Wait, so 11-3 is still there? I guess my receiver can't see it. 11-1 and 11-2 are still there, so I just assumed 11-3 was turned off.

Any other DirecTV HD-TiVo owners out there seeing this?

I have seen that same problem on 11-1 with my D* HDTiVo - haven't paid enough attention to notice if it happens on every show though...
But I recorded the Bronco's game on the NFL Sunday Ticket channel so I could get DD5.1 sound so I can't help you out with that specific program.

Rob

WTF, 12m into House and still in SD, uncool....

HD now, 45 minutes in

And now KRDO/ABC just came back from a commercial SD for no reason

WTF, 12m into House and still in SD, uncool....
. . . and the audio was terrible! I switched over to the analog channel so I could understand what they were saying. How much smarts does it take to throw a damn switch and why is this not an automatic switch over? I've noticed that when they switch to local commercials the PQ and AQ both get very bad.

A few day ago I got a call from D* letting me know that the 5-1 program guide data problem had been solved. The rep. was answering my rather caustic e-mail of 2-3 weeks ago. Jezz, I’m glad they told me! :rolleyes:

^^^ yeah, these guys are just right on the ball, ehh?

Not a word to me and I even called in twice to seek resolution.

What's sad is now I do not even expect any kind of decent customer service from D* - it's just non existent IMO.

The fact that we had to go in thru an inside contact/back door to get guide data proves my point.

Hi - first time poster. Wondering if anyone else is having a problem getting 5-1 on Directv? I saw the previous message regarding the guide problem...wondering what that was referring to? I noticed I had two 5-1's maybe a week or so ago and only could get a picture on one. I now just have one on the guide and I'm getting "searching for signal". I just have the indoor antenna and never have had a problem.

The funny thing is I called cust support and according to the guy's chart, I shouldn't be getting any high def as it's not available in Col Springs. So apparently I've just imagined I've had it for going on two years now...

I am being upgraded to the High Def DVR on Thurs so I assume that will fix my problems, but would like to have a picture before then for Sun night football.

Hi - first time poster. Wondering if anyone else is having a problem getting 5-1 on Directv? I saw the previous message regarding the guide problem...wondering what that was referring to? I noticed I had two 5-1's maybe a week or so ago and only could get a picture on one. I now just have one on the guide and I'm getting "searching for signal". I just have the indoor antenna and never have had a problem.Welcome KellyWi, 5-1 is apparently off the air tonight. I haven't checked their web site yet but it looks like something blew out in their transmitter, again.

The funny thing is I called cust support and according to the guy's chart, I shouldn't be getting any high def as it's not available in Col Springs. So apparently I've just imagined I've had it for going on two years now...
I think what he is saying is that they don't supply the local HD channeles over their satellite as yet. I assume you are getting them OTA.

I am being upgraded to the High Def DVR on Thurs so I assume that will fix my problems, but would like to have a picture before then for Sun night football. The way I understand it is that right now D*'s DVRs will not pickup OTA DTV locals and since they don't yet supply our local HD channels via satellite, you may unable to receive them at all.

OK, looks like Snuffy has confirmed that KOAA is MIA since last night. IS everyone else missing signal to 5-1 too. I am getting all other HD OTA channels fine, KOAA is zero on the signal meter. Just checking to make sure my preamp or some other part of my system is not at fault.

KOAA worked fine Thursday night and was out Friday and this morning.

Hi,
My Adelphia CC bit the dust this morning so I had to re-scan direct from the coax. I found HD Espn and Discovery on 80.2 etc., but didn't they used to pipe in the local HD channels somewhere in the mix? Does anyone know where to tune to find these? My Sony 50A10 has it's own tuner, so I should be able to get these if they are still transmitting them. Thanks.

OK, looks like Snuffy has confirmed that KOAA is MIA since last night. IS everyone else missing signal to 5-1 too. I am getting all other HD OTA channels fine, KOAA is zero on the signal meter. Just checking to make sure my preamp or some other part of my system is not at fault.

KOAA worked fine Thursday night and was out Friday and this morning.
Yep, 0 dB on 5-1 here. No update on their web site yet.

We didn't really want to watch the big Patriots-Colts game in HD tomorrow night, did we?

thanks for the info Snuffy. Funny thing is my mom who lives maybe 15 minutes from me (Briargate) was receiving her 5-1 on DTV. But since others weren't I feel better.

Though the information about not getting OTA at all on the new receiver is not good news! I'm going to call then before I get that hooked up. We waited so long for ABC & NBC to come in and now to lose it all is not an option. I found out by accident that they were running a "special" by giving the things away (I suspect so I wouldn't switch to cable with Comcast coming - actually allegedly here even though they still answer the phone Adelphia).

We didn't really want to watch the big Patriots-Colts game in HD tomorrow night, did we?

No not really, but I was hoping to record Las Vegas in HD last night. Luckily I have dup'd all KOAA recordings on my SD DTivo in the FR. so no HiDef Vegas hotties for me... :(

Joanr,

On my Sony 42A10 Locals are:

NBC 113.2
CBS 104.3
ABC 13.1
FOX 21.1
PBS 89.2

Rich

I'm with you guys - I'm a fball fan (depending on who is playing) but also enjoy the eye candy Las Vegas offers. This was going to be only my second time to watch LV, and honestly I only lasted 10 minutes since it wasn't HD (that Danny guy was still acceptable). But to watch a fball game in blurvision - especially a matchup like this is unacceptable!

Meanwhile just talked to my mom again and she is still getting a picture on 5-1.

I also called DTV about my HDDVR install on Thurs and she claims the ones they are now installing (they actually ran out of them and I was delayed a couple of weeks) do have the capability of receiving the locals. Needless to say before the installer leaves the house I will be confirming that fact.

I also called DTV about my HDDVR install on Thurs and she claims the ones they are now installing (they actually ran out of them and I was delayed a couple of weeks) do have the capability of receiving the locals. Needless to say before the installer leaves the house I will be confirming that fact.
It could be true, but others on this thread have said it will be later this year before the D* DVRs will be updated to receive OTA programming. Beware the D* CSRs, they speak with forked tongues :rolleyes: .

It could be true, but others on this thread have said it will be later this year before the D* DVRs will be updated to receive OTA programming. Beware the D* CSRs, they speak with forked tongues :rolleyes: .
Yea, it's probably just the typical corporate BS. I mean, if they let you see free HD programming with their device, why would you need HD LIL? :confused:
....jc

Meanwhile just talked to my mom again and she is still getting a picture on 5-1.
How is that possible? It sure seems like they're not transmitting at all.

By the way, with an outage (I assume) like this, does Adelphicast cable still have KOAA-HD? I don't know if they get it directly from the station, or grab the signal OTA to retransmit.

Joanr,

On my Sony 42A10 Locals are:

NBC 113.2
CBS 104.3
ABC 13.1
FOX 21.1
PBS 89.2

Rich

Thanks Rich, I was just too lazy this morning to start trying to hunt those out, not to mention a little ticked off about the disappointing cable card, it's never worked correctly, and it's the third one!

How is that possible? It sure seems like they're not transmitting at all.

By the way, with an outage (I assume) like this, does Adelphicast cable still have KOAA-HD? I don't know if they get it directly from the station, or grab the signal OTA to retransmit.

Currrently i'm getting no OTA signal on my antenna, but when I tune to 113.2 with my QAM tuner on Adelphia/Comcast, it is coming through in HD. So I would guess they are getting it direct from the station.

Hey gang,
Does anyone know how the switch from Adelphia to Comcast will effect the HDTV channels available? If at all that is....

No not really, but I was hoping to record Las Vegas in HD last night. Luckily I have dup'd all KOAA recordings on my SD DTivo in the FR. so no HiDef Vegas hotties for me... :(

Now I know why Las Vegas didn't record for me last night. Darn, and I was all set to blame 6.3a again.

My VIP211 shows 0 signal for 5.1 but my friend who lives off of Barns has a HD signal of 50 on his Samsung ota reciver and watched LV in HD last night. So it looks to me that thay have cut power back as my old signal was 98-100 from day one to thur. I know my VIP211 needs a signal of 55-60 to work so I will have to suffer thru SD for NASCAR tomarrow.

Mike

[QUOTE=TallGuy]How is that possible? It sure seems like they're not transmitting at all.

That's what I would like to know...I still don't have it and she still does - on a day without construction she's less than a 15 minute drive from my house. Could it be because she has the updated dish and antenna they put up top? Really irks me especially with the Sunday night fball...

Wonder if they could have rotated their signal swath even further to the east and south, maybe in conjunction with reduced power? Just strange to have a full zero here to the north, when others have some signal - you'd think we'd get a trickle...

Wonder if they could have rotated their signal swath even further to the east and south, maybe in conjunction with reduced power? Just strange to have a full zero here to the north, when others have some signal - you'd think we'd get a trickle...

I am over by Peterson Airforce Base and I have no signal. I usually have it in the high 80's.

I also have zero signal. I would think they have to be off the air, before I put up any outdoor antenna (the house already had a misaimed attic antenna) I could get Denver's low power stations to register in the teens so witha good amplified antenna pointed to the south I should get something if they were on the air

The main point of my post was that my VIP211 can not lock in a signal lower than 55% and that is what is happening at filmore and I25. My friends local really has nothing to do with receiving signal but the ability of his receiver to lock on and hold signal. His signal in the past has been 98%+ and today while on the phone he checked and it was 50% so we decided the power must have been cut IMO. From the roof of my house I can see all of the towers at about 8-9 miles so my signal should be good. My signal levels have been 100 on 5.1, 91-93 on 8.1, 94-96 on 11.1, 96-98 on 13.1 and 96-98 on 21.1. I just checked my basement tv with E* 811 and it reads 48-51% and will not lock on signal either which enforces my thoughts of reduced power and I did check my antenna alignment today.

I have to agree with Tall Guy that this is strange. My antenna can get Denver's low power stations at 60 - 65 w/o LOS at a distance of 30 miles from Republic Plaza. Granted Cheyenne Mountain is about 45 miles but I would think I would get at least a trace of signal even if they were at a puny 10 or 15K. I normally get a signal in the 80s

Yup, add me to the list of 0 signal strength as of last night.

Hopefully it'll be back up in time for NFL ...

Did any of you read all the rubbish on the KOAA website about using a set of UHF/VHF "Rabbit ear antenna" ...will work best to receive ALL of the local stations?

http://www.koaa.com/info/#HDTV

and this bit....
KOAA-DT broadcasts on channel 5-1, RF channel 42 at 100% of our FCC permitted power.

They have consistently been the weakest OTA channel for me, heck I even had to by a mast mount pre-amp and rewire my OTA line to avoid diplexers to get a stable signal. All of this and now signal strenghts of 0-50 for most viewers and NOT A WORD on their website. Great, realy makes me want to buy an S3 and continue dealing with these bozos.

FYI - havn't been following the KOAA-DT problem closely, i've been out-of-state, but i'm getting regular signal through comcast in pueblo...

No signal from KOAA here in Bennett either. They were coming in at 80% a few days ago, and now, zip.

My HD TiVo in northgate is fluctuating between 0 and 13 out of 100...

--Ron

I haven't searched back further than the last two pages of posts, but does anyone else experience an audio dropout of about 20 seconds every so often on Fox 21-1??? I've been noticing it quite a bit lately....driving me crazy. Never had any issues since the software update to my HR10-250...now I experience a lock up every now and then and now this audio issue which I've never experienced. H E L P ! ! !

Great.... KKTV is asleep at the wheel again.... No HD for the Broncos

Great.... KKTV is asleep at the wheel again.... No HD for the Broncos

I would have liked to have seen that Rod Smith catch in HD. Oh well, KKTV is retarded.

I haven't searched back further than the last two pages of posts, but does anyone else experience an audio dropout of about 20 seconds every so often on Fox 21-1??? I've been noticing it quite a bit lately....driving me crazy. Never had any issues since the software update to my HR10-250...now I experience a lock up every now and then and now this audio issue which I've never experienced. H E L P ! ! !
That is a known problem with the HD-TiVo software update version 6.3 and 6.3a, and only affects audio on OTA channels. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason when the audio dropout hits or which channel. It is frustrating a lot of HD-TiVo owners who had no problems before the software upgrade, and otherwise would be enjoying the faster speed and folder groups of 6.3. There are threads about it in the hardware section here.

I think we all need to call in and ask for Engineering, just to log the OTA issues. I called 632-5030 and hit the News option (#2), then asked to be transferred to Engineering. Talked to a live guy there and he thinks there is no problem. They are monitoring their OTA signal and "the board would light up if there was a problem". They had a few calls yesterday but none today. He sort of believed me but not really. Said he'd check it out. (Yeah.)

We need like 10 people to call in with the issue so they'll look a little harder. They think KOAA-HD is broadcasting normally right now!

632-5030

By the way, with an outage (I assume) like this, does Adelphicast cable still have KOAA-HD?

I've been getting KOAA-DT on Adelphia 705 all weekend... watched SNL last night and we're moments away from kickoff in New England... good HD picture.

Way to go Tallguy! I had the phone in my hand while checking the station real quick and magically it's back on. Thanks for calling them! I sent an email yesterday but that of course got no response.
Kelly

I think we all need to call in and ask for Engineering, just to log the OTA issues. I called 632-5030 and hit the News option (#2), then asked to be transferred to Engineering. Talked to a live guy there and he thinks there is no problem. They are monitoring their OTA signal and "the board would light up if there was a problem". They had a few calls yesterday but none today. He sort of believed me but not really. Said he'd check it out. (Yeah.)

We need like 10 people to call in with the issue so they'll look a little harder. They think KOAA-HD is broadcasting normally right now!

632-5030

I was just about to call and decided to check my signal strength and what do you know HD is back on. This was at 6:30 PM

Thry must have fixed the problem, I am getting my normal signal (around 80)

Yee haw...just goes to show that we should have called the Engineering Room yesterday. I did think he was blowing me off though.

Sorry TotallyPreWired, the stations occasionally do listen to viewers and once in a while work at sending OTA...not that this is the rule :D

I think we all need to call in and ask for Engineering, just to log the OTA issues. I called 632-5030 and hit the News option (#2), then asked to be transferred to Engineering. Talked to a live guy there and he thinks there is no problem. They are monitoring their OTA signal and "the board would light up if there was a problem". They had a few calls yesterday but none today. He sort of believed me but not really. Said he'd check it out. (Yeah.)
At 6:15 I checked the signal strength for 5-1 and it was around 15, while I was dialing the number it jumped to 100 and the game was on HD. I can't believe they have been down all this time and didn't even know it. They need to fix their board too. Thanks to Tallguy

Thanks Tallguy for making the call. It seems with all these people you need to be proactive to get anything fixed.

Sorry TotallyPreWired, the stations occasionally do listen to viewers and once in a while work at sending OTA...not that this is the rule :D
:rolleyes:
Um, did they not have a broadcasting problem? If you managed to get them to change their policies, then I'd be impressed! :p
....jc

Football in SD is just painful, isn't it? Oh wait, we're going to have 3 hours of it next week with Broncos at Raiders... :( At least we're 8 for 8 so far with the whole first half of the Broncos season in HD.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

Hey, thanks TallGuy.

KOAA is coming in at 60% for me now. Not the 80% it was at before, but it's better than 0!

both of my sets (211 & 811) are now at 100 as before.I made a call this am and was told that they were not aware of a problem.

I'm not sure where else to post this, so.....

I have an old Sanyo PLV-60 and am starting to look at getting an inexpensive DLP because I'm sick of the dust blobs on my LCD (not to mention contrast and screen door issues). Does anyone here in the Springs have either a Mits HD1000 or Optoma HD72, or Infocus IN76 that would be willing to show them off? I'm trying to get an idea of how much of an improvement this upgrade will be and what I'm really willing to spend.

An even bigger issue is my current constant-height setup. I use the power zoom/lens shift on the PLV-60 to zoom the black bars off the top and bottom of the screen when viewing 2.35:1 material (I have a 2.35:1 screen, and I understand the lost brightness and resolution issue). The low-end DLP projectors don't seem to have lens-shift and their manual zoom is pretty limited, so I'm not sure that I can do constant-height without an anamorphic lens. But those lenses are expensive!

So, if anyone in the Springs is currently using an anamorphic lens, I'd also love to see it or talk to you about it.

Thanks!

Hey gang,
Does anyone know how the switch from Adelphia to Comcast will effect the HDTV channels available? If at all that is....

I know they'll have more VOD, and hopefully some HD VOD, but not sure what other HD channels they'll offer. I'm hoping for NFL Network at the very least :-)

Gazette TV writer Andy Wineke checking in. I want to do a pre-Christmas story on HDTV's. I thought it would be an interesting spin on it to talk to people with HDTV's and ask, "If you were buying a TV today, what would you get?" Would you go bigger, smaller, get a direct-view instead of projection (or vice-versa), do you wish you waited for prices to fall?

I figure people buying this year would be interested in veterans' experiences.

If you've got any thoughts on those questions, give me a shout - awineke@gazette.com or 636-0275.

Thanks!
Andy

I just wanted to let everyone know that I got the new HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360 last night at Circuit City on North Academy and I can confidently tell you guys this is a GREAT value! I am running the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive via the VGA port to my Westinghouse LVM-47w1 1080p Monitor. This PQ is handsdown the best I have ever seen. It blows HDTV PQ away! Last night I watched the HD-DVD version of King Kong (Which comes free with Xbox HD-DVD drive) and I am still in shock. I also own the Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD stand-alone player and the Samsung BD-P100 Blu-ray stand-alone player and there is no doubt for PQ, the Xbox drive has them beat. I just wanted to let you guys know about this great value!

~Josh

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Xbox-360-HD-DVD-Player/sem/rpsm/oid/166160/catOid/-16483/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I just wanted to let everyone know that I got the new HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360 last night at Circuit City on North Academy and I can confidently tell you guys this is a GREAT value! I am running the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive via the VGA port to my Westinghouse LVM-47w1 1080p Monitor. This PQ is handsdown the best I have ever seen. It blows HDTV PQ away! Last night I watched the HD-DVD version of King Kong (Which comes free with Xbox HD-DVD drive) and I am still in shock. I also own the Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD stand-alone player and the Samsung BD-P100 Blu-ray stand-alone player and there is no doubt for PQ, the Xbox drive has them beat. I just wanted to let you guys know about this great value!
I am not a gamer so the XB360 is sort of unknown to me. $300 for the XB360 and $200 for the DVD = $500. What kind of outputs does it have besides the RGB you mention? HDMI? Component? MY TV doesn't have an RGB input, just Component and DVI.

Josh, hows does the actual unit look next to the 360? I like less AV equipment. All i have now is my cable DRV, AV receiver and 360. I have wondered how it would look sitting there next to everything else, and since it is smaller too... Does it look out of place?
I SOOO want one and you just gave me even more HD DVD fever. I told my wife I could wait till x-mas but now I'm thinking more like today. LOL. Might be bout time to trade in some of my games.

I am not a gamer so the XB360 is sort of unknown to me. $300 for the XB360 and $200 for the DVD = $500. What kind of outputs does it have besides the RGB you mention? HDMI? Component? MY TV doesn't have an RGB input, just Component and DVI.

The 360 has a VGA output cable capable of true 1080p and it also has a Component output cable capable of 1080i. There is a rumour that the Component can also output at 1080p if your display is capable of accepting 1080p via component, but I can not confirm or deny this.

~Josh

Josh, hows does the actual unit look next to the 360? I like less AV equipment. All i have now is my cable DRV, AV receiver and 360. I have wondered how it would look sitting there next to everything else, and since it is smaller too... Does it look out of place?
I SOOO want one and you just gave me even more HD DVD fever. I told my wife I could wait till x-mas but now I'm thinking more like today. LOL. Might be bout time to trade in some of my games.

Mrtolles,

That is of course a subjective question. I personally think the external drive looks fine. It is the same color and style of the white Xbox 360. It is about the same size as a regular DVD external drive and it also comes with a Universal Remote and a Free copy of King Kong in HD-DVD. Really quite a good value.

~Josh

I do agree that $200 is a great value if you already own an Xbox 360. I wonder what the rational for adding an HD-DVD drive to the Xbox is. Are they simply trying to keep up with Sony, whose PS3 purportedly includes a Blu-Ray drive?

Are future Xbox 360s going to have an HD-DVD built in? I don't think any of the games currently require the increased storage capacity of HD-DVD, and most games are already displayed in HD...

The original plan was for the X-Box 360 to be HD- Ready right out of the box.

I just picked up a new Samsung BD-P1000 Blue-Ray Player......WOW!!

Movie night at Frank's theater!

I'm just bummed you have to buy those 2,000 DVDs all over again...

All games for the X-box 360 HAVE to be in HD, even the Live Arcade games.

I went and picked up the HD-DVD drive the the 360 this weekend and WOW is the correct response. GREAT PQ on it. Thanks for the motivation beatboy.

Anyone else with HD-DVD, any local store have better selection then others for HD-DVDs? I've been to Circuit City, Target and Walmart and all had a itty bitty selection of HD-DVDs. I'm thinking I'll just have to order from Amazon, but any suggestions will be nice. Thanks.

Movie night at Frank's theater!

I'm just bummed you have to buy those 2,000 DVDs all over again...2000?!? Holy Shiznit...I wish!! I'm setting at a little over 300 an am seriously thinking about selling a bunch.

BB on Powers has a fair amount of both Blue-ray and HD-DVD. Not a huge selection, but better than I expected.

All games for the X-box 360 HAVE to be in HD, even the Live Arcade games.

I went and picked up the HD-DVD drive the the 360 this weekend and WOW is the correct response. GREAT PQ on it. Thanks for the motivation beatboy.

Anyone else with HD-DVD, any local store have better selection then others for HD-DVDs? I've been to Circuit City, Target and Walmart and all had a itty bitty selection of HD-DVDs. I'm thinking I'll just have to order from Amazon, but any suggestions will be nice. Thanks.

Mrtolles,

Without a doubt, Bestbuy has the best HD-DVD selection here in the Springs. They also will match Target's online prices. So go to Target's website, print out the page of the HD-DVD that you want and take it to Bestbuy. Most HD-DVD's are around $20.00 this way.

~Josh

The original plan was for the X-Box 360 to be HD- Ready right out of the box.

I just picked up a new Samsung BD-P1000 Blue-Ray Player......WOW!!

Frank,

I too have the BD-P1000. Make sure you do the latest firmware update to version 1.0 at: http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/Model_Select2.aspx?type=Blu%2Dray&subtype=Blu%2Dray+Disc+Player&model=BD%2DP1000&fileType=FM&LSSI=%2Finclude%2FSSI%2Fus%5Fleft%2FLMenu%5FBlu%5Fray%5FBlu% 5FrayDiscPlayer%2Esec&RSSI=%2Finclude%2FSSI%2Fus%5Fright%2FRMenu%5FBlu%5Fray%2Esec

This helps with the soft picture these players have out of the box. It also helps with the sharpness and picture noise.

~Josh

Did it yesterday, thanks.

...there must be a feed problem at koaa! I don't have any dish service and my tv says saturday night live for the feed when the today program is on! i have regular over the air tv with a free antenna...weird, huh?

does anyone know where i can get a dish 500 satelite dish? please let me know! mine get trashed in this latest snow storm a couple weeks ago...please let me know on here, i will be monitoring or by email...

The entire dish or just the LNB?

does anyone know where i can get a dish 500 satelite dish? please let me know! mine get trashed in this latest snow storm a couple weeks ago...please let me know on here, i will be monitoring or by email...
You might also ask in the Denver forum, as I do know that several posters use Dish.
....jc

There's bunches of 'em on eBay, just go to eBay and search "500 satellite dish", they run about $30 + shipping.

Did anyone else notice the scroll that KKTV ran a few times during the Broncos/Raiders game ... "CBS decided not to broadcast today's game in HD. Thank you for your understanding." Apparently, KKTV got a lot of calls from people wanting HD ... isn't this a sign that HD is really starting to make inroads with the "regular" viewer? Perhaps it will put some pressure on stations to get rid of their crappy multicasts and free up more bandwidth for better quality. Obviously, "regular" folks are starting to notice the difference.

...Dish500...

Briansmac, I have a Dish500 sitting in my garage. I assume you're local to Colorado Springs? Send me an email if your interested: smm6 (at) pcisys.net

Did anyone else notice the scroll that KKTV ran a few times during the Broncos/Raiders game ... "CBS decided not to broadcast today's game in HD. Thank you for your understanding.". . .
I think the problem is that CBS has a limited bandwidth problem with their HDTV distribution. They can only carry a finite number of HDTV broadcasts via their leased satellites and figured that the Bronco game was not as important as others. Apparently the Broncos didn't think was important either, at least for the first 3 quarters :rolleyes: .
I have seen this before when 2 HD games overlap and they switch to the 2nd game in SD until the 1st game is over, then to HD. It hppened on FOX a couple of weeks ago.

"CBS decided not to broadcast today's game in HD. Thank you for your understanding."

KKTV apparently lied in their screen scroll or they have no clue on CBS' HD limitations and don't know how to switch to the HD feed when it's available. The CBS HD feed of the Broncos game was delayed due to the late finish of the Bears/Dolphins HD game and their limited capacity for simultaneous HD feeds (limited to two transponders I believe). The game was up in HD as soon as the earlier game ended, just before 2:30 PM, on KCNC in Denver. I was given this information by KCNC right after the game started, an O&O CBS station, albeit low power.

I've been watching http://cbs.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl every week and last week's Broncos game was not one of the 3 weekly CBS HD games. KCNC sounds either confused, or talked about an upconvert, or found the SD feed on an HD transponder or something.

Also see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8878169&&#post8878169 for confirmation.

If I did ever jump at a Blu-Ray player in a weak moment, I definitely wouldn't buy too many movies at $20 a pop. Having them all available via Netflix for $12/month seems like the way to go.

If anyone hears about a Blu-Ray player (other than the PS3) for less than $999, please post it here!

Link to SpringsTVTalk blog which published a letter from a Monument viewer to KKTV regarding its HD problems: http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2006/11/broncos-snafus.html

Tallguy,

Sorry, I was confused. I was referring to the prior week's game at Pitt, not the Oakland game.

If I did ever jump at a Blu-Ray player in a weak moment, I definitely wouldn't buy too many movies at $20 a pop. Having them all available via Netflix for $12/month seems like the way to go.

If anyone hears about a Blu-Ray player (other than the PS3) for less than $999, please post it here!

Blu-ray Players

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Tallguy,

I own both formats and I like both formats. There is no doubt that currently HD-DVD has the better PQ due to the use of VC-1 vs. the use of MPEG-2 on Blu-ray. Blu-ray of course has more Studio support currently. Rumours are that Disney and Lionsgate will announce HD-DVD support as well at CES in January. If that happens, all studios will be format neutral with the exception of two. Fox will remain Blu-ray exclusive, while Universal will remain HD-DVD exclusive.

~Josh

:mad: Does anybody know for sure if the Broncos/Chiefs game is going to be on in the Springs? I don't see it on their program guide....but I did see that the FOX station in Denver is showing it...............what a crock if we don't get this game!!!!

It's going to be on the NFL Channel...
http://ww1.titantv.com/quickguide/quickguide.aspx

For those of us with DishNetwork it will be on channel 9464 (HD) and 154 (SD).

Does anybody know for sure if the Broncos/Chiefs game is going to be on in the Springs?

Seems you're not the only one asking this question. See the attached article from Tuesday's Philadelphia Enquirer. Looks like things are getting pretty nasty. http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/business/16005398.htm

The NFL Network is currently carried on Adelphia Channel 177 (SD) in the Springs. I'm not sure how the legal wranglings may affect our ability to get the game on Thanksgiving Day or if there's any chance that we may get to see it in HD.

I guess those of us who subscribe to cable are at the mercy of the NFL and Comcast. How lucky are we? :confused:

:mad: Does anybody know for sure if the Broncos/Chiefs game is going to be on in the Springs? I don't see it on their program guide....but I did see that the FOX station in Denver is showing it...............what a crock if we don't get this game!!!!

If you have D*... it will be on Channel 212, the NFL Network...

At least I saw an ad for it a couple of days ago.

Hopefully D* picks up the HD feed and puts it on a high-90s channel...and doesn't block it in Colorado Springs because of some arcane rule about near-home markets... If a local station gets to carry it like they do in Denver for the home team, I would say HD is more doubtful. Wonder how to find out in advance...

Hey everyone just recently found this forum a lot of great info. I was hoping someone could answer a quick question.

I was wondering how the OTA HD reception is currently in Pueblo with a Dish Network setup. I was a Dish customer for years when I switched to Comcast for the HD and DVR. I have never been very satisfied with Comcasts PQ. The first hundred channels are horrible on my HDTV. The digital channels are watchable and HD channels are great. The software side of my box runs slow as heck and remote commands are sometimes bogged down and slow.

I really want to switch back to the Dish but now I am completely spoiled on having HD locals. The Dish guy told me that I can just pull them OTA. My experience with just SD channels OTA is terrible so I am wondering if the HD channels would be any better.

Thanks for any info.

I did some searching around and found that if the NFL network is broadcasting a game then the local networks will carry it OTA......BUT...is Colorado Springs included in the Denver market? Maybe we will get to see it on whatever Adelphia channel it was that was showing the PreSeason games.

Pash also noted the NFL is the only major pro sports league that broadcasts all of its games on free, over-the-air television in participants' local markets. The NFL Network games will be aired by local stations in the participating teams' markets, using the same arrangement that exists with ESPN telecasts on Monday nights.


Found HERE (http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=119&sid=975202)

I really want to switch back to the Dish but now I am completely spoiled on having HD locals. The Dish guy told me that I can just pull them OTA. My experience with just SD channels OTA is terrible so I am wondering if the HD channels would be any better.
Using downtown Pueblo as a benchmark, Cheyenne Mtn is about 35 miles away.

Do you have LOS(Line-Of-Sight) to there? If so, your chances of reception are very good. If not, it's still very possible.

Pick up a decent mid-range antenna, and a preamp if your cable distance will be fairly long. There are a lot of decent antennas out there. I like the CM 4228(and yes it'll pick up KKTV channel 10 VHF). For preamps pick a low noise model. Channel Master makes nice ones.

Good Luck!
....jc

I did some searching around and found that if the NFL network is broadcasting a game then the local networks will carry it OTA......BUT...is Colorado Springs included in the Denver market? Maybe we will get to see it on whatever Adelphia channel it was that was showing the PreSeason games.
I don't think that there is anything to worry about if you have access to the NFL Network. And, no, I don't think that you'll be able to get the game OTA in the Springs(unless you can receive KDVR). They(KDVR) own the local rights, but they don't have the right to force a blackout of a cable provider(NFL Network or in the case of MNF, ESPN).

So, I expect the game will be available on the NFL Network in all of Colorado, and I expect the HD broadcast to be carried by D*(probably channel 95).
....jc

I just wanted to let everyone know that I got the new HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360 last night at Circuit City on North Academy and I can confidently tell you guys this is a GREAT value! I am running the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive via the VGA port to my Westinghouse LVM-47w1 1080p Monitor. This PQ is handsdown the best I have ever seen. It blows HDTV PQ away! Last night I watched the HD-DVD version of King Kong (Which comes free with Xbox HD-DVD drive) and I am still in shock. I also own the Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD stand-alone player and the Samsung BD-P100 Blu-ray stand-alone player and there is no doubt for PQ, the Xbox drive has them beat. I just wanted to let you guys know about this great value!

~Josh

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I got one last night with the 40 dollar off coupon. It looks great on my 720p plasma!

Anyone know the Adelphia QAM channels for Colorado Spring? I have just the analog cable (80~) channels and HSI. My TV tunes QAM and I get 30~ digital channels, along with the 80~ analog, but only 1 or 2 that have video and several with audio. Is there a listing of whats on the cable as far as QAM is concerned. Also do you think I need a digital cable subscription to receive them? The fact the I get the 30~ digital channels I would assume no on the digital subscription but still not sure. A friend get several HD channels over QAM but also has digital cable so it's hard to make the connection...

Any info is greatly appreciated...

Nevermind...wrong game.

See message 4016 for all local Digital channels.

Rich

Using downtown Pueblo as a benchmark, Cheyenne Mtn is about 35 miles away.

Do you have LOS(Line-Of-Sight) to there? If so, your chances of reception are very good. If not, it's still very possible.

Pick up a decent mid-range antenna, and a preamp if your cable distance will be fairly long. There are a lot of decent antennas out there. I like the CM 4228(and yes it'll pick up KKTV channel 10 VHF). For preamps pick a low noise model. Channel Master makes nice ones.

Good Luck!
....jc

It seems like I do. I am going to check in the one of the stores for a Demo. Thanks for all the info.

I don't think that there is anything to worry about if you have access to the NFL Network. And, no, I don't think that you'll be able to get the game OTA in the Springs(unless you can receive KDVR). They(KDVR) own the local rights, but they don't have the right to force a blackout of a cable provider(NFL Network or in the case of MNF, ESPN)
Yeah, this was confirmed on the Friday sports section of the Gazette, page 14, that said that all of the local Colorado Springs stations confirmed they were not carrying the game, and that it would be available only on NFL Network. No mention of HD either way.

For those with Adelphia/Comcast I saw a post on a separate thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752698) that the Broncos game this week might be in HD on the INHD "special event's" channel. I've not yet checked the channel guide to see if it's there.
I think it's crap that those of us without the NFL Network will be forced to subscribe if we want to see the game.

Hopefully this finally settles it:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752698

It seems like I do. I am going to check in the one of the stores for a Demo. Thanks for all the info.


I live in Pueblo and do not have a Line of sight behind Big Hill and have a small roof mount antenna and my locals come in great for all five digital channels. So you should be fine.

For those of you getting Adelphia/comcast, Iwould like to know if you are still getting Altitude HD. Last year there were comments made that some Avalanche and Nugget home games were shown on Altitude HD (704). Is this still happening?

For those of you getting Adelphia/comcast, Iwould like to know if you are still getting Altitude HD. Last year there were comments made that some Avalanche and Nugget home games were shown on Altitude HD (704). Is this still happening?

Adelphia is broadcasting Altitude HD on 701 (normally inHD) whenever Altitude carries the Avalanche or Nuggets games in HD (usually just the home games).

On a separate note, anybody getting the Cowboys-Bucs game in HD today? End of first quarter and so far just SD for me.

No HD for Fox game, and nothing showing on Adelphia 701 as far as the Bronco game in HD, geez...just the Sound and the Fury movie.

adelphia was only showing the broncos game on the NFL network, not altitude.
at least on dish network the picture quality of their broadcast is terrible. very low mbps
fast motion and everything gets pixelated.

The NFL Network shows on 701 several times a week with their regular broadcasts, repeat games and NFL talk shows etc., too bad we are not getting the game tonight, it depended on the Cable provider, and although Comcast said they would bring it in, apparently Adelphiacast isn't.

at least on dish network the picture quality of their broadcast is terrible. very low mbps. fast motion and everything gets pixelated.

D* has NFL Network on channel 95 and it too is very poor quality with any motion at all. Not great for a football game. If it is bad on Dish and D* then my guess is it would be something to do with the source material.

For those of you that didn't see the game...you didn't miss a thing. Lousy PQ and lousy football. The Broncos really stunk up the joint. :mad:

HD PQ was excellent here on Cox cable (INHD-1) - Broncos play looked pathetic.

A long-time Broncos fan.

For those of you that didn't see the game...you didn't miss a thing. Lousy PQ and lousy football. The Broncos really stunk up the joint. :mad:

May be our QB? Anyhow, watching the game in BlurVision on Adelphia 177 was not what I bargained for. I changed my package beginning of November just to see this game and was assured at that time it would be ported to 701 Inhd1 for those with HD access. It did not happen, on the field or through the cable box....lol.

I watched the Broncos - Chiefs game on DirecTV channel 95. The "from a distance" shots were okay, but any time there was motion (it is sports after all), it was BAD!

The only thing worse was listening to freakin' Bryant Gumbel. How many times did he say "stacked up"? He needs to go back to HBO, and take Chris Collinsworth with him.

I watched the Broncos - Chiefs game on DirecTV channel 95. The "from a distance" shots were okay, but any time there was motion (it is sports after all), it was BAD!

The only thing worse was listening to freakin' Bryant Gumbel. How many times did he say "stacked up"? He needs to go back to HBO, and take Chris Collinsworth with him.

Gumbel was horrible. I noticed several times he miscalled what down it was, who threw the ball, who rushed, how much time was remaining... I know they make mistakes but if there are enough for me to notice, that is some bad announcing!

--Ron

The Broncos definitely looked anemic ... Plummer played below average but this was a team loss.

PQ on NFL Network was mediocre and I agree with the other posts that Gumbel's play by play was a real disappointment. Also, was it just me or was the score banner unusually intrusive on the screen? It was cutting off player's heads and it interfered with nearly every punt and field goal. I was unimpressed with NFL Network's effort.

new user looking for advice:
I live in Monument and have a clear view of Cheyenne Mountain. What kind of antenna should I get? From the forum it looks like the 6228 antenna + 7777 pre-amp are recommended. Do I need a pre-amp since I'm only 30 miles away? Is Cheyenne Mountain enough, or should I get an omnidirectional antenna to pick up stuff from Denver? ...Or should I just get Adelphia HD or DirecTV?

new user looking for advice:
I live in Monument and have a clear view of Cheyenne Mountain. What kind of antenna should I get? From the forum it looks like the 6228 antenna + 7777 pre-amp are recommended.
I'd get a CM 4228. It might be overkill, and maybe not. But it will do the job.
Do I need a pre-amp since I'm only 30 miles away?
Miles don't enter into the equation as much as cable length, and receiver sensitivity. I'd try w/o one 1st.
Is Cheyenne Mountain enough, or should I get an omnidirectional antenna to pick up stuff from Denver?
Forget the omni, stick with a directional. If you think that you could also receive Denver, either use a rotor, or 2 antennas.
Or should I just get Adelphia HD or DirecTV?
If you are a football/basketball/hockey fan, you'll need one or the other. Off-Air simply can't give you all the options.
....jc

I live in Monument and have a clear view of Cheyenne Mountain. What kind of antenna should I get?

I live near Lewis Palmer High School and have a clear shot at the mountain as well. No trees or anything in the way. I put my antenna in the attic so that wind/etc won't bother it. I needed an amplifier because of that. Couldn't tell you what kind of antenna it is other than UHF/VHF directional. I get all of the local analog and digital stations with signal strengths >85 using the D* Tivo to measure.

Is Cheyenne Mountain enough, or should I get an omnidirectional antenna to pick up stuff from Denver? ...Or should I just get Adelphia HD or DirecTV?

You can forget about Denver HD, everything is stilll low power thanks to a group of NIMBYs who dont want a tower built :( . Here in Elizabeth I can just barely recieve the Denver stations using a 4228 with a 7777 preamp on a 15' mast. That's why I check this thread, when the Denver stations have problems I turn the antenna and get twice the signal from the Springs. This despite the fact I dont have true LOS due to the Palmer Divide.

new user looking for advice:
I live in Monument and have a clear view of Cheyenne Mountain. What kind of antenna should I get?


I'd recommend the ChannelMaster CrossFire 3677. It is a well balanced VHF/UHF 45mi/45mi antenna.
I live in the Florence area about 35 miles from ChyMtn without line of sight. The CrossFire series is made for high wind/rain/ice. Mine has held up great for over 5 years. I do use a preamp.

link (http://www.solidsignal.tv/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ANCM3677)

I can not believe that no one is upset with kktv signal enough to post. Last night I had pixilation like on schedule every 10 or so mins and the audio is so bad now when they flip switch to analog and back. KKTV went from # 1 to # 4 in the big four with HD and in only 90 or so days. I guess I will skip OTA and do my E* HD untill CS makes it to the 21st century. :( :(

I have been thinking about posting but wasn't sure if it was my set up. I am glad that you did so I know that the problem is on KKTV's end, I am getting the exact same thing. They must be aware of it. I am going to send them an e-mail and see if I get a reply.

Roy

I can not believe that no one is upset with kktv signal enough to post. Last night I had pixilation like on schedule every 10 or so mins and the audio is so bad now when they flip switch to analog and back. KKTV went from # 1 to # 4 in the big four with HD and in only 90 or so days. I guess I will skip OTA and do my E* HD untill CS makes it to the 21st century. :( :(

I watched "Jericho" tonight and the pixelization was pretty bad. Not sure what's up with KKTV but you're right, they've definitely dropped a notch on the quality scale.

There is a new thread in the HD programming forum of AVS that reports on a press release from a station in Texas that has the same owner as KKTV. That station is using a new "advanced" encoder to broadcast two HD and one SD channels. I wonder if KKTV installed the same equipment or if they are getting ready to.

Here is a link to that thread: Gray Television Press Release (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759757)

Roy

Yeah, that will work well. :rolleyes:

KKTV, there's a reason why CBS doesn't allow its owned and operated station affiliates to multicast - it kills the quality of your product. Knock it off please.

Just got back form a trip to Texas and found some interesting things about OTA HD in Austin. The OTA PQ was worse than here in COS, lots of blocking and noise (signal strength , >80%). However, the same local HD channels over W* Cable were very good! The locals must be sent via a fiber link to the cable company. I did not verify that. That may be the only hope for HD locals in the future since the stations are cramming more and more sub channels into their 6mhz band. While there, I wasn’t able to sample D* PQ via their new Holy Grail, MPEG 4 :rolleyes: . Maybe someone else has seen what D* does to the signals?

Yeah, that will work well. :rolleyes:

KKTV, there's a reason why CBS doesn't allow its owned and operated station affiliates to multicast - it kills the quality of your product. Knock it off please.

KK's corporate company, Gray Communications, owns television stations in middle size markets like COS. All of their stations multicast. According to their (Gray) president, they are making money on their subchannels. I don't know if KK is making money on their 11.2 and 11.3, and I really don't know if anyone watches those channels, but it seems like KK will never stop multicasting.

Just got back form a trip to Texas and found some interesting things about OTA HD in Austin. The OTA PQ was worse than here in COS, lots of blocking and noise (signal strength , >80%). However, the same local HD channels over W* Cable were very good! The locals must be sent via a fiber link to the cable company. I did not verify that. That may be the only hope for HD locals in the future since the stations are cramming more and more sub channels into their 6mhz band. While there, I wasn’t able to sample D* PQ via their new Holy Grail, MPEG 4 :rolleyes: . Maybe someone else has seen what D* does to the signals?
In Houston I can attest the locals are sent to the TWC headend via fiber with OTA as the backup in case the fiber goes down.

As to D*'s new "holy grail" MPEG-4, there's simply no polite way to say this, IMO it looks like sh##. Tons of macroblocking and compression artifacts, certainly not what we bought HD for. D*'s new AT9 multi (5) satellite dish also leaves much to be desired. The "soft focus" of the main LNB for the 101-degree bird makes rain fade all but a certainty for subscribers with any precipitation heavier than a light mist. Certainly not what we bought satellite for.

Seriously, if the PQ on the D* MPEG-4 locals in Houston is any barometer of what we're in for, I think there's going to be a lot of us D* subscribers dropping it for cable.

Where available OTA is certainly (usually) preferable to either subscription service, but the local broadcasters may want to rethink their current plan of allocating only 14~14.5 Mbps of bandwidth to the main (HD) channel.

Are you guys emailing KKTV to complain about the poor HD picture quality and audio dropouts? Here's the distribution list I use:

cpeterson@kktv11news.com; dmccarty@kktv11news.com; nmatesi@kktv11news.com; dbullock@kktv11news.com; programming@kktv11news.com

I missed their 1st live game on Thanksgiving due to being out-o-town. Tonights game(Ravens vs Bengals) has been impressive. I'm watching it via D* channel 95(MPEG2). I have absolutely no complaints with PQ or the surround sound. Nice.

While I was gone I helped my parents select & install their 1st HD set. Due to the fact that they had cable, we picked out an LG 42" cable card plasma. Nice! We didn't install the cable card, but with it's built-in QAM tuner we were able to receive all of the locals(in Omaha) and many 'music channels'. The display of HD programming was very good. And, unlike my Mits WS, the SD programming display was also very good. A nice set if you are looking.
....jc

Are you guys emailing KKTV to complain about the poor HD picture quality and audio dropouts? Here's the distribution list I use:

cpeterson@kktv11news.com; dmccarty@kktv11news.com; nmatesi@kktv11news.com; dbullock@kktv11news.com; programming@kktv11news.com
Thanks, very helpful. We do need to a least voice our displeasure to KKTV directly - if we can be bothered to post here about it, we can spend 5 minutes on an email or phone call.

Do you know the titles/positions of these folks?

KKTV continued...

No HD on Letterman right now.

11:19 pm - HD now (but only at 10 Mbps)

As to D*'s new "holy grail" MPEG-4, there's simply no polite way to say this, IMO it looks like sh##. Tons of macroblocking and compression artifacts, certainly not what we bought HD for. D*'s new AT9 multi (5) satellite dish also leaves much to be desired. The "soft focus" of the main LNB for the 101-degree bird makes rain fade all but a certainty for subscribers with any precipitation heavier than a light mist. Certainly not what we bought satellite for.Suspicions confirmed!!! :( I never thought D* was going to MPEG 4 for PQ, just to cram more content. $10 a month for 7 HD channels is outrageous, no local HD via MP4, rain fade, etc. What was I thinking? :mad: It’s going to cost me a bundle to cancel D* but I am considering switching to A* cable or E*. Any thoughts?

> but I am considering switching to A* cable or E*. Any thoughts?

I have E* with HD package and their dvr-622 model recvr unit. my tv can only do 720p so I cant speak to the 1080 PQ but what I get looks great. I have had weather fade more often with OTA channels then those from the satellite. About 3-4 times a year it goes out for any length of time. it takes a really black cloud between me and the satellite to knock it out. They have 30 HD channels (no !%^*ing altitude HD channel though)
the dvr works fabulously, I never could figure out why people thought tivos were any better.
I think next year the NFL package is available with dish instead of only directv.
NHL games have an additional HD channel for the 2ish games a week in HD if you have center ice.
hdnet as always has 2 games a week. avs games are blacked out as with directv on center ice channels and
on the 2 HD nhl channels.
NFLHD is there included in the $10 a month HD fee.
no locals in HD much like directv. the movie channels in HD are extra although might be included
in the price you pay for the movie channels.
the HD dvr unit does cost upfront but that is $100 type range, but then its not your equipment like a tivo
purchase.
plus E* had OTA HD channels in their guide from day 1.

zeldor....I also have E* and I am considering purchasing their HD package. Did you go through E* directly, or did you call your local E* distributor?

I just called E* directly, the "upgrade" from my old non HD to HD-dvr was $199 with $99 off the first month
of service. some goon came out to remove the 2 old dishes it used and put in the new single HD dish.
fedex had shipped the dvr by that time and he hooked that up. took about 10 days after I called
to get an appointment scheduled, and 2 hours to install it. a local distributor might be faster but I have always
gone directly to the main company

I've had the EchoStar (DishNetwork) HD Bronze package since March and overall I'm pleased. I do not subscribe to the locals but the ViP-622 will tune them in just fine through your OTA antenna (no guide data but no $5 fee either). You get 25 (or so) HD channels and the PQ on all of them is quite good. I especially like UniversalHD, HDNet, DiscoveryHD, and Sound Stage -- very few commercials. I also get the HBO package and HBOHD PQ is usually top notch (especially the boxing). Cost per month including all taxes, fees, etc. for the DishNetwork Bronze HD with HBO is $76.96. I had to pay $199.99 up-front back in March (note, you get almost the same HD programming with any of the metal packages.) I don't use the DVR as much as I thought I would but my kids use it quite a bit and they love it. I feed two TV's upstairs from the ViP622's second receiver and even though it's SD only the picture quality is above average (you only need a RG60 coax cable.)

Hope this helps.

Keep in mind with the Dish/Echostar service - their HD DVR only allows you to record ONE HD OTA channel, unlike the dual OTA tuners available on th HR10. Also, if you want OTA guide data you MUST sub to SD locals for +$5/mo. With D* you could unsub the SD locals and still use the HR10 for HD OTA with guide data.

... just a few things to consider before you switch.

Suspicions confirmed!!! :( I never thought D* was going to MPEG 4 for PQ, just to cram more content. $10 a month for 7 HD channels is outrageous, no local HD via MP4, rain fade, etc. What was I thinking? :mad: It’s going to cost me a bundle to cancel D* but I am considering switching to A* cable or E*. Any thoughts?

Snuffy,

I have all 3; E*, D* and A* and I can confidently tell you E* is by far the best for overall PQ, especially HD. E* also offers by far the largest selection of HD Channels. This is one of those rare situations where it isn't even close, E* blows the others away PQ-wise. The VIP622 is also a great HD-DVR. Without a doubt I like it much better then my HR10-250. The 622 is much much faster to navigate through and it is easier to use once you get used to it.

~Josh

Suspicions confirmed!!! :( I never thought D* was going to MPEG 4 for PQ, just to cram more content. $10 a month for 7 HD channels is outrageous, no local HD via MP4, rain fade, etc. What was I thinking? :mad: It’s going to cost me a bundle to cancel D* but I am considering switching to A* cable or E*. Any thoughts?
D*'s current new 99 and 103 Ka-band birds (AT9 dish required) are spot-beam birds intended for regional HD locals using MPEG-4 compression. There'll be other Ka birds in the same orbits later for national beam distribution.

D* is indeed carrying 720P and 1080i locals on the new Ka spot beams, but to call the definition "high" I think is taking poetic license. It's a watchable picture on most HD shows, but action sports is a disappointment. 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb sack. Close-up scene changes (stills) exhibit considerable macroblocking for the first couple seconds. Wide-angle shots, such as the 20-yard wide shot of the teams lined up for scrimmage and adjacent 5-yd strips of grass alternate going in and out of focus.

I'm fortunate to live only 14 miles from the antenna farm, so we watch OTA. I know many of you who don't have them yet are clamoring for HD locals over satellite. I suppose in that situation MPEG-4 compressed HD locals are better than none. Perhaps in time their encoders will improve.

As for the AT9 multi-sat dish, I don't know what to say other than it too has been something of a disappointment. We had the D* team back twice after installation, both times for rain fade issues that we did not have with the old 3-LNB dish. The 110 and 119 birds are solid, but the main beam (101) is about 70% of the signal strength we had with the old dish. If this is the future, I'm ready to go back now.

The 622 will record 2 HD sat and 1 HD OTA at the same time. how much more could one need. And from what I've seen my SD PQ is almost as good as D*s HD PQ.

Mike

2 simultaneous HD OTA is definitely needed around here probably once a week on average...

it all depends on what you watch. I dont watch the local channels enough to ever have a need
to record 2 HD channels at once. During the regular season I do tape desperate housesluts for the wife
and family guy for me at the same time. but family guy isnt HD so it isnt a problem.
I

2 simultaneous HD OTA is definitely needed around here probably once a week on average...

I guess you just have to decide is recording 2 channels of HD-LITE or HD-NOT better than recording 1 channel of HD? The alternative is to build your own PC recorder for HD and get your OTA from it.

Last night I was scanning through the OTA HD stations and KTSC came up in 1080i. After watching a bit to determine they were not just upconverting their NTSC signal I realized that it really was an HD picture.

Then I noticed the programs airing didn't match the KTSC NTSC schedule (the one my DHG-HDD250 had anyway), and at the top of the hour a spot ran identifying the signal as the national PBS HD feed. I have no idea if the programming will stay this way or if they will eventually simulcast with their regular programming at some point. Anyway it was fun to see another HD signal here in town!

Christopher

Thanks for all for the input on D* vs. E*. E* looks pretty good from the comments.
I noticed no input on Adelphia or what ever it is called now. Can I assume that the cable system here in COS is not to be considered for HD PQ and variety? I get daily mailings of glossy postcards from these bozos with only introductory pricing and very little package info. My earlier experience with them, was totally negative to the point I once threw their “techs” off my property and ripped their cable from my house :mad: , that’s how I ended up with D*. Are they any better now?

PBS KTSC 8 in 1080i last night!

They did this briefly a couple of months ago. Apparantly they were testing. Their stated goal is to transport the HD stream from Denver rather than carry the national feed. I hope they keep the national feed on until they can get the Denver feed up and running here.

Here is a link to the schedule of the Alberqueque PBS station. Their digital channel always shows the National HD feed. The first time you use it, select New Mexico, then KNME. If you then select "another PBS station" and chose KRMA in Denver, you can see what they are showing. They seem to carry the National feed in prime time but other stuff at other times.

KNME (http://www.pbs.org/tvschedules/)

Roy

I noticed no input on Adelphia or what ever it is called now. Can I assume that the cable system here in COS is not to be considered for HD PQ and variety?

My in-laws recently got the Adelphia setup with the high def DVR. Their main complaint is that when watching HD shows, the DVR will drop out short periods of time (0.5 to 2 seconds of lost signal at random intervals). I tested to show that the DVR is recording the drop out. Adelphia can't figure it out yet. So either the DVR is messed up or the signal into their house is bad. The rest of the digital channels are watchable and don't have drop-outs but the analog channels are unwatchable on their 57" TV due to bad quality signal.

I am interested in having a profession calibration of my HD system. Has anyone on this forum had any experience with "Automated Home Technologies" or with "Connected Technologies" both located here in COS...?

TallGuy game me the name of a calibrator in Denver, but I am doing some homework to decide the best value for this service.

I apologize if someone has already asked and answered this earlier in the postings, but my Grandmother lives near Bijou and Union and we just bought her an HDTV with a built in OTA tuner last week.

When I hooked up her Adelphia cable to the only RF input on the thing, I realized that not only was she getting all the cable stations that she was used to, she was also getting lots of stuff OTA. Additionally, she was getting PPV movies (Click, to be percise), ESPN-HD, and a bunch of music channels. All of these channels seemed to be mapped to OTA signals because they had subchannel numbers. Any idea where I could find a list of what she should might be pulling in? I'm in Denver and don't know much at all about the COS OTA scene. Thanks!

it all depends on what you watch. I dont watch the local channels enough to ever have a need
to record 2 HD channels at once.
I
...and other viewers have different needs. My viewing needs are such that I need to be able to record two OTA HD channels at the same time, whereas I have no need for any sport programming. Different people, different needs. Nothing right or wrong, just different.

guess you just have to decide is recording 2 channels of HD-LITE or HD-NOT better than recording 1 channel of HD? The alternative is to build your own PC recorder for HD and get your OTA from it.
FYI, OTA HD is not HD-lite and nothing to do with D* over compressed HD pkg channels.

The other side of the recent anecdotal evidence from Texas was that when MPEG-4 HD locals went up in Detroit and the initial markets, I saw several reports from knowledgeable sources that said the Detroit HD locals looked as good on the MPEG-4 from D* as they did OTA.

So we don't know for sure what the D* compression/PQ levels will be on MPEG-4, either for Colorado Springs HD locals next year or for the 40? 100? 150? national HD channels they will have after the 2 new satellites - the only way to know for sure is to wait and actually see it. As frustrated as I am with D* now, jumping ship ~6 months early won't help, it will just make it more expensive to come back to D* should I want to.

Nice to see more HD on KTSC/PBS 8-1 now. Glad they are at 18.7 Mbps and 1920x1080.

Also, I was real surprised that NBC is doing HD golf right now for the "Father/Son Golf Challenge"! Can't be a big budget event.

On the downside, I caught a few minutes of NUMB3RS on KKTV/CBS last night at the bit rate was even worse, bouncing between 8.8-10.0 Mbps. Same for the "HD" football game on now. Guess you don't need DirecTV to see HD-Lite!

Looks like KKTV's quasi-HD Army-Navy game has Dolby Digital sound? First time I've seen that on KKTV in months. My receiver doesn't tell me whether it's 5.1 or 2.0 though. A step in the right direction.

Looks like KKTV's quasi-HD Army-Navy game has Dolby Digital sound? First time I've seen that on KKTV in months. My receiver doesn't tell me whether it's 5.1 or 2.0 though. A step in the right direction.

It's DD 5.1 per my Anthem AVM 30.

FYI, OTA HD is not HD-lite and nothing to do with D* over compressed HD pkg channels.

Agreed. I should have stated the choices more clearly. I wasn't trying to miscompare anything. You can choose from

A) Recording 2 channels from OTA or D* where the OTA is HD and the D* channels are HD-lite

B) Recording 1 channel OTA and 1 E* or 2 E* where the signal is supposedly HD for the E* signals (I haven't seen the signal so I say supposedly).

C) Recording using some other method (maybe two E* receivers at an extra cost)

At this point, I'm pretty unhappy with D* quality for any channels. I'm also unhappy with KKTV at this point. What's the use of an HD signal if it is unwatchable?

I am interested in having a profession calibration of my HD system. Has anyone on this forum had any experience with "Automated Home Technologies" or with "Connected Technologies" both located here in COS...?

TallGuy game me the name of a calibrator in Denver, but I am doing some homework to decide the best value for this service.

You also should contact Integrity Home Theater (http://www.integrityhometheater.com/). Their website says they do ISF calibration. I haven't used their calibration service, but they have been great to deal with and very knowledgable, especially in front projection home theater.

Guy

I, for one, could not be more pleased with PBS programming in HD.
I just wished I had caught it last time with the Cousteau special ...
Hopefully this will be a continued trend, as I look forward to 'Nova' & 'Nature' & any other scenic, educational, interesting content.


-doGlooP

Okay,

I got off of my duff and sent the following letter to KKTV and I copied Andrew Wineke at the Gazette. Not sure if it will make a difference but it can't hurt ...


KKTV,

I just want to let you know that I've watched your station for over 25 years and I very much appreciated it when you were one of the first stations to go high definition. Lately, however, your HD signal quality has deteriorated to the point where it's quite frustrating to watch ... no reliable 5.1 digital sound, frequent audio drops, and even more frequent "macro blocking" in the video. Please reconsider your policy on multi-casting since this is obviously affecting the quality of your main (and most important) product -- channel 11.1!

Respectfully,
Sxxxxx Mxxxxxxx
719-6xx-xxxx

It appears that KTSC-DT Channel 8.1 is presently carrying the West Coast feed, same as KCET-DT, 28.1 in Los Angeles. The program at 4:00pm (our time) was “Grand View” and the PQ was terrible. It was a 16:9 version of 4:3 SDTV pix zoomed to fit the screen and cropping the top and bottom :eek: . I would rather see gray bars than huge pixels. I hope this is not a predictor of the stuff we will be seeing on KTSC. While I realize this is likely just a test it will be worth monitoring. I really hate stretching and zooming SDTV to fit a 16:9 screen :( .

12/3 Update: Upon further review, I must say the PQ on 8.1 this morning is superb, Real HD, no breakup or artifacts whatsoever :) . Also, good programming. My earlier comments were far too cynical and obviously premature, taken from a snapshot in time. Sorry for that :( .

KKTV "HD" is just terrible for this Florida/Arkansas game. Both OTA and Adelphia look like garbage. Of course I'm sure it's all worth it for the tons of viewers that are watching 11-2 right now for that awesome weather coverage. What a joke.

You also should contact Integrity Home Theater (http://www.integrityhometheater.com/). Their website says they do ISF calibration. I haven't used their calibration service, but they have been great to deal with and very knowledgable, especially in front projection home theater.

Guy

Thanks for your help!! I will be giving them a call early next week. :) :)

KKTV "HD" is just terrible for this Florida/Arkansas game. Both OTA and Adelphia look like garbage. Of course I'm sure it's all worth it for the tons of viewers that are watching 11-2 right now for that awesome weather coverage. What a joke.

That game was hard to watch. Do they not realize how bad they are making their 11.1 channel?

I am interested in having a profession calibration of my HD system. Has anyone on this forum had any experience with "Automated Home Technologies" or with "Connected Technologies" both located here in COS...?

TallGuy game me the name of a calibrator in Denver, but I am doing some homework to decide the best value for this service.

CDB,

At Apex we do calibration, but from a different standpoint. Yes, we will make sure that such things as convergence is accurate, but we do differ a bit. We call our calibration service, "Organic Calibration." Instead of using a meter or a disc to say how the display should look or sound, we sit in the HT with the family and calibrate to their own eyes and ears preferences. Our clients are extremely pleased with this method of calibration and have nothing but positive things to say about it.

~Josh

It appears that KTSC-DT Channel 8.1 is presently carrying the West Coast feedThere is one national HD feed. Stations that carry this feed all have the same programming at the same time, no time shifting. If they do shift, they do it with their own equipment.

It is unfortunately true that their HD feed has three kinds of material. True HD, upconverted SD that was crearted in widescreen and upconverted and cropped SD that was created in 4x3 format. Fortunately, the last category is in the minority.

KTSC is presently carrying the National HD feed.

Regarding KKTV: Do they not realize how bad they are making their 11.1 channel? They must, they have gotten e-mail from many of us about it.

Regarding KKTV, I'm not sure email is strong enough to make our point. We need a bigger way to be heard. Not sure what that would be though.

I am watching Football Night in America on KOAA on 5-1 and I am receiving it in DD 5.1. So, hopefuly KOAA is now passing DD 5.1

Regarding KKTV, I'm not sure email is strong enough to make our point. We need a bigger way to be heard.It seems to me that they are following orders from Gray Television. Given the recent shakup in the newsroom, the local employees probably don't want to question the parent company.

I found the Gray Televsion website. I found no "contact us" link but they do give an address and phone number. Here is the Link: Gray TV (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=104784&p=irol-IRHome)

No, Jay, No.

I am watching Football Night in America on KOAA on 5-1 and I am receiving it in DD 5.1. So, hopefuly KOAA is now passing DD 5.1
You're right - I can't remember if I've seen that before. Anyway, I am updating my signature!

Once again, football looks much better on KOAA/NBC @ 18.7 Mbps than KKTV/CBS @ 9-10.

You're right - I can't remember if I've seen that before. Anyway, I am updating my signature!

Once again, football looks much better on KOAA/NBC @ 18.7 Mbps than KKTV/CBS @ 9-10.


and more heart gripping.

Last night I was scanning through the OTA HD stations and KTSC came up in 1080i. After watching a bit to determine they were not just upconverting their NTSC signal I realized that it really was an HD picture.

Then I noticed the programs airing didn't match the KTSC NTSC schedule (the one my DHG-HDD250 had anyway), and at the top of the hour a spot ran identifying the signal as the national PBS HD feed. I have no idea if the programming will stay this way or if they will eventually simulcast with their regular programming at some point. Anyway it was fun to see another HD signal here in town!

Christopher

During their last HD test period, I was disappointed to see that neither Mystery nor Masterpiece Theater are broadcast digitally in HD. Apparently there are significant cost issues related to this. So, while I appreciate Nature in HD, there will be significant (to me) gaps in their digital programming until national PBS picks up the slack. My question to them and their answer are here:

http://www.rmpbs.org/forum/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=10&Topic=23

I noticed no input on Adelphia or what ever it is called now.

Unlike many people here, I am quite happy with my A* cable HD.

I used to have D* HD. But I really wanted the network shows, and OTA was my only choice. I'm close to Cheyenne Mtn, so that wasn't really a problem, but since I was already paying for high-speed Internet and Digital cable for another TV upstairs, I decided it would be cheaper to dump D* and just use cable. This was over a year ago.

Since then I think A* has been a good deal. I'm currently using their Motorola Moxi HD-DVR, and yes, the user interface is slow slow slow. But it works. I feel that A* has done a good job keeping up with the channels. They were a bit slow on adding KOAA, but it wasn't too bad.

The advantages: You get a HD-DVR without paying hundreds of dollars up front for a piece of equipment that will be outdated in a year (I paid a lot of money for my old Panasonic HDS20? for D*). You get most of the locals (I haven't checked for KTSC yet). You get a decent selection of other HD channels. Picture quality is mostly ok.

Disadvantages: It requires a very high strength signal from your cable. This is a MOXI issue, I think. To get a decent picture the techs had to run a new line and mess around quite a bit between the HD line and my cable-modem Internet line. Also, you are still getting the local channels, so issues with KKTV are still a problem just like with OTA.

I haven't really missed my NFL package with D*. Every now and then there is a different game that I'd rather see, but it usually isn't in HD anyway, so it doesn't matter. And I can't watch SD football anymore (spoiled by HD).

Anyway, the $10/mon charge for A* HD still seems like a good deal for me. I'd like the Moxi box to be a lot faster and have better responsiveness for the remote, and I'd like KKTV to get their act together again. But those are my only real HD issues right now.

My main worry is that with HD going more "mainstream", the general public doesn't seem to be aware (or care) about issues like PQ and multicasting, which is why stations like KKTV can get away with what they are doing. I've mentioned this before, but I often find people watching the normal ESPN channel stretched onto a widescreen display and they think they are watching HD. The average person doesn't have the high standards that we have, and I'm worried that this will cause the quality of HD to decrease as more stations play with stuff like multicasting to try and make more money to pay for all their new equipment.

Nice that CBS will produce 21 PGA Golf events in HD in 2007 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=761994) - or instead of HD should we call it "KKTV SD widescreen"?

I think I'm going to do a web-based petition about KKTV's horrible picture quality and post the link here. Each one of us could "sign" it in about 2 minutes and get our HD-oriented friends to sign as well. Even 100 people would make a point. We would send it to KKTV and to Gray, the parent company. We tell them that we won't watch their subchannels or support any of the advertisers on their 3 channels, and on the positive side, we encourage them to be the HDTV leader again as they once were, and as CBS is now nationally. And we try to convince them that they won't ever have that many OTA viewers of the subchannels, at least enough to make a bunch more money (especially if cable doesn't pick up 11-2 and 11-3).

Worst case, they know that more than just a handful of emailers are unhappy. Best case, they give up on the subchannels. Even if they don't want to, maybe Andy Wineke from The Gazette picks up a story or a little sidebar on HD viewers boycotting KKTV advertisers, and embarrasses them in the paper a little bit as the inferior local affiliate, and maybe they are shamed into it. Can't hurt.

I'll post here when it's ready. Not everybody has to do it, but please don't try to convince others not to sign it. It's worth a shot.

maybe Andy Wineke from The Gazette picks up a story

http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2006/12/festival-of-lights.html

http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2006/12/festival-of-lights.html
Yea, it looks like Andy got the point:
Despite the utter lack of video quality, I love it when the stations use their subchannels (or KOAA's WeatherFirst Now cable channel) to offer expanded coverage. It seems like what Congress had in mind when it handed out the digital frequencies.
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think the bottom line is that local stations are searching for ways to remain relevant (and profitable) as more viewers get their programming online (see Saturday's Life story). If providing HD keeps the viewers coming, they'll do that, but I don't blame them for playing around with other ideas.
I don't see multicasting going away as it's a potential profit maker. It's kinda like trying to tell Walmart to stop selling food 'cause it's hurting the real grocery stores. Ain't gona happen.

However, I thought of something that might work, and satisfy everyone. The Cons are:
It would cost the local stations a few bucks...
The FCC might not allow it...


The local stations form a consortium of sorts. The goal would be to create an entity to broadcast the subchannels. This might be more feasible in some place like Denver where they already have the 'Lake Cedar Group' whose goal is a shared tower.

The idea is simple. Create one station to broadcast all of the local station's subchannels. With 3Mb per channel you've got 6; with 2Mb you've got 9; and with 1Mb you've got 19. Obviously, none of the subchannels could be HD, but it would provide a place and the bandwidth to broadcast these stupid things. And, each station would have 19.2 Mb for their main HD broadcast. And, with PSIP handling the remapping, no one would really know that 11-2 is being broadcast on a different UHF frequency, from a different transmitter, and from a different antenna.

Something like this may be the only way to salvage quality OTA HD broadcasts.
....jc

Apologies for the "Out-Of-Area" post, but in reading through much of the postings I did not see (or else missed) any postings by any of your area broadcast professionals.

Over in the Houston, TX locals thread we're lucky enough to have two station engineers (NBC & CW) who have stepped forward and identified themselves and willingly answer readers questions and occasionally explain how things work. Bob Chase, engineer at KHCW, with some of the absolute best HD PQ in all of Houston, explains a couple of the ins and outs in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8918593&&#post8918593

and here's another one of Bob's "information dumps"

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8939722&&#post8939722

Interesting reading.

Unlike many people here, I am quite happy with my A* cable HD....

Same here. I've had HD/DVR service from them for almost 2 years now and have very little to complain about (other than the small HDD & slow menus in the DVR product). I have an older Hitachi HD set, so OTA HD wasn't an option for me. The price was right (about $5 more/month for the DVR & $5 for the HD package) and the PQ is usually very good. An added bonus with cable is the VOD offerings, although they're in SD.

Would be nice to have more HD channels; I hear Comcast might add a few, along with HD VOD.

edit: Looks like Moxi just released 4.1. Faster menus and external HDD support. Just in time for Comcast to drop the product :)

Look at 704, it's being set up for HD VOD, the channel label says so...lol.

Interesting...right now Letterman is on 11-1 at 14 to 16 Mbps, looking a lot better on my PC screen, the weather is on 11-2, and 11-3 is showing 0.1 Mbps with a black screen. Can we hope this is permanent, at least for the hours of original HD programming?

Apologies in advance for not trying to search for this answer, but these forums are so huge and my question so broad.

As you can see from my screen name I am in Denver, where OTA and the tower on Lookout Mountain is discussed in great detail, as well as who can and cannot get OTA digital signals depending on location. I am lucky, and easily get OTA digital based on my location with a 40 year old roof antenna.

I have a friend who is moving from Denver to the Springs, and treated herself to her first digtal TV as a present to herself for moving to her new house (in a new subdivision on the north side of town East of I-25, South of Academy). I have told her how great free OTA is here, and how you can use practically any antenna, etc. She of course asked, "will I be able to do that down there?" and I said "I have no idea."

So, can somebody briefly summarize for me in a sentence or two her chances of getting OTA down there? I'm just looking for somehting like "It's real simple, just point any cheap antenna at Pike's Peak and your good to go" or "She stands little chance of getting it because we have to try to get Denver stations" or "She might get one or two stations if she puts an antenna on a 30 feet pole" or "yes she will get it, but needs an antenna that changes directions becuse the digial transmitters are not in one location." Just something to let me know how much to pursue this and what to tell her. Thanks.

It's all very easy from Colorado Springs.. especially from the location you mentioned, or it should be anyway. All of the stations(I think) come from Cheyenne Mountain which is a bit south of Pikes Peak and most have a good signal. Definitely no 30 ft pole needed for Colorado Springs stations and not an antenna that changes directions.

I have a friend who is moving from Denver to the Springs, and treated herself to her first digtal TV as a present to herself for moving to her new house (in a new subdivision on the north side of town East of I-25, South of Academy).
Generally, you are either East or West of Academy. Maybe you are talking about the Academy I-25 Exit?

Whatever, if she can see Cheyenne Mtn, she should be good to go. She should be able to see all of the towers/antennas up there.

There are problems documented in this forum, but they are almost all problems with the stations.
....jc

So, can somebody briefly summarize for me in a sentence or two her chances of getting OTA down there? I'm just looking for somehting like "It's real simple, just point any cheap antenna at Pike's Peak and your good to go" or "She stands little chance of getting it because we have to try to get Denver stations" or "She might get one or two stations if she puts an antenna on a 30 feet pole" or "yes she will get it, but needs an antenna that changes directions becuse the digial transmitters are not in one location." Just something to let me know how much to pursue this and what to tell her. Thanks.

Doubt there is ever really a simple answer when it comes to OTA. But, when i first got my HDTV, i bought a cheap rabbit ears antenna, got 2 channels, took it back, bought a $100 antenna, got 1 channel, took it back, got a cheap $15 indoor amplified antenna, did a lil adjustments on the power and antenna, got all the channels, but had problems keeping the signal sometimes. I had D* at the time and have since switch to adelphia, where the locals are included. I now have 3 HDTVs and an HDTV tunner card for my PC and in different rooms in my house i get different results with indoor antennas OTA. My Father in law just bought his second HDTV last week, and he hooked up a probably 15 year old antenna to get ota until A* came to install a new HD box and he with out any adjustments got all the OTA channels.

On another note, I also have Adelphia and i do like it. The PQ is up to par and with locals included and not having to shell out big bucks for a HD DVR, it to me seams like the most bang for you buck.

I watched KTSC (channel 8.1) tonight and it definitely was broadcasting in HD ... the program was an excellent two hour investigation on the likelihood that other life exists in the universe. In fact, the whole family watched it and we had a wonderful discussion afterwards (including my 17 year old who rarely talks to us!)

TallMan -- maybe you should give KTSC a 0.5 score?

I watched KTSC (channel 8.1) tonight and it definitely was broadcasting in HD ... the program was an excellent two hour investigation on the likelihood that other life exists in the universe. In fact, the whole family watched it and we had a wonderful discussion afterwards (including my 17 year old who rarely talks to us!)

TallMan -- maybe you should give KTSC a 0.5 score?

Nice programming. Doesn't match the guide data, but very Discover-HD like :)

I was talking to an Adelphia customer service rep and he said the Comcast switch is supposed to take place on the 15th....2 new HD channels for sure he said were ESPN2 and TNT-HD....

I was talking to an Adelphia customer service rep and he said the Comcast switch is supposed to take place on the 15th....2 new HD channels for sure he said were ESPN2 and TNT-HD....

Are these new channels also coming on the 15th or just channels to expect in the future? Any other changes we should expect?

I watched KTSC (channel 8.1) tonight and it definitely was broadcasting in HD ... the program was an excellent two hour investigation on the likelihood that other life exists in the universe. In fact, the whole family watched it and we had a wonderful discussion afterwards (including my 17 year old who rarely talks to us!)
I have also been watching KTSC 8.1 a lot over the last few days and have to say that the programming is great. The PQ and SQ have been excellent except a few instances of interlacing artifacts that are to be expected for 1080i transmissions. I hope that KTSC leaves it just like it is and then maybe Tallman would give the station a 1.0.

Anyone watch Friday Night Lights this week?
At least 10-15 of the first 35 minutes had no center channel - which means no dialog, of course! :mad:
KOAA would switch off HD and the dialog would come back, then turn HD back on and no dialog again!
Finally after 35 minutes or so they had everything fixed.
VERY ANNOYING!
Rob

Anyone watch Friday Night Lights this week?
At least 10-15 of the first 35 minutes had no center channel - which means no dialog, of course! :mad:
KOAA would switch off HD and the dialog would come back, then turn HD back on and no dialog again!
Finally after 35 minutes or so they had everything fixed.
VERY ANNOYING!
Rob

At least they were aware of it and fixing it. Where as KKTV has gone 2-3 hours of hd picture and no sound.

2 new HD channels for sure he said were ESPN2 and TNT-HD....

Great the two worst HD channels that D* offers in their pathetic HD pkg, well TNT-HD stretch-o-vision anyway, I never watch ESPN to know the quality of the broadcast.

I've been hoping that PBS was not just testing, but making a permanent change. The picture quality is better than a 0.5, I think, but everything I've checked out has been a lot of old footage upconverted.

I had been thinking how we'd had less of the switching problems lately - then NBC and CBS were mentioned above, and I see ABC is SD right now when it should be HD for Ugly Betty (not that I care), and FOX seems to be uncharacteristically only 7-10 Mbps right now for 'Til Death. Guess we're having a bad week on the Engineering front in Colorado Springs...

edit: Never mind, KRDO just found "the HD button"...

edit: On the other hand, KOAA forgot the old HD button on Scrubs...

On a happy note, looks like our next two Broncos games have been chosen by CBS for the HD treatment... San Diego was a slam dunk, but nice of them to pick the Arizona game (Leinart vs. Cutler). Plus I'd say there's a good chance the 12/24 game vs. Cincinnati will have enough playoff implications to be chosen for HD.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/cbssports/schedules/page/nfl

FYI - the bit rate on KKTV is still up in the 14.5-17 range now for CSI - I don't watch CSI but it will be interesting to see if those who do can see the improvement

On the other hand, KOAA forgot the old HD button on Scrubs...

Actually, Scrubs is not in HD this season. They had the season finale in HD last year, but decided against it for this season. There is more info about it in the programming forum. Sad, because it is a great show.

Ah, thanks. I had some bad info on that from my customized HD program guide email from hdtvmagazine.com.

Great the two worst HD channels that D* offers in their pathetic HD pkg, well TNT-HD stretch-o-vision anyway, I never watch ESPN to know the quality of the broadcast.

Never seen TNT-HD (or ESPN2-HD for that matter), but ESPN-HD is, IMHO, the best quality HD football available today. Might be due to the fact that they broadcast in 720p instead of 1080i.

Anyone here use a MYHD 130 card to record HD? I have one on order and want to know what to expect form COS HD locals and AlephaCast in the clear QAM channels. I am preparing to ween myself off D* and thought I'd give this a try.

I have just started to digest the 281 page thread here on AVS.

Spoke with KKTV today:

said they've been making major changes to the equipment and setup recently
some equipment was bad at first
changes are still in process
loss of Dolby digital audio was a temporary situation, it should be back within a few weeks!
sounded like 2 channels instead of 3 was the plan for a while (MyKKTV alternating with Weather?)
720p not too soon for MyKKTV (yay)
they just realized that the (outside?) people who set up the multicasting were bit-starving the main channel, and they fixed that this week
I encouraged him to keep the bandwidth up for the main channel, complimented him that it looks much better now around 15 Mbps
He said they are going to an automatic switching setup soon and said that should alleviate the situations when someone forgets to switch to HD, or has to time it just right
Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy will be broadcast in HD starting probably in January, so KKTV will be HD 6:00-11:30 each night (except for news)


Also, far be it for me to give good news to those who feed the "cable pig" :), but they plan to send their signal over fiber to AdelphiComCastic too. Will be interesting if that PQ is way better than OTA.

Spoke with KRDO Engineering today to ask about prospects of their surround sound. Back in June they had told me they would probably get the encoders probably by the end of the year, so we're almost there now.

But today he said, it's in the budget, but not approved, and he doesn't see much chance of it happening anytime soon. I asked what quarter it might happen, and he said "maybe the 6th quarter".

Sounds like Frank's stories of KRDO's cheapness are still the case today.

[QUOTE=TallGuy]Spoke with KKTV today:

TallGuy,

Thanks for representing so many of us in communicating with KKTV and KRDO engineering !!!

Your calls bear a lot more weight than if one of us less expert HDer's tried to call and make a fool of ourselves.

Thanks for sharing the good and not so great news.

Dave

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From http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2006/12/ktsc-goes-hd.html
Colorado Springs final TV station finally got its high definition signal up and running (OK, technically KXTU/57 "The CW" isn't, but that's a low-power station). KTSC engineering manager Ian Hartley said they turn on the HD goodness last Friday.

They've been struggling with getting the signal up for more than two years. KTSC's digital transmitter was working, but they didn't have the capability before this to broadcast in HD.

Ian says they're in a testing phase right now, so what you're seeing is the national PBS HD feed. I asked him if there were a way of getting the programming schedule for that and he said, "Not that I know of." So it's going to be a grab bag for now. Ian said KTSC plans to make a longterm decision about the HD programming by February. The reason it's not the same as the programming on the standard def channel is that very little of that programming is available in HD.

The reason why it took so long is that Rocky Mountain PBS is trying to build a statewide link out of its Denver headquarters to the affiliate stations in Colorado Springs, Grand Junction and Durango. To do that, they take the PBS satellite feed in Denver, then bounce it through a series of four microwave links to Pueblo, then up to Cheyenne Mountain and out to the world. Getting those microwave links established was apparently a huge amount of work. The KTSC feed was the test case - presumably Grand Junction and Durango will benefit from our experience.

If you want to have some input on what KTSC-HD should show, e-mail customer_support@ktsc.pbs.org.

My vote is for the national PBS-HD feed shows, and hopefully KTSC can figure out how to get the guide data at some point so that we have a chance at recording the occasional keeper of a show.

I wish we had the Motorola 6412 HD/DVR here instead of the Moxi box. It allows recordings by time, so I could still record shows on PBS HD. Right now it says "favorites" for like a 4 hour block. I've been using the KNME-DT schedule for nights and weekends and it seems to be accuratelly showing the national PBS feed.


I really hope Comcast switches us over to the 6412 or a similar DVR soon. The MOXI is really slow lately.

Also, anyone with Adelphia/Comcast know why 701 is showing Altitude guide data instead of INHD guide data? I thought Altitude was shown on 703 or 704 during special events. That is impeding me recording shows there too. :mad: Has anyone called to complain yet?

I'm really looking forward to things improving with Comcast. Hopefully they will want to impress us with their commitment to HD.

-Kelly (not holding her breath though)

The Altitude games are shown on 701. Adelphia had the special events channel on 704 but i've never seen anything on it but a HD PPV once.

I do have a Motorola 6412 from Comcast, but I guess they are not getting a lot of them at a time. My Moxi quit working about a month and a half ago and I was lucky to get the 6412. I like it better. I never knew it had recording by time, thanks for the tip. My father in law just got another Moxi this week with his new HDTV and was told they don't have any 6412 now.

sheesh.....KKTV's finally got the DD5.1 but the sound is goofed up on the Broncos game...you can tell mostly on the commercials where the sound doesn't match up to the lips of people talking.... :mad:

I'm just glad they have the Dolby Digital sound again... at least there's no important lip sync for football. :) They didn't mention any plans to resume 5.1 sound this soon when I talked to them 2 days ago. Gotta change my signature yet again...

I am getting some breakups in the KKTV OTA signal, but it could be my antenna amplifier or something...

Also, I have that bizarre thing where I can't use the single fast foward speed during CBS Broncos games on the HD-TiVo - I still don't get how that happens.

And KRDO seems to have an usually low signal strength today. Can't lock it in on the PC HD tuner or the HD-TiVo.

Go Broncos... yikes, tough opponent today...

I am getting breakup as well. actually, I have gotten this breakup in recent days even though the overall HD picture seems to have improved. It is definately from KKTV. I have line of sight and a strong signal. It must be something in their processing of the signal, not necessarily bandwith per se.

CBS stations that are not multicasting are not having this breakup, so the CBS satellite feed cannot be the source.

Roy

I'm just glad they have the Dolby Digital sound again... at least there's no important lip sync for football. :) They didn't mention any plans to resume 5.1 sound this soon when I talked to them 2 days ago. Gotta change my signature yet again...

I am getting some breakups in the KKTV OTA signal, but it could be my antenna amplifier or something...

Also, I have that bizarre thing where I can't use the single fast foward speed during CBS Broncos games on the HD-TiVo - I still don't get how that happens.

And KRDO seems to have an usually low signal strength today. Can't lock it in on the PC HD tuner or the HD-TiVo.

Go Broncos... yikes, tough opponent today...

TallGuy

Are you having any issues with your HDTivo in regards to testing signal strength. When I go to test my signal strength on OTA channels, it is not working, it shows i have no signal but can tune in the OTA channels. Was not sure if this is a TIVO thing or my system.

KKTV had 5.1 sound last weekend for Army / Navy game but not a single prime time show during this past week. The first game yesterday was 5.1 as well so we will see later. Also I have E mailed them 7 times in the last 2 weeks and will continue untill they get it right. CSI on mon and the UNIT on tue are not the same in prologic.

Mike

KKTV probably has the same issue KUSA in Denver has - while they can broadcast 5.1 with no problem their servers cant record it. Therefore anything live goes out in 5.1 but if it has to be time shifted (99% of prime time) it gets converted to 2.0

Thought it would be good to post this info for our fellow AVS members in Colorado Springs also suffering from the lagging digital/HD situation here in Colorado. (Many folks in Southern parts of Denver area find it much easier to tune in COS's digital signals than those in Denver.)

Some huge news has happened in the last few days.

Our Lookout Mountain tower issue was taken to the Federal level over the weekend with a bill introduced into Congress (The legislation is SB 4092) that allows the feds to override local zoning on telecommunications. It passed both The House and the Senate and is now awaiting the President's signature. This means that it is likely that full power digital broadcasting from Lookout Mountain will become a reality soon.

Here's the link to the full discussion:

Denver OTA - Congressional Bill Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=28456&page=568&pp=30)

While this news does not directly affect HD issues in the Springs, still thought some of you might be interested to hear what's going on north of the Palmer Divide.

I get KKTV via OTA antenna and I, too, had macro blocking every 15 seconds or so during the game. My signal strength was strong throughout the entire broadcast at 97%. Also, I noticed that the sound would "fade" and then come back after a few seconds.

Man, the Broncos have some rebuilding to do.

TallGuy

Are you having any issues with your HDTivo in regards to testing signal strength. When I go to test my signal strength on OTA channels, it is not working, it shows i have no signal but can tune in the OTA channels. Was not sure if this is a TIVO thing or my system.
Today I checked during the Broncos and had 83 signal strength on the HD-TiVo. I don't think I've ever seen both OTA tuners at zero while I was tuned to an OTA channel. I usually use the right arrow & select buttons on the face of the box to get to the signal strength screen faster.

A quick look on the HD-TiVo showed that Without a Trace and The Amazing Race said "Dolby D" on my receiver tonight. My Integra receiver doesn't report 5.1 vs. 2.0 unfortunately. I'm sure The Amazing Race isn't produced in 5.1, since it's not HD, so maybe KKTV has just started to upconvert to DD 2.0 this week...

Today I checked during the Broncos and had 83 signal strength on the HD-TiVo. I don't think I've ever seen both OTA tuners at zero while I was tuned to an OTA channel. I usually use the right arrow & select buttons on the face of the box to get to the signal strength screen faster.

I ended up doing a restart and that fixed it. Not sure what happened by it is working now.

I wish we had the Motorola 6412 HD/DVR here instead of the Moxi box. It allows recordings by time, so I could still record shows on PBS HD. Right now it says "favorites" for like a 4 hour block. I've been using the KNME-DT schedule for nights and weekends and it seems to be accuratelly showing the national PBS feed.


I really hope Comcast switches us over to the 6412 or a similar DVR soon. The MOXI is really slow lately....

I've heard good and bad about the 6412.

Good: Out of the box, you get a larger HDD, faster UI, and grid guide.
Bad: Horrible UI (iGuide), inability to cancel a single recording when both tuners are recording (it cancels both), and lack of channel identifiers when searching for a show (can be a problem when show is on multiple channels).

The new MOXI software has faster menus and enables external storage via USB, as well as time-shifting for listings. Everything I've been waiting for...and we'll probably never see it :)

Last night between 8:00 pm and 10:00 pm during “Closed Case” and “Without a Trace” on KKTV-DT 11.1, I received Dolby 5.1 audio . . . well sort of. The audio lagged the video enough to be noticeable, just like the game. Breakups as well. At 8:55pm the audio went nuts and I received a very loud hiss or roar, white noise I presume. It nearly blew my speakers out and scared my dog! :eek: After about 10 minutes the audio returned and the lip sync seemed to have been fixed and the 5.1 audio was better. Apparently the technicians were working the problem and unplugged something, thereby causing the loud noise. The audio signal was detected as Dolby digital 5.1 on my new Panny SA-XR57 A/V Receiver and reported “3-2-1” (L,C,R-LS,RS-SUBW). I also noticed the signal switching the center channel off and on intermittently. At least they are getting there.

I lost all broadband from AdelphaCast yesterday (Sunday) and it's still out this AM. I am posting this from work. I called to inquire and they said yes, 1-2 days of down time as they flip servers over to Comcast.

I lost all broadband from AdelphaCast yesterday (Sunday) and it's still out this AM. I am posting this from work. I called to inquire and they said yes, 1-2 days of down time as they flip servers over to Comcast.
:rolleyes:
Did they offer you a credit?
....jc

:rolleyes:
Did they offer you a credit?
....jc

No, but I did find inner peace from being offline all day :)

Adelphia has always told me I had to call back after the issue was fixed to get a credit. The one time I did, it was like $3 or something small like that after being on hold for like 30 minutes, not counting the time i spent calling about the problem. Always found it was not really worth the time but they should give you one after it is up and running.

considering this outage is due to A->C conversion and they sent out an email saying there will be outages and it's affecting perhaps hundreds of people, I seriously doubt they will offer me a credit. Plus, it's just not worth my time.

If this happened regularly to become annoying, then I would pursue some compensation.

considering this outage is due to A->C conversion and they sent out an email saying there will be outages and it's affecting perhaps hundreds of people, I seriously doubt they will offer me a credit.
:rolleyes:
Something that you didn't mention in your original post. :o Up here(in the sticks), they don't give notice, they just take things down when its convenient for them!
It(a cable modem) is better than satellite, hands down.
....jc

:rolleyes:
Something that you didn't mention in your original post. :o

Well, I did mention "1-2 days of down time as they flip servers over to Comcast." in my OP, but yes, did not mention the Outage email bit.

Whatever, I just hope it works when I get home from work. :rolleyes:

KTSC is at present time 5.1 surround sound showing Crossroads guitar fest. The HD is pretty good also. Now for KRDO ????

I was expecting that soon after the e-mail and postcard I got recently...

My broadband went down this morning but I just rebooted the modem and router and it's been up ever since... (fingers crossed for the rest of the week).


I lost all broadband from AdelphaCast yesterday (Sunday) and it's still out this AM. I am posting this from work. I called to inquire and they said yes, 1-2 days of down time as they flip servers over to Comcast.

Yeah, the IGuide is pretty archaic. If they upgraded that and fixed the cancel recording when both tuners are in use (which I never noticed) it would be a big improvement over MOXI's software IMHO. Oh, and I loved that it gave a running percentage of how full the hard drive was. I can't find that info anywhere on the MOXI settings and I kept losing shows at the beginning. I'm always afraid to set up too many recordings now.

** Does anyone with cable know when we're getting the HD on demand offerings??

-Kelly

I've heard good and bad about the 6412.

Good: Out of the box, you get a larger HDD, faster UI, and grid guide.
Bad: Horrible UI (iGuide), inability to cancel a single recording when both tuners are recording (it cancels both), and lack of channel identifiers when searching for a show (can be a problem when show is on multiple channels).

The new MOXI software has faster menus and enables external storage via USB, as well as time-shifting for listings. Everything I've been waiting for...and we'll probably never see it :)

KTSC is at present time 5.1 surround sound showing Crossroads guitar fest. The HD is pretty good also. Now for KRDO ????
The HD PQ and surround sound on this is the best I've seen in a long time...looks incredible. Which just goes to show how much the compression on OTA and satellite has affected what we see. KTSC/PBS is sending 18.7Mbps, which is probably about as high as you can go, leaving some overhead/filler in the 19.3Mbps frequency.

Also, it seems my HD-TiVo has correct guide information for the current show only, and then reverts to the KTSC SD programming for future hours. I didn't think the HD-TiVo read the PSIP data at all... maybe KTSC is working on getting accurate guide info for us so we can actually record stuff and know what's coming on in the future? That would be nice...

my modem rebooted itself sometime sunday night, only have internet no tv, came
back by itself and now I get a freaking amazing amount of speed.
maxs out at 12mbits/sec.....


I was expecting that soon after the e-mail and postcard I got recently...

My broadband went down this morning but I just rebooted the modem and router and it's been up ever since... (fingers crossed for the rest of the week).

12 MB internet speed...you are lucky. I got switched to Comcast too, and am still around 4. According to DSLReports' speed test, you are one of few Comcast users that gets anywhere near 12.

Also, it seems my HD-TiVo has correct guide information for the current show only, and then reverts to the KTSC SD programming for future hours. I didn't think the HD-TiVo read the PSIP data at all... maybe KTSC is working on getting accurate guide info for us so we can actually record stuff and know what's coming on in the future? That would be nice...
Correction...the guide data that was correct in title and HDTV notation for the guitar concert was apparently an hour off...said 8:00-10:00 but the show ended at 9:00, and then re-started at 11:00. All the future guide data has no HD tag, so back to KTSC-SD shows I guess. Still hope KTSC will get it figured out at some point.

before it would peak out at the normal 4.5mb/s which I was quite happy with.
I suspect something is wrong or comcast hasnt gotten around to capping me yet
which is why my connection is so fast at the moment.

a test this morning was getting peaks of 26mb/s with a sustained 20mbit/s downloading
a linux iso image. speed was wildly changing but that is cable internet for you.
although very few places out in the great ether can feed me that fast
so its mostly wasted speed.

with that kind of speed I could 'almost' get streaming HDTV on my computer.


12 MB internet speed...you are lucky. I got switched to Comcast too, and am still around 4. According to DSLReports' speed test, you are one of few Comcast users that gets anywhere near 12.

Yeah, the IGuide is pretty archaic. If they upgraded that and fixed the cancel recording when both tuners are in use (which I never noticed) it would be a big improvement over MOXI's software IMHO. Oh, and I loved that it gave a running percentage of how full the hard drive was. I can't find that info anywhere on the MOXI settings and I kept losing shows at the beginning. I'm always afraid to set up too many recordings now.

** Does anyone with cable know when we're getting the HD on demand offerings??

-Kelly

Available HDD space (including any external drives) is in the new MOXI software as well. Another improvement we'll probably never see :-)

I heard Comcast will offer HD VOD, but haven't heard a date yet.

Correction...the guide data that was correct in title and HDTV notation for the guitar concert was apparently an hour off...said 8:00-10:00 but the show ended at 9:00, and then re-started at 11:00. All the future guide data has no HD tag, so back to KTSC-SD shows I guess. Still hope KTSC will get it figured out at some point.

Andy Wineke explained this in today's Gazette (http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1327593). KTSC is temporarily running the national feed since there's not much HD in KTSC's regular programming.

Right, that was in his blog linked to from here a few days ago...I'm glad they're using the national HD feed and hope it stays that way. It's gotta have more/better HD than the Rocky Mountain PBS HD lineup they were trying to get from Denver.

There has to be some way they could get the right guide data for it and then send it out to the various TV databases that feed the viewers' boxes. I might call their Engineering dude today.

Here's a direct link to the KNME guide for the PBS-HD feed that Roy mentioned: http://www.pbs.org/tvschedules/index.html?display_date=2006-12-10&display_format=fullweek&display_feed=11672&feeds=1914,2233,11672&station=KNME&zipcode=87102&transport=&provider=&supersite=

Unfortunately the links to the show descriptions don't work.

I was expecting that soon after the e-mail and postcard I got recently...

My broadband went down this morning but I just rebooted the modem and router and it's been up ever since... (fingers crossed for the rest of the week).

been there, done that, no luck.

Day3, no iNet - I'm now officially getting cranky. If this continues, I'll be calling Quest :mad:

It's a real comfort to know that some are getting blazing fast record speeds and others are completely DOA - Go Comcast.

Actually, my guide data was an hour off for all the channels yesterday. I was flipping around thinking it was still pretty early and all the sudden the 10 p.m. news comes on. Eh, it was bedtime anyway.

been there, done that, no luck.

Day3, no iNet - I'm now officially getting cranky. If this continues, I'll be calling Quest :mad:

It's a real comfort to know that some are getting blazing fast record speeds and others are completely DOA - Go Comcast.

A power down/up of my cable modem didn't work. Called Comcast and the tech I got said it had to be off for 3 full minutes due to the changes they were making. Once I did that, I was back in business. (be sure to power down any routers until the modem's fully back up)

Well, I'm only getting 1.6 MBps this morning- Hopefully that is temporary. At least it's working I suppose. :)

before it would peak out at the normal 4.5mb/s which I was quite happy with.
I suspect something is wrong or comcast hasnt gotten around to capping me yet
which is why my connection is so fast at the moment.

a test this morning was getting peaks of 26mb/s with a sustained 20mbit/s downloading
a linux iso image. speed was wildly changing but that is cable internet for you.
although very few places out in the great ether can feed me that fast
so its mostly wasted speed.

with that kind of speed I could 'almost' get streaming HDTV on my computer.


Rmassey, don't call Quest! They will keep pushing you to buy every other product under the sun like a cell phone or a phone package. And it won't be as fast. I can't wait to get off Quest completely due to their annoying telemarketers.

Oh yeah- I noticed that I have a comcast.net IP now.

A power down/up of my cable modem didn't work. Called Comcast and the tech I got said it had to be off for 3 full minutes due to the changes they were making. Once I did that, I was back in business. (be sure to power down any routers until the modem's fully back up)

I'll try that 2nite. Thanks


BTW - I can barely understand A* CS reps - way too 'urban' of accents for my ears :eek:

Well, I'm only getting 1.6 MBps this morning- Hopefully that is temporary. At least it's working I suppose. :)

Rmassey, don't call Quest! They will keep pushing you to buy every other product under the sun like a cell phone or a phone package. And it won't be as fast. I can't wait to get off Quest completely due to their annoying telemarketers.


Yeah, I know - I just want some connectivity - :rolleyes:

Here's a direct link to the KNME guide for the PBS-HD feed that Roy mentioned: http://www.pbs.org/tvschedules/index.html?display_date=2006-12-10&display_format=fullweek&display_feed=11672&feeds=1914,2233,11672&station=KNME&zipcode=87102&transport=&provider=&supersite=

Unfortunately the links to the show descriptions don't work.

I'll tell ya though, their picture quality itself is phenomenal. Probably the best HD OTA I've seen so far.

-Sean

Hey, maybe you guys can help me. I setup my Tivo to record Austin City Limits. When I viewed it, the picture was very bad as if you were getting bad reception.

I have Comcast.

I believe the channel being recorded was out of another CO city, perhaps Denver.

I am thinking Comcast may have an issue with receiving the high def signal from that particular PBS station.

Hey, maybe you guys can help me. I setup my Tivo to record Austin City Limits. When I viewed it, the picture was very bad as if you were getting bad reception.

I have Comcast.

I believe the channel being recorded was out of another CO city, perhaps Denver.

I am thinking Comcast may have an issue with receiving the high def signal from that particular PBS station.

I have Comcast and while i have not watched Austin City Limits, my PQ is great for PBS.

If your recording HD with a Tivo, I'm taking it you have a series 3? Are you using a cable card with it and if so, how hard was it to get a cable card from Adelphia/Comcast?

Hey, maybe you guys can help me. I setup my Tivo to record Austin City Limits. When I viewed it, the picture was very bad as if you were getting bad reception.

I have Comcast.

I believe the channel being recorded was out of another CO city, perhaps Denver.

I am thinking Comcast may have an issue with receiving the high def signal from that particular PBS station.

I recorded ACL on Sat via OTA with my HDDirecTivo. The picture looked great.
I also watched Crossroads last night. It did look fantastic and have a manual timer set to record it today.

So they have been using the Nat feed for a while now. Any chance we can get guide data from our insider at D* that finally fixed KOAA guide data?

I think that KTSC doesn't have the guide data for it yet, which has to happen before they can send it to the various bureaus that feed D* etc. (if my understanding is correct on this)

thanks TG.

BTW, I did a 5 min unplug/replug on the CM and I am now back online with DL speeds of 8500+, not quite the blazing speeds some of you report, but it's double what I was getting at about 47/4800 before.

Why-oh-why did my three very lengthy calls to Adelphia/comcast tech support not yield this simple recommendation to cure my downtime. I prob could have been back online on Sunday. I was doing short 30 second reboots with no success. RockyMountainD, thanks for the tip.

BTW, calls to tech supt require no less than THREE times that you get to enter in your 10 digit phone number, and you then get to repeat it to the CSR once they pick up. How stupid is that for a VRU system.

speed of the cable internet varies a lot by time of day. my speed this evening is down to 12000mbit/s
everyone in town must be realizing the pr0n potential finally.

another option for cable modem issues: I have had to unplug the coax cable and turn the modem
on with the cable unpluged to reset things as well. once the modem is done testing itself put the cable
back on.

My Series 2 Tivo (actually a Toshiba TX-20,) is connected to a box that (to the best of my knowledge,) does not do high def. In fact, when Tivo tries to record ESPND HD, I get no image (as expected.)

Sorry if mentioning high-def brought about confusion. My thought was that the original OTA signal is in high def, and comcast is screwing it up. Apparently I am the only one with this issue though.