Does anybody with non-speculative information know about a July 1st deadline for DT stations to be full power?
I've seen a few references in other forums containing phrases such as "By law". I wonderd if this was a top 100 market thing, or a mandate for all stations carrying a major network, etc.

Full power by July 1st sure would be nice for all. I get Lincolns CBS already in Papillion (near omaha), would like to try for others.

You never have enough locals (they show different shows sometimes durring non prime time)

Does anybody with non-speculative information know about a July 1st deadline for DT stations to be full power?
I've seen a few references in other forums containing phrases such as "By law". I wonderd if this was a top 100 market thing, or a mandate for all stations carrying a major network, etc.
The full-power deadlines were:

- July 1 of LAST year: affiliates of ABC, CBS, Fox and NBC in the top 100 markets. This includes Omaha but not Lincoln.

- July 1 of THIS year: all other commercial and noncommercial stations.

If a station has been tentatively assigned a post-transition DTV channel that is not their current DTV channel (such as KLKN, which will move from 31 to 8 after the transition), they must serve at least 80 percent of the number of viewers served by their 1997 analog facilities by this time.

There will, of course, be stations asking for extensions. The FCC has published more detailed guidelines for those extensions here (in .pdf). (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1255A1.pdf)

ScottChez



See if can find out when cox Omaha will have a multi room dvr option?

ajwees41

The source I have told me 2 weeks ago that they do not know of active plans for a multi room option anymore.

Something about since there is such a high demand for the dvrs they plan to lease the new all Digital DVR this fall at the same price once digital simulcast is in place.

They cost cox about a 1/3 the price of the 6412 so it means more profit $$$$$ for cox.

At $14.09 a month thats $180 a year rental. For Dish you have to pay $200 just to lease an HD DVR then still pay $6 a month for $72 a year, unless you have the everything pack then its free for life. Not sure about Direct TV, but I hear they have gone to the lease model also.

Im sure Cox will adjust the rental rate every year around March to keep up with Direct and DishNetwork.

The source I have told me 2 weeks ago that they do not know of active plans for a multi room option anymore.

Something about since there is such a high demand for the dvrs they plan to lease the new all Digital DVR this fall at the same price once digital simulcast is in place.

They cost cox about a 1/3 the price of the 6412 so it means more profit $$$$$ for cox.

At $14.09 a month thats $180 a year rental. For Dish you have to pay $200 just to lease an HD DVR then still pay $6 a month for $72 a year, unless you have the everything pack then its free for life. Not sure about Direct TV, but I hear they have gone to the lease model also.

Im sure Cox will adjust the rental rate every year around March to keep up with Direct and DishNetwork.


Don't you mean $14.90 not $14.09?

That is strange I just got an email on the 9th that said that cox Omaha does not plan to carry the all digital dvr's.


I hope they carry the 3080 then since I do not need the HD.


ajwees41

Originally Posted by ScottChez


The source I have told me 2 weeks ago that they do not know of active plans for a multi room option anymore.

Is there anyway to let cox know we would like the same options with Motorola dvr's have that SA dvr's do?

Maybe it is because motorola has just annouced new hardware. Also maybe they are waiting for ADS to be done.

http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail.jsp?globalObjectId=6650_6607_23

ajwees41

Conflicting statements. Some has there wires crossed somewhere.

Probably right,
I mean if they did have a Multi Home DVR, they would not want anyone to know as it could leak out as Qwest is getting real compeditive with cox and there Phone, Internet and Digital TV all for $94 for a year promo.

Rumors are rumors and in side sources are often not right. Take them as is.

I hate to say it, but I think Cox needs to get rid of Motorola and go with SA everywhere. SA equiped locations seem to have more options like multiroom dvr and nonhd dvr's.


ajwees41

Response I just recieved.


Dear Valued Cox Customer:

Thank you for your inquiry.

At this point, we do not have an estimated time of release for the multi-room DVRs.

Thank you for choosing Cox Communications as Your Friend in the Digital Age!

Angie
Cox Omaha E-care Team

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Andrew Wees

Well I'll stick with Cox. Qwest is the worst out there as far as service imo.

Since this is the Omaha & Lincoln HD thread I have to say it.

If you want the most HD Dish is it
all the cable HD plus

ESPN-2HD, NatGeo-HD, NFL-HD, HGTV-HD, Starz-HD, World Sports-HD, RushSports-HD,Monsters HD, FilmFest-HD, WorldCinema-HD, HDNet Movies, and the other HD Voom channels.

It does cost more, but might be worth it as cable could take 2 years to free up this much bandwith for all this HD.

Right now they have a $200 off promo and I got an other $50 referal cards. Just PM me. Shameless referal plug, but saving for kids college :)

How does their DVR stack up against DirecTV's TiVo?

I have the HD 10-250 and love it.

I used to have the HD 10-250 HD DVR Tivo based.

My personal Observations (sorry about spelling) and grammar)
Everyone will review things differently based on there personal needs so, please research here and on the web.
===============

1. Recording.
The HD 10-250 is Tivo software base so it is by far better with recordings and names based recordings. The Dish DVR does it also but its more of a find it in the guide and select record. You can do name based recordings and theme based though.

Tivo Wins here, Dish is getting better as the copy Tivo (Tivo is suing Dish right now as they are so close).

2.
Guide.
The HD 10-250 is the slowest around of any company.
This slowness really buged me.

3. OTA HD
The HD 10-250 is better as it has guide data for OTA UPN and PBS, Dish wont have it till 2007. Dish has guide data for all other channels though.

The Tuner on the 10-250 seems a little better for picking up Lincoln from Omaha.
The 10-25 has 2 OTA tuners, the Dish has one.

I would say the 10-250 wins here.

4.
HOME MEDIA CENTER.
THe dish DVR has a USB port for music and pictures, plus it has a TV2 out for the bedroom (SD Only) so it acts like a whole house DVR. I have the TV2 out going to 3 rooms.
The remote is UHF so it will work in any room.

It comes with 2 remotes. One for TV1 and one for TV2 out.

Both TV1 and TV2 are out putted on the Coax TV2 out so you can have one say on channel 66 and the other on 70 for your whole house video solution. (its not in HD on the coax).



5.
HD
The Dish is bigger at 320 GIGs, please its faster, a High Speed SATA able to record 3 things at once while watching a recorded 4th.

6.
MPEG4
Dish is MPEG4, which is the new HD, Direct TV will have a new HD DVR thats Mpeg4 this fall but it wont be Tivo based, the Tivo seems to be phasing out of Direct TVs line as they have there own software that is faster on the guide screen.

Soon the HD 10-250 will not get any of the new HD channels and you will have to upgrade to MPEG4. All Local HDs will be on MPEG4.

7.
Ethernet.
The Dish DVR has an ethernet port for the future VOD. Some say its for VOD via the internet?

8.
Caller ID
Dish yes, Direct Tivo NO

9. VOD
Dish sends PPVs to the HD at night so its avl for VOD, but it cost more if you use it.

10.
GUI
The Dish has Picture n Picture and the live channel in the guide. The Tivo, its hard to watch TV which surfing for channels.


11.
External HD
USB 2.0 out for External HD, its currently in Beta due out this fall. The External HD will be married to the receiver so it wont work on a PC or any other receiver due to rules in place by the Movie companies and networks. Up to 500 Gig externals will be supported this fall.

12.
Dish Com
You don't have to run a Phone line to the box as long as an other receiver has a Phone line. The Phone line info and caller ID travel over the house hold electric wires.

13.
Tuners. 3 at a time

You can record 3 HD things at once (remember its a Home media Server).
2 HD Via Sat at once and 1 OTA HD all at the same time.
You can watch a 4th thing thats recorded.

I just went to antennaweb and printed out a map of my location, in Omaha. It looks like the channels I would want to pickup are 6.1, 3.1, 7.1, 42, and 15. channels 3-7 look to be 5 miles east of my home and 15 and 42 are 18 miles south south west of my home. I would like to get HD signals whenever possible and was wondering what antennae and equiptment I should get; also is this a project for a newbie or should I hire someone to install it all?

Thanks, Scott, for the information. Yes, the extremely slow guide sucks on the HD10-250, but I do like the 2 tuners vs. one on the Dish. I guess I'll wait awhile and see what new HD may come with all the birds DirecTV has been launching.

Mike

Response I just recieved.


Dear Valued Cox Customer:

Thank you for your inquiry.

At this point, we do not have an estimated time of release for the multi-room DVRs.

Thank you for choosing Cox Communications as Your Friend in the Digital Age!

Angie
Cox Omaha E-care Team

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Andrew Wees

You might look into a Sling box instead.

It appears KOLN (10 Lincoln) has sent an application to the FCC indicating they are broadcasting at full power now ala "Program Test Authority".

Anybody on the fringe picking them up better lately? They were running about 50% last I knew.

Here in Kearney, I've been catching them more often than I thought I had before. I will have to investigate just how often and report back to ya boardman.

Omaha accroding to the 6412 diagnostics is doing ADS. Can anyone confrim this?


they just show on thier regular channel no special tier.




ajwees41

That's what i'm wondering too. I need to look at the diagnostics on my box and see what's up.

Sounds like KLKN may be running into some delays. The engineer sent the following to me:
Our full power transmitter installation is nearly complete. But we have a lot of work to be done by the tower crew to broadcast that signal from an antenna that needs to be installed. No word as of yet on a completion date due to the tower crew schedule.

Re: KOLN reception--I don't believe I'm picking them up anymore often than before here in Kearney. Just picking them up mainly in the evenings & nights.

This is a very nontechnical way of responding, but...

I just was switching back and forth between NBC (8) and ABC (9) in Omaha and regularly got pixelation. I presume that means Cox is all-digital now, or is making real moves in that direction.

This is a very nontechnical way of responding, but...

I just was switching back and forth between NBC (8) and ABC (9) in Omaha and regularly got pixelation. I presume that means Cox is all-digital now, or is making real moves in that direction.

yep see my post above. I can confirm channels 1-40 are digital. I haven't checked 41-71, but I expect they are digital also.


ajwees41

For what it's worth, KOWH 51 has signed on in Lincoln, a day before their CP was set to expire. They are running their own programming (possibly the WB cable service) with a WB logo in the corner.
This may very well be the last analog station to sign on the air, seeing as how all stations are due on air at full power on 7/1.
KOWH will most likely be a "flash cut" as 2008 approaches.

So does Lincolns Channel 8 have to be at full power by 7/1 now? Is it already at full power?

Anyone able to get it near Omaha like we could get KOLN?

Sounds like KLKN may be running into some delays. The engineer sent the following to me:
Our full power transmitter installation is nearly complete. But we have a lot of work to be done by the tower crew to broadcast that signal from an antenna that needs to be installed. No word as of yet on a completion date due to the tower crew schedule.

Re: KOLN reception--I don't believe I'm picking them up anymore often than before here in Kearney. Just picking them up mainly in the evenings & nights.

So they probably won't make their July 1st deadline, but they are working on it. Tower crew delay is acceptable to the FCC. Shouldn't be too long of delay.

yep see my post above. I can confirm channels 1-40 are digital. I haven't checked 41-71, but I expect they are digital also.


ajwees41

I got up to channel 13 when my daughters started whining "change it back". An easy quick check is to go to channels 6 & 7. They are generally awful so it's obvious that they are now digital. I'll check the rest when they go to bed. The funny thing is that I was over at my inlaws tonight and I thought those channels were bad (they have an HD-PVR box, mine's just digital).

I got up to channel 13 when my daughters started whining "change it back". An easy quick check is to go to channels 6 & 7. They are generally awful so it's obvious that they are now digital. I'll check the rest when they go to bed. The funny thing is that I was over at my inlaws tonight and I thought those channels were bad (they have an HD-PVR box, mine's just digital).


Omaha is all digital plus the channes 1-71 still come in Analog for people who have analog tv's.

ajwees41

boardman, do you know if it's a requirement for KLKN to have their digital signal full power by 7/1 or is it a coincidence that they're trying to be at the higher power on the same deadline? I know here in the Tri-Cities, KHAS and NTV and Fox 4/17 won't be full power by 7/1?

Omaha is all digital plus the channes 1-71 still come in Analog for people who have analog tv's.

ajwees41


Now they just need to get the Passport Echo update going and we'll be set.

boardman, do you know if it's a requirement for KLKN to have their digital signal full power by 7/1 or is it a coincidence that they're trying to be at the higher power on the same deadline? I know here in the Tri-Cities, KHAS and NTV and Fox 4/17 won't be full power by 7/1?

I was under the impression that "everybody else" had to be up and going on 7/1, but that may only apply to the top 100 market non-major network stations.

Check this link:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1255A1.pdf

Appears they need to be on full power unless they have applied for a waiver

Congratulations...
It's 7/1/06 and 38-1 shows "no signal". Thought maybe their engineers were working this week since they managed to get 51 on the air at the last minute.

Im thinking the time WB 15 (DTV 38-1) license comes up for renewal, I will write a complaint letter for there file, buy law it has to go into there file for everyone to read.

38-1 has been at no power or super low power for a longer time. Whats the hold up? Its so said that Nebraska public TV can do it with just donations and Papass with of the most profitable tv companies around cant.

I get 38-1 just fine, and have for quite some time. But the audio is so low, it's unwatchable, so I get KPTM over DirecTV instead.

M

Is that YOUR house right over there near the tower??? :)

“Time Warner Cable has stated it will roll OCAP applications out in New York City; Milwaukee; Green Bay, Wis.; Lincoln, Neb.; and Waco, Texas, while Comcast Corp. has pledged to do so in Philadelphia, Denver and Northern New Jersey.
Joan Gillman, vice president of interactive TV and advanced advertising at Time Warner Cable, said work is under way to meet the October target date for rolling out OCAP in Time Warner’s initial markets.”


http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleid=CA6344725

Looks interesting. I wonder when Cox will do OCAP?

Is that YOUR house right over there near the tower??? :)

Hehe. Actually, I'm at about 96th and Harrison in Omaha.

I just got a Dvico FusionHDTV5 RT Lite card so that I could get QAM channels via Cox. So far I can get OTA HD and analog cable. I do not get any QAM channels. I realize that most of the channels are encrypted but my inlaws get ABC,NBC, CBS and misc. OnDemand streams from their Sony HDTV. I would like to get the 3 networks without going to an antenna. Has anyone had any luck with Fusion cards and QAM?

Here's a link for the AVS forum dealing exclusively with DVICO Fusion cards.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=545967

Did anybody see where two stations in the "Lincoln-Hastings" market are applying to stay on low power digital, then reverting to their original channels?
Channel 2 in North Platte and Channel 5 in Hastings. Not good channels for digitial.

I just wrote to Hoak Media (new owners of KHAS and KNOP) but haven't heard back. I encouraged them to stay on channels 21 & 22. Digital television on low band VHF will be a nightmare. These are the only two stations in Nebraska which are electing to remain on low band. I had not heard about them remaining on low power.

http://www.hoakmedia.com/


The FCC database may tell a different story , I'm not sure how to decipher everything.

KHAS
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=khas&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

KNOP
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=knop&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=0&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

This link will allow you to type in call letters and search for the latest applications filed.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_sear.htm
make sure you put KHAS-TV and KNOP-TV

Find the applications files 7/3 and click on the application link. Scroll down to the "exhibit" and click on it for the details.

It says they intend on using their NTSC channel for their post DTV transition channel.
(Hopefully it doesn't mean what it looks like it means)

I note an interesting delay between Cox Analog and Cox Digital. I have two TVs on in the house on the same channel -- one connected directly to cable and the other through a Cox box. The digital signal is about 2 seconds behind the analog signal.

I note an interesting delay between Cox Analog and Cox Digital. I have two TVs on in the house on the same channel -- one connected directly to cable and the other through a Cox box. The digital signal is about 2 seconds behind the analog signal.


What box do you have? If it's a dvr it buffers the audio and video, so you will have delays. ajwees41

Nope, just the standard Motorola DCT2500.

Retransmission via digital format always tends to have a delay. Tune an STB to an OTA digital channel and compare it to the analog.

Here's a huge surprise. Mitts has applied for an extension of their STA for KXVO. Grrrr.

Here's a link for the AVS forum dealing exclusively with DVICO Fusion cards.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=545967

....

That thread did contain successful QAM scans with the Fusion but since mine was not working I was curious to see if anyone in Omaha was able to get it working (thanks anyway)

I did get it working last night. The Dvico site had a fix for people with HRC systems. I was so sure that Cox was using IRC that I ignored it. Yesterday I got a reply from Dvico tech support suggesting I try the HRC fix. I called Cox and they told me they broadcast using HRC. I made the registry changes and it works!

So KXVO is not up to snuff. Figures lousy idiots.

Its hard for KNOP and KHAS to be able to afford UHF.

KNOP is in one of the smallest DMA markets in the county. Thats why there news is so low budget (and bad).

In fact some of the northern countys that they should have are own by the Denver Stations (you get Denver in Alliance and the counties up there).

So why don't they just fold shop and let Denver handle the broadcasting needs of the area?

Hello, forgive me for the newbie questions. I am fed up with subpar TW cable hd channels. I have had their tech out to check my signal several times and they claim the signal is fine. So I 'm thinking of trying OTA hd channels. Is there really a noticable difference in PQ between TW and OTA channels? I live in Lincoln around 7th and Superior. Will I be able to recieve good OTA signals in my area? Thanks for the help

7th and Superior should be pretty good. I know somebody near 33rd & Superior who gets most everything, most of the time. I personally use an outdoor directional with a rotor. If that doesn't work Wal-Mart sells an RCA antenna that you can mount in the attic or along the side of your house. It seems to do pretty good at 33rd & Superior.

Cable Companies are not allowed to reduce the quality of OTA broadcasts, so there won't be a big difference outside of stability. That's a big key. You have control of aiming the antenna.
Also, you'll enjoy the xtras like UPN, additional PBS channels and of course Channel 7's weather radar.
Eventually, Fox is to air the MyNetwork on 42-2.

About the only thing I wouldn't bet on is KXVO. They are low power directional toward Lincoln.

I use a Silver Sensor antenna at 27th and Fletcher (north of Superior a little bit). I get everything but KXVO.

"I am fed up with subpar TW cable hd channels."

The problem could be with the Cable Box.

Example: on the Cox HD DVR, you will get different results depending on the HD Output mode and the type of connect Componet or HDMI.

For the best HD, I would go with Dish HD, but it cost more as you get Tripple the HD channels.

Thanks guys, when I first hooked up to TW I thought the hd looked great. But for the last year or so it looks ok but it isnt hd quality anymore. At first I thought it might be my tv. But dvds and xbox 360 still look awesome on it. I'm using the 8300 dvr form TW (was hooked through component but I 'm trying hdmi right now) and havent heard of many problems with them. But lately the sound for hd channels goes really quiet and I have to switch channels back and forth to get the sound back up. So maybe it is the box. I might have to do a swap and see what happens. Thanks guys

I have an hd-dvr from directv and also use an outside antenna to get ota locals. The ota channels are far better in terms of picture quality than the hd channels offered by directv. I live in northwest lincon as well.


Javier005

I didn't think the day would come....

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P3200006
http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=306758

Anybody know of any updates on KLKN's upgrade to full power HD on their tower west of Lincoln?

[QUOTE=HiDefHusker]I didn't think the day would come....


I've been reading alot about that lately. By the way, did you get your free hd-dvr yet?

Javier005

By the way, did you get your free hd-dvr yet?
Please explain!

I got a second hr10-250 a couple weeks ago. I called their retention department and they offered me a free one. I only have one HDTV but plan on buying another this fall. There is a thread on this forum about it and on other forums.


Javier005

"I am fed up with subpar TW cable hd channels."

The problem could be with the Cable Box.

Example: on the Cox HD DVR, you will get different results depending on the HD Output mode and the type of connect Componet or HDMI.

For the best HD, I would go with Dish HD, but it cost more as you get Tripple the HD channels.

Isn't sat HD compressed more than cable, and is sometimes HD-lite versus true HD? I thought the hierachy of HD quality went (barring problems like bad configuration):

Best: OTA
Great: Cable
Good: Satellite

True for Direct TV, its all HD Lite.

For Dish, about half is HD Lite, the reset is normal HD compressed a little.
The Voom channels are all HD LIte and the Fiber run to Dish is sending HD Lite.

Since cable is out of bandwidth most are saying cable will start doing some HD Lite soon also.

Are we going to loose WOWT Sub Channel 6.2 cox 248?

Wikipedia is thinking it will just go away . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


because they lost there network, some think it will be an independent but with out a network contract they will not have much programing.

Is a 24 hr Weather channel (NBC weather Plus) still an option. I hear those sub channels are very profitable with there constant advertising in the bar at the bottom.

============
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In October 2005, WOWT-DT launched UPN Omaha on digital sub-channel 6.2. It is likely that this secondary service will be renamed or shut down when The WB and UPN networks merge in September 2006. KXVO, the local WB affiliate, will carry The CW, while KPTM, the local Fox affiliate, will show My Network TV on a digital subchannel of its own.


KOLN Sub Channel 10.2
=======================

Will also become a My Network station

I know the decreasing quality of Lincoln's TWC feeds has been mentioned before, but tonight especially I notice it. The quality is going down and down and we aren't even getting any new channels to compensate? ESPN looks like crap compared to what it once looked like. What gives?

I feel your pain Brad Smith. At first I thought I was just getting use to hd but when my upconverted dvds look better somethings up. I'm right on the edge of dumping TW and just trying OTA. My only problem is I dont know much about OTA and I dont even know what tuner would be a good buy. To add to the hd problems the TW tech told me they decided to wait on increasing Road Runner speeds too. I guess with no high speed competition they can do what they want. Later

I feel your pain Brad Smith. At first I thought I was just getting use to hd but when my upconverted dvds look better somethings up. I'm right on the edge of dumping TW and just trying OTA. My only problem is I dont know much about OTA and I dont even know what tuner would be a good buy. To add to the hd problems the TW tech told me they decided to wait on increasing Road Runner speeds too. I guess with no high speed competition they can do what they want. Later


Your television does not have an internal HD tuner?

Hello Javier005, no I have a panasonic 50phd8uk plasma. Basically a monitor.

Hello Javier005, no I have a panasonic 50phd8uk plasma. Basically a monitor.

So you are gonna buy an OTA tuner? I've seen they are quite expensive. How bad does TW's HD look?

Javier005

Most things look like good upscaled DVDs these days on TWC.

Anyone else from Lincoln, having trouble pulling in KMTV-CBS from Omaha?

Javier005

As of 8:55 AM, they must be back up. I wonder what happened?

I was looking at the Samsung that CC sells. Its Just over $200. But all its good for is OTA signals. The only thing I'll miss from TW is espn football this fall. Still trying to decide. Later

I was looking at the Samsung that CC sells. Its Just over $200. But all its good for is OTA signals. The only thing I'll miss from TW is espn football this fall. Still trying to decide. Later

Have you considered dishnet or directv? Both offer HD-DVRs with OTA tuners built in.

The analogs on TW looks pretty sad, but the HD has always looked pretty good to me. Their digital signals are way overcompressed though.

BTW, you can get some pretty decent OTA tuenrs on Ebay. LG's have been flooding the listings, which brings the price down.

Search using keywords LG LST
and pick your model

I'm liking how Music Choice on Cox has overhauled the way they look.

Are we going to loose WOWT Sub Channel 6.2 cox 248?

Wikipedia is thinking it will just go away . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page


because they lost there network, some think it will be an independent but with out a network contract they will not have much programing.

Is a 24 hr Weather channel (NBC weather Plus) still an option. I hear those sub channels are very profitable with there constant advertising in the bar at the bottom.

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In October 2005, WOWT-DT launched UPN Omaha on digital sub-channel 6.2. It is likely that this secondary service will be renamed or shut down when The WB and UPN networks merge in September 2006. KXVO, the local WB affiliate, will carry The CW, while KPTM, the local Fox affiliate, will show My Network TV on a digital subchannel of its own.


KOLN Sub Channel 10.2
=======================

Will also become a My Network station


We'll be an independent...we've got a lot of exciting changes to the channel but just aren't announcing it all just yet. Watch for promotion of the new name and such very soon! Thanks for asking...
Gail



ajwees41

I hear you; I dumped TWC about a year ago because I had enough of their poor service, high prices, and limited HD choices. I live near 33rd and Old Cheney.

First I used the Zenith silver sensor, and it worked OK. had to move it a fair ammount and on certain days / times it was difficult to get some channels. I then tried out the Terk HDTVa - and have been very, very pleased with it. Here is an amazon link of it:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007MXZB2/102-4953998-0523364?v=glance&n=172282

Be sure you get HDTVa, not HDTVi. The "a" is the amplified version and it works perfectly. High signal strength on all HD channels (except KXVO- but the standard def KXVO comes in very clear).



Hello, forgive me for the newbie questions. I am fed up with subpar TW cable hd channels. I have had their tech out to check my signal several times and they claim the signal is fine. So I 'm thinking of trying OTA hd channels. Is there really a noticable difference in PQ between TW and OTA channels? I live in Lincoln around 7th and Superior. Will I be able to recieve good OTA signals in my area? Thanks for the help

So the Terk HDTVa is better than the Silver Sensor? How much better? Got any details?

I might want to switch. I use the Silver Sensor with a Pre Amp to get Lincoln from Omaha, but your right, you have to move it a fair amount as the weather changes.

Would you describ it in size and shape as a Silver Sensor but with a build in Amp and VHF rods?

Although I didn't know him personally, according to a posting on his website nebraskaradio.com, he passed away last night.

I will say that he was one of my favorite posters here. Dave was always very informative and willing to help. He will be missed.

Although I didn't know him personally, according to a posting on his website nebraskaradio.com, he passed away last night.

I will say that he was one of my favorite posters here. Dave was always very informative and willing to help. He will be missed.

Wow!!! I'm sad to hear of this news. Here is a short bio (not guaranteed to be accurate).

Dave Daugherty aka Dave Matthews
KBRL [McCook NE] 1982
KICX [McCook] 1983-1983
KPAT/KSOO [Sioux Falls SD] 1985 - Dave Fredricks
KICX [McCook] 1987
KKPR [Kearney NE] 1989
KLIN/KEZG [Lincoln NE] 1989
KFMQ [Lincoln] 1991
KZKX [Lincoln NE] 1991-1998

Boardman will be missed on this board. RIP.

Anyone ever struggle getting KPTM? I rarely watch Fox, but ever since they have had their HD signal up at a good power, I have gotten it at 90+% signal strength, but MANY dropouts on HD programming only (SD content during the day is perfect!). I've tried rescanning, etc... Any suggestions?

Damm I saw him on this board a few times. He's in a better place now.

So the Terk HDTVa is better than the Silver Sensor? How much better? Got any details?

I might want to switch. I use the Silver Sensor with a Pre Amp to get Lincoln from Omaha, but your right, you have to move it a fair amount as the weather changes.

Would you describ it in size and shape as a Silver Sensor but with a build in Amp and VHF rods?


For my situation, the Terk HDTVa works significantly better than the SilverSensor. I use it for getting Omaha from Lincoln, so opposite of you it sounds like. Note that I didn't have a Pre Amp with the silver sensor, so that could be the main reason.

It is similar to the Silver Sesnsor in size, but much more solid: it has a much heavier base so it won't tip over ever. Seems that it is built much better, in my opinion.

Hi all,

I am a 34xs955 owner who has a new problem. Just a few weeks ago Cox made a cutover to all digital. Around that time our analog stations became scrambled and had no color. A few days later the set was registering "No Signal" from all analog stations. I still pick up all the digital stations that the QAM tuner locked onto before. I should add that I have Basic service and just run cable directly into the set. The Cox service tech checked the signal and said everything was "great" and he even showed the analog stations on another set.

My question to you good people is, does this sound like my tuner went "kaPoof!" at that time (coincidence)? Or, could there be something that changed in the way they are broadcasting the signal that is making the analog tuner not be able to see/discern the signal. Better yet, is there any way to verifiy if the tuner is shot without having a repairman out? How about a way to override the "Auto Scan" so that it only searches for analog signals? If not, how regular of an occurence is a defective tuner? The cheapest optin in the "blown tuner" scenario is to pony-up for a CableCard to act as a tuner (I'm not into a STB or antenna.) I just want the basic channels I am paying for.

I've had this set for about a year and everything has been Hunky-dory so far. HD DVD looks stunning!
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Bryan Gumm

Where are you at? I didn't think COX scrambled any low analog yet. They sure didn't where I'm at in Omaha and yes, I do have all digital on my Sony with cablecard but my other analog sets are fine. Do you have another TV (small portable) that you can plug into that same coax to make sure the analog is gone.

rmalbers,

I live in Midtown. I am just going straight coax into the set. The tech did run and analog set from the same cable and everything looked great. So the problem lies either in my tuner OR in how they are presenting the analog transmission. The tech did mention that some "higher-end" sets (read: having digital tuners) have had similar problems but they aren't accepting any responsibility for compatibility issues. (Sounds like they have an agenda they aren't willing to discuss.)
If you could be so kind, could/would you be able to try running straight into your set to set in your tuners react the same way mine have.
BTW, how do you like the CableCard option? Any problems to speak of?
Thanks for the response. Anyone else who wants to offer suggestions, feel free.

Regards,

Bryan

I've reread your post a couple of times. It sounds like you don't have cablecard but were getting the local/unscambled HD channels before and still and lost the analogs, that is strange. On my Sony I can scan for digital and analog on the menu. I wonder if a rescan would do it. With my cablecard I would have to remove it and rescan to test to see if my Sony had the same issue and that would be a PITA. The other thing about my sony is it won't lock onto COX analog via the ANT input which really is bad news. I guess it's not HFC capable. Anyway, I would try a rescan if you haven't, otherwise it sounds like the way Sony has done it the digital scan tries the digital channels first and they override the 'former analog' channel assignment. I would call Nivers and see what they say. I've usually found people there that know what they're talking about with COX and Sony stuff. Can you do a digital scan only and then an analog scan only with that set?
BTW: I like the cablecard, that's why I bought that TV. I hate cable boxes. When cablecard2 comes out I'll replace my main tv with a big 50 inch something.

Well, wouldn't you know, I called Niver and spoke to Jess earlier today and he suggested I unplug it for a while (to reset the software.) Then I did try a rescan (making sure I had the Input set to Cable), no dice.
The two options I see in the Menu are Auto Program (Analog+Digital) and Digital Channels (self-explanatory). I guess I should try to contact Sony directly and ask if you can do an Analog-only scan. Came to think of it, I don't see why when I access a channel manually it still can't lock onto a signal. Maybe I'll try a soft reset and try to add the channels individually. :eek:

Thanks for your input.

Bryan

Are the cox HD DVR's phase 3? and have they upgraded them recently? In other words, is it worth it for me exchenge my box?
Thanks!

Are the cox HD DVR's phase 3? and have they upgraded them recently? In other words, is it worth it for me exchenge my box?
Thanks!


Yes Omaha has the 6412 phase 3's. What upgrade are you asking about? The main reason to get the phase 3 is the extra fan for better cooling.

ajwees41

Well, I'd like a bigger hard drive. You can hardly keep more than about 6 or 7 HD shows at any given time. I'll have to check but I think I already have the one with the extra fan. I remember reading something about that.

Well, I'd like a bigger hard drive. You can hardly keep more than about 6 or 7 HD shows at any given time. I'll have to check but I think I already have the one with the extra fan. I remember reading something about that.


It's kind of a toss up if any Omaha cox location has any 6416's


ajwees41

Bryan: You do have the cable plugged into the Cable input right, and not the Ant input. Make sure the COX guy didn't switch it on you. It sounds like it's having trouble handling HFC cable signal.

Anybody know if KLKN's full power digital is transmitting yet?

(I'm guessin not since I'm getting quite a bit of "skip" from Iowa and Mizzou into Kearney, NE.) :D

Bryan: You do have the cable plugged into the Cable input right, and not the Ant input. Make sure the COX guy didn't switch it on you. It sounds like it's having trouble handling HFC cable signal.


Yes, I have it connected to Cable IN. Some new information: Last night I would turn to (say) Ch. 5. and it would give me the "Now Tuning" prompt. While it was trying to find it, I would display the Diagnostics info and there was some odd behavior I was seeing. The frequency that the signal was broadcasting on would vary by around a few hundred MHz every couple of seconds. On top of that, the Modulation type would cycle though QAM64, QAM264 and 8V(?). Obviously it was impossible for the digital tuner to lock onto that kind of variable signal. My question would be: Could an analog tuner deal with these variations and provide a decent picture and does this seem like they are trying to "encrypt" these stations with this wobulation of the signal?

I wish someone else could repeat my experience. If so, I think Cox would be in violation of our right to receive non-encrypted analog signal.

What's anyone else's take on this? (Besides the "Who is the "wack-job" newbie who is mucking up this thread?" :rolleyes:

Regards,

Bryan

Well, wouldn't you know, I called Niver and spoke to Jess earlier today and he suggested I unplug it for a while (to reset the software.) Then I did try a rescan (making sure I had the Input set to Cable), no dice.
The two options I see in the Menu are Auto Program (Analog+Digital) and Digital Channels (self-explanatory). I guess I should try to contact Sony directly and ask if you can do an Analog-only scan. Came to think of it, I don't see why when I access a channel manually it still can't lock onto a signal. Maybe I'll try a soft reset and try to add the channels individually. :eek:

Thanks for your input.

Bryan


Try digital only. Cox Omaha is Digital Simulcasting.

ajwees41

So the scan for analog and digital doesn't work either I take it.
I'm guessing but the freq variation could be the tuner trying to find/lock on to the signal. It sounds like it is trying to lock on to the digital signal and not the analog. I'm not sure if the COX 1-70 digitals are in the clear or not. Has that been confirmed by anyone? It's true that the frequency of the channel doesn't change. FWIW: Channel 5 (COX digital nonHD) is on 583750 Khz and QAM256. Channel 8 (COX digital nonHD) is on 529750 Khz and is QAM256. Channel 5 HD (really COX 805 HD) is around 679 Mhz

So the scan for analog and digital doesn't work either I take it.
I'm guessing but the freq variation could be the tuner trying to find/lock on to the signal. It sounds like it is trying to lock on to the digital signal and not the analog. I'm not sure if the COX 1-70 digitals are in the clear or not. Has that been confirmed by anyone? It's true that the frequency of the channel doesn't change. FWIW: Channel 5 (COX digital nonHD) is on 583750 Khz and QAM256. Channel 8 (COX digital nonHD) is on 529750 Khz and is QAM256. Channel 5 HD (really COX 805 HD) is around 679 Mhz


They are in the clear Cox 1-71.

ajwees41

Hello. I just moved to the area and am trying to find the digital/HD channels on my HD set. In my previous city, even though the cable company said they were on channels such as 455, 470, etc. - I found them on channels like 19.3 and 21.1. I'm not quite sure why this is, something about them remapping the channels on their cable boxes I think.

Anyway, if anyone knows what channels I need to be tuning in to pick up the digitals/HiDefs on Cox in Omaha, I would appriciate it. My TV has an autoprogram feature, but its worthless. It runs for 30 minutes, telling me its found 50 digital channels or whatever, but then when I use the up/down channel buttons it still stops on every single channel, whether there is a signal there or not. Its a Sony KDP-51-WS550, BTW. And its for sale.

Thanks!

So the scan for analog and digital doesn't work either I take it.
I'm guessing but the freq variation could be the tuner trying to find/lock on to the signal. It sounds like it is trying to lock on to the digital signal and not the analog.

If I run the Auto program OR the Digital scan all the tuner comes up with is Digital 5 (5.1), Digital 6 (6.1), PBS HD (40.5) and the Digital music stations and the VOD channels and subs (87.10-94.50). Clearly something has changed. Did they send out an announcement of the cutover and if so, was there anything to the effect of owners of certain set would have issues with the Analog signals?

I am quite flummoxed by this. Cox's customer service is providing me a cableCARD until they find a more elegant solution. I know, it's only another $1.99/mo., but why are they refusing to admit something is different about how they are transmitting the content?

Oh well, I'll keep you all posted as to their solution.

Regards,

Bryan

My understanding is if you are picking up 5.1 and 6.1 and 40.5 you are receiving the OTA digital signal from these stations. If you are getting the digital music stations you are picking up those cable digitals. I wonder if so much OTA signal is getting into your cable feed it is screwing the Sony Tuner scan up. Someone said 1--70 are in the clear but 40.5 has to be coming OTA and bleeding into your cable feed (I think). If possible I would try a new (maybe just temporary) cable feed from where your cable comes in your house directly to the TV, bypassing all the amps and splitters, etc and see what happens.

==============================
BREAKING NEWS
==============================

This is an Omaha Lincoln DTV news alert.

For those that have not noticed yet we have a NEW HDTV (a sub channel so its a DTV channel) channel.

Its channel 7-2 Weather and News Now!

It has Live City Cams, live radar, live Accuweather national Reports, Ketvs local reports and a scrolling News BAR!

Its everything I have been asking for. There is a smaller advertising box on the side not a big one like some cities have.

Thank you KETV, your the best.

Please pass the word on about this new channel as the more that watch it means the more features they will be able to afford to add to it in the future (its advertising funded). (no I do not work for any TV station)

Thats channels 7-2 (the old weather radar channel). They did change the channel name so if you dont get it, you may have to re scan for it.

All HDTV Direct TV and Dish Network boxes can get it right now.

It's not a new HDTV channel. It's a DTV channel. Very big difference, especially here at avs forums! :)

$$$$$$$ COX HDTV DRVs may be down all weekend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you call you can get this months service fee credited ($14.95). Some cant use there HD DVRs at all. Each CSR seems to be giving out different credit amounts.

"If my Star Gates did not record I would be real mad"


=========pasted news story==========================
OMAHA, Neb. -- Cox Cable customers may be without DVR and program guide service for much of the weekend.

Cox Communications said on Friday that a fire at the vendor that provides the on-screen program guides may prevent that service from working this weekend.

Because the on-screen channel guide contains no information, digital cable subscribers will be unable to use their DVRs to record their favorite programs until the problem is resolved.

My understanding is if you are picking up 5.1 and 6.1 and 40.5 you are receiving the OTA digital signal from these stations. If you are getting the digital music stations you are picking up those cable digitals. I wonder if so much OTA signal is getting into your cable feed it is screwing the Sony Tuner scan up. Someone said 1--70 are in the clear but 40.5 has to be coming OTA and bleeding into your cable feed (I think). If possible I would try a new (maybe just temporary) cable feed from where your cable comes in your house directly to the TV, bypassing all the amps and splitters, etc and see what happens.


This, unfortunately, is exactly what I'm doing. Straight from the wall to the set. I haven't set up my Denon...yet! (I purchased it specifically to output the analog 5.1 from the Toshiba A1.) I think these Sony tuners are quite good so I am very confused as to why this problem exists.

Oh well, Cox has a tech coming on Monday to install a cableCARD. I guess this is the only solution for now. Great, now I lose my window into what the people in my neighborhood are checking out on VOD! ;) You can see why a cheapskate like me is irked by this new development. :p

Cheers,

Bryan

I am in the process of deciding between cable and satellite service for my HDTV. My local cable provider is Cox cable and in case this makes a difference for the satellite, I live in Omaha, NE in a second floor apartment. I am willing to pay a little more per month if I can get more channels. Unfortunately, my local Cox only gets these channels: ABC, CBS, NBC FOX, MOJO from INHD, Discovery, Universal HD & ESPN(not including premium HD channels).

Could someone provide the pros and cons for each service?
c

It's already fixed.


ajwees41

$$$$$$$ COX HDTV DRVs may be down all weekend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you call you can get this months service fee credited ($14.95). Some cant use there HD DVRs at all. Each CSR seems to be giving out different credit amounts.

"If my Star Gates did not record I would be real mad"


=========pasted news story==========================
OMAHA, Neb. -- Cox Cable customers may be without DVR and program guide service for much of the weekend.

Cox Communications said on Friday that a fire at the vendor that provides the on-screen program guides may prevent that service from working this weekend.

Because the on-screen channel guide contains no information, digital cable subscribers will be unable to use their DVRs to record their favorite programs until the problem is resolved.

ScottChez


See if your contact knows if the preferred internet will see a speed increase please?

ajwees41

Post #4114 merged in.

With football season only weeks away, Cox Comm really needs to add these stations ESPN2 Hd, NFL network HD, and ESPNU. Lets start calling and E-mailing Cox to add these stations.

Thanks
Ronald.

Hello. I just moved to the area and am trying to find the digital/HD channels on my HD set. In my previous city, even though the cable company said they were on channels such as 455, 470, etc. - I found them on channels like 19.3 and 21.1. I'm not quite sure why this is, something about them remapping the channels on their cable boxes I think.

Anyway, if anyone knows what channels I need to be tuning in to pick up the digitals/HiDefs on Cox in Omaha, I would appriciate it. My TV has an autoprogram feature, but its worthless. It runs for 30 minutes, telling me its found 50 digital channels or whatever, but then when I use the up/down channel buttons it still stops on every single channel, whether there is a signal there or not. Its a Sony KDP-51-WS550, BTW. And its for sale.

Thanks!

I don't know why everyone has ignored me, but anyway after several calls to Cox and insisting that there was a way to pick up the HDs without their box, they gave me a couple channel numbers. I also had to explain serveral times that the 805-xxx numbers was not what I was looking for. So he finally came up with 4 numbers, and I found one more on my own. So here they are for anyone else who may need them:

105.1 - CBS
107.1 - FOX
107.2 - NetHD/PBS
108.1 - ABC
108.2 - NBC

If anyone knows the numbers for TNT or ESPN, I would appriciate it. Also I saw some mention of picking up VOD channels, where abouts are those?

-Thanks

==============================
BREAKING NEWS
==============================

This is an Omaha Lincoln DTV news alert.

For those that have not noticed yet we have a NEW HDTV (a sub channel so its a DTV channel) channel.

Its channel 7-2 Weather and News Now!

It has Live City Cams, live radar, live Accuweather national Reports, Ketvs local reports and a scrolling News BAR!

Its everything I have been asking for. There is a smaller advertising box on the side not a big one like some cities have.

Thank you KETV, your the best.

Please pass the word on about this new channel as the more that watch it means the more features they will be able to afford to add to it in the future (its advertising funded). (no I do not work for any TV station)

Thats channels 7-2 (the old weather radar channel). They did change the channel name so if you dont get it, you may have to re scan for it.

All HDTV Direct TV and Dish Network boxes can get it right now.

Does this mean they will quit interrupting regular programming for "important" weather announcements? Keep all the weather in one place would be awesome. Then we would know where to go when we want weather info, and where to go when we don't!

Does this mean they will quit interrupting regular programming for "important" weather announcements? Keep all the weather in one place would be awesome. Then we would know where to go when we want weather info, and where to go when we don't!



They will not do that because people with cable will not be able to tune to the channel.


ajwees41

I got a reply from the regional manager and he said they plan to add these channels by spring of next year as they are 100% out of bandwidth now that they added digital simulcast.

"ESPN2 Hd, NFL network HD, and ESPNU"

He said the plan is, they are working on there digital simulcast upgrade that will free up more bandwidth. After all neighboorhoods are upgraded to digital simulcast they will then start upgrading there back ends. This will all take a long time. The back end upgrade will free up many channels.

"With football season only weeks away, Cox Comm really needs to add these stations ESPN2 Hd, NFL network HD, and ESPNU. Lets start calling and E-mailing Cox to add these stations."

I got a reply from the regional manager and he said they plan to add these channels by spring of next year as they are 100% out of bandwidth now that they added digital simulcast.

"ESPN2 Hd, NFL network HD, and ESPNU"

He said the plan is, they are working on there digital simulcast upgrade that will free up more bandwidth. After all neighboorhoods are upgraded to digital simulcast they will then start upgrading there back ends. This will all take a long time. The back end upgrade will free up many channels.

"With football season only weeks away, Cox Comm really needs to add these stations ESPN2 Hd, NFL network HD, and ESPNU. Lets start calling and E-mailing Cox to add these stations."


If they got rid of channel 20 which shows just a picture of a card saying channel 20 they could have more room.



ajwees41

Scott see if you can find out why cox omaha has channel in the lineup when it shows nothing.



ajwees41

Cox has no plans to add Ketv weather now(7.2) to the omaha lineup.

ajwees41

Even then still wouldn't be much room still.

He said he did not know about the plans for channel 20

My guess

#1

Channel 20 is a place holder for when the back end equipment starts to upgrade.
It will be used when they move one of the upper channels down to 20 freeing up the upper channel for QAM256.

#2
They are bidding out a contract for an other shopping channel to make even more money on advertising.

He said he did not know about the plans for channel 20

My guess

#1

Channel 20 is a place holder for when the back end equipment starts to upgrade.
It will be used when they move one of the upper channels down to 20 freeing up the upper channel for QAM256.

#2
They are bidding out a contract for an other shopping channel to make even more money on advertising.


What do they need to upgrade they are already doing digital simulcasting?

ajwees41

Does anyone know if cox is going to add ketv's weather now to thier lineup? I am getting conflicting reports. Ketv says to contact Cox, but Cox says they have no plans. I just saw Bill Ranby on the 5O'clock news he said they are working to get it on the cable systems, so who to believe?

ajwees41

Believe both.

KETV is now in contract talks with all cable companies in the area.

COx is saying no as they dont have bandwidth.

KETV is saying they wont renew there contract to all the regular KETV ABC in HD if they dont.

Since contracts are not due for a while it may be till next year before we see this channel on cox which is about when Cox is saying they will have bandwidth.

I would expect some of the smaller city cable systems to add it real soon.

Its on Direct TV and Dishnetwork rights now if you have a HD recevier.

If they deleted the analog version of the discovery health channel(61) and channel 20 the should have bandwidth.

ajwees41

Well, I just had the tech put in the cableCARD this morning. It works, but the fact that I will now have to pay an extra $8/mo. to receive less than I had before the cut-over.....sucks eggs!
I still wish I could get some confirmation from someone else that has a set w/buit-in digital and analog tuner that analog stations are untunable now when running the coax straight to the set. This can be considered a form of encryption and these channels are supposed to be in the clear.
Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Bryan

I got a reply from the regional manager and he said they plan to add these channels by spring of next year as they are 100% out of bandwidth now that they added digital simulcast.
I thought digital simulcast was to free up bandwidth? Espn2HD is showing all there college football in Hd this fall and NFL network hd has 6or 8 weeks of games in hd and ESPNU has a full lineup of college football and has college volleyball. Cox really needs to update there system asap because Dish and Directv are doing it and next year both satellite services will have Omaha's local hd stations plus all the national hd stations.

Digital Simulcast DOES NOT FREE UP Bandwidth.

It takes more bandwidth as they now have Two of every channel. They still run the Analog channel and they also have the same channels on QAM 256 also taking up even more Analog channels.

The savings starts this fall on back end upgrade it will be all done by next spring.

For the back end upgrade they will then take all Analogs off the line going to each area hub. They will then be 100% all digital to the hub. They then have a box that converts digital to analog and then they send both the digital and analog to the houses from the hub.

The saving somes in that each hub now has tons of free bandwidth as the line to each hub only has the Digital Qam 256 channels (there is no analog on it).

Since the run to the house form the hub is short they can then put more channels on the line in QAM 256. Ala more HD

Thus lots of free bandwidth is gained when the back end is upgraded. We are only at Phase One of the ugprade (the Digital simulcasting to each house).
This will take a long time.

If you want more HD, I would suggest Dishnetwork as they have the most HD.

I am not sure why Dr. Spankenstien cant get the Analogs 1-70 on his cable ready tv. I can. Maybe I read his post wrong. Thats not what digital Similcast is all about, Simulcast means BOTH the analog and Digital channesl are sent to each house.

Digital Simulcast DOES NOT FREE UP Bandwidth.

It takes more bandwidth as they now have Two of every channel. They still run the Analog channel and they also have the same channesl on QAM 256 also taking up Analog channels.

The saving come on the back end when they do the upgrade there this fall. They will then take all Analogs off the line going to each area hub. They will be 100% all digital to the hub. They then have a box that converts digital to analog and send both the digital and analog to the houses from the hub.

The saving somes in that each hub now has tons of free bandwidth and since the run to the house form the hub is short they can put more channels on the line in QAM 256.

Thus lots of free bandwidth after the back end is upgraded. We are only at Phase One of the ugprade (the Digital simulcasting to each house).

I am not sure why Dr. Spankenstien cant get the Analogs 1-70 on his cable read tv. I can. Maybe I read his post wrong. Thats not what digital Similcast is all about, Simulcast means BOTH the analog and Digital channesl are sent to each house.


Thanks for clearing that up Scott. So if I understand what you said after they finish the upgrade the channels will be all digital, but there will be hardware at the hub to convert the digital to analog for people that don't want a digital box, or buy a new tv.

ajwees41

Believe both.

KETV is now in contract talks with all cable companies in the area.

COx is saying no as they dont have bandwidth.

KETV is saying they wont renew there contract to all the regular KETV ABC in HD if they dont.

Since contracts are not due for a while it may be till next year before we see this channel on cox which is about when Cox is saying they will have bandwidth.

I would expect some of the smaller city cable systems to add it real soon.

Its on Direct TV and Dishnetwork rights now if you have a HD recevier.

Suppose this will force WOWT's hand into adding NBC's WxPlus when UPN Omaha goes bye-bye?

Suppose this will force WOWT's hand into adding NBC's WxPlus when UPN Omaha goes bye-bye?



They already said they will be an independent.

ajwees41

Digital Simulcast DOES NOT FREE UP Bandwidth.

It takes more bandwidth as they now have Two of every channel. They still run the Analog channel and they also have the same channels on QAM 256 also taking up even more Analog channels.

The savings starts this fall on back end upgrade it will be all done by next spring.

For the back end upgrade they will then take all Analogs off the line going to each area hub. They will then be 100% all digital to the hub. They then have a box that converts digital to analog and then they send both the digital and analog to the houses from the hub.

The saving somes in that each hub now has tons of free bandwidth as the line to each hub only has the Digital Qam 256 channels (there is no analog on it).

Since the run to the house form the hub is short they can then put more channels on the line in QAM 256. Ala more HD

Thus lots of free bandwidth is gained when the back end is upgraded. We are only at Phase One of the ugprade (the Digital simulcasting to each house).
This will take a long time.

If you want more HD, I would suggest Dishnetwork as they have the most HD.

I am not sure why Dr. Spankenstien cant get the Analogs 1-70 on his cable ready tv. I can. Maybe I read his post wrong. Thats not what digital Similcast is all about, Simulcast means BOTH the analog and Digital channesl are sent to each house.

This is really disappointing news that it will take months to finish the upgrade, why did the Cox upgrade not happen sooner? HD is here now and more Hd channels are coming online monthly Mhd,National Georgraphic, Food Network and many more to come, I wish Cox would just move 4 or 5 analog channels to digital now, to free up enough bandwidth to add Espn2hd, Mhd,National Georagraphic hd, food Network hd, Hdnet and Hd PPV.

Hd fan looking for more Hd!!

This is really disappointing news that it will take months to finish the upgrade, why did the Cox upgrade not happen sooner? HD is here now and more Hd channels are coming online monthly Mhd,National Georgraphic, Food Network and many more to come, I wish Cox would just move 4 or 5 analog channels to digital now, to free up enough bandwidth to add Espn2hd, Mhd,National Georagraphic hd, food Network hd, Hdnet and Hd PPV.

Hd fan looking for more Hd!!

Why don't you switch to Dish? We have all those channels.

The reason the upgrade didn't happen sooner is cause they had to test it out and make sure it even works right meaning doing it elsewhere in a place that would be more suitable for them to do a test. If you read about all the problems people in Orange County, CA have had with the conversion you'll appreciate the fact that most of the bugs were worked out for when they got over here. It doesn't bother me that there's no ESPN 2 HD yet as I know that with any kinda upgrade it takes time and money to get it done. I know it might be hard to be patient but in the end all good things come to those who wait.

Why don't you switch to Dish? We have all those channels.
Paul I had Directv for 8 yrs and went back to Cox because of many reasons the first was Directv picture quality went in the tank and there Hd channels are way over compressed (Hd-Lite),secondly I have 5 tv's in my house and I having to pay 4.95 for each tv is a joke, third having to use a antenna to receive Hd locals (Wife hated the antenna on the roof). Paul when is Dishtv planning on adding Omaha's Local hd channels and how overcomressed is Dishtv hd stations and digital stations?

Thanks
Ronald

The reason the upgrade didn't happen sooner is cause they had to test it out and make sure it even works right meaning doing it elsewhere in a place that would be more suitable for them to do a test. If you read about all the problems people in Orange County, CA have had with the conversion you'll appreciate the fact that most of the bugs were worked out for when they got over here. It doesn't bother me that there's no ESPN 2 HD yet as I know that with any kinda upgrade it takes time and money to get it done. I know it might be hard to be patient but in the end all good things come to those who wait.


That upgrade in Organge county was for digital simulcasting, not full digital.

ajwees41

Scott any info as to why cox omaha doesn't carry the al digital dvr's, or the standard digital boxes? like the dct 700.

ajwees41

That upgrade in Organge county was for digital simulcasting, not full digital.

ajwees41

I know but it's leading to that eventually. There were so many bugs when they rolled out simulcasting you'd think the woulda stocked up on RAID. haha

I know but it's leading to that eventually. There were so many bugs when they rolled out simulcasting you'd think the woulda stocked up on RAID. haha


What kind of bugs?

I haven't noticed any.


ajwees41

Paul I had Directv for 8 yrs and went back to Cox because of many reasons the first was Directv picture quality went in the tank and there Hd channels are way over compressed (Hd-Lite),secondly I have 5 tv's in my house and I having to pay 4.95 for each tv is a joke, third having to use a antenna to receive Hd locals (Wife hated the antenna on the roof). Paul when is Dishtv planning on adding Omaha's Local hd channels and how overcomressed is Dishtv hd stations and digital stations?

Thanks
Ronald

Not sure when the Omaha HDs will get picked up on the locals. I prefer catching those OTA anyway--then you can get any sub digital channels they may be running-like 6 does w/ UPN and 7 does w/ their wx. Have you considered the "batwing" antenna Dish sells? It's not very big--maybe 20"--and it does a great job on reception. When the wx is right, I can pick up the Omaha stations very well here in Kearney with it. I pick up KOLN's dig signal quite a bit of the time.

The HD channels don't look too compressed to me. Then again, someone else here may disagree with me on that. Bottom line is that they look good to me. Hope that helps.

Paul

What kind of bugs?

I haven't noticed any.


ajwees41

I was refering to the bugs out in Cali. Like test channels that didn't work right or had bad picture and a whole assortment of techinical issues from individuals cable boxes due to the switch.

I was refering to the bugs out in Cali. Like test channels that didn't work right or had bad picture and a whole assortment of techinical issues from individuals cable boxes due to the switch.


I don't think Omaha had any test channels, so they must not have had problems here.

ajwees41

I had Cox Cable and Dish HD both at the same time for about a week, now I am leaving Cox cable completly for Dish HD.
I thought the Dish HD looked exactly the same as Cox except for Voom which they dont have (voom is known to be in HD lite). I think the Dish SD digital channels look a lot better than Cox cables digital.

My Personal Reasons for Dumping COX HD for Dish HD
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1. The Cox HD DVR is unreliable, that issue last weekend (also reported by KETV) cost me recordings.

2. Cox does not have HDNET, HDNET has many more shows and movies than IN HD.

PLUS they will now be playing Star Trek Enterprise in HD

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/07/19/arrested-development-and-enterprise-to-be-on-hdnet/

3. Cox does not have the National Geo graphic in HD (I watch it a lot)

4. Cox does not have ESPN-2 in HD and the HUSKER WILL BE ON IT ONCE THIS YEAR IN HD!!!!!!!! (source= insider at NUs contract department)

5. Cox does not have the HG TV in HD

6. Cox does not have the Voom HD channels

7. Cox is out of bandwidth for more HD till next year.

8. I thought the Analog 1-70 channels looked better on my 65" HDTV than there new Digital channels

9. The Cox DVR can not do TWO HDTVs at once, the Dish 622, I now have both the living room and bedroom in HD (both the componet and HDMI are active at the same time)

And Since they dont allow TWO DVRs in a House for very long, thats a show stopper.

10. LOST Recordings. Every time there is a Thunder Storm warning they do the Cable required Emergency Broadcast system notice which causes the recording to stop.

11. No KOLN HD from Lincoln (I get it in papilion).

12. No UPN Nebraska (from KOLN 10.2 sub channel)

13. No KETV Weather now 7.2 on Cable and I like Weather

14. NO IOWA PBS in HD, they have different shows in HD sometimes and its 24x7

15. Smaller Hard Drive than Dish

16. No external Storage on the DVR (dish has it in Beta testing right now due out this fall).

17. No home media center solution, the Dish DVR has a TV2 out and a 2nd UHF remote (I run it to 3 other TVs in my house).

18. No Home Media Picture solution, the Dish DVR has a USB port so you can show you digital camera pics on it.

19. Pixelation on Cox HD. About once a week Cox HD channels will show pixel blocks for about 3 seconds, drives me nuts.

20. The thought of not getting any more new HD channels till next year just drove me nuts, Dish is already saying 4 more new HD channels this fall.

21. No WB in DTV 38.1 with the new CW coming in Sept having a Digital picture is a must. I heard they plan to go HD soon once they switch to the new network (something about a network requirement for winning the bid for the rights to the CW network).

22. No NFL in HD, yes they do plan to show some games on this channel this year in HD and you dont have to buy that expensive NFL package, its included in the HD package.


Im sure Dish has it flaws also, like Rain Fade, but that only happens to me when there is hail, when theres hail Im watch the locals over the air in HD anyway or Im in the basement.

Hope this helps in your comparison research . . . .

Remember its my personal list, you comparison may vary , always do your research before changing providers.

[QUOTE=ScottChez]I had Cox Cable and Dish HD both at the same time for about a week, now I am leaving Cox cable completly for Dish HD.
I thought the Dish HD looked exactly the same as Cox except for Voom which they dont have (voom is known to be in HD lite). I think the Dish SD digital channels look a lot better than Cox cables digital.

My Personal Reasons for Dumping COX HD for Dish HD
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1. The Cox HD DVR is unreliable, that issue last weekend (also reported by KETV) cost me recordings.



How did it cost you recordings? All my recording recorded fine.

ajwees41

Just noticed today that KLKN has added sub-channel 8.2.

Right now it is just an SD feed of KLKN, though, so who knows what's going on...

Just noticed today that KLKN has added sub-channel 8.2.

Right now it is just an SD feed of KLKN, though, so who knows what's going on...


Matt (or anybody)

Is KLKN broadcasting at their higher power from their main transmitter site or are they still at the lower power from the site right in Lincoln? They were supposed to go full/higher power on 7/1.

Matt (or anybody)

Is KLKN broadcasting at their higher power from their main transmitter site or are they still at the lower power from the site right in Lincoln? They were supposed to go full/higher power on 7/1.

I unfortunately do not know... hopefully someone else can fill us in. I have no problems picking it up, but I also live in south Lincoln.

I apologize for taking the discussion here off-topic, but hopefully this will turn out to be relevant and useful to the video connoisseurs who read and contribute here regularly.

I'm an independent, ISF video calibrator, based in St. Louis, who makes occasional visits to other cities in the Midwest to provide calibration services to consumers. I'm ISF-trained and have been working full time as a calibrator for more than 4 years, with expertise in all types of video displays, including CRT, plasma, DLP, LCD, and LCoS (DILA, SXRD, etc), ranging from direct-view, rear-projection or front-projection systems.

I'm now beginning to plan for a calibration tour to the Kansas City area that will take place for 10 to 14 days during the August 10-31 period. I'm hoping to include both Lincoln and Omaha in my travels during that period, which is why I'm posting this note here.

Anyone in the Lincoln or Omaha areas who's interested in learning more about video calibration or would like to discuss an appointment during my August dates, you can send me an AVS private message.

In addition to Kansas City and Lincoln/Omaha, I'm also expecting to make stops in Springfield, MO; and Lawrence, KS during August.

And just to put in a plug for Doug, he calibrated both my television and a friend's television earlier this year and did an amazing job. If you are looking for calibration (or if you aren't, you should be), give him a shout!

Scott
Can the Dish hd dvr record OTA Hd stations? do you have to buy the hd dvr or can you commit to a 2 year agreement?

The Dish DVR has 3 Tuners. 2 SAT and One over the Air. It can record 3 things at once.

RIght now its $199 with an 18 Month Contract. You do not own it, you pay $199 in leasing fee upfront plus an other $6 a month in leasing fees if your not a new customers (new customer just pay $199).

Yes it does cost more than cable, but remember its a home media center type of solution that runs 2 TVs.

Divide $199 by 18 months and you figure its $11 a month plus the $6 a month if your not a new customer its would be costed over 18 month $17 a month so its still more than cable.

But if you have it more than 18 months the $199 is a "wash and your now much less than cables $14.95 HD DVR lease fee. Free if your under the new customer plan or $6 a month if your not a new customer.

Channel Packages
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I ended up doing a price comparisions on an excel spreadsheet to figure all this out. Over 18 Months, Cable is a lot cheaper than Dish for say the Top 180 channels plus the HD package, BUT Cable only has a THIRD the HD channels so its not apples to apples.


I want all the HD I can get and I want Star Trek, Nation Geo HD, and the Huskers in HD (one ESPN-2 HD game) so its worth the extra cost to me.

What is the actual digital channel for it so I can enter it manualy into by box.

Anyone getting 8.1 near Omaha yet? We get KOLN and I see on antennaweb.or that KLKN tower is only 5 more miles away.

"Just noticed today that KLKN has added sub-channel 8.2. "

What is the actual digital channel for it so I can enter it manualy into by box.

Channel 31

New Rumors going around that Channel 3's sub channel this Winter will be the TUBE, a 24 hour MTV Music Video ONLY TV channel.

A Digital sub channel owned by MTV made just for HDTV sub channels.

I guess since channel 3 missed the boat for a 24 hour weather, UPN, CW, or My TV sub channel the only thing left is a 24 hour Music Video channel. I wish they would of done a 24 hour news channel, but I guess the kids will love it and maybe Todd and Tyler of Z92 will push it (since there owned by the same company as Channel 3 now).

They make money off the channel by showing local and national TV comercials.


Here are the details about the channel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tube_(TV_Channel)

New Rumors going around that Channel 3's sub channel this Winter will be the TUBE, a 24 hour MTV Music Video ONLY TV channel.

A Digital sub channel owned by MTV made just for HDTV sub channels.

I guess since channel 3 missed the boat for a 24 hour weather, UPN, CW, or My TV sub channel the only thing left is a 24 hour Music Video channel. I wish they would of done a 24 hour news channel, but I guess the kids will love it and maybe Todd and Tyler of Z92 will push it (since there owned by the same company as Channel 3 now).

They make money off the channel by showing local and national TV comercials.


Here are the details about the channel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tube_(TV_Channel)

Just a quick correction: MTV does not own The Tube. Les Garland, the founder of the channel, was one of the original founders of MTV and VH1, though.

Also, I don't think the target demo is kids. I believe The Tube plays a lot of stuff from the eighties mixed with current AC tracks. If I had to compare it musically to a local radio station, I'd say it's pretty close to Star 104.5.

Would an antenna configuration be possible where a digital station could broadcast, let's say a digital subchannel only to the north, and in the same bandwidth, transmit a different video/audio to the south?

In other words, for example, north of Omaha, digital subchannel 3.3 would retransmit KMEG from Sioux City, and south of Omaha, digital subchannel 3.3 would carry the St. Joseph or Kansas City NBC affiliate.

Complimetary, KMEG in Sioux City would broadcast subchannel 14.3 south of Sioux City as a simulcast of KMTV 3, Omaha, and north of Sioux City subchannel 14.3 would be the NBC affiliate from Sioux Falls.

See how this works? Outlying areas get a second chance to recieve desired programming, and it doesn't have to exceed currently allocated bandwidths.

The effect of all this would be to address a recurring problem out here in the hinterlands: Folks on the Iowa side of the Missouri river would like to have an Iowa affiliate for statewide governmental reporting, and folks south of Sioux City on the Nebraska side would like to recieve a Nebraska affiliate for the same reasons.

If this antenna mod is possible (and more capable than I imagine) perhaps subchannel 3.3 east could retransmit the Des Moines NBC affilliate, and the subchannel 3.3 west could rebroadcast the Lincoln NBC affiliate.


I suspect this isn't possible now (maybe never) but it would be a handy technique to get more precisely programmed viewing to larger numbers of citizens.

Any 'tech' heads want to shoot this down for me?

Would an antenna configuration be possible where a digital station could broadcast, let's say a digital subchannel only to the north, and in the same bandwidth, transmit a different video/audio to the south?

In other words, for example, north of Omaha, digital subchannel 3.3 would retransmit KMEG from Sioux City, and south of Omaha, digital subchannel 3.3 would carry the St. Joseph or Kansas City NBC affiliate.

Complimetary, KMEG in Sioux City would broadcast subchannel 14.3 south of Sioux City as a simulcast of KMTV 3, Omaha, and north of Sioux City subchannel 14.3 would be the NBC affiliate from Sioux Falls.

See how this works? Outlying areas get a second chance to recieve desired programming, and it doesn't have to exceed currently allocated bandwidths.

The effect of all this would be to address a recurring problem out here in the hinterlands: Folks on the Iowa side of the Missouri river would like to have an Iowa affiliate for statewide governmental reporting, and folks south of Sioux City on the Nebraska side would like to recieve a Nebraska affiliate for the same reasons.

If this antenna mod is possible (and more capable than I imagine) perhaps subchannel 3.3 east could retransmit the Des Moines NBC affilliate, and the subchannel 3.3 west could rebroadcast the Lincoln NBC affiliate.


I suspect this isn't possible now (maybe never) but it would be a handy technique to get more precisely programmed viewing to larger numbers of citizens.

Any 'tech' heads want to shoot this down for me?

The sub-channels are all part of the single carrier frequency. One "beam" for all the sub-channels.

I would guess that the sub channel east or west would be illegal under the FCC DMA laws but it would be legal for any NON network station like myTV, Weather Now, or an Independent.

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Breaking News Alert
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This is an Omaha-Linoln DMA DTV alert.

Just in time to meet the new CW Network requirements (WB and UPN are merging)
KXVO HD went on at full power today. Channel 15.1 or 38.1 digital

Compared to my KPTM signal strenght which is 99% on my Meter, KXVO is at 98%

Since the CW network has not started yet there is NO HD Content to show yet but they are ready.

No word on what there 38.2 sub channel will be as they used to have one, but Rumors are that they took the equipment that made up channel 38.2 and sent it over to channel 42 so they can have there MyTV Network on 42.2 (Digital 43.2).

There are still lots of rumors about the new TUBE network (MTV like channel) coming to town, one source said if they cant get the contract signed soon with KMTV 3 they will just low ball it over to 15.2 WB since they do not have a sub channel contract yet.

Best news I've heard in a long time! Thanks for the heads up, Scott.

I am 153 miles from the KPTM/KXVO transmitter. KXVO DT is coming in strong on my signal meter tonight (94) but I can't get a picture. They have the same problem as KPTM DT. When I set my STB to acquire off air guides I get nothing from these two stations. When I set it to not acquire off air guides I get an HD picture with sound on 43-3 but still nothing on 38-1, 38-2, 38-3 etc. Not surprised that Pappas can't get it right but everyone else can. Anyone else having this problem? I'll contact them and see what they say.

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Breaking News Alert
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This is an Omaha-Linoln DMA DTV alert.

Just in time to meet the new CW Network requirements (WB and UPN are merging)
KXVO HD went on at full power today. Channel 15.1 or 38.1 digital

Compared to my KPTM signal strenght which is 99% on my Meter, KXVO is at 98%

Since the CW network has not started yet there is NO HD Content to show yet but they are ready.

No word on what there 38.2 sub channel will be as they used to have one, but Rumors are that they took the equipment that made up channel 38.2 and sent it over to channel 42 so they can have there MyTV Network on 42.2 (Digital 43.2).

There are still lots of rumors about the new TUBE network (MTV like channel) coming to town, one source said if they cant get the contract signed soon with KMTV 3 they will just low ball it over to 15.2 WB since they do not have a sub channel contract yet.

Bout damm time!!!

I can get KXVO-DT! Yeah!

Javier005

I was picking up KXVO-DT loud and clear last nite in Kearney along with the other Omaha DT stations.


Hey Cornhustler, have you been picking up KHAS-DT 5.1 lately?

I would guess that the sub channel east or west would be illegal under the FCC DMA laws but it would be legal for any NON network station like myTV, Weather Now, or an Independent.


Thanks for the reminder about the DMA.

Just because the gains and losses offset each other, keeping the citizenry out of the loop regarding their respective state governments is necessary to preserve marketing opprotunities.

I am thinking eventually state boundaries will be modified to account for DMAs.


{sorry to get whiny/political}

ScottChez...

I was always able to get KXVO-DT OTA, but their audio was always way, way low. Since I have them on DirecTV, I didn't worry too much about it. But, how is the audio? I haven't been home to dial it in and see how everything looks.

Thanks!

Mike

I have not been able to pick it up at all. Usually it is easy when the tropo is strong. I got WOI DT 5.1 out of Ames IA last week so I know it's working.

I have not been able to pick it up at all. Usually it is easy when the tropo is strong. I got WOI DT 5.1 out of Ames IA last week so I know it's working.

I emailed their Operations Mgr about it last week and still haven't heard from them.

FYI to everybody else, I've also emailed KLKN's engineer about when they will be going full power and haven't heard back from him either.

OK, I checked out 15-1 (KXVO-DT) this evening. Their signal is most excellent, but...audio is so low I can't believe it!

Anyone else experiencing this?

M

I think KXVO-DT's volume level is about the same as UPN 6.2's level. Both are kind of low, but if you are running the sound through a stereo receiver, it should be sufficient to hear clearly.

Javier005

I am running it through a nice Yamaha receiver, but in comparison to ALL other channels, it is barely audible.

M

I want to know why is 15-1 signal stronger than 42-1 when they are both on the same transmitter?

My directv HR10-250 show the same signal level on both channels.

Javier005

They must still be tweaking things as now 15 DTV is stronger than 42 DTV and now the sound on 15 DTV is really loud where before it was soft.

They must be reading this thread :)


Now if we can just get some HDTV content on KXVO 15 . . . .


Any one got a contact for KLKN Lincoln, they seem to be last in all of eastern nebraska for full power, how embarrising. Are they having money problems?

I talked to an engineer at KXVO on Thursday about the audio problem. He did say they were full power, but are still working out some problems. I checked them out again tonight, but the audio is still weak as ever.

M

======= The big changes are starting ============
Press release

http://fmb-ebank.bancinternal.com/portal/story.asp?idstr=95748776
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My Thoughts . . . .

The big network swaps and changes are about to start. We have not seen this many DTV changes ever.

KOLN Lincoln and KGIN Grand Island DTV 10.2 and 11.2 are now advertising the My TV cut over on Sept 5th.

Kptm 42.2 is not on the air yet. It will also be My TV

Here is the link that makes this switch offical.
http://www.mynetworktv.com/local_stations.html
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American One Network

KPTM 42.2 will be an American One Network when My TV is not doing prime time.

Im not sure what this is, probably just means there source for independent type programing.

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KXVO is now full power (still tweaking), they are on schedual to cut over the the CW feed on time.

The Station is now list on the web site. It does not for sure say when the cut over is, most say it will be a soft cut over on Sept 1st with new prime by Sept 20. In other words they will just kind of phase over from the WB to the CW.

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WOWT 6.2 will for sure loose all rights to UPN the last day in Aug, sorry guys you dont have a network anymore. I guess this means they have buy there own programing as an independent. Hopes its good.

News rumors are that since the lost UPN Cox 02 TV might give them a run for the money now. Remember they used to be a cable only independent before UPN came out?

I do not think there is room for Two Independents in this area as it cost too much to TV rights, and there is not enough independent programing to buy.

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The Tube (the MTV like channel).
Still no contract signed with anyone.

Only stations left with out sub channels in the Omaha DMA are KXVO 15.2 and KMTV 3.2

We could also see it on KLKN 8.2 in Lincoln if they get there full power and eqipment up to speed.

Hey guys,

I just ordered new service from Cox for digital cable and broadband internet service. When I looked at the information on their website there was no indication that they had CableCard so I called and asked their service center.

After talking with the rep for a LONG time and explaining what a CableCard was she admitted that they did have it and that I could get one for the low low one-time installation fee of SEVENTY dollars ($70).

Does this not seem absolutely outrageous? I've looked at the websites of Cox outlets in different cities and I've never seen a fee higher than about $25. Are they taking me for a ride? What has been your experience?

I was about ready to drive my fist through the phone when the total she gave me for my monthly bill was almost twice what it had worked out to online... when I told her this she said, "Oh, you said the magic word. I'm glad you said you saw that online because now I can give you a better rate." Is this the most scandalous outfit you've ever heard of or what? At least Sprint TELLS me on my bill how much they're going to screw me for the month...

American One Network

KPTM 42.2 will be an American One Network when My TV is not doing prime time.

Im not sure what this is, probably just means there source for independent type programing.

Here's a link to see what America One offers. I'm not that impressed, but to each his own.

http://www.americaone.com/home.htm

Any one got a contact for KLKN Lincoln, they seem to be last in all of eastern nebraska for full power, how embarrising. Are they having money problems?
Just saw this and tried the FCC CDBS Application Search function. It's down for the moment, but you'd have to think that if KLKN was going to be delayed, they'd have to have filed something to get an extension.

Unfortunately, at least two of the three other stations in KLKN's station group -- WOI-TV in Des Moines and WHBF in Rock Island -- also trailed their major network competitors in bumping up the power. I also understand KLKN recently shut off its satellite station in Albion, which was to serve the area vacated by the former KCAN when it moved to Lincoln to become KLKN.

And the sad thing about the Cable Cards is there is a good chance that some channels will stop working when they switch to there Switched Video Design.

There VIP of Infrastructure is quoted in the press as saying they will for sure go that route someday.

Just a heads up on Cable Cards, I would not pay too much for the install if someday they may not work.

Cable is out of Bandwidth for HD and switched video is a solution. The current cable cards can not do it becuase they cant do Two Way communication like the boxes can do.

And the sad thing about the Cable Cards is there is a good chance that some channels will stop working when they switch to there Switched Video Design.

There VIP of Infrastructure is quoted in the press as saying they will for sure go that route someday.

Just a heads up on Cable Cards, I would not pay too much for the install if someday they may not work.

Cable is out of Bandwidth for HD and switched video is a solution. The current cable cards can not do it becuase they cant do Two Way communication like the boxes can do.

Cable is out of Bandwidth for HD is really disappointing, with football season just around the corner Cox really needs to add Espn2Hd and EspnU, I have to friends that will switch to dish in late August if Cox does not step up to the plate and add Espn2hd and EspnU.

If this thread about INHD2 is accurate then there is no reason why Cox shouldn't dump INHD2 and replace it with ESPN2-HD.

What's the future of INHD2? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=688099)

Now getting KLKN-DT (8-1) perfectly in Omaha. They must have gone full power!

Way to go!

To anyone living in Papillion, what is the best compass degree to get the Omaha, NE, Council Bluffs,IA and possibly Lincoln stations that you have found? Stations include, but not limited to:3-1, 6-1, 7-1, 15-1, 26-1, 32-1 35-1, 42-1. The reason I am asking because I know that 3-1, 6-1 and 7-1 are in the same area, but some of the others are not.

Check out the map attached to this post for transmitter locations. KLKN 8-1 should be transmitting from their site near Utica although I haven't been able to pick them up yet.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6445627#post6445627

For more specific locations go here and search http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html

Check out the map attached to this post for transmitter locations. KLKN 8-1 should be transmittng from their site near Utica although I haven't been able to pick them up yet.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6445627#post6445627

For more specific locations go here abd search http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html

Thanks Cornhustler. I guess what I really wanted to know is someone had found a sweet spot, a degree angle that pulled them all in relatively well.

I'm not picking up 8.1 in Kearney either but I do pick up 10.1 & 10.2. (I'll check over the lunch hr, though.)

For an earlier question, KLKN's engineer email: technical@klkntv.com

Good luck in getting a reply....the last I heard from him was 6/26. I had sent him an email in the last few weeks wondering how their upgrade was going.

No 8.1 in Papillion, but I get KOLN real strong, wonder if they were just testing and went back to low power? Its after 6pm now maybe they went home?

Yep, KLKN-DT (8.1) must have just been up full power for a short period. I didn't get them last night at all.

Mike

Anyone getting WOWT DT? The meter is normal 80% but it says it cant get a lock.

Update: its working now.

Scott

I'm receiving both 6.1 and 6.2 OK tonight on our omni-directional. If this antenna will pick it up you should probably see it too if you're using any kind of a directional and are pointed in the right direction.

Also picking up digital channel 31 KCCI-DT and channel 19 WHO and 50 KDIN all out of Des Moines loud and clear on the omni in the attic, that's a first.
IA KCCI 8 Des Moines 31 on the air
IA KDIN 11 Des Moines 50 on the air
IA WHO 13 Des Moines 19 on the air

Picking up skip in the digital realm, this is just like the good old days of ham radio, what's the most distant channel anyone in Omaha has picked up?

I'm amazed, all have been rock solid like they were located here in town.

John

Mike,
What you were experiencing when you got KLKN 8.1 was probably tropospheric ducting. The signals have been flying hot and heavy in this heat this summer. I actually received KLKN 31-1 about two years ago in Kearney. That's about 130 mile trip for a low power signal so it is very possible it could get to Omaha if the opening was just right. Here's hoping they are up to full power soon.

John,

Wow, I must get your antenna, what brand and model # is it? Details Plz, How do you do it? I know its summer skip, but it would be good learning experiment.

"I'm amazed, all have been rock solid like they were located here in town."
IA KCCI 8 Des Moines 31 on the air
IA KDIN 11 Des Moines 50 on the air
IA WHO 13 Des Moines 19 on the air

INHD2 being removed to make room for one more HD channel on Cable.
Since cable is all out of bandwidth they plan to combine the INHD1 and INHD2 channels into one.

We can only guess as to what the replacement HD channel will be?
Cox has a contract with MTVHD already in place. Others Im sure would rather have NFLHD or National Geo HD, we will see. . . .

Same thing goes for all other Cable systems with INHD 1&2, no firm dates given but the combining of show has started some.

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With cable operators adding newer channels such as ESPN2 HD, MHD and Food Network HD, one high-definition network is being booted to make room for the new offerings: INHD2.

An iN Demand Networks spokesperson confirmed the channel is being "scaled back," but will still be available on some systems.

Some Comcast customers in areas including Colorado, Washington and Illinois have been told the network's fate is more dire, however. They've received messages from the cable company saying the channel is slated to "go dark" or that its content is being combined with INHD.

On a programming level, iN Demand is indeed seemingly shifting INHD2 content over to the main channel. According the iN Demand Web site, INHD is supposed to have primarily a sports focus, including Major League Baseball, tennis and golf. INHD2 is promoted for its entertainment programming such as concerts, IMAX movies and "Twilight Zone" reruns. But INHD now offers concerts and IMAX movies, making the additional channel less relevant.

What makes the subscriber drain particularly unusual is that the networks are owned by cable operators. In Demand Networks is owned by Comcast, Time Warner, Cox and Advance/Newhouse, so the growth and success of the networks are directly beneficial to the companies.

INHD declined to comment further on its programming strategy or distribution challenges.

Doesn't really say if Cox is one of the ones combining.

ajwees41

new to the area (Lincoln).... wondering what unencrypted digial channels are here with Time Warner....

Wondering worth spending the money to get a QAM tuner tv...

Also what channels are people are picking up OTA....

Did some peeking around in the FCC database and found this:

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=406847 (a .pdf file)

It was filed with a "minor modification to a construction permit", which will reduce KLKN's "full power" from 1 MW to 500 kW. The request, it appears, has been granted.

On page 6 of the document is a consultant's map comparing the estimated range of their current allotment and their proposed one. Their consultant estimates that the move could cut the station's contours by about 25 miles or so from the Utica transmitter. Viewers in Lincoln and most of the viewing area won't be affected, but it appears it will be harder to pick up KLKN-DT in places like Dodge, Douglas and eastern Cass counties, as well as in Grand Island.

"Did some peeking around in the FCC database and found this:"

Well thats simple, the next time there license is up for a renewal lets all write the FCC a complaint, it will have to by law go in there file. They lowered there power AND the cut the old station that they moved to.

They are not serving the area, which is what the license is all about.

"Did some peeking around in the FCC database and found this:"

Well thats simple, the next time there license is up for a renewal lets all write the FCC a complaint, it will have to by law go in there file. They lowered there power AND the cut the old station that they moved to.

They are not serving the area, which is what the license is all about.

How much $$$ does that save by cutting their power in half?

This is not the 1st time the owners of KLKN have blown off certain parts of their service area. When they got the OK to move Ch 8 from Albion to Lincoln, the FCC required them put their programming also on Ch 24/Albion so the people around Albion and NE Nebr wouldn't lose ABC programming. They must've only had to do that for a certain period of time because several yrs ago, they turned Ch 24/Albion off. It left NE Nebr w/out any ABC programming unless they had cable or they finally got the locals package on Direct/Dish.

I've purchased a new LG LCD Tv with a QAM tuner. It's connected to Cox Cable without a tuner box. I can find all the OTA HD channels on Cox but Fox. Does anyone know the CADTV channel for Fox? Thanks

Scott has your contact heard any truth to the rumor that cox signed a deal to replace the guides on the digital boxes and dvr's with Iguide?

ajwees41

Is anyone receiving program information for KXVO-DT or KPTM-DT? I'm using a Humax STB, and have never seen any metadata for either station.

Sorry but my source at Cox got "laid off", something about out sourcing call centers.

Huskers game against Louisiana Tech on FSN sports Hd ? I found a website that lists College football games by date and network it shows our game on FSN Hd the website is http://mattsarz44017.tripod.com/2006week1html , If this info is true, will Cox Comm pick up the FSN Hd feed?

Sorry I sent a bad link, try this: http://mattsarz44017.tripod.com/2006/week1.html

Lots of rumors on the DBs forums that Dish will carry 11 spot beam FSN networks in HD this fall. The Huskers might just make it.

Spot beams mean only those in the local regional can get the channel.

Cox doesn't have any more room for more HD until Digital conversion is done. I would say no they would not carry FSNHD.

Unless winth INHD2 scaling back they could choose to drop that and add a different HD channel.

ajwees41

I finally did get a email back from cox that yes Iguide will replace the current guides, but no timeframe mentioned. They also said we are still supposed to get the upgrade to Passport Echo 2.7.

ajwees41

Looks like they've released a few details about what will happen to their subchannel when UPN Omaha goes away:

http://thereadersmedianotes.blogspot.com/2006/08/wowt-upn-re-launching-sept-18as.html

http://thereadersmedianotes.blogspot.com/2006/08/wowt-upn-re-launching-sept-18as.html


H 2 O is in the Periodic Table of Elements? :D I'm glad those guys know how to broadcast!!!

Wonder what they'll do between 9/5 & 9/18.

For those with Time Warner in Lincoln, it looks like they'll be adding KETV's Weather Now on channel 103 starting on September 26th.

Did anyone catch the Nebraska vs Oklahoma game on Saturday. I decided to record it and watch it later. I recorded the game on 7.1. I started watching the game tonight at around 8:00 p.m. At around 2:00 they started doing a ticker to let everyone know that they would switch over to WNBA on 7.1 and let the rest of the Nebraska game continue being shown on 7.0. I can't believe they did that. They knew exactly how long the game was going to last. Why didn't they start it sooner, or why didn't they just let the game finish and then switch over. I mean really, how many people watch WNBA, maybe two. Why didn't KETV warn us ahead of time on the station and theirr website that they would be doing the switch at 2:30? Is KETV going to rebroadcast the game for us who watched the digital channel?

"Crawl with 7.1 switch over"

The contract it up for renewal next year and contract talks have started.

Cox is not carring th 7.2 weather channel feed so KETV may pull there 7.1 HDTV feed off of cox next year.

This is just the start, KETV wants to let people know that there is a 7.1 channel over the air out there thats free. It gives them more barging power when the contract comes to an end and 7.2 is still not on Cox.

I would expect many more tricks like this from all local TV stations with Sub channels not on cox. Its happening all over the country right now with cable and Sat as there is no must carry right for sub channels.

Cox doesn't have the room to add 7.2 yet. Ketv is a good network not like Emmis was. Look how fast KMTVHD was back on cox after Emmis sold the station.

ajwees41

KETV is smart enough hopefully to know the situation with Cox and won't push for anything like trying to get a sub channel on when there's no space.

KETV is smart enough hopefully to know the situation with Cox and won't push for anything like trying to get a sub channel on when there's no space.

KETV is smart enough hopefully to know the situation with Cox and won't push for anything like trying to get a sub channel on when there's no space.

I really wonder if Cox is out of bandwidth(room)? If Cox is truly out of bandwidth, how did this happen? HDTV has been on the horizon for years, they should have started there system upgrade years ago, As a huge sports fan, I see many Cox customers switching to Dishtv or Directv soon so they can watch Espn2HD, Nfl Network HD, EspnU,and Cstv.

I'm currently trying to get the wife's ok to switch from Cox to Dish if Cox does not add these stations by early Sept.

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Omaha - Lincoln DMA Digital Sub Channel news Alert =======================================

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KXVO Sub Channel 15.2 (38.2) just went on the air today at full power.
15.1 had been at full power for some time now.
The sub channel is on now showing the 15 analog feed.

The mapping and guide data for 15.2 shows that it is the spanish channel that is owned by KPTM.

The channel is Azteca channel 57, its in low res analog.

Bad news since we already get channel 57 analog just fine. Seems like a duplicated channel.


I hope this is just a practice channel mapping and they someday plan to put a real channel there that is not duplicated. What a waist of equipment.
They already have a real nice channel 57 on the air.


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2.
KPTM 42.2 update MyTV


It looks like they are working on this channel also, it is now one but is showing the 42 analog feed.

Not getting either in Gretna -- just 38.1 and 43.1. Perhaps the subchannels are not on this time of night. The signal strength is only about 65% and I can see the tower out the window, just a few miles south.

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Omaha - Lincoln DMA Digital Sub Channel news Alert =======================================

1.
KXVO Sub Channel 15.2 (38.2) just went on the air today at full power.
15.1 had been at full power for some time now.
The sub channel is on now showing the 15 analog feed.

The mapping and guide data for 15.2 shows that it is the spanish channel that is owned by KPTM.

The channel is Azteca channel 57, its in low res analog.

Bad news since we already get channel 57 analog just fine. Seems like a duplicated channel.


I hope this is just a practice channel mapping and they someday plan to put a real channel there that is not duplicated. What a waist of equipment.
They already have a real nice channel 57 on the air.


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2.
KPTM 42.2 update MyTV


It looks like they are working on this channel also, it is now one but is showing the 42 analog feed.

Anyone having trouble locking in 8.1 (31.1)? The signal strength is 60% tonight and the quality is 100% but the tuner refuses to lock the signal in.

Either I am getting good DX tonight or else 8.1 is now at full power, as most of the time the signal strength on 8.1 is not above 20%, if it comes in at all.

I had 8.1 rock-solid a couple weeks ago, but haven't seen them since. I checked out 38.1 and 38.2 last night, getting them good, but again, the audio is in the basement on both channels. They were showing That 70's Show on both 38.1 and 38.2.

I had 8.1 rock-solid a couple weeks ago, but haven't seen them since. I checked out 38.1 and 38.2 last night, getting them good, but again, the audio is in the basement on both channels. They were showing That 70's Show on both 38.1 and 38.2.

Just got 43.2 this afternoon. They have an intermittent graphic up that says "my 42.2 kptm, kptm-mn omaha, COMING SOON!" By intermittent I mean that sometimes I see the graphic and other times my tuner displays "this channel is not available". The interesting thing is that 43-2 maps to "43" while 43-1 maps to "42-1". Haven't pulled in 38-2 yet, though I don't mind having KAZO on the subchannel as I don't have an analog tuner and can't get 57. KAZO has an application for digital channel 18 so once that's on the air then 38-2 will probably have different programming.

Last night, while watching "House" on 42 the picture continually broke up until we decided to turn it off. It happened on 42.1 OTA and on our Qwest cable feed.

Did anyone else experience this, or iis it my wiring???

I really wonder if Cox is out of bandwidth(room)? If Cox is truly out of bandwidth, how did this happen? HDTV has been on the horizon for years, they should have started there system upgrade years ago, As a huge sports fan, I see many Cox customers switching to Dishtv or Directv soon so they can watch Espn2HD, Nfl Network HD, EspnU,and Cstv.

I'm currently trying to get the wife's ok to switch from Cox to Dish if Cox does not add these stations by early Sept.


Well you might wanna get to calling Dish or DirecTV cause Cox won't add those channels anytime soon as they are out of space. The reason for the delay in the upgrade was they had to make sure it worked right which takes time. Also from what i've read and heard they are out of space for the time being.

Last night, while watching "House" on 42 the picture continually broke up until we decided to turn it off. It happened on 42.1 OTA and on our Qwest cable feed.

Did anyone else experience this, or iis it my wiring???

I am having a lot of trouble getting 42-1 and 42-2 right now, and I am line-of-sight from the transmitter (about 6 miles due north). They don't seem to be at full power right now or else are having technical problems.

THey keeping remapping 42-1 and 42-2 as they tweak it. I have to remove it from the guide menu and rescan almost every over day.

After a rescan they both work.

[QUOTE=Ronald L M]I really wonder if Cox is out of bandwidth(room)? If Cox is truly out of bandwidth, how did this happen? HDTV has been on the horizon for years, they should have started there system upgrade years ago, As a huge sports fan, I see many Cox customers switching to Dishtv or Directv soon so they can watch Espn2HD, Nfl Network HD, EspnU,and Cstv.

Cox probably started upgrading the larger systems first. They use different hardware ie Converters,traps in different areas. They might have ran in to trouble in some areas. If they did it all at once the cable bill would go up sooner rather than later.

ajwees41

Question on Full Power HD

Anyone in Omaha able to pull in the other Full Power stations from KC, Souix City or Des monies? Regularly at night (not just on Skip nights).

Or is Lincoln as far away as we should expect.

I hear about Kearney getting Lincoln and sometime Omaha, so I wonder. . . .

Does any one have a run down of the in-the-clear QAM channels on Cox Cable. I have a new Tosh 42 that does QAM, but don't really want to go though them all to find out whats what. (Call me lazy :) I have a list I found earlier on this forum, but wanted to see if it has updated.

105.1 CBS-HD
107.1 FOX-HD
107.2 NET-HD
108.1 ABC-HD
108.2 NBC-HD
116.1 FSN
116.2 CMT
116.3 CNBC
116.4 News On 1
116.5 HomeView
116.6 ESPN2
116.7 CNN
116.8 TCM
116.9 ESPN
116.1 MTV
116.12 QVC

Last night, while watching "House" on 42 the picture continually broke up until we decided to turn it off. It happened on 42.1 OTA and on our Qwest cable feed.

Did anyone else experience this, or iis it my wiring???

Update, last night it was the same thing during the season opener of "Bones". My wife is furious. Oddly, the reruns of "Everybody Loves Raymond" just before Bones came in without a problem. Are the inmates running the Asylum that is FOX42? :(

Cable increase

Cox Complete basic is going up to $44.20 On October 1st.


Digital going up $1.

http://www.cox.com/Omaha/Digitalcable/Pricing.asp

ajwees41

Cable increase

Cox Complete basic is going up to $44.20 On October 1st.


Digital going up $1.

http://www.cox.com/Omaha/Digitalcable/Pricing.asp

ajwees41

I hope they are planning on adding some more programming? if not why the price increase?

I hope they are planning on adding some more programming? if not why the price increase?
I don't think they will add anything until Digital Conversion is done. The don't have any more room. Probably a programing fee that cox pays got upped and they passed it on to us.

Still cheaper the Direct tv or Dish.

ajwees41

KETVHD They just had a crawl on the TVGude channel that said KETVHD will be removed from the lineup unless they can come to an agreement by 9-30-06

ajwees41

"KETVHD They just had a crawl on the TVGude channel that said KETVHD will be removed from the lineup unless they can come to an agreement by 9-30-06"

This is now common with all Over the air stations. Basicaly if cable wont carry there Sub channel, they then pull the HD channel at the end of the contract.

The reason why they want there sub channel carried is becuase they show advertising on the the sub channel and make money.

Local channels do not make has much profit these days (adjusted for inflation) due to the Cable systems being able to show local advertising on 200 Plus didigital channel stations. In the 80s they used to just play local comericals on a couple of stations.

If you want all Digital sub channels and do not want to risk loosing local HDs on Cable, I would switch to either Direct TV or Dish as the locals come over the air.

plus you can even get Lincolns KOLN CBS HD if your in Sarpy county (something Cox cable could carry but cant due to a contract agreement made with the big networks, since WOWT and KOLN are owned by the same company).

I noticed HDABC on Cox looked a little grainy tonight compared to ESPNHD. Anyone else notice? Is it because ABC was up rezed or something?

My NetwotTV

Launched on cox 249

ajwees41

possible new dvr and remote

http://www.cox.com/omaha/pricing.pdf

I just looked at our september bill and it had the above website that has a picture of a dvr and new remote different from the one we use now.

ajwees41

This is why ABC KETV plans to pull there HDTV feed from Cox once there contract ends.

WOWT has there sub channel on Cox - 248 (6.2 was UPN will not be an independent).

KPTM will now have there sub channel on Cox 249. (42.2 My Network TV).

KETV does not have there sub channel on cox. (7.2) Its the Weather now 24 hr weather channel that competes with Cox cables Weather scan channel. Cox has advertisments that they get money for on there weather channel based weather scan. Its competitiion.

I predict KETV HD will get pulled from Cox if an agreement can not be reached. If cable carrys one station sub channel they must carry all channels sub channels to be fair.

I can see why Cox does not want 7.2, they already have a weather channel. Maybe KETV should of gone with the 24 hour NEWS channel options called ABC now. Some markets do that instead of the Weather now because of the Cable conflict.

HEADS UP
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To avoid loosing KETV HD on cable you may need to buy an Over the air tuner or Swtich to Direct TV or Dish. Remeber CBS KMTV took years to get back once they got into a contract fight. I would not go out and buy a tuner now, but at least be prepared and start saving up money (or budget for one).

possible new dvr and remote

http://www.cox.com/omaha/pricing.pdf

I just looked at our september bill and it had the above website that has a picture of a dvr and new remote different from the one we use now.

ajwees41

I don't think it's a new dvr box or remote. In fact it's probably just an altered picture of the current model with various logo's removed for trademark and copyright reasons.

I don't think it's a new dvr box or remote. In fact it's probably just an altered picture of the current model with various logo's removed for trademark and copyright reasons.


You might be right, that is a different remote than what they currently offer all the other 6412 dvr's pictures on the cox omaha website have the rca inputs,I have an email in to them to see what they say. Also none on the 6412 pictures on Omaha's cox website identify it as a Motorola.

ajwees41

High speed internet is going up almost $2 also on 10/1.

High speed internet is going up almost $2 also on 10/1.


I thought this was a HDTV thread that's why I didn't mention HSI increase. Cox digital phone is also going up.

ajwees41

Scott why do you think that?

ajwees41

I thought this was a HDTV thread that's why I didn't mention HSI increase. Cox digital phone is also going up.

ajwees41

I only brought it up because since Cox doesn't "charge" for their HD tier but yet most of us probably, if we have Cox, have bundled services with TV and HSI that this is sort of their way around making up the money they don't "charge" for their HD service.

To me that is kind of the way I am looking at it. Because, really, why would it cost more for HSI when nothing has really changed? It's not like they add any content or speed to it that is costing them more money. Heck in their other markets they charge less and give a higher speed just because they are keeping with the competition in that market. The Omaha market still has the capacity to increase the speed for HSI, but they don't need to because the competition isn't here. So why the increase? So in reality Cox is increasing their HSI I think to go for their Cable infrastructure and yet still be lower than the competition in Omaha (Qwest) and not have to offer any more service on HSI.

That's my take---add higher costs to HSI to the customers to go towards the Cable TV infrastructure and so they don't have to charge for their HD tier and not put all the costs in a cable TV increase. So the cable TV charge goes up a $1 or so, but HSI goes up about $2. So about $3-4 increase for most customers that probably all goes to the Cable TV infrastructure. Thus, that would provide more HD capacity.

If Cox does drop KETV HD, is can you plug one of those antennas right into the Cox HD/DVR to pick up all the OTA HD Channels?

If Cox does drop KETV HD, is can you plug one of those antennas right into the Cox HD/DVR to pick up all the OTA HD Channels?


I believe that the Motorola Dvr is not a OTA compatable. I wonder when the contract between Ketv and Cox expires?