Okay, my question is - if your TV has a QAM 256 tuner, could you just plug in the coax and wha-la have the HD channels? If they're unencrypted that should work right?[/QUOTE]


I have an LG TV with built in NTSC-ATSC-QAM tuners. I receive the 5 (now 4) local HD channels w/o a Cox box on that tv.

okay, so they don't charge for them. except if you need to use their tuner, then you pay for the box (dvr or not), but to do that, you need basic cable, and the digital gateway ($5).

I think this proves they aren't charging for it, and I'm not surprised that if you need to use their tuner (box), that you need to actually subscribe to their service. Seems mostly fair to me. I think I'm going to buy a QAM tuner for my upstairs tv :)

How do you know what rlwetzel pays? Does he just have basic cable?

Not if you refuse to set up an antenna...

You should be able to get KLKN-DT in La Vista with an antenna, unless you are in a valley with hills to the west/southwest blocking the signal. For example, you probably won't get KLKN if you're around 66th and Harrison or anywhere in the Papio Valley.


I will set up an antenna for the Lincoln station :) Anyways I use a projector so I don't have digital tuner :( Thinking about getting one for my computer though. I live at 114th and Harrison... so hopefully KLKN-DT will come in.

Hello Everyone,

This is my first post and the reason I even registered was for this thread. I have been with DirecTV for 3 years. I didn't not want to pay for the new HD DVR they are offering and didn't want to be inconvenienced by and OTA antenna just to get local HD channels. So (before football season) I switched to Cox. Less than 2 months after I switched up KETV HD is gone. This really sucks. I have been emailing both sides with my concerns and I have got mere form letters in return. I still belive I made the right choice, DirecTV's leased equipment is very expensive for the premium HD channels and I was not sure about over the air HD. I guess I will still get the World Series, Super Bowl, the BCS (all on Fox HD 810), ESPN Bowl Games and Some of the NBA Finals in HD, so I am trying to keep it all in perspective. That being said, NU-ISU is this Saturday, so I am buying a Silver Sensor on Ebay...do these things really work indoors? Someone ease my mind...

the silver sensor definitely works. i'm a novice and have had no problems using it and an accurian hd receiver i bought at radio shack for $90. keep in mind, though, that you'll probably have to position the silver sensor as close as you can to a window. it might work even if you don't have it right next to a window, but i wouldn't be sure. i had mine in the corner opposite my big living room window last night and had a few signal drops throughout "lost" last night.

it's definitely worth the meager $20 even if it doesn't work perfectly. i tried three other antennas, a couple of which cost $60, before i bought the silver sensor, and none of them worked. there's some sort of magic in that little silver sensor. :)

[QUOTE=jonnyozero3]okay, so they don't charge for them. except if you need to use their tuner, then you pay for the box (dvr or not), but to do that, you need basic cable, and the digital gateway ($5).

To get the local HD channels minus KETV you only need Cox's basic cable the digital gateway is not required for local HD channels if you hook the cable coming out of wall directly to your tuner equiped HD Set.

Ron

I know that I am in the minority here, but I think KETV is in the right. It's a signal that is free for you to get over the air, if you choose not to use that method then that is your decision. They aren't forcing you to use Cox. The bigger issue is that Cox has no real competition in town, so they can do whatever they want. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents, but I have Direct TV and use an indoor antenna to grab my local HD's so this has no effect on me.

You are in the minority... KETV is way out of line here!

I sheepishly say, "oh...yeah"

Okay, so, good point. I'd guess they'd put a filter on the line if you don't subscribe to any service at all. So, if that's true, you couldn't put a TV with a QAM tuner in an unnocupied house and get anything...right? Hmm. But, if you have any cable service with them (and the line is active), then you get free HD if you have the tuner...correct? Not sure of any of this, just guessing and trying to figure it out :)

I know that I am in the minority here, but I think KETV is in the right. It's a signal that is free for you to get over the air, if you choose not to use that method then that is your decision. They aren't forcing you to use Cox. The bigger issue is that Cox has no real competition in town, so they can do whatever they want. Anyhow, that's my 2 cents, but I have Direct TV and use an indoor antenna to grab my local HD's so this has no effect on me.



Well said!!! ajwees41 do you work for cox or have an agenda against ketv???

Well said!!! ajwees41 do you work for cox or have an agenda against ketv???


What exactally are you argeeing with me about. You quoted PMKMDJ
not me. No I do not work for Cox or KETV I just think if KETV doesn't charge for thier HD signal over the air they shouln't charge Cox.

ajwees41

AJ, I don't agree with you.

Cox makes money off of KETV and should compensate them for it. KETV is not required to give their signal to cox. How long has cox been using the fact that they have locals against Satellite?
This advantage has made cox communications tons of money nationwide.

AJ, I don't agree with you.

Cox makes money off of KETV and should compensate them for it. KETV is not required to give their signal to cox. How long has cox been using the fact that they have locals against Satellite?
This advantage has made cox communications tons of money nationwide.


How does Cox make off of KETV?

KETV controls thier own advertising. Can you show me where is says Cox nationwide makes money off of the local channesl or charges for local channels in HD?

Blame Hearst Argyle not Cox


ajwees41

By using the fact that they carry locals in all of their commercials shows that this is important in drawing customers. If they didn't carry locals they would be in the same boat that sat was in a few years ago.

Cox does NOT provide free locals to anyone in SD let alone HD.

You can't get free boxes.

ajwees41

I own both of my satellite receivers. I do not rent them.

Mike

I own both of my satellite receivers. I do not rent them.

Mike
I didn't mean you exatlly I was just saying now they do the same as Cox and rent the boxes now also,


ajwees41

My 2.5 cents.

What Hearst/Arglye (KETV) means when it says Cox charges for HD, is the overall bundled cost of cable service (which is a stretch in my opinion). From my scans of various cable services (Comcast, TWC, Charter) Cox is the only one that really pushes the free HDTV, which for some reason is a sore spot for KETV. Cox needs to stop advertising that it is free, or say it comes with the basic package.

KETV is also attempting to recoup some their HD expenses, by extracting it from Cox. Cox cannot capitulate without raising the ire of the other local affiliates. If they pay KETV, the genie will never go back in the bottle.

KETV is also trying to stay on the offensive by telling everyone to recieve the HD signal OTA, as if they are the good guys. I found one of the form letter responses quite humorous - solution 1 ask Cox for a refund or solution 2 have them give us the money.

Why write ABC? They can exert pressure on a local affiliate or find a new one, but really because it will make me feel better.

EdL

PS - Anybody looking for a slightly used 5 year old Mits 55807 that puts out one helluva picture, I need to upgrade :)

Cox total basic $44.20/month for 71 channels price/channel is about 63 cents.

ajwees41

......No I do not work for Cox or KETV I just think if KETV doesn't charge for thier HD signal over the air they shouln't charge Cox.

ajwees41

Its pretty common if you think about it. Lots of things are available free or at a reduced cost to to consumers for non commerical use. But a business can't just pick that stuff up and resell it without paying for it.

It makes me wounder what kind of deal Cox had to work out with KMTV to get thier HD signal back in the lineup?

Reply from Cox Omaha reguarding HD.



Thank you for your note regarding our web site messaging. I will work to get that updated as now customers can receive up to 13 channels of HD programming for FREE.



In relation to the FREE HD programming that Cox offers (first customers must have and HD television)…

v We transmit the local broadcast signals (WOWT-HD, KMTV-HD, etc) to all Cox customers. If you have a television with the necessary built-in technology you can tune to these channels without subscribing to Cox Digital Cable.

v To receive additional HD services like TNT, INHD, ESPN, etc. customers must subscribe to Cox Digital Cable, the HD tier (no cost) and rent either an HD receiver or a cable-card to receive the HD services.

v Finally to receive HBO and/or Showtime in HD a customer must subscribe the premium service and the HD channel is available at no additional charge.



If you have other questions please let me know…



Thanks – Wayne


ajwees41

Interesting FCC page.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:5h8rBZ8xwgQJ:www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/r/m/rmf5/MustCarrySummary.doc+digital+must+carry&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=4

Reply from Cox Omaha reguarding HD.



Thank you for your note regarding our web site messaging. I will work to get that updated as now customers can receive up to 13 channels of HD programming for FREE.



In relation to the FREE HD programming that Cox offers (first customers must have and HD television)…

v We transmit the local broadcast signals (WOWT-HD, KMTV-HD, etc) to all Cox customers. If you have a television with the necessary built-in technology you can tune to these channels without subscribing to Cox Digital Cable.

v To receive additional HD services like TNT, INHD, ESPN, etc. customers must subscribe to Cox Digital Cable, the HD tier (no cost) and rent either an HD receiver or a cable-card to receive the HD services.

v Finally to receive HBO and/or Showtime in HD a customer must subscribe the premium service and the HD channel is available at no additional charge.



If you have other questions please let me know…



Thanks – Wayne


ajwees41

This is what I have been trying to tell others about. You can get local HD at no additional cost. It requires having the correct equipment. Yes if you don't have that equipment you can buy it yourself or rent a converter from cox. Cox does NOT charge extra for local HD feed. They will start if the KETV's of the world have their way.

Good info, I like how they say "Up to 13 for free!". I guess 4 is "up to" 13, but then so is 0. :)

Using their "up to 13" logic, couldn't they also say "up to 99 free hd channels!" and it would mean about hte same thing.

This is what I have been trying to tell others about. You can get local HD at no additional cost. It requires having the correct equipment. Yes if you don't have that equipment you can buy it yourself or rent a converter from cox. Cox does NOT charge extra for local HD feed. They will start if the KETV's of the world have their way.

Been reading for some time, first post. You are 100% correct. If Cox is sending the local "digital" signals down the pipe to "everyone" regardless of their payment structure, it is the same as KETV sending their signal to everyone.

The issue is, regardless of whom the signal comes from, everyone needs an OTA receiver of some type and a HD ready TV- in both cases that cost money. In Cox's case you do not need to buy an atenna, but in KETV's case, now you must. In Cox's case you get all the local digital signals, but in KETV's case you get one. In Cox's case you get a pipe to deliever the signal, in KETV's case you must find the right atenna and postion to get the signal. In Cox's case they get zero advertising money, in KETV they get it all for their signal.

I am not Pro-Cox, but I do not get KETV sticking their free signal to the consumer in front of the Iowa State-NU game that is in HD. Ten years ago when people were spending $650 on their TV, most did not care, but now $2,500+ causes consumers to have "ownership" issues to that signal. I think in the end KETV loses.

Having said that, I went out and purchased a OTA receiver a long time ago for the super bowl when Cox and CBS were fighting, but things have changed and their are 10x the HD broadcasts now than then.

KETV will have their switch board light up Saturday and they should.

Maybe we should write our congressmen and let them know the KETV wants to charge for a signal that the government gave them for free.

What does everyone think?

ajwees41

I wonder if KETV will want a part of the profits that the Antenna and HDTV tuner companies are going to get out of this mess?

I have last years Sony a10 model and Cox. Is there any way I can get the Husker game in HD tomorrow without getting an antenna? I don't know what kind of tuner my TV has or all of that...

So, you guys think you are getting OTA broadcast DTV signals for free over COX's pay for service distribution network?

Come on, you are paying for a programming service, of which KETV is a valuable component, and you don't see KETV's position of wanting to be compensated for providing a part of the service? How about stopping paying for COX's service and wanting the free DTV signal over the lines? Who would bitch about that arrangement? How about buying a <$50 antenna and leaving the controversy behind?

I know, a bunch of questions without saying a thing. :D

So, you guys think you are getting OTA broadcast DTV signals for free over COX's pay for service distribution network?






Come on, you are paying for a programming service, of which KETV is a valuable component, and you don't see KETV's position of wanting to be compensated for providing a part of the service? How about stopping paying for COX's service and wanting the free DTV signal over the lines? Who would bitch about that arrangement? How about buying a <$50 antenna and leaving the controversy behind?

I know, a bunch of questions without saying a thing. :D


If it's so valuable why do they just want paid to let Cox carry the HD signal? Why don't the charge Cox for thier Analog signal also?

I am still waiting for KETV to show where it lists on either the Cox website or bill a charge for HD.

ajwees41

(the value part is the HD programming)

Why are people bitching about not being able to get the HD service? It is a value added compontent that generates revenue for COX but not for KETV. KETV has never complained about people getting OTA signals from a cheap antenna.

It's a new world and the broadcasters are stepping up to get compensated for what others are selling.

Think about the revenue ESPN gets from being included in the basic cable/satellite packages. Think about the lost revenue from similar distribution networks that the broadcasters are missing out on. Have you noticed the reduced amount of college football on networks on Saturday afternoon? The disparity in business models is coming to fruition and we are seeing the market trying to "self correct". Cable is riding the status quo from 25+ years ago, and times are a' changing.

(the value part is the HD programming)

Why are people bitching about not being able to get the HD service? It is a value added compontent that generates revenue for COX but not for KETV. KETV has never complained about people getting OTA signals from a cheap antenna.

It's a new world and the broadcasters are stepping up to get compensated for what others are selling.

Think about the revenue ESPN gets from being included in the basic cable/satellite packages. Think about the lost revenue from similar distribution networks that the broadcasters are missing out on. Have you noticed the reduced amount of college football on networks on Saturday afternoon? The disparity in business models is coming to fruition and we are seeing the market trying to "self correct". Cable is riding the status quo from 25+ years ago, and times are a' changing.


Wouldn't also generate ad money money for KETV and KETVHD and KETV weather if Cox carried them?

As far as I remember I have never seen Ketv have a problem until they decided to start weather now. It looks like it's going to be whose ever wallets bgger is going to win.

ajwees41

I got the "form" letter from KETV. Below is my response and a copy of that email:

Well, I'm sorry to say that Cox does not charge me for the local HD signals. I pay for basic cable and I am able to pick up 3,6,7, PBS at no additional cost to me. I have an HD receiver that I use to tune in those channels. I am sorry that you are misinformed. Now, I must go out and buy a separate OTA antenna to pick up your station. Will you reimburse me for the cost of that antenna? Where shall I send the bill? I understand that KETV has invested a lot of money into your HD signal and you are simply trying to recoup the cost for that transition. But to take it out on the consumer is just not good business. Most people I communicate with feel the same way. Hopefully, your station will come to your senses and keep offering what is a "free" OTA signal to Cox so the consumer is not held hostage any longer.
Thank you

In a message dated 10/5/2006 11:49:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, lhood@hearst.com writes:
Dear KETV Viewer,

We appreciate your concern regarding our current negotiation with Cox
Communications.

Hearst-Argyle Television, parent of KETV and Cox Communications, parent of
the local Cox cable system, are involved in a negotiation to ensure that
you can continue to receive the programming on KETV's digital TV station
that you have come to depend on and which has cost us millions of dollars
to provide you. Your local Cox cable system has elected not to make it
possible for you to receive the digital KETV channel.

Cox has been charging you for access to our digital signal. Cox refuses to
compensate us fairly for these channels for which they have been charging
you. We urge you to contact your local Cox cable system at 933-3000, to
demand that Cox either a) refund you on the monthly cable bill with respect
to the loss of our digital signal, or b) compensate us fairly so that we
may allow Cox to provide you with our digital signal.

For us to allow Cox to retransmit our signal without adequate compensation
to us is simply not fair. Since you are already being charged by Cox for
our digital signal, there is no reason why Cox should increase your bill!

For more information, you can go to our website, KETV.com.
http://www.ketv.com/station/9972702/detail.html

Sincerely,

Joel Vilmenay
President & General Manager

KETV has spent millions upgrading their equipment. Isn't this all related to their ability to broadcast a "free" OTA signal? Why would they want Cox to pay them for having to install new antennas?

You guys just dont get it.

COX DOES IN FACT CHANGE FOR THE LOCAL HD CHANNELS.


Fact #1, I have Cox Telephone & Internet, they want to charge me the monthly fee for basic cable to get the HD channels

Fact #2 they also want to charge me $40 to remove the trap.

BIG FACT #3 Cox built in the price for the so called FREE HD Channels by raising the rate of basic cable by $7 since they started HD.


Fact is they are making $7 each month plus $40 for the install.

Dish Network and Direct TV also charge for Locals - $5.95

The difference is Cox hides the rate in there basic cable fee as many of you wont understand the fees that make up the basic cable rate.

Direct TV and Dishnetwork are up front, they include the Local fees on the bill for SD and HD. Cox does not line item list them.

I am still waiting for KETV to show where it lists on either the Cox website or bill a charge for HD.

ajwees41

Huskerfan's link to Cox's website caught my eye, bullet point #2, "HD programming FREE for 12 months."
(/omaha/digitalcable/hdpricing.asp)

I have been a Cox subscriber for 5 years now, since 12 months has long expired, I must be paying for the HD by now. My opinion, it is bundled up in the basic cable charge.

To the question, why should KETV or any other broadcaster be compensated in some way shape or form to have their signal re-broadcast on cable. I would ask the question, where did news on one come from?

You guys just dont get it.

COX DOES IN FACT CHANGE FOR THE LOCAL HD CHANNELS.


Fact #1, I have Cox Telephone & Internet, they want to charge me the monthly fee for basic cable to get the HD channels

Fact #2 they also want to charge me $40 to remove the trap.

BIG FACT #3 Cox built in the price for the so called FREE HD Channels by raising the rate of basic cable by $7 since they started HD.


Fact is they are making $7 each month plus $40 for the install.

Dish Network and Direct TV also charge for Locals - $5.95

The difference is Cox hides the rate in there basic cable fee as many of you wont understand the fees that make up the basic cable rate.

Direct TV and Dishnetwork are up front, they include the Local fees on the bill for SD and HD. Cox does not line item list them.



What kind of tv do you have? If you have a tuner equiped tv you should be able to view them over the air.

Do you know for sure the rate increases where for HD?

Cox also added channels and the cost of sports programming went up.

ajwees41

Huskerfan's link to Cox's website caught my eye, bullet point #2, "HD programming FREE for 12 months."
(/omaha/digitalcable/hdpricing.asp)

I have been a Cox subscriber for 5 years now, since 12 months has long expired, I must be paying for the HD by now. My opinion, it is bundled up in the basic cable charge.

To the question, why should KETV or any other broadcaster be compensated in some way shape or form to have their signal re-broadcast on cable. I would ask the question, where did news on one come from?


I brought that webpage to Cox Omaha's attention and they are supposed to be updating it with new info?


ajwees41

Maybe we should write our congressmen and let them know the KETV wants to charge for a signal that the government gave them for free.

What does everyone think?

ajwees41

Absolutely, we should write to our congressman. It appears to be a clear violation.

It is interesting how KETV doesn't have a problem with the SD signal, only the HD one. Think about it. Their arguement is that Cox is making money off of the re-broadcast of their HD signal & not the SD one. Does that mean it's ok for Cox to make money of off the SD signal?

Just for the record, Cox is supposed to charge you to use their service (even the basic pkg. that includes HD if you have a tuner), it is cable (pay tv).

EdL

HD Cox hannel 809 Cox has put up a new sign on 809 that says KETV is holding the HD signal hostage for millions of dollars,

ajwees41

HD Cox hannel 809 Cox has put up a new sign on 809 that says KETV is holding the HD signal hostage for millions of dollars,

ajwees41

I bet Cox put the new sign up with Ketv phone # so when people turn to the Husker game today, people will call Ketv not Cox. I noticed with my Sony settop
box the ota hd feeds are better than with Cox.

You guys just dont get it.

COX DOES IN FACT CHANGE FOR THE LOCAL HD CHANNELS.


Fact #1, I have Cox Telephone & Internet, they want to charge me the monthly fee for basic cable to get the HD channels

Fact #2 they also want to charge me $40 to remove the trap.

BIG FACT #3 Cox built in the price for the so called FREE HD Channels by raising the rate of basic cable by $7 since they started HD.


Fact is they are making $7 each month plus $40 for the install.

Dish Network and Direct TV also charge for Locals - $5.95

The difference is Cox hides the rate in there basic cable fee as many of you wont understand the fees that make up the basic cable rate.

Direct TV and Dishnetwork are up front, they include the Local fees on the bill for SD and HD. Cox does not line item list them.

I think you are the exception. Bottom line is this: If KETV wins, KMTV and WOWT will be next. And then PBS will probably want a piece of the pie. In the end, Cox isn't going to eat this cost they will pass it on to the consumer in the form of higher rates.

Actually KETV demanding money is just part of the game of negotiations.

Ask for more and get what you want.

KETV would end this game if Cox would just put Weathernow on. Since Cox refused this it went to Corp. The Corp standing is Money and carrage of all sub channels for ALL markets. Remember we are not just talking Omaha here.

Cox pushed the owners of KETV too fair by not putting there free over the air sub channel up so KETV pushed back.

Calling the station is not going to do any good as it is out of there hands now. You need to call th e owners of KETV and the Corp offices of Cox cable. Its not a local issue any more.

P.S. CALLING CONGRESS
==================
In case you did not read the Shreiva renewal Law that congress passed. ALL Local stations now can charge for there signal now.

Scott weather now was not even offered by KETV they wanted more money for a free signal.


Cox Omaha would have added weather now, but it was not offered to them.


ajwees41

Does any local Omaha station air local programming in HD?

ajwees41

Everyone is forgetting

Hearst Argyle (KETV's) parent pulled all the HD signals from Cox systems not just Omaha.

ajwees41

Scott weather now was not even offered by KETV they wanted more money for a free signal.


Cox Omaha would have added weather now, but it was not offered to them.


ajwees41



WHATTTT??? they have had weather now longer then the past 8 days. You have obviously drank WAY to much of the COX Kool-Aid.

Atleast KETV keeps weather now up for more then a few days at a time. Channel 202 is the most worhless channel ever, I can remember 7 or 8 ocassions over the last three months where channel 202 wasn't even on air.

WHATTTT??? they have had weather now longer then the past 8 days. You have obviously drank WAY to much of the COX Kool-Aid.

Atleast KETV keeps weather now up for more then a few days at a time. Channel 202 is the most worhless channel ever, I can remember 7 or 8 ocassions over the last three months where channel 202 wasn't even on air.


What do you mean?

Cox was ready to carry KETV Weather Now digital 7.2, but KETV didn't offer it to Cox. KETV wanted more money to carry KETVHD.

ajwees41

Is anyone else getting dropouts (audio and video) in the Nebraska game on KETV-HD OTA?

KETV talks me into going out and buying an antenna (based upon their consumer report segment) so I can get their OTA HD signal and then can't provide a decent signal. Lots of video and audio drop outs.

Is anyone else getting dropouts (audio and video) in the Nebraska game on KETV-HD OTA?

No video dropouts, but there have been some audio dropouts. I'm watching KLKN HD; I think the audio thing is probably on ABC's feed. The video dropouts, however, are probably a KETV issue.

Yes Audio Drops outs also on Dishnetworks SD Feed.

Then I switched to the HD Over the Air feed with my DishNetwork receiver (OTA is built in).

Wow, what a difference. Huskers in HD is something else, a must have!

KETVs weather now was offered to them and in place for some time. It was on the un scrambled QAM 256 channel for some time. Just never mapped to the cable boxes. Cox pulled it when they could not agree to a new contract a the corporate level.

The Local guys on both sides were all happy with there agreements. The big guys at corp messed things up. Call the guys at Corporate not the local guys. Neither of the local guys from either side have any say in this anymore.

KETVs weather now was offered to them and in place for some time. It was on the un scrambled QAM 256 channel for some time. Just never mapped to the cable boxes. Cox pulled it when they could not agree to a new contract a the corporate level.

The Local guys on both sides were all happy with there agreements. The big guys at corp messed things up. Call the guys at Corporate not the local guys. Neither of the local guys from either side have any say in this anymore.


Scott I did not now that. We have digital cable boxes. How did it look?

ajwees41

Good game tonight...too bad my state of the art HD system was blasted back to 1984 with the analog crap :mad: (Mits HD projector with no digital tuner) Thanks KETV

Hearst Arygle new info.

Now they are saying thier problem is Cox is charging a monthly box fee for the HD signal, no mention of charging for the channels. By thier logic people who have an HD ready(no tuner) should not have to pay to get a HD reciever from an electronics store.

ajwees41

this is absurd...someone smack these guys

Hearst and KETV should be glad Cox is willing to provide a free HD signal to millions of people who would watch their advertising.

I think people need to now start emailing the other local channels and thank them for not pulling their HD signals :)

I think people need to now start emailing the other local channels and thank them for not pulling their HD signals :)


The other channels contract with Cox might not be up yet. I say we should start a proactive compaign.

ajwees41

Its not free. Where do get the idea its free.

"Hearst and KETV should be glad Cox is willing to provide a free HD signal to millions of people who would watch their advertising."

I called Cox again asking for my Free Local channels as I have Dishnetwork and would like the locals on some of my TVs. They want Lots of money just for these channels.

$40 to remove the trap, plus $15.50 a month for unlimited basic. It used to be $9.95 a month before they added the Local HD channels. 15 years ago it was FREE when they had there life line service.

How is this free when I have pay each month to get KETV SD and HD?

$15.50 x 12 is $120 a year!

I figure $5 a month of that is the fee for the local HD channels (as that was the increase when they added them) Thats $5 x 12 months = $60 a year!

Dishnetwork and Direct TV also charge the $5 or so a month for the local channels.

Cox just hides the rate in there basic cable bill.

How sneaky. So again I ask, how is it free and how I can get it for free. I would like to sign up right now for this free local stuff on cable.

Nothing in life is really free. Maybe they should say "available for no additional charge". The networks make their money from advertising. Advertisers will not pay the big dollars for a channel few people have access to (i.e. not on the cable system). This whole thing is like prostitution, where you can't charge money for something you can give away for free.

Scott if you don't have Cox tv you will need to have them remove the trap. You can only get the channels through Cox if you subscribe to their tv service, or you can get them free over the air if you don't want Cox.

Scott

if you don't even have Cox tv why are you complaing?




It's $15.50 for Limited basic (27 channels)

ajwees41

I wish I lived in Omaha. Here's why: Since Cox says they're not charging for other HD signals, I would call them up and ask them to come out to my house and only give me the free HD channels. Maybe someone in Omaha there could do this for me and tell me how quickly the phone rep would break into laughter.

In as simple as language as possible: Some of your cable channels are not FREE...they all come with some price that figures into the bill and how much Cox wants to make in profit. If you don't believe that, I have some great ocean front property for sale in Kearney.

I wish I lived in Omaha. Here's why: Since Cox says they're not charging for other HD signals, I would call them up and ask them to come out to my house and only give me the free HD channels. Maybe someone in Omaha there could do this for me and tell me how quickly the phone rep would break into laughter.

In as simple as language as possible: Some of your cable channels are not FREE...they all come with some price that figures into the bill and how much Cox wants to make in profit. If you don't believe that, I have some great ocean front property for sale in Kearney.

Come on!

No one here believes that anything from Cox is actually FREE!

Local HD channels are provided at no additional cost to Cox Basic Cable Customers, provided you have the proper equipment. That equipment would be a Motorolla box or a QAM tuner built into your TV.

There is no extra charge for HD channels, everyone who is paying for basic cable can get them... They are included! They certainly aren't free to those of you without Cox Cable service, and using that as an argument is nonsense.

I realize that the cost structure of basic cable is built around the services offered, however the distinction is that HD is included in their basic cable service, their is no extra line item and no chance for you to turn down getting the HD signals. Everyone gets them. If you don't like that option go get Telechoice cable.

REGARDLESS... Why is it wrong for cox to "make money from KETVs digital signal" yet it is perfectly acceptable for KETV to make money off of Cox's dominant penetration in the Omaha market via advertising dollars? Cox has about 70% penetration in the Omaha market. So you could say that 70% of the homes that watch KETV are recieving that signal via Cox Cable. You think KETV advertisers would stay around if they suddenly lost 70% of their audience?

I think Cox is doing KETV and Hearst a favor in transmitting their HD and SD. If I was running Cox cable I would pull KETVs SD signal. In the Omaha market at least, Cox has the upper hand. It may be different though in other markets.

I think Cox is doing KETV and Hearst a favor in transmitting their HD and SD. If I was running Cox cable I would pull KETVs SD signal. In the Omaha market at least, Cox has the upper hand. It may be different though in other markets.


Wow! Could you imagine if Cox did this and people missed all those ABC network shows! Not to mention all the local advertising dollars that go into the commercials. Nebraska Furniture Mart, the auto dealers, etc. would all have invested a lot of money into commercials that wouldn't be seen by 70% of the Omaha market! That's pretty powerful.

Cox has about 70% penetration in the Omaha market. So you could say that 70% of the homes that watch KETV are recieving that signal via Cox Cable.

I believe it true Cox has 70% penetration in the Omaha market (Cox's cable available to them). Does anyone know what the percentage of people who subscribe to Cox cable?

Everyone is missing the real point. Cox just like Satelite is a programming service. The difference to get Cox HD all you need is a HD ready set, no tuner, Cox basic and rental of an HD converter.

To get free over the air HD you need an HDTV with a tuner built in, or to purchase an external tuner cost more than Cox.

ajwees41

Maybe Cox should have had the foresight to include a OTA tuner in thier receivers. After the fiasco with KMTV Cox should have known what the future held.

The Husker game looked great OTA on my D* receiver.

Maybe Cox should have had the foresight to include a OTA tuner in thier receivers. After the fiasco with KMTV Cox should have known what the future held.

The Husker game looked great OTA on my D* receiver.


Cox doesn't make the boxes Motorola does. Motorola is not the only box that cox uses they also use Scientific Atlanta.

ajwees41

Motorola made my VOOM box. It is being used for OTA HD from Omaha and Lincoln Stations. My D* box was made by Samsung and is used for OTA stations and east coast HD. If Cox wanted the boxes made with OTA capabilities it would not be a problem.

Motorola made my VOOM box. It is being used for OTA HD from Omaha and Lincoln Stations. My D* box was made by Samsung and is used for OTA stations and east coast HD. If Cox wanted the boxes made with OTA capabilities it would not be a problem.



Yes it would be a problem. Mototorola does not make a Digital cable box with an over the air tuner.


Cable is not like satilite they already provide the basic stations as part of thier basic channel package with satilite you pay $5.00 a month for your locals on satilite.


ajwees41

New to KETV's website today

Cox has been charging you for access to our digital signal (via monthly digital box fees). Cox refuses to compensate us fairly for these channels for which they have been charging you (via monthly digital box fees). Since you already have been charged by Cox (via monthly digital box fees), there is no reason Cox should have to increase your bill in order to compensate us adequately for our digital signal.

I hate to tell KETV since Cox completed thier digital upgrade KETV channel 9 on Cox with a digital box is also now digital.

ajwees41

Yesterday I saw an Ad on News on 1 at a relatives house saying that HDTV Channels like channel 6 are ALWAYS free on Cox.


I called to sign up for the free HD channels that they are advertising.

They said it would cost $15 a Month for them, plus $40 to remove the trap (a set up fee) and if I did not have a QAM compatible TV it would be an other $9.95 a month for the box.

How is this free? Thats $25 a month plus a $40 setup fee.

I took a screen shot of the ad and mailed it with a complaint with the better business Bureau and the state attorney generals office for false advertising.


Does any one know of a good attorney that specializes in Class Action Lawsuits?
I bet we could all get some kind of credit on our bills for the free channels they are advertising and paying for.

We all know that if you buy a car that offers a “FREE” TV with it the TV is not free. Cox did not raise rates when they start putting the HD signals on the cable so there was no additional charge for the signal. I bought a Mits with a QAM tuner plugged in the cable an immediately enjoyed HD without COX doing anything. Let’s put the “is it free” to rest and get KETV-HD back. I plan to inform KETV advertisers that I am seeing less of their ads because of this conflict and everyday that goes by more people are buying HD sets. I hope this helps.

Well said HDlover

ajwees41

Yesterday I saw an Ad on News on 1 at a relatives house saying that HDTV Channels like channel 6 are ALWAYS free on Cox.


I called to sign up for the free HD channels that they are advertising.

They said it would cost $15 a Month for them, plus $40 to remove the trap (a set up fee) and if I did not have a QAM compatible TV it would be an other $9.95 a month for the box.

How is this free? Thats $25 a month plus a $40 setup fee.

I took a screen shot of the ad and mailed it with a complaint with the better business Bureau and the state attorney generals office for false advertising.


Does any one know of a good attorney that specializes in Class Action Lawsuits?
I bet we could all get some kind of credit on our bills for the free channels they are advertising and paying for.

Scott the channels are free over the air.

If you only only subscribe to CHSI, or telephone you will need the filter removed to recieve basic and the HD.

ajwees41

Yesterday I saw an Ad on News on 1 at a relatives house saying that HDTV Channels like channel 6 are ALWAYS free on Cox.


I called to sign up for the free HD channels that they are advertising.

They said it would cost $15 a Month for them, plus $40 to remove the trap (a set up fee) and if I did not have a QAM compatible TV it would be an other $9.95 a month for the box.

How is this free? Thats $25 a month plus a $40 setup fee.

I took a screen shot of the ad and mailed it with a complaint with the better business Bureau and the state attorney generals office for false advertising.


Does any one know of a good attorney that specializes in Class Action Lawsuits?
I bet we could all get some kind of credit on our bills for the free channels they are advertising and paying for.


Seriously... I don't know how many times I have to explain this:

It is implied that the HD channels are free only if you already have cox cable, and the appropriate equipment.

Your logic is based completely on an out of context statement. No lawyer will touch your case with a ten foot poll.

You are FREE to walk away from this thread, provided you don't attempt to sue me because you had to expend energy to read and then walk away from it.

I was checking TitanTV for TV listings for this evening, only to discover this listing for KETV's channel(s):

9pm - Boston Legal: In HD except through Cox Cable

Found that to be interesting.

I was checking TitanTV for TV listings for this evening, only to discover this listing for KETV's channel(s):

9pm - Boston Legal: In HD except through Cox Cable

Found that to be interesting.


Why is that interesting? It's they same why on the tv listings on www.ketv.com.

ajwees41

I know it's the same on the site, I just think it's crazy how far to the extreme they are taking it so as to pollute TV listings with "In HD except through Cox Cable".

I know it's the same on the site, I just think it's crazy how far to the extreme they are taking it so as to pollute TV listings with "In HD except through Cox Cable".


It's the same on the site because KETV listings are powered by TitanTV.

ajwees41

I just got off the phone with Cox asking about a receiver with an OTA tuner built in and they don't have one... I told the guy how they are almost impossible to find in Omaha... he couldn't believe this so he did a search on the internet and found out for himself... the only one I could find is in Lincoln at circuit city for $229. This whole KETV deal is pissing me off more and more everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any suggestions on what to do? I have the Mitsubishi HC3000 HD projector.


Here is what I sent to ABC...
"Please help me ABC! I love watching your shows in HD and am no longer able to since Hearst-Argyle pulled their HD signal from Cox cable. I have a state of the art Home Theater with a Mitsubishi 1080p projector as my video source. As you know projectors don't have digital tuners in them. With ABC pulling HD from me I am forced to wait and rent the DVDs now for LOST, GREYS ANATOMY... I would switch to Directv, but dont have a direct view to the south.PLEASE HELP ME GET MY ABC-HD back! Thanks!"

Piranha


It is not cox you should contact it is KETV.


contact KETV and see what they say. see if they will buy a external tuner for you since they say it is free.

ajwees41

Piranha

Check Ebay for a Samsung SIR-TS160 or SIR-TS360. They seem to be selling for 40 to 60 dollars and will work great for OTA HD.

You do not need a Directv account, sat dish or a sat smart card. All you will need is an antenna.

docmal

I was just joking, now I should file a complaint to the avsforum -moder ator- and file a law suite for your remark :)

I was just trying to prove a point that all the KETV HD stuff is stupid from both sides and that its in the hands of upper management now. There is nothing we can do except wait for management to change again like it did with KMTV 3 when we got there HD back.

A year from now when we have the HD channel back we can all laugh at all my bad spelling.

This is S******'s latest OTA tuner. It has HDMI outputs. The MSRP is $179. I can't find a release date.


OTA HDTV Tuner (http://www.samsung.com/Products/DigitalSetTopBox/HDTVTuners/DTB_H260FXAA.asp)


EdL

Since Cox in Omaha now has a "spare" channel for the foreseeable future, I thought I would drop a note to them asking about the possibility of adding HDNet.

Of course, Cox is going to hesitate to add HDNet because they are a co-owner (along with Comcast and Time-Warner) of the "competing" InHD channels. Still, it's interesting to read between the lines of any responses:

From: Cox eCare Omaha

Date: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:25 PM

To: <>

Subject: Re: Product Sales Question

Size: 3 KB

Dear <>:


Thank you for your inquiry.

Cox is committed to providing the best customer service possible.


Unfortunately, the channel that you requested is not currently available
on our channel line up. We are always evaluating new channels to meet
the needs of our customers and appreciate your suggestion that we carry
this channel. I would be happy to pass your request along for future
consideration.


Thank you for choosing Cox Communications as Your Friend in the Digital
Age!

Renee S.
Cox Omaha E-care Team


As for the Cox/KETV dust-up, it's a classic situation of a new area of human endeavor that hasn't been well papered-over with case law. Since everything is up-for-grabs, each side wants to jockey for position, because whatever position is obtained then becomes precedent for some time to come. KETV better not dig its heels in too long, however. When the mandatory analog cut-off in 2009 rolls around, they may be able to demand "must carry," but with zero payment. They're also not encouraging a good future working relationship for anything that would not be strictly required from Cox by FCC regulations. Even now, they're not so stupid as to withhold their analog signal from cable and suffer the loss of advertising revenue by cutting off about 70% of their audience. They also realize that any withholding of Nebraska games would only send about half of the torches and pitchforks to Cox HQ. The other half would be heading their way.

The previous KMTV deadlock motivated me, when shopping for a TV, to get
one with a built-in, over-the-air, digital tuner. Between that and a "Silver Sensor" indoor antenna properly aimed with the help of the AntennaWeb site, I can now get all local stations, including KETV, and now even KPTM and KXVO, whose digital transmitters came up to full power late this summer. I live about 10 miles south of Omaha, and can see most of the towers above the horizon, so I was fortunate to find a single aiming point halfway between the two groups of TV towers (Gretna and Crown Point) that gave sufficient signal strength to meet the link budget on all channels. So, I'm prepared to ride it out.

docmal

I was just joking, now I should file a complaint to the avsforum -moder ator- and file a law suite for your remark :)

I was just trying to prove a point that all the KETV HD stuff is stupid from both sides and that its in the hands of upper management now. There is nothing we can do except wait for management to change again like it did with KMTV 3 when we got there HD back.

A year from now when we have the HD channel back we can all laugh at all my bad spelling.

Well, if you were joking than I withdraw my lawsuit ;)

Now stop it, this is confusing enough for some people without having to find sarcasm in your written word! :p

Hello, I'm trying to decide if I should buy an OTA tuner to pick up my local channels in hd. Are the OTA channels noticably better than what TW offers? I'm a little disapointed in local hd through TW. THANKS

anyone know why Cox channel 802 in the HD tier has this now. fox sports net alternate b

ajwees41

Maybe that's where the Husker game will be broadcasts on pay-per-view in HiDef?

Maybe that's where the Husker game will be broadcasts on pay-per-view in HiDef?


If it was the HD brodcast you would think it would be set to order it the remote or info to call in and order. another thing 516 is showing off the air even durnng the game on saturday.

ajwees41

Aww, did somebody cut your Cox off....wwwaaaaahhhh.....wwwaaaaahhhhh.....all right I'm donning my fire suit go ahead and flame me. ;)

I bet a 10cent coat hanger soldered to a nickles worth of zip cord speaker wire shoved into the antenna jack of your STB would get KETV-HD just fine depending upon your location....now that's what I call free!

Thank god for free over the air HDTV!

lorena bobbit?

Hello, I'm trying to decide if I should buy an OTA tuner to pick up my local channels in hd. Are the OTA channels noticably better than what TW offers? I'm a little disapointed in local hd through TW. THANKS

You can get more channels over the air. Time Warner is not passing through all of the .2's. I think the OTA quality is better but I put an antenna on my chimney with a 10db plug-in booster inline. You also might need two antennas if you want to get Omaha stations (3,6,7,15,42) and CH8, CH10. I have one yagi pointed northeast and I'm working on a second to point west. I don't need CH8 and CH10 as much but sometimes bad weather interferes with CH3 and CH7 thought it was cool to shift the USC-HUSKERS game into a little 8" box on my screen during the thunderstorm that went through Omaha that night so I had to switch over to cable to get HD on CH8.

I'm not sure which .2's aren't on TW. I think 6.2, 7.2, 15.2 and 42.2 are not passed on. They also do not distribute 12.2 and 12.3 except in analog.

i just turned to cox channel 802 and there is a big windows Blue Screen of Death.

i just turned to cox channel 802 and there is a big windows Blue Screen of Death.


more like a dos prompt.

Heh, is that blue booting error still on there? lol. Silly Cox.

Alrighty, just had my new Sammy S6187 delivered and need a OTA HD antenna ASAP. what are you guys using. I live at 132 and Fort so omaha stations should be no problem but id like to get Lincoln stations also if possible.

The Zenith "silver sensor" seems to be the popular choice. It's a bit directional, though. I had mine for about a week and I dropped it and broke it. It is not very sturdy, but for $20 through Amazon it's a good deal.

Anyone Picking up any Des Moines HDTV channels lately or is that just a summer skip thing?

HUSKERS vs horns in HD according to this: http://www.hdsportsguide.com/

HUSKERS vs horns in HD according to this: http://www.hdsportsguide.com/


also listed on the schedule on www.ketv.com

ajwees41

I could use a little help here. I understand that as of now I can't get the Husker vs. Texas game through my cable box in HD. Is it possible to just get an HD antenna and pick up the game in high def? I live in NW Omaha and was planning on having some people over for the game (since I got my new TV). I don't have time to Ebay anything, so I might just have to see what is at radioshack if the antenna will even work. If anybody can give me a straight answer...it'd be greatly appreciated.

']I could use a little help here. I understand that as of now I can't get the Husker vs. Texas game through my cable box in HD. Is it possible to just get an HD antenna and pick up the game in high def? I live in NW Omaha and was planning on having some people over for the game (since I got my new TV). I don't have time to Ebay anything, so I might just have to see what is at radioshack if the antenna will even work. If anybody can give me a straight answer...it'd be greatly appreciated.


What model of HD do you have? Do you know if it as a built in tuner or not? If it does all you should need is the antenna. If it does not you will also need a external tuner.

ajwees41

What model of HD do you have? Do you know if it as a built in tuner or not? If it does all you should need is the antenna. If it does not you will also need a external tuner.

ajwees41
Doh, sorry. Yea, my TV has a tuner (Sammie - LN-S4051D). I just wasn't sure about the antenna. I picked up an RCA one at BB for 20 bucks. I'm gonna try to test it out later tonight. Hope it works. This is the first time i'm having the fellas over for a game since I got my set. Either way...hope the game goes good. It'd be cool to upset Texas, but I'll be happy as long as we have a strong showing. Less 3 and outs, less dropped passes, no cornerbacks falling over....you know...the usual stuff for this season. I appreciate the help.

Go skers,

Square

noticed something interesting while browsing through tomorrow's football games via cox. looks like they will be broadcasting the chargers/chiefs game on channel 5 (kmtv-sd) and the steelers/falcons on channel 805 (kmtv-hd). i personally really like the idea of replacing non-hd games on the hd channel with a true hd broadcast.

Square

How did that antenna work out for you? Were you able to receive the game free of dropouts from Crowne Point?


Scottchez

No more Des Moines skips lately for me, have to wait for next summer. I keep hoping to pick up Sioux City or Kansas City some summer evening. I may drag our yagi out of the attic next spring and put it up on the peak of the house, that may help skip reception at my location.

John

Okay, short-time reader, first-time poster:

I live "a country mile north" of Omaha, in a lame little town. Over the 2005 summer my family made the leap to technology by purchasing a HDTV (and Satellite, but I digress) and I did my part after doing *very little* research and bought an RCA antenna in late January of 2006 so we could watch the local digital channels, specifically KMTV during "March Madness." In case the url didn't work (EDIT: it didn't), I bought an RCA ANT537...google it

At the time of my purchase, I was told that KPTM had recently gone full power with their signal, and when I connected the antenna I was indeed able to watch the digital signal...however, it disappeared shortly afterwards (cannot be specific as to when, sorry)

I tried to wade through the pages of posts here in this thread and unfortunately came across no solid evidence as to why this would have changed. I did read somewhere that KPTM's digital signal is a weaker one, maybe... I do get 3, 6, and 7's digital channels just fine, so my non-expert opinion would be that it is likely a problem of my distance from the towers. The 3,6,7 towers, according to antennaweb, are 18-ish miles away, whereas the 15,42 tower(s?) is apparently 33-ish miles away

That doesn't exactly explain why I got it earlier in 2006, though. I am confused as hell, and anxiously hope I can get this possibly figured out before the World Series ends (C'mon Cardinals!)

I have many questions, but essentially: Help me!!!, please?

What is the easiest way to rectify this problem? Is there an easy way to check and see if I need a new OTA antenna (I see that a "silver sensor" is a popular antenna mentioned...would this or some other relatively cheap one possibly pick the signal up, and where would I be able to purchase locally)?

I ask you, technological gurus, please help me understand and correct this issue, hopefully as inexpensively as possible. :cool:

Rockchalk, I'd say the antenna you are using is too small and not intended for your application. You are too far from the towers to have a reliable setup with the RCA ant537

I would suggest investing into a larger attic mount or exterior mount of a flat panel or yagi style antenna.

A few I would suggest: (click picture)

http://rsk.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pRS1C-2265531w345.jpg (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088&cp=&origkw=uhf+antenna&kw=uhf+antenna&parentPage=search) Radio Shack 15-2150

http://www.antennacraft.net/_derived/MXU.htm_txt_MXU59.gif (http://www.antennacraft.net/MXU.htm) Antennacraft MXU59

I use both of these from Lincoln with excellent performance. The MXU points towards Omaha and the Rat Shack points towards Beaver Crossing (Ch 10-11)

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

Go to the above address to help you get an idea of which ones to use. Return and let us know what is next.

Channel Master also has a line of UHF antennas, namely the 4228 with excellent performance.

Channel Master 4221 is a good, cheap flat panel antenna that could work as well.

Decent gain and a wide angle of acceptance.

See a pic here - http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4221.jpg

Also under $25 bucks from Warren Elec. Not sure where you can pick it up locally though.

Use the map for proper antenna orientation. Good luck.

I bought the Channel Master 4221 from Midwest Electronics here in town a couple of years ago.
/Anders

Bad news for KETV in HD on Cox. . . Found out more about why KETV Corp is being so money hungry (its the corp office, nothing to do with the local guys here in town, they are not allowed to sign contracts anymore, all must go through there corp offices and signed by an officer of the company).

I found out that both Dishnetwork and Direct TV are both paying each local channel 25 cents per subscriber for there SD feed and an other 25 cents agreed on for the HD channel when its added the first of the year. This is also the average national rate DirectTV and Dish pay in ALL TV markets for each local.

The owners of KETV want the same payment from cable that ALL locals in Omaha get from Direct TV and Dish. The formal owners of KMTV also want the same rate and they still have there channels pulled in other TV markets.

Both Dish and Direct plan to have the HD channels up on the sat the first of the year. They both already have the SD channels. Dishnetwork charges $5.95 a month for locals as they lowered the base package rate and Direct just has it built into the package price so it is more (they equal out about the same).

We are talking 25 cents per subscriber per channel which addds up quickly.

I would expect cable bills to go up $2 again in April as they get ready. Cable cant live with out local channels and if other locals join in there wont be any left on cable.

The law that congress passed now allows all locals to charge cable.

Bad news for KETV in HD on Cox. . . Found out more about why KETV Corp is being so money hungry (its the corp office, nothing to do with the local guys here in town, they cant even sign contracts anymore).

I found out that both Dishnetwork and Direct TV are both paying each local channel 25 cents per subscriber for there SD feed and an other 25 cents agreed on for the HD channel when its added the first of the year. This is also the average national rate DirectTV and Dish pay in ALL TV markets for each local.

The owners of KETV want the same payment from cable that ALL locals in Omaha pay Direct TV and Dish. The formal owners of KMTV also want the same rate and they still have there channels pulled in other TV markets.

Both Dish and Direct plan to have the HD channels up on the sat the first of the year. They both already have the SD channels. Dishnetwork charges $5.95 a month for locals as they lowered the base package rate and Direct just has it built into the package price so it is more (they equal out about the same).

We are talking 25 cents per subscriber per channel which addds up quickly.

I would expect cable bills to go up $2 again in April as they get ready. Cable cant live with out local channels and if other locals join in there wont be any left on cable.

The law that congress passed now allows all locals to charge cable.


Where did you hear this? The locals pay dish that doesn't make sense. why should cable or dish/directv pay for a signal anyone can get free over the air?

ajwees41

Where did you hear this? The locals pay dish that doesn't make sense. why should cable or dish/directv pay for a signal anyone can get free over the air?

ajwees41

Customer pays D* or E* >>> E* or D* pay the local affiliate.

Cable is finding that a free market economy sucks for them.

Why are the local affliates allowed to charge Directv or Dish or cable for a signal they get for free and don't charge the over the air viewers for them?

ajwees41

Does anyone in Omaha use a qam tuner to get their locals in HD? If so, what channel does Fox HD come through on? I can't seem to find it.

I may have to drop Cox, my cable bill went up over $3.00 this past month, and I lost a channel.

I may have to drop Cox, my cable bill went up over $3.00 this past month, and I lost a channel.

Yeah, I'm going to pickup a HD tuner and then drop Cox since I don't hardly watch any of the digital channels and it's not worth the $55/month for only 10 or so HD channels.

If anybody in town has an HD tuner that they would like to sell, please PM me!

I may have to drop Cox, my cable bill went up over $3.00 this past month, and I lost a channel.

You're lucky. Mine went up over $12.00 (including TV, Internet, and phone).

Dvr updates hopefully by mid week according to an email I recieved this morning.

ajwees41

Becuase congress changed the law under SHVA and its renewal a few years ago. They can charge BOTH SAT and Cable now if they want to.

They basicaly sneaked it by and no one read the fine print and complained. The big Media station owners and the networks owners (not the networks directly) are very powerful and donate a lot in elections.

"Why are the local affliates allowed to charge Directv or Dish or cable for a signal they get for free and don't charge the over the air viewers for them?"

Becuase congress changed the law under SHVA and its renewal a few years ago. They can charge BOTH SAT and Cable now if they want to.

They basicaly sneaked it by and no one read the fine print and complained. The big Media station owners and the networks owners (not the networks directly) are very powerful and donate a lot in elections.I don't believe this was "fine print" at all. It was heavily publicized back in the early 90s, when Congress changed cable laws to allow broadcasters to elect "retransmission consent" or "must-carry" status for their stations. At the time, the broadcasters felt -- as many do now -- that they deserve some consideration when cable companies profit from retransmitting their free-to-view, but copyrighted, signals. They felt as if they were at least as valuable as cable stations like TNT that cable systems do pay for. But at the time there was no precedent for it, the cable companies resisted, and the broadcasters sought deals which involved things other than cash. (For those broadcasters who held out for cash, one cable operator had an "FYI" channel at the ready to run in place of their broadcast signals, but they didn't have to use it as I recall.)

DT/HD, on the other hand, is brand new territory -- and expensive territory at that. The stations are spending tens of thousands to upgrade their equipment and run a second UHF transmitter, neither of which will get them any additional ad revenue.

Now I understand Cox's side as well -- they want to keep costs down, yet they still have their fixed costs. They also face growing pressure from Big Media, and lately, from Big Sports, both of which have been spreading their content over more and more channels so they can squeeze more money out of Cox and its subscribers. But I suspect there will be more disputes out there and plenty of blame to go around.

DT/HD, on the other hand, is brand new territory -- and expensive territory at that. The stations are spending tens of thousands to upgrade their equipment and run a second UHF transmitter, neither of which will get them any additional ad revenue.

The HD versions of ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,and CW also run commercials so they should get ad revenue.


ajwees41

DT/HD, on the other hand, is brand new territory -- and expensive territory at that. The stations are spending tens of thousands to upgrade their equipment and run a second UHF transmitter, neither of which will get them any additional ad revenue.

The HD versions of ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,and CW also run commercials so they should get ad revenue.


ajwees41No, the commercials are by and large the same as what the analog is running. There's no extra money coming in there unless they have a multicast which is also running commercials, and that could take some time since multicasting is in its infancy. Plus, last I checked, Nielsen has yet to come up with a way to measure digital viewership, and viewership is how stations set their ad rates.

Square

How did that antenna work out for you? Were you able to receive the game free of dropouts from Crowne Point?

Yea, I didn't get the message about pointing the antenna towards crowne point until after the game. Fortunately, everything looked great. My cheapo RCA antenna was just pointed straight up. The game looked great (except for the clear view of all the fumbles I saw).

I have Cox "service". The HD channels I was receiving via my QAM tuner went out about a week ago. In the past this has been a signal quality issue. However Cox is pushing back on that idea. They want me to contact the TV manufacturer.

Anyone else having issues pulling in HD via QAM?

Does anyone in Omaha use a qam tuner to get their locals in HD? If so, what channel does Fox HD come through on? I can't seem to find it.

107.1

RockChalk

A lot has transpired the last couple of years, and I too have trouble keeping it all straight.

KPTM's tranmission element was at one time located on the side of the tower. Following the tower build out KPTM went to the top of the tower (brand new element, better geographical footprint) and they also increased the power output.

Also if memory serves there was a period of time when KPTM was transmitting on a side channel of KXVO. If your tuner is still expecting to see KPTM as a side channel on the old KXVO that may explain your problem.

Have you removed KPTM completely from your over the air tuners memory and then tried to manually scan it back in? If not give it a shot, the PSIP (don't ask, don't even remember if that's the correct acronym for the digital in band information stream anymore) may have changed and your tuner needs to be re-configured to look for the new information stream.

Let us know how it goes.

Regards, John

Too bad they can't repeal that part of the law now. It'd take alotta work to do it.

sbswrmd

Have Cox service and am still able to get the HD signals using the QAM tuner, other than Fox, which I can't seem to locate.

Square,

Glad to hear that elcheapo antenna is working well for you. I sometimes wonder just how cheap you can go and still get a clear signal night after night.

Because we're in a valley in Papillion, tops of the towers are obscured by the surrounding hilltops, we use a rotor controlled yagi in the attic for all our free over the air 8VSB HDTV reception.

From our location we can pick up CBS, ABC and NBC as well as two NE-PBS and two IPBS digital channels (including all the aformentioned stations sub channels.) Picking up Lincoln locals is usually a pretty easy thing to do and last August we picked up Des Moines (amospheric skip during summer evenings.) Picking up Des Moines was a treat, I had a couple of clear nights of reception, no dropouts for hours on end, just like the channels were local here in town.

Now that you have your free over the air HD couple that with the most channels of HD from Dishnetwork, Monsters-HD is a hoot.

Regards, John

Square,

Glad to hear that elcheapo antenna is working well for you. I sometimes wonder just how cheap you can go and still get a clear signal night after night.


About a month ago, my neighbor stepped into HDTV with the new SXRD 50" Sony. Of course I had to be there helping him unbox and assemble the stand. :) It was like Christmas.

Anyway, he didn't have any antenna of any kind, so... no HD signals to watch. I ran home and grabbed about 6' of speaker wire, split the end about 15" or so and made a loop with it. We taped that to the wall and got all the local Lincoln DTV signals! I've been telling him we should put up a real antenna in the attic, but he's content with the super "el-cheapo" for now. Who needs to pay anything for HD? :D

Bingo, I believe you've won the coveted elcheapo viewer of the month award for that moment of ingenuity. I don't know how you can get any cheaper than that. What gauge wire were you using, the cheap 18 gauge lamp cord or some monster cable? :D

That's great!

Cox dvr's are supposed to be updated this week to Passport Echo version 2.7.

Itv application by December 1st.

ajwees41

Awjees that's great. :p

What will the new drivers do for you?

Awjees that's great. :p

What will the new drivers do for you?


It will hopefully make using the dvr easier.

ajwees41

Did anyone notice that their COX DVR was a bit sluggish last night? I did notice that the second settings menu looked different (it was no longer had the enlarged low rez look) so I figure the 2.7 update was sent. I forgot to check if the OnDemand menu changed (or does that come with the iGuide upgrade later on?)

Did anyone notice that their COX DVR was a bit sluggish last night? I did notice that the second settings menu looked different (it was no longer had the enlarged low rez look) so I figure the 2.7 update was sent. I forgot to check if the OnDemand menu changed (or does that come with the iGuide upgrade later on?)


Omaha got the Passport Echo 2.7 at 2A.M Thrusday. There is no new Ondemand menu. They are launching an application called video mosaic that shows 6 video channels at once. Omaha is supposed to get it by December.

ajwees41

Thank god for no more blocky low res guide. Bout friggin time.

Did anyone notice that their COX DVR was a bit sluggish last night? I did notice that the second settings menu looked different (it was no longer had the enlarged low rez look) so I figure the 2.7 update was sent. I forgot to check if the OnDemand menu changed (or does that come with the iGuide upgrade later on?)
my dvr has been acting very janky since the update. incredibly slow response when i load any menus or guides. it's particularly slow when exiting the recorded shows menu. also, i find it more annoying than helpful that unviewed recorded shows are listed in bold.

definitely not happy with this update.

my dvr has been acting very janky since the update. incredibly slow response when i load any menus or guides. it's particularly slow when exiting the recorded shows menu. also, i find it more annoying than helpful that unviewed recorded shows are listed in bold.

definitely not happy with this update.


Mine has been doing the same.

What model of the 6412 do you have? Or I should say phase 1,2, or 3? I have the phase 3. Have you contacted cox?

ajwees41

hmmm, mine has been working fine. I have the phase 3 as well.

hmmm, mine has been working fine. I have the phase 3 as well.


Where at home when the update was sent? How long did it take to download it? It only took mine 5 Min. If it took your's longer maybe mine and toe jam's have bad software or hardware.

ajwees41

I wasn't around when it updated. I just noticed it had changed, so I have no idea how long it took.

Have you guys tried unplugging it for a min so it can reset? That has fixed mine in the past if it was cranky.

Hey everyone. Just moved here to Omaha and need to get cable/sat and HD. What would you guys recommend? Dish, Directv or cox? Just moved to Bennington and I am ready for some HD.

Wow! , I am in Papillion.

I now get both Lincoln's CBS, My Network TV, and ABC (KOLN and KLKN) HD channels 100% of the time, along with all of Omahas Digital (HD) channels. Thats a lot of locals. A lot more than you can get with Cox Cable in Omaha.

It used to be KLKN came in sometimes, I emailed them complaining and not I get them all the time.

Getting stations from TWO DMAs comes in handy when you dont want to watch KETV becasue of there Cox HD boycott. I now watch KLKN in HD on my Dish HD DVR. They also come in handy when Omaha has a breaking new becuase of a thunder storm and your trying to watch a show.

I use a channel master 7777 amp in the atic with a UHF only ant from Menards. I was using the silver sensor, but this ant does better. It did take me a while to tweak the pointing of it, seems to vary with weather conditions.

When I point this way, I do loose Iowas PBS stations, so I guess you cant have it all.

Anyone getting Soiux Falls or Des Monies or other DMA HD channels from Omaha?

Mine has been doing the same.

What model of the 6412 do you have? Or I should say phase 1,2, or 3? I have the phase 3. Have you contacted cox?

ajwees41
i have a phase 3. if it keeps acting so slow, i might call cox and see if i can't swap it out, which would really be too bad, because this one worked like a dream up until now.

I wasn't around when it updated. I just noticed it had changed, so I have no idea how long it took.

Have you guys tried unplugging it for a min so it can reset? That has fixed mine in the past if it was cranky.
i wonder if a simple refresh signal would help?

I think it might be a software problem. Toejam if you end up calling post what they say.


also what are your total recordings and free space on the hard drive.

ajwees41

Hey everyone. Just moved here to Omaha and need to get cable/sat and HD. What would you guys recommend? Dish, Directv or cox? Just moved to Bennington and I am ready for some HD.

I've got DirecTV and it works just fine for me out here in west Omaha. Cox seems to have a load of detractors, but I'm sure their supporters (and probably some employees :rolleyes: ) will join the discussion.

Hey everyone. Just moved here to Omaha and need to get cable/sat and HD. What would you guys recommend? Dish, Directv or cox? Just moved to Bennington and I am ready for some HD.


Depends on what you want. Cox can provide HD locals except for KETV(ABC). They also can provide Phone and Internet services.

ajwees41

Dish has Tripple the HD channels but it does cost more than Direct TV and Cox when comparing HD. Comparing non HD and just SD all Three are priced about the same.

DIsh has the Home Media Center type solution DVRs as one DVR can handle Two Room and you share the hard drive so you can watch a reconding in one room or the other (it has 2 tuners for the SD DVR and 3rd Tuner in the HD DVR for OTA HD).

Depends on what kind of channels and DVR you want. I would compare all 3 for channels, packages, and DVR functions.

Today is the day I'm returning the digital box after 4+ years. Why u ask? :)

#1 - SERVICE (the Cox tech was out and after poking around, blamed my QAM tv for the problem not being able to receive the "free" HD channels. I told him in the past it has always boiled down to being a signal-level issue. <he scoffed> He said contact the tv manufacturer. He couldn't run out of my house fast enuf. He had "other" appointments albeit he did say he'd follow up w/ me. YA RIGHT! Haven't heard from him since. Then when I called COX the next day I got some smart guy on the phone who when I told him I had a QAM tv said, "great...one of these things!". :eek: I could almost see his eyes roll as he said it. Ironically this a.m. after being w/o HD service I ran the CHANNEL SEARCH again and voila....the HD channels are back and it wasn't my tv !! Imagine that. )

#2 - COST (this one is self explanatory)

Keeping extended basic for now, however am considering Dish or something similiar. Not interested in antennas like u'all.

I can't remember from prior posts.....can Cox customers still receive HD channels w/o the digital service?

Today is the day I'm returning the digital box after 4+ years. Why u ask? :)

#1 - SERVICE (the Cox tech was out and after poking around, blamed my QAM tv for the problem not being able to receive the "free" HD channels. I told him in the past it has always boiled down to being a signal-level issue. <he scoffed> He said contact the tv manufacturer. He couldn't run out of my house fast enuf. He had "other" appointments albeit he did say he'd follow up w/ me. YA RIGHT! Haven't heard from him since. Then when I called COX the next day I got some smart guy on the phone who when I told him I had a QAM tv said, "great...one of these things!". :eek: I could almost see his eyes roll as he said it. Ironically this a.m. after being w/o HD service I ran the CHANNEL SEARCH again and voila....the HD channels are back and it wasn't my tv !! Imagine that. )

#2 - COST (this one is self explanatory)

Keeping extended basic for now, however am considering Dish or something similiar. Not interested in antennas like u'all.

I can't remember from prior posts.....can Cox customers still receive HD channels w/o the digital service?

You should recieve the HD brodcast channels except for ABC with basic cable. ESPNHD and the rest require a digital subscription and the rental of either a HD box or cable card.

ajwees41

Depends on what you want. Cox can provide HD locals except for KETV(ABC). They also can provide Phone and Internet services.

ajwees41

I will need internet but not a phone. I will say that I am leaning towards Dish right now but I am curious how bad the "signal loss" factor is during storms and so forth? Also is COX Cable internet alot faster than Qwest DSL?

I will need internet but not a phone. I will say that I am leaning towards Dish right now but I am curious how bad the "signal loss" factor is during storms and so forth? Also is COX Cable internet alot faster than Qwest DSL?


Qwest is Up to 1.5 Mbps download/
Up to 896 Kbps upload

Cox is 7Mbps down and 512 Kbps up.

How much are you looking to spend?

How many tv's do you want hooked up?

ajwees41

Even though this isn't digital TV related, I thought I'd let you know about my internet. I have COX, and received an email about their faster speeds. I had a Surfboard 3100 which wasn't on the supported list. It's an old DOCSIS 1.1 modem. I went out to MegaMart and bought a new D-Link DCM-202 for $66 with a $20 mail-in rebate (buy before the 31st!), and hooked it up. BOOM baby. It is DEFINITELY faster. It uses DOCSIS 2.0. I did a cable modem speed test (google for free test sites) before I replaced it and again afterwards and the speed was definitely faster.

Might be worth looking into!

Now...back to the regularly-scheduled discussions.

PS. I do not work for COX or D-Link and have DirecTV, not COX TV.

Even though this isn't digital TV related, I thought I'd let you know about my internet. I have COX, and received an email about their faster speeds. I had a Surfboard 3100 which wasn't on the supported list. It's an old DOCSIS 1.1 modem. I went out to MegaMart and bought a new D-Link DCM-202 for $66 with a $20 mail-in rebate (buy before the 31st!), and hooked it up. BOOM baby. It is DEFINITELY faster. It uses DOCSIS 2.0. I did a cable modem speed test (google for free test sites) before I replaced it and again afterwards and the speed was definitely faster.

Might be worth looking into!

Now...back to the regularly-scheduled discussions.

PS. I do not work for COX or D-Link and have DirecTV, not COX TV.


Mroot what speeds do you get? I have the same modem as you and it's only Docsis 1.1 upgradeable to 2.0.

I get about 7.5 down and 5.5 up.

ajwees41

Qwest is Up to 1.5 Mbps download/
Up to 896 Kbps upload

Cox is 7Mbps down and 512 Kbps up.

How much are you looking to spend?

How many tv's do you want hooked up?

ajwees41

Is there a big difference in price between the two? I would prefer to go with the least expensive route but I do play Xbox live occasionally. I will have 2 possibly 3 HD sets hooked up and 1 or 2 SD.

Here's what I got wirelessly through my router to my laptop:

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 5910 Kbps about 5.91 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB)
Download Speed is:: 721 kB/s
Upload Connection is:: 565 Kbps about 0.6 Mbps (tested with 1013 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 69 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2006/10/28 - 6:19pm
D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-NCFVMGJ1K
U-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-T2RXFCGJ3
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 [!]

I was getting about 3.9 Mbps before.

You're getting 5.5 up? 5.5 what? Generally, upload speed is a fraction of the download speed, since most people don't do massive uploading.

Mike

Here's what I got wirelessly through my router to my laptop:

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 5910 Kbps about 5.91 Mbps (tested with 5983 kB)
Download Speed is:: 721 kB/s
Upload Connection is:: 565 Kbps about 0.6 Mbps (tested with 1013 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 69 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2006/10/28 - 6:19pm
D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-NCFVMGJ1K
U-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-T2RXFCGJ3
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 [!]

I was getting about 3.9 Mbps before.

You're getting 5.5 up? 5.5 what? Generally, upload speed is a fraction of the download speed, since most people don't do massive uploading.

Mike
Wirelessly will always be slower than wired. I meant 540-550 Kbps up. 7.5 Mbps down.

Have reran tweak settings. What operating system?

ajwees41

Yeah, I need to rerun the test through my main computer to see how it compares. Still, I thought 5.9 is pretty good through the wireless.

Mac OSX 10.4.8

Yeah, I need to rerun the test through my main computer to see how it compares. Still, I thought 5.9 is pretty good through the wireless.

Mac OSX 10.4.8


Yeah that's what I get on my wirelss also.

ajwees41

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::
Download Connection is:: 35025 Kbps about 35.03 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB)
Download Speed is:: 4276 kB/s
Upload Connection is:: 576 Kbps about 0.6 Mbps (tested with 1013 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 70 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2006/10/30 - 5:30pm
D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-SEILC6D1P
U-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-R1UOBKH90
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0 [!]

I had never seen that site before, so i tried it out. This is wireless with XP.

Good lord, those arre huge numbers!!

Has anyone experienced terrible dropouts with KMTV-DT today? Their signal has gone down the toilet here.

Mike

Here is my test from my main computer right off the cable modem:

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::

Download Connection is:: 7848 Kbps about 7.85 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB)
Download Speed is:: 958 kB/s
Upload Connection is:: 520 Kbps about 0.5 Mbps (tested with 1496 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 63 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2006/10/30 - 6:43pm
D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-8ZPOHJ751
U-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-A2K6YH7JF
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/418.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/419.3 [!]

This is right in line with what Cox advertises they are capable of.

Mike

OK, while we're off-topic talking about Cox HSI...

:::.. testmy.net test results ..:::
Download Connection is:: 7435 Kbps about 7.44 Mbps (tested with 12160 kB)
Download Speed is:: 908 kB/s
Upload Connection is:: 1131 Kbps about 1.1 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)
Upload Speed is:: 138 kB/s
Tested From:: http://testmy.net (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2006/10/30 - 6:52pm
D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-7ZH5P2B9I
U-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-2B9ASDIRY
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari/420) OmniWeb/v607.4 [!]

I'm on wireless (G), Mac OS X 10.4.8, and in Gretna. I'm only paying for 7 Mbps down/512 Kbps up but it appears I'm getting faster speeds, and testing on other sites would indicate this is the case. Prior to the upgrade I got about 3.2 Mbps down and about 400 Kbps up.

Still, tons of dropout on KMTV-DT (45 digital). Anyone else here? Their signal strength is all over the place on my HD10-250.

M

Still, tons of dropout on KMTV-DT (45 digital). Anyone else here? Their signal strength is all over the place on my HD10-250.

M

You're not the only one, I've noticed it too.

Matt, had you always gotten a good signal from them previously? Since you're in Lincoln, I wondered. I'm here in Omaha and it's not good, and this is with an outdoor antenna.

mroot - Yeah, I'd always gotten a great signal from KMTV and all the Omaha stations. The past two days I've noticed sporadic drops in signal on KMTV that I haven't had in the past.

I am getting a lot of fluctuation on KMTV-DT. In addition, KETV-DT is almost non-existent. In the last couple weeks, I can't even lock the signal in most of the time. My tuner just displays a gray screen. KMTV is at least there but the signal is up and down and I usually just see "breakup" refreshed every 10 seconds or so.

WOWT-DT, KLKN-DT, and KOLN-DT come in very well; occasionally there's a little breakup on 22 and 31 (a few times per hour on both) but 25 is rock-solid.

Not sure if this indicates a problem on KETV and KMTV, or if it's just a terrain issue. I've always had an easier time getting Lincoln stations here than Omaha stations, even on analog, so I just "pretend" I live in the Lincoln market... For some reason, WOWT's signal has always outperformed the signal of any other Omaha station at this particular location.

WOWT-DT and KETV-DT are rock solid for me, but KMTV-DT is just bouncing everywhere. Still.

AND KXVO-DT and KPTM-DT are EXCELLENT!! Highest signal strength of any of them.

Mike

Yes KMTV is dropping for me also. I wonder what they changed? For a year it was great.

"I am leaning towards Dish right now but I am curious how bad the "signal loss" factor is during storms and so forth?"

I only loose mine when there is bad hail during Sever Thunderstorm warnings, when one should be watching the local channels for storm updates anyway.

On the HD Dish DVRs I just switch to the over the Air local and they of course dont go out as they are not on the SAT. For the room with a SD box, I just change the TV to the local channel as they come in anyway over the air with the rabit ears behind the TV.

Yes KMTV is dropping for me also. I wonder what they changed? For a year it was great.

From Lincoln, I was getting KMTV perfectly fine last night all through NCIS (7-8pm)!

I talked to Mike Gann tonight, Chief Engineer for KMTV, regarding KMTVs signal, and he states there has been no change. I think this started after high winds last week, so I am going to check my antenna when it isn't so windy out. Could be something is amiss there.

Mike

As a test I recorded the same show on KOLN HD and watched it live on KMTV.

KMTV had the problem. Lincolns CBS did not.


How could we all be having the same problem? My ant. is in the atic so it cant be the wind.

Maybe the wind moved KMTVs ant. on top of the tower?

ScottChez. Interesting. What part of Nebraska are you in?

Mike

I could have sworn I watched KMTV in the past couple days without issues. I'll have to check tonight.

Question for those of you on TWC in Lincoln... do they offer any multi-room DVRs?

After checking my antenna, I found the wind had rotated it slightly. I realigned it, and now all my digital signals are back up again.

Mike

New Entertainment on Demand menus.

Cox just upgraded the EOD software. If anyone has seen commericals about EOD the new menus look like that.

ajwees41

KMTV in HD had no drop outs for me Wed or Thursday and I did not change my Atic Antenna.

Thanks KM3 for fixing what ever it was.

I wonder what the Cox replacement will be for INHD2 since it's biting the dust 12/31/06.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/10/29/inhd1-and-inhd2-to-be-rolled-into-one/

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6388356.html?display=Breaking+News

More Bad news for Cox Cable and Local HD on the way? Maybe not . . .

Remember KMTV which was pulled from Cox and then added back after ownership changed?

It turns out they had to sign only a 1 Year contract as per FCC laws as Journal Broadcasting could not take full ownership until it sold several local radio stations.

My inside source says they are in contract talks again and they are mentioning either required Money like KETV or required carriage of a new Digital Sub channel yet to be announce as part of the new contract. My source said up and down there is no way KMTV would get pulled like KETV as they are having nice friendly talks and they all get along good.

Sad thing is thats what some one once said about KETV long ago. I guess talks can break down as upper management changes and conpany profits go up or down.
I doubt it will though as Journal Broadcasting has NO record of ever pulling the plug on any cable station.

I tried to google more info as some just wont believe me and I wanted to double check the new source. Its hard since talks and contracts are all confidental. I did find this one in google.

"Journal Broadcasting closed on its purchase of Emmis Communications’ KMTV last December. Journal operates the CBS affiliate but won’t take full ownership until it sheds several local radio stations, in compliance with FCC ownership rules"

I tried to also google other Digital Sub Channel options that are not carried left. Only thing I could find is that Music MTV like Channel or some other variation of a Weather or 24 hour news channel for KMTVs 3.2 digital sub channel. Then I heard about KMTV drop outs the other week and it happened to me also.

I wonder if they were upgrading there equipment then for a Digital Sub channel, hmmmmm. Rumor talk I guess.

Scott I thought you said your source got layed off.

Cox should at least have room for more channels since Digital Simulcasting is done.

ajwees41

Cox should at least have room for more channels since Digital Simulcasting is done.

Is it truly done? I thought Cox is at something like step 2 of 4. They've moved all the digital boxes to pure digital. But aren't there still both digital and analog signals farther down the line than they plan for them to ultimately be, when they will free up bandwidth and be able to add a number of HD channels? I thought that was months out yet.

Hope you're right! :rolleyes:

Is it truly done? I thought Cox is at something like step 2 of 4. They've moved all the digital boxes to pure digital. But aren't there still both digital and analog signals farther down the line than they plan for them to ultimately be, when they will free up bandwidth and be able to add a number of HD channels? I thought that was months out yet.

Hope you're right! :rolleyes:


Yes they are with ADS. It wasn't that Cox was out space to add Weather Now KETV never offered them. The subchannels are non hd, so they should be able to add it.
ajwees41

Sorry, it looks like I asked one question but you answered another. I'm not interested in getting into the discussion about Weather Now. I just understood that the simulcast was in process of being converted so that the system could open up more space. I do understand that there is analog and digital simulcasting going on now, but that's not the entire project, just the initial part. Sorry for any confusion.

Sorry, it looks like I asked one question but you answered another. I'm not interested in getting into the discussion about Weather Now. I just understood that the simulcast was in process of being converted so that the system could open up more space. I do understand that there is analog and digital simulcasting going on now, but that's not the entire project, just the initial part. Sorry for any confusion.

What exactly is your question. Yes Cox Omaha is done with ADS. Cox has room to add KMTV's sub channel.
Unless they want money and are not even offering Cox the subchannel we could loose CBSHD again just like ABCHD.

ajwees41

New Source,
thats why I was trying to cross check things in google.
Not sure how good this source is.

I guess we will see if things come true.
The Music Sub channel is up for grabs and KMTV Digital channel was acting up. Maybe we will at lease see a new sub channel soon.
Hopefully no one looses an other HD channel.


COX DVR UPGRADES-
I have heard from two others that since the got the updates there DVR reboots, crashes and misses recordings about ever other day. They both have Phase III boxes. Anyone else having problems. They are both taking there boxes back in to exchange them.

Scott see if you can find out when Omaha wil switch to the Iguide.


I haven't had any reboots except for when checking the hidden menus sometimes it reboots and sometimes it doesn't. If they find out anything please post.



ajwees41

I have a Dish 622 DVR. On the digital OTA channels that had a separate sub channel, I had never seen program guide data until recently. Channel 6's subchannel now has that data. I sure wish KOLN and all the other stations would do the same, especially since they may have a My Network affiliation.

(FYI, I live in Kearney but have picked up Ch 6's signal during some good skip conditions and have retained them in my lineup, even though I don't pick them up that often.)

I was enjoying "House" last night -- momentarily getting away from the election stuff -- until KPTM turned off the HD right in the middle of the program, turned on the election results at the bottom of the screen, and worst of all, the audio went in the toilet from then on.

I wonder who will be the first station around here to go full, local HD, so that this sort of thing doesn't have to happen? Likely not KPTM.

Dishnetwork is working on adding Guide Data for ALL sub channel.

According to the DBS T and Sat G uplink reports they recently also added Nebraskas PBS NET 1, 2, 3, and 5 but it is either not working becuase the name is NET 1 2 3 and 5 and not the call letter OR its is not turned on for the public yet.

I would email dish asking that they turn on more of our channels. They do not seem to be in a hurry and often they will email you back saying its not supported (when we know they are adding guide data for sub channels all over the country every week).

Dishnetwork is working on adding Guide Data for ALL sub channel.

According to the DBS T and Sat G uplink reports they recently also added Nebraskas PBS NET 1, 2, 3, and 5 but it is either not working becuase the name is NET 1 2 3 and 5 and not the call letter OR its is not turned on for the public yet.

I would email dish asking that they turn on more of our channels. They do not seem to be in a hurry and often they will email you back saying its not supported (when we know they are adding guide data for sub channels all over the country every week).

Some great news...thanks Scott.

KHAS-TV mgt in respone to my email yesterday says this about their digital signal:
"Our digital transmitter will be back on the air Thursday November 9th."

Yes KMTV is dropping for me also. I wonder what they changed? For a year it was great.

Just to put my $0.02 in on this. I've seen the drop-outs here in Lincoln. Is anyone having trouble in the Omaha area? I seem to remember them starting about when KXVO went full HD digital. I wonder if the KXVO/KPTM tower between Omaha and Lincoln is generating some kind of interference. Just a theory.

When KMTV is working, I get great signal. When it is dropping out it acts like skip interference. (Kinda like when I'm getting a weak signal from Iowa Public TV in Council Bluffs or Red Oak.)

Too bad CBS doesn't run more football in HD. I'm much more likely to watch FOX or NBC. Still missing Monday Night Football in HD on ABC as well. :(

Well, KPTM is on 43 and KMTV is on 45 -- though I'm not sure if digital TV has the same degree of channel bleed/interference as analog. I actually thought digital TV would be free from that... not like I'm an expert on it. KMTV and KETV both drop out so bad here in Gretna that I just watch the Lincoln equivalents.

Big News

Omaha local channels are now 5c protected.

firewire capture does not work.


According to the tivo forums

CBS Broadcast Flag

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This is from an e-mail that CBS sent to Affiliates:

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Broadcast Flag

In an effort to avoid the problems the music industry has had with proliferation of illegal copies of their content on the Internet, we have been taking a proactive role to mark our High Definition content with a Flag. The purpose of the “Broadcast Flag” is to send a signal to the consumer’s equipment that indicates “this content shall not be redistributed on the Internet”. The appearance of the Viidoo web site that allows anyone with a video capture / tuner card in their PC to post a TV program on the internet, underscores the importance of Broadcast Flag. Many of our content partners and providers are requiring that we agree in our program contracts to encode the Broadcast Flag on the studio master tape and pass the signal all the way through the broadcast chain ( i.e., network Broadcast Center, satellite, affiliate and to the home).
ajwees41

Anyone getting audio dropouts on KETV DT (OTA) during the game? I'm getting split second drops of audio every 15-30 seconds.

Anyone getting audio dropouts on KETV DT (OTA) during the game? I'm getting split second drops of audio every 15-30 seconds.


It's also breaking up on the cox dvr also must be a abc problem.

ajwees41

by Dec 1.

ESPN 2 HD, A&E HD

ESPNU on digital cable

by Dec 1.

ESPN 2 HD, A&E HD

ESPNU on digital cable


Where did the info come from? Any idea what channel numbers?

ajwees41

Where did the info come from? Any idea what channel numbers?

ajwees41

Great news on Espn 2 hd and Espnu.

Man I wish I could get Cox in Lincoln. Time Warner stinks, no espn2 hd, no nfl network and the highest priced and slowest broadband internet around. I just love giving the my money. :(

I had a cox tech over changing the cable on the pole last week and he said the same thing, about those two channels being added in Dec. I'm sure it's for real.

KHAS DT is finally back on the air at a whopping 1.35 kW but it's reaching Kearney if you're set up properly to receive it. (40 miles away) Still SD and 2 channel audio. Consider yourself lucky in Lincoln and Omaha where you get the networks in HD OTA. We're only getting CBS & PBS in HD.

Cox signed on with the nfl network to carry the nfl games starting with the Thanksgiving brodcast between denver and kc.

ajwees41

Cox signed on with the nfl network to carry the nfl games starting with the Thanksgiving brodcast between denver and kc.

ajwees41
what channel? Is it pay per view or something?

Cox has had NFL Network for the last few years so this isn't really big news. What's news is that Cox is getting ESPN-2 HD and ESPNU at the end of the month. Also I think there gonna put ESPNU in the slot where ABC-HD would be at on the cable lineup as a way to stick it to KETV and Hearst.

Cox has had NFL Network for the last few years so this isn't really big news. What's news is that Cox is getting ESPN-2 HD and ESPNU at the end of the month. Also I think there gonna put ESPNU in the slot where ABC-HD would be at on the cable lineup as a way to stick it to KETV and Hearst.


They will not put ESPNU in the HD tier. Do you mean ESPN2HD?


I bet they will rearange the HD channels and take off INHD2 and move INHD 1 down one slot so ESPN2HD is near ESPNHD.



The nfl network required cable companies to sign up for the nfl package. I was just pointing out that cox has signed a deal.


http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6390422.html?display=Search+Results&text=cox

ajwees41

KETV-DT Saturday during the game I heard no audio problems on my system, no problems during the K-State/Texas fiasco either and I was watching upstairs on on the small screen via our weaker omni-directional attic antenna.



*************WEDNESDAY, 15 NOVEMBER, the first ever live footage from the Space Station on DiscoveryHD*******************

It happens live during the morning some time, don't remember when the actual live footage is aired, but there's a playback of the HD coverage scheduled for 8:00PM CST here in Omaha. You may want to check those times, I'm running on grey matter here.


On a side note: Our Dish Pro hardware showed up today (upgrading my LNBs and Switch.) Anyone have a use for legacy LNBs and a legacy SW64 before they hit EBAY?

Ok I'm officially fed up with TW and their poor hd signal. The last couple of days I have had poor signal quality flash up on my tv. But everytime they come out to check it they say its fine. So my ? is what hd channels if any could I pick up around 7th and superior with an indoor antenna? I live somewhat on a hill but in an apartment complex so an outdoor antenna is out of the ?. Thanks

I live at 27th and Fletcher (so not too far from you) and I point my antenna towards Omaha and Crown Pointe. I get Lincoln's PBS, Omaha's CBS, Fox, NBC, ABC, and CW. I occasionally get signal on the Lincoln ABC and CBS, but since the antenna is pointing away from them it's pretty bad. I use a Silver Sensor antenna.

Thanks Brad, I might give it a try. LATER

From what I understand ESPNU will be Ch. 220, ESPN2HD will be Ch. 809 and A&E HD on Ch. 807

From what I understand ESPNU will be Ch. 220, ESPN2HD will be Ch. 809 and A&E HD on Ch. 807


Are you sure? Why would they stick ESPN2HD in KETVHD's spot?

I think they will do it this way. ESPNU 224 move NBA.tv to a different channel.

A&EHD 8218 and ESPN2HD on 822 with INHD moving to 823 since INHD2 is going away.

ajwees41

I am hearing its by Jan 1st, I wonder if its a phased roll out for Douglas and Sarpy areas and thats why the different dates.

ESPN 2 HD, A&E HD

ESPNU on digital cable

Turns out they do not expect KETV to be back on HD for a very very long time. Even if it does come back they plan to have more bandwidth for KETV by March as they do more of there upgrade.

The HD Space for A&E is from freeing up some the 1-70 channels that were not in use due to the Digital Simulcast upgrade.

So I guess we owe a thanks to KETV for taking off there HD, now we get ESPN-2 and A&E HD both and if you have an Over the Air turner you still get KETV in HD anyway.

I am hearing its by Jan 1st, I wonder if its a phased roll out for Douglas and Sarpy areas and thats why the different dates.

ESPN 2 HD, A&E HD

ESPNU on digital cable

Turns out they do not expect KETV to be back on HD for a very very long time. Even if it does come back they plan to have more bandwidth for KETV by March as they do more of there upgrade.

The HD Space for A&E is from freeing up some the 1-70 channels that were not in use due to the Digital Simulcast upgrade.

So I guess we owe a thanks to KETV for taking off there HD, now we get ESPN-2 and A&E HD both and if you have an Over the Air turner you still get KETV in HD anyway.


Scott are you hearing anything on the channel numbers of the new chanels?


ajwees41

Scott are you hearing anything on the channel numbers of the new chanels?


ajwees41

ESPN U on Channel 220
ESPN 2 HD on Channel 809
A&E HD on Channel 807

These channels are supposed to launch November 30th.

ESPN U on Channel 220
ESPN 2 HD on Channel 809
A&E HD on Channel 807

These channels are supposed to launch November 30th.


Who is the source of info? Tech or phone/email support?

ajwees41

Who is the source of info? Tech or phone/email support?

ajwees41

Check your email.

My source said the channel numbers wont be decided for sure until Monday when the new channel guides get sent to press for printing for the Jan 1 release date of the channels for all Omaha areas. There are some still holding out hope for channel 7 in HD and they don't want to use there slot.

My source said the channel numbers wont be decided for sure until Monday when the new channel guides get sent to press for printing for the Jan 1 release date of the channels for all Omaha areas. There are some still holding out hope for channel 7 in HD and they don't want to use there slot.

Hopefully its Dec 1st instead of Jan 1st? I noticed some Cox locations are getting Espn 2hd now, also why A&E Hd? I would rather have National geographic hd, Food Network hd or MHd before A&E hd. Also any word if Cox is going to carry the Hd feed of the NFL network games ?

DiscoveryHD has live Space Station coverage today, first time in history......

Dishnetwork is working on adding Guide Data for ALL sub channel.

According to the DBS T and Sat G uplink reports they recently also added Nebraskas PBS NET 1, 2, 3, and 5 but it is either not working becuase the name is NET 1 2 3 and 5 and not the call letter OR its is not turned on for the public yet.

I would email dish asking that they turn on more of our channels. They do not seem to be in a hurry and often they will email you back saying its not supported (when we know they are adding guide data for sub channels all over the country every week).


Scott or anybody here that has a Dish 622 in the Lincoln/Tri-Cities market:

Has anybody figured out a way to get the guide data from KOLN-DT to transfer over to KGIN-DT's guide data and not get the dreaded "Digital Service" in the program guide?

I used to think the 622 pulled the program guide info by channel number but I now think otherwise. When KHAS-DT returned to the air, it popped in the guide under its UHF/digital channel 21 instead of 5. It still recognized that as KHAS and transferred the guide info to it under Ch 21. With that in mind, I thought I would rename KGIN-DT to KOLN and that would get the guide data transferred over. It still didn't work.

I also tried renaming my Ch 29 KHNE-DT also known as NET-1 to KUON and that doesn't get the guide data transferred either.

Does anybody here have any suggestions?

Thanks

Are those with local DTV guide data on the E* 622 subscribing to the local package? I have never had the local guide data, but I have never subscribed to the locals either.

Are those with local DTV guide data on the E* 622 subscribing to the local package? I have never had the local guide data, but I have never subscribed to the locals either.

Yes...you have to subscribe to the locals to get the guide data. Or, I'm paying $5/month un-necessarily. :D

Anyone want to guess when they will update the channel lineup on www.cox.com/omaha with the new channels. and when we will get Iguide and the Tivo option for the dvr's?

ajwees41

Who is the source of info? Tech or phone/email support?

ajwees41

when I called in today they said ESPNU was going to be on 220
ESPN2 HD was on 809 and A&E on 807 starting November 30th---from one of their CSR.

when I called in today they said ESPNU was going to be on 220
ESPN2 HD was on 809 and A&E on 807 starting November 30th---from one of their CSR.


Already been posted.

ajwees41

"Has anybody figured out a way to get the guide data from KOLN-DT to transfer over to KGIN-DT's guide data and not get the dreaded "Digital Service" in the program guide?"

Dish already uplinked the guide data for channel 26.1 2 3 and 5 but something is wrong and they are working on it.

As for GrandIsland which is the same as KOLN they have not uplink the guide data. I would keep emailing them.

They way it works for Digital sub channels on dish is they put a channel up in the 14,000 range that is hidden and has no video. They then map it to the real channel and Guide data then shows up.

Dish as some work to do still missing 10.2 42.2 15.2 ect


6.2 is working. If you dont see guide data delete the channel, rescan, reboot, then do a check switch to force the guide data to download.

Is anyone else with a dvr from cox unable to copy recorded content over firewire from the local channels (5,8,9,10)?



ajwees41

Is anyone else with a dvr from cox unable to copy recorded content over firewire from the local channels (5,8,9,10)?



ajwees41

I ran a few quick captures across a few channels (Cartoon Network, IPBS, KMTV & KMTVHD). KMTV didn't work (none of my media players would play the file). KMTVHD did work though. I will try the other locals tomorrow but I'll bet that they don't work.

None of the nonHD locals work to capture, but the Hd versions do. Now if KETV would stop being babies and get thier hd signal back on cox everything would be O.K.

ajwees41

I wish COX would stop being greedy and cough up something for the locals they are charging the customers for. The masses can't handle paying and not receiving.

I wish COX would stop being greedy and cough up something for the locals they are charging the customers for. The masses can't handle paying and not receiving.


Cox is not even in your area, so why are you complaining?

It's the brodcast networks not Cox doing it anyway.

ajwees41

I'm wondering if Cox in Omaha is going to carry the Hd version of the NFL network game between the Chiefs vs Broncos ? Many other Cox cities are showing the Hd version on a special events hd channel or showing the game on Inhd 1 or Inhd 2, I betting Cox in Omaha will not show the game in Hd, Cox in Omaha is really behind the curve as many Cox cites already have Espn2hd and of course we are still waiting.

Cox will have ESPN2HD and A&EHD and ESPNU on 11/30/06.

I just checked the guide and the only KC/Denver game is on the NFL network (223)

ajwees41

Great game yesterday on KETV-DT! :p

For some reason, I am not able to get my Mits big screen to pull in ABC HD OTA. I was able to before they were dropped from Cox cable, but now that they have been dropped the TV can't seem to find the signal. (of course I don't really know when I lost the signal since I always used Cox to watch ABC) I have scanned channels several times trying to pull it in, but no luck. I have an antenna in my attic and get all the other OTA channels with no problem. I live on 120th and military with a clear line of sight view of the antennas on 72nd street from my deck. Does anyone know the exact channel to input to see if I can manually tune it in? Thanks in advance.

... Does anyone know the exact channel to input to see if I can manually tune it in?

7-1

KETV is carried on channel 20 and remaps to 7-01 and 7-02. Manually tune to ch. 20.

Anyone else getting frequent dropouts on CBS (10.1) during the Georgia Tech-Georgia game? Normally 10.1 is rock solid and reliable but today it seems to be plagued with technical problems. They've lost the network feed a couple times and have had sound and video dropouts. The signal drops from about 70% strength (100% signal quality) down to nothing and then back in a second or two.

Anyone else getting frequent dropouts on CBS (10.1) during the Georgia Tech-Georgia game? Normally 10.1 is rock solid and reliable but today it seems to be plagued with technical problems. They've lost the network feed a couple times and have had sound and video dropouts. The signal drops from about 70% strength (100% signal quality) down to nothing and then back in a second or two.


Can't help you on this question.

Maybe, though, someone here can answer this. Does anybody here have a Dish 622 DVR ? Whenever I record something from KOLN's sister station KGIN, I always experience 1-2 second "skip aheads" during playback. I'll be watching the program and then it skips ahead a second or two. If I rewind it and watch the same part again, it will play thru just fine. I only experience this with KGIN-DT recordings, whether it's in HD or SD. No other OTA recordings give me this problem....not Nebr Educational, KHGI-DT in SD, KHAS-DT in SD, or KTVG-DT in SD. Is anybody here having that problem?

Can't help you on this question.

Maybe, though, someone here can answer this. Does anybody here have a Dish 622 DVR ? Whenever I record something from KOLN's sister station KGIN, I always experience 1-2 second "skip aheads" during playback. I'll be watching the program and then it skips ahead a second or two. If I rewind it and watch the same part again, it will play thru just fine. I only experience this with KGIN-DT recordings, whether it's in HD or SD. No other OTA recordings give me this problem....not Nebr Educational, KHGI-DT in SD, KHAS-DT in SD, or KTVG-DT in SD. Is anybody here having that problem?

I have never seen this on my 622. I cannot get KGIN, though.

I have never seen this on my 622. I cannot get KGIN, though.


G, have you experienced that problem with playback of KOLN-DT recordings? I may have to call Dish and get a replacement unit.