TallGuy (and everyone else),

I think all of us football fans are going to be disappointed come Saturday night. It doesn't appear that that the Broncos/Patriots game will be HD. Neither TitanTV nor CBS websites show the AFC Divisional Championship as an HD broadcast. I truly hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look promising.
Well, your Logic is flawed! http://www.panelcrafters.net/rotflmao.gif

All NFL playoff games are in HD!

And, we've got CBS's 1080i, simply the best!
....jc

Well, your Logic is flawed! http://www.panelcrafters.net/rotflmao.gif

All NFL playoff games are in HD!

And, we've got CBS's 1080i, simply the best!
....jc


I will be more than happy to stand corrected. My reason for "concern" is CBS's own programming website: http://www.cbs.com/info/hdtv/index.php and TitanTV's schedule listing: http://ww1.titantv.com/ttv/Grid/grid.aspx. Neither of which show the game in HD. I honestly hope my logic really is flawed.

I will be more than happy to stand corrected. My reason for "concern" is CBS's own programming website: http://www.cbs.com/info/hdtv/index.php and TitanTV's schedule listing: http://ww1.titantv.com/ttv/Grid/grid.aspx. Neither of which show the game in HD. I honestly hope my logic really is flawed.
#1 - When CBS broadcasts 3 games per week during the regular season in HD, they would skip the playoffs? Ok, then the proof:

One is here. (http://cbs.sportsline.com/cbssports)

The other is here. (http://www.hdsportsguide.com/)

The game will be in HD, count on it! No, wait, could KKTV mess up? Possibly, but not probably!
....jc

Am I the only one who's MOXI box get hosed if I watch commercials on CBS HD (no other channels)? I'm running it in 1080i and it looks great, but if I don't switch channels during the commercials it seems to get confused and it gets horizontal lines running erratically across it that won't go away until I reboot it. Am I alone here? (TV is a Mitsubishi 65809)

I've never seen this issue except when changing from HD to SD channels, but it goes away after a second or two.
Have you tried setting Moxi to output 480i, 720p, AND 1080i in the setup menu? This makes Moxi output the native signal for that channel. Any other setting forces Moxi to do the scaling. The scaler in Moxi is not very good at all. Chances are the scaler in your TV/Projector is better than Moxi's.

I will be more than happy to stand corrected. My reason for "concern" is CBS's own programming website: http://www.cbs.com/info/hdtv/index.php and TitanTV's schedule listing: http://ww1.titantv.com/ttv/Grid/grid.aspx. Neither of which show the game in HD. I honestly hope my logic really is flawed.

Don't always belive what you see it listed as. Those places said the same thing before Victoria Secret Fashion Show came on. Everybody was upset posting in the other thread, one person even called some CBS guy and they said no HD. But came show time and it was in HD.

This CBS site has always been perfectly accurate as to what they are planning to produce:
http://www.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

TallGuy,

My suspicion is that you know better than me ... so bring on the Patriots in HD!

By the way, we were watching "Numb3ers" on CBS Friday evening and my Father-in-law stopped by and was truly amazed at the HD picture. Consequently, he's coming over tomorrow to watch the game. Now I have NO doubt it will be broadcast in HD and I'll have no chance of getting rid of him for the whole three hours. :)

Logicman.

WHAT A GAME!!! Lovin' the Broncos 2-NITE!!

Anyone else notice that the HD signal dropped out when KKTV put their station logo on the screen tonight. First Time it happened I thought for sure the rest of the game was going to be in SD. Figured it out after the second time. Hopefully they'll (KKTV) figure it out.

Actuallt that always happens when the put the KKTV logo on. When they first started HD, they didn't have it together to put the logo on. Lately, they seem to be doing it more often. They did it during the last regular season game also. They don't seem to be able to superimpose their logo over the HD feed.

Roy

Great game on Saturday (TallGuy, you were correct about the broadcast and the Broncos looked fantastic in HD!)

This was my first time watching football in HD (Fox and CBS). One thing I noticed is that the banner intrudes onto the "playing area" of screen much more prominently in HD than SD (perhaps the scaling?) Does this bother anyone else? I wonder if the networks could be persuaded to simply turn off all graphics just before the start of a play (perhaps when the center touches the ball) and then have the banner reappear at the conclusion of the play? No one looks at the banner anyway during the 10 seconds that the ball is "in motion". Just my two cents.

Logicman

Hmmm... hasn't bothered me. Since the banner covers the same spots on the SD broadcast, we're still ahead - HD broadcasts are getting to see a lot more of the field of play no matter how you look at it.

What a game today - Steelers vs. Colts! AFC Championship will be in DENVER!! Next Sunday at 1:00, in HD baby!

... They don't seem to be able to superimpose their logo over the HD feed.

Roy

It's kinda pathetic, I think.

Hi, I've been monitoring this forum for a while, in an attempt to keep tabs on the status of HD programming in the Colorado Springs area. The forum has been very informative, and now, for the first time, I have something I'd like to contribute. I sent a note to David Whitaker, the President/GM of KOAA-TV last week and today he sent me a reply. Posted below is both my note and Mr. Whitaker's reply. (Take it as you like, but at least he had the decency - unlike a certain KRDO executive - to send a response.)

First my note:

Mr. Whitaker,

I noticed today that the statement on your web site regarding the status of HDTV at KOAA has changed. The statement, which on 9/16/05 read "The on air date of KOAA-DT is tentatively scheduled for December of 2005" and was subsequently changed (on 11/14/05) to read "The on air date of KOAA-DT is tentatively scheduled for February 1, 2006", currently states "KOAA-DT is now tentatively scheduled to go on the air sometime in February 2006".

I don't think I need to tell you about the magnitude of the black eye that KOAA will receive if the Winter Olympics in Torino, which start on February 10, are not broadcast in HD format. In case you haven't seen it, you might want to read the article in today's (1/12/06) Gazette Business Section which discusses the brisk sales of HDTV sets in anticipation of upcoming sporting events such as the Super Bowl. I would suggest that it's not just the Super Bowl driving HDTV sales, but to an even greater extent the opportunity to watch the Olympics in HD that's feeding the sales boon.

NBC is touting its "unprecedented coverage", including "the most live coverage...of any Winter Olympics in history...and will feature the most high definition coverage in Olympic television history." They're getting us very excited. Please don't let us down.

Bob E
Colorado Springs

And Mr. Whitaker's reply:

Bob,

I understand your concern in wanting us to be broadcasting in HD for the Olympics. Believe me, we want to be broadcasting HDTV as badly as you and many of our other viewers do.

Our construction permit was delayed by the F.C.C. based on a digital signal interference issue with a Denver station. We could not start construction on our transmitter site until the commission ruled on this issue, which was late 2004. Since then we have done everything possible to expedite the constuction. However, we have faced some delays caused by the difficult accessibility to the remote location on top of Cheyenne Mountain and by the severe weather conditions in December.

If we let you down by not meeting the Olympic date, please know we tried everything humanly possible to meet. It may not address your disappointment, but when we do launch our digital signal it will be the most powerful in the state of Colorado.

Thank you for taking time to share your comments.

David Whitaker
President & General Manager
KOAA-TV, Weather First Now

Bob, thanks for the info, but I really hope that you don't believe that BS! :eek:

Let's look at a few of his statements:

I understand your concern in wanting us to be broadcasting in HD for the Olympics. Believe me, we want to be broadcasting HDTV as badly as you and many of our other viewers do.
Their efforts demonstrate otherwise...
We could not start construction on our transmitter site until the commission ruled on this issue, which was late 2004. Since then we have done everything possible to expedite the constuction. However, we have faced some delays caused by the difficult accessibility to the remote location on top of Cheyenne Mountain and by the severe weather conditions in December.
November 2004 is correct. It's been over a year since then, and he's complaining about December conditions? Uh, what about May, June, July, August? You get the idea.
If we let you down by not meeting the Olympic date, please know we tried everything humanly possible to meet. It may not address your disappointment, but when we do launch our digital signal it will be the most powerful in the state of Colorado.
If we let you down? Based on that statement, I'd be willing to surmise that you can kiss the Olympics Goodbye.

Most Powerful? Hmmm, their construction permit has 880kW listed. Many Denver stations have 1000kW listed on theirs.

While I'll never get a C/S digital signal up here, I am active in the Denver OTA thread. We are seeing the same BS in Denver that stations in C/S are pulling.
....jc

Is there a way to tune in Altitude HD with standard adelphia service?

If you have a digital tuner run a cable line to it and scan for digital channels.
Adelphia does not scramble over the air signals and Altitude is among them.

The ALT HD channel should be 112.02

Further ABC 89.01
FOX 104.02
CBS 104.03
ESPN 80.01
CSTV 94.02
DISC 80.02
PBS 89.02

No NBC yet.
If you find other channels let me know.

Several of you have been wondering why KKTV (and others) will drop out of HD to put up the station ID. The answer is money. Many stations bought the least amount of equipment necessary to get HD on the air. If you stop to think about how every single piece of equipment that the video signal passes through will eventually have to be upgraded to handle a high bandwidth digital signal, and that all that equipment is brand new, and that every station in the country is in the market for it, and all of that added up makes for a very expensive transition, then it begins to make sense. What KKTV, and other stations, have done, is buy the box that allows them to send a picture to the transmitter, but not much else. In order to place the FCC-mandated station ID on the screen, they drop back to the SD feed, which allows them to use their NTSC equipment to get the logo on the air (or the commercials, or weather crawl, or whatever). That means there is a person in Master Control who has to flip the switch off and then back on again. Every time.

Yeah, makes sense. We can live with it for 5 seconds.

If you have a digital tuner run a cable line to it and scan for digital channels.
Adelphia does not scramble over the air signals and Altitude is among them.

The ALT HD channel should be 112.02

Further ABC 89.01
FOX 104.02
CBS 104.03
ESPN 80.01
CSTV 94.02
DISC 80.02
PBS 89.02

No NBC yet.
If you find other channels let me know.

Would I need their digital service added to the basic and extended basic to get those HD channels? I'm thinking of getting rid of the cablecard which is only there to give me access to the scrambled Starz and extra HD channels. I do not receive the digital or digital plus stuff, but I do get all the music channels.

I'm not absolutely sure. My hook up includes internet but not digital or any plus services. I would test it the connection first, by removing the digital card (if possible)

I'm not absolutely sure. My hook up includes internet but not digital or any plus services. I would test it the connection first, by removing the digital card (if possible)

This is true, also if they are not scrambling the signals they should be detected by the Sony's tuner just like the music channels are. Maybe. I'll give it a try. The CC is so darn flaky at times, really didn't want to pull it until I return it.

Bob80917--Did you say that you only have internet with adelphia, but you receive channels if you hook up the cable line to your tuner? Or do you already have some basic cable tv coming through the line also?

I think that's what he's implying. I know that was the case for us for a long time before we left D* and Voom died and we went to Adelphia digital.

Bob80917--Did you say that you only have internet with adelphia, but you receive channels if you hook up the cable line to your tuner? Or do you already have some basic cable tv coming through the line also?
Yes I also have basic cable!

I only have Internet...no basic cable. I tried the method you described and did not receive any channels. Perhaps it is blocked somehow?

They have inline filters to block those frequencies. They don't always get used but must be in your case.

I only have Internet...no basic cable. I tried the method you described and did not receive any channels. Perhaps it is blocked somehow?
I'm pretty sure you must at least have basic cable,and access to channels up to 124 because thats where the digital & HD channels are located. It shoud also work if you don't have internet.

As a Denver resident, my NBC station is KUSA digital.
About one third of the HD primetime shows such as Law and Order, Medium, etc. are
broadcast in upconverted SD, in whole or in part.
In particular, the Monday night line up of Surface, Las Vegas, Medium is especially
bad in that over the last two months, only one Monday
night was 'clean', that is, all 3 were in HD for the entire program.
I complain to the
station manager, he always puts the blame on NBC, not KUSA.
I would like to hear from Colorado Springs folks as to whether or not
they are seeing the same problem on NBC.

We don't have a digital signal from our NBC station yet.

Oh Yeah!!!! Gotta love seeing the Broncos get wiped out at home!!!! In HD of Course!!!!

~Josh

:rolleyes:

We had a very clear view of the debacle

Oh Yeah!!!! Gotta love seeing the Broncos get wiped out at home!!!! In HD of Course!!!!
Uh, Josh, what did you say your address was? :p
....jc

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:mad: :mad: :mad:
x Eleventy Billion!!

I have a friend who just moved into a house near Powers and Research. They have dishnetwork.

The would like to get OTA HD and have the Dish HD tuner.

I'm curious if others in this area have gotten OTA HD, if so with what antenna?

They have LOS to cheyenne mountain. Thanks for your time.

I'm using a Zenith Silver Seven and get great reception with it (Powers & Stetson Hills). About $30 at Sears.

I have 2 questions about Adelphia HD:

1. I have two Adelphia digital boxes already. One connected to non-HD TV. The other connected through a Pioneer 815 receiver via s-video to a HP VP6111 projector. The Adelphia digital signal I am getting looks pretty good through the PJ, but if I go to a HD box will I be able to run component out of the box to the receiver and thus also component to the PJ? NO doubt that woul dimprove the projected image...

2. Does Adelphia offer enough HD content to make it worth while? I am thinking it wol dbe nice to see the Superbowl in HD but beyond that?

3. Which brings me to another question. Running an HD signal on component out of the cable box which gets passed through the receiver by component to the PJ, will I still see a projected HD image?

Thanks...

I have 2 questions about Adelphia HD:

3. Which brings me to another question. Running an HD signal on component out of the cable box which gets passed through the receiver by component to the PJ, will I still see a projected HD image?

Thanks...Only if your PJ is an HD projector, minimum resolution of 1280x720

As far as content is concerned, that's a very subjective issue. Keep in mind that you don't need cable or DBS to receive local OTA-HD.

Why would you run component through the receiver to get to the projector? Is it because you have 2 component sources to switch, but not enough inputs on the TV? That's the only reason I can think of.

TG,
It's a lot simpler and less expensive to use a receiver or preamp for video switching than it it is to run dual or multiple cables to a PJ.

Thanks all... yes the PJ is HD so it sounds like the HD signal coming from the HD cable box would be vastly improved if I run it component out of the box through the receiveer and then component to the PJ... but it does not sound like Adelphia impresses you guys with HD content.

As to the "why" of a receiver/component setup, ues, I do have three component inputs on the receiver and feed a DVD player, HTPC, and (hopefully) a HD cable box to them. That gives me easy switching to feed all signals by component to the PJ. There is no TV involved in the HT setup... sorry for the confusion.

Thanks.

I have 2 questions about Adelphia HD:

1. I have two Adelphia digital boxes already. One connected to non-HD TV. The other connected through a Pioneer 815 receiver via s-video to a HP VP6111 projector. The Adelphia digital signal I am getting looks pretty good through the PJ, but if I go to a HD box will I be able to run component out of the box to the receiver and thus also component to the PJ? NO doubt that woul dimprove the projected image...

2. Does Adelphia offer enough HD content to make it worth while? I am thinking it wol dbe nice to see the Superbowl in HD but beyond that?

3. Which brings me to another question. Running an HD signal on component out of the cable box which gets passed through the receiver by component to the PJ, will I still see a projected HD image?

Thanks...

As for #2, I've had Adelphia HD for about a year and am pleased with their HD lineup (although maybe I just don't know what I'm missing). They offer HDNet, HDNet Movies, INHD1, INHD2, ESPN HD, Discovery HD and HD versions of HBO, Starz and Showtime. As well, they show some Altitude HD programming on the InDemand HD channel (703). Fox and CBS look great, as do live events on ABC. Looking forward to NBC :)

The DVR they offer (Mot BMC9012) has its issues, but getting a dual tuner HD DVR for a few bucks/month is still a good deal to me. It has both DVI and component out, but the DVI only handles HD currently.

My suggestion would be to try it out for a few weeks. You can always return it and blame me for giving bad advice ;)

Well, without the Broncos it just won't be the same ... however, at least it appears that the SB will broadcast in HD in The Springs (this is from Joe Reed, KRDO's chief engineer on Jan 23, 2006):

"Since Jan 2 2006 we have been broadcasting LIVE HD this will include the Super Bowl on Feb 5. I do not have a date when we will broadcast Net-Delay content in HD.
thanks for viewing
JR"

I have got to tell you all about my wife last week. She is not into the HD understanding nor watches that much TV. Last week however on Wednesday we were watching American Idol in HD on Fox. At 8PM we switched to watch her favorite show Lost on ABC. After a few seconds, she said to me " there's something wrong the picture. It's fuzzy". Before I could answere she said "it's not in HD is it?" Progress is being made slowly in educating the public.

From Joe Reed, KRDO's chief engineer on Jan 23, 2006):

"Since Jan 2 2006 we have been broadcasting LIVE HD this will include the Super Bowl on Feb 5. I do not have a date when we will broadcast Net-Delay content in HD.
thanks for viewing
JR"

I wonder how long it will take KRDO to be able to broadcast regular network (delayed) shows in HD - like LOST?!?

I switched my ABC Season Passes on my HD TiVo to 13-1, only to realize after screwed up episodes of Extreme Home Makeover and LOST that they have bad problems with stuttering on the digital channel!! :mad:

So this weekend I switched those Season Passes back to the sat signal. (Luckily I only had 4 ABC Season Passes.) I'll wait till they are actually broadcasting in HD to switch them back - or maybe if people report here that they have fixed the stuttering problem.

Grrrrrrr,
Rob

Rbyham, I use my amp to feed my D*tv and DVD to my projector and it works just great. I know there has been some issues as far as frequency capabilities of the amp's switching so the 720 or 1080 will not be compromised. Believe me it was really bad watching at 105 inches as the Steelers did the Broncos in. Always next year.

How much does Adelphia with the HD DVR and HD package cost? I do D*TV and have the HD D*TV Tivo and I wonder how the costs compare.

TIA

Susan


As for #2, I've had Adelphia HD for about a year and am pleased with their HD lineup (although maybe I just don't know what I'm missing). They offer HDNet, HDNet Movies, INHD1, INHD2, ESPN HD, Discovery HD and HD versions of HBO, Starz and Showtime. As well, they show some Altitude HD programming on the InDemand HD channel (703). Fox and CBS look great, as do live events on ABC. Looking forward to NBC :)

The DVR they offer (Mot BMC9012) has its issues, but getting a dual tuner HD DVR for a few bucks/month is still a good deal to me. It has both DVI and component out, but the DVI only handles HD currently.

My suggestion would be to try it out for a few weeks. You can always return it and blame me for giving bad advice ;)

How much does Adelphia with the HD DVR and HD package cost? I do D*TV and have the HD D*TV Tivo and I wonder how the costs compare.

TIA

Susan

IIRC, the HD receiver (Mot 5100?) was about $9/month, the DVR is an extra $5. Locals & Discovery HD are included.

HD versions of the Premium channel are included if you subscribe to their package (you get HBO HD if you pay for the HBO package).

ESPN HD, INHD1 & 2, HDNet and HDNet Movies are part of an HD package that's another $5 or so.

I don't have my invoice, so I'm just guessing.

I live on the Colorado College campus (80946).

And was looking for people who can recommend me an OTA HD antenna? Obviously it has to be indoor. My room faces south already so I have a good view of Cheyenne Mountain.

I heard good things about the Zenith Silver Sensor... any other suggestions from locals?

I live on the Colorado College campus (80946).

And was looking for people who can recommend me an OTA HD antenna? Obviously it has to be indoor. My room faces south already so I have a good view of Cheyenne Mountain.

I heard good things about the Zenith Silver Sensor... any other suggestions from locals?

You may have a hard time picking up the vhf CBS (KKTV) with the uhf-only Silver Sensor. I tried a Silver Sensor and found that although it did a better job of the 3 uhf channels, I couldn't get KKTV at all with it. And since it wasn't *that* much better with uhf than my trusty $8 pair of rabbit ears from Home Depot (which also pick up vhf), I returned it. But can't hurt to try - KKTV is towards the higher end of the vhf spectrum, so if your signal is strong enough you might be in luck. Then again, the Home Depot model might do just fine and is a good bit cheaper.

-Sean

Saw this on the news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/bs_nm/media_cbs_warner1_dc

WB and UPN stations to merge. Good news if you want to receive WB shows locally without having to pay for cable or satellite. The future good news is that once the high power analog stations go dark, channel 57 station will convert to digital and I think HD too.

WB and UPN stations to merge. Good news if you want to receive WB shows locally without having to pay for cable or satellite. The future good news is that once the high power analog stations go dark, channel 57 station will convert to digital and I think HD too.

Question about UPN: I live on the north end of town near Chapel Hills Mall and I have a roof mounted antenna. My reception for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS (both analog and digital) is excellent, but I've never been able to get a clear signal from channel 57 (UPN). I'd like to know other's experience. Could it just be an antenna adjustment on my part?

Logicman

Saw this on the news: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060124/bs_nm/media_cbs_warner1_dc

WB and UPN stations to merge. Good news if you want to receive WB shows locally without having to pay for cable or satellite. The future good news is that once the high power analog stations go dark, channel 57 station will convert to digital and I think HD too.
I suppose it will depend on whether the new owner wants to invest in HD. Apparently both Fox21 and UPN57 are up for sale. They'll have to do DTV, but could stop there if there's no money for HD. Let's hope not.

Question about UPN: I live on the north end of town near Chapel Hills Mall and I have a roof mounted antenna. My reception for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS (both analog and digital) is excellent, but I've never been able to get a clear signal from channel 57 (UPN). I'd like to know other's experience. Could it just be an antenna adjustment on my part?

Logicman

I have an UHF yagi antenna (non powered) pointed directly at the cheyenne mountain towers with a direct line of sight. The signal comes in acceptable but not great. It's one of the weakest signals that gets broadcast here. Maybe a bigger antenna or amp might help. I haven't experimented with different antennas.

I suppose it will depend on whether the new owner wants to invest in HD. Apparently both Fox21 and UPN57 are up for sale. They'll have to do DTV, but could stop there if there's no money for HD. Let's hope not.

Ahh, found the article on that. http://www.raycommedia.com/news.htm. Thanks for the heads up.

Question about UPN: I live on the north end of town near Chapel Hills Mall and I have a roof mounted antenna. My reception for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, and PBS (both analog and digital) is excellent, but I've never been able to get a clear signal from channel 57 (UPN). I'd like to know other's experience. Could it just be an antenna adjustment on my part?

Logicman
UPN-57 (KXTU) is licensed as a low power station. The higher up the band you go, the more power it takes to get an equivalently strong signal. 57 is high up, but without much power (142 kW) so it's very hard to get a clear signal from them. I live on the northeast side with a clear view of Cheyenne Mtn and cannot get a crisp picture.

Concerning the discussion of antennas, if you're looking at a more expensive "digital antenna" "made for HD" etc. save your money. The antenna doesn't care what's on the frequency, just what the frequency is. A plain ol' TV antenna will still work as well as ever even in the digital age. And with digital TV you either get a perfect picture or you get nothing, buying a pricey antenna will not make it look any better.

Sorry to post and then go away but the job travel called...

Can I repeat my third question (from above) here one more time and see if anyone can help an obvious noob with understanding how HD works getting it to a projector. As you can see above my setup is Adelphia digital cable running over S-video conneciton through a Pioneer 815 RCVR to my HP VP6111 projector. If I upgrade my Adelphia box to HD, and I run the HD signal on component out of the cable box, pass it through the receiver via component cabling to the PJ, will I see a better image on the screen? Will it be HD?

HP projector specs are here

http://www.projectorcentral.com/HP-vp6111.htm

Thanks

Yes you will. S-Video cannot pass an HD signal. Use component video caples (RED, Blue. & Green) and then you will be able to see a true HD image, provide of course you are viewing an HD source.

Does anyone know if the DVI or HDMI output is enabled on the Adelphia HD Moxi DVR yet? If I recall correctly, the box has the physical output, but the firmware inside didn't used to enable it.

Thanks,
Guy

I live in Co Springs with 2 hdtvs and I pick up local digital broadcasts fine.. I live Union and Academy and have the digital antenna in my closet..(not on the mountain) I get about 5 or 6 of the digital channels and watch the games and csi, etc and planning on the superbowl all in hdtv..its awesome.. krdo, kktv, cbs, nbc, sometimes abc, fox and something called tube..and pbs. I use the terk plastic encased long digital antenna that looks like a cricket bat and a samsung hd tuner..as far as I'm concerned the locals go broadcast in digital and the hdtv shows they broadcast come through in hdtv..

Does anyone know if the DVI or HDMI output is enabled on the Adelphia HD Moxi DVR yet? If I recall correctly, the box has the physical output, but the firmware inside didn't used to enable it.

Thanks,
Guy
DVI should be -- mine is and it looks great. Check your version; if it's 3.2 then your DVI should be enabled.

Does anyone know if the DVI or HDMI output is enabled on the Adelphia HD Moxi DVR yet? If I recall correctly, the box has the physical output, but the firmware inside didn't used to enable it.

Thanks,
Guy

To add to pg_rider's answer...it does work, but does NOT pass SD signals yet.

all in hdtv..its awesome.. krdo, kktv, cbs, nbc, sometimes abc, fox and something called tube..and pbs.

Really NBC in HD? AFAIK they are not even transmitting a digital signal, or did I miss something?

NBC Colorado Springs (KOAA) is still analog. The target date for digital is "sometime in February". Hopefully, it will be before the Olympics. By the way, did anyone see the Heat/Rockets on KRDO in HD? Looked very good, so it would appear that we'll get the Super Bowl in HD glory.

Logicman

I get about 5 or 6 of the digital channels ... krdo, kktv, cbs, nbc, sometimes abc, fox and something called tube..and pbs.
Now that's optimistic to list 8 channels...there are 2 in HDTV + 2 in SD DTV + the Tube in grainy, repetitive, SD DTV on a subchannel with music video reruns... :o

NBC Colorado Springs (KOAA) is still analog. The target date for digital is "sometime in February". Hopefully, it will be before the Olympics.
Since KOAA doesn't provide a signal up here(WP - Divide) it doesn't matter to me. However, I didn't like the wording KOAA's GM used in his letter posted here. He sounded like he was trying to BS everybody. I hope that I'm wrong for your sake, but I wouldn't bet on an NBC digital signal in C/S until this spring.

Good Luck,
....jc

I havent come across anyone with DISH, but with all of the talk of at least KRDO being HD for live, I watched the news last night and it wasnt HD. Is it something with DISH? I can get all of the cable HD channels just fine.

I havent come across anyone with DISH, but with all of the talk of at least KRDO being HD for live, I watched the news last night and it wasnt HD. Is it something with DISH? I can get all of the cable HD channels just fine.

In this case, "live" mean ABC's live signal. So far, it's been only sporting events.

Wonder if the State of the Union will be in HD....

I havent come across anyone with DISH, but with all of the talk of at least KRDO being HD for live, I watched the news last night and it wasnt HD. Is it something with DISH? I can get all of the cable HD channels just fine.I doubt you'll see any of the local stations broacasting a live local newscast in HD any time soon. The equipment costs are very steep. I believe Denver has a local station that does broadcast their local news in HD, not that it matters to us really.

Odd question, but figured what the heck - anybody else notice what seems to be a ground loop problem on the local PBS (KTSC) feed? Basically I get a horizontal line the slowly scrolls upward from bottom to top, just like a typical ground loop, when watching anything on KTSC. It's not terribly obvious, but if you pay attention you'll see it. Naturally I assumed this was a problem with my system at first, but it only happens on KTSC, and it shows up on both the OTA feed and my DirecTV local feed at the same place in the recording. It also shows up on my 2nd system (again only on KTSC), which isn't grounded at all. So I'm wondering if KTSC is actually the one with the ground loop issue and it shows up in all their broadcasts?

Also, I've noticed a rather severe ghosting problem on KTSC broadcasts, both via DirecTV and OTA. It manifests itself most obviously in the station logo at the bottom right of the screen, when it's overlaid on a light/white background. Looks like the image is ringing - ghosted images trailing off to the right. Is this showing up on everyone else's systems too?

Thanks,
Sean

Does anyone know if the DVI or HDMI output is enabled on the Adelphia HD Moxi DVR yet? If I recall correctly, the box has the physical output, but the firmware inside didn't used to enable it.



To clarify this even a bit more, you cannot get a SD native signal from the Moxi DVI output. If you tell the Moxi, (in the settings menu), to up-convert SD to 720p/1080i then it will pass the up-converted SD signal through DVI. The problem is, in my humble opinion, that the Moxi scalar is quite poor. Your TV probably has a better one. I've spent some time comparing the Component vs. DVI HD picture with Moxi and find they are nearly indistinguishable. Supposedly the Moxi manufacturer is working on a fix to allow native pass-through, but no idea when this will be implemented.

Looks like SOTU is in HD on CBS. The sound had a bad echo effect at the beginning and they just now fixed it. I don't know if I can sit thru this whole speach.

President speach in HD on both KKTV and KRDO. Which one looks better to you?

President speach in HD on both KKTV and KRDO. Which one looks better to you?

ABC's seemed a bit more vibrant, but CBS's looked just fine as well. I think ABC also had 5.1 sound (or at least my receiver thought so!) I wonder why Fox didn't utilize HD? [ I have no comment on the content of the speech] :)

[ I have no comment on the content of the speech] :)
HaHaHa, smart man. :D I thought that my time was better spent watching other programming. :eek:
....jc

for me I was just testing on my 32" screen. and I couldn't really see a difference was thinking maybe CBS was better, but I really needed two identical tvs side by side. And btw, I just watched the first few minutes of it and only to compare the HD. I had prerecorded HD from yesterday to watch.

I think ABC also had 5.1 sound (or at least my receiver thought so!)
That would be a first for KRDO to pass the 5.1 through. Hopefully they are, and will do DD5.1 for the Superbowl on Sunday. I thought that when I flipped by 13-1, that my receiver did not say 'Dolby D', but I'm not positive.

Odd question, but figured what the heck - anybody else notice what seems to be a ground loop problem on the local PBS (KTSC) feed? Basically I get a horizontal line the slowly scrolls upward from bottom to top, just like a typical ground loop, when watching anything on KTSC. It's not terribly obvious, but if you pay attention you'll see it. Naturally I assumed this was a problem with my system at first, but it only happens on KTSC, and it shows up on both the OTA feed and my DirecTV local feed at the same place in the recording. It also shows up on my 2nd system (again only on KTSC), which isn't grounded at all. So I'm wondering if KTSC is actually the one with the ground loop issue and it shows up in all their broadcasts?

Also, I've noticed a rather severe ghosting problem on KTSC broadcasts, both via DirecTV and OTA. It manifests itself most obviously in the station logo at the bottom right of the screen, when it's overlaid on a light/white background. Looks like the image is ringing - ghosted images trailing off to the right. Is this showing up on everyone else's systems too?

Thanks,
Sean

I just checked and I can see it in the digital signal but the analog is too snowy to tell. Also i wanted to thank C Springs for puting up real DTV transmitters, I had been fighting for a while trying to get a good signal from 7.1 on RP but just last week I had the idea to turn my antenna to the south. Fantastic signal off 13.1 so I know what I am watching Sunday

I just checked and I can see it in the digital signal but the analog is too snowy to tell.

Thanks longrider. Did you see the ground loop or the ringing or both?

Thanks,
Sean

Also i wanted to thank C Springs for puting up real DTV transmitters, I had been fighting for a while trying to get a good signal from 7.1 on RP but just last week I had the idea to turn my antenna to the south.
So, KMGH's move to RP didn't help huh? KMGH used to be my best signal, but the move reduced my signal here in WP. I still receive it, but not nearly as well. KRDO, forget about it(and all the other C/S stations).
....jc

Thanks longrider. Did you see the ground loop or the ringing or both?

Thanks,
Sean
Just the ground loop is all I saw. The ringing could be related to the background?

So, KMGH's move to RP didn't help huh? KMGH used to be my best signal, but the move reduced my signal here in WP. I still receive it, but not nearly as well. KRDO, forget about it(and all the other C/S stations).
....jc

The move to RP really helped me, it is usually watchable now but has too many audio dropouts and occasionally pixellates. However before the move I got nothing. I dont se how you got their old signal in WP, it must have been some freaky bounce.

I realize it could be back in this monster thread somewhere, but when is KRDO going to get their servers to time shift network feeds? If I'm not getting HD I will just be watching the D* feed of KMGH for now.

We have no information on when. I think Andy Wineke's blog said that KRDO told The Gazette 'relatively soon' or something like that...

That would be a first for KRDO to pass the 5.1 through. Hopefully they are, and will do DD5.1 for the Superbowl on Sunday. I thought that when I flipped by 13-1, that my receiver did not say 'Dolby D', but I'm not positive.

My receiver said "Dolby Digital" from the optical feed -- but since I get that for all of the DT stations, that may not mean anything. When I'm playing a DVD I get both "Dobly Digital" and "DTS" in the receiver display, so that may be the correct indicator for a 5.1 feed. But perhaps I'm mistaken and simply need to read my manual to know what it really means. :D

So, how confident are we that we'll see the superbowl in HD? Also, for those who have seen things in HD already, how confident are we that the signal will be good?
I'm trying to decide if I want to move to NY again just to be sure, but it's a bit of a pain.

So, how confident are we that we'll see the superbowl in HD? Also, for those who have seen things in HD already, how confident are we that the signal will be good?
I'm trying to decide if I want to move to NY again just to be sure, but it's a bit of a pain.

The Superbowl will almost certainly be a HD broadcast here in The Springs. But honestly, if you're considering a move to NY on the outside chance that it might be a subpar signal, I would respectfully suggest that you consult with someone much more "professional" than anyone you'll find on this message board. I mean most of us here probably spend way too much time fiddling and freting with our electronics but I seriously doubt that any of us would relocate even if we had to get the Superbowl delivered as a cartoon illustration via pony express. ;)

I would say that I am 99% sure the Superbowl will be in HD.
KRDO had all the Bowl Championship Series games in HD and they looked great so it seems unlikely that the Superbowl would not be in HD.
We're having quite a few people over for a party so it better be in HD or KRDO will be getting a number of nasty phone calls! :mad:

Now if they would just start broadcasting the prime time shows (LOST) in HD...

Rob

The Superbowl in HD question got me thinking about the Olympics . . .
We're 9 days away from their start and I'm getting more and more confident that we will NOT get them in HD since KOAA seems to have been dragging their feet for so long now. :mad:

Anyone know anything more than the 1/17/06 update on their webpage?

Rob

It was either in Andy's blog at www.springstvtalk.com or in the Gazette that Andy's conversations with the stations sounded 100% sure that KRDO was going to make sure they were doing the Superbowl in HD, and also that it was pretty doubtful that KOAA would be up in time for the Olympics. Or the KOAA response was from their GM - can't remember if I saw that in this forum, or on the KOAA forums, or on Andy's blog. Ugh - it's tough getting old (over 30). Anyways, I know that the KOAA GM's response was pretty doubtful about the Olympics.

Logicman - was your response about "moving" to NY or about really moving to NY?

Logicman - was your response about "moving" to NY or about really moving to NY?

Laughing ... I assume that lcoreyl was talking about using ABC's NY feed of the audio signal for watching the Superbowl ... however, at first reading it came across to me as if he/she was going to pack up the family and the HDTV in a Ryder truck and head east! Now that's a serious sports fan!

KRDO just did a feature on their 5 PM news about the SuperBowl being in HD, so it is a sure thing unless they have equipment problems at the last minute.

It wasn't long ago that KOAA was saying that they would begin digital broadcasting on Feb. 1st. That's today! Doesn't sound good for the Olympics.

Roy

Maybe KOAA will spring it on us unannounced like KRDO did? :D Fingers crossed...

And Mr. Whitaker's reply:
Bob,

I understand your concern in wanting us to be broadcasting in HD for the Olympics. Believe me, we want to be broadcasting HDTV as badly as you and many of our other viewers do.

Our construction permit was delayed by the F.C.C. based on a digital signal interference issue with a Denver station. We could not start construction on our transmitter site until the commission ruled on this issue, which was late 2004. Since then we have done everything possible to expedite the constuction. However, we have faced some delays caused by the difficult accessibility to the remote location on top of Cheyenne Mountain and by the severe weather conditions in December.

If we let you down by not meeting the Olympic date, please know we tried everything humanly possible to meet. It may not address your disappointment, but when we do launch our digital signal it will be the most powerful in the state of Colorado.

Thank you for taking time to share your comments.

David Whitaker
President & General Manager
KOAA-TV, Weather First Now
Reading between the lines, it seems like KOAA is saying that there is no way in Hades it is going to happen by the Olympics. But for those who are motivated to encourage KOAA to get their poop in a group regarding HD, you could call Mr. Whitaker and voice your opinion. If he got 10 calls or more, that might get someone to get off their arse and work overtime to get it done. I've been noticing that there is a pretty long list of posters in this thread lately, and probably more lurkers.

Just looked at KOAA's web site - the 1/17/06 announcement at http://www.koaa.com/info/ says "sometime in February 2006" - maybe that was mentioned above... Also the forum posting at http://www.koaa.com/community/listens/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=12 is interesting because someone asked for an HD update on 1/19 (probably hadn't seen the other page from 1/17), and 50 people have viewed the question, but not one person from KOAA has responded.

Not trying to dash hopes, but might be good to have realistic expectations about the Olympics.

Also, here's the definitive word on the Superbowl in HD from KRDO: http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2006/01/reminder-super-bowl-is-now-in-hd-in.html

It wasn't long ago that KOAA was saying that they would begin digital broadcasting on Feb. 1st. That's today! Doesn't sound good for the Olympics.

I remember reading an article in the Gazette last summer/early fall saying (if I remember correctly) that KOAA would be in HD by the first of the year!

Let's see how many times they can push this out!! :mad:

Rob

I just saw a KRDO news clip on headline news advertising that the SuperBowl would be in high def, as well as Good Morning America, Grey's Anatomy and Jimmy Kimmel.

So, apparently the equipment is in place for mtn. time delay programming. :confused: :)

-Kelly

I just saw a KRDO news clip on headline news advertising that the SuperBowl would be in high def, as well as Good Morning America, Grey's Anatomy and Jimmy Kimmel.

So, apparently the equipment is in place for mtn. time delay programming. :confused: :)

-Kelly

Heh, just in time for sweeps, if true.

I've heard that Dish Network will be showing the Olympics in HD on Universal HD (channel #9419) and on "NBC." Does anyone have any idea what channel NBC HD would be on? And no, I haven't 'moved' to LA or NYC. :-)

Interesting...do you have a link for us? I'd think that Universal HD would be the same on both Dish and DirecTV - maybe Universal gets some off hours programming. And I would think the rules for who can and can't get out of market national networks would be the same too...but what do I know about these crazy rules...

I saw a headline that Dish has added even more HD channels...will be time for DirecTV to catch up soon for us!!

Looks like Universal HD has a lot of hockey and a few other sports - here's the full Olympics HD schedule: http://www.hdsportsguide.com/olympics.php

Hopefully DirecTV will up the bandwidth allocated to Universal HD on channel 74.

NBC has announced that Universal HD will be used to carry a lot of HD Olympic coverage, so anybody that gets that channel will get some HD coverage.

Dish Network has announced that they will put up an Olympic HD channel which may be Universal HD.

Here is a link to a discussion about it:
Dish Network Olympic HD (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=51476)

Dish Network has an NBC Olympic Preview (Promo) channel now on channel 9399. It is in SD.
Roy

Anyone else see the Adelphia spot announcing that they will be bringing the Olympics in HD? I didn't see the entire commercial.

Tallguy (or anyone else),

Concerning the 5.1 discussion earlier, how can you tell if the broadcast (like KRDO's broadcast of the Superbowl) is truly 5.1 or not? My receiver always says "Digital" when I'm tuned to a DT station even if there's no 5.1 signal (like during one of the local carpet commercials.) When I'm certain it's 5.1 (like when I'm playing a Dolby or DTS DVD) my receiver shows the same symbol. When it's analog (like KOAA) my receiver displays "Analog". Is it just a limitation of my less than high-end receiver not to display "5.1"?

Thanks for any insight.

I think receivers are different in this regard depending on manufacturer. Mine was < $1,000, but it seems to always say "Pro Logic II" for 2-channel sources and "Dolby D" for 5.1. Other people's receivers tell them 5.1 vs. 2.1 digital vs. analog, etc.

^^^^ I was wondering the same thing. Our Sony receiver is on "auto detect". When I had Comcast it would say "5.1" in the program info for the HD broadcasts in 5.1. I really liked that.

-Kelly

Anybody getting consistent video breakups every minute or so on the Super Bowl broadcast on Adelphia? Driving me NUTS! And I've got guests on the way -- arrrrrrrgh! Wonder if it's the wind playing havoc with the dishes....

pg,

I've got the pre-game on (KRDO OTA) and I'm watching intermittently but it looks good to me. No breakups or blocking -- the sound is pretty good as well but whether it's 5.1 or not I'm not sure (see discussion above).

Logicman

Seems to have gotten better in the last half hour or so... thank goodness! :)

I checked a while ago (OTA) and everything looked good but the audio was only Dolby 2.0 (my receiver will distinguish between a 2 channel feed and any form of Dolby)

Yep, looks like KRDO is still not capable of passing Dolby 5.1 :(

I'm getting audio drop outs and picture freeze ups during the Stones halftime watching HD OTA/recording to an HDTivo

I'm down in Florence and my OTA has been great for the game. Is ABC 720p or 1080i ? My Mit. converts everything to 1080i .

Denver would have killed THESE steelers. :D

I am seeing horrible stuttering/dropouts. It's really driving me up the wall. I am using an HDTivo Recording OTA.

Laughing ... I assume that lcoreyl was talking about using ABC's NY feed of the audio signal for watching the Superbowl ... however, at first reading it came across to me as if he/she was going to pack up the family and the HDTV in a Ryder truck and head east! Now that's a serious sports fan!


I was of course talking of using the NY feed with a NY address, but now I wish I had!!!! This stuttering is driving me crazy!!!! Whenever I have people over to watch our big TV something goes wrong...

I am seeing horrible stuttering/dropouts. It's really driving me up the wall. I am using an HDTivo Recording OTA.


same here HDTivo using OTA... This is ridiculous, do they realize this is the largest TV event of the year?????

Zero problems with OTA-HD.
Edit
I should have clarified...using a 921 DVR.

same here HDTivo using OTA... This is ridiculous, do they realize this is the largest TV event of the year?????

I was using a DTV HD-TIVO and got the really bad stutter. So I switched to a TV with an OTA receiver on it and no stutter. So it is just the HD-TIVO causing the stutter, the signal is not the source of the stutter. Same problem I reported a few weeks ago. I'm guessing it has something to do with the compression and the TIVO can't handle it.

KRDO showed "Lost" in HD. I don't watch the show myself but I heard others here do.














....Oh and did I mention this was only a commercial for Lost during the Super Bowl which they showed in HD and it looked really nice.

They are showing Grey Anatomy in HD right now, listed at "To Be Anounced"
I wonder if this is because they are running a live feed from the East coast.

I had no issues at all with KRDO's OTA broadcast. It was clear and stutter free for the entire four hours. I don't have TiVo or a DTR so I can't offer any insight to any of the problems that have been described above.

LATER EDIT: Checked it out and, indeed, "Grays Anatomy" was in HD on KRDO! Is it possible that other primetime shows will now be high def on KRDO? Switched over to CBS and noticed that "CSI Miami" had excellent sound -- perhaps 5.1? Does anyone have confirmation?

Logicman

Anyone else see the Adelphia spot announcing that they will be bringing the Olympics in HD? I didn't see the entire commercial.
Joan,

I didn't see the Adelphia spot, but if it's true, that's great news! I'm guessing the Universal HD Channel? To heck with KOAA if they can't get their act together. We'll watch the Olympics on Universal.

But it's not like Universal and NBC will be showing the same events; NBC will get all the big stuff. The schedule for each is all listed at http://www.hdsportsguide.com/olympics.php

LATER EDIT: Checked it out and, indeed, "Grays Anatomy" was in HD on KRDO! Is it possible that other primetime shows will now be high def on KRDO?
Does anyone have confirmation?

Logicman


This was a live feed from ABC after the game.

LOST did look GREAT !!! :D

It was stuttering on my HD-TiVo too. Started out OK and got progressively worse. By 3rd quarter it was unwatchable. Just for grins, I changed the channel and then changed back. The problem went away....

I think we got Grey's Anatomy in HD because they were still on the live feed. BTW, KKTV always (if available) broadcasts 5.1

It was stuttering on my HD-TiVo too. Started out OK and got progressively worse. By 3rd quarter it was unwatchable. Just for grins, I changed the channel and then changed back. The problem went away....

Mine was progressively worse as well. But changing the channel didn't help. I did make sure the tuner changed channels because the 30-min buffer went away. I did this during the halftime show.

Mine was progressively worse as well. But changing the channel didn't help. I did make sure the tuner changed channels because the 30-min buffer went away. I did this during the halftime show.

Both of my HD-Tivo's had the stuttering problem, both were set to KRDO OTA. I would have said this was an HD-Tivo problem, but pg_rider reported he saw the problem on Adelphia. Odd.

-Sean

Both of my HD-Tivo's had the stuttering problem, both were set to KRDO OTA. I would have said this was an HD-Tivo problem, but pg_rider reported he saw the problem on Adelphia. Odd.

-Sean

Had the stutter issue on HD-Tivo and mentioned it at work. Someone w/ Adelphia had the same problem.

Regards,

Bob

Both of my HD-Tivo's had the stuttering problem, both were set to KRDO OTA. I would have said this was an HD-Tivo problem, but pg_rider reported he saw the problem on Adelphia. Odd.

-Sean

Had the stutter issue on HD-Tivo and mentioned it at work. Someone w/ Adelphia had the same problem.

I also had a problem where Roethlesberger's passes seemed to be very wobbly...that never cleared up.

Regards,

Bob

An update from the KOAA Web site:

KOAA and HDTV - Updated 02-06-06
Construction of a new transmitter building on Cheyenne Mountain is nearly complete, and the installation of equipment can soon begin. This entire project is heavily dependent on the weather on top of Cheyenne Mountain. Conditions were severe in December 2005. We recently learned of additional testing that will be required to insure that the tower can stand the wind pressures common on Cheyenne Mountain. We expect test results to be positive, and hope to avoid additional delays. Because of these delays, we regret to announce there is no way all the work and testing can be completed in time to air the Olympics in High Definition. We expect to commence HD broadcasts within the next three months.

When we do successfully fire up the transmitter for the first time, we will have the most powerful digital television signal in Colorado. Programming will be all “standard definition” digital and will have 4 hours of High Definition in prime time hours, as well as a few programs during the daytime schedule when it is available. The format (4X3 vs. 16X9) will depend on the supplier of the programs, our NBC HDTV should always be in 1080i.

KOAA's announcement is a disappointment. I've only had an HD television for a month now, but I'm "shocked" at how annoyed and intolerant I've become with SD channels. I'm sure KOAA is doing their best and in the grand scheme three months isn't going to be a big deal. Until then ... BOYCOTT NBC! [just teasing]

I wish there was a way to BOYCOTT KOAA - there is really nothing we can do to affect KOAA in this HDTV matter. We can send them angry (e)mails, phone calls, etc. but those have gotten us no where so far. What good would picketing in front of their studios do since it's not like a regular business where you have to physically go to the location to patronize them. We could stop watching all the NBC shows, newscasts, etc. but what difference does that make if you're not a Nielson household - you just end up punishing yourself by missing My Name Is Earl & Scrubs.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Rob

I had all the stuttering problems others have mentioned with my HD TiVo using OTA also. I'm really curious what others saw using Adelphia, Dish, or straight OTA into an HDTV w/ built-in tuner?

I assumed this was a KRDO problem, not an HD TiVo problem . . .


A co-worker saw the same problems on Adelphia. He said it cleared up near the end of the 3rd quarter.

It's worth noting that KOAA's problems are not entirely of their own making. It started when the FCC decided against the original channel assignment because of interference concerns and delayed the process from early on. If you want to direct your anger somewhere, spend it on KRDO, which has the ability to broadast in HD, but continues to drag its feet on buying the equipment to show primetime in HD -- and also plays it back in substandard, crappy video, regular ol' TV instead of at least SDTV. C'mon and spend some money over there, KRDO.

It's worth noting that KOAA's problems are not entirely of their own making. It started when the FCC decided against the original channel assignment because of interference concerns and delayed the process from early on.

I'd buy that argument, if it wasn't for the fact that KRDO, KKTV, and KXRM all seemed to figure out how to jump through the regulatory hurdles well ahead of KOAA. I get the sense that KOAA just dragged its ass assuming the other locals would too, and then got caught with their pants down when their competition stopped whining and started broadcasting.

-Sean

Oh, I'm completely with you on the frustration with KRDO - every week when I watch LOST I grumble to myself about the lack of HD! :mad:
And then seeing the LOST commercials in HD during the Superbowl . . .
And yes, there is no reason that KRDO was not in HD years ago like KKTV & KXRM.

But even though KOAA did have FCC problems, they should have been working on Cheyenne Mountain this summer and been putting forth every effort to have HD by the start of the Olympics!

I guess all we can do is send KOAA angry (e)mails/phone calls. I personally plan to tell them that I will never watch another KOAA newscast (and no I will not be watching any KRDO newscasts either) since that's really the only thing I can do to show them my displeasure with the whole HDTV mess!

Rob

Besides the Olympics most shows on NBC stink big time, so really no loss there.

An update from the KOAA Web site:

KOAA and HDTV - Updated 02-06-06
... We expect to commence HD broadcasts within the next three months.



So let's see, based on everything that KOAA tells us, here is the REAL KOAA HD schedule:

Three months and a week from now, KOAA tells us they are getting close and should be ready in less than 2 months.

Two months and a day after that, they'll tells us that all the late spring/early summer rain hampered their efforts so it will be another month or so.

Five weeks after that they say they are very close and that things are looking good for the start of the Fall TV Season and Sunday Night Football.

Labor Day Weekend comes and goes with no word!

Then magically, one day in late Sept./early Oct. KOAA finally has HD!! (Am I being too optimistic here?!)
;)
Rob

But it's not like Universal and NBC will be showing the same events; NBC will get all the big stuff. The schedule for each is all listed at http://www.hdsportsguide.com/olympics.php


Thanks for the NBC / Universal guide for the Olympics...

Sad that "broadcasting HDTV in February" now means "3 months from February"... to coincide with the end of the TV season and the beginning of repeats...

Who would have thought that the weather on a mountain would be challenging in December? :D

Hello

I need an antenna recommendation. I live in Springs Ranch and have a Directv HD Tivo. I have a set of rabbit ears in the attic now that works ok for the most part. I would like to stick a decent antenna up there . I'm going to split it off to a Channel Plus DA550HHR for my standard def tvs and in to my Tivo for the HD tvs. Any recomedations would be great.

Hello

I need an antenna recommendation. I live in Springs Ranch and have a Directv HD Tivo. I have a set of rabbit ears in the attic now that works ok for the most part. I would like to stick a decent antenna up there . I'm going to split it off to a Channel Plus DA550HHR for my standard def tvs and in to my Tivo for the HD tvs. Any recomedations would be great.

You might give DirecTV a call. Depending on how long you've been a customer, what packages you have, etc., you might be able to sweet talk them into installing an OTA antenna for you - either for free for for a nominal fee. Especially if you mention that you got a nice offer from Adelphia for HD locals. :) I got a free OTA antenna and install from them when I bought a new HDTivo a few months back. Works great.

-Sean

P.S. Where is Springs Ranch? Never heard of it.

Hello all!

After reading the forum here and KOAA's recent public announcement stating no HD for the Olympics I decided, in a futile attempt to obtain a waiver, to call KOAA and gripe. I talked with Harold and here are the notes from our conversation (with my sarcasm).

First, KOAA isn't giving waivers because it takes to long to process them. (Give me a break, it's because you don't want me watching commercials outside of your broadcast system.)

Second, it's not KOAA's fault, the FCC is to blame (oh, and God because of the weather). Wow, this has been going around the forums for a while and KOAA is continuing to stick with this excuse. My question would be, why not begin building the structure while waiting for approval from the FCC? Another question, how did the other major networks get approved but not KOAA...I know, it's because KOAA is going to have the "most powerful transmitter in this sized market". I don't know about any of you, but I don't care what size the transmitter is as long as it broadcasts in HD. I think KOAA's priorities are a bit misplaced. "Super-sized" doesn't always mean better - just ask the fast food places.

Third, Harold states that he was on top of "the mountain" yesterday and the roof had been put on and he is feeling confident their anticipated completion date should be adhered to...this time. Yeah, how many times have we heard this? I know I will not be holding my breath. I believe KOAA like I trust "the boy who cried wolf". KOAA has little to no creditability with me anymore.

Finally, the one piece of good news, KOAA's license states they MUST be transmitting by April 1st or they will be required to apply again. This means more money and more time. Harold assured me that KOAA will want to be sure they are "on" before that date. Oh, but wait...if KOAA misses April 1st, they can just go back to blaming the FCC for why they aren't up and running.

That's all I have for now regarding KOAA; I know it was verbose. Thanks for all of the valuable information. I've been reading this forum over the last month and you all have been very helpful.

-Matt

After reading the forum here and KOAA's recent public announcement stating no HD for the Olympics I decided, in a futile attempt to obtain a waiver, to call KOAA and gripe. I talked with Harold and here are the notes from our conversation (with my sarcasm).
WhoTF is Harold?
First, KOAA isn't giving waivers because it takes to long to process them. (Give me a break, it's because you don't want me watching commercials outside of your broadcast system.)
True. But the blame lies with the creators of SHVERA(Congress & FCC). Instead of giving us the programming that we desire, and incentives to get the broadcasters moving, they wussed.
Second, it's not KOAA's fault, the FCC is to blame (oh, and God because of the weather). Wow, this has been going around the forums for a while and KOAA is continuing to stick with this excuse. My question would be, why not begin building the structure while waiting for approval from the FCC? Another question, how did the other major networks get approved but not KOAA...
This has been discussed. The FCC is not to blame. KOAA has had approval for almost 15 months now.
Third, Harold states that he was on top of "the mountain" yesterday and the roof had been put on and he is feeling confident their anticipated completion date should be adhered to...this time. Yeah, how many times have we heard this? I know I will not be holding my breath. I believe KOAA like I trust "the boy who cried wolf". KOAA has little to no creditability with me anymore.
On the front range, they aren't alone.
There is good news on the horizon(for some of us). Digital testing is supposed to be enabled on 04/30/06. So, those of us that can't receive a signal will be able to demand a signal test. This test will take the granting of a waiver out of the station's hands. I may actually be able to view FOX in HD for the 1st time.

Let's face it, the cards have all been stacked in the station's favor.
....jc

There are ways to get the HD networks if you want them. I used to sell dishes and it was quit common where I was from to get people the networks when they "really" wanted them. I don't know if this forum would be the place to discuss this or maybe its been discussed already. Does anyone from the local stations watch this thread? If so let me know and I won't say another word.

Anyway I was looking for a recommendation on a antenna for this area. If you have one and like it let me know what model and where you live.

Thanks

There are ways to get the HD networks if you want them. I used to sell dishes and it was quit common where I was from to get people the networks when they "really" wanted them. I don't know if this forum would be the place to discuss this or maybe its been discussed already. Does anyone from the local stations watch this thread? If so let me know and I won't say another word.
Yes. If they don't allow me a signal test, I may pm you.
Anyway I was looking for a recommendation on a antenna for this area. If you have one and like it let me know what model and where you live.
If you have LOS to Cheyenne Mtn, a coat hanger may do. Otherwise a CM 4228 is one of the best(and possibly overkill). A CM 4221 may also do the job, there is no set answer.

I live between WP & Divide, and C/S is not an option. So, everything I need to receive is at least 50 miles out. I need bigger bullets. But with the low power situation in Denver, even bigger bullets sometimes don't help.
....jc

Anyway I was looking for a recommendation on a antenna for this area. If you have one and like it let me know what model and where you live.

Thanks

Here's my 2 cents :D

I've had my setup for three years this month.

You will need a standard VHF/UHF antenna because KKTV is in the VHF range (channel 10) and everything else is UHF. (remember KOAA is going to be way up on channel 42). I live S/W of C/Sps. down in Florence and don't quite have LOS to Chy. Mtn. I use a Channel Master Crossfire model #3677. It has equal 45 mile range in both UHF and VHF. It is not to big (can be UPS'ed) and is even on sale for half of what I paid for it at Warren Electronics.

Ant link
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/3677.htm

Main page
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/antenna_menu.htm


I also recommend Winegard pre-amps because of their lighting protection.

" Transistor burn-out virtually eliminated with specialized circuitry featuring fast recovery diode that protects against lightning-caused pulses"


Because I don't have LOS to Chy. Mtn. I use the Winegard model #AP8275 because it boosts both UHF and VHF. (29/28 db)
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/ap8275.htm

If you have LOS to Chy. Mtn. I would recommend the model #AP2870 (17/19 db)
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/ap2870.htm

I always recommend using a pre-amp with an outside antenna because of the signal loss you get from your cable run and signal loss in winter storms. (snow)

Also, use RG6 cable everywhere and weather proof F-connecters for everything outside.

Been working great for me, snow storms and all, even without LOS.

Hope this helps :D

I just wanted to add my voice to those who are disappointed in KOAA.

At least KRDO got their HD in time for the SuperBowl.

By not getting HD in time for the Olympics, I'm done with KOAA and will not longer watch them. Not that I watch any NBC shows anyway. This was their *big* chance to draw in viewers for the Olympics. I remember watching the Ice Skating in the last Winter Games via HD-Net, and it was wonderful (even with the day delay). Not to mention the opening and closing ceremonies.

I also wish there was *something* to be done. Phone conversations seem worthless, and as you said, unless we are a Nielson family, not watching doesn't make much difference. But maybe *someone* at KOAA will become aware of this thread, and maybe by spreading the word to friends in the area we can start to have an effect.

Their excuses are worthless...they can try to blame the FCC all they want, but KOAA are the ones at fault here. They spent their money on the silly local weather channel rather than HD. They have their heads in the sand and seem to think the HD stuff is going away. I just wish the FCC had it's act together and could start fining stations like this.

Perhaps if they were in danger of getting fined then they'd get off their * and do something about HD.

I'm now considering whether or not I'm even going to bother with the Olympics or not. I basically skipped the last Summer Games because of the lack of HD. And now that I have the Adelphi MOXI for recording HD, I've got plenty of other content to watch. It's not like the Olympics coverage from NBC is ever any good anyway.

Some days I wish I lived in Canada...I hear their HD Olympic coverage is great.

Anyone watch the Grammys last night? Is it so friggen hard for someone at CBS to "flip the switch" to HD?!? Jeez! Several segments were in SD, and at some points it would go HD, back to SD, back to HD... it's ridiculous! :mad:

Some days I wish I lived in Canada...I hear their HD Olympic coverage is great.
I understand you can get HD networks including US networks from Canadian satellite here in 'southern Canada' from BEV or StarChoice. There are tons of web sites about how to do it. I started the research a long time ago... but anyway it would give you some Canadian HD channels too!

Anyone watch the Grammys last night? Is it so friggen hard for someone at CBS to "flip the switch" to HD?!? Jeez! Several segments were in SD, and at some points it would go HD, back to SD, back to HD... it's ridiculous! :mad:

Yeah there were some very long stretches of SD. Aside from Fox, all the locals here suck. I can't believe that a city of this size still does not have the big 4 in HD.

I can't believe that a city of this size still does not have the big 4 in HD.And neither can we...hence 97 pages of our collective bitching. :p

Just so everyone knows, on 02/17/06 Directv will start broadcasting TNT-HD on Channel 75 as part of the HD Lineup.

~Josh

So far I've been really avoiding TNT-HD simply because of the amount of commercials, 5 minutes worth of the show followed by 10 minutes worth of commercials. Even skipping past the commercials with a DVR is tedious.
Sure it means more HD for you DTV users, but the novelty of this particular channel will wear off very quickly.

I wouldn't say that CBS' HD sucks. Yeah, the switch at KKTV doesn't get flipped sometimes, and it shouldn't happen that way, but 97% HD is better than none and is still really enjoyable. CBS always seems to look the best too, other than fast motion during football games.

Hopefully in 2 months the big 4 will be full-time HD, and then we won't have much to talk about. It's been a while since I checked, but [I hate to say] there were plenty of other cities our size which didn't have the big 4 broadcasting in HDTV.

TNT-HD will be a nice addition, because they seem to do the best looking NBA HD that I've seen - even just from Sportscenter clips. So we'll get the NBA All-Star game and Western Conference playoffs in great HD, which will be good. The Nuggets will have to get back on track first though.

Any word on PBS (KTSC) going HD?

-Sean

What is or will be the coverage area of the HD signals out of Colorado Springs? I am located west of Colorado Springs near a town called Hartsel. We have a good view of Pikes Peak and I have a 50' tower to put an antenna on.
Thanks,
Ron

I would have my doubts about receiving anything in Hartsel. The transmitters ae actually on Cheyenne Mountain so Pikes Peak will be acting as a block. Distance is not an issue, I live over halfway to Denver and get good signals out of the Springs but I am omly about 500 feet below the top of the Palmer Divide so it is a fairly straight shot.

Any word on PBS (KTSC) going HD?

-Sean
I got a return voice mail from KTSC's engineer about 2 weeks ago, and thought I posted here, but must not have. He basically said that they're still working on it, and have made some progress with some of the required equipment (can't remember if it was tested, or installed, or what), but they are still waiting on some more equipment too. He didn't give any date estimate. PBS' setup is tougher since they have to bounce the signal down from Denver via a couple of microwave hops. Plus I'm sure they have less budget and more capital required than the other stations. He said that he would really like to get it going too. So it's coming at some point...

I forgot to ask him about whether they plan on multicasting like so many other PBS affiliates. Let's hope not.

I'm not sure if it will have any effect at all, but I went ahead and sent an email to the NBC corporate offices directly, along with NBC Sports and MSNBC to make them aware of the issues we continue to have with KOAA. I included a link to this thread.

I know it's a long-shot, but if the local station is going to ignore us, maybe going over their head to their corporate offices will have some effect.

It's just sad to see NBC network spending so much on full HD coverage without the old "1-day delay" and yet not enjoy it just because of a lazy affliate like KOAA.

Even if doesn't have any effect, it certainly made me feel better by sending it. If others want to do this, just go to the Contact Us section of the NBC home site and you'll find some email addresses to send to.

WhoTF is Harold?

True. But the blame lies with the creators of SHVERA(Congress & FCC). Instead of giving us the programming that we desire, and incentives to get the broadcasters moving, they wussed.

This has been discussed. The FCC is not to blame. KOAA has had approval for almost 15 months now.

On the front range, they aren't alone.
There is good news on the horizon(for some of us). Digital testing is supposed to be enabled on 04/30/06. So, those of us that can't receive a signal will be able to demand a signal test. This test will take the granting of a waiver out of the station's hands. I may actually be able to view FOX in HD for the 1st time.

Let's face it, the cards have all been stacked in the station's favor.
....jc
TotallyPreWired - I'm sorry I forgot state who Harold was. My impression was he may be a manager who is involved with engineering however; he would not state what his title was. Also, I'm aware some of the points in my posts had previously been discussed in this forum; I was simply stating KOAA is still sticking to their story.

Keep up the good work folks! Perhaps we will get the digital we all desire if we complain enough. The squeaky wheel gets the grease....I hope we can squeak loud enough.

-Matt

Ok, folk's here's KOAA's excuse filed to the FCC:
KOAA-DT (Pueblo, CO)
FCC Form 337
November 2005
DCLIB02:1457247-2
EXHIBIT NO. 1
This exhibit supports the application of Sangre de Cristo Communications, Inc. ('Sangre de Cristo'), permittee of KOAA-DT (Pueblo, Colorado) (the 'Station'), for extension of the Commission?s digital television ('DTV') construction deadline for commercial broadcast stations as set forth in Section 73.624(d)(1)(iii) of the Commission's rules.

1 Only on November 12, 2004 did the Commission issue Sangre de Cristo an initial construction permit for the Station (expiring November 12, 2005).

2 The Commission stated that it would grant an extension of the DTV construction deadline "where a broadcaster has been unable to complete construction due to circumstances that are either unforeseeable or beyond the licensee's control if the licensee has taken all reasonable steps to resolve the problem expeditiously."

3 Because for reasons beyond its control Sangre de Cristo will be unable to complete construction by the November 12th deadline and the arrival of winter weather, it respectfully requests an extension of permit. This is the Station's first extension request. Until last week, Sangre de Cristo had hoped and expected to complete construction by the November 12th deadline. Unfortunately, Sangre de Cristo continues to await final approval and permitting from local authorities necessary to implement the Station's construction permit. Accordingly, Sangre de Cristo is precluded from completing the Station at this time. Because the tower site is located in the mountains northwest of Pueblo, the onset of winter weather means Sangre de Cristo must postpone the Station's completion until Spring. Although it obviously is not possible to know precisely when the winter weather will break, Sangre de Cristo expects to have secured the necessary approvals and permits for the Station by that time, clearing the way for its completion.
There are no other material impediments to completing the Station. Sangre de Cristo has finalized a lease for tower space and a building in which to house the Station's transmitter and other equipment. Sangre de Cristo has conducted tower examination to ensure it will support the new DTV equipment and ordered special brackets for installation of the new DTV antenna. Additionally, Sangre de Cristo has received delivery of the new antenna and transmission line. Sangre de Cristo also has ordered the new transmitter, which, because of storage limitations, will not be delivered until an installation date is set.

The Commission has stated that it would grant an extension "where a broadcaster has been unable to complete construction due to circumstances that are either unforeseeable or beyond the licensee's control if the licensee has taken all reasonable steps to resolve the problem expeditiously."

4 Because construction has been delayed by legal proceedings beyond Sangre de
Cristo's control, and now will be delayed further by the onset of winter weather, Sangre de Cristo believes that this request satisfies the Commission's DTV extension standards. Accordingly, Sangre de Cristo respectfully requests that the Commission grant a six-month extension of the Station's DTV construction deadline.
Ok, as you can see, they were approved on November, 12th 2004, and their 'excuse' is that they are having problems with local permitting. As I recall, they didn't even seek a permit until November 2005, a year later.

They are lying to the FCC in this document, especially when they state that they were 'expeditiously' seeking anything!

WeatherPlus
Hopefully, most of you are aware of NBC's WeatherPlus? There is little doubt in my mind that KOAA will be using some of their bandwidth for this little jewel. I would think that 2-3 Mbs will be wasted there. HDLite? Maybe, maybe not, but the extra bandwidth sure wouldn't hurt.
....jc

What is or will be the coverage area of the HD signals out of Colorado Springs? I am located west of Colorado Springs near a town called Hartsel. We have a good view of Pikes Peak and I have a 50' tower to put an antenna on.
Thanks,
Ron
Ron,
You have 2 things going against you: Terrian, and the radiation pattern of the antennas.

If you contact Gakon(hangs out in the Denver thread), he might be able to plot the terrian from Hartsel to Cheyenne Mtn. That will show you what you are up against. Now, looking at it, Cheyenne Mtn might just be South enough that Pikes Peak won't be a factor. Might.

Also, most of the antennas up there are directional. They put out about 180° coverage. To the East and 90° either side of that. Being West is not good.

Now, if you can get an antenna up on Wilkerson Pass, and a microwave link back to Hartsel, you could possibly get Denver stations. :eek:
....jc

Thanks jc and longrider for the feedback,
I kind of thought that was the case. I guess I will just have to patiently wait for Directv to get the local channels in HD to get full use of my HDTV and then pay extra.
I am a ham radio operator and can work some of the Springs 2 meter repeaters but I don’t think they are on Cheyenne mountain.
Thanks,
Ron

Ron,
Just for grins(slow night) I calc'd your Az & Distance to both Cheyenne Mtn and Lookout Mtn. Here ya go:

Cheyenne Mtn: 110° 30' 36" - 53.883 Miles
Lookout Mtn.: 031° 15' 00" - 57.258 Miles


So, you won't know until you try. One of my most reliable stations is KGWN in Cheyenne. It's 147 miles from me.

Good Luck!
....jc

Anyone watching the Pistons/Heat game on KRDO? I'm getting some very bad ghosting issues both OTA and on Adelphia.

Anyone watching the Pistons/Heat game on KRDO? I'm getting some very bad ghosting issues both OTA and on Adelphia.

Yeah something is messed up.

Just so everyone knows, on 02/17/06 Directv will start broadcasting TNT-HD on Channel 75 as part of the HD Lineup.

~Josh

Good News about TNT-HD on Channel 75 on D*TV......... :) Thanks for informing us.

Hooray for koaa..... :mad:

Anyone notice the Tube is MIA. 21-2 is now showing the same programming as 21-1.
I know it's low def rehashed 80s videos, but it's somewhat entertaining and looks fine on a 32" SD set.

I noticed that too. Hope they aren't transmitting it twice, dividing up their bandwidth - didn't seem so the last time I saw a FOX HD show the other night.

Also, the Nuggets are on now vs. the Sonics NBA-TV in HDTV on DirecTV channel 96. Adelphia people may already be getting this game and all the others on Altitude-HD, but it's a nice extra for me... May only come with the NBA League Pass and/or certain markets though.

When KOAA does go HD in the next few months.... What OTA channel will it be broadcast on...?

KOAA will be on 42

KOAA will be on 42
Thanks for the info on KOAA

I suppose the 42 will map to 5-1

I've seen a few references here to the KRDO audio drop out problems and was wondering if this is just a HDTivo problem? I have a good strong signal from my antenna which I have split to go to both the internal OTA TV tuner and the HDTivo but it seems like the HDTivo is the only one that has the audio drop outs. It's only KRDO and it's only since they began to transmit HD. Is this the same thing others have experienced with KRDO and the HDTivo?
Thanks

I've seen a few references here to the KRDO audio drop out problems and was wondering if this is just a HDTivo problem? I have a good strong signal from my antenna which I have split to go to both the internal OTA TV tuner and the HDTivo but it seems like the HDTivo is the only one that has the audio drop outs. It's only KRDO and it's only since they began to transmit HD. Is this the same thing others have experienced with KRDO and the HDTivo?
Thanks

This is exactly the scenario I have seen as posted a while back.

OK, so has anyone experienced audio cutouts with a STB other than the HD-TiVo? I don't want it to be an HD-TiVo problem... I know it has a sensitive tuner, but geez...

KOAA's license is up for renewal. So, now is your chance to provide the FCC with your comments regarding their performance. :mad:

You know, things like the great services that they are providing the community. :confused:

I believe that we have until the end of March to address this matter. :D

Not that it will matter, but let the FCC know how you feel!
...jc

KOAA's license is up for renewal. So, now is your chance to provide the FCC with your comments regarding their performance. :mad:

How would we go about doing that?

http://www.fcc.gov/

Been out of the "biz" awhile.....
Are stations still REQUIRED to air announcements re: license renewal on the 16th and last day of each month PRIOR to the (proposed) renewal date??? It used to be this way....a LONG time ago..... ;) That announcement was REQUIRED to include the station's - AND the FCC's - address....
ALL TV and radio stations ARE required to maintain a "Public File" containing "any and all" correspondence re: operation..."available for public inspection during regular business hours...."
If you've got a gripe - or gripes -( :D ) with a station....Now's the time to "hit 'em up"!!

OK, so has anyone experienced audio cutouts with a STB other than the HD-TiVo? I don't want it to be an HD-TiVo problem... I know it has a sensitive tuner, but geez...

Don't watch a lot of KRDO, but can't recall any audio dropouts recently on my MOXI.

I have a friend at work that has a moxi and he complained about audio dropout issues during the supperbowl as well. I remember seeing another post earlier about dropout problems during the superbowl with adelphia.

OK, maybe it's just a KRDO issue then. That will need to be fixed soon!!

I don't recall hearing any audio dropouts, but I didnt watch the whole thing. BTW, with this unexpected snow storm happening in February of all months KOAA will probably have to delay HD till early January of next year, provided there aren't any unexpected cold or snowy weather then.

No problems with KRDO/Audio dropouts here.

OK, maybe it's just a KRDO issue then. That will need to be fixed soon!!

I've watched KRDO on two HDTV's simultaneously. One had a HR10-250 and the other TV has its own tuner built in. The TIVO had stuttering and audio dropouts. The TV with a simple digital tuner didn't. For exactly the same show at the same time.

Therefore the TIVO is introducing some of the audio/video issues.

My TIVO has no other dropout problems on any other channel so it isn't going bad either.

Russ

aarrrrgggghhhh

Out of curiosity, what is your signal strength on the HD-TiVo for KRDO? I know that its tuner is finicky about signals that are too low or too strong. Sure hope that problem doesn't last forever, because it sounds like the type of issue where KRDO would say "it's out of our control, it's fine on other STBs".

aarrrrgggghhhh

Out of curiosity, what is your signal strength on the HD-TiVo for KRDO? I know that its tuner is finicky about signals that are too low or too strong. Sure hope that problem doesn't last forever, because it sounds like the type of issue where KRDO would say "it's out of our control, it's fine on other STBs".

I wonder if it's a DVR problem in general, as opposed to the HDTivo in particular. There were a few reports earlier of people having dropouts using a Moxi w/Adelphia. Might be something to do with the way a DVR records and then replays live TV?

-Sean

Yeah, but Frank uses the Dish DVR and didn't have the problem. Plus every DVR probably handles the signal in a different way; at least the software is pretty unique to each box.

Out of curiosity, what is your signal strength on the HD-TiVo for KRDO? I know that its tuner is finicky about signals that are too low or too strong. Sure hope that problem doesn't last forever, because it sounds like the type of issue where KRDO would say "it's out of our control, it's fine on other STBs".

From Woodmoor and with a 10dB amplifier near the antenna in my attic,

13-1 85% 86%
11-1 91% 91%
8-1 85% 85%

I forgot what channel 21-1 was so didn't measure it.

i just moved my parents to (S)DTV, wow, is all i can say. got the (now) $150 Wal-Mart special, USDigital (H)DTV receiver and am pretty happy so far... but ...

anyone have any issues with out of sync audio? any specific stations? we're watching KXRM/Will and Grace and it seems to be at least 1/2 a second out of sync... not sure if any other show have been, just hooked it up :)

pity i rushed to get the parents a DTV set but olympics aren't being broadcast in digital. my bad, should have read here first ;-p

From Woodmoor and with a 10dB amplifier near the antenna in my attic,

13-1 85% 86%
11-1 91% 91%
8-1 85% 85%

I forgot what channel 21-1 was so didn't measure it.
Hmmm.... Nothing wrong with those...

i just moved my parents to (S)DTV, wow, is all i can say. got the (now) $150 Wal-Mart special, USDigital (H)DTV receiver and am pretty happy so far... but ...

anyone have any issues with out of sync audio? any specific stations? we're watching KXRM/Will and Grace and it seems to be at least 1/2 a second out of sync... not sure if any other show have been, just hooked it up :)

pity i rushed to get the parents a DTV set but olympics aren't being broadcast in digital. my bad, should have read here first ;-p
This is the place to get the scoop; welcome!

I haven't seen a 1/2 second difference in quite a while but sometimes it's just noticeable. I'll check it out tomorrow night when I fire up the theater again.

yeah, it's a bit noticeable when someone on the show closes a door and you hear it VERY noticeabley later X) like maybe even after a cut. the funny thing is that i'm the one that usually notices it (i do a lot of DVD to Xvid encodings myself) and play around with musicvideos a lot... and my mom was the one that pointed the sync issue out!

From Andrew Wineke's column (http://gazette.com/display.php?secid=8) in the Gazette today:

WHERE’S THE HD?: Last week, we asked readers what they thought of NBC’s coverage of the Olympics. Plenty of viewers were impressed with the skating competitions, even without big American stars, and the high-octane skiing events. A lone reader even called for more curling coverage.

What was surprising was hearing so many readers complain about KOAA/Channels 5&30 not broadcasting the Olympics in high definition.

KOAA is the last local station to make the switch to HD. The station had been shooting to have its upgrade completed in time for the Games, but blamed bad weather in December for missing the deadline. KOAA now plans to make the switch by April.

Maybe the complaints mean that there are finally enough people out there with HDTVs to make a real difference in viewing patterns.

Not that it'll help...but nice to see.

aarrrrgggghhhh

Out of curiosity, what is your signal strength on the HD-TiVo for KRDO? I know that its tuner is finicky about signals that are too low or too strong. Sure hope that problem doesn't last forever, because it sounds like the type of issue where KRDO would say "it's out of our control, it's fine on other STBs".
I've had a signal strength of 90 to 92 on KRDO every time I've checked it. I think it has to be something KRDO is doing because I watched that channel fine for months before they went to HD and never had a problem. I can't watch them side by side at the same time from the HDTivo and TV tuner but I never get an audio dropout unless I'm watching KRDO on the HDTivo. I'm beginning to wonder if the signal is TOO strong and the audio is getting clipped. Maybe I'll try to attenuate the signal someway and see what happens.

Guy's,
I doubt it's the signal. As stated previously, no audio dropouts here using my 921 DVR. I've haven't experienced any dropouts with my model 6000 receiver either.

Speaking of HD Olympics, this is from the Denver OTA thread, courtesy of BobLikesHDTV:

KUSA-HD OLYMPICS COVERAGE ON 53-1

While noodling around the channels this morning during the breaks in the US Hockey game (if you could call that pitiful showing a hockey game), I discovered that 9News's coverage of the Olympics was on 53-1 out of Castle Rock. Not only that, but the NASCAR that followed.

And the picture and signal were even better, crisper and stronger than 9-1.

What a nice discovery.

So if you are having trouble getting the games on 9-1, try 53-1.

I haven't confirmed the Olympics coverage on 53-1, but while I don't get even a sniff of the downtown Denver DT stations, 53-1 comes in fine.

I just tried tuning in 53 but I'm not receiving anything in Gleneagle. I suspect the palmer divide is blocking the signal.

I just tried tuning in 53 but I'm not receiving anything in Gleneagle. I suspect the palmer divide is blocking the signal.

What frequency is channel 53 actually broadcasting on?

-Sean

Just a quick note, I checked 53 a few times after that was posted and all they had was their regular programming.

I think 53 is broadcasting on digital frequency of 46. I can't pick up that frequency either.

Speaking of HD Olympics, this is from the Denver OTA thread, courtesy of BobLikesHDTV:

KUSA-HD OLYMPICS COVERAGE ON 53-1

While noodling around the channels this morning during the breaks in the US Hockey game (if you could call that pitiful showing a hockey game), I discovered that 9News's coverage of the Olympics was on 53-1 out of Castle Rock. Not only that, but the NASCAR that followed.

And the picture and signal were even better, crisper and stronger than 9-1.

What a nice discovery.

So if you are having trouble getting the games on 9-1, try 53-1.

I haven't confirmed the Olympics coverage on 53-1, but while I don't get even a sniff of the downtown Denver DT stations, 53-1 comes in fine.

I apologize for the apparently bad information. Maybe it was just a weekend special arrangement.

53.1 is broadcasting on UHF channel 46. I believe the station's tower is actually in or near Elizabeth, and not in Castle Rock. I have never seen any reports that they have actually broadcast any HD signal, so I would take the report on the Denver OTA thread with a grain of salt.

Currently, with NBC broadcasting Olympic figure skating, I am getting an infomercial on 53.1, in 4:3 SD. I should also "admit" that my location is near the top of the Palmer Divide (about 7450 feet), roughly 10 miles east of Monument. Although I get about 90% signal strength on 53.1 (with my antenna pointed at Elizabeth), the Palmer Divide certainly could be blocking reception for those of you farther south and at lower elevation.

aarrrrgggghhhh

Out of curiosity, what is your signal strength on the HD-TiVo for KRDO? I know that its tuner is finicky about signals that are too low or too strong. Sure hope that problem doesn't last forever, because it sounds like the type of issue where KRDO would say "it's out of our control, it's fine on other STBs".

I had to put an attenuator from Radio Shack in line to reduce drop outs. I think it was about 8 bucks.

I have HD Tivo. I've also had dropouts that seem to be caching issues but it's hard to isolate because it's infrequent. I have to change both tuners to clear the cached recording and it seems to clear it up. I've only had this problem twice.

Regards,

Bob

Looks like I'm receiving a signal on Adelphia 704, although there's nothing there (either it's scrambled or there's no programming yet). Anybody know what's coming on this channel?

Is there anyone that lives in C.S. (say south of Baptist Rd.) that's receiving any of the Denver OTA signals (either analog or digital)? If so, what kind of an antenna setup do you have?

Just wondering,
Logicman

South of Baptist road...nope. North, possibly. Use the Search This Thread button near the top of the page with Denver as your search term and you'll find a few earlier discussions on the subject.

Looks like I'm receiving a signal on Adelphia 704, although there's nothing there (either it's scrambled or there's no programming yet). Anybody know what's coming on this channel?

No, but I did catch the end of an Adelphia ad highlighting EPSN2 in HD. Maybe it'll be on 704.

Hey guys, did anyone notice that Krdo is broadcasting a secondary channel on
13-2 they're broadcasting a hockey game right now.

Hey guys, did anyone notice that Krdo is broadcasting a secondary channel on
13-2 they're broadcasting a hockey game right now.


Humm, for some reason I'm only getting "Forest Gump" on all three channels (DirecTV Local Channel, 13-1 and 13-2). 13-1 is poor quality but in 4:3 and 13-2 is also in poor quality but stretched to full screen. Tivo says KRDO is broadcasting "Gump" in HDTV so that must be why, although the picture quality is poor, its aspect ratio is correct.

I find it bizarre we are getting different programming. I was really looking forward to a hockey game tonight. :(

-Skibum

Humm, for some reason I'm only getting "Forest Gump" on all three channels (DirecTV Local Channel, 13-1 and 13-2). 13-1 is poor quality but in 4:3 and 13-2 is also in poor quality but stretched to full screen. Tivo says KRDO is broadcasting "Gump" in HDTV so that must be why, although the picture quality is poor, its aspect ratio is correct.

I find it bizarre we are getting different programming. I was really looking forward to a hockey game tonight. :(

-Skibum

I think it ended at 8:30 pm so they probably went back to broadcasting the same thing on both channels.

Interesting that they are thinking about multicasting...I wouldn't think an ABC affiliate would have much else to show on a secondary channel if not a news or weather loop...

South of Baptist road...nope. North, possibly. Use the Search This Thread button near the top of the page with Denver as your search term and you'll find a few earlier discussions on the subject.

Understood, Frank. That's what I figured so I'll just have to be happy that I get a good signal on the CS locals.

I see a few people having issues with their HD Tivo's. I'm down in Pueblo and after a LOT of effort and antennas (Winegard SS2000 rocks) I finally get strong signals for all the locals. I have also noticed video and audio breakups but more on ESPN and TNT - that could be because I watch them more. I have noticed it on both local and satellite HD channels. Don't notice it so much with SD. I was having some serious issues with the Super Bowl but I think that must have been KRDO. I believe that the theory about the problem being the cached recording is the case because I can usually make the problem clear up for a while by switching tuners or changing the channel and coming back.

I did a little research and if you look on tivocommunity there are a lot of posts about stuttering with the HD Tivo. I would say this is probably a hardware/software issue. There is no mention of this specific problem on the official Tivo site so that would lead me to believe even more that it is a hardware problem that they haven't figured out yet.

Personally, I think TNT is an awesome addition to the HD lineup. We can watch all of the NBA playoffs in HD now plus they show lots of movies with very little editing (GD, F-bombs, and nudity are the only things I have noticed being edited). So they have a lot of commercials - that's why I have a Tivo.

One last note - this forum has been a tremondous help in my quest for HD. Thanks for all of the info.

I live in pueblo as well and I get my HD from comcast on a Motorola Dual Recorder with HDMI. I only get sound and video problems on the krdo digital station where the sound keeps breaking out and sometimes the video might break-up once or twice during lost or greys anatomy. All other stations come in great and it sure is nice recording two HD feeds at the same time.

Nice to have so many new people here - you can tell that HDTV is becoming more mainstream all the time. I've wanted to go back and count the different people that have posted, even just in 2006 - seems like at least 50.

wken24, I was just configuring a Comcast Motorola 2-tuner HD-DVR up in the mountains this weekend and overall, I was pretty impressed with it. I was interested because it appears that Comcast is taking over Colorado Springs soon. At least 15 hours of recording capacity is more acceptable than the 8 in Colorado Springs, not as good as the 30 on the HD-TiVo. It was nice to have the faster navigation speed, though most TiVo owners don't know that you can reorganize your Season Passes and set recordings much faster if you tune to a nonexistent channel first. It did have a hellacious bug which consumed about 2 hours of my life tracking it down, where most of the time after powering on, it couldn't find any live channels. I was swapping cables and going crazy, until I found that if you first played a few seconds of a recorded show, then went back to live TV, you were fine. I called Comcast and they said, yeah, that's something we're working on... :mad: Oh well.

Looks like I'm receiving a signal on Adelphia 704, although there's nothing there (either it's scrambled or there's no programming yet). Anybody know what's coming on this channel?


I saw that....but now its gone :mad:

Also, about 2 weeks ago on the HD channel for KRDO it looked like they were testing their equipment and running clips of Good Morning America, movie trailors and some other stuff and it was all in HD...while at the sametime on the SD KRDO they were running their normal broadcast.
I thought, WOW, they must have everything in HD now. Yeah, right :mad:

Also, about 2 weeks ago on the HD channel for KRDO it looked like they were testing their equipment and running clips of Good Morning America, movie trailors and some other stuff and it was all in HD

What you saw was the HD test loop that ABC puts up at the beginning of every HD satlellite transmission that is sent to stations. They have been using the same loop for several years now. Sometimes stations accidentally pass that through over the air.

Roy

Just checking to see if anyone knew what 704 was reserved for on Adelphia.... It no longer is showing up in the guide though as was stated earlier.

I'm generally disgusted lately about the HD situation here... I wonder if KTSC PBS will beat KOAA in broadcasting HD. I watch more PBS anyways.

-Kelly

Just checking to see if anyone knew what 704 was reserved for on Adelphia.... It no longer is showing up in the guide though as was stated earlier.


I had also been wondering about 704. I've come to the conclusion (I'm not exactly sure how I reached it though) that it was for some kind of PPV program, e.g. WWE Wrestling or something along those lines. With the event gone, the channel has also disappeared.

(or maybe it was all just a dream?)

I'm glad they're passing the feed on the Oscars tonight, although I'm not too excited about the outcomes....

When I can watch LOST and INVASION on KRDO in HD, then I will tune in. Until then, no KRDO for me. :(

I'm glad they're passing the feed on the Oscars tonight, although I'm not too excited about the outcomes....

Ehhh, when are the Oscar's ever exciting? But anyway, I'm glad there was no audio/video stuttering on my HD-TiVo (unlike during the SuperBowl). So it appears to be a KRDO problem that they've cleared up?

So the Oscars were shown live, which meant HD on KRDO?
And people had no stuttering problems?

I TiVo'ed the DirecTV channel for the wife and never checked 13-1... Bummer!

Just moved into town (Rockrimmon) from the Black Forest area. Use DirecTV for SD stuff and have a small antenna for OTA HD broadcasts into a Plasma HD TV. Plan on putting a regular VHF/UHF antenna up in the attic of my home and pointing it at Cheyenne Mountain in the next few weeks.

So far it's working well with the exception of the lack of a local NBC HD broadcast..

My question: Despite the fact that I'm in Rockrimmon, I get channel 30 a lot better than channel 5. I always thought 5 was for COS and 30 was for Pueblo? What's up with that?

Since my wife likes to watch Law and Order and Law and Order SVU, would be great to have a HD NBC. Looks like it may be < 3 months away.

Tom

I believe 30 is COS and 5 is Pueblo...

Hopefully KOAA-HD is just 1 or 2 months away! (And time-shifted KRDO-HD!)

New here but have been reading this thread for a few months. An introduction, I get my HD from a rooftop antenna plugged into my Dish 921 DVR. Since I noticed most here use Adelphia or Directv, I'll offer to help with any Dish HD questions if anyone has some.

I too am chomping to get the majors in HD, but what about PBS? Their digital signal has been up for a while but no HD. Does anyone have an ETA for channel 8?

Hi and welcome! This is the latest word in this forum on KTSC/PBS:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7109318&highlight=KTSC#post7109318

Since I noticed most here use Adelphia or Directv,
Oh, Frank and Roy will love that one... :D

I've bugged the stations by phonecall enough probably. Do we have any volunteers to call and get updates from KRDO, KOAA and KTSC? It's not real hard, you just ask for Engineering and politely ask where they are on their full-power HD rollout... (or the time-shifting in KRDO's case). Maybe ask about plans to multicast (ack!)

Any updates HAVE to be posted here, it's a law...

Post up some phone numbers and I'll round up the E* subscribers!! :p

KRDO 575-6213

KTSC (719) 543-8800 - use the area code because it's in Pueblo or somewhere

KOAA 632-5030

So the Oscars were shown live, which meant HD on KRDO?
And people had no stuttering problems?

I TiVo'ed the DirecTV channel for the wife and never checked 13-1... Bummer!
I'm a little reluctant to jump to any conclusions but I must admit that I haven't seen the audio dropouts recently on the HDTivo that I had been experiencing. Fingers crossed, maybe they finally got to the bottom of that situation.

I'm a little reluctant to jump to any conclusions but I must admit that I haven't seen the audio dropouts recently on the HDTivo that I had been experiencing. Fingers crossed, maybe they finally got to the bottom of that situation.

I TiVo'ed the rerun of Lost on 13-1 (on my D* HR10-250) last night and I have watched the first 10 minutes so far with no audio dropouts or stuttering of any kind. I'll finish watching the rest of it by the weekend and maybe I can change all my Season Passes back from 13 to 13-1 . . .

Anyone else watched 13-1 via an HR10-250 lately and wanna report on audio/video problems - or lack thereof?

Thanks,
Rob

Won't it be nice when KRDO has delayed programming in HD (with no audio/video problems, of course!) and KOAA has HD programming period! That'll be the day!!

KRDO 575-6213

KTSC (719) 543-8800 - use the area code because it's in Pueblo or somewhere

KOAA 632-5030

Do we need to call or will (politely worded) emails work just as well? I'd be happy to post the station email addresses here if there's enough interest.

(Side note: I'm getting the new DishNetwork HD ViP622 receiver installed this Saturday, I'd be happy to give you guys my impressions of its PQ, HD recording, etc. after a few days of testing.)

In the past a lot of our emails have been ignored but the stations were generally willing to have a 1 or 2 minute conversation with a viewer if they've already picked up the phone.

(Side note: I'm getting the new DishNetwork HD ViP622 receiver installed this Saturday, I'd be happy to give you guys my impressions of its PQ, HD recording, etc. after a few days of testing.)

Logicman,

I've had my ViP622 for about 2 weeks now, and you're gonna love it. :D
It's so cool to be able to record 3 channels of HD at the same time. We got the HDSilver pack w/Locals and the Korean Pack. Our TV always seems to be on Monsters-HD or KungFu-HD since. :D

Record 3 HD channels, receive 26 HD channels...DirecTV is seriously behind. I know they're working on the new satellites for 2007, but still... :(

Record 3 HD channels, receive 26 HD channels...DirecTV is seriously behind. I know they're working on the new satellites for 2007, but still... :(

Sad to say but I think its too little too late for D*. My prediction is that within a few years D* will end up just like the Betamax did. Hard to fathom since D* was way better than any cable provider and E* but now... I think the only reason most high end users are staying with them is because they've already invested big bucks in the R10-250 and are getting the Network feeds. I know that once I'm required to convert to D*'s crappy TIVO knock off then its bye bye D* and hello Series 3 TIVO or the box you speak of... Which is what? I haven't heard of anything that will record 3 channels let alone 3 HD channels. Please give details.

I TiVo'ed the rerun of Lost on 13-1 (on my D* HR10-250) last night and I have watched the first 10 minutes so far with no audio dropouts or stuttering of any kind. I'll finish watching the rest of it by the weekend and maybe I can change all my Season Passes back from 13 to 13-1 . . .

Anyone else watched 13-1 via an HR10-250 lately and wanna report on audio/video problems - or lack thereof?

Finished watching Lost and noticed NO dropouts/stuttering.
Has no one else watched 13-1 via an HR10-250 recently?
Hoping to hear that no one is having problems anymore before I switch my Season Passes - because the wife will NOT be happy if she watches another Extreme Makover: Home Edition with all those dropouts! :)

Thanks,
Rob

Sad to say but I think its too little too late for D*. My prediction is that within a few years D* will end up just like the Betamax did. Hard to fathom since D* was way better than any cable provider and E* but now... I think the only reason most high end users are staying with them is because they've already invested big bucks in the R10-250 and are getting the Network feeds. I know that once I'm required to convert to D*'s crappy TIVO knock off then its bye bye D* and hello Series 3 TIVO or the box you speak of... Which is what? I haven't heard of anything that will record 3 channels let alone 3 HD channels. Please give details.
Short term, maybe, but long-term they will still be a force. Even this year they'll have over 60 or 70% of the country's population's big 4 locals in HD on the satellite, for people who won't deal with antennas or have reception problems, and next year that will include smaller markets like us plus room for up to 150 national HD channels - and there aren't that many that exist yet. That's probably going to be a large lead as soon as next year...so we'll just have to keep watching.

Yeah, I'm with you, I started with DirecTV because of the TiVo brand, and I hate most knockoff DVRs, but they're getting better and better. Bottom line - next year is the decision between DirecTV or Dish with whatever they can offer in the near future, especially as far as networked home media center HD-sharing, vs. cable (uh-oh, will be Comcast here) with hopefully a real Tivo Series 3 with 2-3 tuners and a bidirectional CableCard. Compare the channel lineups and hardware functionality, and our choice will probably become obvious.

I haven't heard of anything that will record 3 channels let alone 3 HD channels. Please give details.

Tim,

The receiver is the DishNetwork ViP622. Here's a link to information:

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/dishhd/receivers/vip622dvr/index.shtml

Didn't see that that box can record 3 HD streams. Canondave must have 2 DVRs to record 3 streams, or the VIP622 and a HTPC.

Didn't see that that box can record 3 HD streams. Canondave must have 2 DVRs to record 3 streams, or the VIP622 and a HTPC.

It's my understanding that the ViP622 can record TV1HD, TV2HD, and OTAHD simultaneously. Mine won't be installed until Saturday, March 11, so I can't confirm this from first hand experience until then. Not sure if I'll ever need to record that many programs -- but I've never used a TiVo/DVR before so maybe I'm in for a surprise awakening.

Let us know your experience with the 622. I am planning on upgrading in April when they offer the upgrade deal for existing HD DVR owners.

Did Dish now add name-based season pass recording?

Let us know your experience with the 622. I am planning on upgrading in April when they offer the upgrade deal for existing HD DVR owners.

Got the ViP622 installed as scheduled, the installer was a nice guy but he didn't really know the receiver that well but I figured I was going to have to figure it out my my own anyway.

THE GOOD:
1) Very nice 16x9 program guide
2) Name based recording -- one time, every day, every week, etc.
3) Top notch HD quality on HDNews, HDNet, HDNetMovies, and UniversalHD
4) Very quiet operation (nearly silent after bootup)
5) Seamless integration of OTA channels (although no name based recording)
6) You can watch a different channel on a second TV without incurring a second receiver fee
7) UHF remote had a long range


THE NOT SO GOOD:
1) Sound drops for a second or so after changing channels
2) Takes 5 minutes to do a cold restart
3) Mediocre HD quality on KUNGFUHD and MONSTERSHD
4) Weak signal strength on one of the satellites (but that might be fixable with a simple realignment)

Overall, Iamb pleased with the receiver and I have no "leasers' remorse"

Logicman

6) You can watch a different channel on a second TV without incurring a second receiver fee

Too bad it's not an HD output though, E* kinda stuck it to us HD folks with that feature. How much are they getting for the lease?

Didn't see that that box can record 3 HD streams. Canondave must have 2 DVRs to record 3 streams, or the VIP622 and a HTPC.


Sorry for the late reply, been busy last few days,

The ViP622 has 2 sat. tuners and 1 OTA tuner for locals. All three tuners are HD. :D

I can record 3 HD programs and watch a 4th program that has already been recorded, all at the same time.

:D

Did Dish now add name-based season pass recording?


YES !!!
:D