...Can anyone point me to a forum on Replay or know if it will work in the post digital and HDTV world?...

Try here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?forumid=27).

It seems just like KKTV not picking up the syndicated Jeopardy in HD, it has not made the effort to pick up the Oprah show which went HD with the new season this week starting 9/8/08. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1064416)

This is for my wife, not me, though I can't say she cares about HD that much. But I would watch it with her when Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, etc. were on.

With the amount of viewers and money made by Oprah, and Jeopardy for that matter, why would KKTV not go to the effort to pass the HD to us? They will probably say that they need more server equipment to record it of the satellite before showtime and play it back in the Mountain time zone, but they seem to get it done every night for Letterman without a problem.

If anyone has the time to call KKTV and ask, it would be nice to know. Or maybe the KKTV engineer (Tim? Bob?) is still reading these boards.

Also if anyone cares, it sounds like Dr. Phil is going HD on 9/22/08 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1035351).

All right, time to man up and go watch some football.

I'm curious what feelings people have about our local cable company performance versus DTH satellite and OTH. Was talking to friend at work with digital cable and he says he's been seeing a lot more artifacts and poorer picture quality lately. Hopefully its a temporary thing as the cable goes through a "tune-up" process for digital conversion. Still, based on what he says and posts elsewhere, I'm a little concered that compression algorithms and bandwidth reductions may result in a service that fails to meet its potential. I don't think there's any question OTA for local channels is the way to go. I'm unsure about cable vs DTH. Any thoughts? From a price for value perspective, it would be interesting to see comments.

My tastes are fairly pedestrian, i.e. major networks (PBS in particular), Discovery, Science, History, CNN, and maybe some others of that genre or focus on the arts. I'm not even sure what channels are out there. Not much into sports. Movies? Don't have a lot of time these days so hours are limited. HBO, Showtime, etc are not that important. Wouldn't a la carte service be great? That thinking probably drives the marketing types that want to sell sell sell nuts :D .

I posted the question here because I wanted to get a current local perspective. There are people pretty passionate about it one way or the other on the worldwide forums, but what about locally?

If only we had FIOS *sigh*. Probably not for many years to come (if ever). Anyone want to form a company and go for it? Hmmmm, wonder if Verizon sells franchises. All it takes is $$$$ (far beyond my meager earning capabilities) :D

What did you think if the HD picture quality of the Broncos game against the Chargers on CBS yesterday?

I'm on Comcast and there seemed to be a lot of motion artifacts. The HD picture looked OK when things were still, but when there was motion, it got blurry.

I'm wondering if I'm seeing this rumored picture compression to fit more channels or something else.

I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing this during the pre-season games. It would be odd to have a high bit-rate for the pre-season games, but then compress the hell out of it for the regular season games.

How did your picture look, and what TV service do you use?

Thanks,
Guy

What did you think if the HD picture quality of the Broncos game against the Chargers on CBS yesterday?

How did your picture look, and what TV service do you use?

I'm OTA in Monument with an antenna pointed at Cheyenne mountain. I watched on a 42" TV using my DTV TIVO using the OTA signal. I had no artifacts or other digital problems with the game.

Someone asked about the CW a while back, and unfortunately KXRM has decided to put the CW on their second channel, usurping the much more appealing RETRO network.

I discovered this when setting up recordings in BTV and saw their updated guide. I just tuned in to 21.2 and sure enough it's the CW. Looking at the so-called HD which would only pass for SD (which is still a vast improvement over ch 57).

Just my opinion, but 1/2 Hour of Maxwell Smart is worth more than 24/7 of the CW.

While not directly TV related, a lot of people have comcast so I thought I'd throw this out. A friend of mine at work had a recent experience with a comcast CSR that told him he is not allowed to have router behind his cable modem. She said that if you need more than one device hooked to the internet you have to pay for each one. I thought this was ludicrous. I currently have 5 devices behind my router that all talk to the internet. I was kind of hoping comcaster might chime in here.

-Mike

ryttingm,
That seems bogus. I've never seen anything in my documentation that says that, unless its buried in the fine print. Besides, what if you have a router that serves printers and other network devices. These are behind the modem. So that's an odd comment. I've heard there may be some policies on data volume (i.e. you are charged a certain rate up to some number of GB or TB/ month, go over that and you pay more). Don't know if that is fact or not. Can anyone confirm?

Cheers

While not directly TV related, a lot of people have comcast so I thought I'd throw this out. A friend of mine at work had a recent experience with a comcast CSR that told him he is not allowed to have router behind his cable modem. She said that if you need more than one device hooked to the internet you have to pay for each one. I thought this was ludicrous. I currently have 5 devices behind my router that all talk to the internet. I was kind of hoping comcaster might chime in here.

-Mike

Sounds like your friend spoke to a confused rep. I'm sure they charge extra for any additional IPs, and I know they don't support customer-purchased routers, but their own website indicates that such equipment (http://help.comcast.net/content/faq/Where-can-I-get-support-for-my-home-network) is allowed. They'll even try to set it up for you (http://help.comcast.net/content/faq/Will-Comcast-install-a-wireless-adapter-that-I-already-own).

Edit: First link seems broken. Here's the text:

Where can I get support for my home network?

If you subscribe to the Comcast Home Networking service, there are many FAQs to help you with all aspects of your home network.

If you have built your own home network (using networking equipment not supplied by Comcast), please contact your hardware vendor directly for support. Below you will find links to some of the more common home networking hardware vendors. For more information on the products and services that Comcast is able to provide support for, please see this FAQ.

http://www.linksys.com
http://www.netgear.com
http://www.cisco.com

It seems just like KKTV not picking up the syndicated Jeopardy in HD, it has not made the effort to pick up the Oprah show which went HD with the new season this week starting 9/8/08.

KOAA is doing the same thing with The Ellen Degeners Show that my wife watches every day. I sent an email to the engineering department (Quintin Henry) but I have not heard anything back yet.

I watch it occassionaly with her and the KOAA bright blue bars are driving me crazy - I think I'm going to change the season pass back to the SD channel...

With KRDO now doing their 10:00 news in HD I was wondering when KOAA was going to do their 10:00 news in HD since that is the news we watch each night. (Well, my wife is still watching KOAA but I have been watching KRDO because of their HD. :) )

So I sent an email to KOAA and here is the response I got:

> Mid to late 2009 is our HD schedule.

> Quentin Henry
> KOAA-TV
> Chief engineer

Not the answer I was hoping for! Gotta ask the wife if we can change the season pass to KRDO!

I've put off upgrading my DTV HDTivo for a long time because I didn't want to spend the $200 and commit to two more years. Just the other day I got a letter in the mail stating that I will get a free upgrade to the new DTV HD DVR with no billing or commitment changes. I guess it pays off to wait a while sometimes.

My only concern is if the new DVR will record OTA HD. Last I heard, the DTV DVR's don't record OTA HD. Anyone know if they do record OTA HD and what model to make sure I get?

I've put off upgrading my DTV HDTivo for a long time because I didn't want to spend the $200 and commit to two more years. Just the other day I got a letter in the mail stating that I will get a free upgrade to the new DTV HD DVR with no billing or commitment changes. I guess it pays off to wait a while sometimes.

My only concern is if the new DVR will record OTA HD. Last I heard, the DTV DVR's don't record OTA HD. Anyone know if they do record OTA HD and what model to make sure I get?

The latest models (HR21 & HR22) don't record OTA without the AM21 Off-Air Tuner ($50 I think). The big 4 locals will be available in HD off the satellite next month.

The HR22 is the newest HD DVR and has double the HD capacity of the HR21 (100 hrs vs 50 hrs). The eSATA port is active on both however, so you can increase the capacity easily on your own.

I watched on Comcast in the Cottonwood Park area. There were hard breakups probably every 15-20sec. How was OTA or any other Comcast viewer's experience?

How was OTA or any other Comcast viewer's experience?
Ota was excellent at my house, very clean and sharp with no breakups.

Roy

I watched on Comcast in the Cottonwood Park area. There were hard breakups probably every 15-20sec. How was OTA or any other Comcast viewer's experience?

Right at the beginning of the game the sound kept going on and off, but luckily it didn't last too long. The rest of the game had good quality. I'm on Comcast in the NW part of town.

Guy

I watched on Comcast in the Cottonwood Park area. There were hard breakups probably every 15-20sec. How was OTA or any other Comcast viewer's experience?

No breakups in Stetson Hills, Comcast into QAM tuner on Panny Plasma.

Though during commercials with white text on a black background the sound becomes garbled, not sure why the picture would effect the sound but it has been repeatable since the Olympics.

I watched on Comcast in the Cottonwood Park area. There were hard breakups probably every 15-20sec. How was OTA or any other Comcast viewer's experience?

OTA in Monument area, breakups for the first 3-4 minutes of the pre-game/game then stable the remainder of the day.

My only concern is if the new DVR will record OTA HD. Last I heard, the DTV DVR's don't record OTA HD. Anyone know if they do record OTA HD and what model to make sure I get?

The HR20 will record OTA but you won't get one unless it's rebuilt, if even then. If they plan to send you an HR21, you can probably get the AM21 free if you can work it with the CSR. Not sure about the HR22. I have an HR20 and an HR21/AM21. Both work great recording OTA. D* should have locals in HD in Colorado Springs/Pueblo sometime in October and that's firm as per their website so this won't be a problem for you very long. Good luck.

The HR20 will record OTA but you won't get one unless it's rebuilt, if even then. If they plan to send you an HR21, you can probably get the AM21 free if you can work it with the CSR. Not sure about the HR22. I have an HR20 and an HR21/AM21. Both work great recording OTA. D* should have locals in HD in Colorado Springs/Pueblo sometime in October and that's firm as per their website so this won't be a problem for you very long. Good luck.

Well, after 1.5 hours on the phone with the DTV folks, 4 transfers and 1 supervisor later, I got my "free" HR22 and AM21. The installer showed up with only an HR22 because he didn't know what I meant when I said I need an AM21. Then I had to order the AM21 myself because DTV people can't order it themselves. Apparently their computers aren't setup so they can even see the AM21 as an order able item. After I ordered the AM21, the DTV supervisor gave me a rebate on my billing statement of an equivalent amount. Not sure if it was worth 1.5 hours of my time but I should know in a few days if it at least works ok.

2 questions to pose to the forum:

1) I notice that KKTV/CBS seems to start their shows 1-2 minutes early vs the clock on the comcast box. No other channel does this and I do note that the box is pretty much to the second on the atomic clock. This really sucks for DVR because if you several shows recording in a given night, there are conflicts by setting only 1 channel to starting recording 2 minutes early. Is this a CBS issue or a KKTV issue?

2) There are several series recordings I have where the guide data does not denote if the show is new or not, thus every airing gets recorded. I often find myself scanning ahead to cancel the recordings that are not new. More times than not, the first time I cancel recording, it shows as cancelled but somehow ends up uncancelling. It seems that a 2nd cancelling in the guide at a later is remembered. Has anyone else noticed this?

I can't address your second question since I do not subscribe to Comcast. Regarding the early start of shows, I believe this is due to the "Rocky Mountain Minute". This concept, AFAIK, gives stations in the RM time zone an extra minute or two which they use for additional advertising. If prime time ends at 9:58, two minutes of additional ads can be sold before the 10:00 news starts. There have been posts on this in other forums. You may want to search AVs or go to Google for a full explanation.

I can't address your second question since I do not subscribe to Comcast. Regarding the early start of shows, I believe this is due to the "Rocky Mountain Minute". This concept, AFAIK, gives stations in the RM time zone an extra minute or two which they use for additional advertising. If prime time ends at 9:58, two minutes of additional ads can be sold before the 10:00 news starts. There have been posts on this in other forums. You may want to search AVs or go to Google for a full explanation.


I believe the "Mountain Minute" was only an NBC thing and that ended about 8-10 years ago. I'm not sure if CBS provides a "Mountain" feed to their affiliates, so the affils have to record the Eastern feed and play it back. KKTV takes commercial time away from their prime access shows, starts the CBS prime early and then adds back that time in prime, where they can charge more money for the spots. Again, I'm not sure if CBS provides a "Mountain" feed, but even if they did, KK could still do what I just explained and then use the "Mountain" feed as a back-up.

Comcast just installed my hd dvr but ther was no paperwork that came with it explaining how to program the remote to use the dvd or tv contol buttons. I need to program the remote to control the tv and dvd. Can anyone help out with directions? Thanks in advance.

Comcast just installed my hd dvr but ther was no paperwork that came with it explaining how to program the remote to use the dvd or tv contol buttons. I need to program the remote to control the tv and dvd. Can anyone help out with directions? Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I don't have the code sheet but usually you can find that stuff by Googling with the model number. However, the remote control snob in me would say this link is the solution to all remote control frustration: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6NQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1223161122&sr=8-1
:cool:

Sorry, I don't have the code sheet but usually you can find that stuff by Googling with the model number. However, the remote control snob in me would say this link is the solution to all remote control frustration: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Harmony-Advanced-Universal-Remote/dp/B00119T6NQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1223161122&sr=8-1
:cool:Sorry I can not agree, the most frustating thing I own is a Harmony 1000 remote. The support from Logitec is non-existant and tons of FW updates have made the thing even worse. Freeze-ups, run-away buttons, unexpected resets and cumbersome setup make for more frustration than you would ever get from Comcast. Did I mention that my Harmony remote is a POS? Check the thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730522&highlight=harmony+1000&page=46

Comcast just installed my hd dvr but ther was no paperwork that came with it explaining how to program the remote to use the dvd or tv contol buttons. I need to program the remote to control the tv and dvd. Can anyone help out with directions? Thanks in advance.

Check here (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Motorola_DVR/Programming_the_Remote).

RockyMountainD

Thanks for the help. The link explained everything.

Rick

RockyMountainD

Thanks for the help. The link explained everything.

Rick

No problem. If you're so inclined, be sure to map a button to skip forward 30 seconds (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Motorola_DVR/Programming_the_Remote#Add_30-Second_Skip) (great for commercials). Also, if you have a good HD TV, program one for "format" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13524611#post13524611) (keeps the STB's signal as native as is possible).

Sorry I can not agree, the most frustating thing I own is a Harmony 1000 remote. The support from Logitec is non-existant and tons of FW updates have made the thing even worse. Freeze-ups, run-away buttons, unexpected resets and cumbersome setup make for more frustration than you would ever get from Comcast. Did I mention that my Harmony remote is a POS? Check the thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=730522&highlight=harmony+1000&page=46

I am sorry about that. It sounds like the 1000 is a piece of junk. All I know is that I've set up an 880 for technical and non-technical people, and a Harmony 880 and a One for my house, and I never have to tell people how many remotes to use and which one to press AUX and then TV/VIDEO three times unless you're in this mode, and make sure the receiver is on, blah blah blah. And if you get out of sync you press Help and answer yes/no questions. I would highly recommend the 880 for small budgets ($99 refurbished at Amazon) and the One for medium budgets ($179 at Amazon). Also, I've had good experience with their support like when the charging base wasn't charging and they sent out the redesigned model for free, no questions asked.

Anyone else with Comcast missing the schedule information for channel 3 (FOX)? I missed recording Prison Break tonight because of this. All of my other channels are fine. It's just FOX and it's both the SD and HD channels that are all missing and just say "To be determined" or something like that.

Very very annoyed at this. Prison Break is one of my favorite shows. I record it on 2 boxes to ensure I never miss it (one on SD and one on HD) so neither box got it tonight. How does this happen? Sigh.

I am having the same issue also.

I missed recording Prison Break tonight because of this.

I don't know about Comcast's guide, but you didn't miss Prison Break. Fox is showing the MLB playoffs and the World Series, so a lot of their shows will be missed for a couple of weeks. Last night the LA-Philadelphia game was on.

If you want an accurate guide, try zap-to-it.com or titantv.com

lsilvest: Thanks for that info! I'm not a baseball fan, so I didn't know about that. So maybe FOX just marked their entire schedule as "to be determined" because they didn't know what game they would be showing? Still seems like they should properly update their schedule. But glad to hear I didn't miss anything.

So maybe FOX just marked their entire schedule as "to be determined" because they didn't know what game they would be showing?

It's not Fox, it's Comcast. Just out of curiosity, I checked the sources I gave you and KXRM (which uses TitanTV just as do the other locals) and everyone has the correct information. I use BeyondTV for all locals and their program guide is right on. In fact their guide is the most accurate I've seen, especially at updating sports information and other last minute changes.

For Direct TV subscribers - the word from D* is that our locals will be available in HD on or around Oct. 22 (Pueblo, too). I'll believe it when I see it but since they are finally committing, I think it's going to happen. They have been on target with all the others scheduled for October so far.

I'm getting them already OTA but it will be nice to ditch the antenna, not to mention the fact that Comcast will have to shut it regarding lack of local HD on D*.

For Direct TV subscribers - the word from D* is that our locals will be available in HD on or around Oct. 22 (Pueblo, too). I'll believe it when I see it but since they are finally committing, I think it's going to happen. They have been on target with all the others scheduled for October so far.

I'm getting them already OTA but it will be nice to ditch the antenna, not to mention the fact that Comcast will have to shut it regarding lack of local HD on D*.

Yeah! Was hoping it was last week, then this week, but next week is OK too :)

Looks like Fox News HD is close as well.

I'm getting them already OTA but it will be nice to ditch the antenna, not to mention the fact that Comcast will have to shut it regarding lack of local HD on D*.

Before you do ditch your antenna, please compare the quality of the two sources on your TV and report to us. I would be happy to do the same with Dish Network whenever they get around to making our locals available in HD.

Roy

For Direct TV subscribers - the word from D* is that our locals will be available in HD on or around Oct. 22 (Pueblo, too). I'll believe it when I see it but since they are finally committing, I think it's going to happen. They have been on target with all the others scheduled for October so far.

I'm getting them already OTA but it will be nice to ditch the antenna, not to mention the fact that Comcast will have to shut it regarding lack of local HD on D*.

Good deal. I'm assuming I will have no breakups in the picture with D* local HD, vs. 1 or 2 per hour with my OTA now.

I would like to take down my outside antenna, which is probably something of a lightning risk, if the satellite HD locals are reliable. Then again, in the winter sometimes the snow piles up on the satellite dish and then what you thought was recording doesn't record at all.

We will be leaving the antenna up and yes, we'll compare the PQ on both.

Fox News in HD up and running on D* this morning. Looks great.

I wish we were getting CNNHD on comcast. hell, you would think that one cable news HD would be available for Comcast customers. Would be nice for this historic race.

I have comcast basic cable and recieve local HD with my QAM, if I upgraded to Digital Starter would I lose those HD stations when using their standard digital box? I am not going to pay $14 for their HD option when all I really care about is getting Fox and NBC in HD, those should be free and I wont pay extra for them simply out of principle. I know that if I called comcast they would give me the run around that I have to have the HD package if I want anything in HD (they wont even admit to broadcasting the stuff QAM picks up), so Im asking here.

I have comcast basic cable and recieve local HD with my QAM, if I upgraded to Digital Starter would I lose those HD stations when using their standard digital box? I am not going to pay $14 for their HD option when all I really care about is getting Fox and NBC in HD, those should be free and I wont pay extra for them simply out of principle. I know that if I called comcast they would give me the run around that I have to have the HD package if I want anything in HD (they wont even admit to broadcasting the stuff QAM picks up), so Im asking here.

Somewhat related question...

I finally got my HDHR hooked up to my SageTV system, it looks great and seems to be working well (knocking on wood). Currently we have Comcast's HD service ("Digital Classic Pkg") and HD-DVR, if we get rid of these will we loose the unencrypted QAM channels (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, PBS)? I hope we can, that will save almost $30 a month!

Brian

Looks like we really are getting some HD locals this Wednesday. D*s online tv listing are showing them. But, and it is a big BUT, it looks like we will only get KOAA, KKTV, and KXRM. No KRDO!!!!! What's up with that S***?

Can someone confirm, it looks like Channel 8 (PBS) will be doing their OTA on VHF Ch 8 and not UHF. And, the transmission will orginate from Pueblo. This information is what shows up on the TV Fool website. If so, that would be the pitts. I thought they were going to have a UHF transmission from Cheyenne Mtn. Anyone have more information on it? Suppose I could just call the station and ask. Wish the FCC had done away with all the VHF frequencies. Mixing VHF and UHF makes the antenna situation a mess. A single small UHF antenna would have been so much nicer and convenient. I suppose we should be happy nearly all our local channels are in the same (or close to it) direction. Still ...

KTSC is doing something weird. They want to operate a DTS--that is, multiple transmitters on the same channel. So their main facility would be the transmitter you saw in Pueblo, but they also want to operate a low-powered channel 8 transmitter where their current channel 26 transmitter is.

Not sure what their logic is. You'd think they'd stick with the one transmitter that seems to cover well.

- Trip

I have comcast basic cable and recieve local HD with my QAM, if I upgraded to Digital Starter would I lose those HD stations when using their standard digital box? I am not going to pay $14 for their HD option when all I really care about is getting Fox and NBC in HD, those should be free and I wont pay extra for them simply out of principle. I know that if I called comcast they would give me the run around that I have to have the HD package if I want anything in HD (they wont even admit to broadcasting the stuff QAM picks up), so Im asking here.

I don't think you'd lose the digital locals via QAM so long as you have some sort of video service with Comcast.

However, I don't think they have to carry them unencrypted either. My gut tells me they'll encrypt them at some point.

Somewhat related question...

I finally got my HDHR hooked up to my SageTV system, it looks great and seems to be working well (knocking on wood). Currently we have Comcast's HD service ("Digital Classic Pkg") and HD-DVR, if we get rid of these will we loose the unencrypted QAM channels (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, PBS)? I hope we can, that will save almost $30 a month!

Brian

See my answer to idividebyzero. I think as long as you have video service with them, you'll get your unecrypted QAM channels...for now.

Looks like we really are getting some HD locals this Wednesday. D*s online tv listing are showing them. But, and it is a big BUT, it looks like we will only get KOAA, KKTV, and KXRM. No KRDO!!!!! What's up with that S***?

Maybe they'll sign on at the last second.

Maybe we ask Tim for a status (politely) :)

Tim Larson, General Manager
Phone: 719-632-1515
Email Address: T.Larson@krdo.com

Looks like we really are getting some HD locals this Wednesday. D*s online tv listing are showing them. But, and it is a big BUT, it looks like we will only get KOAA, KKTV, and KXRM. No KRDO!!!!! What's up with that S***?

Can someone confirm this? We're getting HD locals tomorrow??

Can someone confirm this? We're getting HD locals tomorrow??

Satelliteracer said so here (http://www.dbstalk.com/showpost.php?p=1839800&postcount=167). I don't think he's ever been wrong :)

And the digital locals (except for KRDO) are now showing in Directv.com's TV Listings link.

I think we're good to go for Thursday (not tomorrow).

Typically it would be ABC that's holding up the contract as it's the only one with news in HD. Oh well, they'll solve it eventually. I'm just glad we'll get KXRM from Direct TV as that's always been the most unreliable OTA. We're keeping our antenna up for ABC and PBS as well as the subchannels. D* says we're go for the 22nd and that's tomorrow.

Typically it would be ABC that's holding up the contract as it's the only one with news in HD. Oh well, they'll solve it eventually. I'm just glad we'll get KXRM from Direct TV as that's always been the most unreliable OTA. We're keeping our antenna up for ABC and PBS as well as the subchannels. D* says we're go for the 22nd and that's tomorrow.

I stand corrected. 22nd it is. Yeah!

KTSC is doing something weird. They want to operate a DTS--that is, multiple transmitters on the same channel. So their main facility would be the transmitter you saw in Pueblo, but they also want to operate a low-powered channel 8 transmitter where their current channel 26 transmitter is.

Not sure what their logic is. You'd think they'd stick with the one transmitter that seems to cover well.

Trip,
Thanks for the reply. I gotta agree with you, that is wierd. Wonder if they have some sort of power restriction on Cheyenne Mountain. Or, while Cheyenne Mountain is good for Colo Spgs, maybe not so hot for Pueblo? Alternatively, perhaps Rocky Mtn PBS (HQ'd in Denver) is exercising some pull in this area. Just don't know. If time presents itself, perhaps a call to KTSC engineering staff (if they will talke to me - :D ) might prove useful.
satcom15

I stand corrected. 22nd it is. Yeah!

What channels are they showing up on on DirecTV? I was looking through my guide last night, but couldn't see any indication of local HDs.

What channels are they showing up on on DirecTV? I was looking through my guide last night, but couldn't see any indication of local HDs.

If you have "hide duplicate SD channels" turned on, you'll still only see 1 row for each local.

What I noticed this morning was that the digital versions were listed by call sign (such as KOAA) while the analog versions show as CSxx (where xx is the channel number).

You can also jump to primetime tonight in the guide and look for the HD tag for programs on channels 5, 11 and 21.

Trip,
Thanks for the reply. I gotta agree with you, that is wierd. Wonder if they have some sort of power restriction on Cheyenne Mountain. Or, while Cheyenne Mountain is good for Colo Spgs, maybe not so hot for Pueblo? Alternatively, perhaps Rocky Mtn PBS (HQ'd in Denver) is exercising some pull in this area. Just don't know. If time presents itself, perhaps a call to KTSC engineering staff (if they will talke to me - :D ) might prove useful.
satcom15

If you find anything out, definitely post it. I'm as curious as you are.

- Trip

Found this today on the web. As of this morning I don't see any locals in my channel listing yet. News belows clearly says ABC is not onboard yet.
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Oct 22, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
WHAT: DIRECTV, Inc., the nation's leading satellite television service
provider, is now offering local HD programming to customers in the
Colorado Springs-Pueblo, Colo., designated market area. The
following broadcast networks are available in HD: KOAA/NBC,
KKTV/CBS and KXRM/FOX. With the addition of Colorado
Springs-Pueblo, Colo., DIRECTV now offers local HD broadcast
channels in 103 cities, representing nearly 85 percent of U.S. TV
households.
By the end of 2008, DIRECTV will provide local HD broadcast channels
in more than 121 cities, representing approximately 88 percent of
U.S. TV households.
WHEN: Beginning today, Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2008.
HOW: To receive DIRECTV's local HD programming, customers must have an
H20 or H21 HD receiver or an HR20 or HR21 DIRECTV Plus(R) HD DVR and
a Ka/Ku band dish. For information on how to get DIRECTV HD
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As of Wed evening I see Fox, NBC and CBS on HD locals. Watched the world series game in HD on DTV and saw no picture defects. Gonna miss ABC for the college football until they get onboard.

t.

Just checked out the DirecTV HD locals tonight - great to have them. I bet I will have less picture breakups overall. But in the winter, a heavy snow on the dish will block my signal and lose some recordings...which channel to record... what to do, what to do...

I've heard that in most markets, D* picks up the OTA signal and rebroadcasts that from the satellite, vs. in some cases they get a direct feed from the local TV stations which is higher quality than compressed MPEG-2 (8 to 18 Mbps in our market). I wonder which way they are getting the COS locals.

Also, I just remembered, the MPEG-4 transmissions are supposed to have basically the same picture quality in a smaller file size due to the more modern compression. So changing our series recordings to the satellite version of COS locals will take up less space on the DVR. On my one HR20 I have 750GB attached so it never gets full, but the other one just has the stock 250GB and it gets pretty full.

I need to vent....why do the board operators at KXRM and KKTV ALWAYS have to put up a station ID right at the top of the hour during sports? Can't they wait a minute or two until action has stopped to do this? Are the board ops just going through motions and not watching what is going on the air? I've seen KK do it during football and KXRM do it during football and baseball. Just a little common courtesy and paying attention to what is airing is all it would take to avoid this. MAN, IT MAKES ME MAD!

Awesome! I haven't been paying much attention to this thread as I have been receiving HD DNS channels for the last couple years. As I was flipping through channels tonight I noticed one of my locals with the HD icon in the title. Sure enough it was in HD! I'm so excited. I wasn't able to receive NBC via DNS so that was the only channel I wasn't able to get. Now, thats a thing of the past! This is great! I'll finally be able to watch the Sun. night football game in HD!

I wonder if KRDO is not on D* HD locals because of some foot-dragging or technology lacking on their part. They always seem to adopt things last, at least until their local news was first to go HD. I haven't checked recently to see if they are sending us DD 5.1 or whether they're still in stereo. I sure hope they embrace surround sound by the time Lost comes back in January.

And I do have to give KRDO props for getting the equipment/setup to add HD graphics onto the national HD feed - I saw a weather alert at the top of the screen that did not change the HD programming to SD for a change... I still don't think the COS locals need to tell us about minor weather issues in 2 counties on the eastern plains endlessly...seems like once every 5 minutes would be plenty for the 7 viewers of HD out there, but all the stations leave it on nonstop.

I wonder if KRDO is not on D* HD locals because of some foot-dragging or technology lacking on their part. They always seem to adopt things last, at least until their local news was first to go HD...

Andy Wineke is looking into it. Blog post here (http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/2008/10/directv-adds-most-local-channels-in-hd.html).

None of my HD local channels work in HD nor regular local channels all i ever continuous blocks scrambling and i keep getting META 6 ERROR everytime i try to use VOD is anyone else from the springs getting this problem i have the motorola DCT HD DVR

I need to vent....why do the board operators at KXRM and KKTV ALWAYS have to put up a station ID right at the top of the hour during sports? Can't they wait a minute or two until action has stopped to do this? Are the board ops just going through motions and not watching what is going on the air? I've seen KK do it during football and KXRM do it during football and baseball. Just a little common courtesy and paying attention to what is airing is all it would take to avoid this. MAN, IT MAKES ME MAD!

Unless things have changed since I was DJ'ing in college, stations are required by the FCC to do station IDs at the top of every hour. I feel your pain though. How expensive can it be for the stations to get HD station IDs and HD weather alerts?

Comast recently redesignated the local HD lineup. We're back to 5.1 , 11.1 , 13.1 , and 21.1 . Has anyone found the PBS digital station? Should have been moved from 87.1 to 8.1 .

Rich

Comast recently redesignated the local HD lineup. We're back to 5.1 , 11.1 , 13.1 , and 21.1 . Has anyone found the PBS digital station? Should have been moved from 87.1 to 8.1 .

Rich

FWIW I rescanned and before the rescan my PBS-HD station was working at 87.1 but now it is missing. So its still there just moved i'll try and see if I can find the new assignment.

How annoying that Colorado Springs will be losing its KTSC PBS UHF digital signal from Cheyenne Mtn and instead get a VHF signal from Pueblo. Who made that decision and why? Grrrrr.

How annoying that Colorado Springs will be losing its KTSC PBS UHF digital signal from Cheyenne Mtn and instead get a VHF signal from Pueblo. Who made that decision and why? Grrrrr.

I guess they desire fewer viewers. Someone should call them to inquire, and post a reason (if they have one other than cost) on here.

I guess they desire fewer viewers. Someone should call them to inquire, and post a reason (if they have one other than cost) on here.

If someone has a contact at KTSC who will entertain questions, I am wondering why they think that 6Mbps is sufficient for 1080i. Programs that involve any motion at all are nearly unwatchable. It would be better if they switched to 480i and stopped pretending to broadcast HD.

The odd thing is that their fill packet rate is also about 6Mbps. Maybe they are just trying to keep expectations low.

Surely that can't be the video data rate. 6kbps? That's barely enough for audio. :D

If someone has a contact at KTSC who will entertain questions, I am wondering why they think that 6kbps is sufficient for 1080i. Programs that involve any motion at all are nearly unwatchable. It would be better if they switched to 480i and stopped pretending to broadcast HD.

The odd thing is that their fill packet rate is also about 6kbps. Maybe they are just trying to keep expectations low.

Surely that can't be the video data rate. 6kbps? That's barely enough for audio. :D

Really 6Mbps, of course, as noted below. If I was a satellite I would crash on the beach. Here is the raw data:


-PID--FREQ-----BANDWIDTH-BANDWIDTH-
0000 11 p/s 2 kb/s 17 kbit
0030 2 p/s 0 kb/s 4 kbit
0031 4253 p/s 780 kb/s 6397 kbit
0034 131 p/s 24 kb/s 197 kbit
0035 131 p/s 24 kb/s 197 kbit
0040 1 p/s 0 kb/s 2 kbit
0041 1994 p/s 366 kb/s 2998 kbit
0044 131 p/s 24 kb/s 197 kbit
0045 130 p/s 23 kb/s 196 kbit
0060 2 p/s 0 kb/s 4 kbit
006a 59 p/s 10 kb/s 89 kbit
0070 1 p/s 0 kb/s 2 kbit
0074 988 p/s 181 kb/s 1486 kbit
0075 89 p/s 16 kb/s 135 kbit
0080 1 p/s 0 kb/s 2 kbit
008a 5 p/s 0 kb/s 8 kbit
0161 531 p/s 97 kb/s 799 kbit
0911 15 p/s 2 kb/s 23 kbit
1d00 7 p/s 1 kb/s 11 kbit
1d01 5 p/s 0 kb/s 8 kbit
1ffb 13 p/s 2 kb/s 20 kbit
1fff 4386 p/s 805 kb/s 6596 kbit
2000 12901 p/s 2368 kb/s 19403 kbit


For comparison, here is KOAA:


-PID--FREQ-----BANDWIDTH-BANDWIDTH-
0000 10 p/s 1 kb/s 16 kbit
0030 9 p/s 1 kb/s 14 kbit
0031 12186 p/s 2237 kb/s 18328 kbit
0034 280 p/s 51 kb/s 422 kbit
1d00 0 p/s 0 kb/s 1 kbit
1e00 1 p/s 0 kb/s 2 kbit
1e80 0 p/s 0 kb/s 1 kbit
1ffb 70 p/s 12 kb/s 105 kbit
1fff 338 p/s 62 kb/s 509 kbit
2000 12901 p/s 2368 kb/s 19403 kbit
-PID--FREQ-----BANDWIDTH-BANDWIDTH-


KOAA rules!

That's 6 Mbps, not 6 kbps. :D

- Trip

That's 6 Mbps, not 6 kbps. :D

- Trip

Yep, you've got me there. I was mainly focusing on the "6", which is still inadequate for any pretense of HD. But I should still be more careful with my powers of 10.

Whew. Thanks. I was wondering about that 6 kbps figure. That would be quite the feat - video compressed to 6 kbps :D

Still Gato, you piqued my curiosity. Could you translate the table you had in your post? What do the columns represent? PID = Process ID I presume. The others? p/s? And where does the 6 Mbps come from? And where did the table come from?
Thanks

Would just love to get a spectrum analyzer or other test equipment and nose around out there to see what we are really getting over cable and OTA. LOL


Yep, you've got me there. I was mainly focusing on the "6", which is still inadequate for any pretense of HD. But I should still be more careful with my powers of 10.

I live in Briargate and currently use old school rabbit ears mounted in a window for receiving local ATSC stations. I would like to move the antenna into the attic for aesthetic purposes and hopefully to improve my reception for some stations by getting a higher elevation on the antenna.

What antennas work well for everyone in the COS area that mount them in their attics? I have a composite rough material.

Cheers,
Scott

Whew. Thanks. I was wondering about that 6 kbps figure. That would be quite the feat - video compressed to 6 kbps :D

Still Gato, you piqued my curiosity. Could you translate the table you had in your post? What do the columns represent? PID = Process ID I presume. The others? p/s? And where does the 6 Mbps come from? And where did the table come from?
Thanks

Would just love to get a spectrum analyzer or other test equipment and nose around out there to see what we are really getting over cable and OTA. LOL

I think I'd better start with a quick overview of the data stream, starting with the output of the tuner/demodulator. At this point it is digital; everything upstream of that is magic to me.

We start with a fixed rate (19Mbps) stream that contains multiple data streams. There are separate streams for video data, audio data, and other housekeeping and informational data. To allow the individual streams to be reconstructed, the data stream consists of fixed length (188 byte) packets; each is tagged with a Package Identifier (PID).

The table was generated by a program called dvbtraffic, which does nothing but read the PID from each packet, count them up, and output a summary once per second. Column 2 is packets per second (p/s); columns 3 and 4 are just unit conversions of p/s to bps and kbps, given the fixed packet size of 188 bytes. This program can be found in the downloads section of www.linuxtv.org.

Strictly speaking, to know what each stream contains you need to start with the Master Guide Table (MGT), which describes everything else. This whole process is fully described in the Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP) standard; the current version of which may be found here:

http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_65cr1_with_amend_1.pdf

However, you can usually spot the video and audio data by looking at the dvbtraffic output. The KOAA example is easiest to read since they do no multicasting. PID 0031 is the video and PID 0034 is the audio. The KTSC sample is more complicated because they multicast and they have two audio streams (english and spanish) for each of the first two video streams. If you look back at the data I think you can spot the pattern.

There are two special PIDs:

PID 2000 is really more of a pseudo-PID which stands for "all of the data". Note that it comprises the full 19403 kbps. This will be a constant unless you are dropping packets due to signal problems.

PID 1fff is for filler packets. Since the overall data rate must be kept constant even though the audio and video data rates are time-varying, filler packets are inserted as necessary. Ideally, the filler data rate should be kept as small as possible, but must never drop to zero or madness will result.

This brings us back to what I was originally whining about. KTSC is wasting a huge amount of bandwidth on filler, to the detriment of their primary video channel.

Also, I'm not sure that a spectrum analyzer will help you with any of this, unless you know of one that will process the digital data.

Gato,
Thanks for the information. Now that you've explained things, yeah, I can see why the griping. That's a lot of filler. Is it necessary? Since I'm not a video engineer couldn't say. As for a spectrum analyzer, you are of course correct with respect to the digital stream, its not going to show much. I'm more curious about the OTA bandwidth itself. Too, I wonder what modulation and FEC schemes are used. :D Thanks again.

Cheers.

I think I'd better start with a quick overview of the data stream, starting with the output of the tuner/demodulator. At this point it is digital; everything upstream of that is magic to me.

We start with a fixed rate (19Mbps) stream that contains multiple data streams. There are separate streams for video data, audio data, and other housekeeping and informational data. To allow the individual streams to be reconstructed, the data stream consists of fixed length (188 byte) packets; each is tagged with a Package Identifier (PID).

The table was generated by a program called dvbtraffic, which does nothing but read the PID from each packet, count them up, and output a summary once per second. Column 2 is packets per second (p/s); columns 3 and 4 are just unit conversions of p/s to bps and kbps, given the fixed packet size of 188 bytes. This program can be found in the downloads section of www.linuxtv.org.

Strictly speaking, to know what each stream contains you need to start with the Master Guide Table (MGT), which describes everything else. This whole process is fully described in the Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP) standard; the current version of which may be found here:

http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_65cr1_with_amend_1.pdf

However, you can usually spot the video and audio data by looking at the dvbtraffic output. The KOAA example is easiest to read since they do no multicasting. PID 0031 is the video and PID 0034 is the audio. The KTSC sample is more complicated because they multicast and they have two audio streams (english and spanish) for each of the first two video streams. If you look back at the data I think you can spot the pattern.

There are two special PIDs:

PID 2000 is really more of a pseudo-PID which stands for "all of the data". Note that it comprises the full 19403 kbps. This will be a constant unless you are dropping packets due to signal problems.

PID 1fff is for filler packets. Since the overall data rate must be kept constant even though the audio and video data rates are time-varying, filler packets are inserted as necessary. Ideally, the filler data rate should be kept as small as possible, but must never drop to zero or madness will result.

This brings us back to what I was originally whining about. KTSC is wasting a huge amount of bandwidth on filler, to the detriment of their primary video channel.

Also, I'm not sure that a spectrum analyzer will help you with any of this, unless you know of one that will process the digital data.

FWIW I rescanned and before the rescan my PBS-HD station was working at 87.1 but now it is missing. So its still there just moved i'll try and see if I can find the new assignment.

Just an update. I rescanned again and 87.1/KTSC-HD is still missing so I tried a scan with my computer's QAM tuner and sure enough 87.1 came back. Of course there is no way to manually add a QAM channel on my TV (Olevia 537H). They must have changed something minor and now my tuner can't pick it up. From my research it seems some tuners can handle certain anomalies better than others. I'm guessing they were trying to reassign it from 87.1 to the 8.1 like they did with the rest of the HD locals but messed it up. If you have the ability to add a QAM channel manually give adding 87 a try. This however doesn't fix my problem. Would comcast engineering work with me on this? Or should I just pray it gets fixed one day?

Over on the Columbia MO thread, there's some KOMU surplus on Ebay. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Thales-UHF-Digital-Television-Transmitter-44-kW-UMC_W0QQitemZ190271890942QQihZ009QQcategoryZ92078QQcmdZViewI temQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)

"Psst. Buddy...wanna buy a used transmitter? It's water-cooled..."

Which brings to mind the future of channel 1/6 :D rather 5/30. With KOAA's "numerator" set to go to RF channel 42 on Cheyenne Mtn., will the "denominator," K30AA channel 30(also on Cheyenne Mtn.) be split off from KOAA to make a new broadcast service? Or, will it be put up on Ebay?

Looks like it will go to just 3 kW when it goes to digital mode (bet that changes) but is predicted to cover much of the same area as it does currently in analog.

Anyone care to offer up any better ideas than All-Jay (Leno) All the time?

Anyone else getting unlistenable sound stuttering on 5.1? Its been like this for around a week. You cant even watch anything because the sound keeps cutting out every other second.

Anyone else getting unlistenable sound stuttering on 5.1? Its been like this for around a week. You cant even watch anything because the sound keeps cutting out every other second.
How are you getting the signal (cable, satellite, OTA?).

comcast, it seems normal again with SNL

Anyone else getting unlistenable sound stuttering on 5.1? Its been like this for around a week. You cant even watch anything because the sound keeps cutting out every other second.

I get my feed OTA and haven't found any problem with 5.1 except for the obnoxious digital tv notices.

I know they claim the announcements are mandated by the FCC, but the only other notices I've seen are on KKTV and much less obtrusive. I'd like to know why it's necessary to tell someone who's watching a digital feed that a change is coming?

Because the FCC said so. Every engineer I've talked to thinks it's stupid too but that's your government at work.

- Trip

Maybe I'm the last to know but Comcast is now carrying HDNet on channel 701. When did this happen? It's great to have it back!

they tuned it on immediately following mojo's demise (around the first of the year).

they tuned it on immediately following mojo's demise (around the first of the year).

Not at my house! I'm pretty sure it just showed up. For sure the guide wasn't showing HDNet info til now.

Not at my house! I'm pretty sure it just showed up. For sure the guide wasn't showing HDNet info til now.

guide info was missing for quite awhile, but here in pueblo it replaced mojo immediately like i said...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15191067&postcount=68

i just made the switch from cable to sat. so far, i'm happy with picture quality and HD cahnnel selection.

one issue though; i thought all locals were being passed through in HD, but KRDO seems to be MIA. Is this accurate? if so, any news on when it will be added?

thanks,

No idea...would be good if someone could call KRDO Engineering or General Manager to see why they are holding out on DirecTV. Seems like of stupid to me, which wouldn't be new for KRDO. They must want to have the worst PQ of all the COS locals, so that they get watched the least...

krdo needs to get with the program before LOST gets rolling next month; may need to revert to OTA, but will not have DVR capabilities.

wasn't Weinke (sp?) doing a follow up on krdo and DIERCTV?

krdo needs to get with the program before LOST gets rolling next month; may need to revert to OTA, but will not have DVR capabilities.

wasn't Weinke (sp?) doing a follow up on krdo and DIERCTV?

Not to mention, KRDO still doesn't believe that 5.1 surround sound is important for LOST and their other shows. Unbelievable.

Not to mention, KRDO still doesn't believe that 5.1 surround sound is important for LOST and their other shows. Unbelievable.

I have been silently paying attention to the KRDO bashing and made an observation I wanted to share. Did anyone else notice that KRDO is an anagram for DORK? Maybe there's something more significant behind what everyone is observing? :p

Cheers,
Scott

krdo needs to get with the program before LOST gets rolling next month; may need to revert to OTA, but will not have DVR capabilities.

wasn't Weinke (sp?) doing a follow up on krdo and DIERCTV?

Andy said KRDO is still negotiating :mad:

thanks for the update.

anybody have a good email contact at krdo? i want to let them know how i have changed my nightly news viewing habits with DirecTV.

thanks for the update.

anybody have a good email contact at krdo? i want to let them know how i have changed my nightly news viewing habits with DirecTV.

Here's (http://www.krdo.com/Global/story.asp?S=6321990&nav=menu552_9) their contact page.

Speaking of KRDO, my wife likes to watch Entertainment Tonight airing at 6:30PM. They advertise during the show that they are in HD but KRDO does not air it in HD. Does anybody know why not? They have the local news, ABC news in HD and the prime time shows in HD but not this. Mostly curious as I generally do not watch but the wife does.

Many stations only have the ability to pass through live HD, as it sounds like KRDO does (or maybe timeshift by an hour, if ABC does not have a mountain time zone feed). To air ET in HD would require a master control that handles HD, as well as a recording system that will record HD, etc.

- Trip

A bit off topic but thought I'd try. Does anyone have a Pioneer receiver with the MCACC microphone? If so would you be willing to loan me the mic for a half hour? I moved my equipment into a very different room and would like to re-run the MCACC setup but my mic was destroyed by our dog (he's no longer with us in part due to this incident :) ).

Anyway, let me know if you can help. I can pick up the mic or you're welcome to come by my place (N. Carefree and Peterson) and hang out for the ten minutes it takes to run the calibration.

Just noticed that The CW is now being simul-cast on Fox 21-2 on OTA (with HD!).

This should help quite a bit since the CW is the weakest station for OTA (since it is 'low power") and being on 21-2 helps the picture quality quite a bit.

And maybe KKTV ch 11-1 can increase their power to be on-par with the all of the other local channels, is this ever going to happen?

I use a small color TV (that came with an ATSC tuner) outdoors sometimes and KKTV 11-1 is a pain in the ass to get to come in, all of the other stations are perfect.

KTSC Guide Frustration!

Anyone else notice that KTSC programs on 8-1 and guide data do not mesh? I am so sick of trying to record things and getting different shows. I was really annoyed Christmas EVe because there was to be several choral programs on but instead it was Create until someone appeared to flip a switch or something halfway through the evening.

I tried to record two kids shows today and got cooking shows instead.

Does anyone know a local ISF calibrator who can do some touchups on an old Mitsubishi CRT rear-projection HDTV? The guy who did mine in 2004 has moved away, and I talked with a high-end calibrator in Denver who only services sets he sells and one in Colorado Springs who says CRTs take too much time and he has enough business just from new digital HDTVs. I could really use some black level settings and convergence to make the picture better on this old beast. I know Best Buy's Geek Squad supposedly has ISF calibrators now but I doubt any of them were around in the good old CRT days. Leave info here or PM me please.

suzeo99: I've had that happen too, now I just record everything on 8. Maybe after the transition the guide stuff will be corrected. MAYBE!

And I thought "No Info Available" was just channel L8's most popular program!

Today there is an 8-3 plus 18-1,2,3 anyone know anything about that?

KTSC Guide Frustration!

Anyone else notice that KTSC programs on 8-1 and guide data do not mesh? I am so sick of trying to record things and getting different shows. I was really annoyed Christmas EVe because there was to be several choral programs on but instead it was Create until someone appeared to flip a switch or something halfway through the evening.

I tried to record two kids shows today and got cooking shows instead.

No idea what guide you're referring to, but if it's screwed up I would guess it's probably coNcast.

You might try TitanTv or ZapToIt online guides. They're always accurate for 8.1. I use BeyondTV for locals and it's always accurate. Doing it manually is a pain, but better than getting the wrong shows.

The 8.3 you asked about is the Create channel for arts, cooking, etc. Another reason why 8 will never give us any decent HDTV again. Another example of government funding for academia play toys instead of making them learn how to run a business.

You might try TitanTv or ZapToIt online guides. They're always accurate for 8.1. I use BeyondTV for locals and it's always accurate. Doing it manually is a pain, but better than getting the wrong shows.



I use BTV and have found frequent guide problems with 8.1. I will try to start collecting metrics and what shows and times. It's been a while that I recorded something on 8.1 so I can't really remember right now. Last time it happened was twice in one week. I was trying to record one of the home improvement type shows and got cooking shows instead on both occasions.

Scott

I use BTV and have found frequent guide problems with 8.1. I will try to start collecting metrics and what shows and times. It's been a while that I recorded something on 8.1 so I can't really remember right now. Last time it happened was twice in one week. I was trying to record one of the home improvement type shows and got cooking shows instead on both occasions.

Scott

I don't record or watch much on PBS any more either. I think it was earlier last year they were using the same lineup as Wyoming (not Denver or Springs), then changed to a National feed which was nice since it was a lot of HD. Now, they just have a lot of bad SD and with another extra channel will even have less bandwidth. The 18's must have been some more of their testing (they keep showing up in the 26 band also). Anyway, as far as I can tell, BTV's guide has been right for quite some time. I still record Austin City limits, Nova, some mysteries and haven't had a problem. Found a great substitute in the Smithsonian HD channel on Dish.

I don't record or watch much on PBS any more either. I think it was earlier last year they were using the same lineup as Wyoming (not Denver or Springs), then changed to a National feed which was nice since it was a lot of HD. Now, they just have a lot of bad SD and with another extra channel will even have less bandwidth. The 18's must have been some more of their testing (they keep showing up in the 26 band also). Anyway, as far as I can tell, BTV's guide has been right for quite some time. I still record Austin City limits, Nova, some mysteries and haven't had a problem. Found a great substitute in the Smithsonian HD channel on Dish.

It was last week two shows on BTV were supposed to be a home improvement show but were a cooking show. I thought it was somehow related to my reinstallation of BTV. You know from my threads on the BTV forums that was just a week ago.

I have had other guide issues in the past, but can't recall what those were anymore. I will start posting them on the BTV forum so we can track the issue. Or do you think I should post it here since it might be more related to Colorado Springs?

Scott

I will start posting them on the BTV forum so we can track the issue. Or do you think I should post it here since it might be more related to Colorado Springs?

Scott

I'd stick with BTV. You'll get more response. It's probably more a local issue, but in the last beta build, I'm finding some guide problems that didn't exist before. The listing of some new shows as repeats (Flashpoint last Friday and Friday Night Lights this week for example). I was just getting ready to send in a ticket on it.

I just hit two more guide problems with BTV 4.9 for channel 8.1.

Broadcast on 1/12/2009 at 2:30am to 3:00am
Colorado Springs ch 8.1
BTV Guide Says: Ask This Old House, "Painting Kitchen Cabinets: Installing Cabinet Accessories" - Painting kitchen cabinets, installing useful accessories to existing cabinets.
What I got? Developing Writers, A Workshop for High School Teachers

Broadcast on 1/12/2009 at 2:30pm to 3:00pm
Colorado Springs ch 8.1
BTV Guide Says: This Old House, "Weston Project" - Install porous pavers in the driveway; installing window trim; installing the industrial steel staircase
What I got? Lidya's Italian Kitchen.

I will post this on the SnapStream forums as well.

Scott

Scott,

I wonder if the problem is just this one show or a lot of the daytime shows. Everything I record is in primetime. I just changed to 8.1 now, the guide says Antiques Roadshow and that's what is on. All recordings I've done in primetime have been correct.

I checked TitanTV which uses a different service than BTV and they show the same thing (for This Old House). If everyone has the same information, I think the problem is probably KTSC. Call them and find out what the deal is.

I forgot I had this link to Rocky Mountain PBS for KTSC DTV which has the correct shows listed.

http://www.rmpbs.org/content/index.cfm/fuseaction/schedule/contentid/5/navid/5/stationID/2

They must have the same primetime lineup for 8 and 8.1 but different the rest of the day.

I forgot I had this link to Rocky Mountain PBS for KTSC DTV which has the correct shows listed.

http://www.rmpbs.org/content/index.cfm/fuseaction/schedule/contentid/5/navid/5/stationID/2

They must have the same primetime lineup for 8 and 8.1 but different the rest of the day.

What is the recommended solution for this problem? The timing is highly suspect. I was recording my desired shows flawlessly prior to my BTV 4.9 upgrade. I have a hard time believing the guide information would change with the BTV version, but can it?

Scott

What is the recommended solution for this problem? The timing is highly suspect. I was recording my desired shows flawlessly prior to my BTV 4.9 upgrade. I have a hard time believing the guide information would change with the BTV version, but can it?Scott

I called KTSC and they said that their lineup for 8 and 8.1 should be identical, so apparently the services are using the wrong info.

I am getting some different data in build 6158 and 6101 betas regarding the marking of shows new or repeat, but the shows themselves are the same for 8.1. I already sent in issue in to the beta team regarding the status problem. I will send them another specifically on the guide and suggest you do the same (send it to beta, not support). I sent this to support when 4.7 was the current version and they fixed it then. They won't know if it's just a local problem unless we inform them.

I called KTSC and they said that their lineup for 8 and 8.1 should be identical, so apparently the services are using the wrong info.

I am getting some different data in build 6158 and 6101 betas regarding the marking of shows new or repeat, but the shows themselves are the same for 8.1. I already sent in issue in to the beta team regarding the status problem. I will send them another specifically on the guide and suggest you do the same (send it to beta, not support). I sent this to support when 4.7 was the current version and they fixed it then. They won't know if it's just a local problem unless we inform them.

I'm going to admit a pinch of ignorance, but what's the process for contacting the beta team?

Thanks for digging into this.

Scott

I'm going to admit a pinch of ignore, but what's the process for contacting the beta team?

Thanks for digging into this.

Scott

There's a forum for Beta Program with a section called Beta Testing and in there a thread called Beyond TV Issue Reporting that has instructions. Just look down the main forum page.

Also, the engineer at KTSC said he would bring up the issue at a meeting in Denver today. Said he didn't know if it would do any good, but may help.

That's awesome. Thanks. I will post either this afternoon or this weekend.

That's awesome. Thanks. I will post either this afternoon or this weekend.

Just checked the 8.1 schedule on BTV and it is now correct. Don't know if they or the engineer got it fixed, but it's done. That link I gave you also has the lineup for 8.3 (Create) - that's where your 'This Old House' is now. I don't want to mess with my lineup (no interest in Create), so you might want to check that out and rerun your BTV setup to pick up 8.3 if you haven't done so yet.

Another note: the engineer at KTSC said they have enough bandwidth to effectively run HD on 8.1, but need to make some changes to be able to store national feeds for time delay to get more HD on. (I'm not knowledgeable enough to completely fathom what he said, but essentially they are working on it).

Just checked the 8.1 schedule on BTV and it is now correct. Don't know if they or the engineer got it fixed, but it's done. That link I gave you also has the lineup for 8.3 (Create) - that's where your 'This Old House' is now. I don't want to mess with my lineup (no interest in Create), so you might want to check that out and rerun your BTV setup to pick up 8.3 if you haven't done so yet.

Another note: the engineer at KTSC said they have enough bandwidth to effectively run HD on 8.1, but need to make some changes to be able to store national feeds for time delay to get more HD on. (I'm not knowledgeable enough to completely fathom what he said, but essentially they are working on it).

I appreciate all of your help, but I'm having serious headaches with adding channel 8.3 to my TV and BTV. You can read the BTV relevant portions on the BTV forum here: http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/showthread.php?p=306393#post306393

This new channel 8.3 appears on my TV when I manually enter channel 26.3. However, I cannot add this channel to my TV's lineup so I will always need to manually enter it. The only thing I noticed that could cause this is the channel does not identify itself. All other channels identify their call sign. I wonder if Sony requires a call sign to add a channel?

Scott

This new channel 8.3 appears on my TV when I manually enter channel 26.3. However, I cannot add this channel to my TV's lineup so I will always need to manually enter it. The only thing I noticed that could cause this is the channel does not identify itself. All other channels identify their call sign. I wonder if Sony requires a call sign to add a channel?

Scott

I dumped the PSIP data for KTSC and the call signs are there; 8.1 is KTSC-DT, 8.2 is V-Me, and 8.3 is Create.

There are other problems with the PSIP data, though. For instance, it is saying that the PID for the audio stream for 8.1 is 0x33, but the audio data is really contained in PID 0x34. I'm sure this is why I am getting no sound when I go to KTSC-DT OTA on my Dish 612.

I dumped the PSIP data for KTSC and the call signs are there; 8.1 is KTSC-DT, 8.2 is V-Me, and 8.3 is Create.

There are other problems with the PSIP data, though. For instance, it is saying that the PID for the audio stream for 8.1 is 0x33, but the audio data is really contained in PID 0x34. I'm sure this is why I am getting no sound when I go to KTSC-DT OTA on my Dish 612.

Do you have any theories when my HDTV cannot tune to channel 8.3 as it does for 8.1 and 8.2, but instead I can manually enter it on 26.3 and it does not identify the call sign? All other channels can be added to my TV, so it's somehow related to this channel.

Scott

Do you have any theories when my HDTV cannot tune to channel 8.3 as it does for 8.1 and 8.2, but instead I can manually enter it on 26.3 and it does not identify the call sign? All other channels can be added to my TV, so it's somehow related to this channel.

Scott

Scott,
The Create channel is actually 26.3 which is what your TV is displaying apparently. Mine shows 8.3 for it (and I can't even manually tune 26.3). One of the engineer types on here may be able to explain it. By the way, I sent in a ticket to BTV support about the addition of 8.3 to the lineup. My guess is we're not the only ones in the country with this problem.


I dumped the PSIP data for KTSC and the call signs are there; 8.1 is KTSC-DT, 8.2 is V-Me, and 8.3 is Create.

There are other problems with the PSIP data, though. For instance, it is saying that the PID for the audio stream for 8.1 is 0x33, but the audio data is really contained in PID 0x34. I'm sure this is why I am getting no sound when I go to KTSC-DT OTA on my Dish 612.

Gato,
Since Dish doesn't have HD locals yet, I guess you're talking about the ATSC antennae feed on your 612? Anyway, I get 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3 OTA perfectly on my HDTV with no sound problems. The problem isn't with the signal.

Since Dish doesn't have HD locals yet, I guess you're talking about the ATSC antennae feed on your 612? Anyway, I get 8.1, 8.2 and 8.3 OTA perfectly on my HDTV with no sound problems. The problem isn't with the signal.

Yes, this is using the ATSC antenna.

It is possible in software to work around some errors in PSIP data, so different systems are likely to behave differently. In this case, for example, your TV probably notices that there are no packets coming in on the specified PID and falls back to searching for the first PID larger than the video PID that contains audio data. I am able to play KTSC using mplayer on my PC, by overriding the audio PID.

Workarounds like this are nice to have, but are suboptimal. You might someday start getting audio in the wrong language, for instance.

So, I would assert that the problem _is_ in the signal, but some equipment might work anyhow. I am sure they will get around to fixing this; they seem to be in a state of flux at the moment.

Just noticed that The CW is now being simul-cast on Fox 21-2 on OTA (with HD!).

This should help quite a bit since the CW is the weakest station for OTA (since it is 'low power") and being on 21-2 helps the picture quality quite a bit.

And maybe KKTV ch 11-1 can increase their power to be on-par with the all of the other local channels, is this ever going to happen?

I use a small color TV (that came with an ATSC tuner) outdoors sometimes and KKTV 11-1 is a pain in the ass to get to come in, all of the other stations are perfect.

I noticed too, but didn't check during prime time. So both channels are on HD at the same time? Yuck. Hopefully it will get its own channel soon. That was the thought a while back, that when the stations took off the analog feed that they would get a digital feed for CW.

Just thought I would add this about Comcast HD programming...just came back from Albuquerque where I set up my brothers new Sony TV for him. Got him to upgrade his Comcast package and they offer CW HD, MyTV HD, CNN HD, Travel HD, AMC HD, MGM HD, Fox News HD, Toon Disney HD, Cartoon Network HD, E HD, ESPN News HD, Speed HD and FX HD. That is 13 more HD channels and I am paying the same price!!!

As for the programming guide for PBS, I am having the same problem with my Comcast DVR, haven't seen an episode of This Old House in over 2 months.

precisely the reason i recently ditched comcast for directv...

krdo needs to get with the program before LOST gets rolling next month; may need to revert to OTA, but will not have DVR capabilities.

wasn't Weinke (sp?) doing a follow up on krdo and DIERCTV?

No HD Lost tonight on DirecTV :mad:

had to go buy an antenna awhile ago...

No HD Lost tonight on DirecTV :mad:

KRDO seriously has their heads stuck up in a very dark, smelly place. They are the only ones not on DirecTV HD locals, and the only ones not passing 5.1 surround sound. They must not really care if anyone watches them.

I have been meaning to call them when I get some available time Monday-Friday between 8:00 and 5:00, but I think everyone on this board who is interested should call them about both issues so they realize we do notice, and do care. I will probably tell them I will 100% avoid watching their local news until they improve their HD service.

Please call if you're concerned about this -
Tim Larson, General Manager 632-1515
Joe Reed, Chief Engineer 575-6213

and report back here! I know they will say budget problems or whatever, but that only works for so many years...

talked w/Larson, he indicated that they were expecting to have the contract done w/Directv by the 1st of the year. he's hoping his boss will have the agreement within the next couple of weeks. i didn't ask about 5.1, was saving that question for Reed, but couldn't get through to him.

talked w/Larson, he indicated that they were expecting to have the contract done w/Directv by the 1st of the year. he's hoping his boss will have the agreement within the next couple of weeks. i didn't ask about 5.1, was saving that question for Reed, but couldn't get through to him.

Thanks for the update.

KKTV's practice of tying in DTV transition notices with a blurb for Comcast cable ("With Comcast cable, your transition is taken care of") is just plain wrong. :mad:

I dumped the PSIP data for KTSC and the call signs are there; 8.1 is KTSC-DT, 8.2 is V-Me, and 8.3 is Create.

There are other problems with the PSIP data, though. For instance, it is saying that the PID for the audio stream for 8.1 is 0x33, but the audio data is really contained in PID 0x34. I'm sure this is why I am getting no sound when I go to KTSC-DT OTA on my Dish 612.

Just an update, for those who care. KTSC has moved its audio stream(s) back to the PID(s) specified in the PSIP data.

If a KTSC engineer is reading this: Thanks for the correction.

talked w/Larson, he indicated that they were expecting to have the contract done w/Directv by the 1st of the year. he's hoping his boss will have the agreement within the next couple of weeks. i didn't ask about 5.1, was saving that question for Reed, but couldn't get through to him.

Just got an email from D* informing me that since they now provide the COS locals in HD they are going to shut off my west coast DNS HDs on Feb 23rd as required by "network agreements". I guess my long-time run with DNS (since '95) has finally run its coarse. Without the HDs, I have no need for the subscription. I favor the west coast feeds over the locals because they don't forget to switch to HD coming out of commercial and they don't switch to SD every time they feel the need to notify us that they're amateurs! Besides, LA had their news in HD before KRDO and they didn't squeeze or stretch or mangle every SD video in the process.

Anyhow, I wonder if that date is driven by the KRDO contract?

This notice appeared as a crawl during KKTV's 5:30 newscast, trying not to paraphrase too much"

"KKTV 11, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, intends to terminate analog broadcasts on 2/17/09..." Continued w/ verbiage about cable/sat/ant, the usual.

Didn't see other regular announcements on this. Crawl would seem to indicate full speed ahead and dam the Congress to drown in their own beer.

It's beleive it when you see it time...

This notice appeared as a crawl during KKTV's 5:30 newscast, trying not to paraphrase too much"

"KKTV 11, Colorado Springs/Pueblo, intends to terminate analog broadcasts on 2/17/09..." Continued w/ verbiage about cable/sat/ant, the usual.

Didn't see other regular announcements on this. Crawl would seem to indicate full speed ahead and dam the Congress to drown in their own beer.

It's beleive it when you see it time...

I wonder if KRDO will go all digital on the 17th as well. That might just solve our DirecTV problem.

If I understand the DTV extension bill, operators don't have to wait, they can turn off their analog signal anytime.

Hey Eddie, thanks for the recent updates. Have you heard anything further from KRDO? I've emailed Tim Larson and Joe Reed but haven't gotten a reply...

Doug Scott

i haven't tried to contact them again since that day. if nothing happens by the end of this week, i'll call again. surprisingly, Larson was easy to get in touch w/by phone.

Got a call back from Joe Reed, the chief engineer-

1) has no set date for going onto DirecTV HD
2) has nothing budgeted and no date for going to 5.1 surround sound

Isn't that exciting? I know I don't understand exactly what commmercial equipment is required to PASS THROUGH the Dolby 5.1 signal that comes from ABC to KRDO, but do they really need to decode and re-encode?

You would think if you worked at the station, you would want to make it the best in town, not the worst in town. I'm sure there are financial restrictions from the GM/owners too that keep them cheap. But at least they have sort of blurry local news in HD.
:mad:

I left messages for Larson 7 days apart, but no call back.

Hey all, I searched the thread somewhat, and never found any single "conclusive" post so to speak....I am wondering if anyone in the Springs is able to receive Denver based OTA digital channels via antenna? I imagine Monument hill plays havoc on receiving any Denver based signals, but just want to confirm one way or the other.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

Thanks for the help!

Got a call back from Joe Reed, the chief engineer-

1) has no set date for going onto DirecTV HD
2) has nothing budgeted and no date for going to 5.1 surround sound

Isn't that exciting? I know I don't understand exactly what commmercial equipment is required to PASS THROUGH the Dolby 5.1 signal that comes from ABC to KRDO, but do they really need to decode and re-encode?

You would think if you worked at the station, you would want to make it the best in town, not the worst in town. I'm sure there are financial restrictions from the GM/owners too that keep them cheap. But at least they have sort of blurry local news in HD.
:mad:

I left messages for Larson 7 days apart, but no call back.

Thanks for the update. Wonder what will happen when they shut off their analog signal?

Thanks for the update. Wonder what will happen when they shut off their analog signal?

the digital conversion date must be significantly impacting krdo's bargaining position w/directv. when i spoke w/Larson, he indicated his boss was holding out for more $$$. i would think that when the analog signal is killed, we will have to get the digital one through directv...

Hey all, I searched the thread somewhat, and never found any single "conclusive" post so to speak....I am wondering if anyone in the Springs is able to receive Denver based OTA digital channels via antenna? I imagine Monument hill plays havoc on receiving any Denver based signals, but just want to confirm one way or the other.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

Thanks for the help!

I've read on multiple occassions that it's simply not possible.

My solution: I use an OTA antenna for COS HD locals and I "moved" my physical address to a Denver apartment building with Dish network so I get Denver locals via satellite. COS is inside the area covered by the spot beam that Denver locals use, so it works out quite well. I wouldn't need to do this if the COS locals could get their act together, but I'm frankly tired of not being able to enjoy true HD programming every time they screw up the HD feed or need to air a weather warning to tell us it's raining near Kansas.

...i would think that when the analog signal is killed, we will have to get the digital one through directv...

That's what I'm hoping for. Wonder if we might just lose KRDO altogether if there's no agreement in place for retransmission of their digital signal.

I've read on multiple occassions that it's simply not possible.

My solution: I use an OTA antenna for COS HD locals and I "moved" my physical address to a Denver apartment building with Dish network so I get Denver locals via satellite. COS is inside the area covered by the spot beam that Denver locals use, so it works out quite well. I wouldn't need to do this if the COS locals could get their act together, but I'm frankly tired of not being able to enjoy true HD programming every time they screw up the HD feed or need to air a weather warning to tell us it's raining near Kansas.

Thanks for the reply, definitely appreciate the info!

...or need to air a weather warning to tell us it's raining near Kansas.

Let's not forget that they crank the volume of said warning to OH MY GOD DID THEY JUST BLOW OUT MY SPEAKERS volume.

Hey all, I searched the thread somewhat, and never found any single "conclusive" post so to speak....I am wondering if anyone in the Springs is able to receive Denver based OTA digital channels via antenna? I imagine Monument hill plays havoc on receiving any Denver based signals, but just want to confirm one way or the other.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

Thanks for the help!

I'm a major antenna n00b and I'm looking to do the same as you. I live in Briargate and want to put an antenna in the attic. I really only care about the locals so we don't share in ambitions for Denver stations. Let us know how that antenna works in your attic. I read the specs. It says it's good for the higher VHF. Wouldn't you loose some of the lower channels like 5.1 with that antenna?

Scott

Wouldn't you loose some of the lower channels like 5.1 with that antenna?

Scott

Channel 5-1 is on physical channel 42.

- Trip

Wonder if we might just lose KRDO altogether if there's no agreement in place for retransmission of their digital signal.

krdo management would be brain-dead to allow that to happen. we'll find out soon enough...

Channel 5-1 is on physical channel 42.

- Trip

Oh boy, how little I don't know about ATSC. So is that antenna good for all ATSC broadcasts? I know nothing about antennas and when I read up on it to get one for our attic I give up. Right now we have bunny ears in a first floor window and we loose channels during heavy snow or fog. So I'm hoping a better antenna higher in the house will take care of it.

Scott

Oh boy, how little I don't know about ATSC. So is that antenna good for all ATSC broadcasts? I know nothing about antennas and when I read up on it to get one for our attic I give up. Right now we have bunny ears in a first floor window and we loose channels during heavy snow or fog. So I'm hoping a better antenna higher in the house will take care of it.

Scott

While there are some ATSC broadcasts on channels 2-6, they are few and far between. Most stations (wisely) chose to stay away from 2-6 for digital operation.

I'm not familiar with that specific antenna, but an antenna designed for 7-51 should be good in most areas. You might want to wait for someone local to give you advice on that rather than relying on my word, as someone in your area might know more about the specifics of it than I do. :)

- Trip

digital conversion date extended to June = krdo bargaining position gains some strength...

bummer.

digital conversion date extended to June = krdo bargaining position gains some strength...

bummer.

Maybe not. Unless something's changed in the bill, there's no provision preventing stations from making the change at their own volition. So, a lot of stations are going to dump their analog anyway because of the cost. Anyone know which locals might be doing that?

Maybe not. Unless something's changed in the bill, there's no provision preventing stations from making the change at their own volition. So, a lot of stations are going to dump their analog anyway because of the cost. Anyone know which locals might be doing that?

I have a list.

http://www.rabbitears.info/termlist.php

So far, only KKTV has filed.

- Trip

I remain puzzled by why the affiliates Colorado Springs for CBS, NBC, and Fox seemed to have reached an agreement quickly with DirecTV, but KRDO happens to have a situation so special or different that an agreement for HD broadcast just can not be reached. My last conversation with DirecTV a week ago basically ended with the suggestion to push back on KRDO again. In all honesty, I wish a clear answer could be released by one of the sides on what the actual delay is, and where pressure from the consumer really should be placed. To still not have KRDO in HD, even though it has been broadcast in HD over air and through Comcast for a very long time, is really concerning and an honest, complete and accurate answer is needed from one of the sides.

Hey all, I searched the thread somewhat, and never found any single "conclusive" post so to speak....I am wondering if anyone in the Springs is able to receive Denver based OTA digital channels via antenna? I imagine Monument hill plays havoc on receiving any Denver based signals, but just want to confirm one way or the other.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

Thanks for the help!

Well, technically I am in the Springs (outside city limits) and I can get the Denver stations over the air, after they relocated to Lookout Mountain. Since I am near the top of Palmer Divide, I am not blocked by Monument Hill, but TvFool does indicate a 2-edge path. For Briargate, attic antenna is probably no chance, and a roof top antenna is probably very little chance, but post-transition transmission power increases might increase the probability of success. Check TVFool.com and see what it tells you.

I just watched a couple of CBS shows I recorded on Monday: Big Bang Theory and 2 1/2 Men. Both shows were SD (4:3) and the last 15 min. or so of 2 1/2 Men lost the voice track (laugh track and backgrounds were audible). They were OTA broadcasts.

Anyone else notice this?

I just watched a couple of CBS shows I recorded on Monday: Big Bang Theory and 2 1/2 Men. Both shows were SD (4:3) and the last 15 min. or so of 2 1/2 Men lost the voice track (laugh track and backgrounds were audible). They were OTA broadcasts.

Anyone else notice this?

I had the same problem with 2 1/2 Men - glad it wasn't my new TiVo unit!

Rich

Earlier in the night, the digital channel was having massive signal problems earlier, especially during Jeopardy. Then when HIMYM started at 7pm, it went to SD. I suspect they just switched to SD so they could just deliver the content by any means necessary.

Thanks for the confirmations. Didn't think it was my recorder. Only bad part about not watching live - couldn't switch to analog. Have to record these two though or you miss Lorre's little missives at the end.

For those who may be interested, Dish Network announced that HD locals for Colorado Springs will go live on Feb. 25th. I have Dish Network but get locals ota, thought some people would like to know.

Roy

I did get an email response from Larson - same basic party line: they do not know when DirecTV will start carrying KRDO in HD. He said to contact DirecTV because they need to negotiate the contract.

I called DirecTV and the customer service person took my info and said she'd pass on my complaint because "that's how we get things done". So, maybe if everyone called DirecTV and complained we might get action faster: 1-800-494-4388

Doug Scott

IMO, directv is not the problem. we just need to look at the other locals being carried to figura that out. The problem is krdo, they are trying to negotiate more $ than the other stations are currently receiving.

again, that is my take on the situation.

For those who may be interested, Dish Network announced that HD locals for Colorado Springs will go live on Feb. 25th. I have Dish Network but get locals ota but thought some people would like to know.

Roy

it will be interesting to see if krdo holds out with dish as well.

I'm a major antenna n00b and I'm looking to do the same as you. I live in Briargate and want to put an antenna in the attic. I really only care about the locals so we don't share in ambitions for Denver stations. Let us know how that antenna works in your attic. I read the specs. It says it's good for the higher VHF. Wouldn't you loose some of the lower channels like 5.1 with that antenna?

Scott

Just a reminder, HOA's can not preclude installation of exterior OTA antennas, DTH satellite antennas, and/or MMDS wireless internet antennas (typically those flat diamond shape antennas) per FCC regulations. There are some limits and the HOA can ask for installation mods or screening to minimize visual impacts, but they can not be onerous or expensive to the point where it prevents you from installing the antenna. Oh yeah, the rule states it only applies to antennes with a height of less than 12 feet above the roof ridgeline. Higher than that, and things become more complicated. I'm battling an HOA where I have a rental property on this matter - their covenant on banning outdoor antennas is unenforcible. I sent them model/proposed CC&R text which complies with FCC rules on exterior antennas, we'll see what they say. If anyone wants details, let me know.

Oh yeah, it might be helpful to include a couple of FCC links. Here they are:

www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/consumerdish
www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard

KRDO really is the dumbest station in town. They think their multicasted, stereo HD signal is worth more than the other stations here that do a better job. Just pass through the stupid 5.1 sound and sign the contract with DirecTV like everyone else.

When I was leaving voice mails for KRDO about these two questions, I almost threatened to get my LOST shows via torrents instead.

KRDO really is the dumbest station in town.

R is pronounced "dil"

Thanks for the update regarding local channels on Dishnetwork. I currently get the locals OTA with Dish's VIP 622 but can only receive one OTA channel at a time. This will allow me to record multiple local shows in HD at the same time. I am curious to see if KRDO is included.

I remain puzzled by why the affiliates Colorado Springs for CBS, NBC, and Fox seemed to have reached an agreement quickly with DirecTV, but KRDO happens to have a situation so special or different that an agreement for HD broadcast just can not be reached. My last conversation with DirecTV a week ago basically ended with the suggestion to push back on KRDO again. In all honesty, I wish a clear answer could be released by one of the sides on what the actual delay is, and where pressure from the consumer really should be placed. To still not have KRDO in HD, even though it has been broadcast in HD over air and through Comcast for a very long time, is really concerning and an honest, complete and accurate answer is needed from one of the sides.

I bet it has something to do with the national parent and not about the local company. We should see if ABC is the problem nationally.

This may be the dumbest question ever, but for the longest time now my channel 708 on Comcast (KTSC) has been coming through in SD. Is this a known problem?

I bet it has something to do with the national parent and not about the local company. We should see if ABC is the problem nationally.

good point, especially since the local GM says it is "his boss" that is handling the negotiations.

I bet it has something to do with the national parent and not about the local company. We should see if ABC is the problem nationally.

KRDO is owned by News, Press & Gazette:

http://www.npgco.com/npgco/

I bet it has something to do with the national parent and not about the local company. We should see if ABC is the problem nationally.

i checked kvia in el paso, owned/operated by npgco. see the following link for what el pasoans are saying about npgco:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15110106&postcount=1042

i checked kvia in el paso, owned/operated by npgco. see the following link for what el pasoans are saying about npgco:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15110106&postcount=1042

Good find. Looks like NPG doesn't like to play with D*. Either that, or D* forgot to contact NPG regarding digital retransmission :)

This may be the dumbest question ever, but for the longest time now my channel 708 on Comcast (KTSC) has been coming through in SD. Is this a known problem?

Its not, there is just next to nothing on KTSC in HD. When they were running the national feed, it was pretty much all HD.

I need to split my OTA 7 ways within the house. For now I'm using rabbit ears but I plan to put a better antenna in the attic once I figure out which one to buy. We live on the south side of Briargate with line of site visibility to Cheyenne Mountain. I'm not trying to hit any stations that are far away, just whatever is in the area. Would an 8 way splitter be adequate or do I need some amplification because of the number of runs?

Here's what I'm considering, but I don't really know very much.
http://www.amazon.com/Bi-Directional-Amplifier-Splitter-Booster-Passive/dp/B000WDR94U/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234286805&sr=8-2

Also, do I need to cap off unused connections?

I need to split my OTA 7 ways within the house. For now I'm using rabbit ears but I plan to put a better antenna in the attic once I figure out which one to buy. We live on the south side of Briargate with line of site visibility to Cheyenne Mountain. I'm not trying to hit any stations that are far away, just whatever is in the area. Would an 8 way splitter be adequate or do I need some amplification because of the number of runs?

Here's what I'm considering, but I don't really know very much.
http://www.amazon.com/Bi-Directional-Amplifier-Splitter-Booster-Passive/dp/B000WDR94U/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1234286805&sr=8-2

Also, do I need to cap off unused connections?

I've got mine split 7 times (from a rooftop antennae). I have a mast mounted Channel Master 34db amp (with just one outlet). Then I use splitters where necessary rather than running as much as cable the one you're looking at would need. Each time you split the signal you lose 3db. A lot of it depends on how strong your original signal is (if it's real strong, you may not want an amp at all, but I would think 7 splits would require something along the way). I would think yours would be stronger since I'm in Pueblo, but with my setup I get everything perfectly on every tuner (100% signal strenght on KOAA, KTSC, KRDO, about 85-87 on Fox and 81-82 on KKTV - readings from my Dish 722 DVR - on my pc tuners I get all 98-100).

If you mean capping the outlets, I usually do just to protect them. I always cap any open cable to eliminate interference. You might want to buy locally if possible - I got my amp at Wintronics which is a wholesale shop here that deals mainly with contractors and they are always a lot of help. Also gives you a chance to try something and exchange easily if it doesn't work. Also, they are a lot cheaper than Radio Shack and most retailers - you'll also get better quality splitters which is very important (the Gemini type crap won't cut it).

I've got mine split 7 times (from a rooftop antennae). I have a mast mounted Channel Master 34db amp (with just one outlet). Then I use splitters where necessary rather than running as much as cable the one you're looking at would need. Each time you split the signal you lose 3db. A lot of it depends on how strong your original signal is (if it's real strong, you may not want an amp at all, but I would think 7 splits would require something along the way). I would think yours would be stronger since I'm in Pueblo, but with my setup I get everything perfectly on every tuner (100% signal strenght on KOAA, KTSC, KRDO, about 85-87 on Fox and 81-82 on KKTV - readings from my Dish 722 DVR - on my pc tuners I get all 98-100).

If you mean capping the outlets, I usually do just to protect them. I always cap any open cable to eliminate interference. You might want to buy locally if possible - I got my amp at Wintronics which is a wholesale shop here that deals mainly with contractors and they are always a lot of help. Also gives you a chance to try something and exchange easily if it doesn't work. Also, they are a lot cheaper than Radio Shack and most retailers - you'll also get better quality splitters which is very important (the Gemini type crap won't cut it).

Do you think it's wiser for me to first use a splitter and then add a separate amp later if necessary?

I would love to buy locally but I don't know of any good stores around town. It's hard to find those places and we're fairly new to the area. If someone here knows of a good one in town I'll certainly check it out. I prefer buying locally too, if it's a good place that is.

Scott

Do you think it's wiser for me to first use a splitter and then add a separate amp later if necessary?

I would love to buy locally but I don't know of any good stores around town. It's hard to find those places and we're fairly new to the area. If someone here knows of a good one in town I'll certainly check it out. I prefer buying locally too, if it's a good place that is.

Scott

Try Centennial Electronics on Bijou.

KOAA-DT new bug a visual oxymoron?

KOAA-DT has replaced their blue side bars when they show SD 4x3 material. They now have black bars and a semitransparent bug in the lower left corner with a peacock logo and large "HD" lettering.

Given that they only show this bug when they are not broadcasting HD material, isn't that a little misleading?:)

Roy

Is 8.3 Create off air this morning or did my HD HomeRun update blow away my ability to receive this channel?

Is 8.3 Create off air this morning or did my HD HomeRun update blow away my ability to receive this channel?

Just turned my TV on and it's there (9:06am)

Just turned my TV on and it's there (9:06am)

I just checked and it's online. It must have been offline and the timing was coincident with my software and firmware update this morning.

Does anyone know which of our local analog stations will turn off their switch on Tuesday? Since it's voluntary now, I don't know who wants to spend the extra money to keep it on.

Does anyone know which of our local analog stations will turn off their switch on Tuesday? Since it's voluntary now, I don't know who wants to spend the extra money to keep it on.

The last I saw KKTV was the only local that applied, but now the FCC is stopping stations in a lot of markets from dropping the analog - I didn't see ours listed.

I wouldn't care what they do since it doesn't affect me in any way except now we have to continue putting up with KOAA's asinine notices that are really disrupting and irritating. Real good marketing strategy when you're the lowest rated of the major networks - piss off the viewers you have left.

All Colo Spgs stations will continue analog broadcast until June. Here is a link to a Gazette blog about it: Springs TV Talk (http://springstvtalk.blogspot.com/)

Roy

The last I saw KKTV was the only local that applied, but now the FCC is stopping stations in a lot of markets from dropping the analog - I didn't see ours listed.

I wouldn't care what they do since it doesn't affect me in any way except now we have to continue putting up with KOAA's asinine notices that are really disrupting and irritating. Real good marketing strategy when you're the lowest rated of the major networks - piss off the viewers you have left.

Oh great, now we get crawlers on KKTV saying they are NOT eliminating their analog signal on Feb 17. Sheesh.

Hey all, I searched the thread somewhat, and never found any single "conclusive" post so to speak....I am wondering if anyone in the Springs is able to receive Denver based OTA digital channels via antenna? I imagine Monument hill plays havoc on receiving any Denver based signals, but just want to confirm one way or the other.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

Thanks for the help!

Did you purchase this antenna? I'm curious how well it works in your attic, and what signal strengths you are receiving.

Hello fellow Colorado Springsians... I am new to the HD world and just recently purchased an hdtv a couple months ago. I have Comcast basic but watch OTA HD content. Lately I've noticed that not as near as many shows are being broadcasted in HD. It seemed like when I first got my tv there were a quite a bit of HD shows on the networks: movies, tv series, football, letterman, leno etc... lately I've been noticing shows that were in HD are not anymore. Is this a comcast thing? Or a satellite thing? Or a network thing?? I am getting Comcast HD next week so maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious. Also, those of you who have Comcast HD how is it??

Hello fellow Colorado Springsians... I am new to the HD world and just recently purchased an hdtv a couple months ago. I have Comcast basic but watch OTA HD content. Lately I've noticed that not as near as many shows are being broadcasted in HD. It seemed like when I first got my tv there were a quite a bit of HD shows on the networks: movies, tv series, football, letterman, leno etc... lately I've been noticing shows that were in HD are not anymore. Is this a comcast thing? Or a satellite thing? Or a network thing?? I am getting Comcast HD next week so maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm still curious. Also, those of you who have Comcast HD how is it??
Most prime-time network programming is in HD except for some reality shows or newsmagazines. Also most sports is in HD, Leno, Letterman, Today Show, nightly news, etc. If you post which shows appear not to be HD to you, readers on this board can reply and if those shows are actually in HD there may be a problem with your setup.

Thanks TallGuy for your assessments of Colo Spgs HD. :)
COLO. SPRINGS HD:
1.0 NBC KOAA looks great!
Multicasting:
0.9 FOX KXRM
0.9 CBS KKTV
0.7 ABC KRDO No DD5.1!
0.3 PBS KTSC lots of SD
=3.8 HD stations

How sad PBS (my most watched TV network) is so far behind the eight ball in HD TV. Thank goodness I still have an analog TV. :D

Most prime-time network programming is in HD except for some reality shows or newsmagazines. Also most sports is in HD, Leno, Letterman, Today Show, nightly news, etc. If you post which shows appear not to be HD to you, readers on this board can reply and if those shows are actually in HD there may be a problem with your setup.

hmm Thats weird... It seemed like nearly every prime-time show and sports just completely stopped broadcasting in HD. 20/20, Cops, Letterman, Leno, golf, nascar etc.. It sounds like it was a problem with my setup however I did get some shows in HD like Conan. Anyways, I have comcast HD now so it's not a problem. I was just wondering if other people were experiencing this but seems like it must of been my setup...

I am enjoying Comcast HD, most of the HD Content looks really good. The Palladia and hdnet channel are a pleasant suprise. Last night I watched one of the last performances of James Brown on Palladia and it looked amazing... Also on the HDnet channel they showed Strikeforce MMA at the Broomfield Event Center. Both had amazing PQ. I thought Comcast carried CNNHD which they don't, that was kinda disappointing. I hooked a toslink optical cable into my HD box to get the Dolby Digital however I almost prefer the Dolby Pro Logic TV mode better on my receiver... DD sounds a little soft and harder to hear the dialogue. Any suggestions?

For those who may be interested, Dish Network announced that HD locals for Colorado Springs will go live on Feb. 25th. I have Dish Network but get locals ota, thought some people would like to know.

Roy


I checked this morning before I left for work and no local HD channels on Dish. Does anyone know if there's been a change to the date? I'll probably still watch the local HD via OTA, but it would be nice to have the option.

I checked this morning before I left for work and no local HD channels on Dish. Does anyone know if there's been a change to the date? I'll probably still watch the local HD via OTA, but it would be nice to have the option.

I got the info from the Dish Network Forum at Satteliteguys.us. They tend to do uplinks like this in the afternoon., so as far as I know, it is still on track.

Roy
Here is a link to the discussion. It is stated in the 10th post and in the 2nd thumbnail in the 11th post:
Satellite Guys (http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/163749-satelliteguys-live-recap-dish-retailer-chat-2-4-09-a.html)

I got the info from the Dish Network Forum at Satteliteguys.us. They tend to do uplinks like this in the afternoon., so as far as I know, it is still on track.

Roy
Here is a link to the discussion. It is stated in the 10th post and in the 2nd thumbnail in the 11th post:
Satellite Guys (http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/163749-satelliteguys-live-recap-dish-retailer-chat-2-4-09-a.html)

Wonder if KRDO/NP&G will play nice with E*?

I've stopped watching them since they are the only major network affiliate in town that doesn't allow D* to broadcast their digital signal.

What lightning protection products do you recommend for our ATSC antennas? I'm assuming they can cause signal loss and some are more effective than others. Do any come with warranties if protected equipment is blown like you find with surge suppressors?

Scott

New station - KVSN 48.1 - Univision - went on the air this morning.

Dish's web site is now indicating that all four Colorado Springs networks are available in HD. Although not actually true, it may well be the case later today once the weekly uplinks are done.

Bob Dinkel

Woodland Park

appreciate the update, i've been wondering about locals on dish.

Colorado Springs HD locals are now on Dish. For those of us in Teller County, or even Monument, the signal is rather weak. Next week I am installing a 30" dedicated dish for sat 129 to improve the signal and avoid rain/snow dropouts.

to be clear, does this include krdo in hd?

to be clear, does this include krdo in hd?

Yes. Includes KRDO. ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox all in HD.:)

Yes. Includes KRDO. ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox all in HD.:)

How about PBS? Is it's HD signal available on Dish or DirecTV?

How about PBS? Is it's HD signal available on Dish or DirecTV?

Not on Dish.

What the heck is the point of 'getting' HD locals via satcasters, with no PBS or KRDO?

Heck, put up an antenna and get all five HD locals for FREE and tell them to shove off.

Hey guys, it's been a while since I checked in. Question about PBS/KTSC ch.8 - are they showing any actual HD broadcasts these days OTA? Used to be that I got most of their primetime stuff in actual HD on my DirecTV HD Tivo, but now everything seemed to be SD (though still digital). Is that me or did they change something? If the latter, why?

Thanks,
Sean

What the heck is the point of 'getting' HD locals via satcasters, with no PBS or KRDO?

Heck, put up an antenna and get all five HD locals for FREE and tell them to shove off.

Oh I agree, I was just curious given the apparent lack of KTSC HD programming OTA from Tall Guys running scorecard. (0.3 for PBS? Shameful). The thing that annoys me about Ch 8 is from what I have heard they will not have a UHF HD transmission from Cheyenne Mtn. That probably means a Hi Band VHF antenna pointed towards Pueblo. :mad: I live in a Briargate Apt complex (with clear line of sight to the South from my 2nd floor unit). I don't think Mgmt will be too happy with the VHF antenna, UHF would be no problem. Also, sometimes Rocky Mtn selection of PBS programming drives me nuts. How many Antique Roadshows do we need to see? A friend in ND has better PBS programming than we do here. Sheesh. Wish I could get the national feed from a C/Ku-Band satellite link (no room for a large antenna though :D )

Cheers

What about the channel 32 PBS broadcast from Springs? (I'm in Pueblo and I get their analog - weak, but watchable). I really haven't paid much attention to it for some time, but remember the programming was different than KTSC. Curious if they're going to keep it as a low-power analog or what?

I'm even wondering about KTSC's signal here in Pueblo. My antennae is pointed at a 90 degree angle from the station, but probably should get it since it's that close anyway (I'm assuming now my signal is coming from Cheyenne Mountain like the rest).

What about the channel 32 PBS broadcast from Springs? (I'm in Pueblo and I get their analog - weak, but watchable). I really haven't paid much attention to it for some time, but remember the programming was different than KTSC. Curious if they're going to keep it as a low-power analog or what?

I'm even wondering about KTSC's signal here in Pueblo. My antennae is pointed at a 90 degree angle from the station, but probably should get it since it's that close anyway (I'm assuming now my signal is coming from Cheyenne Mountain like the rest).

Channel 32 originates from KBDI in Broomfield/Boulder on translater K32EO. I'm not sure if it will stay digital after June 17 or go off the air.

On KTSC, according to the FCC data base KTSC uses Ch 8/26 transmitters on Cheyenne Mtn and Ch 8 in Pueblo (38° 22' 25.00" N 104° 33' 27.00" W, same tower as KOAA it seems). Does not appear that Ch 26 will be used for anything post DTV conversion. That transmitter will still be up on Cheyenne Mtn, but there's nothing to suggest on the KTSC website that it will still be used post June 17 (its all Ch 8.1 - :mad: ). I sent a note off to KTSC to see what, if anything, they have to say about their channels and transmitter locations (will they be using Cheyenne Mtn and the Pueblo transmitters? If so, will both transmissions be on 8.1? Will they keep a UHF transmission (Ch 26)? We'll see what they say. I'll post any responses here in the forum.

Cheers

KTSC uses Ch 8/26 transmitters on Cheyenne Mtn and Ch 8 in Pueblo (38° 22' 25.00" N 104° 33' 27.00" W, same tower as KOAA it seems). Does not appear that Ch 26 will be used for anything post DTV conversion. That transmitter will still be up on Cheyenne Mtn, but there's nothing to suggest on the KTSC website that it will still be used post June 17

So I currently get KTSC (8-1) from Cheyenne Mnt with a signal strength in the 90s...
Post June 17, this will go away and KTSC will only broadcast from Pueblo? This seems rather short sighted and a sure way to reduce viewers for KTSC. I hope they reconsider this plan.

I just wish they would bring back the National PBS Feed that we had for a while. That gave us much more HD content.

So I currently get KTSC (8-1) from Cheyenne Mnt with a signal strength in the 90s...
Post June 17, this will go away and KTSC will only broadcast from Pueblo? This seems rather short sighted and a sure way to reduce viewers for KTSC. I hope they reconsider this plan.

I just wish they would bring back the National PBS Feed that we had for a while. That gave us much more HD content.

I agree 100%. Getting the National PBS feed (even if over satellite) would be so much better than what we get over Rocky Mtn PBS, particularly since I think we're not getting all the HD programming the national feed provides. I remember the days when KTSC was not part of RMPBS. Often their programming was much better than KRMA. Remember the days when PBS showed a full line up of quality programming: Mystery, American Experience, Nova, Nature, Masterpiece Theater, Great Performances and other special programs. All were marquis programs, now look at the schedule. Sad isn't it. :(

As for the future, I'm hoping to get some straight answers on RMPBS OTA DTV plans soon. It would be really annoying to hear that their only OTA DTV signal for Colo Spgs will originate as Ch 8.1 from Pueblo. Instead of one discreet UHF antenna here in my appartment pointed at Cheyenne Mtn, I might need a VHF and UHF antenna aimed in seperate directions (if I can even see the Pueblo transmitter) which could raise the management ire. :mad: But then Ch 11 will be VHF too. *sigh* At least it will be on Cheyenne Mtn and I suspect a UHF antenna will give me enough signal. More to follow as I hear it.

Cheers

What the heck is the point of 'getting' HD locals via satcasters, with no PBS or KRDO?

Heck, put up an antenna and get all five HD locals for FREE and tell them to shove off.\

KRDO is available in HD on Dish, now.

I am located in Briargate, and was considering the following antenna for attic placement: http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=C4

I live in Briargate and yesterday put that antenna in my attic. All signals in the 90s. I'm not done making sure it's rotated just right yet, so that number might get higher. Other than the roofing materials, I have unobstructed views of Cheyenne Mountain. Everything seems to come in great.

Scott

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KRDO is available in HD on Dish, now.

but not on Direct, right?

but not on Direct, right?

Nope.

Was channel surfing this morning and noticed that both CBS and Fox (and subs) jumped from the mid 80's to mid-high 90's in signal strength. The CW show that's on is being broadcast in 16:9, with decent quality SD and same with MyKKTV.

This should be good news for anyone that's a long way from Cheyenne Mt.

New station - KVSN 48.1 - Univision - went on the air this morning.

I think they must still be testing it, because it is not up all the time, and they are having that issue where the audio isn't catching right with some decoders.

Any word on whether CW will get it's own dedicated tower in hd? Or is it too costly for them to do that?

Any word on whether CW will get it's own dedicated tower in hd? Or is it too costly for them to do that?

The feed of CW they're using is not available to them in HD. I've heard late 2010 at the earliest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW_Plus

Even if they got their own transmitter, it would very likely remain in SD.

- Trip

I agree 100%. Getting the National PBS feed (even if over satellite) would be so much better than what we get over Rocky Mtn PBS, particularly since I think we're not getting all the HD programming the national feed provides.


Could someone correct me if I'm wrong, but does RMPBS stand for "Really, it's Mostly Pleading and Begging Specials?"

I think they must still be testing it, because it is not up all the time, and they are having that issue where the audio isn't catching right with some decoders.

Is the audio working okay now? Is the audio problem on any certain decoders?

Could someone correct me if I'm wrong, but does RMPBS stand for "Really, it's Mostly Pleading and Begging Specials?"

LOL at iowegian's comment. Sadly though, so true. Other networks don't seem to beg near as much as RMPBS.

When we moved here from IA, I thought that RMPBS would be a bit of an improvement over Iowa Public Television. Not so. I think IPTV must get a little more taxpayer support than RMPBS (can't cite facts, though). So, the 24/7 beg-a-thon here. Creates a chicken-and-egg scenario IMO.

Then, there's the lack of RMPBS translators here in Cañon. Another chicken-and-egg scenario, even though I'm guessing that OTA here is very low. From what I've seen of RMPBS on D*, I don't think we'd miss much if we gave up the local pkg.

I've just come up with the perfect reason why KTSC will move DT-8 back to Pueblo: it might have a chance of looking into Cuidad Incarceracion! No need for an expensive:rolleyes: separate translator. That's logic on the RuMP BuS!

For my money, the best public TV outlet I viewed on a resident basis was in the Twin Cities. Sadly, they chose to de-emphasize the KTCA/KTCI identities in favor of TPT. Imagine, tea made from toilet paper! When they made the change, I e-mailed them with my smart aleck remarks; they replied and said they got a chuckle out of it, many of their staffers were having the same brain burp.

While I'm at it, IPTV = self-urinating television...OK, I'd better stop. You can't expect much from someone who lives in a county where more than a few truck license plates end in -FKR.:o

Well, Good news on the RMPBS/KTSC digital TV transmission front for those of us around Colorado Springs. Talked to Ian, KTSC chief engineer today. If all goes well, come mid June there will be a high power Ch 8.1 digital transmitter installed on top of Cheyenne Mtn. A Pueblo transmitter (also 8.1) in the future is a possible addition. He said there is some new digital transmission capabilities that allow multiple low power stations to operate on the same frequency in the same general area. Also, Ian mentioned that UHF operations really chew into their power budget (i.e. they are expensive to operate). Thus the electric bill is one of the reasons for the interest in using Ch 8.1. So as the saying goes: "Stay tuned. "

With my setup I receive ABC, CBS, FOX and PBS all HD and all with strong signal strength. They look great. NBC is missing though. Not even a low-quality signal. Nothing. It's antenna is on Cheyenne mountain the same distance away as the rest of them.

Here's the details:

RCA ANT1500 multidirectional antenna hooked up to Hauppauge HVR-1800 card in a Vista-64 computer. Using that to feed Media Center Extenders to 2 other TV's in the house. I live in 80923. According to TVFool.com, I am 14.5 miles from Cheyenne MTN and I have line-of-sight.....almost.
I really should have an outdoor antenna, but I'm trying to avoid my disaster of an HOA.

I can't think of a reason I would get the other stations and not NBC. Same direction, same distance, same everything.

Any ideas?

Assuming you have attic space, I'd try installing there first, then go outside only if needed. Print this doc (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html) from the FCC, and send it to your HOA along with the pictures of your antenna install. It's a nice and legal way to basically tell them to GFT.

For simplicity sake, you'll probably want to do a single channel 7 - 51 antenna like these:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=CM-2018
http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=HD7694P

http://www.dennysantennaservice.com/1136892.html

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16068709#post16068709 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16068709#post16068709) (the Dyersville area is about 35 miles from the Cedar Rapids-Waterloo tower area. Currently KWWL DT ch 7 is on low power (about 4.1 kW at 2000') so if we believe the poster, it's doing pretty well)

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=HD-1080 (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=HD-1080)(see comments about it from KWWL's engineer here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16061872#post16061872) Waterloo is about 25 miles from the channel 7 tower BTW

You'll want to use RG-6 coax. Lesser quality means more loss, higher quality in surburban setting would be overkill.

Thanks for the quick response and info Iowegian. I will look into those things.

BTW, I have a printed copy of the FCC document already and know my rights concerning antenna placement. I don't mind fighting my HOA on the matter because I know I will win. I just don't LIKE the people that I will have to talk to within my HOA and management company.

I will try other antennas and placements, but it still doesn't make sense to me why NBC would be different. Their broadcast antenna is located right next to the FOX and CBS antennas on the mountain.

I really should have an outdoor antenna, but I'm trying to avoid my disaster of an HOA.

I can't think of a reason I would get the other stations and not NBC. Same direction, same distance, same everything.

Any ideas?

Is it a consistent problem (i.e. no Digital NBC signal)? Perhaps they were not transmitting when you were monitoring? They advertise one of the strongest digitial signals. So its a surprise you are getting the other channels but not KOAA. Also they are broadcasting their digital signal on Ch 42 from Cheyenne Mtn. Hopefully your TV is not hunting for Ch 5.

As iowegian3 points out there are limits on what HOAs can do with respect to over the air reception devices (antennas). I wrote a note on the OTA Digitial forum and in fact advised a HOA where I have a rental (with the usual antenna banning text in their covenants) that their covenant is unenforceable. I proposed alternate FCC compliant text but have not heard back from them yet. We did a rewrite of our covenents several years ago in the neighborhood I used to live in and incorporated proper text at that time. HOAs can be so ill informed on this matter.

If you want to read my post got to:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=611957&page=7

Cheers

It is a consistent problem. I looked a little closer and Media Center isn't even locating KOAA in its scan. It locates 15 stations, 4 of which have a strong enough signal to pull in, but KOAA isn't listed among them. The other 11 show very weak signal (some are in Pueblo and a couple in Denver), and they will not display at all on the TV. BUT, this indicates to me that the antenna is plenty strong and still leaves me without a reason it can't "see" NBC.

So it actually doesn't seem to be a problem with the tuner looking for the wrong station (5 vs 42) but rather that it's just not there.

Tomorrow I will try hooking the antenna directly to a TV that allows for manual scanning of stations and see if I get better results.

EDIT: Satcom, I was scanning for the stations tonight. I assume NBC is transmitting this evening.

Someone on another forum said that NBC in their area was still transmitting at lower power because Obama said it was okay until June. Is that the case in Colorado Springs? That would provide a tidy explanation. When setting up the Media Center signal, it seems to ONLY be picking up stations above 1000 (1081, 1111, 1131 & 1211).

Warlock,

What part of town do you live in and can you see the mountain from where you live? I just placed an antenna in my attic and it's working fine through the roofing materials. I don't know your situation exactly, but that might be a reasonable option for you to consider. I'm using the ClearStream4 (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=C4) antenna which is reasonably small for its gain and range.

Scott

I live near powers & woodmen. I can see the edge of the mountain from the window. There is a multi-story house about 300 yards away that blocks the rest of my view of it.
I might have to check into an attic antenna, but if this will resolve itself in 3 months time, then I can wait. All the NBC shows I want to watch are online anyway. This is more of a quest for the answer than a complaint that it's not working.

I live near powers & woodmen. I can see the edge of the mountain from the window. There is a multi-story house about 300 yards away that blocks the rest of my view of it.
I might have to check into an attic antenna, but if this will resolve itself in 3 months time, then I can wait. All the NBC shows I want to watch are online anyway. This is more of a quest for the answer than a complaint that it's not working.

If you were to temporarily set up the antenna outside somewhere where it has perfect line of sight can you pick up everything? What is surprising me is that I have no troubles with 5.1, but I have lots of troubles with 8.3. I'm south of Research and west of Lexington and have a perfect view of the mountains. Just to compare our antenna situations. We are about the same distance but I wonder if my line obstruction situation is a pinch better.

I don't know if that helps to know I'm picking up 5.1 easily.

Scott

I'm down in Pueblo West and KOAA has always been the strongest digital signal on any of my tuners (shows 100% on everything). However, I have had a problem in the past with losing KOAA on my TV tuner and having to rescan running setup - never happened with the other channels - even if they went off temporarily it didn't take a setup scan to get them back. This was only with my TV tuner, though for some reason. Haven't notice the problem recently, but I rarely watch using the TV tuner anymore since the pause feature in DVRs is preferable.

RESOLVED: It was a matter of figuring out how to manually add stations in MediaCenter. I don't know why it wasn't automatically detected since the signal is very strong now that it's working, but no big deal.

So now I have all the local stations working. Next step is to see what other ones I can get this antenna to pull from Denver.

Thanks for the help.

Well, Good news on the RMPBS/KTSC digital TV transmission front for those of us around Colorado Springs. Talked to Ian, KTSC chief engineer today. If all goes well, come mid June there will be a high power Ch 8.1 digital transmitter installed on top of Cheyenne Mtn. A Pueblo transmitter (also 8.1) in the future is a possible addition.

Glad to hear that KTSC is concentrating on Cheyenne Mtn. post transition. Having everyone coming from the same place makes life simpler for OTA viewers.

Wonder why they'd consider a 2nd distributed trans. system (DTS) transmitter for Pueblo? Is signal strength of KKTV's DT-10 not very good there? I'm hoping KTSC sees clear to put a second DTS transmitter at some point that will cover Canon City....

RESOLVED: It was a matter of figuring out how to manually add stations in MediaCenter. I don't know why it wasn't automatically detected since the signal is very strong now that it's working, but no big deal.

I'm glad you got it working. Stuff like that can be very frustrating. I had a somewhat similar situation and it took me a while to piece it all together.


So now I have all the local stations working. Next step is to see what other ones I can get this antenna to pull from Denver.

Good luck. My understanding is the Palmer Divide is too much that no matter what you do it ain't gonna happen. But, if you pull in anything let us know!

Scott

Anyone know why Leno hasn't been broadcast in HD lately on KOAA?

Here's where I'm at after a couple days:
-No Denver stations
-Actually, only the local stations are coming in properly: ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, PBS, UNI (I thought one of the stations I was receiving was a Pueblo affiliate, but I was mistaken. It was the local station programmed twice in VMC by mistake).

NBC is working, but I'm still confused. I was only able to add NBC using channel 5.1 with frequency 42. If I add it as 42.1 with frequency 42, there is no signal. My knowledge is extremely limited on the subject of programming an antenna feed. Is there a difference between the 2? I think I understand that channel 5 is the analog signal and 42 is the digital signal. Is it a quirk in MediaCenter that I have to program it this way to make it work?

The Guide also didn't populate so I had to go to Channel Listings and add manually choose NBC affiliate KOAA to get the Guide to populate.

I've managed to locate and add the additional digital feeds from each of the local stations.....except KOAA. Their programming shows 5.2 is local news and weather. It won't work here. All of the other stations' .2 programming works ok though, and KKTV's .3 works as well.

As of last month, when I last received an update on the area, KOAA did not have a 5-2. I've not heard of them adding one.

- Trip

It's apparently new, but according to their programming guide, it exists.

http://titantvguide.titantv.com/apg/basic.aspx?siteid=51525

It's apparently new, but according to their programming guide, it exists.

http://titantvguide.titantv.com/apg/basic.aspx?siteid=51525

Interesting, because SiliconDust doesn't list it yet, and that is automatically updated on a pretty regular basis:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui?Cmd=LocationProgramsWeb&Country=US&Postcode=80817

Maybe it's "coming soon"?

- Trip

NBC is working, but I'm still confused. I was only able to add NBC using channel 5.1 with frequency 42. If I add it as 42.1 with frequency 42, there is no signal. My knowledge is extremely limited on the subject of programming an antenna feed. Is there a difference between the 2? I think I understand that channel 5 is the analog signal and 42 is the digital signal. Is it a quirk in MediaCenter that I have to program it this way to make it work?


First, a disclaimer: When our 1995 vintage RCA shot craps last year, we bought a Sanyo that's almost as old from Salvation Army. Contrarian that I am, as well as being cheap, I'm holding off until OTA DTV is available in Cañon City before buying another TV of this century.

With that said, my understanding with DTV is that tuners look for the channel that calls itself "5" or "11" etc. Since KOAA is sending the DTV info that calls itself "5", if you call it 42, then the tuner won't find it. It's like the trunked scanner analogy I've mentioned somewhere a couple weeks earlier: since it's impossible to predict what freq. a particular police or fire dept. will use, since w/ trunked systems all agencies share a group of ten freqs, and hop to whatever's open, you have to know the "talk group" code, which in the case of DTV is the same as the station's virtual channel, such as virtual "5" showing up on actual ch. 42.

Question, if you add KKTV as 10.1 with actual freq. ch 10, does it work for you? What I think I understand in theory may not hold true w/ actual experience, hence disclaimer above...

NBC is working, but I'm still confused. I was only able to add NBC using channel 5.1 with frequency 42. If I add it as 42.1 with frequency 42, there is no signal. My knowledge is extremely limited on the subject of programming an antenna feed. Is there a difference between the 2? I think I understand that channel 5 is the analog signal and 42 is the digital signal. Is it a quirk in MediaCenter that I have to program it this way to make it work?.

5.2 doesn't exist yet except in KOAA's programming on their website (through Titan TV - which is a shadow of it's former self). I have 4 distinct tuners in addition to my HDTV which picks up any signal available and 5.2 is nowhere to be found. Most likely planned for future (probably when changeover actually occurs).

As to the 42 - that is the frequency that KOAA uses for broadcast, but the PSIP info will show 5.1(and 5.2 when added) to keep consistency with the original analog designations and the tuners should pick up that information. Not sure why your media center doesn't (I use Beyond TV and it's been 5.1 since 2006). Strange that it would pick up the PSIP info for the other stations that are also on frequencies other than what their channel designations show.

iowegian, I was unable to successfully add 10.1&10.

lsilvest, that explains it. Thankx.

Is the audio working okay now? Is the audio problem on any certain decoders?

Sorry that I don't read this forum often enough. At least for the hdtv box I have, if I go from an analog channel to the 48.1 channel, I don't get any audio. If I change it to 5.1 for example then switch to 48.1, the audio will come in. I remember seeing this problem before when KRDO first came in. At least I think it was them.