Anyone know when TWC will add MASN? Also, will they be adding MASN HD?


This is the latest I've seen on MASN/TWC from back on 10/31.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/10/31/article/time_warner_will_appeal_mid_atlantic_sports_ruling

Time Warner Cable says it will appeal the ruling by a Federal Communications Commission official that it must carry the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network on basic cable.

The News & Observer reported Friday that Time Warner spokeswoman Melissa Buscher said the company will appeal to the full commission.

Time Warner was ordered by the chief of the FCC's Media Bureau to begin carrying MASN on basic cable within 30 days.

No word on HD but no that there are two MASN HD channels. The primary one is used when just one of Orioles/Nationals are playing. However, if both are playing at the same time a MASN alternate channel is turned on. I know Directv offers both MASN HD and MASN HD Alternate on a part time game only basis. I don't know if any other provider offer both.

Just an FYI to those who care. We have begun to receive our transmitter conversion parts for our aux transmitter that we will put on the air the night of February 17/18. Not sure when the rest will come in or when we will start conversion of the aux transmitter yet but I am pushing for an overnight test of it when we get it up and running. If that happens, I will let you know when.

Does anyone have a Channel Master 4228 they would be willing to part with? There is a guy here at the station who is looking for one for his house.

FYI for those who are into college sports. This weeks Clemson at Virginia game will be on WGHP. It will NOT BE IN HD. We are not set up for Raycom HD at this time since we are not a regular Raycom network station. I am not sure of why the change of stations but as far as I know, this is a one time deal for us. Just letting you know ahead of time.

FYI for those who are into college sports. This weeks Clemson at Virginia game will be on WGHP. It will NOT BE IN HD. We are not set up for Raycom HD at this time since we are not a regular Raycom network station. I am not sure of why the change of stations but as far as I know, this is a one time deal for us. Just letting you know ahead of time.


Raycom is carrying two games this week. The UNC/NC State game is the other one. I'm guessing since it will be shown on the regular Raycom affiliate that they wanted to get the other Raycom game on somewhere.

Well spoke to TWC today and now they say they have no idea when Navigator will launch here.They said the Oct 1 date they had stated was now a non starter and everything about Navigator here was back to stage one whatever that meant.Once again TWC speaking from boths sides of it mouth.Now that they have stated no date to launch we probably will get it next week/(Just Jokeing).One inept csr i spoke to on my phone journey said she thought we were geting Passport.LOL

A couple of things including recent changes from TWC

1) TWC QAM channels have changed again as they add new HD channels. We did have the ESPN's for a short time 11/17/08.
2) I want to know why they (TWC) keep adding all these fluff HD channels when we really want Channels like FOX news.
3) I live off the west side of Winston and have a CM 4220 in the attic pointed about 190 degrees. I get all the Charlotte network Channels including HD SOC 9 with HD news. I also get all the Winston-Greensboro-High Point stations and of course the CW and others. No pre-amp, just the antenna. One Sunday morning I had Columbia SC 10 and WSPA in Spartanburg, SC. It must be the altitude at 800 feet.

Well spoke to TWC today and now they say they have no idea when Navigator will launch here.They said the Oct 1 date they had stated was now a non starter and everything about Navigator here was back to stage one whatever that meant.Once again TWC speaking from boths sides of it mouth.Now that they have stated no date to launch we probably will get it next week/(Just Jokeing).One inept csr i spoke to on my phone journey said she thought we were geting Passport.LOL

Just give me the tuning adapter and I am ready to switch to Tivo HD!!!!!!!

A couple of things including recent changes from TWC

1) TWC QAM channels have changed again as they add new HD channels. We did have the ESPN's for a short time 11/17/08.
2) I want to know why they (TWC) keep adding all these fluff HD channels when we really want Channels like FOX news.
3) I live off the west side of Winston and have a CM 4220 in the attic pointed about 190 degrees. I get all the Charlotte network Channels including HD SOC 9 with HD news. I also get all the Winston-Greensboro-High Point stations and of course the CW and others. No pre-amp, just the antenna. One Sunday morning I had Columbia SC 10 and WSPA in Spartanburg, SC. It must be the altitude at 800 feet.
WE dont want Fox News HD.......I know NC is Typically a "Red" State.......but This Area thanks to the Colleges(3 HBCU's) is HIGHLY Democrat and many of the people in this area prefer CNN over Fox.......simply because its not COMPLETE Bias.......but I know its a select few people that want Fox News HD........I'd figure the Triangle Area(Raleigh/Durham) gets it first tho.....

WE dont want Fox News HD.......I know NC is Typically a "Red" State.......but This Area thanks to the Colleges(3 HBCU's) is HIGHLY Democrat and many of the people in this area prefer CNN over Fox.......simply because its not COMPLETE Bias.......but I know its a select few people that want Fox News HD........I'd figure the Triangle Area(Raleigh/Durham) gets it first tho.....

OK we get it BUT you already have CNN-HD. Those same college students also manage to vote for local bond issues which raise my property taxes even though they are only here temporarily.

There are some of us who would like a little HD balance to the blue state leanings of CNN. We want FOX-HD. By the way I think it is a little more than a "select few" as you assert.

I would also like to see USA-HD, FX-HD and Lifetime-HD added to TWs lineup.

WE dont want Fox News HD.......I know NC is Typically a "Red" State.......but This Area thanks to the Colleges(3 HBCU's) is HIGHLY Democrat and many of the people in this area prefer CNN over Fox.......simply because its not COMPLETE Bias.......but I know its a select few people that want Fox News HD........I'd figure the Triangle Area(Raleigh/Durham) gets it first tho.....

I am not going to get into a debate with you, but the ratings state different. FOX News Channel beats CNN nationwide as well as here in NC and CNN's election bump has already started to retreat, FOX is still strong. The Nielsen data reflects that and it stands on its own.

In the metro areas of the Triangle and Charlotte, where you have more younger people who are from out of state, they tend to lean more liberal, but in the rest of the state, the population is still pretty conservative, even those who put D's behind their names. Remember it took many a Democrat to elect Jesse Helms for all those years as well as Richard Burr and even Elizabeth Dole, all Republicans. Dole lost the election for two reasons, the blue collar vote in the eastern part of the state didn't support her as they had in 2002 because she didn't do anything, even Republicans were ticked off at her and her anti-religion ad against her opponent. In NC, you don't mess with God and she should have known that if she really knew her voters, which of course, she didn't. The vote provided it. North Carolina is still pretty Red and their viewing habits reflects that.

Enough said on this topic.

Foxeng,

I don't think that topic could have been said any better! I know that since I've gotten FNC in HD that I have been watching it quite often, and I don't see this one sided bias that many seem to. I don't always think that their method of shouting at the guests is "journalism", but on covering the issues of this past election, I think they got the points across for both sides. As a matter of fact, if McCain had payed attention to them at all, he would have done much better, Obama did just that and won big of course. I will say that I thought they were very protective of the current Prez, but iI have seen them take that route already with the new elect also. I hardly ever watch CNN. I never watch NBC.:eek:

To state no one wants FOX NEWS HD is showing you only want one side of a story.I watch both CNN and FOX NEWS.Lately FOX really has seemed more fair and balance then the other networks.Rateings back me up.TIME WARNER please add FOX NEWS HD.A lot of us DO WANT IT NOW.

Here's the latest/recent TWC HD changes from their page (no sign of Fox News HD yet, but I would assume it's a matter of when not if since TW has the rights to it):

Jan. 13, 2009: Cinemax East HD, Cinemax West HD, Starz HD, The Movie Channel HD and HD Pay-Per-View launch (channels to be determined).

Dec. 18, 2008: Fox Sports Carolinas HD launches (channel to be determined).

Dec. 8, 2008: Versus HD and Golf Channel HD becomes two separate channels. Versus HD goes to Channel 572 while Golf Channel HD remains on Channel 569.

Nov. 20, 2008: The following channels are added:

* Sprout launches as part of Digital Specialty Networks on Channel 147.
* MGM replaces MOJO as part of HD Pack on Channel 560.
* NBA Team HD launches on Channel 314 for NBA League Pass subscribers.
* MLB/NHL Game HD launches on Channel 359 for NHL Center Ice and MLB Extra Innings subscribers.

To state no one wants FOX NEWS HD is showing you only want one side of a story.I watch both CNN and FOX NEWS.Lately FOX really has seemed more fair and balance then the other networks.Rateings back me up.TIME WARNER please add FOX NEWS HD.A lot of us DO WANT IT NOW.

FOX & Friends in HD is really nice, especially on the weekends!! :D (D* loves me!)

Lets see, Time Warner ownes CNN. Fox News is a major competitor and the 4th highest rated cable channel nationally. I wonder why they havn't added it. Instead they give us Sprout TV.

Lets see, Time Warner ownes CNN. Fox News is a major competitor and the 4th highest rated cable channel nationally. I wonder why they havn't added it. Instead they give us Sprout TV.

I did not know CNN was still on the air. I thought it went the way of Air America. :)

FYI. Scott Fybush, who runs the website http://www.fybush.com and features a different broadcast tower site each week has seen fit to grace his website with WGHP this week!

Scott was through the area October 2007 and was kind enough to stop by one afternoon while we were in the 5 o'clock news and snapped some pictures at the studios and the transmitter site. Some of those pictures he has placed on his website. And no, I am not in any of them, and a good thing too. I didn't want to have to pay for a new camera for Scott! :D

Anyway, if you are inclined to, check it out. A lot of it is about to change on February 17th!! Scott was very gracious when he visited and took in all the sights that you can in a couple hour visit. He also recorded many of the radio stations for their legal ID's and they are on a different site he is connected with http://www.tophour.com. He is quite a Renaissance man when it comes to broadcasting and a really nice guy. It was very enjoyable to have him at the station that afternoon. I wish we had more time and not so rushed. But I did get to take him to Henry James Bar-b-que on South Main in High Point. He is quite a fan of southern bar-b-que, like many from the north I have met. I hope he gets a chance to stop by again some time I will take him to Stamey's Bar-b-que.

Scott does lurk AVSForum; so if you are reading Scott, thanks for the promotion to CE! (where is the bump in the money?!) I am only the lowly Transmitter Supervisor. I am sure the real CE will appreciate that! :D

Good news!Even thou we do not have it here Navigator has just had a major upgrade.What has been added is new high resolution graphics that get rid of some of the blue color on it with a more peaseing brown.Also added is the Tivo like feature of series priority management that lets you set the priority of the way yo want your series to record in event of a conflict.Also the Passport and Sara time slot recording feature has been reintroduced.No mamual recording or keyword search yet but hey are moveing in the right direction on Navigator.

Happy Thanksgiving from all of us at FOX8 WGHP!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Those of you with DirecTV HD, there are reports that HD channels that are 720p will every so often have a clitch or a horizontal shift of one frame. I have seen it on the national channels and some in other markets are saying they are seeing it on the local FOX and ABC stations as well. I have not seen it on us but if you have or are seeing it, please post here so I can get it into the queue at DirecTV to get it fixed.

Thanks

I get it on the ESPNHD channels definitely. I have also noticed it on other channels that I don't recall specifically, but with the motion on ESPN it makes the frame slip very noticeable.

TWC has updated their site showing what the #s of the new HD channels will be. (All these channels had already been announced before.)

Upcoming and Recent Channel Lineup Changes

Jan. 13, 2009: The following channels are added:

* Pay-Per-View HD: Channel 202
* Starz HD: Channel 447
* Cinemax East HD: Channel 448
* Cinemax West HD: Channel 449
* The Movie Channel HD: Channel 450

Jan. 1, 2009: MLB Network launches on Channel 144.

Dec. 31, 2008: Elections '08 On Demand is removed from Channel 1103.

Dec. 18, 2008: Fox Sports Carolinas HD launches on Channel 591.

Dec. 8, 2008: Versus HD and Golf Channel HD becomes two separate channels. Versus HD goes to Channel 572 while Golf Channel HD remains on Channel 569.

Those of you with DirecTV HD, there are reports that HD channels that are 720p will every so often have a clitch or a horizontal shift of one frame. I have seen it on the national channels and some in other markets are saying they are seeing it on the local FOX and ABC stations as well. I have not seen it on us but if you have or are seeing it, please post here so I can get it into the queue at DirecTV to get it fixed.

Thanks

I haven't noticed this but I'll be on the look out for it

Dec. 8, 2008: Versus HD and Golf Channel HD becomes two separate channels. Versus HD goes to Channel 572 while Golf Channel HD remains on Channel 569.

This split is suppose to occur on Directv tomorrow (12/3).

Looks like we are about to get another digital OTA station in the Triad. I see where Reidsville low power TV station WGSR-LP has been granted 15 kW on channel 47 on the WGPX tower south of Reidsville. The coverage map looks like it will make it to north High Point and eastern Winston-Salem which is about 4 times that of their analog coverage area on channel 39.I know they have been pushing hard for years to get on TWC and it looks like they will finally make it now.

Don't know what they plan on programming since they really don't have anything now just a bunch of 3rd and 4th tier programs. They have a "news" program in the afternoons, but from what I have heard, they basically stir up trouble and call it news. A year or two ago one of the people they went after broke in the station during a newscast and threatened the anchor, ON AIR. That may work in Reidsville, but I don't see it working else where in the market. (TMZ of the Triad?)

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/LD1271932.gif

WGSR merged with Channel 18 on Martinsville Henry County cable systems. Channel 18 used to be "Cable 6," who, in my opinion, used to take great pride in stirring up local trouble without reesolving anything. We now get both WGSR and Channel 18. Right now WGSR is supposed to be showing "Let's Talk Dirt" but are actually showing the Reidsville Christmas parade.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that both use secondhand analog equipment of dubious quality (or poorly calibrated and aligned).

Those of you with DirecTV HD, there are reports that HD channels that are 720p will every so often have a clitch or a horizontal shift of one frame. I have seen it on the national channels and some in other markets are saying they are seeing it on the local FOX and ABC stations as well. I have not seen it on us but if you have or are seeing it, please post here so I can get it into the queue at DirecTV to get it fixed.

Thanks

Hey,

What does this shift look like? A frame missing at times? Could it be related to specific D* hardware? I spend time over on DBS Talk and there is no end of complaints but in my case my HR 21-100's have had no problems, well except the one universal problem with the NR software update a few months back.

Joe

It looks like the entire image moves 1/16" to the right in about 1/4 a second. It happens at least once every five minutes.

At this point, the national 720p channels are well documented. I am looking for info if you see it on WGHP or WXLV. That is what we need to pass on to D*.

Here are a few examples of what is actually happening from the Programming thread on the topic:

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5804/dsc00328jv1.jpg
ESPN

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7960/picture006hg3.jpg
WABC

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=125783&d=1228298135
FOX News Channel

WGSR merged with Channel 18 on Martinsville Henry County cable systems. Channel 18 used to be "Cable 6," who, in my opinion, used to take great pride in stirring up local trouble without reesolving anything. We now get both WGSR and Channel 18. Right now WGSR is supposed to be showing "Let's Talk Dirt" but are actually showing the Reidsville Christmas parade.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that both use secondhand analog equipment of dubious quality (or poorly calibrated and aligned).

Actually I understand it is the newspaper in Martinsville that owns WGSR and Cable Channel 18 in Martinsville. I know WGSR takes the stand that they cover the news the rest of us "big guys" ignore, but to be honest, from what I have seen from their "stream" and YouTube, I don't know, I don't see many new viewers outside of their Reidsville environs wanting to watch. I do expect they will play the "must carry" card to gain access not only with TWC but DirecTV and Dish. They already have a YouTube spot running about how D* tells people they have all the local stations but they don't carry WGSR so D* is lying to the public. Nice way to make friends when it is you who needs the favor. :confused:

The newspaper, "The Buzz" hasn't published in several years. There were at least six parts to "Roark Media," of which the the Buzz was one. The Buzz stopped publishing when they were sued for slander.

Our area's best rumor is that a company looking to build a factory here checked into a motel, saw "Cable 6", and left town the next day without even meeting with local development folk.

TWC has updated their site showing what the #s of the new HD channels will be. (All these channels had already been announced before.)

Upcoming and Recent Channel Lineup Changes

Jan. 13, 2009: The following channels are added:

* Pay-Per-View HD: Channel 202
* Starz HD: Channel 447
* Cinemax East HD: Channel 448
* Cinemax West HD: Channel 449
* The Movie Channel HD: Channel 450

Jan. 1, 2009: MLB Network launches on Channel 144.

Dec. 31, 2008: Elections '08 On Demand is removed from Channel 1103.

Dec. 18, 2008: Fox Sports Carolinas HD launches on Channel 591.

Dec. 8, 2008: Versus HD and Golf Channel HD becomes two separate channels. Versus HD goes to Channel 572 while Golf Channel HD remains on Channel 569.

I read on the Time Warner thread that several other divisions have announced plans to add SciFi and USA in HD possibly on or after 12/28/08. I emailed Greensboro Time Warner for the umpteenth time asking about those channels and received a reply saying ten HD channels will be added. The channel numbers given in their email don't match the existing HD channel range and we already have Speed HD on a different channel, so something's off, but it's an improvement on the usual 'no plans at this time'. (Yes DirecTV is better and likely has all these, but they don't offer HD locals to my zipcode. :)) Here's the email, make of it what you will:

Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable Support.

As per your email, I understand that you want to know whether there are any plans to add Sci-Fi HD
and USA HD this month.

Please be assured I will try my best to address your concern.

As per our resources , we would like to inform you that 10 new HD channels are being added :

USA- Ch. 1039

SCI-FI- Ch. 1063

CNBC- Ch. 1029

BRAVO- Ch. 1068

FX- Ch. 1062

SPEED- Ch.1201

CARTOON NETWORK- Ch. 1058

FOX BUSINESS NETWORK- Ch. 1232

CBS COLLEGE SPORTS- Ch. 1212

TMC- Ch. 1390

For more information on the channel line-up updates in your location , please click on the link
given below : http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html

Those channel #s definitely seem off, although I know they have duplicate SD channels up in the 1000's. Hopefully, we really will get those channels soon. Once those are added, the only channel left for me to long for will be BBC America HD (when it launches).

Those channel #s definitely seem off, although I know they have duplicate SD channels up in the 1000's. Hopefully, we really will get those channels soon. Once those are added, the only channel left for me to long for will be BBC America HD (when it launches).

I wrote back asking for clarification and was told the channel numbers might be different depending on my area but that the channels were being added tonight. Seems even less likely but I guess we'll know soon enough.

I wrote back asking for clarification and was told the channel numbers might be different depending on my area but that the channels were being added tonight. Seems even less likely but I guess we'll know soon enough.

Now I am very skeptical. I would love to be proven wrong though! :)

I read on the Time Warner thread that several other divisions have announced plans to add SciFi and USA in HD possibly on or after 12/28/08. I emailed Greensboro Time Warner for the umpteenth time asking about those channels and received a reply saying ten HD channels will be added. The channel numbers given in their email don't match the existing HD channel range and we already have Speed HD on a different channel, so something's off, but it's an improvement on the usual 'no plans at this time'. (Yes DirecTV is better and likely has all these, but they don't offer HD locals to my zipcode. :)) Here's the email, make of it what you will:

Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable Support.

As per your email, I understand that you want to know whether there are any plans to add Sci-Fi HD
and USA HD this month.

Please be assured I will try my best to address your concern.

As per our resources , we would like to inform you that 10 new HD channels are being added :

USA- Ch. 1039

SCI-FI- Ch. 1063

CNBC- Ch. 1029

BRAVO- Ch. 1068

FX- Ch. 1062

SPEED- Ch.1201

CARTOON NETWORK- Ch. 1058

FOX BUSINESS NETWORK- Ch. 1232

CBS COLLEGE SPORTS- Ch. 1212

TMC- Ch. 1390

For more information on the channel line-up updates in your location , please click on the link
given below : http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html


This does not make a lot of sense. I have a feeling that this is a joke. You would think that TWC gets tired of hearing from customers asking when they are going to add channels, that someone at TWC has a sick sense of humor here and just made this up. None of the channels there match up for any of the Carolinas TWC channel lineups and none of this is mention anywhere on the channel lineup changes page. I could be wrong, because TWC has added channels before in the past and update their webpage after the fact. I too, would love to see Sci Fi, USA, and FX in HD.

Apparently 'joke' was the correct call. Nothing was added last night (no surprise). I just love Time Warner Cable customer service.

Apparently 'joke' was the correct call. Nothing was added last night (no surprise). I just love Time Warner Cable customer service.

Have you emailed the guy back and asked "What the hell?"?? :)

Have you emailed the guy back and asked "What the hell?"?? :)

Forward the email to a supervisor. :) That guy should get coal in his stocking for that. LOL

Have you emailed the guy back and asked "What the hell?"?? :)

Absolutely, but the third reply was the most incomprehensible yet. Supposedly these channels ARE up now, but only in an unspecified certain location. However the channels hope to be available in our area soon, whatever that means. Maybe they're currently in test and she thinks they're live.


Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable Support.

I understand that you want to know about the HD channels added to the line -up.

We do apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. Please be assured I will try my best to address
your concern.

As per the information received by you, the HD channels have been added but only in certain location
but hope to be available in your area soon.
For more information on additions of channels in your location please click on the link given :
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html. For the current
channels in your location please click on the link given :
http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=406&Zip=27302&Image1.x=18&Imag
e1.y=3

Absolutely, but the third reply was the most incomprehensible yet. Supposedly these channels ARE up now, but only in an unspecified certain location. However the channels hope to be available in our area soon, whatever that means. Maybe they're currently in test and she thinks they're live.


Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable Support.

I understand that you want to know about the HD channels added to the line -up.

We do apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. Please be assured I will try my best to address
your concern.

As per the information received by you, the HD channels have been added but only in certain location
but hope to be available in your area soon.
For more information on additions of channels in your location please click on the link given :
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html. For the current
channels in your location please click on the link given :
http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=406&Zip=27302&Image1.x=18&Imag
e1.y=3

Which Time Warner support are you emailing? Those channel numbers are for Kansas City where the channels were added on Tuesday.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/kansascity/aboutus/legalnotice.html

Which Time Warner support are you emailing? Those channel numbers are for Kansas City where the channels were added on Tuesday.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/kansascity/aboutus/legalnotice.html

I emailed the Greensboro office, and the reply came from there. The channels being live in Kansas City and promised in NYC was my reason for contacting the local office in the first place, but I didn't notice that she was listing KC's exact channel numbers. That makes me think that even though the email said it was coming from Greensboro, the sender was somewhere else. Maybe India ... Anyway, I give up. I should have known better than to ask. :)

I emailed the Greensboro office, and the reply came from there. The channels being live in Kansas City and promised in NYC was my reason for contacting the local office in the first place, but I didn't notice that she was listing KC's exact channel numbers. That makes me think that even though the email said it was coming from Greensboro, the sender was somewhere else. Maybe India ... Anyway, I give up. I should have known better than to ask. :)


I emailed someone within public relations for TWC in the Carolinas and they said the currently plan is to add the channels here in the 1st quarter of 2009. Luckly the 1st quarter of 2009 is only a month away.

I emailed someone within public relations for TWC in the Carolinas and they said the currently plan is to add the channels here in the 1st quarter of 2009. Luckly the 1st quarter of 2009 is only a month away.

Or four! :) :(

Or four! :) :(

I contacted TWC Greensboro cable office.They now say Navigator will be added the first quarter of next year.This was the same office that said Navigator would be added starting in Oct.It seems they always want to cast it it just a bit more in the future.The fact is SARA just had a major upgrade which we did not receive.It seems to me Navigator is closer than we think.But I could be wrong it's TWC i'm guessing about.

I contacted TWC Greensboro cable office.They now say Navigator will be added the first quarter of next year.This was the same office that said Navigator would be added starting in Oct.It seems they always want to cast it it just a bit more in the future.The fact is SARA just had a major upgrade which we did not receive.It seems to me Navigator is closer than we think.But I could be wrong it's TWC i'm guessing about.

I just spent the weekend at my in-law's house in Wilmington. They have a non-DVR Navigator cable box, and I was really struggling with it. Since I don't have all of their channel lineup memorized, I was constantly scrolling through the channels via the INFO bar at the bottom to see what was what and what was on, and the lag was just ridiculous. I really hope the DVRs run it better or I may have to seriously reconsider other options sooner than I had planned. It would be ironic (to me) if just when TWC is close to having 100% of the HD channels I want, they force me to switch due to higher rates and an idiotic software change to their boxes.

Just remember that TWC Wilmington is run out of TWC Greensboro so it is the very same people running both systems.

Had to exchange a faulty remote at local TWC office today.I asked about HD channels and Navigator.Usually just get a blank stare.On this occasion the csr looked in her computer and said "on Jan. 13 the Greensboro and triad TWC will launch Navigator as well as Scifi hd channel,USA hd,FXhd and several other hd channels.I asked and she replied yes we only get notification when a launch is pending.So there we have it for what it's worth.Jan. 13 could be interesting.

Had to exchange a faulty remote at local TWC office today.I asked about HD channels and Navigator.Usually just get a blank stare.On this occasion the csr looked in her computer and said "on Jan. 13 the Greensboro and triad TWC will launch Navigator as well as Scifi hd channel,USA hd,FXhd and several other hd channels.I asked and she replied yes we only get notification when a launch is pending.So there we have it for what it's worth.Jan. 13 could be interesting.
same thing they told me when I called........wonder if they are gonna stick to that......

I was settling down to watch Flyers-Isles on VSHD and my box is telling me that I'm not authorized and to call to get the channel, it is doing the same thing on Golf. Does anybody know if these channels were switched to the Sports Package? I've sent TWC an e-mail, but I trust the advice here much more.

Thanks for your help

same thing they told me when I called........wonder if they are gonna stick to that......

They may.Before I had to speak to someone other than CSR on counter.Counter staff knew nothing now they seemto know all about Navigator and HD content so it must be true.

I was settling down to watch Flyers-Isles on VSHD and my box is telling me that I'm not authorized and to call to get the channel, it is doing the same thing on Golf. Does anybody know if these channels were switched to the Sports Package? I've sent TWC an e-mail, but I trust the advice here much more.

Thanks for your help

I checked those channels and they are coming in. You may want to call TWC and get them to refresh your cable box.

Had to exchange a faulty remote at local TWC office today.I asked about HD channels and Navigator.Usually just get a blank stare.On this occasion the csr looked in her computer and said "on Jan. 13 the Greensboro and triad TWC will launch Navigator as well as Scifi hd channel,USA hd,FXhd and several other hd channels.I asked and she replied yes we only get notification when a launch is pending.So there we have it for what it's worth.Jan. 13 could be interesting.

Great to hear about the extra HD channels. I have pretty much given up on TWC and Navigator. I am waiting for them to come out with the tuning adapter and I am going to get a Tivo HD. :) I went ahead and pre-ordered the tuning adapter last month and I got an email from TWC saying that the adapter should be available my mid-December. So, it should be any day now.

Interesting. The web site has been showing new channels being added on Jan 13th, but right now it's all PPV/Premium HD channels. Will they update the page before Jan 13th?

Interesting. The web site has been showing new channels being added on Jan 13th, but right now it's all PPV/Premium HD channels. Will they update the page before Jan 13th?

I hope so but the TWC here in Greensboro a bit slow on website updates.But I did get my information straight from the TWC office here in Greensboro.

I hope so but the TWC here in Greensboro a bit slow on website updates.But I did get my information straight from the TWC office here in Greensboro.

I believe this Fall all HD updates were announced on the web site before being added, so I'll be watching the site closely. I would be pleased if we get those channels so soon. Navigator? Not so much.

I believe this Fall all HD updates were announced on the web site before being added, so I'll be watching the site closely. I would be pleased if we get those channels so soon. Navigator? Not so much.

From all the reports on the NAVIGATOR link it has improved greatly.If we get the latest version it has most of the fetures we all want.Series priority feature,airtime(time slot)recordingto us SARA users,keyboard search and new colorful enhansed graphics.If we get the older version then it's a bust.

They may.Before I had to speak to someone other than CSR on counter.Counter staff knew nothing now they seemto know all about Navigator and HD content so it must be true.

I called TWC today and asked for the CSR I spoke to the other day.She was off.I asked the same questions I asked her in person to the csr on the phone.Might as well have been speaking to a zombie.Person knew nothing and had no idea how to find answers to my questions about Navigator and HD channels.This is what is so darn(being nice)frustrating about dealing with Time Warner.One day you get someone who seems to care and have some facts and next day you get to talk to a zombie.GRRRRRRRR

Trying to troubleshoot a technical issue from thousands of miles away - typical.

Did TWC in Greensboro kill the analog SD Channels above 27 or so and take them digital to clear up more space for HD?

I called TWC today and asked for the CSR I spoke to the other day.She was off.I asked the same questions I asked her in person to the csr on the phone.Might as well have been speaking to a zombie.Person knew nothing and had no idea how to find answers to my questions about Navigator and HD channels.This is what is so darn(being nice)frustrating about dealing with Time Warner.One day you get someone who seems to care and have some facts and next day you get to talk to a zombie.GRRRRRRRR
They need to get it together man........its ridiculous.......I want my channels......

Trying to troubleshoot a technical issue from thousands of miles away - typical.

Did TWC in Greensboro kill the analog SD Channels above 27 or so and take them digital to clear up more space for HD?

Not yet. Sounds like the tuner is looking off air and not cable.

They need to get it together man........its ridiculous.......I want my channels......

I have given up trying to get information from Time Warner Greensboro.Whatever happens happens.I guess this is their plan THEY WON I GUESS>GRRRRRRR

Hey just looked at the Time Warner website>The Chiller channel to be added on Jan. 18.Not sure if it's HD or Digital.

Hey just looked at the Time Warner website>The Chiller channel to be added on Jan. 18.Not sure if it's HD or Digital.

Since it will be on channel 148, I think it's clearly not HD and in the digital tier.

Not yet. Sounds like the tuner is looking off air and not cable.

You will love this story - and everyone here should take note.

Apparently someone. most likely a grandchild over Thanksgiving, hit the rescan button on the TV. They got tired of waiting and stopped it at Channel 27.

So of course, Now the cable is broken, right? They call TWC. TWC sends out tech. He checks it and says there is nothing wrong with the cable.

The TWC Service Person says the tuner is broken, but says he will come back after hours and "fix" the tuner issue on his own and they can just pay him directly. Said he was going to call Monday and did not call. Called Tuesday and said he got tied up, would come over Wednesday. They never heard from him (luckily).

They called me yesterday and said "the TV tuner is broken", confirmed by the TWC Tech (did not tell me about the other stuff). So I posted the question about moving analog channels to Digital.

Only today do I get "the rest of this saga".

When I heard this, I pretty much knew what was going on and it was a scam. Told them what to do and its working again in 3 minutes.

Nice little scam the TWC techs are running on older people that don't know anything about electronics, huh?

Perhaps Fox News might want to do a little "investigative reporting" on this one.

On another note, they are paying $58.77 for analog service only?

WTF!

Is TWC really gouging this badly for analog service with no STBs or DVRs? Sounds like the scam starts at TWC.

No audio from WFMY for today's Panther game. I've checked OTA as well as cable. I believe at one point the cable SD channel had audio, but it's out now too.

No audio from WFMY for today's Panther game. I've checked OTA as well as cable. I believe at one point the cable SD channel had audio, but it's out now too.
No audio from D* either.

its back on at 439

Same here. No audio on WFMY, both on D* and OTA. Thanks to my attic antenna (one that was recommended by an engineer at WGHP :) , I am watching with audio on WBTV Charlotte.

Joe

Now we have audio but no HD, OTA and cable. Not a banner day for WFMY.

EDIT: Back in HD with audio! :)

Well audio is back on WFMY, but now the video is SD. Nevermind just switched to HD.

Now the audio is down in level on the order of 20 dB on WFMY vs. WBTV. Weird.

I am getting lots of the background sounds but very very low out of the front channel.....grrrrr

Well, we've had a few minutes of correct video and audio now, so hopefully they have all their issues fixed. :)

I have had no audio problems on the Panthers game. I use the radio audio!! :D

Hey everyone -- just stumbled on this thread. I was thinking of getting an HD antenna to pick up locals -- any recommendations on setup? I currently have D* and can get an AM21. I live about 10 miles north of Greensboro. About the best I can do is mount an antenna to the ceiling in the attic, or outside but on the ground. I'm guessing the attic is a better place. I'm not sure if the signal quality I'd get would warrant the hassle of an install ... any suggestions? Thx!

I have had no audio problems on the Panthers game. I use the radio audio!! :D

(biting and swallowing tongue...) Let's just say I would rather have muted audio than listen to the Panther radio crew. :)

(biting and swallowing tongue...) Let's just say I would rather have muted audio than listen to the Panther radio crew. :)

Mick has learned to just call plays and let Eugene and Jim "do the show." When he started doing that, it got MUCH better. Besides, I can't stand the TV announcers since most don't know anything about the Panthers and will talk incessantly about the opposing team, even when the Panthers are killing them. The wife and I would rather just not listen to them.

A few years ago I bought a box called DelayPlay Radio off the net. It will delay the audio from a radio or other source for up to 16 seconds to match the video. Works great with the HD delay and the delay via sat. It has been worth the $150 I paid for it not to listen to "Ole Baldie" and company.

A few years ago I bought a box called DelayPlay Radio off the net. It will delay the audio from a radio or other source for up to 16 seconds to match the video. Works great with the HD delay and the delay via sat. It has been worth the $150 I paid for it not to listen to "Ole Baldie" and company.

I might check into that. I can't stand listening to the TV announcers during Carolina basketball games. Especially Dick Vitale. I much rather listen to Woody but I didn't want to deal with the fact that radio would be far ahead of the TV broadcast.

Mick has learned to just call plays and let Eugene and Jim "do the show."

Of the 3 I definitely like Jim the best. Mick is... well never mind. I just don't understand the hiring of Mick when the Panthers had Steve R. who was FANTASTIC and they inexplicably fired him.


A few years ago I bought a box called DelayPlay Radio off the net. It will delay the audio from a radio or other source for up to 16 seconds to match the video. Works great with the HD delay and the delay via sat. It has been worth the $150 I paid for it not to listen to "Ole Baldie" and company.

Now THAT is a cool idea. I definitely would prefer radio audio during college basketball season.

Here is the URL for it:

http://delayplayradio.com/

I just LOVE mine and all I use it for is NFL.

Here is a testimonial from their webpage:

Chapel Hill, NC

"A huge part of the loyalty associated with Carolina basketball is the desire of many fans to hear the radio broadcasts while watching the TV coverage. In an era of satellite transmission delays they have that opportunity with the use of DelayPlay."

Woody Durham
Voice of the Tar Heels

On a different note, DirecTV is(was) to have changed the SD LIL channels from analog to digital in the Triad. I haven't checked yet to see if they actually did.

Also, TWC is now taking our fiber feed for analog ONLY if you have a converter box. If you plug in your analog TV and dial up channel 10, it is still our off air. Don't know what the deal there is.

Here is the URL for it:

http://delayplayradio.com/

I just LOVE mine and all I use it for is NFL.


Ah, I was puzzled as to how they could possibly make this work with an integrated radio tuner (they can't). Too bad.

Ah, I was puzzled as to how they could possibly make this work with an integrated radio tuner (they can't). Too bad.

Any radio with audio outputs will work. I just happen to have a 30 year old tuner off of an old stereo system I had when I was in college and run it into my intergrated amp in one of the open inputs. Works just fine. You could use a portable radio, as long as it had audio outputs on it.

I must be a glutton for punishment.I went on the Time Warner website and asked about Navigator in Greensboro.I was told they are deploying it this week and all should have it by Sunday.Not holding my breath bu that is what I was told on the ask Time Warner site.

Here is the URL for it:

http://delayplayradio.com/

I just LOVE mine and all I use it for is NFL.

Here is a testimonial from their webpage:

Unfortunately, according to their web site this device is no longer available. They are working on a new version but it is not available yet. Sounds like a handy device to have around though.

Unfortunately, according to their web site this device is no longer available. They are working on a new version but it is not available yet. Sounds like a handy device to have around though.

I don't know how they could improve it. 16 seconds is plenty of time. I have never used the full 16 seconds on any game. Wished I had thought of building something like this first. Story of my life, day late, dollar short.

Here is my box sitting on top of my Samsung DTB-260H and my XM SkyFi home cradle on top of it. The delay setting is set for FOX through my D* HR20 HD receiver set for via the sat. It is about 9 secs:

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/1216080757.jpg

I must be a glutton for punishment.I went on the Time Warner website and asked about Navigator in Greensboro.I was told they are deploying it this week and all should have it by Sunday.Not holding my breath bu that is what I was told on the ask Time Warner site.

I ran this info by a TW Engineer who has been helpful to me in the past and he indicated that, in the Triad area, Navigator will be rolling out to employees for beta testing in the latter part of Jan and the version they will be testing will have the broken eSATA port fixed. That was his understanding. His best guess at this time is that they won't roll out to the customer base at large until April or May. Time will tell .... stay tuned

I ran this info by a TW Engineer who has been helpful to me in the past and he indicated that, in the Triad area, Navigator will be rolling out to employees for beta testing in the latter part of Jan and the version they will be testing will have the broken eSATA port fixed. That was his understanding. His best guess at this time is that they won't roll out to the customer base at large until April or May. Time will tell .... stay tuned

That sounds more like the truth.However on the Ask Time Warner part of the website the sales dept saying it's deploying now.However those folk have been proven info idiots in the past.Your guy seems more on target.

You know.I have a feeling that the TWC ask Time Warner site might have gotton the upgrade the Triangle folk are getting to Navigator confused with Triad deploying Navigator.Would not be the first time TWC CSR have added 2 plus 2 and came up with 5.

You know.I have a feeling that the TWC ask Time Warner site might have gotton the upgrade the Triangle folk are getting to Navigator confused with Triad deploying Navigator.Would not be the first time TWC CSR have added 2 plus 2 and came up with 5.

That makes sense. They seem to be working to combine all the local operations into one Carolinas division, plus I'm pretty sure now that emails and chats sent to the TWC Greensboro website are actually just routed to some centralized location where the person replying wouldn't know or care what the difference is between Greensboro and Raleigh (or, apparently, Kansas City ...), and replies from them are just routed back through the Greensboro server to make it look like they came from there. If I'm wrong then the folks at the Greensboro office know remarkably little about their own operation, services, pricing, etc.

That makes sense. They seem to be working to combine all the local operations into one Carolinas division, plus I'm pretty sure now that emails and chats sent to the TWC Greensboro website are actually just routed to some centralized location where the person replying wouldn't know or care what the difference is between Greensboro and Raleigh (or, apparently, Kansas City ...), and replies from them are just routed back through the Greensboro server to make it look like they came from there. If I'm wrong then the folks at the Greensboro office know remarkably little about their own operation, services, pricing, etc.

No the people at he Greensboro office actually seem DUMB.No one there seems to know anything about anything.WHAT A WAY TO RUN A OFFICE.Someone should be fired.They need a manager who actually seems to give a damn about customer service.

The Greensboro headend of TWC runs not only the Triad, but Charlotte and along the NC/SC border and Wilmington. The rest of TWC in NC is run out of Raleigh now. I have talked to the guys doing the work.

Also, DirecTV and Dish are now taking the digital signals off air of the locals and down converting them to SD for non HD subs. I confirmed DirecTV this morning and Dish is also using the same feeds for their SD subs. I also talked to TWC this morning and after Chirstmas, they plan on taking the digital signals and down convert them for their SD subs. They say they will have it done before the last DTV test on Janurary 17th.

Which reminds me, today at 6:27pm there is to be a statewide "roadblock" 2 minute DTV test, meaning all stations are supposed to do this test at the same time on the analog. As far as I know all the local stations, including WGPX are to participate. I don't know about anyone else, but we are only going to test on the analog channel and keep regular programming on the digital. We will also have Spanish available on the SAP channel as well with a double boxed Neill McNeill doing the English version and Angela Rodriguez doing the Spanish version on the SAP channel. The actual tape that will be used for the test is 2 feet in front of me as I type this.

I don't know about anyone else, but we are only going to test on the analog channel and keep regular programming on the digital. We will also have Spanish available on the SAP channel as well with a double boxed Neill McNeill doing the English version and Angela Rodriguez doing the Spanish version on the SAP channel. The actual tape that will be used for the test is 2 feet in front of me as I type this.
You should have a special tape JUST for the HD signal, or a "crawl" for the bottom of the HD trnasmission screen. It could say
"If you see this message, you are receiving the digital signal. You will not be affected when analog transmissions go off the air next February"

If DirecTV and Dish downconvert, then their subscribers will be comforted, as will the TWC cable customers once they downconvert.

Joe L.

Have been doing something on the digital side when we do the analog but research has shown once people have converted, they don't wont to be bothered with it anymore so we elected to just do it on the analog and run regular station promos on the digital for two minutes. People who have TWC cable boxes tuned to channel 10 will not see the test, but those with TVs that are not connected to cable boxes tuned to channel 10 WILL see the test. At this time TWC takes our off air channel 8 and routes it to RF channel 10 and takes our fiber optic feed and feeds it to the cable boxes as virtual channel 10. They say next month they will take the digital HD signal and downconvert it to SD and will use AFD for aspect ratio since we are passing AFD now. (Well supposedly. I have it turned on but I have never seen it work!!)

TWC sort of failed to deliver a channel they promised today. Today we were supposed to get Fox Sports Carolinas in HD. Now their website says this channel will only be on the air when an HD event is on. I am bummed. For one thing, HD channels airing SD content always look better than the SD channel's version. For another given that our local affiliates sometimes have trouble remembering to hit the switch for HD (Hello WXLV!) and, given that TWC has trouble doing... well, ANYTHING right, I have a feeling there will be some mishaps in getting this channel turned on during events too. BOO~!

Thought those of you into "stuff" might get a kick out of this picture. This is a picture of our channel 8 digital "mask" filter that we will install on our backup transmitter for Feb 17. This takes the channel 8 digital and makes sure it is indeed square and not causing interference with other stations on other channels close by. We hope to start converting the backup after first of the year now all of the parts for that transmitter is in.

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/1216081249.jpg

TWC sort of failed to deliver a channel they promised today. Today we were supposed to get Fox Sports Carolinas in HD. Now their website says this channel will only be on the air when an HD event is on. I am bummed. For one thing, HD channels airing SD content always look better than the SD channel's version. For another given that our local affiliates sometimes have trouble remembering to hit the switch for HD (Hello WXLV!) and, given that TWC has trouble doing... well, ANYTHING right, I have a feeling there will be some mishaps in getting this channel turned on during events too. BOO~!

For once it's not a TWC issue. Fox Sports Carolinas HD is not offered as a full time station by Fox Sports, thus TWC can't carry it. I think the feed comes straight from Fox Sports so no worries about TWC hitting the switch. We've had it since the 3rd here in the Triangle(They added it early because of all the outrage over a UNC game not being shown in HD on MGM like they were on MOJO.)and we haven't missed an HD football, basketball or hockey event yet. I think all the Fox Sports Channels are suppose to go full time HD in 2009.

For once it's not a TWC issue. Fox Sports Carolinas HD is not offered as a full time station by Fox Sports, thus TWC can't carry it. I think the feed comes straight from Fox Sports so no worries about TWC hitting the switch. ... I think all the Fox Sports Channels are suppose to go full time HD in 2009.

Thanks for the info! :)

Well since no one I know has gotton Navigator this week I guess that is another TWC crock of bull.I did not hold my breath when the girl said it was being deployed this week.Just wonder how TWC lets employess put rumors like this out to publlc. One again someone at TWC should be fired or educated.

If I do receive Navigator by Sunday I give a large I'm sorry.If not a large TWC business as usual.

Why doesn't TWC just offer Fox Sports South HD full time instead. Directv carries it full time and it would be the primary RSN for this area.

Why doesn't TWC just offer Fox Sports South HD full time instead. Directv carries it full time and it would be the primary RSN for this area.


Because if they did that, we wouldn't get all our localized content:

In October 2008, Fox decided to break up Fox Sports South into three separate feeds to offer more localized coverage to subscribers. Fox Sports Carolinas serves 4 million people in North and South Carolina. It airs the Charlotte Bobcats (NBA), and the Carolina Hurricanes (NHL). It also features Atlantic Coast Conference basketball and non-revenue sports. Fox Sports Tennessee serves 1.8 million people in Tennessee and northeastern Mississippi. It carries the Memphis Grizzlies (NBA) and the Nashville Predators (NHL). FSN bills these feeds as separate networks from the main FSN South feed, which serves Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky and the rest of Mississippi.[1]

Because if they did that, we wouldn't get all our localized content:

In October 2008, Fox decided to break up Fox Sports South into three separate feeds to offer more localized coverage to subscribers. Fox Sports Carolinas serves 4 million people in North and South Carolina. It airs the Charlotte Bobcats (NBA), and the Carolina Hurricanes (NHL). It also features Atlantic Coast Conference basketball and non-revenue sports. Fox Sports Tennessee serves 1.8 million people in Tennessee and northeastern Mississippi. It carries the Memphis Grizzlies (NBA) and the Nashville Predators (NHL). FSN bills these feeds as separate networks from the main FSN South feed, which serves Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky and the rest of Mississippi.[1]

Interesting info.

For ACC HD basketball games I get them on the full time Fox Sports South HD channel instead of a part time HD RSN. Bobcats and Hurricanes games come in on a channel Directv calls Fox Sports South HD Alternate which is a part time HD RSN. I guess in reality that FSS HD Alternate is really Fox Sports South Carolinas.

Interesting info.

For ACC HD basketball games I get them on the full time Fox Sports South HD channel instead of a part time HD RSN. Bobcats and Hurricanes games come in on a channel Directv calls Fox Sports South HD Alternate which is a part time HD RSN. I guess in reality that FSS HD Alternate is really Fox Sports South Carolinas.


The ACC Sunday Night Hoops is carried nationally on all the RSNs so that's why you get it on the regular Fox Sports South. Same reason we get Pac 10 games on Sunday nights sometimes. I'm guessing you are right about the alternate channel being FS Carolinas.

If I do receive Navigator by Sunday I give a large I'm sorry.If not a large TWC business as usual.

Why are you so intent on getting Navigator ASAP? Every place that has installed it, it has been a disaster.

Why are you so intent on getting Navigator ASAP? Every place that has installed it, it has been a disaster.

Not wild to get Navigator,But when TWC sends me e mail saying it's being deployed.When a CSR says it's being deployed.When I get a flyer saying it's being deployedWhen I arrange my recordings like they ask and delete some so download goes smoothly and then NOTHING HAPPENS I get mad as hell.Do you blame me..

On a non-Navigator topic, those with D* or E* for that matter, have you noticed that the local stations look better on the SD LIL channels? Since D* has switched to the digital signal for the analog boxes, I have noticed an improvement on the PQ. I used to see macroblocking alot but now, I don't see any. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed. I see the biggest difference on my SD TiVo.

Sorry for my rant but sometimes Time Warner causes my collar to steam

Not wild to get Navigator,But when TWC sends me e mail saying it's being deployed.When a CSR says it's being deployed.When I get a flyer saying it's being deployedWhen I arrange my recordings like they ask and delete some so download goes smoothly and then NOTHING HAPPENS I get mad as hell.Do you blame me..

When they tell the local systems that Navigator will start rolling out in 2Q 2008 and its an absolute disaster in the first few markets, I'd think you'd be madder than hell if they DID roll it out - as would most using it. I'd much rather not be using Navigator until more bugs are worked out.

On a non-Navigator topic, those with D* or E* for that matter, have you noticed that the local stations look better on the SD LIL channels? Since D* has switched to the digital signal for the analog boxes, I have noticed an improvement on the PQ. I used to see macroblocking alot but now, I don't see any. Just wondering if anyone else has noticed. I see the biggest difference on my SD TiVo.

What company is the local sub-contractor for D* installs in the Triad? Does anyone have the number of one of their peeps you have dealt with that might want to put up a D* 5lnb dish (paying them directly) should I decide a relative has a clear shot off the back of their house when I stop in over the Holidays?

When they tell the local systems that Navigator will start rolling out in 2Q 2008 and its an absolute disaster in the first few markets, I'd think you'd be madder than hell if they DID roll it out - as would most using it. I'd much rather not be using Navigator until more bugs are worked out.

I have had Navigator at my beach house for close to 8 months.Guess what?It has never given me a problem since day one.It is faster than sara,looks bettr and has one heck of a better search system.I can understand those comeing from passport haveing concerns over Navigator>I had passport at the beach and loved it.However I think those who have never had passport and only have had sara will find it a massive upgrade.I am speaking from a viewpoint of someone who has had all 3.

Well I almost successfully set up my mom's antenna's in ardmore. I have a U-75R pointed north and a VU-90 XR pointed SE. All the channels I expected to come in are here, with the exception of WUNL. According to antennaweb.org, I'm 32 miles away from the transmitter, but on an unsplit cable I get about 80% strength and on a 3-way split I'm down to 0%. Can anyone think of a way to get a better signal, or do I have to wait for WUNL to get a more powerful digital transmitter?

Use an amplified splitter. A 2 way splitter will drop the signal 50% and a three way will drop it 66%. Using an amplified splitter will keep the signal level the same on the output of what it is on the input.

Thanks, although I'm having trouble finding one. The separation between my antennas is about 140 degrees. The north one is for picking up frequencies 31 (WXII) and 32 (WUNL), and the SE one is for the other channels. The closest frequencies on the SE antenna is 29 (WXLV) and 33 (WMYV). Am I going to need to worry about interference, or can I just combine the two signals. I've heard of specific channel-range filters, but the UHF range filter is too wide (frequencies 30-49).

You can try combining them and see what happens. Remember, February 17th, WGHP changes digital channels from 35 to 8 so you will need to be sure your system will pass VHF signals as well as UHF.

Merry christmas to all. May your day be filled with merry and joy!

From all of us at FOX8 WGHP, we wish you and yours a safe, joyous and happy holiday season and we look forward to continue to provide television service for many more years to come!

I just came across this file. It was created by the FCC to show differences (gains vs loss) of coverage from analog to post transition digital, station by station.

Here is the file (pdf) for the Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem DMA:

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Greensboro-High_Point-Winston_Salem_NC.pdf

Here is the URL for all markets:

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/

I just came across this file. It was created by the FCC to show differences (gains vs loss) of coverage from analog to post transition digital, station by station.

Here is the file (pdf) for the Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem DMA:

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Greensboro-High_Point-Winston_Salem_NC.pdf

Here is the URL for all markets:

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/

So all but 3 will be from sites between Randleman and Asheboro (and 2 of the 3 from the old mountain top location).

How many towers are in that Level Cross area now?

So all but 3 will be from sites between Randleman and Asheboro (and 2 of the 3 from the old mountain top location).

How many towers are in that Level Cross area now?

There are actually about 5 towers in that area, but only 3 of them are used for TV. WFMY is on its own tower due east of Level Cross about 3 miles, as well as WGHP at Randleman. WCWG, WLXI, WMYV, and WXLV all are on a candle levered tower due east off Level Cross on US 220. WXII and WUNL are on Sauratown Mt. WXLV has its analog on Sauratown Mt and WLXI has its analog on a tower north of Kernersville. WGPX is on a tower between Greensboro and Reidsville off of US 29.

Here is a picture from an an Austrian tower fan site several year ago looking up US 220 just south of Randleman of the towers in the Level Cross area. The only incorrect info on it is he has our backup tower (built in 1963) listed as WGHP-DT where in fact, the tower listed as WGHP-TV (built in 2005) is in reality the main tower with both analog and digital on it and the backup has lower powered analog and digital as well. The towers are 600 feet a part on the same property. If interested, Scott Fybush posted a spread on it several weeks ago in his Tower Site of the Week web page. http://www.fybush.com/sites/2008/site-081121.html

http://www.wabweb.net/radio/images/HighPoint4Towers.jpg

The FCC has also put out its list of initial Night Light stations. The list is only 310 stations long with most VHF low stations listed and the only one listed for the Triad is WFMY because it is on VHF low and will not cause any interference to digital stations broadcasting post Feb 17th.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-08-281A2.pdf

Well Jan. 13 is moveing closer.Will be interesting if we receive all the new HD channels they have stated we will get.I for one have fingers crossed.However after dealing with Time Warner not holding my breath.Gosh I hope i'm wrong and we get 30 new hd channels.However it has come to pass in the past the office csr's no matter how smart they act or seem for the most part are full of hot air.

Well Jan. 13 is moveing closer.Will be interesting if we receive all the new HD channels they have stated we will get.I for one have fingers crossed.However after dealing with Time Warner not holding my breath.Gosh I hope i'm wrong and we get 30 new hd channels.However it has come to pass in the past the office csr's no matter how smart they act or seem for the most part are full of hot air.

My take is this: I think it is highly likely that we will get all of those HD channels in the first quarter or so of 2009, but I really don't expect to get anything on January 13th beyond what is already listed on their website.

My take is this: I think it is highly likely that we will get all of those HD channels in the first quarter or so of 2009, but I really don't expect to get anything on January 13th beyond what is already listed on their website.

My guess is your right.My hope is your wrong.(Fingers Crossed)

thread robbery (kind of).....
Any really great ISF calibrators in this area? My Elite 710 is in need of a doozey, and Mr Bob (AVS handle) out of CA is the only one I know doing work on these babies. The local guys won't touch my CRT :( . Unless there are others needing the calibration/deep optics cleaning that'll help me bring him out here, the cost wil lbe prohibitive.

I have the AVIA disc and have done itermittent calibrations, and (former) NOW AV has done work in the past as well.

Ideas? Thanks.

Eliab Alvarez does tours to several areas. His calibration on my Samsung DLP was 2 years ago and to this day the picture is beyond what i thought possible!

http://www.avical.com/

I went ahead and purchased a Tivo HD. I was wondering what SDV channels I will not receive until TWC comes out with the tuning adapter.

I went ahead and purchased a Tivo HD. I was wondering what SDV channels I will not receive until TWC comes out with the tuning adapter.

Most if not all of the new ones and a bunch of the current ones.

Hey folks,

I just moved from TW to Directv -- pretty happy with it. I've been thinking of hooking up an antenna for two reasons: 1) possibly supplement channels via Satellite with the AM21, and provide a few basic channels for rarely-used TVs.

I live up near Summerfield and it appears the majority of the stations (according to antennaweb) are 180 degrees south. NBC looks a bit further over, about 300 degrees, so not sure I can pick it up. Also concerned that fox seems to be the lowest (ch 8), so need to keep that in mind when picking an antenna.

I was thinking about getting an Channel Master 4228HD -- but I need to mount it in the attic. Given my distance (< 25 miles to most) this should work fine. Thought I'd see what others are doing... any suggestions?

I use a 4221HD in the attic on a rotor in Walkertown-about 30 miles from the main cluster at Level Cross and about 20 miles in the opposite direction for WXII and WUNL at Sauratown Mtn. Everything comes in at 7 bars out of 10 or more except ION from Burlington at 3 bars. (my receiver is a Samsung DTB-H260F)

The 4221HD is primarily a UHF so I have added a Y5 (7-13) from Antennacraft to get FOX8's digital broadcast moving to VHF. The two can be combined with a UVSJ to get a single feed for the tv. I have a short run of RG-11 with no splits so a preamp is not necessary. see:
http://www.waltlasley.com/attic4221hd.htm

We received te MLB channel last night as announced but also got MLBhd.Maybe there is hope for Chiller hd yet.

We received te MLB channel last night as announced but also got MLBhd.Maybe there is hope for Chiller hd yet.

I would think getting MLB HD today is unrelated to getting anything else. Several providers including TWC and Directv got MLB HD today since they all own a part of the MLB channel.

So it was kind of required of the providers to start MLB HD today.

I would think getting MLB HD today is unrelated to getting anything else. Several providers including TWC and Directv got MLB HD today since they all own a part of the MLB channel.

So it was kind of required of the providers to start MLB HD today.

It was announced we would get the digital feed of MLB as it was announced we will get digital feed of Chiller.Since we got the unannounced MLB HD channel I was hopeing unannounced Chiller hd might be added also.

Anyone having problems with Time Warner WXLV HD (abc) reception? My picture and audio keep chopping and dropping. Ofcourse the cable company says there is not a problem on their end....this is the only channel on my box that does this...ofcourse just in time for the Rose Bowl!

Anyone having problems with Time Warner WXLV HD (abc) reception? My picture and audio keep chopping and dropping. Ofcourse the cable company says there is not a problem on their end....this is the only channel on my box that does this...ofcourse just in time for the Rose Bowl!

Not that helpful but watching it on Directv and it's fine. (Local time, 5pm)...

So about this Direct Tv....I saw on their package that they have ABC Family (eurgh!) in HD, but do they carry ABC, etc in HD?

So about this Direct Tv....I saw on their package that they have ABC Family (eurgh!) in HD, but do they carry ABC, etc in HD?

Yes. They have all/most of the locals -- the only one they don't have in HD is the CW. Not that they tend to have much HD anyway. So far very glad I made the switch. Personally, just had tons of problems with TW.

ty, tyvm:)

Does anyone know which HD channels in Greensboro Time-Warner cable are compressed, and how much damage that does to the picture? :p

For what it's worth.Had a TWC sevice rep working next door today.I was at my neighboro;s.The rep said SCIFI HD, USA hd and FOX News hd were scheduled to launch here Jan. 18 and he heard Navigator would launch in Jan. he had no date on that.Like I said (for what it's worth)this is my current info.

Does anyone know which HD channels in Greensboro Time-Warner cable are compressed,
That question is easy... All of them.
and how much damage that does to the picture? :p
A much harder question to answer. Nothing today looks as good as when the very first HD channel was added years ago. I can still remember the first live Academy Awards in HD (I think) and it was awesome. Compression has been increasing ever since, and image quality suffering.

A lot of your perception of picture quality depends on the size and resolution of your display.

Joe L.

That question is easy... All of them.

A much harder question to answer. Nothing today looks as good as when the very first HD channel was added years ago. I can still remember the first live Academy Awards in HD (I think) and it was awesome. Compression has been increasing ever since, and image quality suffering.

A lot of your perception of picture quality depends on the size and resolution of your display.

Joe L.

Yeah I'd agree with that! Plus, average TV size is increasing, as well as image clarity, which "exposes" these flaws all the more.

Image quality is often somewhat poor on the HD channels, but that's because the source material is often poor.

If you want locals in the best clarity you can get, you need to go with an antenna, actually.

Yeah I'd agree with that! Plus, average TV size is increasing, as well as image clarity, which "exposes" these flaws all the more.

Image quality is often somewhat poor on the HD channels, but that's because the source material is often poor.

If you want locals in the best clarity you can get, you need to go with an antenna, actually.
I've had a CRT projector running at as high a resolution as possible from TWC showing on a 110" screen for the last 10 years or so.... If the source is garbage, I see it. If the source is clean, it really shows.

Originally I had a SA2000-HD box from TWC that actually had RGBHV outputs. Eventually, this was replaced by a much more modern HD-DVR that only has component output at 720p. I now use a Component->RGBHV converter to feed the RGBHV inputs on the projector.

The weak link is as often as not, the source material. I also feed off-the-air broadcasts to the same projector from a HDTV tuner with a DVI output. It is connected to outside antenna. (no, it is not one of the $40. Coupon-eligible-set top-converters)

There are many times where I can easily see the additional compression added by the cable company. The direct broadcast is sometimes better. But there are as many where both are terrible. The situation is better now than years ago though. The portable cameras used are much better today and most studios have drastically upgraded their equipment.

Joe L.

I've had a CRT projector running at as high a resolution as possible from TWC showing on a 110" screen for the last 10 years or so.... If the source is garbage, I see it. If the source is clean, it really shows.

Originally I had a SA2000-HD box from TWC that actually had RGBHV outputs. Eventually, this was replaced by a much more modern HD-DVR that only has component output at 720p. I now use a Component->RGBHV converter to feed the RGBHV inputs on the projector.

The weak link is as often as not, the source material. I also feed off-the-air broadcasts to the same projector from a HDTV tuner with a DVI output. It is connected to outside antenna. (no, it is not one of the $40. Coupon-eligible-set top-converters)

There are many times where I can easily see the additional compression added by the cable company. The direct broadcast is sometimes better. But there are as many where both are terrible. The situation is better now than years ago though. The portable cameras used are much better today and most studios have drastically upgraded their equipment.

Joe L.

Nice ... I recently upgraded to Directv, and I have a couple of a couple of TVs that get used very rarely. (IE, one in the guest room where it's usually not even used the few times a year we have guests.) Anyway, I decided instead of keeping TW cable for all of them, I'd get an HD antenna. That way these sets will get, at a minimum, basic channels.

The DTV receiver has an add on (AM-21) that integrates OTA digital into the program guide on the DVR, so I'm curious to run some tests to compare OTA vs DirecTv locals.

...so I'm curious to run some tests to compare OTA vs DirecTv locals.

As someone who has had OTA since BEFORE D* had the local HD and then got it shortly after it came out (early 2007 when I got my H20), there is hardly a difference between OTA and the D* HD signal. The only thing I notice is an occasional transcoder error since D* is converting the MPEG2 OTA signal to MPEG4. Other than that, they are seamless.

Use an amplified splitter.

Hey foxeng ...... Is there a specific amplified splitter you would recommend? I have recently split my signal to 2 sets so I need to add an amp. Would it be a good idea to have variable gain? I have a Channel Master 4228 with RG6 cable. I live near Old Salem.

As usual, thanks for the advice.

Saw this (http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=8180216&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=5.7.1) story on Fox 8 and it actually left me a little confused. The story makes no mention of what happens with these devices when connected to cable. I've got an analog tuner hooked to my PC (not ready to shell out the $$ for DVR just yet) and it should be ok to continue to get the first 76 channels on TWC, right?.

Thanks

Saw this (http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=8180216&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=5.7.1) story on Fox 8 and it actually left me a little confused. The story makes no mention of what happens with these devices when connected to cable. I've got an analog tuner hooked to my PC (not ready to shell out the $$ for DVR just yet) and it should be ok to continue to get the first 76 channels on TWC, right?.

Thanks

That story only dealt with people who have antennas connected only. Any analog device you have connected to TWC will continue to work for as long as TWC provides analog channels. Rumor is that in the near future only channels 2-14 will be available via strictly analog.

Hey foxeng ...... Is there a specific amplified splitter you would recommend? I have recently split my signal to 2 sets so I need to add an amp. Would it be a good idea to have variable gain? I have a Channel Master 4228 with RG6 cable. I live near Old Salem.

As usual, thanks for the advice.

I have a couple of Radio Shack amplified splitters personally. They are variable but I have found if I set them about 12 o'clock, they work just fine. If they are out you can take a regular splitter and buy one of the 10 db in line amps and put that just ahead of the splitter and run it about 12 o'clock and it too works OK.

Oh, one more thing. If you have a amplifier for the antenna, the power insertor for it MUST be last in line AFTER all of the splitters towards the antenna. The power that runs the amp at the antenna will not be able to get there if you don't plus you also run the risk of damaging a splitter or an amplified splitter.

Rumor is that in the near future only channels 2-14 will be available via strictly analog.

I continue to be amused (or perhaps bemused is a better word) that I was able to resist jumping from TWC to D* for so long when TWC's HD channel selection was so deficient. Now that TWC satisfies about 90% of my HD needs (with most of that final 10% about to be satisfied soon if rumors are true) other factors (hello huge rate increases!) are pushing me more and more to an alternative. Dropping analog down to 2-14, will be eliminating a big obstacle to me dropping cable...

I continue to be amused (or perhaps bemused is a better word) that I was able to resist jumping from TWC to D* for so long when TWC's HD channel selection was so deficient. Now that TWC satisfies about 90% of my HD needs (with most of that final 10% about to be satisfied soon if rumors are true) other factors (hello huge rate increases!) are pushing me more and more to an alternative. Dropping analog down to 2-14, will be eliminating a big obstacle to me dropping cable...

I should probably keep my mouth shut here. Having said that ... :)

I have no incentive for saying this ... but I just made the switch about 2 weeks ago from TWC to Directv. I made the switch partially due to the HD lineup, but mostly because of the software bugs. SDV outtages, missed/incomplete recordings, generally poor interface/usability on the DVR (at least IMO).

In a nutshell, I couldn't be happier. I miss having TV for news/locals on the seldom used channels, but I decided to hook up an OTA for that. (You can get TWC basic analog for $10/mo ... which alone might be worth it if the D* package saves you > $10/mo.)

I like the online stuff on Direct as well. There's a LAN (no internet) "slingbox" that lets you watch stuff on the DVR from a PC. You can schedule DVR/VOD from the internet, which is kind of nice. Not perfect, but not bad either. VOD is mixed. I liked TWC VOD very much in the beginning, but virtually no free HD stuff and kind of kind of got stale after awhile. It's still a strong offering for cable, though. Direct's VOD is potentially good -- the content is growing; it uses your internet connection to download stuff, but at least doesn't stream it real time (well, you CAN stream it, but it saves it locally so you don't get buffering errors).

I'm not thrilled with the 2 year contract, and the iffy installation job that I spent hours cleaning up, but otherwise I'd say TWC has a long way to go to catch up. You can likely negotiate your price lower if you call and suggest leaving. :)

That story only dealt with people who have antennas connected only. Any analog device you have connected to TWC will continue to work for as long as TWC provides analog channels. Rumor is that in the near future only channels 2-14 will be available via strictly analog.

Thanks for the clarification, looks like i'm going to have to spring for a TWC DVR eventually since building a Home Theater PC is impractical with CableCard being DOA and I've heard nothing locally about tru2way, CableCARD 2.0 or whatever else their calling it now. God forbid I could buy and manage my own stuff.

I bite the bullet and buy my D* equipment and install it myself instead of getting the "freebees" and having them install it. I have no problems that way!!

Anyone having problems with Time Warner WXLV HD (abc) reception? My picture and audio keep chopping and dropping. Ofcourse the cable company says there is not a problem on their end....this is the only channel on my box that does this...ofcourse just in time for the Rose Bowl!
ABC doesnt break up on me but CW does.......and it wouldnt really matter if it DIDNT happen during "Smallville" as thats the ONLY thing I watch on that channel that I care about being in HD.......

I miss having TV for news/locals on the seldom used channels, but I decided to hook up an OTA for that. (You can get TWC basic analog for $10/mo ... which alone might be worth it if the D* package saves you > $10/mo.)

Are you saying the you don't local channels through D*? D* offers all of the SD locals and the big four HD locals in the Triad market. Or do you live somewhere else.

Are you saying the you don't local channels through D*? D* offers all of the SD locals and the big four HD locals in the Triad market. Or do you live somewhere else.

Nope, I do get them, but obviously only on my D* receivers. I'd rather not hook up and pay for other receivers in a room like the guest room, workout, bedroom, etc., where it's not really needed. (For example, I think we turned on the bedroom tv once in the last 2 years; the guest room TV gets used for movies for the kids, but that's it.)

So, I just received my antenna today (got a CM 4228HD) and set it up in my attic. So far, pulling in all the digital locals except WXII (about 35% signal) but I might be able to get that after I adjust the antenna a bit.

Nope, I do get them, but obviously only on my D* receivers. I'd rather not hook up and pay for other receivers in a room like the guest room, workout, bedroom, etc., where it's not really needed. (For example, I think we turned on the bedroom tv once in the last 2 years; the guest room TV gets used for movies for the kids, but that's it.)

So, I just received my antenna today (got a CM 4228HD) and set it up in my attic. So far, pulling in all the digital locals except WXII (about 35% signal) but I might be able to get that after I adjust the antenna a bit.

If you have room, you may want to try using a rotor to pick up WXII and WUNL, as both towers are in the opposite direction of the majority of towers in this market.

Just signed up for D*. I called TWC earlier today. Gave them an opportunity to lower their price closer to D*. They offered to cut my programing in order to lower the price. I told them that D* was already a lot cheeper and offered a lot more HD programing. They refused to reduce their package prices. My Direct TV will be installed next Monday. I'm really looking forward to calling them next Tuesday and telling them to stick it.

If you have room, you may want to try using a rotor to pick up WXII and WUNL, as both towers are in the opposite direction of the majority of towers in this market.

I dialed in the antenna a bit, and ... actually, I have it facing north. This picks up everything the best (why that is, I'm not sure). Could be the towers south of G'boro are close enough that it doesn't matter.

Also picking up CBS/FOX/NBC in Roanoke ... so for an attic install, not bad.

Just signed up for D*. I called TWC earlier today. Gave them an opportunity to lower their price closer to D*. They offered to cut my programing in order to lower the price. I told them that D* was already a lot cheeper and offered a lot more HD programing. They refused to reduce their package prices. My Direct TV will be installed next Monday. I'm really looking forward to calling them next Tuesday and telling them to stick it.

Wow are you kidding me? They offered to bring your price down by reducing your programming level? Crazy. I never did get them to give me an official lower offer, but the retention rep was going that way until I said, "It's not about price. It's about consistent service, DVR features, and HD programming."

I have to say, aside from the work I had to do to polish up the installation, I'm thrilled with it over TWC. Hopefully you will be, too...

Wow are you kidding me? They offered to bring your price down by reducing your programming level? Crazy. I never did get them to give me an official lower offer, but the retention rep was going that way until I said, "It's not about price. It's about consistent service, DVR features, and HD programming."

I have to say, aside from the work I had to do to polish up the installation, I'm thrilled with it over TWC. Hopefully you will be, too...


we can only hope that TWC gets more competitive when U-Verse jumps off over here........

I just got off the phone with a Time Warner tech who'll be over at 2pm tomorrow to install my tuning adapter. Woot!

Will let everyone know how it goes.

I just got off the phone with a Time Warner tech who'll be over at 2pm tomorrow to install my tuning adapter. Woot!

Will let everyone know how it goes.
He's coming to my house FIRST! 10am. Can't wait! :D

He's coming to my house FIRST! 10am. Can't wait! :D

That's so funny man, I should have known it would be you... :)

Yep, I've bugged them so much, Buck said he put me at the top of the list to call! Hope everything goes smoothly and we don't have to wait too long for more TA's. I need 4 of them.

I just got off the phone with a Time Warner tech who'll be over at 2pm tomorrow to install my tuning adapter. Woot!

Will let everyone know how it goes.



so its not something that can be installed by us??? that sucks......

so its not something that can be installed by us??? that sucks......
I know in some other markets they are just shipping them to customers and letting them set it up. But this is brand new here, I think we'll be the first ones to get it outside of internal beta testing. So if all goes well, then maybe it will be customer install soon.

Just an FYI. This week we started the conversion process of our auxiliary channel 8 transmitter to digital. The factory is expected in less than two weeks to do the check out and tune up. Right now we are installing new digital filters and transmission line and switches and such so we can get the transmitter to the antenna. We hope to have the major work by Friday or next Monday and then have everything ready for the factory next Friday or the following Monday since the factory will be here that next Tuesday. I hope to get some overnight air time to test this transmitter on air prior to Feb 17th. If I can, I will let you guys know so you tune into to and see if you can see it! The conversion of the main transmitter will not start until after the transition since we need that transmitter to stay analog until the transition.

I've been on the TA list just about since the link went active on the Triad website and no call yet. I called customer service to inquire and the woman I talked to didn't seem to know what the tuning adapter was, so I tried calling back to another rep - same story. Guess I'll have to be patient and wait.

They're here installing it now. Guy said they had about 141 people on the request list. Were only installing one per customer until they got the kinks worked out. Also hadn't decided on when they could go to customer install, but planned to do the installation on at least the first 10-15 to make sure they had a good system in place before they tried that.

He said they were still trying to get everyone on board, customer service, techs, etc...with what a tuning adapter was and what process to go through.

I just got off the phone with a Time Warner tech who'll be over at 2pm tomorrow to install my tuning adapter. Woot!

Will let everyone know how it goes.
They're here right now. He said they changed some codes on them just last night and the setup they had at TWC quit working on him, but he was pretty sure it was just something they needed to change on their end. I'll keep you posted, but if we're unsuccessful here, you may get postponed.

Update:
Initially no luck, TA diagnostics screen would not come up on the TiVo. Charlie left and was headed back to HQ to figure out what they had changed on the head end/firmware/whatever. But I left the TV on and a screen popped up saying that a Tuning Adapter was now connected and I was able to get into the TA diagnostics screen. Called Charlie, they're turning around and coming back. Will keep you posted on results.

Obama urges delay in digital TV transition
Government's coupons for analog-to-digital converter boxes in short supply

"WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to postpone the Feb. 17 switch from analog to digital television broadcasting, arguing that too many Americans who rely on analog TV sets to pick up over-the-air channels won't be ready. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28562781/

Great....let's just drag this thing out to eternity!!! :(

Update: Success with the Time Warner tuning adapter! Having a little trouble with Animal Planet HD channel coming in regularly, but the others seem to be working fine! Charlie worked all day at getting this right. People can say all they want about TWC (and they don't do a good job of educating their CSRs), but this is the 2nd time that I've had TWC techs work all day long to get my problem fixed as quickly as possible. Kudos to them.

Update: Success with the Time Warner tuning adapter! Having a little trouble with Animal Planet HD channel coming in regularly, but the others seem to be working fine! Charlie worked all day at getting this right. People can say all they want about TWC (and they don't do a good job of educating their CSRs), but this is the 2nd time that I've had TWC techs work all day long to get my problem fixed as quickly as possible. Kudos to them.

Great!!!! ok, TWC, I am waiting for my call!!!!! :D

Just curious, what problems did they run across during your install? Also, do you get the HBO West Coast feeds as well now?

Obama urges delay in digital TV transition
Government's coupons for analog-to-digital converter boxes in short supply

"WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to postpone the Feb. 17 switch from analog to digital television broadcasting, arguing that too many Americans who rely on analog TV sets to pick up over-the-air channels won't be ready. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28562781/

Great....let's just drag this thing out to eternity!!! :(


I say no. Go ahead and let's go to all digital. People had enough time to prepare and get the converters, so if they have not done that by now, then that is there problem.

Obama urges delay in digital TV transition
Government's coupons for analog-to-digital converter boxes in short supply

"WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama is urging Congress to postpone the Feb. 17 switch from analog to digital television broadcasting, arguing that too many Americans who rely on analog TV sets to pick up over-the-air channels won't be ready. "

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28562781/

Great....let's just drag this thing out to eternity!!! :(

This does not surprise me. Hey, how about emergency legislation. They set up a toll free 800#, one can call in and request an immediate bailout from their analog woes.

The plan would include an emergency response team of installers that would go out and install converter boxes to every household that requests the service.

Might only cost a few Billion. Of course it might take 2 years to get it up and running.

Geez, what are these guys smokin? Are there not larger problems to address .....

Can only imagine the cringe from all the engineers at all the stations upon hearing this news.

Joe

I can't speak for everyone, but the people I have talked to, they ain't too happy. Budgets were set up for a Feb 17th transition and for a station turning off a tube type UHF transmitter, analog or digital, you are talking anywhere from $100,000 to $300,000 that could be saved in electricity over the time of Feb 17th to Dec 31, 2009. And that doesn't count maintenance costs. We aren't talking pocket change here.

Plus the erosion of public confidence in the industry and the government that the public was told ad nauseum about Feb 17th only to find out they have appeared to have been scammed. Pure CYA in Washington on this one. Congress and now the President-Elect are hiding under their desks on this issue. It is interesting that the Bush Administration wants the date to stay Feb 17th. Of course after noon of Jan 20th, they will have no say in the matter, and it looks like the people don't either.

As someone in another thread put it, "Change we CAN'T believe in." (wished I had thought of it, dang it!!)

I can't speak for everyone, but the people I have talked to, they ain't too happy. Budgets were set up for a Feb 17th transition and for a station turning off a tube type UHF transmitter, analog or digital, you are talking anywhere from $100,000 to $300,000 that could be saved in electricity over the time of Feb 17th to Dec 31, 2009. And that doesn't count maintenance costs. We aren't talking pocket change here.

Plus the erosion of public confidence in the industry and the government that the public was told ad nauseum about Feb 17th only to find out they have appeared to have been scammed. Pure CYA in Washington on this one. Congress and now the President-Elect are hiding under their desks on this issue. It is interesting that the Bush Administration wants the date to stay Feb 17th. Of course after noon of Jan 20th, they will have no say in the matter, and it looks like the people don't either.

As someone in another thread put it, "Change we CAN'T believe in." (wished I had thought of it, dang it!!)

Thought you might feel that way on this issue. Insanity, but there is no sense of cost and recovery in this climate. The idiots all around are running around with no real plan.

My guess, and hope is that Feb. 17 is a day certain. The new guy is still in campaign mode. Some aid came to him with some numbers and he reacted. Have to keep the base happy. One has to hope that at least this plan is finally done. For Congress to open this up at this point, have not the deals already been set?

"Change we can't........."

I tried to register that, not quick enough.

Joe

We will see.

I have been an opponent of HOW the transition has been handled at the government level. Not that I am against doing DTV, far from it. But the original broadcasters plan of an add on HD service got changed by the Clinton Administration when they realized the government could make money off of auctioning the spectrum. That is fact. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the law passed that created all this mess. From there, the FCC had no clear mandate from Congress other than to get the auctions up and running as quick as possible. That happened in 2006 and 2007. Now Congress doesn't know what to do with the digital transition other than THEY WANT IT TO GO AWAY! They see it as a political hot potato that is about to burn them. While I admit there will be issues post transition, no one will walk away cleanly and that is EXACTLY what Congress is trying to do and they can't find a way. The coupon program running out of money gave them the reason they have been looking for.

Problem is the transition is 7/8 complete and to stop it now puts broadcasters in financial jeopardy since equipment has been bought, engineers and tower crews booked for Feb 17th. To Congress, it is no big deal to delay the transition, it is just politics. What they don't understand is they will hamstring two major industries in this country and if a station goes under because of the delay, you can bet they will be asking for a bailout. The government is setting that situation up, you just watch and as much as I am AGAINST bailouts, the precedent has been set. The insanity known as Washington DC continues.

I think there is not enough time to stop the transition. If Congress can't get a stimulus package to the President before Feb 16th, what makes them think they can get a new date to the President before Feb 17th? What people fail to realize, it will take an act of Congress to change the date since they set the first date. With 40 days left, I don't see that happening. There is a much better chance of the coupon program getting money and I think that will happen within the next week or so. Just my opinion. If this is any indication of what the next 4 years is to be in government, then God help us. We are in DEEP, DEEP trouble.

If this is any indication of what the next 4 years is to be in government, then God help us. We are in DEEP, DEEP trouble.

I think many have thought we have been in trouble for the past few years, but with the things we are seeing early on such as this, and Obama isn't even in office yet, folks are going to find out what trouble is really all about before it's all said and done. What a mess.

I don't think it should happen, but if the next President decides to delay the transition date via Executive Order, nobody in Washington is going to get very excited. They don't care what happens to the folks in the TV broadcasting & support industries.

For what it's worth.Had a TWC sevice rep working next door today.I was at my neighbor's.The rep said SCIFI HD, USA hd and FOX News hd were scheduled to launch here Jan. 18 and he heard Navigator would launch in Jan. he had no date on that.Like I said (for what it's worth)this is my current info.


TWC has updated their website here in the Triangle and USA,SCIFI, BRAVO and CNBC's HD channels will all be added here Feb 13 as well as Telemundo. Since they have added channels at the same time throughout the state recently I would guess that Greensboro will see them at the same time. TWC has not updated the Triad channel change page yet though.

They don't care what happens to the folks in the TV broadcasting & support industries.

They will when they can't get their message out to the public.

They will when they can't get their message out to the public.

:p

Here is just a sample of what I have been doing most of this week. We have been hanging the channel 8 DTV filter and the dummy antenna and the coax switch that will switch between the station dummy antenna and the real antenna and the transmission line that connects it all together. Enjoy!!

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/Plainfield-DTV-Conversion-Filter.jpg

Hey, that room looks familiar. ;)

- Trip

Hey, that room looks familiar. ;)

- Trip

The mask filter went up pretty easy. It is only about 80 pounds even though it looks MUCH heavier that it is (big black box in the rear of the picture). It took 4 people to get it into place and then we ran it up the threaded rod about 2 feet to its current location and then cut the extra rod off. We decided to do it that way since we didn't really know exactly where we needed to run the solid copper 3 1/8 inch transmission line. The coax switch was harder to get up. It is small, but HEAVY and trying to hang it with the threaded rod installed on it got interesting but luckily it didn't fall and go splat! If it did, we have 3 more in the back!! They came out of the old switch gear from the Harris tube transmitter that used to sit in that room.

We based all the heights on the 6 1/8 transmission line that runs up the tower since that can't be moved and it all worked out pretty nice. The center point of the lines are 126 inches from the floor! The 6 1/8 inch line is 20 inches higher so we dropped it down so it wasn't up against the ceiling. It came out better than we thought and it is all pretty compact and I can still do maintanence to it if I need to. From where I am standing in taking the picture will be the other half of the main transmitter when we move it over post transition and then we will plumb switches and stuff on the other side of the antenna transmission line. That big open area you saw will fill up pretty quick then!!

Here is a picture of that same area back in the old days when we had the big Harris transmitter in that room. The yellow rack in the back ground was sitting directly below where the mask filter is now. The big while frame on the left side is where those switches came from. This picture is taken behind the transmitter.

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/dtv_project/2005-01-28%20-%201963%20Building%20-%20Pix%20for%20Larcan/slides/p1280012.jpg

This is the front right half of the old transmitter. Where the white rack is in this picture is where I was standing taking the first picture. In the old days, that was a CROWDED and NOISY little room!

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/dtv_project/2005-01-28%20-%201963%20Building%20-%20Pix%20for%20Larcan/slides/p1280010.jpg

Whoa whoa whoa Foxeng! Quit working so hard. It's not like you have some firm deadline you have to complete this work by.... :) :eek: :confused: :(

Got places to go. People to see. Things to do. Don't have time to wait on Congress and the President-Elect to fix my world. :D

FYI - UNC TV is broadcasting the Governor's Inauguaration in HD.

Sounds like you guys are making good progress foxeng! I wish you continued good luck and success! :)

- Trip

They will when they can't get their message out to the public.

Got places to go. People to see. Things to do. Don't have time to wait on Congress and the President-Elect to fix my world. :D

FCC chief: Don’t delay digital TV switch
Chairman says Obama request would sow widespread confusion
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28594642/

I hear that Rep Markey has now reversed his position and now DOESN'T want to move the date.

Why do I keep getting "Channel Not Available" on TWC's HD channels (the free ones) at certain times. Is it SDV or a signal level?

Just an FYI. This week we started the conversion process of our auxiliary channel 8 transmitter to digital.

Just curious- what was the NTSC output of this xmtr?- how much do you expect out in 8VSB mode? What tube(s) are in the visual final?

Why do I keep getting "Channel Not Available" on TWC's HD channels (the free ones) at certain times. Is it SDV or a signal level?

If it's only intermittent, there could be a variety of reasons. It could be that no "slots" are available. I doubt it's signal level, but it may be possible.

Personally, I experienced this ALL THE TIME, and it drove me crazy. Called in, got techs to look at it -- but never really got better. It was very intermittent. It ended up being a big reason I switched to D*. Either they overallocating slots or SDV isn't ready for the prime time.

Well Greensboro folk.It's 2 days to Jan. 13. Will be real interesting to see what we get.Raleigh site has announced Scifi hd and USA hd as comeing there on the 13th.Wonder if we will get it also.Also 13th is date the csr in our local TWC office sais we would get Navigator.So the countdown is on but not holding my breath.

Just curious- what was the NTSC output of this xmtr?- how much do you expect out in 8VSB mode? What tube(s) are in the visual final?

It is a solid state Larcan TTS6MH transmitter. This is the original tower and transmitter building for the station when it went on the air in 1963. The transmitter was purchased in 2005 along with the main Larcan TTP44MH 44 kW transmitter for the new transmitter building and tower that we were building to use in main service. In NTSC it is 6 kw visual, 600 watts aural. That gave us 90 kW ERP. For digital it will be converted to a DTT1MH with 1 kW of DTV power. That actually gives up more power than we will be allowed off that antenna so the transmitter will run at 720 watts to give us 11 kW ERP. After the transition, we will then convert the main transmitter in the other building to digital and move half of that to the old building since we will only need about 1.5 kw digital from the transmitter to make full power.

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/dtv_project/2006-10%20-%20Plainfield%20Rebuild/slides/pa130031.jpg
It is the transmitter on the right. The transmitter on the left is a Thales 500 watt channel 35 DTV transmitter we used until we got the big 50kW DTV transmitter on from the other building.

I may go D* this summer. Depends on how they can install the wiring. I have to use my existing cable lines for internet so I guess they would have to run a new line into my living room and not sure about upstairs. I'm in a townhouse so not sure what they can do.....

I get this "channel not available" error quite a bit. Then I reboot and it's good again for another, say, 18 hours. This happens on a couple of my HD boxes, but not others. Very mysterious. I even had them come and replace the boxes, but nothing changed. I'd consider dish, but they compress their HD too. I wish somebody would offer a premium HD service with NO COMPRESSION!

Well Greensboro folk.It's 2 days to Jan. 13. Will be real interesting to see what we get.Raleigh site has announced Scifi hd and USA hd as comeing there on the 13th.Wonder if we will get it also.Also 13th is date the csr in our local TWC office sais we would get Navigator.So the countdown is on but not holding my breath.


Raleigh announced that SciFi and USA will be coming February 13, not January 13. I'm sure that TWC will announce when we will get those channels on our Triad website when they are ready. Also, I would believe that they would announce Navigator on there website as well when they are ready. I already switched to Tivo, so I don't care when Navigator will be released. I love Tivo, I wish I switched earlier. :D Just need my Tuning Adapter now. The only channels we are going to get on January 13 is:

* Pay-Per-View HD: Channel 202
* Starz HD: Channel 447
* Cinemax East HD: Channel 448
* Cinemax West HD: Channel 449
* The Movie Channel HD: Channel 450

I get this "channel not available" error quite a bit. Then I reboot and it's good again for another, say, 18 hours. This happens on a couple of my HD boxes, but not others. Very mysterious. I even had them come and replace the boxes, but nothing changed. I'd consider dish, but they compress their HD too. I wish somebody would offer a premium HD service with NO COMPRESSION!


Yeah, I think it won't happen due to bandwidth. I'm really not a marketing shill for Directv here, but I've been quite impressed w/ the signal, thx to MPEG4. I took an OTA antenna to service some TVs I don't need very often, and compared the signal of HD via Directv to HD via OTA, and I don't think there's a perceptible difference, or one that is minor at best. Overall HD channels are certainly not worse than TWC -- I don't have any evidence other than my 1 week of playing with both, but seemed D* was a bit better. Of course it's not perfect either, but happy with it.

Raleigh announced that SciFi and USA will be coming February 13, not January 13. I'm sure that TWC will announce when we will get those channels on our Triad website when they are ready. Also, I would believe that they would announce Navigator on there website as well when they are ready. I already switched to Tivo, so I don't care when Navigator will be released. I love Tivo, I wish I switched earlier. :D Just need my Tuning Adapter now. The only channels we are going to get on January 13 is:

* Pay-Per-View HD: Channel 202
* Starz HD: Channel 447
* Cinemax East HD: Channel 448
* Cinemax West HD: Channel 449
* The Movie Channel HD: Channel 450

My Bad.Your right I misread the site,It is Feb 13 so i'm pretty sure Geensboro will have them by then or then.As for Navigator just reporting what I was told.Do not have much faith in local TWC.I received flyer from then announceing Oct 1 and you see how that turned out.

It is a solid state Larcan TTS6MH transmitter. This is the original tower and transmitter building for the station when it went on the air in 1963. The transmitter was purchased in 2005 along with the main Larcan TTP44MH 44 kW transmitter for the new transmitter building and tower that we were building to use in main service. In NTSC it is 6 kw visual, 600 watts aural. That gave us 90 kW ERP. For digital it will be converted to a DTT1MH with 1 kW of DTV power. That actually gives up more power than we will be allowed off that antenna so the transmitter will run at 720 watts to give us 11 kW ERP. After the transition, we will then convert the main transmitter in the other building to digital and move half of that to the old building since we will only need about 1.5 kw digital from the transmitter to make full power.

It is the transmitter on the right. The transmitter on the left is a Thales 500 watt channel 35 DTV transmitter we used until we got the big 50kW DTV transmitter on from the other building.

Thanks for the info and photo. I visited the WGHP site several times back in the 1960s when I lived in Greensboro (I worked for WBIG and the old original ch48 WUBC at the time- both long gone now). Back then the xmtr was RCA TTH series all-tube job. I'm sure that's gone as probably all the guys I knew there back then. Time has a way of changing things. I'm retired now and living in FL but still like to keep up with the stations there. In fact my sister still lives in Greensboro so maybe next time that I'm up that way to see her I can drop by for a visit.

Thanks for the info and photo. I visited the WGHP site several times back in the 1960s when I lived in Greensboro (I worked for WBIG and the old original ch48 WUBC at the time- both long gone now). Back then the xmtr was RCA TTH series all-tube job. I'm sure that's gone as probably all the guys I knew there back then. Time has a way of changing things. I'm retired now and living in FL but still like to keep up with the stations there. In fact my sister still lives in Greensboro so maybe next time that I'm up that way to see her I can drop by for a visit.

I live right behind the old WBIG site off Battleground! It is now a Lowes Home Improvement Center. When I moved to Greensboro in 1987, I was the engineer for an FM station that took the WBIG calls after it went dark before I got into TV in 1992.

The last transmitter guy from that era retired in 1993, Roy Allman. I was his replacement. He passed away about 3 months ago. Jim Key is still around. He left around 1970 and worked for WFMY until he retired in the mid 90's.

Oh yeah. The RCA went in 1981. It was sold to a PBS station on channel 9 in Washington State. It was a TT25DH. It was replaced with a Harris TVD50H that was at 90 degrees of the old RCA. That transmitter lasted until 2005 when it was replaced with one half of the Larcan TTP44MH. When the new tower and building were finished 9 months later, the TTS6MH went on the air for 2 weeks as we moved the TTP44MH half to the new building and mated with it its other half. Now the TTS6MH is to be converted to digital and when the shutdown happens, we will put the TTS6MH (converted to a DTT1MH) on the air for two weeks as we split the TTP44MH back into 2 transmitters and move one half back to the old building (putting it in the same exact spot as the old RCA sat except it isn't as wide across as the TT25DH was) and convert both to DTT4MH's and then put the main site back on line and we will then have a full power backup site. The fate of the DTT1MH is still up in the air, but there is a plan to move it to the studio and put up a small Bogner type antenna on the STL tower and use it as a doomsday transmitter. But it is way too early to figure all that out just yet. We still have to get finish converting it first and get on line with the main!

Here is a picture of the old building with the new tower and building in the background. The new site is 600 feet away from the old site.

http://www.w4cl.net/fox/dtv_project/2006-04-03%20-%20Week%20Thirty-Nine/slides/p4070002.jpg

Let me know when you are up this way the next time!

I know in some other markets they are just shipping them to customers and letting them set it up. But this is brand new here, I think we'll be the first ones to get it outside of internal beta testing. So if all goes well, then maybe it will be customer install soon.


oh ok I gotcha......I ordered a few a while back also......they havent contacted me for a time when they would come set it ip yet tho....

Well Greensboro folk.It's 2 days to Jan. 13. Will be real interesting to see what we get.Raleigh site has announced Scifi hd and USA hd as comeing there on the 13th.Wonder if we will get it also.Also 13th is date the csr in our local TWC office sais we would get Navigator.So the countdown is on but not holding my breath.
I thought the Raleigh site said February 13th??? I hope we dont have to wait that long......

I thought the Raleigh site said February 13th??? I hope we dont have to wait that long......

If you read up a couple of posts I corrected myself.It is Feb.13 for Raleigh.

If you read up a couple of posts I corrected myself.It is Feb.13 for Raleigh.

yea I seen that after I commented........

Well it's the 13th.What happened to our new HD channels?

For those with OTA, WLXI has added an HD channel simulcast to go along with their SD channel. 61-1 is SD and 61-2 is the HD.

It is 2:20 in the afternoon.Have receivd Starz hd,Movie channel hd.PPV hd.No sign of Cinemax yet.No sign(of which I was sure)of Navigator.So maybe Cinemax will be here before midnight but might as well forget about Navigator.Never looked for it anyway.

It is 2:20 in the afternoon.Have receivd Starz hd,Movie channel hd.PPV hd.No sign of Cinemax yet.No sign(of which I was sure)of Navigator.So maybe Cinemax will be here before midnight but might as well forget about Navigator.Never looked for it anyway.


No Cinemax here in Durham either when I checked this morning. As for Navigator EVEN if they started rolling out in Greensboro today you might not see if for a month or two. They roll it out in phases and not to everybody at the same time. It took them 3 months to complete the rollout here. I received a phone call, email and a letter in the mail before I got 'gatored, so chances are you or somebody on here will know when it is truly coming. Plus it is rolled out in the middle of the night around 2am so it's nothing that is gonna be done during the middle of the day. So stop worrying about Navigator and just be happy USA HD and others are finally coming Feb 13. I know it's not listed on the channel change info for G-boro yet but it is for Raleigh and Wilmington so it is pretty much a lock for Greensboro and Charlote to get it as well since they have been adding channels statewide recently.

They have updated the Greensboro page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html) with the Feb 13th additions.


Feb. 13, 2009: The following channels are added:

* Telemundo: Channel 177 (Digital receiver required)
* USA HD: Channel 577
* Sci-Fi HD: Channel 578
* CNBC HD: Channel 579
* Bravo HD: Channel 580

No Cinemax here in Durham either when I checked this morning. As for Navigator EVEN if they started rolling out in Greensboro today you might not see if for a month or two. They roll it out in phases and not to everybody at the same time. It took them 3 months to complete the rollout here. I received a phone call, email and a letter in the mail before I got 'gatored, so chances are you or somebody on here will know when it is truly coming. Plus it is rolled out in the middle of the night around 2am so it's nothing that is gonna be done during the middle of the day. So stop worrying about Navigator and just be happy USA HD and others are finally coming Feb 13. I know it's not listed on the channel change info for G-boro yet but it is for Raleigh and Wilmington so it is pretty much a lock for Greensboro and Charlote to get it as well since they have been adding channels statewide recently.
Well the funny thing is in Oct I got a flyer and E mail from TWC announceing Navigator starting here Oct.1.Seen no Navigator yet.It was TWC that sent the flyer not me calling and asking.But like you say very happy about their HD additions.If they give me FOX News soon I;ll have few HD complaints with Time Warner.

They have updated the Greensboro page (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Carolinas/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html) with the Feb 13th additions.

I looked right before my last post and they hadn't. Must have done it right after I looked.

Just so people know, the Raleigh and Greensboro TWC are only connected via name only. But Greensboro TWC does run the Charlotte TWC head end from Greensboro.

anyone got a QAM list for the greensboro area for Time Warner Cable.

We just got a QAM tuner and its a pain finding all the channels.

P.S. We especially cannot find ABC/WXLV in HD on QAM, which i know it exists, i just cant find it.

Hey foxeng,

Just wondering: was there any specific reasoning WGHP is moving from Ch 35 to 8 post DTV transition, aside from channel 8 being the virtual channel?

Seems like most networks are staying UHF, just wondering about the decision making process.

Thx!

Just so people know, the Raleigh and Greensboro TWC are only connected via name only. But Greensboro TWC does run the Charlotte TWC head end from Greensboro.

Wonder why Charlotte has Navigator but Greensboro still on SARA.Would seem better for both to have same guide.

Just checked this mornng before work.No Cinemax HD here yet.Wonder what's the holdup?

Hey foxeng,

Just wondering: was there any specific reasoning WGHP is moving from Ch 35 to 8 post DTV transition, aside from channel 8 being the virtual channel?

Seems like most networks are staying UHF, just wondering about the decision making process.

Thx!

Most stations couldn't go back to their analog channels because of interference issues. We decided that it would be a cost savings in operations and even though we maximized on channel 35, we still didn't quite have the same coverage area in on UHF. FOX Labs in LA ran studies on all the O & O's at the time and concluded us and several other O & O's would do better on our VHF analog channels. Not only did we file for our analog channels, but so did WJW Cleveland, KSTP Phoenix, KTTV/KCOP Los Angeles, WHBQ Memphis, KMSP, Minn/St Paul just to mention some of the former and current FOX O & O's. Some either couldn't, shouldn't or decided they had more coverage on their digital channels like WTTG, DC, WNYW, NYC, WAGA Atlanta, WBRC Birmingham to name a few.

It was not a snap decision by any stretch.

Cinemax has arrived.Just got home from work and it's on.My thinking right now is to give up on TWC's dvr forgetting whats comeing and to purchase a couple of Tivo's.One for den one for bedroom.Have given Time Warner plenty of time.If they do not have proper guide in place by April Tivo is in dvr is out.And waiting to april is me being very generous to them.If Navigator comes and is a disaster Tivo still my backup.The game is in there court now and the clock is ticking.

Cinemax has arrived.Just got home from work and it's on.My thinking right now is to give up on TWC's dvr forgetting whats comeing and to purchase a couple of Tivo's.One for den one for bedroom.Have given Time Warner plenty of time.If they do not have proper guide in place by April Tivo is in dvr is out.And waiting to april is me being very generous to them.If Navigator comes and is a disaster Tivo still my backup.The game is in there court now and the clock is ticking.

Hopefully by April, the tuning adapters will be out for Tivo's so you can get all of the SDV channels.

WooHoo! Charlie got it worked out just now. Both CC's tuning SDV channels successfully on my S3 with 2 S cards. He said he now has all 3 configurations working (S3 with Scards, THD with Scards, and THD with an Mcard), so they should be moving faster.

He said his plan is to do a few more installs over the next 2 weeks, and then really open up the deployment, hopefully with customer pickup/install (no truck roll).

For now, he said the best way to get on the list was to use the web form, that gets compiled and sent to him. But then hopefully in a couple of weeks we should be able to get as many as we need.

Time to order a couple more TiVo's and get rid of the last remaining TWC DVR boxes!!!!!!

[I think everyone will have their TA's by March if not sooner if they want them]

After 50 years of nasty, blurry TV pictures, we finally have HD. And most stations decide they need to add a logo in the lower left corner to tell us what channel we're watching (as if we didn't know).

WHY? Does anyone know what purpose this annoying, distracting, picture-ruining logo serves? For example, if you watch Time-Warner 501 always puts up this large, white UNC@HD in the lower right. WHAT'S THE POINT? :mad:

After 50 years of nasty, blurry TV pictures, we finally have HD. And most stations decide they need to add a logo in the lower left corner to tell us what channel we're watching (as if we didn't know).

WHY? Does anyone know what purpose this annoying, distracting, picture-ruining logo serves? For example, if you watch Time-Warner 501 always puts up this large, white UNC@HD in the lower right. WHAT'S THE POINT? :mad:

I'm sure there is a BETTER reason than the one I am gonna give you(foxeng can tell you better than I can)..........but I'm sure that if its not REQUIRED for it to be shown then its done for people to remember what channel they are watching......not to mention its kind of like a "watermark" that goes on every possible recording.....thats a way to verify where videos are from....

I'm sure there is a BETTER reason than the one I am gonna give you(foxeng can tell you better than I can)..........but I'm sure that if its not REQUIRED for it to be shown then its done for people to remember what channel they are watching......not to mention its kind of like a "watermark" that goes on every possible recording.....thats a way to verify where videos are from....

I don't know boo about network affiliate rules and such, but in my previous career I worked in one of largest network origination centers that originated many of the cable networks ... but, to answer this from my perspective, it was 100% about branding/watermarking. Part of it is to catch the people who are flipping past or have it DVR'd (and naturally some of this has changed w/ interactive guides and such).

What you wouldn't believe is how much effort goes into making these "bugs" both prominent, yet invisible. I'll spare the name(s) but it makes our political system look streamlined :)

bhlonewolf is exactly right.

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but we stopped bugging local programming except news 18 months ago when we changed logos.

This started because we now have so many cable channels, that they wanted you to know what you were watching. It then spread to broadcast.

The worst part are not the icons, but the moving ads that can atke over the picture and sound, preventing you from following the program thatr you are actually watching.

It also partly had to do with ratings. Before metered markets it was common for stations to have to fight to have their numbers corrected after a ratings book came out because people had given credit to the wrong station in the diary for something they were watching.

Congrats Jacksonian! Any idea what caused the issue?

Zane,

I see you got your 13G up!

Zane,

I see you got your 13G up!

Yes, it is up. We are still waiting on some 13g twist flexes because Andrew sent the wrong connections. I have 2 miss matched flanges "vice gripped" together while waiting on the parts but we are indeed up. No more fuzzy analog retransmission.:)

The FCC has come out with their analog nightlight list of stations. For this market, the approved nightlight stations are:

WFMY
WXII
WGPX
WXLV

WGHP can't since we are going back to channel 8. Can't have two signals on the same channel up at the same time!!
WCWG would interfere with WWCW Roanoke which would go to full power on channel 20.
WMYV can't because WRAL will be operating on channel 48.
WLXI can't because channel 61 will no longer exist.

This started because we now have so many cable channels, that they wanted you to know what you were watching. It then spread to broadcast.

The worst part are not the icons, but the moving ads that can atke over the picture and sound, preventing you from following the program thatr you are actually watching.


dunno about other channels.......but I know that TNT & TBS are notorious for having those ads that pop up and take a chunk of space in the bottom right corner.......hell some have even made nose and Paused shows......terrible

The Dem's in the Senate today attempted to get a vote passed to push the transition date to June 12th. It failed. The Republican's blocked it. The Dem's say they will try again next week. Obama is still pushing to move the date.

This is shaping up to be a battle royal between the partisans.

The Dem's in the Senate today attempted to get a vote passed to push the transition date to June 12th. It failed. The Republican's blocked it. The Dem's say they will try again next week. Obama is still pushing to move the date.

This is shaping up to be a battle royal between the partisans.

Thanks for the update! Can't believe they want to move it still. I read this on Rockefeller's site: http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/record.cfm?id=306824&

Not that it's completely invalid, but many of those will still be true in June. I found the "safety/ice conditions" fairly humorous. While it may be true, did they just realize that now? Also, consumers installing on their roof isn't that relevant, since their old antenna should work in most cases.

National emergency/disaster is also a bit silly of a reason. Radio is typically recommended for that. Ah well ... just venting here.

Jasksonian, is it true that the tuning adapters from TWC come for free without any montly fee? (Their website claims this, but it's been known to lie before.) That certainly makes a Tivo HD tempting since I could knock $17/month off my cable bill. As long as the Tivo lived for longer than 3 years it would pretty much pay for itself.

Does anyone know which Scientific Atlanta HD boxes from Time-Warner Greensboro offer HDMI output? I don't need the recorder feature, just a regular HD box. Thank you. :confused:

Does anyone know which Scientific Atlanta HD boxes from Time-Warner Greensboro offer HDMI output? I don't need the recorder feature, just a regular HD box. Thank you. :confused:

Yes, they do offer the regular HD boxes (non-dvr) in the HDMI. You might want to call the local office before going because the one here in Winston-Salem was out of stock the two times I went, so I went with the DVR at that time.

On the transition date front, I am hearing rumors about stations in other markets that if the date is pushed, they will just go ahead and terminate on Feb 17th as plan and just get it over with. Other stations are saying they will stay to the end. I haven't heard what any of the local stations are doing and we haven't made a decision yet. We will finish getting the aux site ready as planned and have it on stand by just in case the date isn't pushed. Beyond that, I think it depends on what the new date might be and how close to Feb 17th it is made.

Starting either today or tomorrow, I forget which, stations are to start their 30 day notice of termination of analog broadcasts as spelled out in the DTV Order to end analog transmission on Feb 17th. What a mess that will be if stations start that and then stop because the date is pushed. Mass confusion of the public.

Stay tuned as they say.

Next time you have power problems, here is why:




http://www.broadcastengineering.info/download/file.php?id=33

Next time you have power problems, here is why:




http://www.broadcastengineering.info/download/file.php?id=33

That explains a lot...:cool:

On the transition date front, I am hearing rumors about stations in other markets that if the date is pushed, they will just go ahead and terminate on Feb 17th as plan and just get it over with.

I think they should just get it over with. If they were to push the date till Feb. of next year, there will still be people that procrastinate and won't be ready.
Plus, I'm tired of hearing about it! ;)

Besides, how long have we been hearing about it? Not to mention the push in the last several months all over the TV! No one can realistically say they haven't had the time to do something about it. Unless they've had their head stuck in the sand; which means they haven't been watching TV, which ALSO means they probably don't NEED a TV (like my logic?).
'nuff said.

On the transition date front, I am hearing rumors about stations in other markets that if the date is pushed, they will just go ahead and terminate on Feb 17th as plan and just get it over with. Other stations are saying they will stay to the end. I haven't heard what any of the local stations are doing and we haven't made a decision yet. We will finish getting the aux site ready as planned and have it on stand by just in case the date isn't pushed. Beyond that, I think it depends on what the new date might be and how close to Feb 17th it is made.

Starting either today or tomorrow, I forget which, stations are to start their 30 day notice of termination of analog broadcasts as spelled out in the DTV Order to end analog transmission on Feb 17th. What a mess that will be if stations start that and then stop because the date is pushed. Mass confusion of the public.

Stay tuned as they say.

This just sounds like a cluster you know what waiting to happen. Oy!