longer work for WXII. I interviewed for and accepted another position locally in the broadcast field, and I will no longer be able to pass along insider information from the station. If I hear anything through my contacts there I'll be sure to post it here. Hopefully another XIIer will step up and give everyone here the information we look for. I look forward to continuing to post here as an avid HD fan, but I'll be looking in from the outside like everyone else.

uncrules
03-06-07, 08:34 PM
Well everyone....I hate to have to tell you this but I no longer work for WXII. I interviewed for and accepted another position locally in the broadcast field, and I will no longer be able to pass along insider information from the station. If I hear anything through my contacts there I'll be sure to post it here. Hopefully another XIIer will step up and give everyone here the information we look for. I look forward to continuing to post here as an avid HD fan, but I'll be looking in from the outside like everyone else.
Don't worry about us AVSers. We'll get by. You have to do what's best for you. Good luck in your new job. :)

HDTVFanAtic
03-06-07, 08:44 PM
Well everyone....I hate to have to tell you this but I no longer work for WXII. I interviewed for and accepted another position locally in the broadcast field, and I will no longer be able to pass along insider information from the station.

Lets see, you just quit - bet it would be REAL hard for them to figure out who you were if you were planning to keep your identity secret :D

foxeng
03-06-07, 08:45 PM
Well everyone....I hate to have to tell you this but I no longer work for WXII. I interviewed for and accepted another position locally in the broadcast field, and I will no longer be able to pass along insider information from the station. If I hear anything through my contacts there I'll be sure to post it here. Hopefully another XIIer will step up and give everyone here the information we look for. I look forward to continuing to post here as an avid HD fan, but I'll be looking in from the outside like everyone else.

Good luck in your post station endeavors!

MR12
03-07-07, 01:05 PM
Lets see, you just quit - bet it would be REAL hard for them to figure out who you were if you were planning to keep your identity secret :D

No need to keep my identity secret since I wasn't passing along any sensitive information. I never posted on here anything I wouldn't tell a viewer who called me on the phone with questions.

Donniewb420
03-07-07, 02:10 PM
No need to keep my identity secret since I wasn't passing along any sensitive information. I never posted on here anything I wouldn't tell a viewer who called me on the phone with questions.


suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you wouldnt ;)

foxeng
03-07-07, 02:23 PM
What some people in the public think are top secret things, other stations already know! To be honest, nothing I have seen here from any of the other stations would qualify as "state secrets." Everyone is pretty careful, me included.

xmitterengineer
03-07-07, 04:27 PM
I just spent an hour on the phone with D* Customer Service. (transferred 3 times, finally to advanced tech support) They had a report of the same problem with CBS in the Charlotte area. The D* engineers had posted it as a system issue, but the notes did not indicate if it was a local or D* issue. I was told our issue would be escalated and their engineers would be contacting the local station in Greensboro. They said our local channels are on Sat 99, but they could not tell me which transponder or if our locals were possibly on multiple transponders.


I just had a conversation with their tech person. He says that the problem is fixed.

Observations from the field will be apreciated. Thanks!

Rickey.

xmitterengineer
03-07-07, 04:29 PM
May good luck and fortune follow you MR12.


Rickey.

roland6465
03-07-07, 04:45 PM
^ I'll be sure to check as soon as I settle in for the evening, Rickey.....great timing, as I forgot to pick up an antenna today and would have had to sacrifice some of the noon game to pick one up.

DwntwnWS
03-07-07, 08:26 PM
I just had a conversation with their tech person. He says that the problem is fixed.

Observations from the field will be apreciated. Thanks!

Rickey.

Thank you for the update, unfortunately it is Not fixed. The pixelization is still very noticeable at times, especially across the top couple of inches of the screen. Sometimes other wider bands of pixelization appear in the lower middle of the screen and then sometimes the entire screen is affected. (and not just during fast motion or extremely bright scenes)

Thanks again for following up with them. Hopefully the weather/wind will cooperate for the next few days and the OTA reception will be stable.

HDTVFanAtic
03-08-07, 05:14 AM
Thank you for the update, unfortunately it is Not fixed. The pixelization is still very noticeable at times, especially across the top couple of inches of the screen. Sometimes other wider bands of pixelization appear in the lower middle of the screen and then sometimes the entire screen is affected. (and not just during fast motion or extremely bright scenes)

Thanks again for following up with them. Hopefully the weather/wind will cooperate for the next few days and the OTA reception will be stable.

Does it look like this: http://www.tbo.com/video/xml/MGBN6UPBZRE.html

They have done follow ups on this since September - and got flooded when they asked if others had this problem.

Still hasn't been fixed.


And of course, they only have the issue on 1280x1080 channels - not 1280x720 channels - which explains why they aren't pushing resolutions higher.

xmitterengineer
03-08-07, 07:33 AM
More phone calls to you know who today. They now have my voice recognized or is it the caller ID? Hmmmm. This is frustrating. Thanks for everyones patience in this matter. I have reported this to CBS also. Trying to get larger fish involved. Stay tuned.

Rickey.

roland6465
03-08-07, 01:44 PM
Bad news, Rickey. Bad news. THanks for being so persistant, though.

I got a Silver Sensor hooked up to the 88" FP system, and the OTA is as good as 1080i converted to my projector's native 720p can look blown up that big. I am actually VERY impressed with Raycom's presentation so far.

I have a cheap-o Philips amped rabbit ears hooked up to the 37" LCD, and it is better due to the smaller screen.

The MPEG4 from D*, however, is completely unwatchable on the projector, and very very bad on the LCD.

I haven't hooked up the antenna to the 42" plasma yet, as there is no furniture in the living room right now and I'm only 12o hours into the break-in.

Good luck, Rickey....crack some skulls.

HDTVFanAtic
03-08-07, 01:47 PM
I have reported this to CBS also. Trying to get larger fish involved. Stay tuned.

Rickey.

I can assure you that Bob Ross, Bob Siedel and Greg Coppa are all aware of the issues with D*. You might want to start there.

roland6465
03-08-07, 01:49 PM
Well, as soon as I hit "enter", OTA went away, and is now back in 4:3 with WFMY's gray bars.....hopefully that means some sort of magical reboot is taking place. Either that, or Raycom strikes again with their suck stick.

xmitterengineer
03-08-07, 02:16 PM
Well, as soon as I hit "enter", OTA went away, and is now back in 4:3 with WFMY's gray bars.....hopefully that means some sort of magical reboot is taking place. Either that, or Raycom strikes again with their suck stick.


I believe this was a "sun outage",caused a lot of excitement here for sure. It should be OK now. Thanks for watching.

Rickey

roland6465
03-08-07, 02:21 PM
^ Yeah, better now. Give 'em Hell at DirecTV for me....thanks

HDTVFanAtic
03-08-07, 05:28 PM
I believe this was a "sun outage",caused a lot of excitement here for sure. It should be OK now. Thanks for watching.

Rickey

What size dish are you using?

Assuming its a 3.8M at 36.05N and 79.45W


Predicted Outage | Start | End | Duration | Start | End
Date | UTC | UTC | | EST | EST
mm/dd/yyyy |hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss
-----------------|----------|----------|----------|----------|------------
03/04/2007 | 18:46:17 | 18:52:22 | 06:05 | 13:46:17 | 13:52:22
03/05/2007 | 18:45:17 | 18:52:52 | 07:35 | 13:45:17 | 13:52:52
03/06/2007 | 18:45:02 | 18:52:42 | 07:40 | 13:45:02 | 13:52:42
03/07/2007 | 18:45:22 | 18:51:52 | 06:30 | 13:45:22 | 13:51:52
03/08/2007 | 18:47:15 | 18:49:35 | 02:20 | 13:47:15 | 13:49:35

xmitterengineer
03-08-07, 06:58 PM
What size dish are you using?

Assuming its a 3.8M at 36.05N and 79.45W


Predicted Outage | Start | End | Duration | Start | End
Date | UTC | UTC | | EST | EST
mm/dd/yyyy |hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss
-----------------|----------|----------|----------|----------|------------
03/04/2007 | 18:46:17 | 18:52:22 | 06:05 | 13:46:17 | 13:52:22
03/05/2007 | 18:45:17 | 18:52:52 | 07:35 | 13:45:17 | 13:52:52
03/06/2007 | 18:45:02 | 18:52:42 | 07:40 | 13:45:02 | 13:52:42
03/07/2007 | 18:45:22 | 18:51:52 | 06:30 | 13:45:22 | 13:51:52
03/08/2007 | 18:47:15 | 18:49:35 | 02:20 | 13:47:15 | 13:49:35



I believe its in the neighborhood of 6.5 meters. Pointed at IA6.

Rickey.

DwntwnWS
03-08-07, 07:50 PM
More phone calls to you know who today. They now have my voice recognized or is it the caller ID? Hmmmm. This is frustrating. Thanks for everyones patience in this matter. I have reported this to CBS also. Trying to get larger fish involved. Stay tuned.

Rickey.

Any updates today? I will wait until after the games start tonight before passing final judgement, but the picture seems to be much improved. I don't see the constant movement/pixelization across the top of the screen so far tonight. I hope it holds up during the fast movement of the game. (fingers-crossed)

HDTVFanAtic
03-08-07, 08:29 PM
I believe its in the neighborhood of 6.5 meters. Pointed at IA6.

Rickey.


:confused: Maybe you are thinking of the SD feed - as I am not sure where that is, but I believe you will find the HD feed a little farther West.

Anyway, the more Western Satellite with a 6.5M @ 36.05N - 79.45W, if you using a 4.0 are less, tomorrow is an issue - above a 4.0 it won't be an issue again.

This also corresponds more with the time for today of the post when the Sun Outage happens.


Predicted Outage | Start | End | Duration | Start | End
Date | UTC | UTC | | EST | EST
mm/dd/yyyy |hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | mm:ss | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss
-----------------|----------|----------|----------|----------|-----------
03/04/2007 | 18:48:10 | 18:50:25 | 02:15 | 13:48:10 | 13:50:25
03/05/2007 | 18:46:32 | 18:51:37 | 05:05 | 13:46:32 | 13:51:37
03/06/2007 | 18:46:16 | 18:51:26 | 05:10 | 13:46:16 | 13:51:26
03/07/2007 | 18:47:04 | 18:50:14 | 03:10 | 13:47:04 | 13:50:14

DwntwnWS
03-08-07, 10:59 PM
More phone calls to you know who today. They now have my voice recognized or is it the caller ID? Hmmmm. This is frustrating. Thanks for everyones patience in this matter. I have reported this to CBS also. Trying to get larger fish involved. Stay tuned.

Rickey.


Any updates today? I will wait until after the games start tonight before passing final judgement, but the picture seems to be much improved. I don't see the constant movement/pixelization across the top of the screen so far tonight. I hope it holds up during the fast movement of the game. (fingers-crossed)


It looks like they finally fixed it. The OTA and D* feed look virtually identical for CBS. I hope they provide you a good explanation as to what changed and why it took so long to fix. Thanks for following up with them.

DaveWolf
03-09-07, 09:07 AM
Hats off to Raycom/LF for a high quality telecast. The Wake-GT game was absoutely unbelievable and they were first class all the way with the presentation. Hope the rest of the entertainment is this entertaining.

We definitely need to send out some thank-you's to Raycom/LF so they know we appreciate it.

MilChad
03-09-07, 09:18 AM
I'll check out last night's Letterman when I get home and let you all know if it has improved or not. The past few weeks it has looked real bad especially when the camera pans across the stage or audience. It had bad pixelization and the whole screen seemed to flicker. Funny thing is, when I 1st got the DVR, CBS was one of the best looking D* LiL channels.

roland6465
03-09-07, 11:31 AM
Re: WFMY on D*

I haven't checked since the first game looked like crap yesterday, but I've been discussing the problem with a customer at work this morning who said it was "500% better" for the WFU/GT game last night.

I was watching OTA, and drank so much pulling my Wolfpack through, that I wouldn't have been able to tell anyway. ;)

NOt to be a suckup or anything, but another HUGE thank-you to Rickey for getting this thing solved in time for most of the Tournament. This is why I have 4 HDTVs.

foxeng
03-09-07, 11:42 AM
I was watching OTA, and drank so much pulling my Wolfpack through, that I wouldn't have been able to tell anyway. ;)


HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!

foxeng
03-09-07, 12:50 PM
I know this is WAY OFF TOPIC (so far it can't even be considered remotely close to topic, well he DOES own a HD TV :) ) but hey, the anamicillin and the behind the counter cough medicine (eh, legal hooch) for this crud I have had most of this week just got me laughing so much I just had to share. Sorry!

Anyway, this is a piece from a blog that is done by one of my fellow co-workers at the station, videographer Stewart "Lenslinger" Pittman that he posted the other day (yeah, I am just getting caught up with my "web viewing").

Anyway, it just isn't us Engineers that have "interesting days".

Secret Garden Tips from http://www.lenslinger.com

7 Things I Learned (but already knew) at today’s Grow-Room Bust

The effort, energy and technical prowess required to set up an illegal grow room in your basement could easily bring you a fine salary in any number of electrical, botany or engineering fields - with no fear of prison sex.

Though not nearly as jumpy as when taking down meth labs, certain rural deputies will don bunny suit, gas mask and even hip waders before entering a smelly basement full of half-grown weed.

No matter the education, ethnicity or income level - two out of ten motorists cannot physically restrain themselves from yelling “WHOO-HOO!” when passing live truck encampments. Waving is optional.

No amount of incense will mask the smell of 134 reefer trees in your cellar. Try Stick-Ups.

Electrical linemen aren’t as macho as they look and, even while disassembling a dope grower’s elaborate power system, will still stop Fox affiliated news crews to ask about American Idol.

Undercover cops will repeatedly warn news crews not to film them, then saunter, strut and preen through every possible camera shot in a three mile radius.

Law enforcement officials notoriously overestimate the street value of confiscated pot plants, employing the exact same kind of fuzzy math that stoner behind the counter at the local Stop-N-Rob uses to count back change.

No matter how many pot pulls, round-ups and drug busts you’ve collectively covered before, someone in the electronic media will always, always jokingly ask if they can take home a sample...Tee-Hee!

bdfox18doe
03-09-07, 03:00 PM
I know this is WAY OFF TOPIC ...cough medicine (eh, legal hooch) [/i]


After reading this post, I think you need to lay off the cough syrup..and don't even think of working on the transmitter!! :eek: