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MilChad

03-12-07, 11:49 AM

I've got a DishNetwork 1000.2 installed on a 6ft pole in the backyard. I need to install an OTA antenna to complete the setup so that I can get HD locals. The Terk44 clip on antenna seems easy enough to set up and aesthetically it looks like a winner. However I've been reading mixed reviews on this antenna. Some say it works wonders and other swear it's a POS. Anybody local in the Triad have experience with this antenna?

I live in the 27405 zipcode. If not the terk44 clip on, does anyone have suggestions for an antenna that would give me satisfactory signals so that I can get all my locals in HD, while at the same time aesthetically pleasing?

Thanks in advance.

I used to use the Terk clip-on antenna and had mixed results. Assuming you live in a decent location, you should be able to pull in the locals but don't expect the signal strength to be off the chart. I typically had the signal strength meter in the neighborhood of 50-60% with drop-out issues. The antenna is omni-directional which is nice in theory but not the most dependable antenna out there. Yes, it is aesthetically pleasing but you'd have better luck with something more directional. If you'd like to give one a try, you can pick them up pretty cheap on eBay or you are welcome to give mine a try. It's currently collecting dust.

foxeng

03-12-07, 12:13 PM

Scanning in IRC got Fox and CBS to show up ( I had done an STD scan before), but I'm not finding ABC-HD. Is that STILL not settled between TWC and ABC here?

It has been settled and all big 4 networks on are TWC cable.

jacksonian

03-12-07, 12:26 PM

510-Fox HD
520-CBS HD
530-ABC HD
540-NBC HD

foxeng

03-12-07, 12:40 PM

510-Fox HD
520-CBS HD
530-ABC HD
540-NBC HD

He needs the actual QAM channel numbers in the 113, 116 range, not the remapped ones in the 500 range.

telemike

03-12-07, 12:47 PM

Anyone catch that Tolly Car from WXII was in a DUI incident that resulted in a fatality?

jacksonian

03-12-07, 12:49 PM

Anyone catch that Tolly Car from WXII was in a DUI incident that resulted in a fatality?
Who's Tolly Car? newscaster?

winghus

03-12-07, 01:04 PM

He needs the actual QAM channel numbers in the 113, 116 range, not the remapped ones in the 500 range.

I found your list of the QAM HD channels and I'm getting all of them. Apparently since then, ABC has come to agreement with TWC and is now available to people with an HD STB from Time Warner.

Now my new question is, is ABC-HD available through QAM? In a new scanning this morning it didn't show up but I'm unsure of 1 thing. Are the local HD broadcasts running 24/7 or do I need ro rescan during primetime?

I feel paying $179 for the Samsung DTB-H260F is way better than $40-$50/month more (currently getting Roadrunner and basic $10/month cable) to get digital cable which is required to get an HD-STB from Time Warner but I want to get ABC-HD also. It will suck if TW decided not to send ABC-HD via QAM.

Donniewb420

03-12-07, 01:22 PM

Who's Tolly Car? newscaster?

Yea he was the morning(i think) sports news anchor also a professor in broadcasting/journalism at Winston Salem State University. Dumbass driving home drunk and popped a young guy walking down the road. I beleive some other girl was in the car that works for wxii12 as well. Im suprised the media hasnt quite mamed him yet, as they do with most situations similiar to this... pretty unfortunate for the kid who was steps away from his front door.

jacksonian

03-12-07, 01:32 PM

I'll give WXII credit for having that story and his mugshot being the top billing on the web site right now. That's pretty sad. One more reason I'm not walking home from anywhere at 3:40am.

bigsnyder

03-12-07, 02:43 PM

Bad deal for both parties involved. Reminds of that show (on TLC I believe)
that is called "The Day I Grew Up" that deal with life changing moments. There was
a story of a young man drag racing, and hit another car which killed a mother and
daughter. Long story short, the young man and the husband to the victims eventually
formed a relationship and do motivational speechs together. Just one of deals that
you had to watch for yourself.

C Snyder

EDIT: Added network and corrected show title

Donniewb420

03-12-07, 03:17 PM

Bad deal for both parties involved. Reminds of that show (forget which network)
that is called "When I grew up" that deal with life changing moments. There was
a story of a young man drag racing, and hit another car which killed a mother and
daughter. Long story short, the young man and the husband to the victims eventually
formed a relationship and do motivational speechs together. Just one of deals that
you had to watch for yourself.

C Snyder

not advocating what he did or anything, but at least he was smart enought to not submit to a sobriety test... they got a warrant for his blood, at the least he saved himself a few hours of sobering up... the sad part is, I knew a guy who was convicted of vehicular manslaughter while under the influence, the guy only did a bit less than 2 years.. and he even killed a toddler....

jacksonian

03-12-07, 03:22 PM

I guess you can call that "smart", but I'd call it being a punk a$$ b*^%. They shouldn't need a warrant for that. The smell of alcohol and the fact that you just ran off the road through a work zone and into a building is plenty of reasonable suspicion to take his blood. Anyone who refuses a breathalyzer should be convicted on site. Why would anyone who's not legally intoxicated refuse one?

bigsnyder

03-12-07, 04:10 PM

I think there is some debate on the accuracy of a breathalyzer. Since he is a media
figure, I am sure he had his reasons, maybe it was to allow more time to sober up.
As logical as this sounds, his blood alcohol level probably can be accurately estimated
at the time of the accident making the "sobering" argument a moot point.

On a lighter note, my condolences to DaveWolf and his family for the lose of his
alma mater in the ACC final. :)

C Snyder

roland6465

03-12-07, 05:26 PM

Anyone who refuses a breathalyzer should be convicted on site.

I know this is just an emotional knee-jerk thought, but some of us would rather have a medical lab determine BAL rather than a delicate instrument that's been banging around a car trunk for years. Sorry, but this is still America, and we are still innocent until proven guilty in court.

If he is convicted, I hope he does the most time allowable, but he is allowed due process.

vstone

03-12-07, 07:30 PM

I found your list of the QAM HD channels and I'm getting all of them. Apparently since then, ABC has come to agreement with TWC and is now available to people with an HD STB from Time Warner.

Now my new question is, is ABC-HD available through QAM? In a new scanning this morning it didn't show up but I'm unsure of 1 thing. Are the local HD broadcasts running 24/7 or do I need ro rescan during primetime?

I feel paying $179 for the Samsung DTB-H260F is way better than $40-$50/month more (currently getting Roadrunner and basic $10/month cable) to get digital cable which is required to get an HD-STB from Time Warner but I want to get ABC-HD also. It will suck if TW decided not to send ABC-HD via QAM.They are all sent via QAM. What you want is an unencrypted QAM channel, plus the cable system correctly set up to identify the channel to your clear QAM tuner. The first is very likely, the second less so, since ABC was added at a different time.

winghus

03-12-07, 08:27 PM

They are all sent via QAM. What you want is an unencrypted QAM channel, plus the cable system correctly set up to identify the channel to your clear QAM tuner. The first is very likely, the second less so, since ABC was added at a different time.

Well, I know I'm not the only person in G'boro using QAM, is anyone else here getting ABC-HD clear via QAM? If so, what channel is it on?

I appreciate how helpful everyone here is BTW. Most of the tech forums I've frequented can be quite nasty to new members.

J. L.

03-12-07, 08:48 PM

Well, I know I'm not the only person in G'boro using QAM, is anyone else here getting ABC-HD clear via QAM? If so, what channel is it on?

I appreciate how helpful everyone here is BTW. Most of the tech forums I've frequented can be quite nasty to new members.I have two HDTVs with QAM capable tuners.

On my LG 30FS4D CRT HDTV, ABC-HD comes in on 93-45. I am unable to tune to it on my Vizio VX32L LCD HDTV.

So... ABC-HD is in the clear, but some QAM tuners might not be able to figure that out.

Joe L.

jacksonian

03-12-07, 10:07 PM

I know this is just an emotional knee-jerk thought, but some of us would rather have a medical lab determine BAL rather than a delicate instrument that's been banging around a car trunk for years. Sorry, but this is still America, and we are still innocent until proven guilty in court.

If he is convicted, I hope he does the most time allowable, but he is allowed due process.
I hear what you're saying, but if that were the case, and he actually was worried about the accuracy of a breathalyzer, then he should VOLUNTEER FOR THE BLOOD TEST!

That's what any innocent American concerned about the accuracy of the test would do.

We all know that wasn't the case and he was just stalling for time.

winghus

03-13-07, 01:49 AM

I have two HDTVs with QAM capable tuners.

On my LG 30FS4D CRT HDTV, ABC-HD comes in on 93-45. I am unable to tune to it on my Vizio VX32L LCD HDTV.

So... ABC-HD is in the clear, but some QAM tuners might not be able to figure that out.

Joe L.

Thanks for the info, looks like the DTB-H260F may not be able to find that channel.

roland6465

03-13-07, 04:48 AM

We all know that wasn't the case and he was just stalling for time.

Uh, no, we don't. Boy am I glad you're not involved in the law. If you're just going to throw out generalizations like that, how about you direct them to just yourself, huh? I don't want to be grouped into your "we all".

jacksonian

03-13-07, 06:43 AM

Uh, no, we don't. Boy am I glad you're not involved in the law. If you're just going to throw out generalizations like that, how about you direct them to just yourself, huh? I don't want to be grouped into your "we all".
Alright, then, great defender of the innocent. Why would anyone refuse a breathalyzer and force them to get a warrant for a blood sample? If I had just run over and killed someone, I'd be begging them to give me a blood test to prove that I was not impaired.

So enlighten me.

J. L.

03-13-07, 10:03 AM

Thanks for the info, looks like the DTB-H260F may not be able to find that channel.I remembered I also have an LG LST-3510A combination DVD player/ATSC/QAM receiver in my theater. I usually do not have it connected to the cable, but instead have it on an OTA antenna. I used it during the time ABC-HD was not on TWC. I figured I'd try it on the QAM channels and see how it does. It has no analog tuner at all, so anything it gets on the cable is QAM and in the clear.

Good news is that it too found ABC-HD in the clear on 93-45 here in northwest Guilford county on TWC.

So... LG - both QAM tuners found it.
Vizio - QAM tuner can't find it.

Joe L.

roland6465

03-13-07, 02:00 PM

Alright, then, great defender of the innocent. Why would anyone refuse a breathalyzer and force them to get a warrant for a blood sample? If I had just run over and killed someone, I'd be begging them to give me a blood test to prove that I was not impaired.

So enlighten me.

OK. Say you had nothing to one beer. Not enough to register. You swerve to avoid a dog and run down a pedestrian. Now, you know that you're under the legal limit, so you agree to blow in the tube, as there is a faint odor of something on you that the officer can't pinpoint, and you're eager to prove your innocence.

You blow, it reads .11. That can't be right, you say...I've only had one beer...yesterday. So the officer is a nice guy, you don't appear inebriated, so he lets you go again. Now it's .08. Not the same reading as before, but still over the legal limit.

You get booked, and now the state/county/city has evidence against you for your upcoming DUI trial, soon to be followed by your vehicular homicide encore. The burden of proof, time, and expense of proving a faulty reading is now on you. That is why you never submit to a breathalyzer. THe police aren't interested in whether you're innocent. Only if you're guilty.

jacksonian

03-13-07, 02:05 PM

Donniewb420

03-13-07, 03:19 PM

bigsnyder

03-13-07, 04:10 PM

jacksonian

03-13-07, 04:55 PM

Breathalyzer article (http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/DrivingIssues/1055505643.html)

I think I would have declined as well. The linked site also has many other links
related to accuracy/inaccuracy of breath analyzers.

C Snyder
Surely you're not citing that pro-alcohol website as a reference. That's the most un-scientific, baseless pro-alcohol junk of a website I've ever seen. Just read through the stuff on the main page.

roland6465

03-13-07, 04:57 PM

Your argument is predicated on 2 things. A) that he's innocent and B) that breathalyzer's are grossly inaccurate. Where's your data for B?

And again, if you're so concerned about the accuracy of a breathalyzer, then why not VOLUNTEER for the blood test to prove your innocence?

A. No, my argument is based on your statement; "If I had just run over and killed someone, I'd be begging them to give me a blood test to prove that I was not impaired." . Nowhere anywhere have I said anything about Tolly Carr being innocent. You hypothesize, I hypothesize.

B. Ever hear of Google? (http://www.google.com/search?q=inaccuracy+of+breathalyzer&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1)

C. Asking for a blood test is the same as refusing a field test. You still have "refused breathalyzer" in the police report.

roland6465

03-13-07, 05:01 PM

And where is your evidence that Breathalyzers are dead accurate? Because the police use them?

roland6465

03-13-07, 05:09 PM

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1097/01.alc.0000179205.24180.4a

jacksonian

03-13-07, 05:13 PM

A. No, my argument is based on your statement; "If I had just run over and killed someone, I'd be begging them to give me a blood test to prove that I was not impaired." . Nowhere anywhere have I said anything about Tolly Carr being innocent. You hypothesize, I hypothesize.
Sure you did, you said everyone is innocent until proven guilty, even when they've just run over and killed someone after running through a work zone and hitting a building while they stink of alcohol.

B. Ever hear of Google? (http://www.google.com/search?q=inaccuracy+of+breathalyzer&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1)
Seriously, did you even LOOK at the hits that brings up? They're all ads from defense attorneys! You're using dirtbag bottom feeder scumbags to base your science on?

C. Asking for a blood test is the same as refusing a field test. You still have "refused breathalyzer" in the police report.
Seriously, now it's semantics? "Refused breathalyzer and asked for a blood test" is VERY different than "Refused breathalyzer and would not cooperate until a search warrant for his blood was obtained."

jacksonian

03-13-07, 05:18 PM

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1097/01.alc.0000179205.24180.4a
Are you serious? Did you even READ that?

It's an article about the inconistencies between how drunk college students THINK they are and what a breathalyzer actually says!

You're posting articles that have NOTHING to do with the accuracy of a breathalyzer. In that study, the breathalyzer was the measuring tool used compared to students' self reported guess as to what their alcohol level was.

roland6465

03-13-07, 05:20 PM

And your data is.......

jacksonian

03-13-07, 05:57 PM

First, why don't you address the bogus data you just "presented" as your proof.

And to answer your question, I'm not the one who disputed the validity of the breathalyzer, that was you. I don't have anything to prove. That's why I'm waiting on YOU to show me something besides criminal defense scumbag advertisements, a pro-alcolohol website, and an article of study (done at Duke) that uses the breathalyzer as their standard.

Brad_NC

03-13-07, 06:28 PM

This isn't the right forum for this argument, but this statement really hit a nerve with me:

...then he should VOLUNTEER FOR THE BLOOD TEST!

That's what any innocent American concerned about the accuracy of the test would do.

I know that if I were in this situation and innocent that I wouldn't volunteer for a blood test. So there you go, one example of an innocent American who wouldn't volunteer for a blood test.

What I would do is call my lawyer and wait for her to arrive and advise me on the correct thing to do. I've made myself aware of my basic rights, but I'm certainly not a legal expert - and making a bad decision in a situation like that can make your problems a lot worse very quickly. Any good lawyer should tell you to wait for your legal representation to be present to be certain that you're not doing anything that might make proving your innocence more difficult down the road.

You need to know your rights and stand up for them - you certainly shouldn't expect anyone else to do it for you.

roland6465

03-13-07, 06:32 PM

jacksonian

03-13-07, 06:47 PM

This isn't the right forum for this argument, but this statement really hit a nerve with me:

I know that if I were in this situation and innocent that I wouldn't volunteer for a blood test. So there you go, one example of an innocent American who wouldn't volunteer for a blood test.

What I would do is call my lawyer and wait for her to arrive and advise me on the correct thing to do. I've made myself aware of my basic rights, but I'm certainly not a legal expert - and making a bad decision in a situation like that can make your problems a lot worse very quickly. Any good lawyer should tell you to wait for your legal representation to be present to be certain that you're not doing anything that might make proving your innocence more difficult down the road.

You need to know your rights and stand up for them - you certainly shouldn't expect anyone else to do it for you.
If you hadn't been drinking, tell me why you wouldn't get the blood test. How would it make it harder to prove your innocence down the road?

jacksonian

03-13-07, 06:55 PM

OK, I get it now....You have accrued 3700 posts, mostly bitching about the TWC HD box firmware, because you were maimed by a drunk driver and now have no life other than hanging out with your dog and beating your chest on a message board. Maybe you should make better use of your time and hang outside of bars and make citizen's arrests on the patrons as they leave. I mean, they should all go to the chair, right?
Nice personal attack to avoid actually backing up your bogus claims. Maybe you should try to stick to the topic. I won't even bother to respond to your childish attack.

You sound like you have some sort of beef with the fact that I take my personal rights seriously. The only proof I need for my mind was in my first reply to your martial law statememt, which I remind you, is totally against local, state, and Federal laws. Convict on site? Try Korea or China. We don't do that here.
I have no problem with you taking your rights seriously. I have a problem with people thinking their rights are more important than the person they just ran over drunk. I never made any statement about martial law. You've taken comments that I've made and tried to turn them into some anti-rights communist state propaganda. That's a gross distortion of what was written. And that's all you've tried to do, distort the facts with extreme exaggerations.

You inserted yourself in this discussion and then used worthless bogus information to try to back up your point.

Rights are good, and I like mine too. But get off your high horse with this "Protect the people from the evil dictator" bit. When you run over and kill someone, your rights have changed. Whether you agree or not is your decision. Wait until it's your loved one that's dead and tell me what you think about Tolly Carr's rights to refuse a breathalyzer/blood test. [And no, neither I nor anyone I know personally has been injured by a drunk driver--and that's the point, I don't need for that to happen to know the difference].

jacksonian

03-13-07, 07:02 PM

This isn't the right forum for this argument, but this statement really hit a nerve with me:

I know that if I were in this situation and innocent that I wouldn't volunteer for a blood test. So there you go, one example of an innocent American who wouldn't volunteer for a blood test.
You mean if you smelled of alcohol (where'd that come from) and had just run through a construction zone, run over and killed a man, and run into a building, you'd be an innocent American, and therefore you wouldn't volunteer for a blood test, right? Just so I'm clear because you said "in this situation".

I understand what you're trying to say. If an officer stopped me for no apparent reason and wanted me to blow, I would not do it--specifically because of the points made by you guys. But that's not the case here. This wasn't a random stop.

Brad_NC

03-13-07, 07:12 PM

If you hadn't been drinking, tell me why you wouldn't get the blood test.

Simple - I have a right not to and it's my choice not to submit to such a test without a warrant. The government is, in my informed* opinion, collecting and tracking data that it should not (and in some cases doing so illegally). I have no interest in making this easier for them than it already is. If you want to take a voluntary blood test in that situation, then that is your right and your choice.

How would it make it harder to prove your innocence down the road?

Let's say that the test is flawed or that a mistake occurs (due to human error or whatever) and the results imply that I am not innocent. In that case (which I'm not saying is likely, but is possible), I have hurt my own defense. As I said earlier, I'm not a legal expert, so I would wait to hear my lawyer's advice before taking any action - there are potential scenarios here that I may be (very) unfamiliar with, and I'd rather be safe than sorry with my freedom. In my opinion, that's the best decision that I can make - you're welcome to have a different opinion and make different decisions for yourself.

You mean if you smelled of alcohol (where'd that come from) and had just run through a construction zone, run over and killed a man, and run into a building, you'd be an innocent American, and therefore you wouldn't volunteer for a blood test, right? Just so I'm clear because you said "in this situation".

I said "in this situation and innocent" as in an innocent American who did not commit a crime. Just to be clear though, I would take the same actions if I were guilty. Calling and waiting on your lawyer is generally going to be the right choice, innocent or guilty.

*I don't consider my opinion informed just because I've read and heard arguments from right, left, or centrist individuals sources. I consider my opinion informed because I currently hold a security clearance with the US Department of Defense and have first-hand knowledge of the goings on in some parts of our federal government. I've been working in the defense sector for over 6 years now, and am fully convinced that data that should not be collected is being collected and analyzed in ways that I'm uncomfortable with.

roland6465

03-13-07, 07:14 PM

Nice personal attack to avoid actually backing up your bogus claims. Maybe you should try to stick to the topic. I won't even bother to respond to your childish attack.

I love it! Not attacking at all, are we? And if you would actually read, I just gave my personal opinion that I don't trust delicate instruments that get thrown around all day and night. I never said there was evidence to back it up.

I have no problem with you taking your rights seriously. I have a problem with people thinking their rights are more important than the person they just ran over drunk.

Never said that, either. But the rights of an accused felon are by god important to them, and would by god be to me.

I never made any statement about martial law. You've taken comments that I've made and tried to turn them into some anti-rights communist state propaganda.

Anyone who refuses a breathalyzer should be convicted on site.

That's a gross distortion of what was written. And that's all you've tried to do, distort the facts with extreme exaggerations. You inserted yourself in this discussion and then used worthless bogus information to try to back up your point.

No, just because you don't agree with where the info came from, does not make them bogus and worthless. Just because I think your LCD projector is a piece of crap, does that make it so?

But get off your high horse

Sure, as soon as you do.

When you run over and kill someone, your rights have changed.

Actually, they become more important, especially to the accused. You can't seem to be able to tell the difference between that and the convicted. The convicted have fewer rights. Not until after a trial.

Brad_NC

03-13-07, 07:19 PM

When you run over and kill someone, your rights have changed.
Acutally no - when/if you get convicted your rights have changed, and not a moment before.

Donniewb420

03-13-07, 07:27 PM

Simple - I have a right not to and it's my choice not to submit to such a test without a warrant. The government is, in my informed* opinion, collecting and tracking data that it should not (and in some cases doing so illegally). I have no interest in making this easier for them than it already is. If you want to take a voluntary blood test in that situation, then that is your right and your choice.

Let's say that the test is flawed or that a mistake occurs (due to human error or whatever) and the results imply that I am not innocent. In that case (which I'm not saying is likely, but is possible), I have hurt my own defense. As I said earlier, I'm not a legal expert, so I would wait to hear my lawyer's advice before taking any action - there are potential scenarios here that I may be (very) unfamiliar with, and I'd rather be safe than sorry with my freedom. In my opinion, that's the best decision that I can make - you're welcome to have a different opinion and make different decisions for yourself.

I said "in this situation and innocent" as in an innocent American who did not commit a crime. Just to be clear though, I would take the same actions if I were guilty. Calling and waiting on your lawyer is generally going to be the right choice, innocent or guilty.

*I don't consider my opinion informed just because I've read and heard arguments from right, left, or centrist individuals sources. I consider my opinion informed because I currently hold a security clearance with the US Department of Defense and have first-hand knowledge of the goings on in some parts of our federal government. I've been working in the defense sector for over 6 years now, and am fully convinced that data that should not be collected is being collected and analyzed in ways that I'm uncomfortable with.

I agree with you, throwing innocence or guilt out of the picture, I would always take the same action, call your friggin lawyer... we dont live in a perfect world and plenty of innocent people get convicted of things. sadly the only thing I would trust is the money in my wallet and the degree of representation it could buy... nuff said. we all agree tolly carr is a douchebag and hes probably guilty and we could argue this all day long, in the end one believes what they want due to moral, political, etc etc beliefs... but the officer could of been a racist ******* said he smelt liquor because the driver was black, the driver may not have had a ounce of liquor in his system, but without a lawyer he gives a blood test ... wow they find he has cannibus in his blood,(maybe he smoked it 3 weeks ago and it has nothing to do with this accident) yet the police and hte media would pin that it was the cause.... you can get screwed right and left if U submit to various tests... but if u decline all they can say is ur a prick.... but at least your not guilty... yet...

roland6465

03-13-07, 07:39 PM

Ding Ding! Ding! Ding! Donnie wins the grand prize!

foxeng

03-13-07, 07:39 PM

OK guys. Let's get back on HD TV. Calling each other names serves no purpose but to make people mad.

Thanks.

jacksonian

03-13-07, 08:06 PM

Simple - I have a right not to and it's my choice not to submit to such a test without a warrant. The government is, in my informed* opinion, collecting and tracking data that it should not (and in some cases doing so illegally). I have no interest in making this easier for them than it already is. If you want to take a voluntary blood test in that situation, then that is your right and your choice.

I said "in this situation and innocent" as in an innocent American who did not commit a crime. Just to be clear though, I would take the same actions if I were guilty. Calling and waiting on your lawyer is generally going to be the right choice, innocent or guilty.

*I don't consider my opinion informed just because I've read and heard arguments from right, left, or centrist individuals sources. I consider my opinion informed because I currently hold a security clearance with the US Department of Defense and have first-hand knowledge of the goings on in some parts of our federal government. I've been working in the defense sector for over 6 years now, and am fully convinced that data that should not be collected is being collected and analyzed in ways that I'm uncomfortable with.
Well, obviously, you have information that the rest of us don't. And I'm sure you can't discuss what you know, so I won't take it any further.

The topic got off track with some folks getting personal. I actually think we're all on the same side on this, but coming at it from different perspectives. I believe the central point at issue is this distrust of the police/government. I understand that and respect it, but there's also a point at which people's rights are being violated even more by the criminals/terrorists in this world. So that's a tightrope to walk. Are you the person who errs on the side of letting guilty people go to make sure you never convict an innocent person, or are you the person who errs on the side of infringing on an innocent person to make sure a guilty one never goes unpunished. Again, I personally think that's a razor thin line.

Maybe I should be more paranoid of the government (if I knew what you did). But right now, I'm more worried about the folks who are obviously/overtly trying to violate my rights--the criminals.

Donniewb420

03-13-07, 08:18 PM

Well, obviously, you have information that the rest of us don't. And I'm sure you can't discuss what you know, so I won't take it any further.

The topic got off track with some folks getting personal. I actually think we're all on the same side on this, but coming at it from different perspectives. I believe the central point at issue is this distrust of the police/government. I understand that and respect it, but there's also a point at which people's rights are being violated even more by the criminals/terrorists in this world. So that's a tightrope to walk. Are you the person who errs on the side of letting guilty people go to make sure you never convict an innocent person, or are you the person who errs on the side of infringing on an innocent person to make sure a guilty one never goes unpunished. Again, I personally think that's a razor thin line.

Maybe I should be more paranoid of the government (if I knew what you did). But right now, I'm more worried about the folks who are obviously/overtly trying to violate my rights--the criminals.

On a side note I think you should take the day off and enjoy what you have ;) and yea that line IS very razor thin... I really thought U were in a wheelchair for a second there.... lol. I dare to think what the new HDTV'er thought when he logged into this thread for the first time looking for channel info and instead finding this, lol gotta love it.

Bronco70

03-13-07, 08:18 PM

OK guys. Let's get back on HD TV. Calling each other names serves no purpose but to make people mad.

Thanks.

Thanks Foxeng. Sound and fury signifying...

jacksonian

03-13-07, 08:24 PM

On a side note I think you should take the day off and enjoy what you have ;)
That's exactly what I've realized over the last couple of years. AVS forum can make you an upgrade addict and you spend all your time researching and working to pay for upgrades and you never actually get to enjoy it.

I really thought U were in a wheelchair for a second there.... lol.
That's actually pretty funny. What if I had been though? Would roland have felt bad? :)

Zane

03-13-07, 08:37 PM

Man, Gee Whiz

winghus

03-13-07, 08:38 PM

winghus

03-13-07, 08:47 PM

So anyways, CBS-HD has been dropping in and out since this afternoon on TWC QAM. Anyone else having this problem?

As to the drunk driving argument, this is the Local HDTV Info and Reception thread according to the top of the page. Perhaps you should move it to the general topics area?

Answered my own question, a reboot of the h260f fixed it. Are these tuner boxes unable to handle being on 24/7? I read of a few guys having heat problems with theirs but this one runs quite cool, barely above room temp.

foxeng

03-13-07, 09:32 PM

A reboot of some of these tuners is not always heat related. It is also due sometimes to the digital signal being received that it locks up the receiver if the signal has problems in the digital stream. One ZERO or ONE in the wrong place can cause a lockup and even the cable boxes are suspectable to it as well. Nothing is completely fool proof, even the tens of thousands of dollars receivers stations use.

I own a 260 and it beats the pants off of the other OTA STBs I own and have owned. IMHO, it is a keeper.

Daffy_Duck

03-13-07, 10:52 PM

Hey guys. I can't think of a better place to ask this question so here goes.

I have Time Warner Cable and I'm in Burlington. I have 2 Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 boxes and they are slow as molasses when compared to my parent's TW cable boxes in Raleigh. Is there some kind of upgrade available? I'm planning to buy a HDTV in the next few months so I assume when I upgrade that box to the HD version, it will be better but I still would like to upgrade the other box with something faster.

jacksonian

03-13-07, 11:26 PM

I think those 2100 boxes are old. I have a HD, non-DVR box in my bedroom and I think it's a 3200 series or something. I'll look tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure there are newer boxes available.

DaveWolf

03-14-07, 02:07 PM

On a lighter note, my condolences to DaveWolf and his family for the lose of his
alma mater in the ACC final. :)

C Snyder

I'm late to the party, but thanks Snyder for the sympathies! What a weekend it was. A good tourney for Raycome to pull out the HD! I think I got my money's worth from my TV just in 4 days!

jspENC

03-14-07, 02:53 PM

I've been having trouble with my STB reseting A LOT myself. I was thinking it was ready to be junked! It's a pain in the arse, but I guess it's still worth it for HD.

Brad_NC

03-14-07, 06:01 PM

Does anyone know if WFMY has a schedule availalbe for which NCAA tourny games will be in HD and which will be on the SD sub-channels beyond the first day of games?

I found the listing at http://www.wfmynews2.com/sports/college/basketball/, but it only shows the 3/15 games. I'm hoping to see the Winthrop-Notre Dame game on Friday in HD.

Edit: Just realized that I didn't know this for sure - are the first round games listed on the primary channel (2-1) actually going to be broadcast in HD? I'm assuming the bandwidth just isn't there to have all of the sub-channels in HD, but it'd be great if we could get 1/3 of the games in HD.

Donniewb420

03-14-07, 07:55 PM

I've been having trouble with my STB reseting A LOT myself. I was thinking it was ready to be junked! It's a pain in the arse, but I guess it's still worth it for HD.

I know on time warners 1800 line last weekend they said they were having intermittent problems with set top boxes in certain counties, forysth was included... they recommended unplugging for a minute to erase the memory and turn back on... just thought id pass it along. if its not related sorry.

PamW

03-14-07, 09:55 PM

We had to reboot our HD DVR from TWC tonight. It locked up when we were trying to watch some recorded material.

DaveWolf

03-15-07, 08:49 AM

MilChad

03-15-07, 07:37 PM

Donniewb420

03-15-07, 08:51 PM

cbs hd looks a bit crappier since they added the sub SD channels for the tourney...

uncrules

03-15-07, 09:54 PM

I reset my HR-20 and still don't get any sub-channel basketball from the Triad market or the Charlotte market. Am I the only one that only gets 2-1 and 3-1? (No other subs other than the weather).
I couldn't get 2-3 or 2-4 to come in on my HR20. I tried reseting every possible thing every possible way. On the other hand my H20 added 2-3 and 2-4 to the guide without me doing a thing.

MilChad

03-15-07, 10:04 PM

I couldn't get 2-3 or 2-4 to come in on my HR20. I tried reseting every possible thing every possible way. On the other hand my H20 added 2-3 and 2-4 to the guide without me doing a thing.

My H10 and Samsung SIR-TS360 aren't getting any other subs either. Any ideas? At least Duke's pathetic season is over.

Brad_NC

03-15-07, 10:35 PM

cbs hd looks a bit crappier since they added the sub SD channels for the tourney...

Yeah, splitting the bandwidth between 4 channels is really hurting their picture quality. Before I made the connection to how many sub-channels they were broadcasting, I almost posted to see if the Davidson/MD game looked particularly bad to anyone else. It should get better as the tournament progresses and the number of simultaneous games decreases.

I still can't find any info about which of Friday's games will be in HD though. Please o please let the Winthrop game be in HD.

uncrules

03-16-07, 06:51 AM

I still can't find any info about which of Friday's games will be in HD though. Please o please let the Winthrop game be in HD.
All of the games are in HD this year. The question will be which one does WFMY carry as their main game. That will be the one they show on their HD channels and the others will be on one of the SD sub channels.

foxeng

03-16-07, 07:24 AM

This is just a guess, since I don't have a HR20, but I wonder if it is tied to the EPG. If D* doesn't send those subchannels, you can't see them. If so, sounds like a bug and it needs to be reported to D* so it can be fixed.

pwrmetal

03-16-07, 08:21 AM

I think the poor PQ is a small price to pay for such an improved slate of game options. I really wish WFMY would drop the weather channel and use it to show the 4th game.

Having said that, I am dumbfounded at what WRAL in Raleigh does. They open up 2 subchannels like WFMY, but they show all 4 games at once by showing a different game on the HD channel than on the analog. So UNC and Duke weren't on the HD channel last night except for in parts. Bad decision.

Brad_NC

03-16-07, 08:49 AM

All of the games are in HD this year. The question will be which one does WFMY carry as their main game. That will be the one they show on their HD channels and the others will be on one of the SD sub channels.

Understood - I was just hoping that they'd post a schedule of which games they intended to show on the 2-1 channel. The schedule they have up still only lists yesterday's games.

I am dumbfounded at what WRAL in Raleigh does. They open up 2 subchannels like WFMY, but they show all 4 games at once by showing a different game on the HD channel than on the analog.

That's an interesting hack to say the least. Imagine the uproar if they'd put the Duke and UNC games on the digital-only stations and left the majority of viewers out in the cold. How many SD subchannels can you squeeze in along with an HD channel before you run out of bandwidth (even with the highest levels of compression)? If they're hitting a bandwidth barrier, then the decision makes *some* sense.

If you assume that everyone has an ATSC tuner avaiable (hah!) or cable access to the subchannels then they managed to provide access to every game without further degrading the quality of the HD game with an extra subchannel. For cable subscribers it wouldn't make a difference anyway. Very clever. In reality, of course, J6P-with-only-analog-OTA has no clue what an ATSC tuner is and probably won't care as long as the subsidized signal converters show up on time and without issue.

DaveWolf

03-16-07, 09:19 AM

MilChad

03-16-07, 09:37 AM

xmitterengineer

03-16-07, 10:42 AM

So are there any others out there besides me that can't get the "new" CBS sub-channels? All I get when I try to turn to 2-3 is "channel unavailable". I have 3 HD receivers (all different models) and the same result for each receiver.

Assuming that you are talking about OTA, they "should" lock in after a rescan. However since I really don't have hands on experience with this receiver this is just a guess on my part. Hope this is helpful. :)

Rickey.

DeKatt

03-16-07, 11:48 AM

I will apologize in advance for continuing to clutter up the board with QAM questions/issues. I know some of you rich folks wish us QAM folks would just pony up the cash and get digital cable. (LOL)

But, I did a rescan last night on my TWC in W-S to see if I could pick up any of the extra subchannels WFMY had opened for the NCAA's. However, when my scan completed, I can no longer find ANY digital channels at all. My analog channels come in fine, but I don't get any of the digital channels. Before I was getting:

82-1 NBC (and subchannels including WeatherPlus, UNC-HD, etc.)
87-11 Discovery HD
92-1 CBS
92-2 CBS Weather
92-3 FOX
108-45 ABC

I'm assuming this must be a problem with my tuner, because the channels above were working fine before I rescanned. Could TWC have changed their mapping since my last rescan, then when I lost my settings by initiating a new scan, I can no longer find any channels?

I am ready to crap my pants, as now I don't get a single HD channel. But I don't know what to do, because TWC will not officially recognize QAM channels, so they are no help. But I don't know how to determine if my tuner is malfunctioning. THANKS TO ANYONE FOR ANY HELP! It is greatly, greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,

A Frustrated and Dejected DaveWolf

For what it's worth, here are most of the digital channels I get via QAM from TWC in Winston-Salem. (Apparently my budget Westinghouse tv doesn't assign the same channel numbers as other tv's and/or tuners, but these are the numbers I get):
82.1 UNC TV
82.2 UNC Kids
82.4 UNC HD
82.5 WXII HD (NBC)
87.2 Discovery HD Theater
88.45 Discovery Home
92.1 FOX HD
92.4 UNC ED
92.5 UNC NC
94.8 Action Max
108.9 ABC HD

plus several TV guide channels, 3 music channels, and 3 local news/weather channels. I don't think the channel lineup has changed recently.

uncrules

03-16-07, 12:06 PM

Assuming that you are talking about OTA, they "should" lock in after a rescan. However since I really don't have hands on experience with this receiver this is just a guess on my part. Hope this is helpful. :)

Rickey.
I'm pretty sure the HR20 doesn't have a rescan feature. Not one that I've seen anyway. That's why I tried every form of resetting and rebooting that I could think of.

uncrules

03-16-07, 12:11 PM

I still can't find any info about which of Friday's games will be in HD though. Please o please let the Winthrop game be in HD.
I found what you're looking for. According to this link, WFMY will be showing the Winthrop/ND game in HD on 2.1.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/life/programming/

foxeng

03-16-07, 01:15 PM

I will apologize in advance for continuing to clutter up the board with QAM questions/issues. I know some of you rich folks wish us QAM folks would just pony up the cash and get digital cable. (LOL)

But, I did a rescan last night on my TWC in W-S to see if I could pick up any of the extra subchannels WFMY had opened for the NCAA's. However, when my scan completed, I can no longer find ANY digital channels at all. My analog channels come in fine, but I don't get any of the digital channels. Before I was getting:

82-1 NBC (and subchannels including WeatherPlus, UNC-HD, etc.)
87-11 Discovery HD
92-1 CBS
92-2 CBS Weather
92-3 FOX
108-45 ABC

I'm assuming this must be a problem with my tuner, because the channels above were working fine before I rescanned. Could TWC have changed their mapping since my last rescan, then when I lost my settings by initiating a new scan, I can no longer find any channels?

I am ready to crap my pants, as now I don't get a single HD channel. But I don't know what to do, because TWC will not officially recognize QAM channels, so they are no help. But I don't know how to determine if my tuner is malfunctioning. THANKS TO ANYONE FOR ANY HELP! It is greatly, greatly appreciated!

Sincerely,

A Frustrated and Dejected DaveWolf

Remember not every splitter passes the higher digital cable channels. You will need a straight as possible run from your cable entrance to your set/tuner. If you don't, you will miss some of the upper channels (90 and above where the locals reside).

foxeng

03-16-07, 01:17 PM

It was a CBS decision to have the HD games on a rotating basis, not the stations. There is no dedicated HD feed per game. If you want a full game, it is only available in SD. Bad move by CBS on that one.

As far as WRAL, in the past, they run 4 channel SD channels in the early rounds and then cut back to 2 and run one as HD with a different game on the analog verses the digital subchannels.

DaveWolf

03-16-07, 01:23 PM

Thanks Foxeng. I'll try that although I am suspect that will work. Because everything was working fine on my current splitter arrangment prior to doing the rescan. But perhaps it is having trouble detecting the signal during a rescan instead of just passing the signal if I already had the signals detected.

I will let you know. Thanks.

Brad_NC

03-16-07, 02:22 PM

I found what you're looking for. According to this link, WFMY will be showing the Winthrop/ND game in HD on 2.1.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/life/programming/

Thanks, I found that they updated the page late this morning. Kind of a pain if you want to schedule a recording for a specific game and don't know which channel it'll be on with more advance notice than that.

MilChad

03-16-07, 05:19 PM

Update on the sub CBS channels. I did a rescan on the H10 and the Samsung and get all the subs now. Still no luck with the HR20. If anybody figures the HR20 out, please post it here.

gregchak

03-16-07, 08:09 PM

Update on the sub CBS channels. I did a rescan on the H10 and the Samsung and get all the subs now. Still no luck with the HR20. If anybody figures the HR20 out, please post it here.
From DBSTalk on adding extra OTA channels to guide in regard to CBS affiliates adding sub channels for NCAA tournament:

No.

The only way, is if your affiliate notifies the Tribune Company that they added the extra sub-channels, so that it gets into the guide stream.
Personally I think this is a very bad feature/bug in the HR20.

DaveWolf

03-16-07, 09:16 PM

Remember not every splitter passes the higher digital cable channels. You will need a straight as possible run from your cable entrance to your set/tuner. If you don't, you will miss some of the upper channels (90 and above where the locals reside).

I just ran a connector straight from my cable coming in from the street into the cable into my TV, and still no luck. It looks like it finds all analog channels fine, but no digital signals. Any other ideas? I am really starting to think something is wrong with my QAM tuner. The signal looks really strong, so I don't think that is it.

jimkdavis

03-16-07, 09:29 PM

I'm seeing the same thing DaveWolf is seeing. Since last Friday (3/9), there are no HD channels in the clear on TWC Forsyth county QAM.

I just ran a connector straight from my cable coming in from the street into the cable into my TV, and still no luck. It looks like it finds all analog channels fine, but no digital signals. Any other ideas? I am really starting to think something is wrong with my QAM tuner. The signal looks really strong, so I don't think that is it.

MilChad

03-16-07, 11:37 PM

Anybody out there getting 3-2 or 3-3 out of Charlotte to work? I get 3-1 to come in fine but the other subs say "searching for signal".

foxeng

03-17-07, 08:22 AM

I'm seeing the same thing DaveWolf is seeing. Since last Friday (3/9), there are no HD channels in the clear on TWC Forsyth county QAM.

They are still open in High Point. We have a QAM tuner that we use to monitor 510 (113-3) with and it is still there. You might want to call TWC. They recently cut the Winston headend back into the system to run the western part of the market and took the Greensboro headend to run just the eastern side of the market where they had been using Greensboro to run the whole system.

DaveWolf

03-17-07, 12:12 PM

JimKDavis,

Thanks for the confirmation. I was really starting to get worried about my TV. That sucks if TWC is cutting off the QAM. I really don't want to go the antenna route. I have flirted with that several times and I know it won't be cheap initially, but will be free in the long run.

I have called TWC to find out the situation on QAM. After getting the typical spill about needing a CableCard or STB from the CSR, I tried to explain how QAM works. She is going to have a HDTV specialist call me back on Monday. Their policy has always been that they weren't obligated to provide QAM service, so "good for me" if I got the channels, but they could all go away tomorrow and I would have no leverage to argue. Unfortunatley, that may be true. But I am hoping they just have not accidentally turned on QAM capability for the W-S headend, etc. Technically, I think I am on Davidson County TWC, but if you are in Clemmons, I guess we are still technically receiving our signals from the same source, correct?

Foxeng, do you know when TWC made the change on the headend? I just wondered if that would correspond to us losing the channels. Although mine worked fine up until last Thursday night (Mar. 15th) when I attempted to rescan. Once that happenend I lost all channels. I watched the 1st half of the one of the ballgames in HD, then did the rescan at halftime and all digital channels just vanished. So perhaps I would have been fine as long as I didn't rescan.

Anyone else out there in QAM land having troubles in Forsyth/Davidson county?

jimkdavis

03-17-07, 08:17 PM

DaveWolf, I will be very interested to hear any information that you get from TWC. It is also interesting that you were able to receive the channels until you did a rescan. I lost mine last week but I think my tv may do a mini rescan nightly.

I've found that I can pickup the WXII weather ditial feed but it comes in on channel 0-0 (???)

I'm watching the tournament by duct taping a silver sensor antenna to the top of the deck railing but thats a non-optimal long term solution :)

foxeng

03-17-07, 10:12 PM

Foxeng, do you know when TWC made the change on the headend? I just wondered if that would correspond to us losing the channels. Although mine worked fine up until last Thursday night (Mar. 15th) when I attempted to rescan.

The note we got made it around the first of March.

ee1993

03-17-07, 10:52 PM

Still getting locals HD via TWC clear QAM in Oak Ridge.

DaveWolf

03-18-07, 01:14 PM

Where is Oak Ridge, would that be coming from the G'boro headend? Jim, I will definitely keep you informed of what I find out. I am also getting the weird channel on 0-0. I am thinking others must not be having this problem yet because they have not done a rescan. Else, I have to believe there would be more folks on here complaining about it.

simon_dedalus

03-18-07, 09:38 PM

DaveWolf,

I just bought a tv with a QAM tuner last week. I got some of the chanels you mentioned for a few days, but lost them about the same time as you did.

After a rescan, the only chanels I get are 88-94 (Discover Home) and 94-23 (Cinemax Action). I'll occasionally get someone's on-demand ordering in the 110+ range.

I'm thinking about adding the Family option to the $7/month cable I currently purchase. If I understand correctly for another $13, I'd get a very basic digital package. My question is this: do all of TWC digital packages come with free HD for the locals? If so, that seems like a decent deal to me . . .

DaveWolf

03-18-07, 10:11 PM

Simon,

I think that is true, yes all of the HD locals come with even the most basic digital package. It was just that for the past 3+ years, you could get all of the HD locals plus Discovery HD Theater absolutely free. Thanks for the response. I will post when I hear back from TWC hopefully tomorrow.

fairtomiddlin

03-19-07, 07:55 AM

FWIW, as of this morning I can no longer pick-up WFMY-DT and WGHP-DT via QAM in Greensboro (via TWC). They were both there last night, but not this morning. I still receive the other local digitals via QAM. Haven't tried a re-scan yet.

DaveWolf

03-19-07, 03:50 PM

UPDATE for QAM RECEPTION FROM TWC:

Ok for any future questions on TWC, call Steven Medley at TWC. He is an HD specialist and knows all about QAM and how it works. He just laughed when I told him about all the CSR's that never understand that you can receive the HD channels without subscribing to digital cable or having a STB. He said that goes beyond the normal training for them, hence they don't know anything.

He said he was not aware of decisions or changes that had been made to turn off or begin encrypting those channels. He said it would be a headend issue, and I mentioned the forum to him and mentioned Foxeng's comments about the G'boro vs. W-S headend. He said he would attempt to get back to me once he got an answer. Very nice guy and I hope this will work out. Keep your fingers crossed. :confused:

foxeng

03-19-07, 05:18 PM

At 5:19 the QAM channels on TWC in High Point are working. Have been all day.

DaveWolf

03-19-07, 06:19 PM

But Foxeng, are those coming grom the G'boro headend or W-S?

foxeng

03-19-07, 06:21 PM

But Foxeng, are those coming grom the G'boro headend or W-S?

Greensboro. We have a Samsung DTB-H260F that we use to monitor 510 (113-3) in our master control.

ee1993

03-19-07, 10:13 PM

What's with the big ch 8 logo in the lower center of the screen during 24? It's very very distracting! Isn't the bug in the right corner enough?

OK, it went away for the second half.

foxeng

03-20-07, 03:54 AM

That is the legal ID that is required at the top of every hour. When in network, they don't give us any time at the top of the hour to do it so the splicer has one built in. Sounds like someone hit it and forgot to take it out. It is intended to be up only for a few seconds.

I don't watch 24 so I didn't see it. If I had, I would have called the station and told them to take it out after a minute or two. I guess I should be happy it was there. They usually forget and have to be told to put it in! :)

J. L.

03-20-07, 07:08 AM

We had to reboot our HD DVR from TWC tonight. It locked up when we were trying to watch some recorded material.Our TWC SA 8300HD DVR also re-booted itself last evening... it did NOT correctly record "Dancing with the stars" but instead, when I attempted to play the recording, gave a blank/black screen. Our TWC HD DVR rebooted itself after locking up.

I think the recent "upgrade" of TWC software has a lot of bugs. Two nights ago the other ( non-dvr) TWC SA 3250HD also locked up in the middle of a show resulting in a solid grey screen.

I wonder if TWC can track these re-boots remotely?

Joe L.

PamW

03-20-07, 07:39 AM

I wonder if TWC can track these re-boots remotely?

Joe L.

interesting...

fairtomiddlin

03-20-07, 08:18 AM

At 5:19 the QAM channels on TWC in High Point are working. Have been all day.

Thanks, foxeng. I did a re-scan last night, and all the digital channels are back via QAM. WGHP-DT and WFMY-DT changed numbers (I suppose that's why I temporarily lost those 2), but the others did not.

foxeng

03-20-07, 04:25 PM

Thanks, foxeng. I did a re-scan last night, and all the digital channels are back via QAM. WGHP-DT and WFMY-DT changed numbers (I suppose that's why I temporarily lost those 2), but the others did not.

What numbers to you have us on now?

howardgrams

03-20-07, 06:27 PM

For what it's worth - here's what I know and have done:

TWC broke things on either Thur or Fri March 8 or 9. Things were OK on Wednesday and were broken on Saturday.

It was obvious to me from the symptoms (more below) that they had changed something such that the virtual channel numbers for all of the in-the-clear QAM channels were being set or defaulted to virtual channel zero, which resulted in only one of them (the WXII second channel, weather) being displayed regardless of which channel one tunes to.

I called TWC Tuesday Mar 13, but true to their script, the representative refused to let me speak to a technical person - their procedures "required" her to dispatch a man in a truck to measure signal levels, and then if he deemed it appropriate he would contact a technical person.

The man in the truck came Wed, Mar 14. He agreed that signal levels were ok, played with my set for a while, and agreed to let me speak to his supervisor, who finally had Terry Cross, a technical person call me. We discussed my belief that they had started changing the PSIP's in the data streams for all the in-the-clear stations to point to virtual channel zero. He went off to investigate and called me back later to report that he had reproducted the problem with his own set after pulling the cablecard, and that they would get to the bottom of the problem as soon as possible.

A subsequent update on Friday Mar 15 indicated they were still investigating - something about something that Scientific Atlanta had done for/to them.

I tried all day today to get a further update with little luck - I tried to pass along the name Steven Medley that Dave Wolf had talked to and to suggest that if they didn't know each other, they were working on the same problem and ought to compare notes.

This is getting old - about 12 days since they broke things, and a week since I brought it to their attention.

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I have a Toshiba 52HM94. Before things broke, I could tune to, for example, channel 82-4 for UNC-HD, the TV would display channel 82-4 and the program would come in. After things broke, you tune to channel 82-4, the TV displays 0, and the program from WXII -2 displays. If I rescan, the set no longer finds all the unencrypted subchannels on RF channels 82, 87, and 92. For what its worth, I asked Toshiba for and received and installed updated firmware for the 52HM94 on the slight chance and forlorn hope that it might fix the problem by handling the virtual channel 0 problem differently. It did not help.

I also have a HD tuner card for my computer. This card can still tune all the unencrypted in-the-clear channels that it could tune before IF I KEEP or RESTORE THE CHANNEL INFORMATION from scanning before things broke. But if I rescan channels with this tuner card, it finds and reports RF channel 82 as being virtual channel 0, RF channel 87 as being virtual channel 0, and RF channel 92 as being virtual channel 0 (along with some other RF channels).

Summary: the in-the-clear stations are still there, in their original places on RF channels 82 and 92 (and 87 for Discover HD). But the virtual channel identifiers are broken and this keeps some (or all???) QAM-tuner-equipped sets from being able to tune them in. Others, like my computer card, can still tune them in.

Perhaps pertinent to this problem is the information that cable companies are required by Federal Regulation 47 CFR 76.640 to properly identify subchannels for in-the-clear stations, to wit:
(iv) For each digital transport stream that includes one or more services carried in-the-clear, such transport stream shall include virtual channel data in-band in the form of . . . . .
(D) Each channel shall be identified by a one- or two-part channel number and a textual channel name. . .

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It's clear that TWC is required to provide the ability for QAM tuner-equipped TV sets to tune in-the-clear retransmissions of local broadcast stations, just as they have been doing for at least the last two or three years. I can only suggest that all of us being inconvenienced by this problem to contact TWC if we have not already done so in the hopes that they will work harder and faster to fix the problem if a lot of customers are complaining than if only a couple of us are complaining.

vstone

03-20-07, 07:03 PM

Down here in Myrtle Beach, I'm seeing something similar. Of course at first they said nothing was wrong. They apparently discussed my emails (since I couldn't talk to a techie), but did nothing.

Between FEB 12 and FEB 14, all the clear QAM channels disappeared. (Actually you could scan and find 4, but it turns out that they were SDV channels, not the channels I was looking for). I checked again last Wed. They were still missing. Of course TWC had to roll a truck to tell that the 5 month old line worked fine. They wanted me to take my TV back to the store to see if it worked there. Good thing I wasn't trying to carry a 42"er around!

Well I did that and found out that they had been having problems for about a month. Sounded familiar to me. TWC said all of the problems were caused by a bad cable. A Tech Sup called me and I convinced him that it wasn't just me, it was all of the clear QAM tuners. He called back late yesterday saying that they were talking with the folks in Columbia, but didn't yet know anything. This morning he called back and said they were talking with the folks at Scientific Atlanta.

Folks trying to get their Tivo S3 HD DVRS have seen clear QAM problems all over the country.

DaveWolf

03-20-07, 07:26 PM

Howard,

I am seeing the same thing with the channel defaulting to 0. Mine always reverts to UNC-NC as channel 0. One weird thing I have noticed is if I punch in channel 87 to my remote, and then pause, when the channel begins to switch to 0, then hit the channel up, it takes me to Discovery HD on 87-11. I can do the same thing on ABC on 108-45. But it doesn't work with any other channel. That is weird. But glad to hear this is a widespread problem. Perhaps more people will compain to TWC.

I just have a hard time believing TWC is this ignorant about this type of setup. Are there that few QAM tuners out there? It looks like there phone would be ringing off the hook. But the typical CSR's probably never let the complaints get past the first line of response.

No return call from Steven Medley today. Will follow up tomorrow. The TWC # in Winston is 785-3390 if anyone else wants to complain.

vstone

03-20-07, 07:43 PM

Dave, I can't speak for TWC Greensboro, but I can for TWC Myrtle Beach. Although they had to be convinced that there really was a problem, I don't think that they're trying to mislead anybody. Some of the technical wires are apparently controlled in Columbia (this is just a guess). If SA screws something up and recognizes it, it probably tells TWC corporate, not the hundreds of cable plants out there.

TWC MB really seems not to know much about clear QAM. I don't think it's there fault. I think TWC corporate hasn't invested in training their employees for a technology that they hope to bypass. There is no clear QAM euipment on line monitoring their network (at least in MB). They do have a clear QAM tuner in MB, but since some of those are pretty feeble, I wouldn't call that an on-line monitoring system. There may or may not be some monitoring equipment in Columbia. I suspect not.

Speaking for techs at Martinsville (Comcast, not TWC) and MB, I think they're a pretty honest lot locked in by corporate policies and lack of training.

jimkdavis

03-20-07, 07:59 PM

winghus

03-20-07, 08:17 PM

As I had stated before, I couldn't get ABC HD on my H260F at all. Sometime in the last 2 days I lost DiscoveryHD and the sound for FoxHD on QAM. At some point today my regular cable went pretty snowy on about half the channels, being the worst on the 75-77 ones. About 7pm the regular cable cleared up. Did a rescan just now and am getting all 6 HD QAM chanels now. Discovery has moved and ABCHD has suddenly showed up where it was supposed to be and the sound came back on FoxHD.

My current line-up is:

80-10 Discovery HD
93-45 ABC HD
113-1 CBS HD
113-3 Fox HD
116-3 NBC HD
116-14 UNC HD

Also getting 13 SD digital channels (3 Preview channels, 2 weather sub-channels, a couple various UNC channels).

Bronco70

03-20-07, 11:50 PM

OK Enough,

So cable has problems. TWC+Sinclair thats old. I will never regret the day back in 1995 when I pulled the last piece of RG-9 and called D* and activated. QAM ,they will find a way to make you pay. OTA is still where the pq resides. Sunday Ticket... well if you have to have it? We will see what D* can really get up an running in HD in 2007. I might even join the wife to watch what Emeril can do.

Joe

fairtomiddlin

03-21-07, 08:03 AM

What numbers to you have us on now?

Now it is 113-1. Before I "lost" you, it was 113-3.

DaveWolf

03-21-07, 08:18 AM

Vstone,

I am not sure, but I don't see how our local TWC in W-S could be getting a signal from Columbia that is the root cause of what we are seeing if Greensboro is not having any trouble. I would think if Columbia was the "substation" where we were receiving our signal, it would be covering the entire Triad region.

Although at this point, I don't have another suggestion. I am calling Steven back today and will mention Terry Cross' name that Howard mentioned above.

DeKatt

03-21-07, 12:29 PM

Howard,
Thank you for the info. What you described is exactly what I am seeing on my Toshiba here in Clemmons. My next step was going to be the firmware upgrade route but I now know that will not help.

I'm on TWC in Clemmons, and I haven't seen any changes in my QAM channels recently (except that ABC-HD is not working today, but that happened once before and I believe it was an individual station problem, nothing to do with TWC). I have not done a rescan recently, either, and I'm not planning to after reading some of the above posts. I have a Westinghouse LTV 32W4.

vstone

03-22-07, 11:02 AM

foxeng

03-22-07, 12:55 PM

I just think some people think this thread is their personal hot line and forget others use it for more than one person's problems.

uncrules

03-22-07, 07:51 PM

Good new for HR20 users. There was a national software release yesterday which causes a reboot. Now today, we have the 2-3 and 2-4 sub-channels.

Zane

03-23-07, 10:10 AM

Foxeng,
Does TWC take you guys by fiber or OTA?

Zane

DaveWolf

03-23-07, 10:21 AM

J. L.

03-23-07, 11:38 AM

Just an update, I got a message back from Steven Medley at TWC last night. Not much news, but he is working with some folks on the problem. I referred him to this forum, and he had checked it out and read all of the input from folks around the area with similar problems. He has talked with several folks at headend, but no one seems to know what is causing it, or how widespread the problem is. (i.e. is it only W-S vs. more regional problems, etc.)

He is waiting to hear back from some other folks at this time. So I don't think this will be resolved immediately. Thanks to Steven for your help on this if you continue to check in. Please feel free to post any updates if you can, but I know you don't want to get in trouble posting in an official capacity with your job. I know that can be tricky on discussion forums.

I still agree with Howard above that the signal is still being passed fine, it is just something that is not allowing the QAM tuners to recognize and map the channels correctly when it assigns them a channel frequency.

And again sorry to all others for continuing to clutter up the board with QAM issues, but it is frustrating when you can't watch any HD on your set. We are so spoiled and I keep trying to remind myself of that.I did a scan yesterday on the Greensboro TWC for QAM using my Vizio VX32L HDTV.

The Vizio HDTV is still unable to recognize ABC's HD QAM signal on 93-45. In fact, it does not add it as an available channel when I have it do a channel scan.

The Vizio does properly recognize DISC-HD, CBS-HD, NBC-HD, FOX-HD, and PBS-HD QAM HD signals, as well as a number of digital-SD signals, but not ABC-HD. Odds are there is something different about the PSIP data configuration on 93-45 then on the others.

Now, I also have an LG LST-3510A HDTV tuner/DVD player, and an LG 30FS4D HDTV in my house... they both have QAM capable tuners. If I connect them to the cable (normally they are connected to an outside antenna), they are able to understand the PSIP data from ABC-HD on 93-45, and do pick it up on a scan, so I know it is being transmitted in the clear on my cable.

I guessing there is something different about the PSIP data on 93-45 than the other channels sent in the clear by TWC. It sure would be nice if it was recognized by ALL the QAM capable tuners, not just some.

Joe L.

foxeng

03-23-07, 02:56 PM

Foxeng,
Does TWC take you guys by fiber or OTA?

Zane

OTA for both digital and analog. They had so many lip sync problems with the fiber feed, they only use it as an emergency back up until they can figure the problem out, now almost a year later.

foxeng

03-23-07, 02:58 PM

FYI,

We have a camera set up in downtown GSO for the Daughtry concert tonight and the camera is being streamed lived as I type this. You can go to http://www.myfoxwghp.com and click on the live video link in the Daughtry headline box.

bigsnyder

03-23-07, 04:12 PM

Update: Working now.

Anybody else on TWC in W-S having trouble getting the WXII feed from the digital
tier? The regular analog channel is fine.

C Snyder

uncrules

03-23-07, 08:25 PM

Is there any new news about when channel 20 will go full power and HD?

foxeng

03-24-07, 07:41 AM

It looks like they finally got everything off the tower yesterday. I went by there on 220 yesterday morning and it looked like just the gin pole and maybe one support section left and then after lunch heading up to High Point, it looked like everything was down, but I couldn't be sure. The derrick has been off the tower for several weeks and only the gin pole and support sections have been there. Don't know if the tower crew had to go somewhere else in a hurry or not. There have been several tower failures around the country the last several weeks.

I tried calling Don Moore yesterday to see what was happening, but he wasn't in so I assume he was at the site. I did see a signal up late yesterday morning but it had no valid stream on it so I don't know if they were testing or not. I am not seeing anything at this time.

uncrules

03-24-07, 08:37 AM

Thanks for the info.

Zane

03-26-07, 09:03 AM

We turned ABC 45-1 off this morning at about 8:50 am due to arcing in the transmission line near the antenna. The tower crew is woring in it and hopefully will be back up soon.
Zane

HDTVFanAtic

03-27-07, 03:27 AM

You need a DS3 to TWC.

J. L.

03-27-07, 05:07 AM

We turned ABC 45-1 off this morning at about 8:50 am due to arcing in the transmission line near the antenna. The tower crew is woring in it and hopefully will be back up soon.
ZaneZane,
Thanks for keeping us informed.

Technical question...

How can you tell the arcing is occurring near the antenna?

About the only ways I can think of are: you can see it, or you can hear it, and both seem hard to accomplish with 1000+ foot towers...

Joe L.

gregchak

03-27-07, 08:20 AM

MR12,

I was watching the Today show this morning and to my surprise the time and temperature showed up. I usually watch it in the morning while eating breakfast and switch to the SD feed when I'm done to check the temp before I leave. I didn't watch much last week (going to work too early), so if this is old news I apologize.

Its the little things I guess. Thanks!

Zane

03-27-07, 02:53 PM

Zane,
Thanks for keeping us informed.

Technical question...

How can you tell the arcing is occurring near the antenna?

About the only ways I can think of are: you can see it, or you can hear it, and both seem hard to accomplish with 1000+ foot towers...

Joe L.
If there is a burn somewhere in the run of the line that is unknown, (sometimes you can see the arcing at joints) there are instruments that are used to sweep a line and pinpoint the problem. In our case the tower crew heard the arcing in the joint complex they had dissassembled to pass the crane through while de-rigging the tower. We had about 14 ft. of heated inner conductor and melted teflon. The transmitter was tripping off with VSWR.

J. L.

03-27-07, 03:36 PM

If there is a burn somewhere in the run of the line that is unknown, (sometimes you can see the arcing at joints) there are instruments that are used to sweep a line and pinpoint the problem. In our case the tower crew heard the arcing in the joint complex they had dissassembled to pass the crane through while de-rigging the tower. We had about 14 ft. of heated inner conductor and melted teflon. The transmitter was tripping off with VSWR.I'm quite familiar with the use of a TDR, and I would expect it would tip you off to the melted insulator's location. I'm guessing that is the type of instrument you are referring to.

I was just not sure if you could use a TDR or something like it if the transmitter was on the air. If the VSWR tripped the transmitter safety, then it I could see how you could sweep the line to find the cause while the TX was off-line.

Since you said "you took the TX offline to make the repair" I figured it was not sufficient to cause your transmitter protection circuits to trip by themselves. It also makes sense how you got a tower crew to look at the transmission line so quickly... they were already on site, and they heard the arcing. (Must be scarry, up so high, and to hear arcing. )

Joe L.

eXcelon7574

03-27-07, 04:31 PM

ee1993

03-27-07, 05:16 PM

I am new to the forums and I can't find an answer to a problem I am having. I am in winston-salem and I can pick up abc45 over both ota and twc qam, but for some reason I get a pause in the video every few seconds. This does not occur on any other local channel. My tv does not have a signal meter so I can't check that. Any ideas? Thanks.

I have the exact same problem with one on my TVs (ViewSonic LCD) but not with the other (Sony SXRD). The video will freeze momentarily. This only happens on CH 45 and not on live sports programming. Can you try another TV?

vstone

03-28-07, 08:11 AM

For those still having problems with clear QAM tuners, here's an update from TWC in MB. They went so far as to take clear QAM TV up to the head end in Columbia to test it there. They have been waiting a week for an answer from Scientific Atlanta. They're thinking a file may have been deleted although they claim they keep backuips. Implicit in this is the possibility that they don't know how to program their equipmenty at all. I guess it is all done by Scientific Atlanta.

foxeng

03-28-07, 08:19 AM

Implicit in this is the possibility that they don't know how to program their equipmenty at all. I guess it is all done by Scientific Atlanta.

Oh. Oh. Oh. If I keep biting my tongue, I will bite it off! ZANE! RICKEY! Hold me down! QUICK! ;)

DaveWolf

03-28-07, 08:30 AM

Vstone,

Thanks for the update. I have heard nothing else from Steven at TWC since last week. What is the deal with Scientific Atlanta?

stevohdftmill

03-28-07, 11:09 PM

Any Station Engineers in the Triad,
OTA in Fort Mill SC at Night:

WFMY - 54%
ABC 45 - 52%

Prob UHF Prop but I can watch the stations about 80% of the time at night. Channel Master Antenna w/pre-amp and rotor on D* H20 Receiver.

xmitterengineer

03-29-07, 11:34 AM

We turned ABC 45-1 off this morning at about 8:50 am due to arcing in the transmission line near the antenna. The tower crew is woring in it and hopefully will be back up soon.
Zane

Zane sorry to hear that sir. :( Sounds like this one should be a freebie at least.

foxeng wrote:

"Oh. Oh. Oh. If I keep biting my tongue, I will bite it off! ZANE! RICKEY! Hold me down! QUICK!"

Ok heres a bucket of cold water for you sir...SPLASH... Now stop that! :)

Rickey.

xmitterengineer

03-30-07, 06:20 AM

DaveWolf

03-31-07, 11:32 PM

Looks like some of the QAM channels are back. Still can't find NBC though.

DeKatt

04-01-07, 10:58 AM

Looks like some of the QAM channels are back. Still can't find NBC though.
I still have all the QAM channels I had in the past. NBC is where it always was on my set (Westinghouse). The ABC HD channel did move by one number on my set. Also, a hardcore porn channel appeared that (as far as I know) wasn't there before.

bigsnyder

04-01-07, 04:44 PM

On a serious more disturbing note, it looks like someone made some money off
the Tolly Carr/Bokhoven tragedy. I think it is too late to do something now, but I did
file a compliant with ebay, but it appears to have been ignored. Anyway, here is the
auction in question:

tollycarr.com for sale (http://www.tollycarr.com) (The auction link is embedded in the site itself)

I also sent an email to WXII, but it was either ignored or not sent to the right person.
The legality of this site seems questionable, but it is a travesty that someone made
money off this. Anyway, I probably should have shared this with the forum sooner,
but I was hoping the channels I pursued would have been sufficient without bringing
extra attention to the auction.

I apologize for going OT, but this seemed important considering the audience this thread serves.

C Snyder

simon_dedalus

04-01-07, 07:32 PM

Donniewb420

04-01-07, 10:53 PM

I was glancing in the other TWC HD thread on the forums, supposedly someone from South Carolina is reporting ESPN2 HD showing up unannounced and a respone about NGHD coming soon. Supposedly the "Main" contract for EPSN (which includes espn2) was agreed upon.

DeKatt

04-02-07, 10:58 AM

I picked up some QAM channels as well.

I still get 88.94 (Discovery Home) and 94.23 (Cinemax Action).

I also get a few channels in the low 92. range (Fox, CBS, CBS weather, PBS, PBS).

I can't find NBC or ABC. I live in Winston-Salem (Sherwood Forest area).

ABC seems to have disappeared for me, too. My set finds Disc Home at 88.45, and Cinemax Action at 94.8, so there's obviously a difference in the channel numbers. That said, can you get Discovery HD Theater (which I find at 87.2)? And NBC is 82.5 (for me). So you might try hunting around in those areas.

DaveWolf

04-02-07, 03:38 PM

pwrmetal

04-02-07, 11:30 PM

Well, TWC Charlotte added ESPN2HD tonight. I have fired off the requisite email to Triad-TWC asking the obvious question (as well as asking again about Universal HD since seemingly every other NC branch has had this for nearly a year). We'll see if I get the usual canned response. If I get anything meaningful, I'll report here.

foxeng

04-03-07, 07:53 AM

To be honest, Universal HD is pretty useless. D* has had it since day one and I can say I have only watched it about 8 times in 2 years. Nothing really on it except Universal movies. They did have some of the other NBCU cable channel programming, but they were all one season behind and they have now stopped doing that. I am not sure what NBCU is going to do with it since they are launching channel specific HD channels in the coming months. It could be that UHD becomes one of those and it is just treading water right now.

uncrules

04-03-07, 09:41 AM

I thought I read that Universal HD would become just movies only.

pwrmetal

04-03-07, 10:29 AM

To be honest, Universal HD is pretty useless.

We had it for the week or two during the winter olympics, and I agree with you. But still, just another chance to watch HD movies is nice. And, this week would be nice to have it when the first 2 rounds of the Masters are on USA - and on Universal HD in.... HD. It's just the principle of the thing. I can't go to another TWC market in this state without seeing it in the lineup. It's been a done deal for TW and Universal since late 2005 IIRC. Why in the hell don't we have it?

(And having said that, I care about a billion times more about getting ESPN2HD.)

jabajet

04-03-07, 11:25 AM

...(And having said that, I care about a billion times more about getting ESPN2HD.)

I agree!!!

donnych

04-03-07, 07:37 PM

I was just over at inlaws in Rockingham county.
They have just got D* and the subchannels are on the guide but they do not come in. I called tech for them and they were usless.
Do you guys get the sub channels?
They get 2,7, 8, 10, 12, 26 13 45 20 48 from the Greensboro and Virgina market.
Tech was shocked at this too. Totally useless help.

roland6465

04-03-07, 07:56 PM

The subchannels show up in the guide because they are available OTA. They should be shaded a different color in the guide. The HD locals only include the main digital channel of the big 4 networks.

ee1993

04-03-07, 08:23 PM

I used to get Discovery HD Theater at 87.11 and NBC at 82.1, but haven't gotten either since everything got screwed up. I will check at the ^^^ those channels tonight to see if I can find anything. I didn't realize that different TV's mapped the channels to different numbers. I thought they were always the same as long as you were in the same market.

Here is most of what I get on TWC QAM (after an update yesterday)

Station QAM Ch
WFMY HD 113.1
WXII HD 116.3
WXLV 93.45
WGHP HD 113.3
UNCHD HD 116.14
UNC 116.13
UNC ED 113.16
UNC NC 113.17
UNC KID 116.15
Discovery HD 80.1

HDTV_NW_GSBO

04-04-07, 03:38 PM

ESPN2HD! This is great news for baseball fans as well as you NHRA fans. I want it tonight for the Mets-Cards game!!!

xmitterengineer

04-05-07, 09:16 AM

Cut and paste from pwrmetal's post:

"And, this week would be nice to have it when the first 2 rounds of the Masters are on USA - and on Universal HD in.... HD."

Our senior MCO informs me that WFMY will have the Masters first two rounds in HD also.

Rickey.

pwrmetal

04-05-07, 11:30 AM

Our senior MCO informs me that WFMY will have the Masters first two rounds in HD also.

Cool. Thanks for the heads up!

No meaningful reply this week from Triad-TWC in regards to ESPN2HD. I got the default "We are negotiating." I have since replied with links to the articles announcing a deal, but they haven't written me back. Lousy punks.

GSOcanesfan

04-05-07, 03:49 PM

I'm getting ESPN2HD on TWC channel 556! Hopefully its here to stay!

pwrmetal

04-05-07, 04:06 PM

I'm getting ESPN2HD on TWC channel 556! Hopefully its here to stay!

WOO FREAKING HOOO!!!! Me too! :) Thanks for the headsup.

Kudos (for once) to TWC for not dragging this out forever!

fairtomiddlin

04-05-07, 04:09 PM

I'm getting ESPN2HD on TWC channel 556! Hopefully its here to stay!

Can someone who does not subscribe to the HD Pack let us know if they are getting it as well? According to the Raleigh thread, ESPNHD and ESPN2HD are now available there on the regular digital tier.

Donniewb420

04-05-07, 04:25 PM

Can someone who does not subscribe to the HD Pack let us know if they are getting it as well? According to the Raleigh thread, ESPNHD and ESPN2HD are now available there on the regular digital tier.

Yea Im also interested to see if they get if on the free tier. or if they are going to switch channels around and give us both espn's on the free teir versus the hd pack

DaveWolf

04-05-07, 04:32 PM

Dang you guys beat me to this. News travels fast. Here is a link to the Raleigh channel lineup, and it does appear ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD are coming out of the HD suite and are being included in the regular lineup. I am assuming they must be moving new channels into the HD suite.

TWC Triangle Channels (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/products/cable/hdchannels.html)

Edit: I can't get the link to work above for some reason, but it does show what I mention above.

But on the Triad lineup, it still only shows ESPN-HD as part of the HD pack. No mention of ESPN2-HD.

Now if only ESPN and ESPN2 HD could make their way to QAM channels...... Hmmm.... Probably never happen but I can dream!

fairtomiddlin

04-05-07, 04:34 PM

Now if only ESPN and ESPN2 HD could make their way to QAM channels...... Hmmm.... Probably never happen but I can dream!

I saw on yet another thread that Raleigh was getting ESPN2-HD via QAM.

DaveWolf

04-05-07, 04:43 PM

I saw on yet another thread that Raleigh was getting ESPN2-HD via QAM.

Where was that? I scanned the Raleigh and Charlotte threads but didn't see it mentioned. Might have to give Steven Medley a call back at TWC if that is indeed happening. I will wait for confirmation first to see if that is legit.

I'll do a full rescan when I get home to see what I can find. I wanted to do one anyway after the channel listing that was mentioned 9-10 posts above this.

fairtomiddlin

04-05-07, 04:45 PM

Where was that? I scanned the Raleigh and Charlotte threads but didn't see it mentioned. Might have to give Steven Medley a call back at TWC if that is indeed happening. I will wait for confirmation first to see if that is legit.

I'll do a full rescan when I get home to see what I can find. I wanted to do one anyway after the channel listing that was mentioned 9-10 posts above this.

Post no. 47 here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10221014&&#post10221014

EDIT: For some reason, i can't get links to work either. It's post no. 47 in the thread entitled "My Annual When Does TWC Get ESPN2-HD Thread" in the HDTV Programming forum.

pwrmetal

04-05-07, 04:54 PM

DaveWolf

04-05-07, 04:59 PM

Thanks FTM for the clarification. From a business standpoint, it makes no sense to me to move these channels out of the HD suite. Even if they add new HD channels to the HD pack, I can't think of anything that would carry the weight of these. But sounds good to me!

And for QAM, I am not going to get my hopes up. TNT-HD is on the "free" tier, but it is encrypted on QAM. But I will keep my fingers crossed....

djrcelicagt41

04-05-07, 06:02 PM

WCWG is now broadcasting OTA!

ShaunoftheDead9

04-05-07, 06:17 PM

I have the regular non hd tier hd and I have both ESPN and ESPN 2 in HD!

foxeng

04-05-07, 06:27 PM

WCWG is now broadcasting OTA!

I had checked it at 1pm and it wasn't up. The low power was still on then. Now I see it full scale here at home and they are sending 1080i. They still have the WTWB calls on the EPG! ;)

fairtomiddlin

04-05-07, 07:53 PM

I have the regular non hd tier hd and I have both ESPN and ESPN 2 in HD!
And, both are available via QAM here in Greensboro!

pwrmetal

04-05-07, 07:55 PM

I have sent an email to TWC asking about ESPN's HD and whether you no longer need the tier to get them. It will be nice to save $7/month if true.

PamW

04-05-07, 08:33 PM

DaveWolf

04-05-07, 09:32 PM

And, both are available via QAM here in Greensboro!

Can anyone confirm in Winston-Salem? I finally did get some of my QAM channels to come back (CBS on 92-1, FOX on 92-3, ABC back on 108-45.) But still no NBC or Discovery HD. And I certainly can't find anything for ESPN HD or ESPN2.

foxeng

04-06-07, 07:18 AM

Don Moore, CE at WCWG posted this in another thread about their full power startup:

We have a few tweaks to complete; but I wanted to get the transmitter on
before the tower crew was gone. So we switched it on this morning at
9:30 AM.

1080i Upconversion with CW HD hopefully next week.

We're not at 100% yet, we'll currently holding back until certain the
line will handle the power. We are running just below the maximum power
for the antenna and line as designed. I would have preferred
over-building as we did the with analog - it would have given us much
more head room in case of problems.

It is nice though finally being able to pickup the station at home myself.

I'm currently watching it on my RCA DTC-100 and just got the Pinnacle
USB Stick Tuner working with it.

FYI - Unless you have a SCREAMING COMPUTER, I don't recommend the
Pinnacle USB Stick Tuner. They initially said P4-2Ghz would run it; now
it's a 2.8Ghz minimum. My P4 2.8Ghz 1GB Ram has problems with weaker
signals - I'm using the indoor antenna right now - which might be the
real problem.

posg

04-06-07, 08:12 AM

Receiving WCWG-DT in North Raleigh last night with just an indoor antenna.

ee1993

04-06-07, 09:13 AM

Can anyone confirm in Winston-Salem? I finally did get some of my QAM channels to come back (CBS on 92-1, FOX on 92-3, ABC back on 108-45.) But still no NBC or Discovery HD. And I certainly can't find anything for ESPN HD or ESPN2.

Dave,

Do you have any QAM channels blocked (skipped)? For me, doing a re-scan did not find any new QAM channels but some of the channels that were previously found but encoded or empty are now in the clear. Using QAM will be a real pain if TWC keeps moving channels. Perhaps they intend to make internal QAM tuners too difficult for the average user in order to sell the converter box service.

ee1993

04-06-07, 10:51 AM

And, both are available via QAM here in Greensboro!

Can anyone post the new channel numbers for ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD Greensboro clear QAM?

DaveWolf

04-06-07, 11:37 AM

Dave,

Do you have any QAM channels blocked (skipped)? For me, doing a re-scan did not find any new QAM channels but some of the channels that were previously found but encoded or empty are now in the clear. Using QAM will be a real pain if TWC keeps moving channels. Perhaps they intend to make internal QAM tuners too difficult for the average user in order to sell the converter box service.

No, I don't think so. I use my parental controls menu on my TV to go though each channel individually to see if anything is there. I am really confused at this point.The guy that posted about 15-20 posts up about the QAM channel lineup in W-S, I have none of those same channel numbers. And I don't get all of those channels. I have always been under the impression that as long as you were on the same provider in the same market, your QAM channel/frequency numbers would be the same. Is that not true? Can the channel numbers vary from set to set?

I had heard before that different QAM tuners have different capabilities to accept the signal depending on how the provider is sending it. Is my tuner just unable to receive these (it is about 3 years old?)

Here is what I can receive:

92-1 WFMY HD
92-2 WFMY Weather
92-3 WGHP HD
108-45 WXLV HD (I picked this up again on my rescan yesterday, it had been missing for about 6 weeks)

Before this latest round of troubles, I could get the following, but now these are nowhere to be found:

WXII HD 82-1
WXII Weather 82-2
Discovery HD 87-11
TNT HD 104-300 (But I lost this one over 18 months ago)

But are others in W-S receiving WXII and Discovery HD currently? If so, I guess there is either something wrong with my tuner or TWC is just sending the signal in a way my TV can't understand.

Thanks to anyone who can help. I would love to get ESPN and ESPN2, and I don't mind calling TWC if G'boro, the Triangle, and Charlotte are receiving these in the clear on QAM.

simon_dedalus

04-06-07, 04:01 PM

DaveWolf,

I get the four stations that you receive plus 88-94 (Discovery Home), 94-23 (Cinemax Action), and two more stations in the low 92 range (92.6??? and 92.7???--for a couple of PBS stations).

Today was the first time I was able to find ABC at 108.45

If I ever find NBC or Discovery HD, I'll be sure to let you know.

fairtomiddlin

04-06-07, 06:09 PM

Can anyone post the new channel numbers for ESPN-HD and ESPN2-HD Greensboro clear QAM?

On my Sharp they are as follows in GSO. However, my QAM channels often do not match what others report from GSO.

ESPN-HD 89-1
ESPN2-HD 94-1

jimkdavis

04-06-07, 06:40 PM

I suspect that different TV's see the QAM channels on different subchannels (That may not be the correct term but I mean the -X in 92-X).

Here is my list from Clemmons
88-45 - Discovery Home
92-1 - FOX HD
92-2 - CBS HD
92-3 - CBS Weather
92-4 - UNC-ED
92-5 - UNC-NC
94-8 - Action Max

I seem be be unable to pick up some of the (what my TV calls) Virtual Digital Channels. When I bring up the signal meter, I can see digital channels at 90,91,100,102,108,110,111,112 and 117 but the Virtual digital channel is listed as 0.
As a comparison, when I point the signal meter to digital channel 92, I see virtual digital channel 92-1,92-1, etc

If I try and go to 108-45, my tv jumps to some shopping channel it has mapped to 0-0

winghus

04-06-07, 09:03 PM

had to do a rescan tonight due to channel changes. Gained ESPNHD and ESPN2HD but can't find CBSHD and FoxHD. I'd rather have the networks back than 2 sports channels I'll watch about twice a year.

My current lineup as of the last scan:

80-10 DiscoveryHD
89-1 ESPNHD
93-45 ABCHD
94-11 ESPN2HD
116-3 NBCHD
116-14 UNCHD

I'm getting no channels found in the 113 range where CBS and Fox were, this sucks. I wish TWC would quit moving stuff around constantly. Either allow QAM and quit moving it constantly or disallow it completely so I can turn to alternatives. This is the 4th time this month I've had to spend an hour rescanning and programming the box due to changes in the channel lineup.

UPDATE: before, to get all the HD channels I had to do my scan in IRC mode on the Samsung h260f. Just did a rescan in STD mode and CBS and Fox HD showed up while keeping the 2 new ESPN HD channels. I still wish TWC would use some kind of consistancy in their transmission.

ee1993

04-06-07, 09:29 PM

I did not do a re-scan and still get CBS, FOX and all QAM channels I got last week including:

WFMY HD 113.1
WXII HD 116.3
WXLV 93.45
WGHP HD 113.3
UNCHD HD 116.14
UNC 116.13
UNC ED 113.16
UNC NC 113.17
UNC KID 116.15
Discovery HD 80.1

Plus, I can now get;
ESPN-HD 89-1 and
ESPN2-HD 94-11 by direct keyboard entry.

Update: All I had to do was un-skip the two ESPN channels. All channels now tune from the ch up/down keys. I just wonder if ESPN in the clear is a temporary situation. Let's not ask TWC about it and just enjoy it while available.

winghus

04-06-07, 09:32 PM

I did not do a re-scan and still get CBS, FOX and all QAM channels I got last week including:

WFMY HD 113.1
WXII HD 116.3
WXLV 93.45
WGHP HD 113.3
UNCHD HD 116.14
UNC 116.13
UNC ED 113.16
UNC NC 113.17
UNC KID 116.15
Discovery HD 80.1

Plus, I can now get;
ESPN-HD 89-1 and
ESPN2-HD 94-11 by direct keyboard entry.

I

see my update above, I get them all now. I don't list the non-HD channels but I get the ones you listed along with a couple preview channels in SD.

posg

04-08-07, 08:14 AM

Did WCWG-DT crash last nite ????

foxeng

04-08-07, 12:00 PM

Haven't heard but they must have. I am not seeing them this morning.

foxeng

04-08-07, 07:52 PM

Just thought I would pass along that nchdtv.com is back up after a long hiatus and rebuild.

telemike

04-09-07, 07:12 AM

When will TWC carry the CW20 and MY48 in HD?

ncsustash

04-09-07, 07:11 PM

I have to believe that if they are moving ESPN1/2HD out of the HD tier, it must be part of their new agreement with Disney. Wow, I will be hard pressed to justify that $7/month if ESPN1/2HD become free. I mean does anyone need INHD/HDNet/HDNetMovies? They basically stink.

This will be interesting to keep an eye on. If anyone gets are response please post it, because I think almost everyone would cancel the HD Pack if it is true.

In the press release they also said something about ESPN U being added, but it hasn't shown up yet.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1649&MarketID=17

jabajet

04-10-07, 06:48 AM

Here is the reply I got-
Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable. Both ESPN in HD and ESPN2 in HD are available on regular digital cable. They are not included in our HD Pack.

Maybe the HD pack is only going to be unique HD channels - not HD versions of existing channels. Time to cancel the HD pack??

fairtomiddlin

04-10-07, 07:56 AM

As of last night, I no longer get ESPN-HD via clear QAM. Still get ESPN2-HD via QAM. Anyone else in G'boro still getting ESPN-HD in the clear?

jacksonian

04-10-07, 11:43 AM

So they put ESPN2-HD on TWC? I haven't seen it yet. What channel #?

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it. 556

jacksonian

04-10-07, 11:52 AM

Here is the reply I got-

Maybe the HD pack is only going to be unique HD channels - not HD versions of existing channels. Time to cancel the HD pack??
Quite possibly. The remaining channels are definitely not worth $7/month. About the only thing I watch is "Nothing But Trailers" on HDNet, and they seem to have taken away "In Theaters" on INHD when they merged 1 & 2. Those were both good shows for HD a/v candy movie trailers.

Donniewb420

04-10-07, 12:23 PM

Quite possibly. The remaining channels are definitely not worth $7/month. About the only thing I watch is "Nothing But Trailers" on HDNet, and they seem to have taken away "In Theaters" on INHD when they merged 1 & 2. Those were both good shows for HD a/v candy movie trailers.

It will be interesting to see what channels they add to this "HD Pack" I doubt the notion that they will only put specialty channels in the tier(i.e. channels that dont already have an SD version.) will happen, I cant see them still having only 3 channels and asking for 7 dollars, unless they decide to charge 3 bucks or so for the pack. Are there any other HD channels that dont have an SD already on the system, that we dont have? Obviously if they go by this notion, A and E, Nat Geo, Mtv, Versus/Golf. all these hd would be in the free hd tier....

pwrmetal

04-10-07, 03:07 PM

Donniewb420

04-10-07, 04:58 PM

Called Triad TWC today to cancel the HD Pack. Asked the woman to confirm that ESPN1/2HD were now available without the HD Pack. She said yes ESPN2HD is available now and that ESPNHD would be that way "this week". Not sure what she's talking about since everyone seems to already get ESPNHD without the HD Pack now.

I then asked about Versus/Golf HD, My48, and CW20. She indicated that for all of these (and ESPNU which I didn't even ask about) that "negotiations are in progress". They do love that answer. So nothing helpful on those fronts. I assume non news on any of them until they magically show up on the dial.

I actually meant to ask if they were going to add anything to the HD Pack to make it more appealing, but forgot. I am sure I would have been told "we are in negotiations" with lots of new networks for that tier. ;)

Thanx for the update, I sent an email to Jack Stanley the piedmont triads branch president, asking about versus/golf HD, etc no reply, that was two days ago. Im debating cancelling that hd pack as well, but I do like a lot of the programming on inhd and hdnet.. we will all cancel and then they will add all this great stuff at a higher price, but the saps who chose to keep it will mantain the lower price;) just watch...